All hope is for Russian clever and beautiful women. Otherwise, Russia will die out!

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The UN forecast regarding the demographic situation in Russia is not something that is not comforting, but truly sad: according to experts of this organization, in the next thirty years, the population of our country can be reduced by ten million people. A similar trend is observed in many countries, one way or another infected by the virus of European culture and tolerance. But still, nowhere except Russia, the figures do not look so frightening and hopeless.





It is gratifying that the Russian authorities do not close their eyes to this problem and even try to play in advance. But it is also obvious that the situation cannot be rectified by small financial injections, which are clearly incomparable with the expenses of a normal family for the maintenance of a child, at least during the preschool period of his life. And it became especially noticeable last year, when we began to fall into the demographic pit of the nineties, and the birth rate fell by 11%, and this despite the fact that since 2009, we have seen growth in this area.

The problems because of which women are not in a hurry to give birth, are more or less known to everyone and hardly need another discussion. Just add to this one figure: women of the main childbearing age become smaller, and by the 2032 year, their number will decrease by about 28%. And that's a lot. And even if we assume that we manage to somehow reach the reproductive ratio 1,7, this will still not be enough for normal reproduction of the population.

Yes, the president and the government pay quite a lot of attention to the demographic issue. At least, on paper it is full of various decrees, resolutions, orders. But, as we can see, the numbers stubbornly point to, to put it mildly, the controversial and questionable measures taken. And if not controversial and doubtful, then at least their insufficiency.

Let's try to think about what measures could serve as an additional incentive for fertility in Russia. Yes, we are not a government, and yet: we are not given to predict ...

First of all, I would like to point out one significant error. Quite often, under our demographic policy, we understand the increase in life expectancy. This is certainly very important in itself, but still allows officials to cheat a little. That way all the costs of increasing the duration and quality of life can be recorded in demographics, and in the end it will be very impressive. And then you can say: look, how much we invest, but they still do not want to give birth. But if we make efforts to save the nation, and not for the sake of beautiful accountability, these things should still be shared.

Separately, I note that I do not mind the growth of the duration and quality of life! I have two hands in favor! And do not hate me in the comments more than I deserve ...

So, what do we have from birth control measures? Maternity capital, the construction of kindergartens and nurseries ... More offhand nothing is remembered. And it is obvious that this is too little. Moreover, economic measures alone cannot do here.

Although the number of abortions in Russia is decreasing, their number (both absolute and proportional to each woman of childbearing age) still remains very high. So, in 2017, about 600 thousand abortions were registered in the Russian Federation. In 2016-m - more than eight hundred thousand. The number of abortions has steadily decreased since 1990, when more than four million of them were registered! But in part, let's be frank, this is also due to the decrease in the number of women of active reproductive age.

It is clear that it would be too naive to directly link the number of abortions and the number of babies we lost. Moreover, a simple ban in the face of our irresponsibility would certainly lead to a proportional increase in illegal abortions.

And yet I will insist: the chaos in the field of abortion, which we have been seeing in Russia for almost a good hundred years, must be stopped once. Russia is a sad pioneer in the legalization of abortions - they were legalized here in 1920. And all this time we were, if not the absolute leader in their number, then somewhere in the leading positions.

It is clear that this topic is extremely painful for millions of Russian women, who for many years have been inculcated with the idea that abortion is quite a normal thing, and now, directly or indirectly, they make it clear that this is still a murder. It is for this reason that any discussion of the topic of abortion immediately comes up against the deaf, irrational hatred of our women. So, the power that trembles about their 86 percent is unlikely when it goes to take any unpopular measures in this area. So, we will have to put up with this for a long time, and such a resource as normalization in the field of voluntary termination of pregnancy is unlikely to be used by us.

Another problem faced by all those who are seriously interested in the issues of demography is women's education, especially higher education.

Alas, the inverse relationship between the education of a woman and her desire to give birth is traced by the example of many countries. And with these it’s quite difficult to do something — well, don’t forbid higher education for women, right?

At the same time, there is one way to make education, if not permanent, then at least a temporary ally of our demographics. The method is simple: the more children a woman has, the less she pays for higher education. More precisely, even this way: if she has two of them, she does not pay for it at all. And if three or more, then she also paid a state scholarship.

Such a measure can not just stimulate the birth rate, but also move it to an earlier period, when a woman by nature herself is better adapted to the role of the mother. And instead of the current one “I will unlearn to twenty-five, for ten years I will make a career (or live for myself), by thirty-five I will find a deer and give birth to one”, I hope, I hope, a much more robust model of youth behavior. Something like this: a school, a marriage, a child, another child - and a university, for which the state is already happy to pay.

It is clear that this is not a panacea: not all settlements have their own university, and moving with a pair of spin-eaters in their hands is not very inspiring, even looking at it from the side. But for many, especially residents of medium and large cities, this will be a good incentive.

By the way, an example from a slightly different sphere ... In the USA, a contract soldier (including a woman) who has served in the army for five years, has the right to free education. I understand that the American experience is not a decree to us, and yet it would not be better if our women will receive a similar privilege for fulfilling the role that nature itself assigned to them?

Repeatedly raised the issue of stimulating the birth rate through the benefits of mortgage lending. And this can actually become a powerful incentive for Russia's demographic renaissance. I think many women will agree with me: it is much more pleasant to solve the demographic problems of the state when it simultaneously helps your family solve the housing problem.

As for the money, which the state, as always, does not have, you can again refer to the national welfare fund, in which almost half a trillion dollars. If you listen not to the Kudrin, but to other economists who call housing the first candidate for the role of the locomotive of the Russian economy, then this money is much more rational than to invest in US bonds, but in the birth of new Russians. And it turns out that we are killing two very tasty hares: we straighten the demographic situation and move the economy forward.

However, not a single economy! .. Of course, it is quite difficult for a man to speak on behalf of women, but still I would venture to suggest that one of the reasons for women's unwillingness to give birth is fear for the safety of their children, even if they are not born. It is true: it is impossible to keep a child under round-the-clock supervision, and without watching him on our streets too many dangers await.

For thirty years now, all sorts of "thieves in law" have opened the door to official offices with their feet. Murder, robbery, rape, missing people - all this has long become familiar to us. Yes, the numbers are gradually "improving", but it seems that it is not because of our law enforcement officers - just different kinds of scum sometimes "wet" each other, and it becomes easier for people to breathe a little.

And about how drug trafficking flourished in this environment, and there is probably no point in talking. I often hear that they have detained a large consignment of drugs and some next poor Tajik who agreed to take her to Russia for a measly several thousand dollars. But I have never heard that there is a shortage of drugs in my hometown, although I do not live in a vacuum, the earth is full of hearing.

And, sadly, I can understand women who do not want to go crazy, knowing that their child can be raped, killed, stolen, put on a needle, hunted down at school. Because if you think about it all the time, you can just go crazy.

And how can a mother not think about it in our mess?

So, if we are going to demand something, our convictions and beauties, and something to call for something, then we definitely need to first put things in order at least here, in a completely critical area that does not require delay. .

But instead of all of the above, we are more often given the idea that our salvation is in the mass reception of migrants. And then, they say, soon there will be nobody to work, the old men will have ...

And when I hear it, something very politically incorrect is immediately spinning in my tongue.

But I will not tell you, otherwise they will ban me here!
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  1. +7
    31 May 2018 05: 02
    Common thoughts.
    1. +1
      31 May 2018 09: 41
      Believe the UN do not respect yourself.
      1. +6
        31 May 2018 16: 34
        To begin with, artificial termination of pregnancy existed in all countries and at all times.
        Abortion is a pragmatic social way of economic SELF-REGULATION of the composition and size of the family: from a complete and incomplete family to the number of children and their gender in the family. And this sexually hidden side of the economic life of the cell of society has always been in the sphere of political control and influence from those in power.
        For POLITICS is a concentrated expression of the economic interests of a person, family, societies, peoples, nations, states, as well as all kinds of religious and secular transnational corporations.
        Therefore, the birth rate cannot be separated from the socio-political system in the country.
        Here, for example, is the birth rate and mortality schedule of the RSFSR / RF from 1926 of the year.

