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What is Japan for the sake of smoking?

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Moscow and Tokyo will consistently proceed to the signing of a peace treaty, developing bilateral cooperation, reports Radio Liberty Statement by Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe.




Following the meeting with Vladimir Putin, the Japanese leader noted that the parties “reaffirmed their intention to go forward” to sign a peace treaty, which Japan and Russia have not had for more than 70 years.

It is not easy to solve this problem, nevertheless, an end should be put on this issue with the current generation, the premier said.

According to him, in July of this year, another Japanese trip to the Kuril Islands will be organized, where they will be able to visit the graves of their ancestors.



Abe added that he expects to continue the discussion of creating a “special regime” on the southern islands of the archipelago.

He also called on the Russian president to cooperate more actively in the areas of labor productivity and the digital economy.

The parties agreed to speed up the process of implementing joint projects in 5 areas, the Prime Minister said. We are talking about aquaculture, greenhouse cultivation of vegetables, wind energy, waste disposal and the development of tourism. He said that the next (third) visit of Japanese businessmen to the islands is scheduled for this summer.

In conclusion, Abe said that he was "looking forward" to a new meeting with Putin at the Eastern Economic Forum, which will be held in Vladivostok.

During the meeting, the Russian president, in turn, noted that resolving the issue of a peace treaty "should be in the interests of both countries and supported by their peoples."

As previously reported, the parties have not yet reached a common opinion on how to implement the projects mentioned above in practice. Moscow believes that this should be done within the framework of Russian legislation. Tokyo also proposes to create in the Kuriles a certain special legal system (regime).

Recall recently that Abe took part in the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, and on Saturday together with the President of the Russian Federation held a session with Japanese and Russian cosmonauts on the ISS.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 27 May 2018 12: 24
    +52
    Who cares what Japan is ready to go for the return of the Kuril Islands ... Russian Kuril Islands. Point.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 27 May 2018 12: 33
      +16
      You're right. But the situation is just a classic example of how * import partners * perceive observance of elementary politeness. Immediately impudent and make claims. There the Americans bombed the Japanese, including nuclear weapons, and now they command Japan and their emperor, and they only bow and execute.
      1. Logall
        Logall 27 May 2018 14: 09
        +15
        The question is different:
        What are the authorities of the Russian Federation ready for Japanese investment and innovation?
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 27 May 2018 16: 50
          +4
          Quote: Logall
          The question is different:
          What are the authorities of the Russian Federation ready for Japanese investment and innovation?

          And what was the USSR ready for when, in the fifties, when preparing a peace treaty with Japan, it was planned to give them 2 of the 4 disputed islands? Mattresses climbed in, puffed up yap in their ears and they suddenly desired all 4 islands, as a result of which they were sent to a Japanese mother where they stayed until the present moment. As far as I understand, now raster graters go on the islands on conditions far different from those offered by the USSR - i.e. not a transfer, but a special status?
          1. Logall
            Logall 27 May 2018 21: 00
            +2
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            not a transfer, but a special status?

            To do this, it is necessary to change the legislation, and this is a precedent that may serve as a bad service in the future ... After all, the Russian Federation has many tidbits that they want to put their paws of various kinds of "partners" on ... At least in a special status ... For starters !
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 27 May 2018 12: 34
      +13
      The land is Russian, and Japanese Wishlist - this is Japanese Wishlist and nothing more.
      1. the villain
        the villain 27 May 2018 13: 27
        +5
        Quote: Andrey K
        and Japanese Wishlist - this is Japanese Wishlist and nothing more.

