BMP with the letter "U": a brilliant decision of the Ukrainian defense industry

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BMP with the letter "U": a brilliant decision of the Ukrainian defense industry


I always thought that at least I understand the meaning of most commonly used terms in Russian. After all, the native language. Yes, and teachers in the school were quite good. For example, a pessimist is one who puts the last penny on a rainy day. An optimist, on the contrary, postpones the same penny to a bright future.



My confidence in the knowledge of the Russian language was shaken by the Ukrainian designers of combat vehicles. More precisely, the designers of the state enterprise "Kharkiv Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering named after A. Morozov". Explain to me: who could write this, a pessimist or an optimist?

"Ukrainian State Concern" Ukroboronprom "24 May 2018 of the year, said that the state enterprise" Kharkiv mechanical engineering design bureau. A. A. Morozova ", part of the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies, is working on the creation of a new generation of combat vehicles, which should be adopted by the Ukrainian army in the 2020-s. Designers and engineers of the KMDB are now focused on the creation of BMP-U, a new infantry fighting vehicle, which should replace the BMP-1 and BMP-2. "

Of course, I understand that in most of us, Soviet, the same worm of greatness of the USSR still creeps. We launched a man into space, we won the war, the greatest industrial enterprises built ...

We were the best on this planet. Well, or the second of the best. It already depends on the political views of everyone. This is about that same glass of vodka, in which one still has half a glass, and the second has only half a glass left ...

And these phantom pains do not give rest to Kharkov designers. No, I don’t want to talk humbly about the engineers from this city, they really knew how and could at one time. But the greatness of the Soviet design thought, some are obviously in vain transferred to the great Ukroboronprom, and the Soviet design school to Ukraine. With all the achievements and victories. In vain, I repeat.

And the statement that I quoted is also full of drawings. The new sample of the universal BMP. The drawings are really wonderful. No caricatures are needed. The main thing is that Kharkov designers, more precisely, drawing designers, took into account their wishes. Even the wishes of the Russians! Look carefully.







Remember how much bile you splashed onto a unique tank "Navozets", oh ... "Azovets", because of Chinese-made door eyes? Only lazy then did not speak about the use of these optical devices. And so - please. Instead of these unreliable devices, the perspective model will have well-proven, including in battle, rear-view mirrors from KrAZ.

True, here it is necessary to slightly modify the design. The driver is unlikely to see the right mirror. Here it is necessary to make a mirror or a forward, or to change places of the mechanic drive and the car commander. Yes, and when firing, these mirrors will take their own turn.

I see directly the officer of the SBU, who is responsible for the technical documentation of the new machine.

- Polubatko, check if there are any American spies around!

“Okay, sir ...”

After all, the Americans somehow did not think of it. And we, judging by the fact that I even have a document, have already copied everything.

Yes, KrAZ and one more necessary equipment shared with Kharkiv residents. See how beautiful the rear feet look. Such an infantry fighting vehicle travels along the Kiev-Odessa highway and does not bother anyone. Brake - reds ignited. Decided to turn - orange. Well, and in reverse will go - the little white will burn. In European it.

"BMP-U is designed for transportation and fire support of ground units. It provides reliable crew protection as part of the 3 members and 7 paratroopers. According to calculations, the level of protection of the BMP-U on 10-12% is higher than the BTR-4. In addition, the engine-transmission the compartment is located at the front of the hull, which guarantees a greater level of crew protection. "

Oh cunning Kharkov ... Not at 10-12% percent protection anymore. I think percent on 50-60%. And maybe more. It seems to me that we simply must see the best in everything. True, I know from experience that for a long time it is better not to look closely at this side.

And then someone will think about hitting the projectile in the engine compartment from some ZSU or even from a large-caliber machine gun. The engine will protect the landing, but the car will turn into a target. Marines to jump out under fire on the battlefield is not very comfortable.

Especially when you consider that they will have to jump through the back door exactly where the combat module will be. There is simply no other way. Neatly around all these devices for storing shells, ammunition, all these automatic devices for pointing and turning the combat module and the like, squeezed through - and at the door ... Shmyg ... under the bullets of the enemy.

I again remembered phantom pains. Was in stories Kharkov plant really amazing car. The machine, which, despite its advanced age, is still used in many armies of the world. Motoliga! The famous MT-LB!

I will reveal the little secret of what we see in the pictures. In common parlance, this is called "spying the idea." On an industrial scale, a similar machine on the basis of a motor-cart made by the Bulgarians. True, instead of a beautifully named combat module, they installed ZSU 2-23 there.







And in the form that Kharkov craftsmen drew, the cars were in Karabakh. Armenians are handy people. And ZSU installed there, and more weapon. The question is, why it was necessary to force volunteers to suffer with drawings, and only volunteers or pupils of the lower grades at the Fine Arts Institute can draw so beautiful and illiterate when it is easier to ask one of the Armenians to call in Karabakh and send a photo of the car.

No, I understand that in Kharkov the technique is constructed by geniuses. It is always easier to criticize. Well, imagine you will criticize a cow all your life for its inability to climb trees. So she herself will believe that a fool.

And the Ukrainian designers really set themselves great goals. Today we have 2018 year. And here is a quotation from the message: "KMDB has already developed design documentation, and the production of a prototype and the initial set of tests will take place in the 2019 year."

Imagine how now Russian designers are tearing hair on their heads. Two years from drawing to adoption. These are geniuses! I would not be surprised that now somewhere on the "Uralvagon" the windows are urgently hammered with nails, and all piercing and cutting objects are taken away from the specialists. Creative people are so emotional ... Whatever they do to themselves after reading the following quotation.