        What do we see on it?
        The graph clearly shows when in the RSFSR / RF the so-called "Russian cross", i.e. since when did mortality exceed birth rates. This happened in the 1991-1992 years, i.e. when the socialist system changed to the bourgeois system and the collapse of the USSR.
        Social guarantees have disappeared, especially in the Russian labor market, and the birth rate has fallen.
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            1. +6
              31 May 2018 19: 56
              You can talk a lot about the financial side of the issue, but still it’s not the main one! Raising girls, girls as expectant mothers is the main criterion. If from an early age the girl is told that she is the navel of the earth, everything for her, what’s possible from her to expect in the future and what kind of offspring she will give — hisists, that's for sure. And most of them do not know how to do almost anything, but poking a finger at the phone or computer keyboard. It turns out to be an excessively high self-esteem, which, in addition to harm, does nothing. Not from here, is there a very high percentage of people employed in the sex industry. There, it’s definitely not necessary to strain brain cells. And where only around the world are there our seeking girls and women ?. Who do they just not marry? And those who stayed in Russia dream more about the “overseas prince” arriving and taking her to a distant country. Moreover, the same cinema supports the theme. And that money is an investment in the demography of other countries, very often and now it’s already traditional. Here lies the foundation of the foundations, if nothing changes, then our women will ultimately put a bullet in the historical path of the Russian state and no economic reforms will help here. The product of this technology is in the title photo of the article. The winner of the contest is already a precedent for leaving Russia. Some clues about the role of women in society are provided by the Muslim religion. At least a reason to think.
        2. 0
          31 May 2018 17: 36
          Tatyana, the schedules are useful without if you want children, you will have them, but if you want to get high on your own or if you don’t get anything good yourself, unfortunately there is no modern LOVE in our world. And our youth lost to the world sex in this
          1. +1
            31 May 2018 17: 49
            fireman sun (Oleg)
            if you want children you will have them

            Ha! I would tell you life's events on the topic "she wanted a baby and really gave birth" - you would have laughed to tears at what came out of it!
            1. 0
              3 June 2018 21: 48
              Quote: Tatiana
              Ha! I would tell you life's events on the topic "she wanted a baby and really gave birth" - you would have laughed to tears at what came out of it!

              Do you even realize the meaninglessness of what you wrote? You tell, or not mention at all.
              Like I'm right, but I won’t say why?
        3. +3
          31 May 2018 21: 28
          Quote: Tatiana
          Social guarantees have disappeared, especially in the Russian labor market, and the birth rate has fallen.


          you know, in Rome, in the second century, the birth rate began to fall. it is at the center of a vast, richer empire. social guarantees there the hens did not bite and Roman women did not want to give birth. a riddle.
          and by about 470 (- + 10 years) the Goths and vandals reminded the Romans of how children are made in our world.
          some kind of spiritual resource is developed by civilizations and they leave the stage. and others are replacing them.
          This process is most likely irreversible since it is evolutionary and therefore obligatory.
        4. 0
          3 June 2018 21: 45
          Quote: Tatiana
          The graph clearly shows when in the RSFSR / RF the so-called "Russian cross", i.e. since when did mortality exceed birth rates. This happened in the 1991-1992 years, i.e. when the socialist system changed to the bourgeois system and the collapse of the USSR.

          But what about the failures of the 30s and 60s, because then there was a “correct” system? Fertility does not depend on the system but on the standard of living, and the inverse relationship.
          Quote: Tatiana
          Social guarantees have disappeared, especially in the Russian labor market, and the birth rate has fallen.

          What are the social guarantees in China and India? In Indonesia, in Brazil !!! On the contrary, fertility decreases with the development of medicine and social programs.
          1. 0
            3 June 2018 22: 00
            Quote: Pollux
            But what about the failures of 30's and 60's, because then there was a “correct” system? Fertility is not dependent on system but on the standard of living, and the inverse relationship.

            Under my comment is 2 of my comment deleted by the moderator. In them, I explained the schedule just with the answer to your question. If I write again, then they will remove it again. I do not want to run up again.
            Go to my profile. Open the article "Abortion. To give birth or not to give birth? Orthodoxy and national security of the Russian Federation. Article 2" - https://topwar.ru/76913-abort-rozhat-ili-ne-rozha
            t-pravoslavie-i-nacionalnaya-bezopasnost-rf-staty
            a-2.html
            There at the beginning of the article contains the answer to your question.
    2. +14
      31 May 2018 13: 12
      Everything is said correctly. But incomplete.
      Despite the importance of material support, this is far from the main thing, out of the second ten. The main thing is morality, public morality. Children must be desired, then all material difficulties are joyfully overcome. With the birth of children, I stopped wanting sweets - this is for children! I almost did not care about my own wardrobe, I easily carried darn things.
      At home I was met with joy - hugging, marking on me, doing utter hairstyles .... And grandchildren !!!
      Now I am observing colleagues, comrades, friends - lonely and having few children. Emptiness, a deformed psyche - nobody needs, no one is happy with the fact of your existence, your success. No one will be upset by your troubles.
      No one will regret, come to the rescue not by your call, but by your own empathy. There is no one to receive sincere joy for a pleasant, albeit a small present. There is no one to hand over a collection of stamps, soldiers, favorite books.
      But it's' too late! No, return, no fix. Never and never!
      Family will always accept with some alienation, children will shy away from fleeting caresses.
      IMPORTANT: do not miss the moment when the pleasure of club life, bachelor parties, picnics and resorts, when everything and everyone is tired, begins to disappear.
      It is short, but somehow.
      And who shapes morality in society ?! - ONLY WE! Neither the President, nor the Patriarch, nor the Prime Minister. Although their personal example is important - always in sight.
      And if WE are the main ones - let us around the clock, without breaks, all year round, anytime, anywhere - LOVE CHILDREN! Publicly! Enthusiastically! To the envy of childless and small children). Well, advice to help the lost.
      1. 0
        31 May 2018 21: 35
        Well, you think that their psyche is deformed, wearing their darn things. Many people live without children and feel great, better than hysterical mothers who only know how to scream at children.
        1. +5
          1 June 2018 07: 06
          Quote: Maksus
          Many people live without children and feel great.

          people do not live without children but die out
          1. +2
            1 June 2018 09: 01
            “Feel great” - exactly as long as they do not realize their worthlessness. Nobody succeeds in deceiving themselves to infinity. You can deceive others for longer, but all the more so in private. However, there is a clinic .....
            1. 0
              1 June 2018 21: 41
              Having children hasn’t added anyone anymore, that’s the catch.
              1. +2
                2 June 2018 10: 55
                Do not worry: everyone is growing up. Better - earlier But it happens, alas. late.
        2. 0
          3 June 2018 21: 52
          Quote: Maksus
          Many people live without children and feel great.

          It is the state’s fault - social protection and the pension system are killing the nation, and any. Advanced medicine leads to the genetic degradation of a nation.
      2. +2
        2 June 2018 17: 51
        Well done, Victor! It is the love of children and the constant struggle for their right, our struggle, and not juveniles, that will save Russia. TV and all the media are fighting for the unfortunate dogs that get stuck in flocks and rush to the same children, and this is considered important. How much vile hypocrisy in the politics of the authorities, as well as churches. What are all these charity campaigns worth! Shame on you!
    3. 0
      3 June 2018 21: 41
      Quote: rc56
      Common thoughts.

      Where are they healthy? For example:
      But instead of all of the above, we are more often given the idea that our salvation is in the mass reception of migrants. And then, they say, soon there will be nobody to work, the old men will have ...

      No "say" !!! Instead, those who do not want to give birth will bring others, and the government will be right. Do not want to give birth to children - be kind, get off the sidelines of history. There is no fault of our government that people have become selfish - no. on the contrary, it is necessary to keep the people in a black body - only then will conscience appear.
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  3. +11
    31 May 2018 06: 18
    All is correct. For Russia, the demographic crisis is one of the most important problems to fight against.
  4. +37
    31 May 2018 06: 19
    To solve the problem of demography, a set of measures is needed: from a guaranteed opportunity to raise and raise a child to a change in worldview.
    Stop shaking the topic of abortion-prohibitions led to terrible tragedies: mercury and spokes were used.
    On the one hand, the authorities are verbally expressing concern over demographic problems, and the reality is that the state today lives with the concerns of big business, and the people are spread rot. If I were 25 today, I would refuse to have children, because of the impossibility of raising them healthy, strong, smart, the state does not need such people, they need stupid people who can be manipulated. .And higher education is a deeper understanding of responsibility for the future of the child, and about the future the country is bad.
    Three periods in the Russian Federation
    1- . Saints 90s is a period of genocide,
    2- since 2000, stabilization and improvement began,
    2- after 2014, failure, behind the figures of low inflation, there is a double drop in living standards. The introduced innovations are aimed at increasing the fiscal burden on the population. There is, I would say, information terror: constantly changing legislative norms are being introduced, because of which a person is not able to protect themselves from the arbitrariness of officials. Electronic services deprive a person of the opportunity to defend themselves — a click with the mouse, an incorrectly set number — and you lost your property without the ability to prove that what you have been using for decades belongs to you.
    In such circumstances, to bring to light children is a crime against humanity.
    1. +20
      31 May 2018 07: 04
      I completely agree that the problem of abortion is a consequence and it is useless to fight it until the causes are eliminated.
      There are essentially three of them:
      1. Economic - not everyone has the confidence that they can raise children in good conditions.
      This requires not only maternal capital, but also family support in general (mortgage for children, i.e., when you take a mortgage at the birth of each next child, you pay the debt for real estate; payments for not using d / s, etc.)
      2. Medical - unfortunately, the nation does not become healthier. And the health of both women and men needs support. It is necessary to improve the medical care of those who want to have children. And do not forget about children's medicine, which is also not in the best condition.
      3. Social. Again, a burning lifestyle is being promoted in society. This does not promote fertility at all. All the scandals with golden boys and girls again reinforce the image of the playboys of life and irresponsibility.
      Plus, we simply do not have the main goal in life as our parents and grandparents had (our own well-being is not a common goal).

