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NATO offers Ukraine to forget about the Crimea

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The NATO Parliamentary Assembly has in fact advocated violation of the statute of the North Atlantic military bloc. The organization said that they are in favor of admitting Ukraine and Georgia to the alliance, despite the “territorial problems” that are present. One of the most vigorously in favor of the adoption of Ukraine and Georgia in NATO politicians was the Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Moravetsky. According to him, it is necessary to give Kiev and Tbilisi the opportunity to be part of the North Atlantic Alliance in a short time.


From a statement to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly:
We need to oppose the policies that Moscow is pursuing in respect of our non-aligned allies. Her policy destabilizes the situation in these countries.


NATO offers Ukraine to forget about the Crimea


And the unconstitutional coups and other “rose revolutions” did not destabilize the situation in Ukraine and Georgia?

Against this background, Ukraine has published data from a sociological survey on the subject of citizens' attitude towards joining NATO. If last year 48% of Ukrainians were in favor of joining (Poroshenko declared 50 with more than one), then new Maidan authorities would not be happy: support for the initiative to join the Western military bloc began to fall: now around 43%. At the same time, exactly one third of Ukrainians are categorically against joining.

In the meantime, Kiev called “peremog” statements at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly. And the Ukrainian (politically sober) experts noted that NATO’s statements are a double-edged sword, since Ukraine is actually invited to acknowledge the final loss of the Crimea and, possibly, part of Donbass.

It turns out that Georgia is also invited to forget about South Ossetia and Abkhazia if it is accepted into NATO.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 29 May 2018 10: 36
    +3
    The Parliamentary Assembly NATO actually advocated violation of the charter North Atlantic military bloc.

    For yourself relatives, and under the kicks of the mericatos - what you can’t do! bully
    1. Grandfather Makar
      Grandfather Makar 29 May 2018 10: 41
      +19
      It turns out that Georgia is invited to forget about South Ossetia and Abkhazia if it is admitted to NATO

      Yes, yes ... And we Russian will remind them all this before joining NATO ..! We have studied their rules perfectly. Do not see them NATO, as their ears! soldier
      Here is the famous photo!

      Run to NATO, they asked Russia ??? Everyone on the asphalt face to the bottom .. So it will be with everyone!
      1. Topgun
        Topgun 29 May 2018 14: 23
        +1
        have fun, are there preconditions that Russia will be asked? even hints?
        already think what kind of "patriotic" comment write when they will be accepted in NATO ...
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 21 June 2018 18: 22
          0
          already think what kind of "patriotic" comment write when they will be accepted in NATO ...

          We’ve come up with it a long time ago, you won’t like it much, NATO too. angry
    2. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 29 May 2018 10: 52
      +11
      These two territories are of no more interest to NATO than cannon fodder and a foothold.
      1. Old bun
        Old bun 29 May 2018 11: 05
        +7
        Quote: Spartanez300
        These two territories are of no more interest to NATO than cannon fodder and a foothold.


        It’s getting closer and closer what was told on OBZh and GO.
      2. Gargantua
        Gargantua 29 May 2018 12: 05
        +1
        Quote: Spartanez300
        These two territories are of no more interest to NATO than cannon fodder and a foothold.

        Or maybe you don’t need to think so narrowly and remove the veil from the eyes draped in propaganda? Joining NATO practically guarantees them security, the absence of conflicts with neighbors, paves the way for accession to the EU (Turkey is not an indicator here, because all the rest sooner or later joined the EU). Of course, there are minuses too. For example, deprivation of sovereignty. But most countries are ready to give up on this.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 29 May 2018 12: 12
          -1
          Security, accession to the EU are all possible advantages. Possible.
          They do not cancel the main one -
          These two territories are of no more interest to NATO than cannon fodder and a foothold.
          1. Gargantua
            Gargantua 29 May 2018 12: 24
            +5
            Listen, for example, for Belarus, an alliance with Moscow is a desire to become cannon fodder for Russia or a desire to ensure its security? From the point of view of the West - this is the first, from the point of view of Belarus - the second. So it is with all other countries of the former Warsaw Pact. Moreover, they well remember how earlier the alliance with Moscow turned into a lag in development and living standards for them, and this is very important for people. A living example is the GDR, from where people simply rushed to Germany, destroying the wall. This is why, to the fact that only the faster development of Russia itself will allow us to find allies. And under the current government, centrifugal force is only increasing. No one wants to be friends with a country where almost a third of the population lives below the poverty line. See the root, not the propaganda nonsense.
            1. raw174
              raw174 29 May 2018 12: 47
              0
              Quote: Gargantua
              This is why, to the fact that only the faster development of Russia itself will allow us to find allies.