        Yes, and let them dream, but secretly, and even from their whining on the topic "give us the northern territories" is already nauseous.
        And it turns out that they have something like:
        Samurai was proudly skiing
        On a hot day on an asphalt field.
        Why - they did not ride skis.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 27 May 2018 12: 34
      +5
      The question of the return of the Kuril Islands, as it were, is not coming. The question of joint economic activity on some part of them is being considered. What matters here is under whose jurisdiction this will be carried out and in what forms and volumes this "joint activity" will be. winked
      1. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 27 May 2018 15: 03
        +18
        "Joint economic activity" is the first step towards Russia's loss of these islands. After the collapse of the 91st year, Russia was able to save the Kuril Islands and the Kaliningrad region only because the entire pre-war (alien) population was evicted from there ... "Claw is stuck and the whole bird’s abyss" - let the Japanese go to the islands and you can forget about their existence as a part Russia ...
      2. Vladimir K.
        Vladimir K. 27 May 2018 16: 18
        +9
        This is not in words about the return of the Kuril Islands - in fact, Japs, even if they’re scarecrow, they want to carcass on these islands, settle there, open their own “cultural” centers (in which local people will be processed for grants from Tokyo), and then, when either Russia weakens, or a suitable occasion appears, or something else, to occupy the islands and hold a referendum among the locals under its control. There is no doubt that in these plans they will be fully supported by the Americans, who will immediately place their military facilities there. So I do not understand the flirting of our authorities with the Japs. It is necessary to firmly state at the highest level without any omissions, so that the answer cannot be interpreted in two ways, that the Kuril Islands are the land of Russia and the point. Yeltsin did not give them away, but Putin will not do this.
        1. vadsonen
          vadsonen 28 May 2018 11: 31
          0
          which undoubtedly will process the local population for grants from Tokyo

          And why not the authorities of Russia to conduct "processing of the local population for grants"? Why are islands not developed? Why is Japan, not Russia, offering “waste recycling” technology?
          and hold a referendum among local ones under their control

          Do not think that I am for violating the territorial integrity of Russia, but what level of living do you think Kurilians would prefer - Japanese or Russian?
          1. Vladimir K.
            Vladimir K. 30 May 2018 09: 59
            0
            The fact is that the Kuril people are unlikely to stay there - they, as "representatives of the invaders", will be squeezed out of there, depriving them of property and not allowing them to work there. About 70 years ago, they would have been waiting for a concentration camp in a similar situation - now everything would be more civilized, but the result would be: a few years after the hypothetical transfer of these lands under the control of the Japs, only the Japanese will live there. Hoping to get a “happy life” from the invaders you will not receive either happiness or life.
    4. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 27 May 2018 12: 44
      +8
      Quote: NEXUS
      Who cares what Japan is ready to go for the return of the Kuril Islands ... Russian Kuril Islands. Point.


      That's right, Andrey! This point is set in 1945.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 27 May 2018 12: 52
        +11
        Quote: Reserve officer
        The question of the return of the Kuril Islands, as it were, is not coming.

        I am sure there is an option. It is a pity that the Japanese do not yet know about him. Otherwise, they would have held a referendum long ago and how Crimea joined the Russian Federation.
        In my opinion, the Autonomous Republic of Japan sounds good.
        1. Russia
          Russia 27 May 2018 12: 56
          +9
          Lada Tayota is also not bad.
          1. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 27 May 2018 13: 49
            +1
            Her, Lada - traditionally class B cars, and Toyota - traditionally class C.
            The products of the existing AvtoVAZ-Renault-Nissan alliance clearly show this. The same Datsun miDo on the Grants platform - class B.
            Class C was traditionally produced at GAZ. So Toyota is the way to Nizhny Novgorod ...
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 27 May 2018 13: 50
          +1
          Quote: Vita VKO
          In my opinion, the Autonomous Republic of Japan sounds good.

          brr .. stop 30 years ago Lukyanenko unsubscribed on this subject: google "Fugu in uniform"
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 27 May 2018 14: 23
          +1
          Imagine that while 40-45% of the State Duma deputies would be Japanese and almost half of the ministers. And the biggest people of the Russian Federation would be the Japanese, and the Russians in second place. And two-thirds of GDP would fall on this territory. That is, real political and economic power would pass to the Japanese. Do you want that?
          In general, there have been no autonomous republics in the Russian Federation since 1992. There are republics within the Russian Federation.
          And where would they divide their beloved emperor?))
          1. the most important
            the most important 27 May 2018 15: 08
            0
            Quote: Sergej1972
            And where would they divide their beloved emperor?))

