India: And not to consider instead of the Russian "Kalashnikov" Indonesian Pindad SS2

Indian partners continue to search for cooperation options for the creation of weapons and military equipment for the needs of the armed forces. On the eve of the Indian press reported (material on "BO") that New Delhi allegedly decides to refuse the offer of the Kalashnikov Concern on the acquisition of automatic rifles and the construction of factories for the production of small weapons under license of the Russian concern. Argument: "not suitable caliber."

Meanwhile, information appeared in the Indian media about New Delhi’s readiness to expand its military-technical partnership in the Asian region. For example, the Indian Bukhanvala Industries (Bhukhanvala Industries) is going to implement a joint project with the Indonesian state-owned company PT Pindad in the defense sector. Also with PT Pindad deepens Indian partnership TATA.

PT Pindad specializes in creating weapons for the needs of Indonesian security forces. In particular, the company created the Pindad SS2 (caliber 5,56 mm), which we have now decided to pay attention to in India. India also expressed interest in the possibility of cooperation with the same company for the production of sniper rifles SPR-4.

For your information: Pindad SS2 - automatic small arms, which has been in service with the army of Indonesia since 2006 year. The mass of the base case is 3,4 kg, full length 990 mm, cartridge 5,56x45 mm NATO. The rate of fire is about 700 shots per minute. Store capacity - 30 cartridges.

The sniper rifle SPR-4 from the Indonesian manufacturer has a caliber .338 Lapua Magnum. The effective firing range - 1500 m, maximum - more than 2 km. This is significantly higher than that of the sniper rifles of earlier models from the same line (SPR-1, SPR-2).

In addition to small arms, the Indonesian company is ready to offer India cooperation in the development of a ballistic protection system for armored vehicles. In his country, Pindad SS2 installs protection systems developed by it, for example, on 4x4 Komodo armored vehicles, and also 6x6 Anoa.

The main question: preliminary agreements have been reached - after what time will India start purchasing the same Pindad SS2 from Indonesia and will it start at all?

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

I can only repeat - gypsies are gypsies ... They will bargain to the last, but they will buy it - not that ... Because it’s cheaper ... Kalashnikov is RELIABILITY!

[dorz]

Indians will buy wherever you can get more, tth and prices are secondary.

[Teberii]

The submachine gun is a redesigned M-16 rifle in appearance. Most likely India wants to get American technology, but from a different entrance.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Teberii

Machine in appearance recycled rifle M-16.

Pindad SS2 is a licensed copy of the Belgian FN FNC. And the Belgians, in turn, licked the gas engine and bolt group in AK. And that was back in 1978. So the extremely dubious choice of tail-tail dancers.

[thrush]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: Teberii

Machine in appearance recycled rifle M-16.

Pindad SS2 is a licensed copy of the Belgian FN FNC. And the Belgians, in turn, licked the gas engine and bolt group in AK. And that was back in 1978. So the extremely dubious choice of tail-tail dancers.

the main thing is that all this is at the blah blah level ... the press is trembling and the Indian Defense Ministry is stubbornly silent.

[bouncyhunter]

Let them be silent - they look smarter.

[sabakina]

Pasha! I don’t know why, but for some reason I’m all on the drum. Maybe I'm a drum? But seriously, here they wrote yesterday, they have all the arrows on the aglitsky caliber oriented.

[bouncyhunter]

Glory, salute!

Quote: sabakina

they wrote here yesterday, they have the whole rifle shooting for the Aglitsky caliber.

If so, then what is the problem: there are AK-101 and AK-102 (shortened version) - just in caliber 5,56. This is where tailing and wagging stern take place.

[Pimply]

Quote: sabakina

Pasha, hello! I do not know why, but for some reason it’s all on the drum. Can I drum? But seriously, they wrote here yesterday, they have all the shooting at the aglitsky caliber oriented.

And what is such a unique English caliber, if there are certain NATO standards?

[cost]

India: And not to consider instead of the Russian "Kalashnikov" Indonesian Pindad SS2

Why not? Great choice! What army is such a weapon

[Old anecdote]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Pindad SS2 is a licensed copy of the Belgian FN FNC. And the Belgians, in turn, licked the gas engine and bolt group in AK

Copy of a copy of a cheap and reliable original. But walk in a turban.

[donavi49]

Not. He has nothing to do with Emka. They organized the release with Belgian help, and the main one took the rather popular FN FNC. Indonesia generally has a rather complicated relationship with the United States and pushing the American military-technical cooperation is very difficult.