              Yes that's right. No one wants to lead a friendship with backward wimps.
              But for NATO, what are +? Bridgehead? Don’t tell, they don’t have enough land in the Russian border? But in Ukraine they will rise without membership ... They will not accept it because NATO does not want to fight with the Russian Federation, but how will Donbas break out? Have to stand up for a member. And the member is not solvent, and why is he like that?
            2. Separ
              Separ 29 May 2018 13: 00
              +8
              Currently, many Germans, who still lived in the GDR, are very sorry about the merger.
              1. Gargantua
                Gargantua 29 May 2018 13: 07
                +1
                Such will always be. But the vast majority of Germans are happy to unite wink
        2. Old bun
          Old bun 29 May 2018 12: 58
          +3
          Quote: Gargantua
          Quote: Spartanez300
          These two territories are of no more interest to NATO than cannon fodder and a foothold.

          Or maybe you don’t need to think so narrowly and remove the veil from the eyes draped in propaganda? Joining NATO practically guarantees them security, the absence of conflicts with neighbors, paves the way for accession to the EU (Turkey is not an indicator here, because all the rest sooner or later joined the EU). Of course, there are minuses too. For example, deprivation of sovereignty. But most countries are ready to give up on this.


          It also guarantees universal prosperity and lace shorts.

          Do you know the unemployment rate in Eastern Europe, Greece, Spain and Portugal?

          Paradise is impossible for everyone, some will be used as a material for building a paradise for one golden billion. The rest of x is at an expense.
          1. Gargantua
            Gargantua 29 May 2018 13: 11
            +1
            Quote: Old bulka
            Do you know the unemployment rate in Eastern Europe, Greece, Spain and Portugal?

            It is strange, but for some reason there are no revolutions because of this and even victories in the elections of ultra-right or left-wing parties, although the media there are incomparably freer than ours. Or maybe the whole point is that everything is civilized there and they receive decent unemployment benefits?
            1. Old bun
              Old bun 29 May 2018 19: 52
              0
              Quote: Gargantua
              Quote: Old bulka
              Do you know the unemployment rate in Eastern Europe, Greece, Spain and Portugal?

              It is strange, but for some reason there are no revolutions because of this and even victories in the elections of ultra-right or left-wing parties, although the media there are incomparably freer than ours.

              Yes?
              Study the question before writing.
              Italy:
              Right-Center Coalition Victory EUROSEPTICIANS with long familiar faces. It included the parties of the former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, “Forward, Italy”, “League of the North” Matteo Salvini and “Brothers of Italy” Georgi Meloni. Together they scored about 37%.
              Confirmation link:
              https://strana.ua/articles/127858-pobeda-evroskep
              titsizma-kak-italjantsy-vybrali-chto-uhodno-no-ne
              -sidennikov-es.html

              Regarding the right, follow this link here, please:
              http://sivilink.ru/rost-ultrapravyx-v-evrope-kart
              a/
              I can also throw it off, but perhaps not. There's no point.
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 29 May 2018 13: 13
            +3
            Do you know the unemployment rate in Eastern Europe, Greece, Spain and Portugal?
            I'm afraid he doesn’t even know how many millions of Americans live on cards .....
            1. Gargantua
              Gargantua 29 May 2018 13: 42
              0
              Quote: 72jora72
              Do you know the unemployment rate in Eastern Europe, Greece, Spain and Portugal?
              I'm afraid he doesn’t even know how many millions of Americans live on cards .....