“To ensure high maneuverability and speed on the battlefield, the BMP-U will be equipped with a 735 hp diesel engine and automatic transmission. Given the mass of the new infantry fighting vehicle at 25-27 tons, the BMP-U specific power is at 27-29 hp / t. This figure significantly exceeds the specific power of the BMP-1 (21-23 hp / t.) and even modern main combat tanks".

I hasten to reassure employees of our defense enterprises. Judging by the fact that the German engine is installed on the Ukrainian BTR-4, unemployment does not threaten you. More years ... a lot.

Yes, I completely forgot about the combat unit.

“A new BM-8 combat module with improved characteristics has been selected for arming the BMP-U. It is equipped with an 30-mm automatic cannon, automatic grenade launcher, machine gun, as well as guided anti-tank missiles Barrier.

Remember the most delicious dish you have ever cooked? Well, when something with something and no one knows how to cook? It's about the same here. Someone will explain where the dead / blind zone of this combat module got to? Naturally, with such an installation on the machine, as shown in the figures. And how is it planned to deploy troops?

Again, no one knows how it is prepared? Although for such a masterpiece of design thought it is uncritical. But unlike the Russian samples. Tseevropa - this is not a Mongol-Tatar horde.

You can figure out something short to figure something to the nose and conclude, will take off or not? Probably you can. Tell yourself the proposal "looked at this future infantry fighting vehicle of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and I realized that it is absolutely not suitable for modern combat." Someone used a word of three letters, one of five, but everyone is right. All right.

But on the basis of this platform, we will see more commander vehicles, command and staff, reconnaissance, medical, evacuation and others. Plans, of course, many.

The reality is somewhat different. But tested and laid out in the space-time continuum. This is especially important when implementing the announced project of the Kharkov plant named after Malyshev. Take the guys body from the BMP-1. Hang on it gum different, and on top will adapt this most combat module BM-8. Weld mirrors and put brake lights even at the level at which the industry of Ukraine is today, will not be a problem.

The modern defense complex of Ukraine already has its own traditions. And traditions must be respected. Just for example, another quote from Ukroboronprom, which perfectly shows the capabilities of its enterprises. In particular, the Kharkov Aviation Plant. “According to the contract, at the beginning of summer we will manufacture and ship to our customer, the Ukrainian Armored Plant (Zhytomyr BTRZ) three sets of trucks, and then another 20. One set is a pair of tracks for one combat vehicle and spare parts,” said the Director of the Production Department KSAMC Vyacheslav Rachinsky.

For the production of this product at the Kharkov Aviation Plant several workshops will be fully loaded during the year.

And with the genius of the Ukrainian designers, the situation is exactly the same as with the legality in their country. What triumphs the victory is legal. What the "experts" in the government drew, it is brilliant. A couple of years ago, we laughed at a schoolboy who taught designers on his cardboard model how to create tanks correctly. Taught, it seems ...

Based on materials DK "Ukroboronprom".
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  1. +10
    28 May 2018 07: 16
    BMP-U? Misery? Or humiliation?
    1. +2
      28 May 2018 07: 31
      For this word they can ban forever ....
    2. +6
      28 May 2018 07: 38
      Quote: NEXUS
      BMP-U? Misery? Or humiliation?

      Ugliness
    3. +10
      28 May 2018 10: 48
      Quote: NEXUS
      BMP-U? Misery? Or humiliation?

      And our "Kurgan-25", the figure is what? Twenty-five years of waiting or twenty-five front cars?
      1. +9
        28 May 2018 11: 13
        25 cockroaches in the head of a seasoned omnipotent and a caterpillar.
      2. +3
        28 May 2018 21: 20
        Mass in full gear, in tons.
      3. 0
        April 2 2023 04: 15
        Rather, both at the same time. Twenty-five years of waiting before entering the troops, but for now twenty-five front cars.
    4. +8
      28 May 2018 11: 44
      Sin to laugh at sick people
    5. +3
      28 May 2018 13: 08
      You might think that we’re not trying to “finish off a bit” and give out “miraculous technology” without any analogues in the world? - calm down already! Everyone dances as best he can ...
      1. +3
        28 May 2018 13: 37
        Quote: tchoni
        You might think that we’re not trying to “finish off a bit” and give out “miraculous technology” without any analogues in the world?

        No one is trying to give out a new “penny” for a miracle, everyone understands perfectly well that this is a temporary measure, let’s say even more, this is our mobile reserve. What we lack is the ability not only to put the Kurganets into the stream, to produce BMP-3 in the right amount. But even so, the machine turned out wow ...
        1. 0
          April 2 2023 04: 18
          But even so, the car turned out to be nothing ...
          I personally don't see anything good in this car. The armor, as it was cardboard, remained so.
    6. +2
      28 May 2018 21: 19
      "" U "means" Despondency ":)
  2. +8
    28 May 2018 07: 18
    There was a really amazing car in the history of the Kharkov plant. The machine, which, despite its advanced age, is still used in many armies of the world. Motolyga! The famous MT-LB!
    There was and is, only NOT THAT Kharkov plant. MT-LB is the brainchild of KhTZ ... of a tractor plant, and the Malyshev Plant is a completely different enterprise and they already tried to make BMPs based on their T-64
    1. +2
      28 May 2018 07: 40
      Fuel oil, all T-64 so smoke? Or is it just diesel not warmed up?

      But in fact, the idea is correct. The machine carries the landing, and can take on some of the tasks of the tank.
      Actually this BMPT shows that in 30-35 tons it is possible to create really high-protected cars.
      1. +5
        28 May 2018 07: 56
        Quote: demiurg
        Actually this BMPT shows that in 30-35 tons it is possible to create really high-protected cars.