      Accordingly, it is necessary to solve these problems. Moreover, complex.
      1. +1
        31 May 2018 13: 06
        Quote: alstr
        I totally agree

        I agree with you about the measures, but the country is now working for survival! Another question is what is more important than technological lag and the army or family recourse It’s as if the budget is finite ..
        1. +4
          31 May 2018 13: 19
          Honestly, a budget, or rather money, is a bargain. The question should be asked what is needed and whether there are physical resources to achieve the goal.
          It’s from the series that you appoint a salary of million rubles for a doctor in a rural village in the remote taiga, but there’s just no doctor and there won’t be, because it physically simply does not exist.
          But for this approach, we must return to the USSR, when in fact it was.
          And in order to return, a general idea is needed for which everyone will work.

          Alas, this is not yet possible. I see that such a variant of events is possible only with external intervention.
          1. +1
            31 May 2018 13: 32
            Quote: alstr
            Honestly, a budget, or rather money, is a bargain. The question should be asked what is needed and whether there are physical resources to achieve the goal.

            We still have physical ones, but we have big problems with technological ones! What are the big resources required! Technological lag is very dangerous for the country, it is essentially us or not.
            Quote: alstr
            And in order to return, a general idea is needed for which everyone will work.

            That is ideology Yes And ideology is not good, because it always separates some people from others, so to speak shares.
            Quote: alstr
            Alas, this is not yet possible.

            And do not! Work for the good of Russia, that’s the whole ideology that we need Yes
            1. +2
              31 May 2018 16: 11
              I'm talking about an idea, not an ideology. These are different things.
              There should be an idea or goal that would unite the country. Here it is not.
              And ideology may be absent.
              1. +1
                31 May 2018 17: 05
                Quote: alstr
                I'm talking about an idea, not an ideology. These are different things.

                Why do you feel bad about the idea of ​​Russia's prosperity?
                Quote: alstr
                There should be an idea or goal that would unite the country. Here it is not.

                She is and she was voiced by the president, this is patriotism towards Russia!
                Build Russia, but pay tribute to you!
                Whom you have not noticed, trumpet about it!
                1. Alf
                  +4
                  31 May 2018 18: 48
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  She is and she was voiced by the president, this is patriotism towards Russia!

                  The President voiced a lot of things. Tell about patriotism to Abramovich, Deripaska, Vekselberg .. That's how they laugh.
                2. +3
                  31 May 2018 21: 21
                  The problem is that such a simple and generally important idea as the “prosperity of Russia” does not unite our existing Russia, but on the contrary leads to disunity ... And there is a simple reason for this time bomb, we put it under ourselves and constitutionally fixed it in the early 90s when they broke the USSR ... Transforming to the CIS. At that time, we fixed the rules that we are multinational and that every nation has the right to have its own piece of cake, this is both the language and local self-government and subjectivity in the federation, and taxes are about money. Therefore, many citizens here do not associate themselves with Russia as a whole, and for them the idea of ​​Russia's prosperity is an empty phrase. It is necessary for such an idea that a Tatar, a Chechen, a Bashkir, a Buryat, a Jew, a Kalmyk, a Russian, etc. they didn’t consider themselves ethnic, but considered themselves Russians then they will be equal and only then this idea can become an engine, but for now this idea leads to a dangerous dead end of national fragmentation.
        2. Alf
          +2
          31 May 2018 18: 29
          Quote: You Vlad
          It’s as if the budget is finite ..

          And if you invest not in your country, but in the USA, then it is even more finite.
          1. +1
            31 May 2018 18: 39
            Quote: Alf
            And if you invest not in your country, but in the USA, then it is even more finite.

            If Russia imitated the world currency, then yes! And while the dollar is such a payment element in this world! Do you understand that I am an alternative economist? Do you understand that there are simple solutions? So make them unintelligible to us.
            1. Alf
              +2
              31 May 2018 18: 46
              Especially for the slow-witted.
              Money can and should be invested in the development of your country, which will then be profitable, and not invest funds received from the wealth of your country in candy wrappers that are not backed by anything. And until now, none of the particularly advanced has clearly, concisely and clearly understood, without the usual verbiage, for which the ruble should be freely convertible. The Soviet economy did not interfere with the non-convertible ruble. But the freely convertible ruble of the Russian Federation provides all the opportunities for withdrawing funds from the country.
              1. +1
                31 May 2018 18: 56
                Quote: Alf
                Especially for the slow-witted.

                I’m just one of those feel
                Quote: Alf
                Money can and should be invested in the development of your country, which will then be profitable,

                What if not a secret? Russia if something is built into the global financial system! And there money is a dollar!
                Quote: Alf
                And until now, none of the particularly advanced has clearly, concisely and clearly understood, without the usual verbiage, for which the ruble should be freely convertible.

                And what is he already like this? belay
                Quote: Alf
                The Soviet economy did not interfere with the non-convertible ruble.

                The Soviet economy did not interfere with the impoverishment of the population.
                Quote: Alf
                But the freely convertible ruble of the Russian Federation provides all the opportunities for withdrawing funds from the country.

                Is he like that? am
              2. +1
                31 May 2018 22: 20
                But who will seriously explain to you if you have not read the textbooks ?! Be more modest! They hint to you, explain it - but you don’t understand! Have you never done a nest egg from your wife?
          2. +1
            31 May 2018 22: 15
            Where and what to keep the reserve and how much do they need? I do not accept the exam, you yourself answer, finally. It’s enough to demonstrate ....... You’ll hear enough from the standings, and here you are, like that gypsy ....
        3. +2
          3 June 2018 20: 47
          Quote: You Vlad
          Another question is that technological lag is more important and the army or family is budget. It’s as if finite.


          Without army families and technologies, it certainly will not be.
      2. 0
        3 June 2018 22: 05
        Quote: alstr
        1. Economic - not everyone has the confidence that they can raise children in good conditions.

        The problem is not in the economy, the problem is in “certainty”.
        Quote: alstr
        2. Medical - unfortunately, the nation does not become healthier.

        And how will it become healthier if physically disadvantaged people survive and breed their own kind. The nation is degrading - thanks to advanced medicine.
        Quote: alstr
        3. Social. Again, a burning lifestyle is being promoted in society. This does not promote fertility at all.

        So it is precisely the developed social sphere that is to blame for this. Everyone knows that in cases of illness, or in old age the state will help, why have children if there is a pension? Why be a social person if there are unemployment benefits, sick leave and other nishtyaki from the state?
        Fertility is falling - thanks to the pension system!
        Quote: alstr
        Plus, we simply do not have the main goal in life as our parents and grandparents had (our own well-being is not a common goal).

        Grandparents had precisely such a goal - to live on their own and raise children.
    2. +7
      31 May 2018 07: 32
      Hello Zhenya! hi
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Stop shaking the topic of abortion-prohibitions led to terrible tragedies: mercury and spokes were used.

      In modern conditions, no one will do that. And about illegal abortions - equate abortion to murder, and the whole problem will be solved. Not a single doctor will undertake an abortion - intentional killing by a group of persons, this is right up to life.
      In addition, you as a woman should understand that EVERY abortion irreparably undermines a woman's health and affects reproductive function.
      So a ban on abortion is necessary, but ONLY in conjunction with other measures, social and economic.
      hi
      1. +5
        31 May 2018 12: 42
        It is only necessary to begin with other educational measures. To begin with, stop popularizing immorality and irresponsibility. It’s time to put the media in place so that the information is reliable and useful, at least where there is funding associated with the budget. And it’s time to remove “House 2”, and not to nominate its founder as president. The mind should be put in order, young people should see the future, which they can provide with their work, then the birth rate will be at the level and the problem discussed will not be relevant. Yours faithfully
        1. +1
          31 May 2018 13: 00
          Quote: olimpiada15
          To begin with, stop popularizing immorality and irresponsibility. It’s time to put the media in place so that the information is reliable and useful, at least where there is funding associated with the budget

          So you propose restricting the freedoms of the media? There will be many screams all over the world (the bloody Putin regime, etc.) lol
          Quote: olimpiada15
          And it’s time to remove House 2,

          I'm with two hands for Yes
        2. dSK
          +3
          31 May 2018 16: 10
          Quote: olimpiada15
          It’s time to put the media in place so that the information is reliable and useful, at least where there is funding associated with the budget. And "House 2" is time to remove

          It’s just a sabotage against the country when we are “poisoned” at a “treasury” expense!
          "a deputy of the State Duma of the last convocation and Chairman of the Honest Party Roman Khudyakov prepared an appeal addressed to the Minister of Health of Russia Veronika Skvortsova with a request to conduct a national independent study - Is homosexuality a mental illness. Even 20 years ago, the Ministry of Health had no doubts about this: homosexuality was officially considered a mental illness in Russia. But in 1999, the ministry depatologized this phenomenon. It is time to answer the question why for decades mental disorder was considered a disease and suddenly became the norm in the era of late Yeltsin, who was already not understanding anything.
          “If it’s a disease, it’s clear that such people will not be able to teach in schools and universities. There will be restrictions on transport management. Other than that, they they will not be able to be elected to the legislative and executive powers, to occupy the position of judges. "- Roman Khudyakov.
          1. +2
            31 May 2018 16: 48
            Quote from dsk
            they will not be able to be elected to the legislative and executive powers, to occupy the positions of judges

            Serge - did you read Klimov? Homosexuals at the subconscious level have a complex of power. They have already penetrated almost all the places in the pyramid of power. And they will never adopt laws restricting their rights. hi
      2. +1
        31 May 2018 13: 25
        It's funny that there are more supporters of the abortion ban among men.