              Ahh, I understand, it means that millions of not the poorest people from all over the world annually apply for a residence permit in the United States just for the sake of some kind of card? You are funny Zhora)))
      3. zoolu350
        zoolu350 29 May 2018 12: 08
        0
        The owners of the Fed ALL territories, except for the place of their nesting (SCM) are interested in cannon fodder and bridgehead and more resources.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 29 May 2018 10: 59
      +5
      It would be better for NATO to forget about Ukraine itself, as well as about the entire post-Soviet space. winked
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 29 May 2018 12: 05
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        It would be better for NATO to forget about Ukraine itself, as well as about the entire post-Soviet space. winked

        Of course, they won’t forget about all of Urkain, but they already drew the alleged (permissible) loss of the Urkain territories in the interests of NATO five or six years ago.
      2. Gargantua
        Gargantua 29 May 2018 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        It would be better for NATO to forget about Ukraine itself, as well as about the entire post-Soviet space. winked

        As one well-known Western politician openly said that there is no need to experience illusions, the West will not grow and develop together with Russia, but against Russia and at the expense of Russia. Until today, these words have been realized. Then why should they actually abandon their main goal? request
    4. helmi8
      helmi8 29 May 2018 11: 02
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      The NATO Parliamentary Assembly has actually advocated a violation of the charter of the North Atlantic military bloc.

      The parliamentary assembly can speak out about anything; it does not decide anything there, like any parliamentary assembly of this type, including the UN General Assembly ...
    5. Chertt
      Chertt 29 May 2018 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      and under the kicks of the mericatos - what you won’t do!

      On the one hand, well, they will join NATO, Russia monochromatic.
      And on the other, we still have to release them
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 May 2018 12: 39
        +3
        They want to join a herd called NATO from fear, so there is nothing to speak for their strength and greatness.
        Who did such a step make significant except in his party? As were shrill mongrels, they remained so.
        If they blame on anyone, they haven’t touched anyone for a long time ... who needs them.
  2. MoJloT
    MoJloT 29 May 2018 10: 36
    +7
    We offer NATO to forget about Ukraine.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 29 May 2018 10: 52
      +8
      Quote: MoJloT
      We offer NATO to forget about Ukraine.

      they just won’t ask us. But this is very likely. What can’t you do for the sake of rockets near Kharkov!
      1. Old bun
        Old bun 29 May 2018 11: 03
        +8
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: MoJloT
        We offer NATO to forget about Ukraine.

        they just won’t ask us. But this is very likely. What can’t you do for the sake of rockets near Kharkov!


        They will deliver. Everything leads to this. A direct threat, we must remember how the Union reacted to this. To warn that any infrastructure will be immediately hit, without negotiation, and possible victims are the responsibility of those who make this decision.
        This must not be allowed!
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 29 May 2018 12: 10
          0
          So that the oligarchy of the Russian Federation rocked against the owners of the Fed? Naive.
        2. raw174
          raw174 29 May 2018 12: 56
          0
          Quote: Old bulka
          To warn that any infrastructure will be immediately hit, without negotiation, and possible victims are the responsibility of those who make this decision.

          Oh what a fighting spirit, right off the charts! The main thing is that on the day "D", you personally rushed to the draft board in the front ranks, but do not forget the hat, but more! And I do not want my country to unleash a world war! If they set up a base there, of deep enough concern and the deployment of sufficient forces in the region to guarantee the destruction of this facility (the same missiles). In the USSR, of course, all were straight men with cast iron fobberge, but this did not save the USSR, therefore this example is not successful ...
          1. Old bun
            Old bun 30 May 2018 15: 21
            0
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: Old bulka
            To warn that any infrastructure will be immediately hit, without negotiation, and possible victims are the responsibility of those who make this decision.

            And I do not want my country to unleash a world war!