        Actually, the Israelis have long shown this with their "Namer"

        1. +8
          28 May 2018 08: 06
          The intent is already overtaxed for the Russian or European theater. He will crawl through the deserts, and even in a small state. Jews in booking and concern for the crew crossed the line of reason.
          Everything runs in circles of about 30-35 tons, if we consider equipment that will fight not only in the desert. The tanks became heavier, began to weigh 50 tons or more, their place was taken by infantry fighting vehicles, slowly but surely approaching the cherished weight. And instead of BMPs and armored personnel carriers, 15–20 tons each climbed MRI.
          A tank gun is not needed everywhere, as a rule you can get by with 12.5-30mm, but infantry needs armor all the time.
          1. +3
            28 May 2018 08: 17
            Quote: demiurg
            but infantry needs armor all the time.

            Armor is needed, but different. We also need one that does not interfere with sailing and landing from aircraft. Operational maneuverability is often more useful for infantry success and health than extra millimeters of armor
            1. +5
              28 May 2018 10: 09
              Everyone here laughs from the ruins ’crafts .. I don’t like the MTLB with the turret from the BTR .. how about our MTLB 5mv? Which is the same with the turret from the BTR-80?
              They’re doing a lot of bad things. It’s a lot of jambs, it’s clear that only you, who are all rumbling over the gloomy genius of Bandera’s technical thought, forget whether the car is bad, the jambs are to hell, but it has the function of shooting and killing. And they can do this.
              So then the humor of the article is clearly not appropriate.
              1. +8
                28 May 2018 10: 20
                Do you read carefully? Ukrogrob on caterpillars exists only in the form of a picture.
                1. +2
                  28 May 2018 12: 48
                  The fact that in the form of a drawing it is of little interest to me that they paint there in the form of all sorts of miracles, I say that it is already in service with the Armed Forces of Ruin.
                  1. +2
                    28 May 2018 18: 56
                    They are now armed with the wonderful Navozets tank, a pair of makeshift armored cars, and also junk left over from the times of the USSR, which they had not yet managed to sell or break.
                    1. +3
                      28 May 2018 19: 47
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      which they have not yet managed to sell or break.

                      Is that all your knowledge?
                      We’ll throw our hats, isn't it, Urya-patriet?
                      1. +6
                        28 May 2018 20: 11
                        Of course! APU is a rabble of drunks and drug addicts, even militiamen armed with one small firearm smashed them at the very least I can. And volunteer punitive battalions are also no better in terms of combat effectiveness. All kinds of scum were recorded there, in order to receive a thousand hryvnias a day, as Poroshenko promised them, as well as to rob, rape and kill “cotton wool” and “Colorado”. And as you know, the robber and killer have very little incentive to take risks. Instead of attacking fortified positions, he will sit out or go to another, safer place to rob and torture.
                        If the Armed Forces of Ukraine are combat-ready, then what are they not trying to “liberate from Russian occupation” in Crimea? Poroshenko screams everywhere that in the Donbass, Russian troops, almost 200 thousand troops. So what's the difference where to fight with the Russian army: in the Donbass or in the Crimea?
                    2. +3
                      28 May 2018 23: 10
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      APU is rabble

                      ALL? Is your knowledge over?
                      Underestimating the enemy, the path to defeat.
                      The Russian Armed Forces in the Donbass is not at war.
                      1. +3
                        29 May 2018 00: 40
                        The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation did not fight in the Donbass, they would have fought, the Armed Forces would have reached Kuev in 24 hours, as the Georgians had fled in 2008.
                    3. 0
                      29 May 2018 09: 02
                      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                      The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation did not fight in the Donbass, they would have fought, the Armed Forces would have reached Kuev in 24 hours, as the Georgians had fled in 2008.

                      Then what are you talking about?
                      Are you so formidable from the couch or right now in the trench, in the Donbass, running, stumbling?
                      Once again, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation do not conduct military operations in the Donbass.
            2. 0
              April 2 2023 04: 35
              Armor is needed, but different. We also need one that does not interfere with swimming and landing from aircraft.
              Yes, forget about it already. You can't combine incompatible things. And sacrificing armor protection for the sake of buoyancy is at least stupid! Who needs this buoyancy and the ability to land if the car does not even pass two kilometers on the battlefield with cardboard armor. In addition, where have you recently seen the massive use of technology for the ability to swim? Where have you seen the recent mass landing of equipment in a real military conflict? The requirement for equipment to have buoyancy and at the same time sufficient armor protection is a Procrustean bed.
          2. +5
            28 May 2018 10: 54
            Quote: demiurg
            The intent is already overtaxed for the Russian or European theater. He will crawl through the deserts, and even in a small state. Jews in booking and concern for the crew crossed the line of reason.

            well, but Ahzarit based on the t55? is also for the desert. But as far as I know there are no tanks for the desert or for the black earth, but there is a specific pressure per cm square. If I'm wrong, then tanker Sergey will correct me
            1. +5
              28 May 2018 11: 29
              Quote: igor67
              If I'm wrong, then tanker Sergey will correct me

              With great pleasure...
              Quote: igor67
              .Only as far as I know there are no tanks for the desert or for the black earth, but there is a specific pressure per cm square

              Rather, there are tanks for terrain without bridges and with bridges. For the most part, it is the carrying capacity of bridges that is the criterion that now limits the use of tanks. Remember the tragic situation with the Indian Arjun Mk.II, who could not get past the nearest bridge.
              1. +2
                28 May 2018 13: 30
                Quote: svp67
                Remember the tragic situation with the Indian Arjun Mk.II, who could not get past the nearest bridge.