        And as for the beneficial effect of this measure, look at the Romanian experience under Ceausescu and the impact of the lifting of the ban on abortion in the USA on street crime.
        1. +1
          31 May 2018 16: 49
          Quote: kakvastam
          look at the experience of Romania at Ceausescu

          Why such a distant example? Poland experience today not an example?
          1. 0
            31 May 2018 17: 51
            Then, for you to understand - there is no panacea.
            The fact that in some circumstances is good, in others is undoubted evil.
            1. +1
              31 May 2018 19: 01
              Quote: kakvastam
              Then, for you to understand - there is no panacea.

              I do not need to understand what I already know. But the prohibition of abortion in combination with other measures is still effective. hi
              1. 0
                31 May 2018 19: 45
                Can to be effective.
                But it is clearly secondary, and the set of necessary conditions is too large.
              2. 0
                31 May 2018 21: 52
                I totally disagree with the ban on abortion. This is just the flip side of the phrase I order everyone to give birth!
    3. +2
      31 May 2018 12: 49
      Quote: olimpiada15
      If I had 25 today, I would have refused to have children, because of the impossibility of raising them healthy, strong, smart, the state does not need such people, they need stupid people who can be manipulated.

      What prevents you from raising children like this? Parenting has no desire to do so say so.
      1. +1
        31 May 2018 16: 51
        Quote: You Vlad
        Parenting has no desire to do so say so.

        And will you support our families while we try to counteract the media in the process of education? wink
        1. +1
          31 May 2018 16: 57
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And will you support our families while we try to counteract the media in the process of education?

          Don’t turn the beggar on! Please! People multiplied under the worst circumstances! It all depends on the given human individual! extra problems.
          1. +1
            31 May 2018 19: 18
            Quote: You Vlad
            People multiplied under the worst of circumstances!

            Yes, it was worse. But almost everyone lived like that. Try now to explain to your child why he does not have clothes and gadgets like his peers. Why doesn’t he need to watch "interesting" shows in the style of house-2, and other children can. Try to explain the harm of chips and Coca-Cola, when on the next bench the same children deliciously crunch transgenic Lace with washing them with energy.
            Do you really think that you are able to oppose the Internet, school, street, all your friends and girlfriends? Do not be naive - your child will still grab the culture that surrounds him. Unless you will bring him up in the conditions in which German Sterligov brings up his children. Or send him studying at the Shchetinin school.
            P.S. And I'm not a beggar. Just living with two children in odnushka, I have to work late, and I see children at most 2-3 hours a day. And I don’t whine, it just infuriates me that the game upstairs is on the same goal.
            1. 0
              31 May 2018 19: 29
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Yes, it was worse.

              This is when if not a secret?
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Try to explain to your child why he does not have clothes and gadgets like peers

              Nonsense!
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Do you really think that you are able to oppose the Internet, school, street, all your friends and girlfriends? Do not be naive - your child will still grab the culture that surrounds him. Unless you will bring him up in the conditions in which German Sterligov brings up his children.

              You if that should be the main authority for your child !!
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              P.S. And I'm not a beggar. Just living with two children in odnushka, I have to work late, and I see children at most 2-3 hours a day.

              Why are you so many here belay
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And I don’t whine, it just infuriates me that the game upstairs is on the same goal.

              Are you a player? Or did someone tell you? You are not who, and what will happen in the country you will understand in about twenty years .. when they will publicly explain to you.
              1. +2
                31 May 2018 19: 34
                Quote: You Vlad
                This is when if not a secret?

                Yes, even in the 50s.
                Quote: You Vlad
                Nonsense!

                Justify.
                Quote: You Vlad
                You if that should be the main authority for your child !!

                In theory. I have already explained the difference between the theory of education and practice. It is a pity that you did not understand.
                Quote: You Vlad
                Why are you so many here

                Take a closer look at the time of my comments.
                Quote: You Vlad
                you will understand in twenty years ..

                20 years ago I heard the same songs. Sing them in other ears - I do not like soap operas. hi
                1. 0
                  31 May 2018 19: 46
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Yes, even in the 50s.

                  What are you coming up with! The people on the wall saved up a couple of years, what are you talking about?
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Justify.

                  It would be justified. Yes
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Take a closer look at the time of my comments.

                  What difference does it make? There are too many of you for someone who has problems with children ...
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  20 years ago I heard the same songs. Sing them in other ears - I do not like soap operas.

                  Twenty years ago there weren’t any soap operas; people survived.
                  1. +1
                    31 May 2018 20: 55
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    What are you coming up with! The people on the wall saved up a couple of years, what are you talking about?

                    What’s the wall here? belay Do not confuse the 50s with the 80s. My mother is from the 50s, I know how they lived then. Hard, hungry, but lived. And morality was maintained at the state level. And now the state is financing TNT through Gazprom Media. (Dom-2)
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    It would be justified.

                    In what sense? belay You called nonsense a concrete proposal, without substantiating it. And who after that carries nonsense? wink
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    What's the difference?

                    And someone is teasing! laughing Judging by your presence, you don’t have any children at all. Next, we will move on to the person with the essence of the matter? Are you a kremlebot? wink
                    Quote: You Vlad
                    Twenty years ago there weren’t any soap operas; people survived

                    And the authorities promised everything that in five, ten years everything would be nishtyak. good But as they say, nishtyak is horse manure. wink Bast-start over.
                    1. 0
                      2 June 2018 11: 09
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      What’s the wall here? Do not confuse the 50s with the 80s. My mother is from the 50s, I know how they lived then. Hard, hungry, but lived.

                      Now seriously!
                      When did the people in Russia live better?
    4. 0
      31 May 2018 13: 15
      You haven’t learned much yet - it wouldn’t be too late ......
    5. +2
      31 May 2018 16: 46
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Electronic services deprive a person of the opportunity to defend themselves — a click with the mouse, an incorrectly set number — and you lost your property without the ability to prove that what you have been using for decades belongs to you.
      In such circumstances, to bring to light children is a crime against humanity.
      that’s ...., but with a piece of paper -person!!!" better?
      Quote: olimpiada15
      If I had 25 today, I would have refused to have children, because of the impossibility of raising them healthy, strong, smart, the state does not need such people, they need stupid people who can be manipulated.
      -after WWII BIRTH despite not poverty, malnutrition, devastation .. they just loved children, and they did not care about the state ...
      And if you are ready to abandon children, just because the state there wants something like that, then you DO NOT LOVE children ...

      Quote: olimpiada15
      and what about the future of the country is bad.
      -a in our country is always bad ..... You go somewhere from here, huh? since you feel bad here .....
    6. 0
      3 June 2018 21: 54
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Stop shaking the topic of abortion-prohibitions led to terrible tragedies: mercury and spokes were used.

      And it’s not a pity for such women; high grass and mutilate themselves - this is their choice.
      Quote: olimpiada15
      In such circumstances, to bring to light children is a crime against humanity.

      In what conditions? And in what conditions did they give birth in the Middle Ages? In ancient times? Primitive people?
      What are you not comfortable with current conditions?
  5. +8
    31 May 2018 06: 20
    Deny higher education for women !!!!!!!!!!!!!! To the author a plus sign))))) to begin with, to ban watching the channel tnt.
    1. +2
      31 May 2018 07: 56
      Quote: Clever man
      Deny higher education for women !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      GYYY good laughing good
      1. +2
        31 May 2018 10: 05
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Clever man
        Deny higher education for women !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        GYYY good laughing good

        UPD: No, not that. Particularly scary and with obvious defects, I think, can be resolved. Others - strictly in bed, forcibly ... something like laboriousness.
        Damn, and it's already morning recourse
    2. +1
      31 May 2018 08: 21
      Deny higher education for women !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Yes, in general, three classes of high school and that's enough. lol
    3. 0
      31 May 2018 13: 45
      Quote: Clever man
      Deny higher education for women!

      And then ban women, use test tubes.
  6. +12
    31 May 2018 06: 21
    So I watch the Moscow military parades, my soul rejoices. Maybe better less is better? And then from the loafers I will soon save will not be final. Everything else is a bluff. If a woman loves a man, then the children will certainly appear. And if the union of a man and a woman is only for sex or for material benefits, then it is better not to give birth to children. And with love in Russia in recent years, big problems.
    1. +5
      31 May 2018 10: 01
      Quote: 1536
      And with love in Russia in recent years, big problems.