            And I do not want my country to disappear at the request of the world gendarmes! You didn’t reflect on the fact that only GUARANTEED mutual destruction stops and saves the whole world from the 3rd world?
            And without the possibility of retaliatory strike, or its significant reduction, the probability of the end comes precisely ...

            About Concern - I will not even comment.
            1. raw174
              raw174 31 May 2018 06: 09
              0
              Quote: Old bulka
              only GUARANTEED mutual destruction stops and saves the whole world from the 3rd world?

              I know that for sure. I also said this:
              deployment of sufficient forces in the region to guarantee the destruction of this facility (the same missiles)

              Place yes, but apply first - NO!
              Quote: Old bulka
              And I do not want my country to disappear at the request of the world gendarmes!

              They will not go to war, they are smarter. USSR collapsed without war.
      2. raw174
        raw174 29 May 2018 12: 50
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        What can’t you do for the sake of rockets near Kharkov!

        If they wish, they will launch missiles without entry ... Ukraine is too problematic in terms of finances to be a member.
  3. Guru
    Guru 29 May 2018 10: 39
    0
    Leave your hopes all entering laughing
  4. midshipman
    midshipman 29 May 2018 10: 49
    +3
    It is necessary for Ukrainians to forget not only about Crimea, but also about the People's Republics, Odessa, Kharkov, Kherson.
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  5. Altona
    Altona 29 May 2018 10: 49
    +1
    Such a turn could hasten the collapse of Ukraine and Georgia too. Staying in NATO is fraught with financial and political risks.
    1. Meshcheryak
      Meshcheryak 29 May 2018 11: 33
      +2
      If this happens, then it will accelerate the breakdown of Mother, because the population will be disappointed, and this is a completely different turn!)))
  6. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 29 May 2018 10: 50
    +4
    I have long said that charters and the like are of course an important thing, but insignificant and overcome if you want to achieve important political goals and benefits. And they, in this case, for NATO, these benefits and objectives are obvious ....
  7. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 29 May 2018 10: 53
    +2
    If they join NATO, it can turn out extremely badly for us. There will be no more interlayer from a foreign state, will gather more troops under the guise of exercises in Hohland, and will blow when they consider that the time has come. And Kaliningrad, which is “the terror of NATO,” according to the most independent Western media, is a large cauldron that will be stuck on all sides and torn apart, and the more weapons there are, the more trophies will be
    1. Heterocapsa
      Heterocapsa 29 May 2018 11: 04
      +4
      nobody will tear anyone apart. Attack a country in which no nuclear weapons will be attacked. Europeans generally piss because the countries are tiny, for them such a retaliatory strike is the way to the Stone Age.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 29 May 2018 12: 12
        +2
        The technology of destroying a country that possesses nuclear weapons from the owners of the Fed has already been developed, so do not hesitate.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 29 May 2018 12: 58
          +2
          Quote: zoolu350
          The technology for destroying a country with nuclear weapons from the owners of the Fed has already been developed,

          Worked out ??? belay
          When? On whom??
          That's right, trump pissed off the DPRK lol
          Or do you think Iraq still possessed nuclear weapons ?? Maybe Vietnam ?? wink
          No one knows how the conflict will proceed after the start of the exchange of nuclear strikes ... request
          Only theoretically .. wink
          1. zoolu350
            zoolu350 29 May 2018 13: 01
            +2
            In the USSR and is only being improved. But Eun is not an oligarchy of the Russian Federation; he has grandmothers in offshore and no children in Yale. Destroy the country with nuclear weapons as 2 fingers on the asphalt, the main thing is to create a large "gray zone" on the border.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 29 May 2018 15: 13
              +5
              Quote: zoolu350
              Eun is not an oligarchy of the Russian Federation, he has grandmas in offshore and no children in Yale.