                we now have many new bridges across the gorge https://barzel.livejournal.com/219196.html here is the link, and tanks are being transported along them,
                1. +2
                  28 May 2018 16: 48
                  Quote: igor67
                  we now have many new bridges across the gorge https://barzel.livejournal.com/219196.html here is the link, and tanks are being transported along them,

                  It’s easier for you. And our country is very large, with a bunch of rivers and more viscous soils. And if anything, do not ask European countries to build new bridges so that our tanks going to the English Channel withstand. So you have to keep within 50 tons. crying
            2. +4
              28 May 2018 15: 27
              Ahzarit, taking into account the fact that the tower was removed from it, became heavier by almost 10 tons. To compensate for the large mass, they put a diesel engine more powerful, at the same time deploying it along the hull (the tower, or rather its shoulder strap, then there is nothing, nothing interferes). On hard soils, mobility remains the same, if not improved. But in all sorts of ... mud this car will bury itself at its very best quickly, decisively and inevitably.

              In the same way, you can find videos like the second leopards, especially 3-4 modernizations, early abrams, without any B2 seps, confidently crawling, if not in the swamps, then in normal tank ranges. But piglets of the level of Leo-2a 6/7, late abrams crawl only on steep slopes, or breaking sheds, scared of dirt like a devil incense. The warrior here in an ancient theme with pride the photo merkava in the mud showed what I can say. On Lada with summer tires you can drive through this dirt without yanking the clutch.
              1. 0
                28 May 2018 15: 41
                Quote: demiurg
                The warrior here in an ancient theme with pride the photo merkava in the mud showed what I can say.

                Yes, I saw not only the photo, but also the dirt itself, it is clay or clay, I don’t know, but I threw away one pair of shoes, this mass sticks so hard to wash,
                1. 0
                  29 May 2018 17: 17
                  to wash - just not a problem, a problem to drive through SO kilometers 200-300 ...
                  Merkava range of operations with a distance of kilometers in 500- not tested
                  1. 0
                    29 May 2018 19: 45
                    Quote: your1970
                    to wash - just not a problem, a problem to drive through SO kilometers 200-300 ...
                    Merkava range of operations with a distance of kilometers in 500- not tested

                    the entire length of Israel 500 km wink ,
                    1. 0
                      29 May 2018 21: 40
                      Quote: igor67
                      Quote: your1970
                      to wash - just not a problem, a problem to drive through SO kilometers 200-300 ...
                      Merkava range of operations with a distance of kilometers in 500- not tested

                      the entire length of Israel 500 km wink ,
                      - that's what I wrote about
          3. 0
            30 May 2018 21: 19
            Abrams is transported only on special railway platforms for the transport of Abrams
            Leopard, for transportation, change shoes in special tracks for transportation by railway
            Mervkava is not transportable.
            Russian tanks on the move are transported by any railway platforms.
            1. 0
              30 May 2018 21: 29
              Quote: Bratkov Oleg
              Mervkava is not transportable.

              but in Israel they know about it?
              1. 0
                30 May 2018 21: 31
                not a train of course but .......
            2. 0
              31 May 2018 09: 07
              You have not beguiled Leopard 2 with the Tiger?
            3. 0
              April 2 2023 04: 41
              Quote: Bratkov Oleg
              Abrams is transported only on special railway platforms for the transport of Abrams
              Leopard, for transportation, change shoes in special tracks for transportation by railway
              Mervkava is not transportable.
              Russian tanks on the move are transported by any railway platforms.

              fool DO NOT SHUT OUT!
          4. 0
            April 2 2023 04: 24
            The Jews in booking and concern for the crew crossed the line of reason.
            It is unreasonable, and I said it gently, to sacrifice armor protection for the sake of buoyancy. And the Israelis are great! This is what real concern for soldiers means.
        2. +1
          28 May 2018 11: 28
          This is not Namer, this is some kind of Mouse without a tower ...
          1. +2
            28 May 2018 11: 30
            Quote: sabakina
            This is not Namer, this is some kind of Mouse without a tower ...

            For that WITHOUT LOSS
            1. 0
              30 May 2018 21: 20
              ... against unarmed Palestinians.
              Israel will never be forgiven the occupation of Palestine.
          2. 0
            April 2 2023 05: 17
            Quote: sabakina
            This is not Namer, this is some kind of Mouse without a tower ...
            Here is Namer with the tower.
      2. +4
        28 May 2018 10: 50
        Quote: demiurg
        Fuel oil, all T-64 so smoke? Or is it just diesel not warmed up?

        Gray smoke - the engine throws oil through the piston rings. Apparently the engine is far from new.
    2. +1
      28 May 2018 07: 44
      Quote: svp67
      "Malysheva Plant" is a completely different enterprise