      Yeah, when they laughed that there was no sex in the USSR, but there was love and children. Immediately, sex over the edge, no children. So why do children come out? Americans say that from sex ....
  7. +18
    31 May 2018 06: 28
    Twenty-five percent of couples in Russia cannot have a baby because of health problems .. In Israel, IVF is completely free ... At any age, the number of procedures is unlimited ... We have it even if you get into the free program ... All cost hundreds of thousands of rubles .... The authorities, because of their isolation from the people, simply do not realize the problem ...
    1. +4
      31 May 2018 08: 59
      After abortion or other artificial inhibition or termination of pregnancy, it is not surprising to get infertility.
      1. +3
        31 May 2018 09: 05
        It happens ... but unfortunately it's just a health problem ... For example, we have now found out that in half the cases, this is a malfunction of the immune system ... It’s necessary to clamp down on the immune system, and it’s very expensive and dangerous ... and after pregnancy everything is very difficult ... we do not have a complex ... IVF separately ... troubleshooting separately ... nursing separately ... and this is a lot of money ...
        1. +1
          3 June 2018 22: 35
          Quote: Vard
          It happens ... but unfortunately there are simply health problems ...

          In most cases, it is vigorous youth that leads to infertility.
    2. +4
      31 May 2018 13: 29
      The authorities are aware of the problem, they simply solve it in a way that is easier and more profitable for them - by importing migrants.
      For them, society is not an organism, but a habitat, exactly the same intestinal parasites ...
    3. +3
      31 May 2018 14: 30
      By the way, why "By virtue of their isolation from the people, the authorities simply do not realize the problem." Should the people themselves think, or does he need a nanny?
      1. 0
        1 June 2018 10: 08
        Why the hell are we holding her and keeping her, this nanny, if we should think for the people themselves for any problem?
        1. 0
          1 June 2018 11: 20
          Wonderful question good beyond the scope of this topic.
        2. 0
          3 June 2018 22: 36
          Quote: forty-eighth
          Why the hell are we holding her and keeping her, this nanny, if we should think for the people themselves for any problem?

          Ask the President of the Russian Federation - let him give birth to your wife’s kids - if you yourself can’t, the state will help you!
          1. 0
            4 June 2018 09: 04
            I’m not sure that you can rely on the president in this matter. Even his wife escaped from him to a young one, and you "get sick, get fun" ...
    4. 0
      3 June 2018 22: 34
      Quote: Vard
      Twenty-five percent of couples in Russia cannot have a baby because of health problems ..

      Patients produce patients.
  8. +9
    31 May 2018 06: 30
    And also a plus to all of the above, or better to say, more generalizing - most people have no motivation. There is no motivation to work, to family ... For everything ultimately rests in the robbery of the "central bank", and total insecurity, injustice ... It certainly was before, under "tsarism" ... But there the number of peasant children is vice versa was a survival factor - more hands. But this has not yet changed the macroeconomic situation. Thus, we see that global factors influencing demography are factors of global economic and socio-psychological ... One can even say for sure - ideological. And we don’t have ideologies. Except one - get rich! Well - everything is enriched. Children are a burden now.
  9. +5
    31 May 2018 06: 53
    For thirty years, all sorts of "thieves in law" have kicked open the door to government offices. Killing, robbery, rape, missing people - all of this has long been familiar to us. And how the drug trade has flourished in this environment, and there’s probably no point in talking. I often hear that they detained a large consignment of drugs and some other poor Tajik who agreed to smuggle her to Russia for a miserable few thousand dollars. But I have never heard that there was a shortage of drugs in my hometown; more and more often they slip into the thought that our salvation is in the mass reception of migrants.
    from early fellow Remember this article and give a link to it to the next "puttiller."
    1. +3
      31 May 2018 08: 03
      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

      from early fellow Remember this article and give a link to it to the next "puttiller."

      This means that you did not read the previous one very carefully. It was devoted to only one aspect, and I hope that my position there was well substantiated.
      1. 0
        31 May 2018 17: 39
        Quote: BigBraza
        she was dedicated to just one aspect,

        maybe there was one aspect there, but you made conclusions on many
        for a weak economic policy, for the lack of a noticeable fight against corruption and organized crime. Moreover, these are very serious flaws, which under certain conditions cannot be covered by any foreign policy successes.
  10. +14
    31 May 2018 06: 54
    It seems to me that a huge fault in reducing the birth rate is in education. The youth is brought up by selfish, narcissistic people who do not want to take responsibility, why the hell are the children - they themselves are waiting for them to be taken care of and treated as children - parents, society, state. "Give it, serve it, do the opposite ...". And with children, you need sacrifice, the maturity of the mind, the skill of selflessness - and not like narcissistic infantilism ...
    1. +8
      31 May 2018 08: 04
      I agree with you. Young people want to live. today и for myself,for pleasure.And children, this is a concern. Unfortunately with our crazy, fast-paced life, we did not notice how our children became selfish and consumers. Money is also important, but a soul is also needed.
      1. +4
        31 May 2018 12: 02
        living for yourself and crushing the brain of the young generation from all mass media for pleasure, educating consumers is the goal of this system
        1. +2
          31 May 2018 13: 26
          Sroy - we build, but there is a society and it must form morality. And WE are members of society, and this is forever, as is the obligation to observe morality.
          including despising lust and consumerism.
    2. +3
      31 May 2018 13: 39
      It is not even a matter of egoism and consumerism. People are gradually losing the ability to live in time, realizing that adolescence should be followed by maturity, by it - old age, etc., that the flood after us is not at all guaranteed. One does not see the desire to leave something behind, somehow change the world by its existence.
      And this worldview cannot be changed either by laws or by the growth of prosperity - we need transpersonal values.
      And this, unfortunately, is already an ideology (prohibited in Russia).
      1. +4
        31 May 2018 14: 23
        Quote: kakvastam
        People are gradually losing the ability to live in time, realizing that adolescence should be followed by maturity, by it - old age, etc., that the flood after us is not at all guaranteed. One does not see the desire to leave something behind, somehow change the world by its existence.

        By the way, a clear insane amount of tattooed aunts on the streets, of various ages - from 16 to 40, yeah, serves as a vivid confirmation of this (among others). Some are painted to obscenity, "under Gzhel-under Khokhloma." Yes In no way am I a hypocrite or a retrograde (moreover, I myself am an old punk), but, damn it ... there should be a limit to everything, at least in terms of taste and measure. And so as not to feel sad, when I meet with such a “walking gallery”, I am amusing myself, introducing this organism twenty to thirty years later, and where these arts will crawl into it, or vice versa. wassat Well, apparently, they imagine themselves to be forever young and forever free ... And the children ... well, if only on the occasion ... as a last resort. Change the world ... well, apparently, the world for them is limited by their own appearance, which they change with unbridled fanaticism, sparing neither themselves nor others. laughing It is clear that not everyone lives according to the principle “after us - at least the flood”, but the number of these is steadily growing.
  11. +5
    31 May 2018 06: 54
    The basis of all that the author speaks about is the low standard of living in our country. Even for children with rare diseases, they have to collect money all over the world and the state to one place.
    1. +5
      31 May 2018 08: 05
      In Germany or Switzerland, the standard of living is high. But the birth rate is very low. Alas, it’s not just economic reasons.
      1. +6
        31 May 2018 09: 22
        In Germany or Switzerland, the standard of living is high. But the birth rate is very low. Alas, it’s not just economic reasons.

        The standard of living is not life yet. You see, everything is so regulated there that God forbid to violate any rules and laws, you will be fined right away and will glance at you at the plagued person. I have a friend for permanent residence in Germany, and there was an avid fisherman, he came and told me how quietly he caught fish there, we rode with laughter. If they see, then the police visit and the fine are accordingly secured and the Germans themselves knock. Another German wife’s girlfriend also left with all her relatives, they have the whole family there for about twenty people, planted them in the front garden, as we have taken tomatoes, cucumbers, they came and said that you could not plant anything besides flowers and that you deprived of that who does this. Something like this.
    2. +2
      31 May 2018 10: 19
      Quote: Prim2
      The basis of all that the author speaks about is the low standard of living in our state.

      Very sad, of course. But there is an oriental saying - "Allah gives children and gives them food." No need to be afraid, just your father will need to work a little more and more actively. Devastation, alas, in the heads.
    3. +2
      31 May 2018 13: 29
      You never have enough money for all the suffering, you cannot collect. The state has a lot of worries. Tell your friends and neighbors what to spend on food for cats and dogs. and not to help children - Wrongful!
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    1. +6
      31 May 2018 07: 50
      I do not care, dear edition (s)
      Quote: cedar
      Satanists set a goal to reduce the world's population by 6 billion people

      And the inhabitants of Nibiru - for 10000000. So what?
      Quote: cedar
      Teachers, doctors, accountants, etc. are replaced by expert systems

      There are no such "expert systems". And they are not “replaced”, but “supplemented”.
      Feel the difference, as they say.
      Quote: cedar
      Everywhere there is a replacement of everything and everyone with machines and robots.

      Well, not "all" and not "all" ... and so - the spirit of, you know, time. If earlier “two soldiers replaced the excavator”, now it’s going to happen that the opposite will happen (s).
      Quote: cedar
      Conquerors need our land and its wealth, slag aboregens overboard ...

      Rave. It’s easier to buy ready-made than to conquer and suffer later with mining and production ...
      In short, "we made a decision do not buy the grass that you smoke" (with).
      See further Yes
    2. +5
      31 May 2018 08: 47
      Quote: cedar
      Everywhere there is a replacement of everything and everyone with machines and robots.