              Do you think that we have oligarchs who command units of the Strategic Missile Forces ?? belay
              Who are you hinting at specifically ??? what
              1. zoolu350
                zoolu350 29 May 2018 19: 17
                0
                To the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and its managing manager Putin.
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 29 May 2018 20: 21
                  +4
                  Aah, I see.. lol
                  It is strange that we are still not occupied what ? This manager, already in power for 17 years ... Che, how long have mattresses been collected ??
                  1. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 29 May 2018 20: 57
                    0
                    And why rush if everything goes according to plan, consistently, without unnecessary casualties and investments. In 1991, the owners of the Fed hosted only in Western Europe, now they host in Ukraine and develop Kazakhstan. Here is such a continuous oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
                    1. LiSiCyn
                      LiSiCyn 29 May 2018 21: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      are developing Kazakhstan

                      No, well, then you, love the special, in Kazakhstan ??? what
                      Well, let's get started ... Bases, seized accounts, Latin .. lol
                      1. zoolu350
                        zoolu350 30 May 2018 02: 53
                        0
                        Why start if you yourself know everything? Or an adherent of the KhPP: "at least ... in the eyes, all of God's dew?" It’s fun for me to watch how people like you at VO bleach the next plums of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, passing it off as “great” HPPs.
                  2. conservative
                    conservative 30 May 2018 15: 51
                    +1
                    Is it hard to look for logic in Zuli 350?)

                    you will not find. there is a brain oligarchy
                    1. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 3 June 2018 04: 33
                      0
                      Is that all that gave birth to your consciousness? Not much.
          2. Nikolay73
            Nikolay73 30 May 2018 13: 01
            0
            ... the oligarchy will do everything to preserve and increase its assets, an example - Germany - nuclear weapons - is, independence - no, England, France ... are these examples not enough for you? Let me remind you that the Fed is not the property of the United States ...
        2. raw174
          raw174 29 May 2018 13: 00
          +1
          Quote: zoolu350
          The technology of destroying a country that possesses nuclear weapons from the owners of the Fed has already been developed, so do not hesitate

          ??? on whom worked out? Are you hinting at the USSR?
          1. zoolu350
            zoolu350 29 May 2018 13: 05
            0
            Yes, it is not a problem in the USSR to destroy an isolated state possessing nuclear weapons.
            1. raw174
              raw174 29 May 2018 13: 49
              +1
              Quote: zoolu350
              Destroy an isolated state possessing nuclear weapons is not a problem.

              The problem is big. It all depends on the power within the victim country.
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 29 May 2018 11: 19
      +7
      Quote: Vol4ara
      And Kaliningrad, which is “the terror of NATO,” according to the most independent Western media, is a large cauldron that will be stuck on all sides and torn apart, and the more weapons there are, the more trophies will be

      Thank you for the "optimism" ... wink
      That is, big Russia will not help us ??? Or do you think the area lasts half an hour, no more ??
      Have you been to the area ever?
      We, "German" trophies, still find lol The terrain is very inconvenient for the offensive, swamps, a large number of ditches and canals (bridges) ... I can honestly say, even after 73 years, this little piece of Russia has kept its secrets since Teutonic times ...
      So, if there is no nuclear strike, we will be afraid of them ... wink
  8. shubin
    shubin 29 May 2018 10: 54
    0
    But they will, and they will. Spit on their own rules, or new customize. And what, Russia will go to war in Ukraine? So maybe this calculation. And 43% for NATO, that’s a lot, you don’t have to.
  9. Archikah
    Archikah 29 May 2018 10: 56
    +7
    Putin has just said that one should not cross the “red lines” in the policy towards Russia. About the same Ukraine was said. And not a week passed - immediately there was talk of Ukraine’s admission to NATO. What difference does it make with Crimea and Donbass it will enter there without them. This is completely unacceptable. It is necessary to start opposition - otherwise it will be too late to drink Borjomi. am
  10. Kondratko
    Kondratko 29 May 2018 10: 57
    +1
    As a matter of fact, everything went to that end; the pundits are no longer able to fit into our borders as needed, and most likely this solution will be implemented (if we allow them). There are only two options - or make the storages permanently abandon Crimea and LDNR, and the Georgians from Abkhazia and North. Ossetia, or to go across the NATO charter and accept fans of cheap mattresses in their block in order to drag their missiles to the borders of Russia. Most likely they will stop on the second option, for the Americans not to get used to changing horses at the crossing, today I want, tomorrow I do not want, easy gentlemen, what can be taken from them ...
    1. ferdiperdozzz
      ferdiperdozzz 29 May 2018 11: 16
      +2
      South Ossetia, damn it
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 29 May 2018 11: 28
        0
        Quote: ferdiperdozzz
        South Ossetia, damn it