      In civilian life it’s “KhzTM named after Malyshev” and he was known for diesel locomotives and diesel diesel generators 2D-100 and 10D100. Military products were not advertised.
  3. +3
    28 May 2018 07: 36
    Or maybe it's a kind of technical humor? They laugh at themselves ..?
  4. +6
    28 May 2018 07: 44
    Yes, a dog with them ... Why joke over a poor country trying to prove its own greatness? Elections there soon. There that do not create a problem will remain the same. There will be no one to fight. Ukrainians do not want to fight. Do not see the point. There are of course at the forefront of the unit
    sharpened by self-hypnosis to recapture from "padded jackets
    territory of New Russia, but until the first serious losses. And this is not enough even for local success. As for the rest - fools are dying less and less for power that both their relatives and their relatives hate, and indeed relatives or lives or works in Russia
  5. +3
    28 May 2018 08: 47
    Sauce pans still see themselves as “sluggish,” although they have long fallen below the level of Bulgaria and Romania. They even plain armored cars can’t really do, what can we say about BMP? The engine is German, the box is also probably some kind of French, the cannon will be cannibalized from the BMP-2 left over from the “cursed heritage of the scoop”, but how barrowers can cook armored hulls can be clearly seen from the armored personnel carriers intended for Iraq. So in the end, maybe they’ll build a couple of prototypes, Pedro Poroshenko will again demonstrate them with pathos and once again "It’s enough to say goodbye to the Soviet (Russian) empire). But nothing more, and most likely, it won’t go beyond the drawings. Again, Sumerians Peremoga smoothly flows into zrada.
  6. +3
    28 May 2018 08: 57
    Yes, you did not understand the prostg) the landing will come out from below) there the curtain is pushed back and they will fall face down on the go)
    1. +2
      28 May 2018 09: 34
      they will do the bomb.
  7. +5
    28 May 2018 09: 01
    Here's an interesting question: how do the authors relate to the BMP \ BTR series Kurganets-25? Indeed, in fact, this painted ukrobmp (most likely in metal we will not see it) and our perspective are very, very similar (at least in layout). Consequently, some of the shortcomings presented in the article may be relevant for Kurganets.
    Z.Y. It may be enough to wash Ukrainian technical paradoxes already, it has long been clear that they will not give birth to anything new. And so it turns out stupidly heating Ukrainian hysteria on the site. Maybe it's better to write about something really relevant? About the same Ajax for example, but before the heap with Kurganets compare it, see what happens? And then one propaganda is obtained.
    1. +4
      28 May 2018 09: 16
      Kurgan has not yet been adopted and is undergoing military trials. And to compare the Ukrainian pattern with the existing prototype is simply ridiculous. You can draw anything, even though blaster guns and jet engines, the paper will endure everything. Well, about the extreme wretchedness of the Sumerian fantasy, we can conclude from the KrAZ mirrors, and this is when the rear view camera now stands at half the cars and it costs a penny. Ukroshumery and stuck in their wretchedness and limitation in the 90s.
      1. +6
        28 May 2018 09: 32
        And then someone will think about hitting the projectile in the engine compartment from some ZSU or even from a large-caliber machine gun. The engine will protect the landing, but the car will turn into a target. Marines to jump out under fire on the battlefield is not very comfortable.

        Especially when you consider that they will have to jump through the back door exactly where the combat module will be. There is simply no other way. Neatly around all these devices for storing shells, ammunition, all these automatic devices for pointing and turning the combat module and the like, squeezed through - and at the door ... Shmyg ... under the bullets of the enemy.

        Regarding comparisons, I was interested in this particular piece of text. Here the author, trying to criticize hohlobmp, criticizes essentially the whole concept of modern bmp, because they all look alike. I brought a Kurgan because he is ours, and it turns out that the author himself, without noticing it, tells us that he, too, is to some extent crap (although I bet you ask the author about our new line, then there will be reviews laudatory)

        About the paper that will endure. Everything is simple here. We are now engaged in discussing a concept that even plastic does not have, not like metal? The question is, what for? Here's a penny to him, but about him they already banged an entire article. And so stable. There will be the next Ukrainian concept - we will discuss it. Let him have at least a warp drive in the picture - it doesn’t matter. About him, anyway, someone will write an article and post it here for the sake of propaganda.
        1. +2
          28 May 2018 09: 52
          Since the Maidan began, I have already stopped watching humorous programs, news from Ukraine will be amused by a cleaner Zadornova, KVN, Kamedi and Nasha Rashi. And the funny thing is that the horses themselves believe in all this wassat .
          1. +3
            28 May 2018 13: 02
            The horses believe in everything around the world. They do not have nationality and are available in all countries. If you want to see this, you don’t need to watch TV, many people should look in the mirror.
            1. +1
              28 May 2018 18: 58
              The Russians, at least, are not zombified and do not jump in tens of thousands on the squares and did not run to cast their 56% of the vote for the oligarch huckster, like Grudinin.
              1. 0
                28 May 2018 20: 43
                I’m not going to arrange a hohlosrach with you or, moreover, to convince me of something, spending time and energy on this. I can only say that such a form of existence as a horse implies a variety of types of jumping. This is such a collective term, which in each country has its own forms, not necessarily hopping.
                Regarding zombies and voting - thanks, laughed.
                And look in the mirror, look.
                1. +2
                  28 May 2018 20: 59
                  You are the presidential candidate in 2014, you have chosen the worst option. I don’t understand how it was possible to vote for this huckster? In my opinion, even Tymoshenko is more adequate, at least when she was the prime minister, she was not so disgraced as the boar is disgraced now.
                  1. 0
                    28 May 2018 22: 52
                    I understand that in 1991 and 1996 you chose the best option?
                    1. +1
                      29 May 2018 00: 43
                      In 1991, the Russians were naive, gullible Soviet people, and therefore jumped for Yeltsin. In 1996, the elections were rigged, which no one denies. The Russians, on the other hand, learn from their mistakes and do not jump for Grudinin, Navalny or Sobchak. But you do not study, and continue to ride for American puppets.
                      1. 0
                        29 May 2018 08: 46
                        Thanks for the interesting discussion, you have confirmed my initial assumption. All the best.
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          2. +3
            28 May 2018 22: 37
            I don’t really care what the horses believe in. It’s much more that our media are trying to show us how bad it is in Ukraine. This article is a prime example. We’ve gotten to the point that they suck more about every pepelats made of shit and sticks by some craftsman on the other side of the border than any really modern military tool (the same ajax or abrams sep v4), and it’s all presented as if these crafts are the pinnacle of Ukrainian engineering. And against this background, an eye on the Russian Federation is also being made, saying that there would have been no Maidan in Ukraine - we would have lived like us. And so they came. And articles of this kind have recently been divorced so much - that at least stand, even fall ...
            1. +2
              29 May 2018 10: 53
              Quote: Meliodous
              And articles of this kind have recently been divorced so much - that at least stand, even fall ...