      Even Lada Vesta is already with a robotic gearbox! We are all gone!
      But if this is serious, then urgently disconnect from REN TV, transfer to Rain, and then to Russia, don’t immediately switch to Russia, it can jam from a sharp reformatting!
      Quote: cedar
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

      Are you from GCD (if it is still alive ...)?
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  13. +3
    31 May 2018 07: 29
    Do not worry, everything will be fine. After the World Cup, our beauties will replenish our boarding schools, with little black and other stripes, kids, as it was after the Olympics 80. So then there was the Soviet Union, and now with our freedom of morals?
    1. +4
      31 May 2018 09: 07
      No fools ... and the same fools ... Condoms will be distributed for free ...
  14. +4
    31 May 2018 07: 41
    "Well, for the white man!" (with).

    But seriously, the key problem.
    A roof over your head and proper installation - and everything will be fine.
  15. +7
    31 May 2018 08: 00
    Why give birth? Mothers do not have confidence in the future of their children .. That they will go to study or go to work .. that they will have their own housing .. And the fathers and mothers will not pull the mortgages of children ... then grandchildren ... I remember my old courtyard .. young families lived in new houses .. mostly .. In each family there was a child, or even two and three .. in the Gologutsky family 7 were ... We were sure about tomorrow .. It was noisy fun ... And the yard is not one house, three located with the letter P ....
    1. +2
      31 May 2018 08: 39
      Quote: parusnik
      Each family has a child, or even two and three ..

      For population growth, at least 3 children are needed. If in a family 2 is reproduction of the same population, if 1 is a decrease. In my village, the decline began in the late 70s and early 80s.
    2. +8
      31 May 2018 09: 51
      Where is good? In China? In India? Life there is all tin and nothing, give birth, and give birth so that soon the whole world will be a solid China. The problem is corruption from the West. We are amazingly fast, like a sponge, we absorb the entire Western infection and do not want to accept everything that they have good. Yes, we still resist the influx of homosexuals, but besides this, a lot of other forms of debauchery have come to us, which we gladly eat. And we do not understand that all this is equally dangerous.
      1. +3
        31 May 2018 10: 06
        Quote: alexnmv5
        We are amazingly fast, like a sponge, we absorb the entire western infection

        Yes, everything is correct. EDUCATION AND PERSONALIZATION!
    3. 0
      3 June 2018 22: 42
      Quote: parusnik
      Why give birth? Mothers have no confidence in the future of their children ..

      On the contrary, potential parents have confidence that everything will be fine in their old age, children are not needed.
  16. +6
    31 May 2018 08: 02
    in the next thirty years, the population of our country may decline by ten million people.

    All claims against deputies. It is enough to compare the check for lunch of the deputy and the allowance for children for mothers.
    Some eat thousands at a time, while others give "pennies" for a month. That's when the opposite will be, then claims to our beauties can be made.
    And then, it’s not forced to force them to give birth, it’s not comme il faut. We must be guided by affection and patience.
    1. +3
      31 May 2018 09: 48
      Not certainly in that way. They on their checks (three-course dinner plus "compote" for 100 rubles) assign benefits. They think that the prices of their dining room are prices throughout Russia
  17. +7
    31 May 2018 08: 35
    I don’t agree on crime. Now there is no rampant crime, especially the yard-punks.
    In many ways, the author is right. Support is needed, we launched the capital to pay off mortgages, it helped a lot. Now we are waiting for the third, for the third there seems to be nothing, only privileges for the communal apartment.
    But do not ruble in one. As life shows, the better off the population lives, the worse the demography. The problem is upbringing, we are raising consumers! Also look at the form of relationships nurtured in soap operas about love! Typical classic:
    Daughter 16-18 years old: Mom, I love him, I will be his wife!
    Mom: No, it does not suit you!
    Daughter: Late, I'm pregnant!
    Mom: .... (checkmate) but nowhere to go, wedding!
    Daughter in a year: mom, you were right! We are getting a divorce!
    That's all, she is a single mother, offended by the authorities and personally by Putin (she does not know that there can be another president), the groom is a non-payer of alimony, her parents keep their children to death.
    Whom do they bring up? chickens do not raise eagles, they bring up chickens!
    I hope I clearly stated my idea ...
    1. 0
      31 May 2018 09: 32
      Quote: raw174
      Now we are waiting for the third, for the third there seems to be nothing, only privileges for the communal apartment.

      This is probably a wife without V \ O? An educated woman cannot make three give birth ...
      Quote: raw174
      Putin personally (she doesn’t know that there might be another president),

      Well, this is of course debatable ... The fact that she (the woman) may know another husband, but that there may be no other president?
      1. +2
        31 May 2018 10: 11
        Quote: already a Muscovite
        This is probably a wife without V \ O? An educated woman cannot make three give birth ...

        My wife has a higher legal degree, she could not defend her candidate just because of the decree, she works in the court apparatus. I said that there should be at least three children, she does not mind.
        Quote: already a Muscovite
        Well, of course it's debatable ...

        This is figuratively)))
      2. +1
        1 June 2018 22: 28
        Quote: already a Muscovite
        Quote: raw174
        Now we are waiting for the third, for the third there seems to be nothing, only privileges for the communal apartment.

        This is probably a wife without V \ O? An educated woman cannot make three give birth ...
        I have a daughter with a VO, graduated from the Historical Archive (the one on Nikolskaya). Three sons, all with her husband raised, all three students. No need to force, just help. I repeat, devastation is in her head.
  18. +10
    31 May 2018 08: 37
    Benefits and other financial handouts have nothing to do with it. We have excellent demographics in the Caucasian republics and among visitors from Central Asia. At the cottage, I have neighbors, a local village family, not burdened by earnings and a career - 11 children. Priorities must be changed in society, and even from school age. To suggest that the main thing in life is a family and many children. We still have the mania of earnings and careers, ratings and the pursuit of imaginary success overshadowed by all the mind.
    But the prospect is bleak - if we do not have 3-5 children in families in the next 50 years, the country will fall apart without any external conquests.
    1. +2
      1 June 2018 06: 27
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Priorities must be changed in society, and even from school age.

      Right Yesterday I was at my daughter’s graduation in kindergarten. Children showed a small concert. Remember the verse about the profession, Mayakovsky? Where about the joiners and engineers, so now in the garden they have changed everything and the same verse is told about managers, bankers and presidents, it is said that the main thing in life is more money ... here it is, education ...
  19. +3
    31 May 2018 08: 39
    There is more hope for Muslim women than for Russians.
    How did Arafat talk about the most powerful weapon ....
  20. +2
    31 May 2018 08: 43
    So, in the 2017 year, approximately 600 thousand abortions were registered in the Russian Federation. In 2016, more than eight hundred thousand. The number of abortions has been steadily declining since the 1990 year, when more than four million were registered!
    The easiest way, probably, is for the state to “redeem” children from those who decide to have an abortion, but only after the birth of a healthy child. I think many of these women will turn procreation into a way to earn money. Here, however, a problem arises where to recruit the right amount of medical staff so that the newborns maintain their health and where to recruit a large number of highly moral educators so that the children grow up as normal, not embittered citizens, not prone to crime. This, I am afraid, is impossible ... So this method is also from the category of delirium.
  21. +3
    31 May 2018 08: 52
    And if the pension is tied to the number of working children (deduct not to the pension, but to the parents' pension), then interest will increase.
  22. +2
    31 May 2018 09: 02
    And I have long been talking about the fact that by the end of the century it is necessary for Russia to have at least 200 million people, and preferably 250-300 million, but this is a pipe dream. After all, a lot of this is not necessary, work for peasants with a salary to support a family of 4-6 people and housing. And for the deceased, introduce a coefficient to the salary, so that for the same work the one who has more children gets more. I understand that now they will attack me, they will accuse me of fantasizing, idealism and misunderstanding of the situation, etc., but .... in the future this will be worth a hundredfold. Our century is ending, we will leave within the next couple of decades, and Russia and the people will remain.
    1. +1
      1 June 2018 06: 31
      Quote: Ros 56
      After all, a lot of this is not necessary, work for peasants with a salary to support a family of 4-6 people and housing.

      Will not help. De in the matter of money. Compare fertility in prosperous Norway and Germany with India and China, where rice cake is the basis of the diet ...
    2. 0
      3 June 2018 22: 48
      Quote: Ros 56
      And for the deceased, introduce a coefficient to the salary, so that for the same work the one who has more children gets more.