        Reasonable remark!
  11. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 29 May 2018 10: 57
    +1
    "We must accept Ukraine and Georgia into NATO" ...
    I watch the guys from impunity are completely stunned!
    They didn’t answer for Yugoslavia, they didn’t answer for Iraq, Libya failed ...
    They think the same thing happens with Russia?
    Putin said: “Never drive anyone into a corner” !!!
  12. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 29 May 2018 10: 58
    0
    where are the Georgians from Georgia and where is the North Atlantic? is Mongolia also in the Atlantic?
    1. aloleggry
      aloleggry 29 May 2018 12: 04
      0
      And it’s true, how did NATO forget about Mongolia? It’s a convenient bridgehead.
  13. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 29 May 2018 11: 01
    0
    and I wrote a very long time ago that NATO will accept even those who have disputed territories.
  14. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 29 May 2018 11: 06
    +2
    and what then will be the status of anti-terrorist operation upon joining NATO?
    1. novel66
      novel66 29 May 2018 11: 24
      +2
      police anti-terrorist operation, everyone will be changed into police officers. tanks will be equipped with water jets
    2. Meshcheryak
      Meshcheryak 29 May 2018 11: 49
      +1
      This is already not the ATO, if someone has not heard, and in order to fight with us and NATO is not necessary.
  15. igorserg
    igorserg 29 May 2018 11: 08
    0
    There is no one talking about forgetting. As far as I understand, the Poles just want to bypass the charter ... for the first time or something. Poles and Baltic people work for the USA in terms of pushing the EU. If Ukraine is admitted to NATO, the EU will find it difficult to turn its back on the war in Donbass. Here the USA will have everything it wants in terms of economic war.
  16. axiles100682
    axiles100682 29 May 2018 11: 11
    0
    The admission to NATO of Ukraine, Georgia, and the like. It’s like a person’s voluntary swallowing of healing worms. NATO will destroy it.
  17. gukoyan
    gukoyan 29 May 2018 11: 16
    0
    Let the Ruin enter Nat)
    In this case, either the alliance will fall apart, or it will go bankrupt, or it will simply be kicked back for the grandmother to beg)
  18. weksha50
    weksha50 29 May 2018 11: 16
    +1
    "It is necessary in a short time to provide Kiev and Tbilisi with the opportunity to be part of the North Atlantic Alliance"...

    How would it be possible, without violating the rules of VO, and even more so - the Constitution and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, to suggest the correct alternative move - returning walking siblings to the bosom of the family? Without asking their consent ... request lol
    PS By the way, there may again be a failure in my hollow: have the border between Ukraine and the Russian Federation been brought to mind in terms of international law?
    1. novel66
      novel66 29 May 2018 11: 25
      +2
      somewhere yes. but on the territory of LDNR - hardly
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 May 2018 11: 55
        +2
        Quote: novel xnumx
        somewhere yes. but on the territory of LDNR - hardly

        Yes, it seems that nowhere has the border been demarcated. No international agreements have been signed on this subject. Or am I missing something on this topic?
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 May 2018 11: 57
          +1
          how so and where was the fence built? they have an egg?
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 29 May 2018 12: 05
            +1
            Quote: novel xnumx
            how so and where was the fence built? they have an egg?