[jjj]

The longer I live, the more imbued with respect for the wisdom of the imperial / Soviet / Russian persons responsible for armament. They adopt those models that ensure victory.
If you look at the characteristics of domestic weapons, you can find the lag in some indicators. But this is not to be looked at. Here comes the war. Some fighters are killed. They are replaced by new ones all the time. But these new ones do not yet have combat experience. Their first actions are instinctive. And here it turns out that Kalashnikov is fully consistent with actions on a subconscious level. A new fighter with Kalashnikov is more effective than a new fighter with foreign small arms.
It is thought that in the West they played up with professionals who need special small arms. One missile hit - and there is no platoon of special forces. It will have to be replaced by less experienced fighters who have no proven skills. As a result, the side whose fighters use their weapons faster and better wins. And it turns out to be fighters with the Kalashnikovs.
An analogy can be drawn with airplanes, missile systems, tanks.
Special small arms, as international experience shows, are only good for narrow special operations in the hands of piece specialists. And the war has other laws

[Tank hard]

Quote: jjj

The longer I live, the more imbued with respect for the wisdom of the imperial / Soviet / Russian persons responsible for armament. They adopt those models that ensure victory.

Imperial, Soviet, Russian "responsible persons", Alas, do not differ from other "world personalities", they all think in categories past war... IMHO.

[Mih1974]

Well, call "modern warfare" in which your principle would work? Just do not bring Syria here, even their full armament with Kalash would not save them.
And not those who have "easier" small arms for "stupid" recruits will win, and the one who will conquer the sky and will “hammer” from it the rubble of the enemy . Yes, the big losses and the "occupation" of the territories are the work of the "poorly trained Syrians," but forgive the "very cleared" them our very few MTRs and VKS.
The probability of war, wherever your statement matters, is extremely negligible, I would say disparagingly small. The largest and most populous "opponents" acquired nuclear weapons and for them a war in the style of the Second World War is utter stupidity. You think only Putin is “the smartest” with the phrase “why do we need a World without ****” - this phrase (with his country) will suit ALL rulers of countries with nuclear weapons !! And they will use it, at the beginning or at the end of the war, it doesn’t matter, it’s important that “superiority” at the initial stage of the aggressor - it will still result in a nuclear fire and here the quality of the machine guns will no longer matter.

[Mista_dj]

Demagogy. From the beginning to the last point.

[volodimer]

Well, they will get "... but from a different entrance ..." And let them not complain later ...

[RASKAT]

Yes, they’ll buy it anyway. The Indian machine gun is called a surprise in the army because of its unpredictable failures.
Kalashnikovs will not get anywhere, they are regular dances with tambourines. Perhaps vytorguyut partial assembly in their territory.

[Pimply]

Quote: RASKAT

Kalashnikovs will not get anywhere, they are regular dances with tambourines. Perhaps vytorguyut partial assembly in their territory.

Hardly. Alternatives to the sea. In addition, the Indians have very stringent requirements for reinvestment and are interested in new technologies. In particular, in the production of shooters.

[vladfill]

Quite right and surprisingly, with the vast majority of the poor.

[APASUS]

But is it possible for us to bring down the price of Kalashnikov?

[ANCIENT]

So let’s give them a gift for free, and pay extra to take it? ???

[Grandfather Makar]

Quote: ANCIENT

So let’s give them a gift for free, and pay extra to take it? ???

Can they offer one? Beautiful, you can still decorate with flowers ..))))

The parades will look !!!!

[sabakina]

Meehan, the Indians do not believe in the rainbow. they believe in Krishna ... Therefore, they need:

[Laughtermaster]

Indians do not believe in a rainbow.

That is the Arabic version, the Indians need to offer rose gold.

[georgje]

Where is the logic?

[Laughtermaster]

Where is the logic?

AKs were not allowed to compete due to the lack of a metal store. To which representatives of the concern invited the Indians to visit and suggested closer acquaintance with the products.
Metal shop? counterquestion-

Where is the logic?

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Ded-Makar

Can they offer one? Nice

C'mon, Indians bandits with Kalash packs are laid, learn how to fight

[Laughtermaster]

learn how to fight

Here's how he does it?
... how does he catch with a fly his gun, the barrel of which rotates forward? How?

[Vlad.by]

something the bayonet nv phallus is similar. It's funny?

[Laughtermaster]

That is the scabbard, the original design, at the end of the device for cutting barbed wire.

[ANCIENT]

For Indians, you need to create unmatched cartridges in the world - square, of any caliber! How tired they were with their baryzhestvo! Indeed, they themselves do not really know what they want, if only it would be very cheap, almost for nothing!

[volodimer]

Our arms manufacturers spoiled them, when in the 90s, for the sake of keeping the enterprises afloat, they gave them a lot for half the price .. Now is not the time, showered with rafals: and expensive and technology figs! I do not like the Su-57 ... there is a choice, let the F-35 take. Our main thing now is not to merge and do not give for cheap. And after the Syrian demonstration, there will be demand.

[zyzx]

Pakistan will go to war on India, and those in their underpants.

[ANCIENT]

Well yes, and those are Chinese !!! This is a direct betrayal! !!

[donavi49]

With INSAS national machines

[ANCIENT]

Something painfully familiar in the guise of "their" weapons!

[izya top]

Pindad

as the name does not inspire him to take

[ANCIENT]

Izzy gloves must be requested in the package, and a second pair of hands , so that they can take it if they are too lazy to wear gloves!