      Another option is a progressive tax on childlessness, only to tear it from the employer (like pension contributions) mercilessly.
  23. +6
    31 May 2018 09: 05
    Quote: Untermensh
    It seems to me that a huge fault in reducing the birth rate is in education. The youth is brought up by selfish, narcissistic people who do not want to take responsibility, why the hell are the children - they themselves are waiting for them to be taken care of and treated as children - parents, society, state. "Give it, serve it, do the opposite ...". And with children, you need sacrifice, the maturity of the mind, the skill of selflessness - and not like narcissistic infantilism ...


    elementary observation: girls are now playing iPhone, not dolls, although this is how they begin to instill a sense of motherhood and responsibility from early childhood (feed bark, comb, comb, put to bed, etc.)
  24. +11
    31 May 2018 09: 21
    Free the woman from the need to work, then she will give birth. Give her husband a decent salary so that he can support a family with five children, give guarantees in case of loss of a breadwinner and you will have children. While a woman is forced to work, children will build a career in 3rd or 4th place. Maternal capital is a one-time handout, a set of measures is needed.
    1. +1
      31 May 2018 17: 22
      Women with a high level of intelligence are unlikely to agree to the role of housewives.
  25. +3
    31 May 2018 09: 38
    In general, there is a suggestion from experience ... now social workers are attached to old people ... this, by the way, helps to solve the problem of unemployment in rural areas ... Now there are a lot of unemployed people, so we’ll introduce an institution to help those with small children in their families ...
  26. +1
    31 May 2018 10: 06
    Slop all this! Only a knife switch will solve this problem. laughing
  27. +4
    31 May 2018 10: 28
    Women give birth when they are confident in the future, and not for benefits. And what kind of confidence is it now, if 900 people can be easily kicked out into the street (Vladimir Avtopribor)?
    1. +4
      1 June 2018 06: 39
      Quote: Altona
      Women give birth when they are confident in the future, and not for benefits

      That's right! The most confident women in the future live in countries such as: Niger, Uganda, Zambia and Somalia! And everything is gloomy in the future for women of Monaco, Japan, Italy and other Finland.
  28. +2
    31 May 2018 10: 31
    All hope for education and upbringing, the cessation of the substitution of traditional family values ​​and traditions that are alien and hostile to us, i.e. government officials and the so-called the elite to nationalize and stop participating in the ideological war being waged against our country, on the side of the enemy and not to confuse the trenches.
  29. +2
    31 May 2018 10: 48
    Ha. in the Moscow region half non-Russian spies on the phone.
    And half (minimum) of students - obscenities.

    And with d. Gardens, schools, housing - one problem.
    Demographics .... they told us that 140 million according to the census? A registry office (90 million) type is lying?
    so be calm and enjoy the "salary increase"
    1. +1
      2 June 2018 22: 55
      This stuffing for the underdeveloped about allegedly 90 million has long been exposed.
  30. +4
    31 May 2018 11: 16
    “Uncertainty in the future and poor financial situation lead to unwillingness to give birth to children” - utter stupidity. And when was a good financial situation? There is always something missing in a person’s life. And he always strives for something. What Europeans have a difficult financial situation? No. Simply, Western European civilization ends its life cycle. And all reserves of development have been exhausted. Russia still has them. It is necessary to actively attract and use young cadres from the countries of the former USSR. There are still many people associating themselves with Russian civilization. We also need a state program for artificial insemination to enable couples, they want, but for various reasons, they can not have a child, have children.
  31. 0
    31 May 2018 11: 22
    Everything is true in the article, but, as always, the question rests on the economy. In a normal economy, there will be an increase in the birth rate, and in an abnormal one, "why bring poverty." Alas. sad
    1. +4
      31 May 2018 11: 37
      Quote: Igor V
      In a normal economy, there will be an increase in the birth rate, and in an abnormal one, "why bring poverty."

      In a normal economy (Europe), extinction occurs, but in countries with a non-normal (Middle East) demography, everything is in order.
      “why bring poverty” is not an economy, it is a belief.
  32. +2
    31 May 2018 13: 04
    This is the third article on a similar topic in the last 3 weeks ... Apparently, the situation is not very. Once again, I propose opening doors for all Russian people from the CIS countries. It seemed to be such a topic. But, at the moment, repatriation is terribly bureaucratic. Obtaining Russian citizenship is VERY difficult, unfortunately.
  33. +6
    31 May 2018 13: 19
    It's simple: the birth of a child by many women is perceived not only as the joy of motherhood, but also as a deterioration in personal status (a cross on a career, youth entertainment, farewell to girlish beauty due to stretch marks, fullness, sagging breasts, etc.). My wife and I have four children, two sons and two daughters, so everything is fine with the children, three adults already, but what price does the wife pay for happiness ... Regarding the appearance for 40 years - complexes to tears, length of service on retirement - 7 is not gaining years, 2010 was applying for a medal to a mother of many children - while the administration thought Medvedev changed the status of the medal (now from 7 children) ... The eldest daughter has been married for three years, but the children are in no hurry to have children - the career comes first on a maternal example, because I'm a wealthy person, even by European standards And now her husband of such income does not reach, probably never. They have 50-60 thousands of salaries per month, for Orenburg it’s not bad, but only 30-35 receives a daughter from them (and the minimum is officially the rest in “gray”), and when they go on maternity leave, they will go down to the level of survival.
    Values ​​driven in by the zombie creature destroy the institution of family and motherhood, often young and active people directly propagate a lifestyle under the motto "I will not produce poverty." But this is one side of the coin ... The second - WHOM TO BIRTH ??? How many guys after work / study a half a beer in their hands and for a computer, to chop into tanchiki ?? And this is not the worst option ...
    Therefore, I have not been bombed for a long time from such news, from which one vile rubbish came out of bile in my LJ:
    https://nikolaeva.livejournal.com/1076309.html
    Let us cast aside her vile mockery of the word "patriot", which will take out the essence of the event - the beauty and clever girl married a black man and went to live in London. And what do we want if gasoline is on 45, and the minimum is 10 thousand ?? So they will leave, and they will leave. To produce beautiful mulattos in places more pleasant for life.
    1. 0
      3 June 2018 22: 54
      Quote: Earnest
      How many guys after work / study a half a beer in their hands and for a computer, to chop into tanchiki ?? And this is not the worst option ...

      This is the fault of our parents, they also gave birth a little, there is no choice.
  34. +1
    31 May 2018 13: 24
    After abortion children are tormentors of parents. They are more exposed to infernal forces. am
    1. +1
      1 June 2018 10: 31
      Sprinkle holy water and all things.
  35. +1
    31 May 2018 14: 10
    Since the conversation turned to the future, and children are the future of the country, I will share my vision. To direct life in the country for the better, it is necessary to create youth villages. Allocate a large plot of land near the city, not a swamp, normal land, so that there was a place for the organization of production and a lot of space for housing. To consider what kind of production can be created there and organize small firms. And to attract students for the development of architectural and construction projects, organization of production and equipment. Protect completed work for term papers and diploma projects. And in the summer to send student construction teams there, so that they begin to implement their plans. No need to entrust officials, let those who will live there do it. The right to oversee the processes is given to teachers. And after graduation, let them go to work and live. Housing for starters - apartments with the status of a hostel and give land for free for the construction of houses. And the state should invest money, not investors, not creditors. And there will be effective production, and young families, and healthy children, and many children. And the money invested will be returned to the state by revitalizing the country's economy, good demography, improving health and social well-being.
    We have trained all the specialists: architects, builders, electricians, developers of modern equipment, economists, accountants, doctors, teachers: here they need to be given the opportunity to organize their life, create their future. And the country needs goods of its own production, so as not to depend on the ruble exchange rate, so as not to feed the population with palm oil, genetically modified soy, preservatives, flavorings and colorings. We need building materials, food, clothes and shoes, machine tools and equipment, and we have what to produce from, to whom to produce, to whom to create, to whom to consume. First, create one village, then in each region.
    The course that the country is following today: struggling, taking losses, occupies a niche in the hydrocarbon market, food entering international integration leads the country into a swamp of population degradation, weakening of the state.
    1. +1
      31 May 2018 16: 26
      There are hundreds of abandoned villages in Russia. Why wouldn’t young people go there? And the place was inhabited, “not at the swamp”, and there was production, only it must be resumed on a modern basis. What to fence the garden from scratch? In Russia, there is where to turn around and give birth to children, and live with dignity, you only need to come up wisely. But the state should first of all protect these new villages from bandits, including those hiding under various posts and ranks.
      1. 0
        2 June 2018 22: 57
        The vast majority of young people are citizens, and they do not want to live in a village.
  36. +2
    31 May 2018 14: 23
    Yes, just that. What does abortion and the mind of women have to do with it? Cheap food, clothing, affordable housing and no state regulation of the family and family relationships. - The key to natural population growth. It is these components that are present in countries with high fertility and absent with low. To disperse the Duma and the courts, to give free rein to the citizen, what else? And let the beauties go to the modeling business. Those who earn appearance do not give birth willingly, or even do not give birth at all.
    1. +1
      1 June 2018 06: 55
      Quote: ont65
      To disperse the Duma and the courts, to give free rein to the citizen

      Yes, in general, disperse the state! Why the police, why the army! Throw the machine, go to the cave!
    2. Alf
      +2
      1 June 2018 19: 59
      Quote: ont65
      To disperse the Duma and the courts,

      And will you write laws?
      And in the event of a dispute with a neighbor, where will you go? To the lads? Purely specifically to score an arrow and squander?
      Quote: ont65
      give free rein to the citizen

      Right now, the citizen’s will is unmeasured.
      1. 0
        1 June 2018 20: 10
        And will you write laws?

        Do not tell me at least one useful law adopted by edrom (read the thought)?
        1. Alf
          +1
          2 June 2018 16: 52
          Quote: onix757
          And will you write laws?

          Do not tell me at least one useful law adopted by edrom (read the thought)?