            So this is an unofficial border. The division is along the border lines of the RSFSR and the USSR. And INTERSTATE borders do not legally exist.
            1. novel66
              novel66 29 May 2018 12: 07
              +3
              t, e landlings can be cut so far without a special bazaar?
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 29 May 2018 12: 42
                +1
                Crimea has already been "slaughtered."
  19. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 29 May 2018 11: 17
    +1
    And who doubted that for the sake of their goals the partners would go to any violations
    1. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 29 May 2018 11: 35
      +1
      The most it express concern, especially Macron certainly promised investment
  20. Meshcheryak
    Meshcheryak 29 May 2018 11: 19
    +3
    Everything becomes closer and closer what was told on OBZh and GO. [/ Quote]
    Someone else doubts?)))
  21. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 29 May 2018 11: 20
    +2
    Let them be sure to!
    Long time ago Europe did not know grief!
    Fattened Hans, Wenceslas and Pierre.
    1. Meshcheryak
      Meshcheryak 29 May 2018 11: 58
      +1
      They will not accept, unfortunately.
  22. Sarmat Sanych
    Sarmat Sanych 29 May 2018 11: 27
    +1

    Et that turns out - Petya Porosyanko in vain chtol NATe bowed? With all the meady darling to them, and they foot in the ass? Sob sob((
    1. Meshcheryak
      Meshcheryak 29 May 2018 12: 00
      +1
      Test picture!))) Obviously parsley in the infinite zagul!)))
  23. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 29 May 2018 11: 30
    0
    Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Moravecki turned out to be one of the most zealous advocates for Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO
    Well, whose cow would moo !!!
  24. freddyk
    freddyk 29 May 2018 11: 35
    +4
    I think the problem is not in NATO, Ukraine, Georgia, etc., but in Russia. As Russia has set itself, so they relate to it. As the saying goes, first you work for authority, then authority works for you. Well, not the authority of Russia for the world, unfortunately
  25. bald
    bald 29 May 2018 11: 43
    0
    Most likely they’ll take it, the entrance is free - the way forward is with your feet. Ordinary people are sorry, suffering from these tricks. Nata is already fooled (they took the burden on herself), and taking a couple more they will “skunk”, just for the sake of mincemeat.
  26. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 29 May 2018 11: 53
    +1
    Over the ears, they will drag in! And the hedgehog is clear that, for a long time, all this fuss is happening for this ..
  27. 1536
    1536 29 May 2018 12: 02
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    I will say this: the roots of everything that happens are growing from the defeat of the USSR in the Cold War, we are simply reaping the fruits of this very defeat. Of course, it is regrettable to admit it, but nothing can be done about it. Almost thirty years have passed since then, and we can’t minimize the losses associated with this defeat. Often, we do not even recognize this at the state level. It is necessary to do this, and not waste time and energy on fruitless discussion of what is happening. NATO and the Pentagon are far from fools. They understand that in the case of increased centrifugal processes both in Russia and in Eastern Europe as a whole, it will take strength to restrain these centrifugal processes, not allowing chaos like the Middle East, and also to prevent China from approaching and strengthening. Those. we are talking about long-term forecasts of the development of European history, which Western analysts consider correct in this case. This is the result that was obtained after the “new thinking” and “perestroika” proclaimed by Gorbachev and his henchmen. O brave new world ... Does anyone else want to walk the streets and squares in the futile hope of receiving a good present from this “world" instead of painstaking everyday work? Affectionately requested, as they say.
  28. zoolu350
    zoolu350 29 May 2018 12: 07
    +1
    Well what to say. The owners of the Fed well done. If the established rules interfere with the matter, we change the rules. And the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, as always, in the "framework of legality" for tolerated. Well, what are the adherents of the KhPP, where do you put your thoughts about the fact that without Crimea the territory of Ukraine does not need NATO? How are you yelling: "yourself, yourself", now eat a full spoon.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 30 May 2018 12: 16
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      You should only clap your hands and gallop. How do you like to rejoice when any troubles arise in Russia.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 3 June 2018 04: 36
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        These troubles in the Russian Federation arise from betrayal, cowardice and greed of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, which does NOTHING in order to interfere with the plans of the Fed owners.
  29. tagil
    tagil 29 May 2018 12: 09
    +4
    Exceptional in a hurry, they have little time. They need a war, a big war, and the faster the better. From the borders of Ukraine to Moscow one throw. And Ukrainians will go in the forefront and there are several tens of millions. NATO needed to be stopped immediately as soon as they talked about the deployment of troops in the Baltic states, even at the cost of war and destruction of foreign soldiers when they landed on its territory and occupied with all the ensuing consequences, hanging on the pillars of the Nazis and their presidents (Saddam example). We were silent. These bullshit didn't stop and now it's too late to show red lines. They can only be stopped by destroying. And this is war. Otherwise, sooner or later they will destroy us. Everything is simple.
    1. Old bun
      Old bun 29 May 2018 13: 06
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      I agree! More and more prerequisites. For a long time there was no big war. The world has forgotten the horrors. This is scary. Not even Nuclear - it's scary.
      1. tagil
        tagil 29 May 2018 13: 31
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        Yesterday I accidentally watched Solovyov where Kedmi laid out everything on the shelves and this is true. Ours and there was nothing to answer. And yes, this is scary, because they are closer than the Germans in 41, which means there will be a lot of deaths and they will come as the Germans destroy us (and they do not hide it), only completely, they do not need their slaves in Europe.
  30. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 May 2018 12: 12
    +2
    Yes, they will not accept ... This is only necessary for the Poles. Their ambition will overwhelm ... The Germans will stoop. Probably.
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  32. Amateur
    Amateur 29 May 2018 13: 08
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    "One of the most zealous advocates for Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO as a politician was Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Moravecki." Well, since the most important one in NATO said, then everyone stood at attention and answered: "Yes, I’m listening, your innocent bubble."
  33. Kibl
    Kibl 29 May 2018 13: 15
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    And I, as an EU citizen, against the entry of Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and the EU! Why are they needed, their parasites are above the roof, and also all the trash from Africa and the Middle East!
    1. Topgun
      Topgun 29 May 2018 14: 18
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      production is gradually being taken out of China (recently in my city the Europeans opened a new factory).
      all of the Baltic states - 3 villages in the forests, with half of the people leaving for Britain and spreading to Europe, and someone should work in the new factories that are transported from China, so do not write nonsense, especially since no one will ask you :))
  34. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 29 May 2018 13: 34
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    When will Moscow begin to act? We must recall the policy of ultimatums. All installed missile defense systems must be dismantled! All trade relations must be stopped with hohland - do we have a war or gatherings?
  35. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 29 May 2018 18: 06
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    Quote: freddyk
    Well, not the authority of Russia for the world, unfortunately