            This is the biggest problem ... two emperors in one den will not get along.
        4. Vladimir K.
          Vladimir K. 27 May 2018 16: 20
          +3
          Russia would be more comfortable with the option in which Japan would drive the American bases out of its territory and begin to pursue a sovereign policy. Why the hell do we have 150 million Japs in their country - what good things can they choose from among their own president?
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 27 May 2018 19: 28
            0
            Indeed, we do not need them. But there are fewer of them, not 150 million, but "only" 126 million.
      2. faridg7
        faridg7 27 May 2018 14: 01
        +5
        Eh, they didn’t put an end to it, it was necessary to take Hokaido still, now we could think of bridges to Sakhalin and from Sakhalin to Hokaido. And in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Japanese spirit would not have happened. And so now they’ll fly to Vladivostok to the forum again, trash
        1. Vladimir K.
          Vladimir K. 27 May 2018 16: 23
          +7
          By the way, there are historical reasons for hokaido. Until the 19th century, there were no Japs there, just like in the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin — Ainu lived there who, fearing Japanese aggression, voluntarily accepted Russian citizenship, having appropriated their lands to RI, respectively, but they were so far on the periphery that the tsarist government there was nothing to them. As a result, the Japs seized their lands, and all their people were brought to zero in very brutal ways. We should remind them of this and demand repentance.
    5. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 27 May 2018 12: 57
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      Russian smoked. Point.

      Putin did not say that ..... and this is the point!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 27 May 2018 13: 00
        +6
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        Putin did not say that ..... and this is the point!

        They themselves understood what they scratched? Firstly, what does Putin say or didn’t say? Why are you bothering him about all the posts without and what? And secondly, read about the borders of the Russian Federation and about the indivisibility of the country and don’t write such nonsense laughing people.
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          1. marlin1203
            marlin1203 27 May 2018 13: 16
            +3
            Those. expel Americans from Okinawa? Then, for sure, the Kuril Islands are forever laughing
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            1. Alf
              Alf 27 May 2018 20: 09
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              As for the Wishlist ... are you really so short-sighted that you believe that Russia will give up the two Kuril Islands of Japan?

              But what about Svalbard?
          3. Weyland
            Weyland 27 May 2018 13: 51
            +2
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            read the declaration son

            Read on the net, son, what does the word "declaration" mean - and how much it obliges! laughing
          4. bolt
            bolt 27 May 2018 15: 55
            +2
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            Quote: NEXUS
            And secondly, read about the borders of the Russian Federation and about the indivisibility of the country and do not write more such nonsense, you’re a laugh.

            fool fool wassat read the declaration son, and maybe you will finally understand that if the Japanese fulfilled all the points, we automatically give them 2 islands !!! .... didn’t we try to study the materiel? ... and Vladimir Vladimirovich did not say that the Kuril Islands are OUR point. ..... and this is a fact! and your Wishlist - just your desires and no more love


            What you wrote indicates that you simply do not know what a “declaration” is and do not understand the legal status of this document. Nothing follows from the declaration “automatically”. By definition, "declaration."
            Moreover, unlike a contract or agreement, it can always be sent to the basket due to changes in circumstances that led to its adoption. No financial or other consequences.
            But, in general, you seem to me to be a fan of Navalny. Shrill throat in the absence of basic knowledge. I had to deal with such.
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 27 May 2018 13: 14
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          Putin did not say that ..... and this is the point!

          And secondly, read about the borders of the Russian Federation and about the indivisibility of the country and do not write more such nonsense, you’re a laugh.

          Did you hear about the Amur Islands given to China in 2004?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 27 May 2018 13: 33
            +5
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Did you hear about the Amur Islands given to China in 2004?

            And what ... there were controversial issues on the issue of our borders with China, which remained unresolved for more than 100 years ...
            And all this fuss essentially began with Khrushchev, who laid the foundation for a new division of borders between the USSR and China.
            Well, after that there was Tagged ..
            During the time of Gorbachev during the negotiations in 1987-1991, which culminated in the signing of the 1991 Agreement on the Soviet-Chinese border, it was established that the border on the Amur River should pass along the main channel of the river. Under this agreement, many islands previously controlled by the USSR, including including Daman Island turned out to be Chinese territory.