              There is an order, a need. Work is probably paid. And "people hawala" so that behind the ears it crunches.
        2. +3
          28 May 2018 10: 53
          Quote: Meliodous
          Here the author, trying to criticize hohlobmp, criticizes essentially the whole concept of modern bmp

          Motolyga not BMP and not even armored personnel carriers.
          1. 0
            28 May 2018 22: 39
            It's not about MTLB, but about the BMP-U concept. It just has the external features of a modern bmp.
            1. 0
              28 May 2018 23: 58
              Quote: Meliodous
              It's not about MTLB, but about the BMP-U concept. It just has the external features of a modern bmp.

              It’s about the moto league that Ukrainians are trying to adapt to the “latest” BMP
              1. +1
                29 May 2018 07: 37
                No, this concept has nothing to do with the motorcycle league, the author simply mixed everything together. You can go to the bmpd, there is the original article, there is not a word about moto league. It’s just that the author decided to show off and show us that the Ukrainian concept is no more valuable than a motorcycle league.
                Here is the link to the original: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3211941.html
                1. +2
                  29 May 2018 10: 24
                  Quote: Meliodous
                  You can go to the bmpd, there is an original to become

                  I have eyes and I see that it is MLTB and no matter what the author decided to show off there.
        3. +2
          28 May 2018 13: 12
          It is rather strange to compare these two cars. At least for the reason that Kurgan is a radically new platform, and this is another fantasy, like remaking Soviet remnants into something. This is how to compare the concept of the VAZ 2106 with the new SUV. Engines in front too, 4 wheels ...
          1. +1
            28 May 2018 22: 46
            Just right. Conceptually, Kurganets and BMP-U have clearly common roots. Accordingly, they obviously have common shortcomings. That’s why I was interested in how the author relates to the Kurgan: I also adored him like this concept, or vice versa.
            1. 0
              29 May 2018 13: 05
              This is not a concept. This is a fantasy on a free theme. You will draw a similar one in the evening. Ukraine, even in theory, cannot create a new car from a to z. This is another way to remake a regular bmp. Kurgan is a new platform. These machines have only one purpose in common.
    2. +3
      28 May 2018 21: 31
      Quote: Meliodous
      And so it turns out stupidly heating Ukrainian hysteria on the site.

      Yes, Ukraine is a very convenient country (only for the Russian Federation). That you can’t compare, everything is in the black.
      If Ukraine did not exist, it would have to be invented! "
      All that you don’t write about Ukraine, everyone believes that everything bad is only there. About Ukraine, you can even write something about Russia that will not be allowed to write or understand.
      This is not just hysteria, it is a massive psychosis on the basis of Ukraine. Heated by the Russian media. And in VO this is with a touch of superiority in all areas. Hooray.
      Quote: Meliodous
      About the same Ajax for example

      About the sworn West they wrote a long time ago, "I have found the best."
      1. +1
        28 May 2018 22: 47
        That's why it's a shame. We used to equal Europe and the USA, now we equal Ukraine. Well, Che, it’s also more convenient, and it’s easier for journalists to write articles.
      2. +2
        29 May 2018 00: 45
        And what, is it not true that in Ukraine everything is worse than in Russia? And while Ukraine galloped for a European future. If the Russians in 2012 rode for Navalny on Bolotnoye, they would have lived worse than modern Ukrainians.
        1. +1
          29 May 2018 07: 42
          Yes, and so everyone understands. Yes, it’s bad, yes, they jumped, here it is the European future.
          Only here the essence of all this fits into one sentence, and we have been hiding this information for 4 years in a huge heap of articles, once again happily telling us what the bottom of Ukraine has broken through and how high Russia stands from it. And all this is given out almost for our achievement. It infuriates
    3. 0
      30 May 2018 15: 10
      Kurgan is already in the metal and there is a fully robotic remote module, according to the video from the inside, the airborne passage does not interfere there, but it is unclear what Kharkiv citizens have enough competence for. and about the dead zones, I don’t agree with the author about this sore spot of all modern infantry fighting vehicles. In the picture, there is simply a large platform in front of the tower and plus these funny ears that aggravates the situation, the same Kurgan does not have this "platform", which visually improves the situation.
  8. +10
    28 May 2018 09: 03
    minus article, authors cannot petrosyan ...
  9. +2
    28 May 2018 09: 21
    “For example, a pessimist is someone who puts off the last penny for a rainy day. An optimist, on the contrary, puts the same penny on a bright future.”
    Or, for example, the mechanism of repression and projection in the psyche is when someone who maintains a sense of self-esteem by projecting their own shortcomings, problems and complexes onto others.
    This must be remembered and not taken to heart any nonsense, and the more someone tries to annoy you, to impose all sorts of far-fetched complexes and flaws, then the more annoying this fact is.
  10. +8
    28 May 2018 09: 22
    They survived, VO began to slide down to the level of the Crocodile and Pepper magazines (if anyone remembers such). There is no technical description in the article, and a high-tech analysis was made from a picture from the Internet as a result of a “long” brainstorming. Not an article, but a solid banter. I especially liked about mirrors and stop - signals with gateways. In fact, they are present on the armored vehicles of the Russian Federation and major foreign manufacturers ..... And oh, horror, and on the Bundeswehr’s technique even yellow flashers ....
    1. +4
      28 May 2018 11: 14
      Quote: vnord
      I especially liked about mirrors and stop - signals with gateways. In fact, they are present on armored vehicles of the Russian Federation and major foreign manufacturers .....