          Do not mix sour with square. If a colleague proposes to disperse the Duma, then who will write the laws? Is there anything to say on the subject? Judging by your answer, nothing. Sometimes it’s better to keep silent.
  37. +3
    31 May 2018 15: 32
    mortgage lending needs to be removed altogether
    for families, the state may well arrange a loan without interest,
    as well as a number of other socially important expenses like education or health.
    The economic activity of the population can be doubled in 10 years by simple financial leverage.
    and most importantly - experience is already there. The 3rd wave of Stolypin reforms yielded tremendous positive results.
  38. 0
    31 May 2018 16: 06
    Poverty, the arbitrariness of bureaucracy, the lack of stability and prospects for the future are the main factors causing Russian women to be reluctant to give birth. To solve the demographic problem, an integrated approach is needed, which is not possible under the economic policy of the current government.
    If the liberals did not have time to finish off Russia in the 90s, now they have nothing and no one bothers to bring their business to the end.
  39. AndreasHoffman
    0
    31 May 2018 17: 10
    It seems to me that the author got a little stuck in the 90s and early 00s ...
  40. +3
    31 May 2018 20: 05
    And instead of the current one, “I’m going to study until twenty-five, I’ll be pursuing a career for ten years (or living for myself), by thirty-five I will find a deer and give birth to him alone”
    The author somehow bypassed the "deer". Discussing such topics, it is usually not accepted to talk about them. Take for example the team that won first place and reward half the team. How the team will perform in the next competition is not difficult to guess.
  41. +1
    1 June 2018 00: 23
    30 years ago, a state collapsed that only such neighbors heard about such problems. Maybe we can just learn from ourselves 30-40 years ago? Why come up with a bike?
  42. 0
    1 June 2018 18: 27
    "Words, words ...", forgotten (V. Gaft). The breakdown of epochs, worldviews and painful convulsions of the nascent another world. Loss!? Well, sir, not to explain to you.
  43. 0
    1 June 2018 22: 44
    Well, abortions here were counted in vain, because abortions are mostly done by unmarried women.
  44. +2
    2 June 2018 07: 33
    I wrote correctly about the mortgage. I have three (two soldiers and one girl) and I pay a mortgage of 31 thousand a month. The benefit of salary allows. But the housing issue is the main issue for the family. This issue will be resolved and the birth rate will increase significantly. And we’ll earn money for a living.
  45. +3
    2 June 2018 18: 14
    All ideas are doomed to failure while family law enforcement practice remains anti-male.
    Now you can get married, take a mortgage at a predatory interest, work like a damn for a salary for which even movers will not work in Western countries .. But at any moment your “missus” can stupidly put you outside, without desks and with one tooth with a brush. The court will leave her a child, and make you pay child support. At best, you will see the child once a week, at worst, when the bailiffs are ready to accompany you. Oh yes, if immediately after the divorce, the lady went to Turkey and brought offspring from there, then within 300 days from the date of the divorce, you are a priori father.
    I forgot the main thing, the apartment for which you paid the mortgage will also remain for her, so the court will decide in the interests of the child ..))
    1. +1
      3 June 2018 23: 08
      Quote: Sofa Warrior
      All ideas are doomed to failure while family law enforcement practice remains anti-male.

      You are absolutely right, women have been given too many rights. In fact, the whole struggle for women's rights is a struggle for one single right - the right not to give birth.
      And on the other hand, why is a woman worse than a man? Men do not want to go to the army to defend their homeland, and women do not want to give birth - everything is fair. The only injustice - the law equals everyone - those who served and gave birth to those who did not.
      1. +1
        4 June 2018 15: 02
        Yes, if only this way, let them not give birth if they do not want to. This is another matter. Now any woman can turn a child into a human shield and hostage. And after the divorce, twist his father's hands by any means, legal and not very, exploiting his feelings. Moreover, legal means are enough, because all the courts are for them. Yes, the laws are normal, but decisions are 99% in favor of mothers. It is in law enforcement practice the problem. And its root in general is in the mentality and specificity of the personnel of the judiciary. That is, to solve this problem is a matter of three to four decades. In the presence of political will. No other way. Nobody will certainly solve this problem, of course, I don’t see the interest of government bodies in this.
  46. +3
    3 June 2018 09: 18
    Guys, it turns out, completely written off the topic! Hit the heel. The man in the family is now in what role? Not at all "the master of the house", but a servant of the womanish whims.
  47. +1
    3 June 2018 12: 08
    "You can again refer to the national welfare fund, in which nearly half a trillion dollars"... And what does our people have to do with it? Or does the author not know - in whose interests was this fund created? belay
    "The idea that our salvation lies in the mass reception of migrants is increasingly being suggested to us."... Alas ... That's for sure! This idea is constantly being handed to us by those creatures who are now in pro-government circles and who need cheap labor to pay less. And migrants bring here" their own "... And when, due to intensified influx of "aliens", they will establish "their" order, such as the "Sharia patrol and Muslim courts" (look at the sad experience of the West on the "delivery"), then the pro-government jackals who brought these gas workers here will simply be dumped from Russia with the looted people money ... And we will stay here ... angry
    1. +1
      3 June 2018 23: 12
      Quote: Brigadier
      “The idea that our salvation lies in the mass reception of migrants is increasingly being slipped into us” ... Alas ... That's for sure! This creature is constantly slipping us those creatures that are now in pro-government circles.

      Have children - there will be no migrants. "Creatures" are those who do not give birth.
      Quote: Brigadier
      And when, due to the increased influx of "aliens", they will establish "their own" orders, such as the "Sharia patrol and Muslim courts"

      Give birth to sons - let them establish their rules!
  48. +2
    3 June 2018 19: 24
    Withdraw from the cops the pensions they earned in the 90s and give to women in labor, the property of the rich cops who served and is serving in the drug control departments to confiscate.
    Eliminate in cities of large and small all kinds of diasporas that can be safely called Sabotage narcotic groups, Sabotage economic groups their goal is to make the lives of Russians and all Slavs chronically poor and unpromising.
    Going to the Diaspora!? So you don’t feel comfortable living in this country, then you must be sent to your historical homeland.
    And I don’t stir up anything, I just got tired of seeing all this in all Slavic republics, can it really be that people from our society can’t keep a cafe, trade why we don’t comply with food safety !!! ??? One New Year’s night we will be poisoned with imported citrus fruits, those who should guard us are conspiring with our enemies whom we take as minorities, is it not time to look at Europe and what the migrants did with a different Faith and from another society !!! ??? ??
  49. +1
    4 June 2018 07: 38
    Quote: Pollux

    The problem is not in the economy, the problem is in “certainty”.

    So confidence gives stability to the economy (more precisely, part of it). The ability to predict your life is not a dozen or so years ahead. Now this is not possible, because it is not known what kind of crisis will arise.

    Quote: Pollux

    And how will it become healthier if physically disadvantaged people survive and breed their own kind. The nation is degrading - thanks to advanced medicine.

    For a nation to be healthier, it is necessary to deal with its health. That the doctors were, so that they did not get to the patients for 10 hours. So that the doctor can prescribe what kind of medicine is needed, and those that are cheaper (as in Sweden). So that we can produce the same medicines and produce them in high quality. Yes, much more is needed.


    Quote: Pollux

    So it is precisely the developed social sphere that is to blame for this. Everyone knows that in cases of illness, or in old age the state will help, why have children if there is a pension? Why be a social person if there are unemployment benefits, sick leave and other nishtyaki from the state?
    Fertility is falling - thanks to the pension system!


    Social network is not only a pension system, but also the correct attitude in society. In the West they were lost (all these scandals with harassment and all kinds of rainbow from this opera). We lose them too. Alas.
    And the leadership seems to be saying the words, but look at the golden youth and immediately understand that these are just words.


    Quote: Pollux
    Grandparents had precisely such a goal - to live on their own and raise children.

    He was tasked with building a new state where everyone could live well (this is before the war). Then the goal was to defeat the aggressor and restore the country. But then, when they built a seemingly good country, they somehow blotted out a new goal and it ceased to be a guide for the people.
  50. 0
    4 June 2018 09: 47
    Quote: Sergej1972
    This stuffing for the underdeveloped about allegedly 90 million has long been exposed.

    Yeah, and the official site of the registry office is lying, and the state stat, and senior officials ...
    They are all agents of the State Department ...
  51. 0
    5 June 2018 18: 01
    Демографическая катастрофа в России уже неизбежна. С одной стороны власть не готова вкладываться в реальную поддержку рождаемости, здравоохранения, воспитания и финансовую стабильность семей с детьми. С другой стороны каждое новое поколение всё меньше готово жить ради детей и их эгоизм растёт по многим причинам.
    Я отец трёх дочерей и воспитываю их с уважением к семейным ценностям и очень хочу внуков, но я никогда не пойду против их счастья. Если они не встретят достойных и любимых мужчин в поколении эгоистов, то я соглашусь и на однополый брак и на их отъезд за границу и даже на аборт. Потому что будущее России это важно, но счастье своих детей важнее.
    Вероятно наши дети сознательно похоронят все будущие поколения, променяв их на своё личное счастье эгоистов.
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