            As for the 2004 agreement, all controversial issues along the border with China were settled. To say that I have a positive attitude towards such a settlement ... no, I won’t say that.
            There is one more point - Japan is occupied by the US Armed Forces. And the transfer of our islands to Japan will automatically lead to the emergence of American bases on these islands. Even from this point of view-Do we need it?
            I repeat, no one will transmit the Kuril these two islands of Japan.
          2. bolt
            bolt 27 May 2018 13: 53
            +6
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            Putin did not say that ..... and this is the point!

            And secondly, read about the borders of the Russian Federation and about the indivisibility of the country and do not write more such nonsense, you’re a laugh.

            Did you hear about the Amur Islands given to China in 2004?

            If you are talking about those in the Khabarovsk region, no one "gave" them. Just because they never belonged to us. Neither Tsarist Russia, nor the USSR. Their status has not been determined by any international document. Disputed territory.
            By the way, if not for this agreement, then today the border would have passed 300 meters from the center of Khabarovsk. And after they “gave it away” - in 20 kilometers.
            Have you heard about this?
          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 27 May 2018 14: 25
            +2
            Is this about those that until 1929 were officially neither part of the Russian Empire, nor the RSFSR and the USSR? And were we busy during the Soviet-Chinese conflict of 1929?
          4. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 27 May 2018 18: 22
            +2
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Did you hear about the Amur Islands given to China in 2004?

            Of course he didn’t hear ... both about the village given to Azerbaijan and about the part of the Barents Sea .... and about straightening the border in the Altai Territory ..... he is just a character who is in the tank !!
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 May 2018 19: 29
              +1
              That village is on the maps of the USSR and was designated as part of the Azerbaijan SSR.
      2. Huumi
        Huumi 27 May 2018 20: 05
        0
        and Putin’s cho-voice of the people?
    6. Tusv
      Tusv 27 May 2018 13: 20
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Russian smoked. Point.

      Not well, you can indulge in peering through binoculars. We are not animals smile
    7. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 27 May 2018 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Who cares what Japan is ready to go for the return of the Kuril Islands ... Russian Kuril Islands. Point.

      What could be the negotiations on the Kuril Islands? If the Japs were given little in 1945, then it can be repeated or they must be hit with nuclear weapons in order to sign the surrender and forget about all claims to our territories. The peace treaty needs to be spit, we have lived so long without it and will live even more.
    8. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 27 May 2018 13: 49
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      Russian smoked. Point.

      This is your personal opinion that does not interest anyone in the government. They want to give and give, 76% it will not affect.
    9. skullcap
      skullcap 27 May 2018 15: 10
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Russian smoked. Point.

      I really hope ...
      But memories are disturbing: from Port Arthur to Damanski.
    10. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 27 May 2018 15: 42
      +5
      We are Andrew, everything is clear. In 1945, our military. put an end to the controversial issue. The weakest link today is President Putin and his liberal circle, who also really want to get some profit from it. The Kuril Islands is not a place where you can dance, especially with the Japanese! This topic, in any dialogue with them, should not be raised on our part and prevent all their creeps. Enough of the fact that China has climbed onto our land and is robbing it.
    11. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 May 2018 18: 49
      0
      What is Japan for the sake of smoking?
      but they’ll definitely not be banned, if I say? what
    12. yehat
      yehat 28 May 2018 02: 52
      +1
      the difference is that there are 50 times more Japanese people and about the same Chinese.
      and the authorities have no money for activity, and the local population is very far from the 100% support of the Moscow administration and even embittered. Therefore, any mild infiltration cannot be stopped.
  2. Vard
    Vard 27 May 2018 12: 24
    +5
    Sly these Japanese ... will increase the standard of living on the islands ... and then bang and referendum ...
    1. dorz
      dorz 27 May 2018 12: 34
      +2
      American puppets will never stop blackmailing and feeding breakfast. A waste of time, you need to work with other countries.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 27 May 2018 12: 48
        +13
        Quote: Vard
        Sly these Japanese ... will increase the standard of living on the islands ... and then bang and referendum ...

        The standard of living rises for those who have work and who work. But the Japanese themselves will come to work, if they work. For them - foreign "labor" immigrants - the Japanese government will create a settlement of the Russian Kuril Islands and change the Russian demography on the Kuril Islands in favor of the Japanese. Then the Japanese and the women will hold their separatist referendum in favor of Japan! And those who are opposed to simply biologically "disposed of."