[Hottabych]

India: But should we consider the Indonesian Pindad SS2 instead of the Russian Kalashnikov?
Russia: We won’t lower the price !!!

[Vard]

After the armchairs on the tanks, I don’t get anything done in India ...

[KVU-NSVD]

How many do not rush from one extreme to another, but without meticulousness and orderliness of mentality all one will return to Kalash ...

[Awaz]

For the full army you can buy anything if there is loot, but God forbid, if suddenly the Indian soldiers have to fight for real, they themselves will come to the Kalash producers)))

[Artmat]

Quote: Teberii

The submachine gun is a redesigned M-16 rifle in appearance. Most likely India wants to get American technology, but from a different entrance.

Through .ope?

[Thunderbolt]

If the Indonesian weapon is superior to the Russian, then take it. If not or the characteristics are approximately similar, then let them compare the cost of transactions and in which package there is more benefit and technology.
But to insult the Indians is unworthy! They are free people and are free to buy from whom they like best. And their way of negotiating, the main thing is that they themselves like it very much. And the rest of the problems --- let foreigners have a headache like India likes.

[Vadim Kurbatov]

Yes, there’s 50 to 50, in fact, a copy of Belgian weapons, and the Belgians slammed something out of Kalash, and if you compare with 74, it exceeds the current in rate of fire, the maximum firing range is 400 meters, the initial bullet speed is lower and the rate of fire is only 50 shots higher

[Thunderbolt]

Well, here ... thanks for the knowledge of the materiel and for bringing it (to the mother) to the staff. There is already something to suggest and put forward. 74 my god and az m, there is an assigned barrel, forever and ever. the impressions are recorded and in my soul there. But I squint at the fact that the enemy’s trunks are not so bad as they are usually stated here. (Interestingly, even one of these critics held on to the forearm of capitalist weapons ..?

[Vadim Kurbatov]

Well, FIG knows, I won’t judge. The only thing I could shoot from was the German G36. There’s nothing to compare him with.

[Lerych]

On the butt of Kalash, make engraving with texts from the Kama Sutra, stylize a horn as an elephant, a shutter in the form of a snake - and the goods will go. The hole in the barrel, which would produce melodies from popular films when fired, the same does not hurt.

[Jerk]

Hindus - partner is VERY unreliable. And on their cunning, they have been burned more than once. For example, how are they doing with the construction of a nuclear power plant? Bush also agreed - and nifiga absolutely not built)))

[Arkady Gaidar]

And why then India does not create its own weapons school, in the sense of modern weapons? If most of the world’s designs do not suit them, why don’t they start to do their “best”? I still think it’s a complete bargain, it’s cheaper to buy, and even with advanced technologies.

[Olegovi4]

more like another stuffing. someone really needs to water manure Indian-Russian cooperation

[serg2108]

no matter how Indians danced, they would return 100% to us (IMHO)

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: serg2108

no matter how Indians danced, they would return 100% to us (IMHO)

That's about the same reasoning about Vietnam. As a result, Vietnam bought a machine factory from Israel.

[A. Privalov]

I wouldn’t make a bad copy of a licensed copy of the Fabrique Nationale de Herstal. This is quite a decent bauble in its class. It is said that in the conditions of the tropics, it showed itself very well.
We look at the incomplete disassembly of this device. You can customize the captions in Russian. Translation, the stump is clear, machine, but everything is clear.

Here is a little more detailed detailing.

It seems to me that the design is a bit complicated. Probably agree with me holding various modifications of AK. However, it is quite possible that the peoples of Asia have their quirks and priorities, and the last word, of course, will remain with the Indian arms purchasers.

[renics]

(will start purchasing the same Pindad SS2 from Indonesia and will it start at all?) I think that they are unlikely to start, from many publications it is clear that Indians are related.

[Ros 56]

Of course, the right decision, and the Indonesians will get Kalashnikov from us and will quietly laugh in the corner looking at the Indians.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ros 56

Of course, the right decision, and the Indonesians will get Kalashnikov from us and will quietly laugh in the corner looking at the Indians.

It is unlikely. Switching to another cartridge is a very expensive undertaking.

[misti1973]

They seem to just mock! This pindad is a copy of FN FNC. Probably only cheaper than the original.

[CAT BAIYUN]

But whether to consider instead of the Russian Kalashnikov the Indonesian Pindad SS2

Yes, you already buy something and do not fool people with a head ...
I understand that the Indonesian version is a fork from AR-ki .. Well then, take it and "enjoy."

[senima56]

These are the next "eastern tricks". Remember how they “pitted brains” with “Gorshkov”? We almost for nothing asked them to pick up the completely (!!!) converted aircraft carrier!

[Zaurbek]

According to the report, India is looking for its next assault rifle chambered for 7,62 x 51 mm. Five countries participate in the competition.

These are the USA, Israel, the Czech Republic, Indonesia and the UAE.

The following types of rifles are considered -

Flavor 7
Ace 52
CM 901
716 SIG
LM308
CZ 807
DA 10
CAR 817