      Marker lights of the T-72 tank. No brake lights and turn signals. On our other armored vehicles is similar.
      1. 0
        28 May 2018 11: 39
        Marker lights of the T-72 tank. No brake lights and turn signals. On our other armored vehicles is similar.
        You won’t believe it, but now they are already on Kurganets and on the armature (by the way, the LED armature was also installed on the armature)
        1. +2
          28 May 2018 12: 14
          Quote: kotdavin4i
          and on Kurganets and on armature they are

          Such a light illumination on military equipment is not good. If earlier the movement of the column at night could only be determined by the sound (the dimensions are far from visible from far away), then with the lights that are installed now, visual detection of equipment at night will not be a problem.
          1. +2
            28 May 2018 12: 30
            Quote: Bad_gr
            Quote: kotdavin4i
            and on Kurganets and on armature they are

            Such a light illumination on military equipment is not good.

            With modern methods, types and methods of reconnaissance - this is no longer critical - but it increases the convenience for mechanical drivers during movements in the convoy.
          2. +1
            28 May 2018 13: 15
            The correct LEDs you will not see far. These are all the little things in fact. If you cut a searchlight, also that highlight) it is for convenience, no more. He does not play a special role.
          3. 0
            1 June 2018 13: 05
            Or maybe it is not always necessary to hide it during the movement of the column?

            If earlier the movement of the column at night could only be determined by the sound (the dimensions are far from visible from far away), then with the lights that are installed now, visual detection of equipment at night will not be a problem.


            If before there were neither mass normal NVD nor mass thermal imagers, today they are, moreover, combined ones.
  11. +3
    28 May 2018 09: 27
    And a couple of years ago we laughed at a schoolboy who was teaching designers how to create tanks on his cardboard mockup. He taught, it seems ...

    By the way, what is the fate of this young genius-nugget? Not yet appointed Chief Designer?
  12. +3
    28 May 2018 09: 55
    And I got BMP- U liked it! She reminded me of her "appearance" of the English tank 1MV and civil war -Wippet! And I always "sympathized" with this tank! good
  13. +6
    28 May 2018 10: 06
    The author is a comedian! Straight Petrosyan! And then it is funny to him. Here's another for you to laugh. or, to laugh too
    Let's objectively and preferably without politics (to be honest, already starting to bother).
  14. +1
    28 May 2018 10: 57
    they can do a lot of projects, even make an exhibition sample in metal (they kind of did heavy bmp on the basis of t-64), but it still won’t go beyond that
  15. +12
    28 May 2018 11: 24
    Good day to all, I understand that the “banter” over Ukroboronprom is already becoming a normal phenomenon on this site. It is a pity that before the site was more objective than now, it was very much the participants began to go into politics and not in equipment and weapons. And now about the BMP-U. The general layout is copied from the Russian BMP - Kurganets
    unless with some changes - the driver and commander are sitting on board and not in the center armored capsule. The joke about mirrors is generally stupid


    Here Leopard and Kurganets with the same mirrors - smaller in size - BUT they are set and removed in peacetime for ease of driving - so the Ukrainians made it easier for drivers to drive by installing larger mirrors.
    regarding stoplights -

    Beautiful German BMP - there are stops and no one is steaming (by the way, on Kurganets there are also full-fledged rear warning systems and stops and turn signals)
    Gentlemen, comrades, let's stop thinking that someone is dumber than us.
    Thank you.
    1. +1
      28 May 2018 21: 34
      I completely agree. The site began to lose its unique charm and atmosphere. Ah, pity ... People invent, invent, search and ultimately create. As one very famous person said ... history will justify me. smile
  16. +3
    28 May 2018 11: 36
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Do you read carefully? Ukrogrob on caterpillars exists only in the form of a picture.

    Well, that’s the coffin - the Kurgan was once in the form of a sketch, and the coffin of the armata, leopard, abrams - they all just came up with something ...
    1. 0
      28 May 2018 19: 01
      I see that you are extremely optimistic about the Ukrainian defense industry, which has already died a long time ago.
    2. 0
      29 May 2018 21: 51
      at the moment they are like "participating in the WAR !!!" - tanks and infantry fighting vehicles must be massively conveyed .....
      and when
      "According to the contract, in the beginning of summer we will manufacture and ship to our customer - the Ukrainian Armored Plant (Zhytomyr BTRZ) three sets of trucks (!!!!!!!!!!!!!), and then 20. One set - this is a pair of tracks for one combat vehicle and spare parts "- this is not war, it is not the same thing as sabotage, but also a violent imitation of military operations for squeezing dough ....
      They have a war ...... type .... 3 set of tracks in the war ..
  17. +2
    28 May 2018 13: 33
    One can feel the design school in the machine’s design, which created the famous MT-LB - also the average location of the engine with a cooling system, which, for optimal weight distribution on the rollers and for float, allows this unit to be moved along the length of the machine. The only difference from MT-LB is that the gap is not used between the engine and the transmission for organizing the workplaces of the commander and the operator. Judging by the sketches, the crew members were located behind the driver. For the tractor, this arrangement is optimal, but not very successful for the BMP, because the small declination angles of the main armaments in the front most used sector sharply reduce the combat effectiveness of the machine as a whole due to the constant strikes on the lower stops of the weapon unit when operating in a stable mode. In general, the tractor will turn out excellent, and the BMP is unsuccessful,
  18. BAI
    +2
    28 May 2018 14: 20
    And what's the problem? Let them do it. The more resources will be spent on inefficient equipment, the better. Just do not think that the factory is finished.
    Here we had a super dumb analogue in the Su-47 world.