        Not a Japan country you can trust! Japan has not even repented for its war crimes!
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 27 May 2018 12: 56
          +5
          Quote: Tatiana
          Then the Japanese and the women will hold their separatist referendum in favor of Japan!

          And with what fright the Japanese will hold a referendum, being NOT CITIZENS of the Russian Federation on Russian territory?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 27 May 2018 13: 02
            +10
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Tatiana
            Then the Japanese and the women will hold their separatist referendum in favor of Japan!
            And with what fright the Japanese will hold a referendum, being NOT CITIZENS of the Russian Federation on Russian territory?

            And just as with the help of the USA, the Albanians separated Kosovo from Serbia, ruining Yugoslavia!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 27 May 2018 13: 06
              +2
              Quote: Tatiana
              And just as the US Albanians separated Kosovo from Serbia, ruining Yugoslavia!

              You Tatyana compare Yugoslavia, with the Russian Federation. I repeat, what referenda can be in the Kuril Islands, if the Japanese, even if they work there, are essentially tourists. And if the indigenous population begins to balamute, there are special services for this matter.
              1. skullcap
                skullcap 27 May 2018 15: 30
                +5
                Quote: NEXUS
                You Tatyana compare Yugoslavia, with the Russian Federation.

                And you compare the Russian Federation with the USSR.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 May 2018 14: 27
              0
              So the inhabitants of Kosovo of Albanian nationality were all citizens of Serbia.
            3. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 May 2018 14: 30
              0
              And Kosovo Alabans for decades have not fought for separation from Serbia. The best option that would suit both Serbs and Kosovo Albanians is most of Kosovo beyond the Republic of Kosovo, Republika Srpska as part of Bosnia and Herzegovina, a smaller part of Kosovo and a number of other territories with a predominant Serb population are included in Serbia.
        2. yehat
          yehat 28 May 2018 02: 58
          +2
          not so simple. Japan is still constrained by a serious economic crisis caused by the Americans. Their fertility and the number of families created are seriously declining. The age of the population is growing, there is an import of labor, which creates a lot of difficulties.
          Pacifism and apathy among the population are very high. Of young men of draft age, only 3% are ready to serve in the army, despite the colossal advertising of militarism in society.
          Northern territories belonging to Japan are losing population.
          Under such conditions, expansion in the Kuril Islands is very difficult.
    2. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 27 May 2018 12: 36
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      Sly these Japanese ... will increase the standard of living on the islands ... and then bang and referendum ...

      There was an old joke from Lukyanenko on this occasion (“Fugu in uniform”, excerpt):
      Well, you in FIG. I was given an envelope that can be sent to the past. Blank envelope made of thick white paper. I’ll write everything that I have time. And to explain to you about perestroika, about President Yeltsin, about the All-Russian referendum on the Kuril Islands ... The funny one nevertheless came up with his result. Two years have passed, and still laugh, as I recall. And it was necessary for the wit-Russophiles from parliament to insert the third paragraph into the text ...
      "The referendum of Russian citizens on the territorial affiliation of the Kuril Islands Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai.
      1. I am in favor of transferring the above islands to the sovereignty of Japan.
      2. I am in favor of preserving the sovereignty of Russia over the above islands.
      3. I am in favor of transferring Russia to the sovereignty of Japan. "

      How they had fun, parliamentarians of the last convocation, voting for the third paragraph! Show the absurdity of the entire referendum! Our islands! Our! Forever and ever! Ahhhhhh! Ninety-seven percent? Ahhhhhhhh!
      That's how we live. In the Land of the Rising Sun. Very democratic, and bilingualism throughout Japan is introduced. Even in Tokyo, in the capital, most of the signs are in Japanese and Russian.
    3. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 27 May 2018 13: 50
      0
      Quote: Vard
      Sly these Japanese ... will increase the standard of living on the islands ... and then bang and referendum ...

      This is their plan, Putin’s plan to maximize money out of the Japanese.
    4. skullcap
      skullcap 27 May 2018 15: 27
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      Sly these Japanese ...