    Wanted to say for Europe?
  36. Compasure
    Compasure 30 May 2018 01: 13
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    Quote: Gargantua
    Quote: Spartanez300
    These two territories are of no more interest to NATO than cannon fodder and a foothold.

    Or maybe you don’t need to think so narrowly and remove the veil from the eyes draped in propaganda? Joining NATO practically guarantees them security, the absence of conflicts with neighbors, paves the way for accession to the EU (Turkey is not an indicator here, because all the rest sooner or later joined the EU). Of course, there are minuses too. For example, deprivation of sovereignty. But most countries are ready to give up on this.

    And why is Turkey not an indicator? Does not fit into your wording))
  37. Jubilee
    Jubilee 30 May 2018 11: 19
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    now kakly and genatsvale heal ...
  38. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 May 2018 12: 11
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    We need to relate to this from the point of view of our security and economic benefits, taking into account centuries-old traditions and relations between our peoples. I do not think that joining NATO will give these peoples something positive. The ruling elite is rushing there with moneybags, but they never thought of people, by the way, as well as ours.
  39. BOB044
    BOB044 1 June 2018 13: 09
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    Ukraine is in NATO and we are in Novorossia.
  40. Michail Fresko
    Michail Fresko 5 June 2018 16: 55
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    If already the IMF, the global banker, has changed its Charter for Ukraine ..
    What is stopping foul NATO from doing this?
    To just spoil Russia, they are ready to eat their shit.