    Well, where is it, and where are the billions to develop it?
    1. +5
      28 May 2018 14: 47
      Quote: BAI
      Well, where is it, and where are the billions to develop it?

      As where? In the museum he is. And he spent successfully on its development and construction as a flying laboratory and worked:
      In 2006-2007 after modernization of the cargo compartment the aircraft was involved in the program to create the project of the T-50 fighter (hereinafter Su-57). The goal was to check the flaps and internal equipment of the compartment for operability in real flight conditions. The information was actively used at the final stages of creating the cargo bays of the promising T-50 fighter.

      And by the way, no one tore money from you for its development:
      Subsequently, after the collapse of the USSR and the crisis in the country in the 1990s, state financing from the project was withdrawn and it continued only thanks to its own financing of Sukhoi Design Bureau.
      1. BAI
        0
        28 May 2018 17: 17
        And by the way, no one tore money from you for its development:

        After the collapse of the USSR - perhaps, but before?
        Work on the Su-47 began in 1980,
        - Who paid for these 10 years? Themselves or the state?
        1. +2
          28 May 2018 17: 27
          And then the state didn’t tear you three skins, either. the era of capitalism with the Gaidars-Chubais has not yet arrived. A planned economy, you know. That's when she died with the USSR and went on the so-called "free market" - then the Sukhoi Design Bureau and itself harnessed to pull the financial strap.
  19. +5
    28 May 2018 22: 24
    Judging by the text, the authors, while studying the drawings (not even drawings, no), immediately noticed the MAIN flaws - mirrors !!!!!! Here I am, a tanker, a fur of water, I declare that sometimes they are needed, but the sofa know-it-alls know better from the cellar ... The fact that the tower of this unit is uninhabited, that is, will not greatly interfere with the despatchers, well, and most importantly, maybe you shouldn't scream Gop? A year ago, they laughed at the absence of a plant for the production of ammunition at ukrov, and two years ago they cherished fantasies that Kharkov workers would sabotage the repair of armored vehicles, what happened?
    1. +2
      28 May 2018 22: 45
      But I am an army mite. I had neither equipment, nor aircraft, nor tanks. on my own legs I moved more and more ... Although sometimes. more precisely, I wanted to ride on armor.
      Have you ever landed under heavy artillery shelling from a wrecked car? or from 20-x mortars? Shitty tell you the feeling.
      you are a great warrior ... Not a couch ... I admire ... Just a question, have you ever been in a real fight .. when the underpants are wet not from anurez, but from sweat?
      To you "knocked" Zsushki?
    2. 0
      29 May 2018 21: 56
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      two years ago, there were cherished fantasies that Kharkov workers would sabotage BTVT repair,
      -if this is not sabotage-
      "According to the contract, in the beginning of summer we will manufacture and ship to our customer - the Ukrainian Armored Plant (Zhytomyr BTRZ) three sets of trucks (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), and then 20. One set is a pair of tracks for one combat vehicle and spare parts, "said Vyacheslav Rachinsky, director of the KHAPP production department." Then it’s a very wicked joke.
      3 a set of trucks for war ....... they would have fired a bucket of cartridges .... a complete re-entry would be
  20. 0
    29 May 2018 12: 21
    According to the external layout, our “Barberry” looks like a T-15, this is apparently such a dill terminator. laughing
  21. 0
    1 June 2018 17: 57
    syphilis gobbled up brain completely
  22. 0
    1 June 2018 18: 05
    The guys wrote a humorous note about design ideas in Ukraine. Not funny.
  23. 0
    21 August 2018 20: 13
    "The modern defense complex of Ukraine already has its own traditions. And traditions must be respected."

    https://mihalchuk-1974.livejournal.com/561790.html


    I think I’m bleating all of a sudden, whence in Ukraine there is such a bunch of hand-assed armored visitors))). And they have the richest traditions in the noble cause of mockery of armored vehicles.

    The history of the only model of armored vehicles created by geniuses from the Ukrainian Insurgent Army is as follows:

    Somewhere these knights nadybalat the broken Soviet T-26 tank. And also quite a running tractor STZ-5-NATI. By means of removing the cab, the on-board platform and part of the equipment from the tractor, it became possible to shorten the hull of the T-26 tank of the 1939 model, which was shredded. Thus, the UPA battle tank was obtained. A wonderful example of the design thought of dill 70 years ago.

    The first known episode of the combat use of this unit was the last for him. This story is known from Polish data. Everything happened like this:

    "A home-made tank based on a T-26 armored hull and a chassis from an STZ-5 tractor was used by the UPA during an attempt to storm the town of Kupichi in December 1943 ... The tank attacked the defending Poles in the town, supported by a chain of UPA riflemen. It came closest to the position. enemy, making a terrible noise, but then the engine could not stand it and died. The chain lay even earlier under heavy Polish fire. The crew ... tried to repair the engine of their car, but under the fire of the Poles they had to stop these attempts and, removing the lock from the cannon and breaking through gas tank, decided to retreat, setting the car on fire from a safe distance. That was done ... The Poles counterattacked and captured the "tank", extinguishing it. Then they took several pairs of horses and dragged the "trophy" to themselves. Then, according to Polish legends, this The "tank" was taken from the Poles by the passing Red Army and put on a pedestal somewhere in Siberia.


    P.S. from Siberia who is? Did not see there entot shydevre on a pedestal?
  24. 0
    April 2 2023 05: 10
    It would be better if they brought it to mind and would start mass production of their BMPV-64 and BMP-55.

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