      For the time being all our islands are ours until the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. How to give at least one - the property of all "progressive humanity."
  3. Voyager
    Voyager 27 May 2018 12: 25
    +2
    The Japanese began to take positions, at least they want a special regime instead of islands, at least something to snatch. The main thing is we do not get too soft in response
    1. free
      free 27 May 2018 12: 33
      +3
      Quote: Voyager
      The Japanese began to take positions, at least they want a special regime instead of islands, at least something to snatch. The main thing is we do not get too soft in response

      There’s nothing to soften the people with; power wouldn’t soften!
  4. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 27 May 2018 12: 28
    +2
    Or a peace treaty, or territorial claims. Express yourself more clearly.
  5. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 27 May 2018 12: 28
    +13
    You can’t give it away. Never and no one Isle.
    Otherwise, a tremendous blow to our economy and defense in the Far East.
    The Sea of ​​Okhotsk simply ceases to be the inland sea of ​​Russia (and we have always had enough Japanese poachers there - after that they will be robbed on "legitimate" grounds).
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 27 May 2018 13: 06
      +4
      Quote: Kuroneko
      Otherwise, a tremendous blow to our economy

      laughing
      Quote: Kuroneko

      The Sea of ​​Okhotsk simply ceases to be the inland sea of ​​Russia

      fool you generally know what islands Japan claims to be today ..... and that they do not have access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk tongue
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 27 May 2018 13: 33
        +4
        They claim exactly FOR ALL 4 islands. No more no less. And this is not even an open secret.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 27 May 2018 18: 18
          +1
          Quote: Kuroneko
          They claim exactly ALL 4 islands. No more no less.

          belay ..forget about Sakhalin and Vladik ..... fool
          1. Kuroneko
            Kuroneko 27 May 2018 18: 44
            +1
            Did not forget. Well, Vladik is their very pink dreams, but Sakhalin is real to this day on school (and not only school) Japanese maps - its southern part - is also designated as belonging to Japan.
            By the way, there was once funny news from Japan about Google maps ...
            https://ria.ru/world/20130929/966630902.html
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 27 May 2018 18: 59
              0
              Quote: Kuroneko
              but Sakhalin - really to this day on school (and not only school) Japanese maps - its southern part

              did you go to a Japanese school? ... or did Kisileva and Prokopenko see enough ?? ... are the Chinese tads all up to Yakutsk in their color and what? crying love
              1. Kuroneko
                Kuroneko 27 May 2018 19: 19
                +1
                I was just deeply interested in (and I continue) Japan. For fansabber, desu.
                But yes, nothing yet. About 20 years, until a new generation with a brain completely washed since childhood is grown up (in Ukraine it’s already time — and even the Japanese, with the filing of the Boss, spit on their ninth article of the Constitution, zealously reviving the army).
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Девятая_статья_Конс
                Titles_Japan
                "And the rest, beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well." (with)
    2. -Pollux
      -Pollux 27 May 2018 17: 15
      +2
      Quote: Kuroneko
      The Sea of ​​Okhotsk simply ceases to be the inland sea of ​​Russia (and we have always had enough Japanese poachers there - after that they will be robbed on "legitimate" grounds).

      Think fine. After that, American anti-submarine ships will host the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 27 May 2018 17: 48
        +2
        Quote: Pollux
        Think fine.

        Not at all. Everything was said right away.
        I repeat:
        Otherwise, a tremendous blow to our economy and defense in the Far East.

        Just did not begin to develop a very obvious thesis.
  6. zhekazs
    zhekazs 27 May 2018 12: 42
    +3
    This problem is not easy to solve, nevertheless, the point in this matter should be set with the current generation,

    Let them put their points there even at their fifth point. We set our point several generations ago - our grandfathers - becoming victors in the Great Patriotic War and freeing these lands from the Japanese invaders. What kind of manic desire to get the Kuril Islands? And you give us Hokkaido. Russian researchers used to discover and stake out the Kuril Islands, before the Japanese began to develop their Hokkaido. Enough for the Guarantor to flirt with these rice-eaters, it's time to turn on our hard "NO".
    in July of this year, the next trip of the Japanese to the Kuril Islands will be organized, where they can visit the graves of their ancestors.

    What ancestors? Is there at least some bones under these stones? Human Actors of the KablUki Theater will be brought with crocodile tears ...
  7. dima-fesko
    dima-fesko 27 May 2018 12: 45
    +2
    Sorry off topic, but circumstances .........
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1527411098
    ......... The Syrian military, along with the Russian military seconded from the military advisers, took part in the battle, which lasted about an hour and during which 43 terrorists and six so-called jihad mobiles were destroyed.
    Unfortunately 4 guys died ....
    All the dead Russian servicemen are presented posthumously to state awards.

    Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1527411098
  8. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 27 May 2018 12: 48
    0
    I have the impression that the islands, as such, are not needed by the Japanese, as it were ... but the idea of ​​"returning the northern territories" uniting the nation is completely kosher. So if suddenly (pah-pah) we give up the islands, we will remember about the "original Japanese Karafuto." And if you leave the people without a unifying (and annoying) factor, you never know what they will think of! May require occupation troops from Okinawa to remove sad
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 27 May 2018 12: 56
      +3
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      I have the impression that the islands, as such, are not needed by the Japanese ...

      A very vain impression. See above my words about the Sea of ​​Okhotsk at least. Legal access to its colossal resources. Anyway, the economy has always been prevailing in the interest of any country. It is under it that the so-called “national idea” has always (and always) always been driven by social engineering. I thought that as a historian (albeit an alternative specialist), such things should be obvious to you.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 May 2018 13: 04
      +1
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      I have the impression that the islands, as such, the Japanese do not need

      Wow! But the Japanese were ready to pay 90 thousand US dollars for each person to relocate in the mid-50s. Or to give citizenship to those who did not want to move. A three-room apartment in Moscow at that time cost less than 10 thousand dollars.
  9. Altona
    Altona 27 May 2018 12: 52
    +3
    The "great" shoguns are willing to tolerate American Okinawa, but are not ready to tolerate the Russian Kuril Islands. If the Americans chopped off the "great" shoguns and emperors of Hokkaido, then the Japanese would quietly be silent in a rag.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 27 May 2018 13: 01
      0
      Quote: Altona
      The "great" shoguns are willing to tolerate American Okinawa, but are not ready to tolerate the Russian Kuril Islands.

      this is the whole point of the 56-year declaration (signed by the USSR and Japan), the possibility of transferring 2 islands, can go only after completing 3 points and the first of them from the territory of Japan the American boot disappears forever !!
    2. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 27 May 2018 13: 23
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      The "great" shoguns are willing to tolerate American Okinawa, but are not ready to tolerate the Russian Kuril Islands.

      But Japan itself does not decide anything. This, incidentally, is the only, completely and completely, real and to this day de facto occupied country.
      The only condition was: Japan should become a fully sovereign state, that is, refuse to deploy foreign military bases on its territory. However, the tough pressure on the Japanese from the side of the de facto overlord - the United States and the subsequent deepening of the military alliance between them and Japan on the basis of the “security treaty” updated in 1960 prevented the conclusion of a peace treaty. Since then, obviously, this military alliance has steadily strengthened, and Japan, as before, “voluntarily” maintains at its own expense the 50th contingent of the armed forces, which are by no means friendly to the United States of America.
      Details: https://regnum.ru/news/2397453.html
      .

      By the way, if it weren’t for Stalin’s solid “no”, they would like to tear apart Japan (according to the Allies project) like this:
      1. The_X_Factor
        The_X_Factor 27 May 2018 14: 03
        +1
        Doubtful picture.
        1. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 27 May 2018 14: 51
          +2
          You know better, huh.
          On August 16, 1945, Truman signed the directive SWNCC 70/5, which decided the postwar fate of Japan: there will be no division into occupation zones according to the "German formula", the country will be completely controlled by American troops. Thus, the US president abolished document JWPC 385/1, prepared by the joint committee of military plans of the Department of Defense. It provided for the dismemberment of Japan into five occupation zones of the allied victorious powers. Hokkaido and the northeastern regions of Honshu were supposed to be transferred under the control of the USSR. Tokyo was supposed to be divided into four sectors: American, Soviet, Chinese and English.
          ...
          It should be noted that even before the surrender of Japan, but also at a time when its defeat was becoming more and more obvious, the tendency in US government circles was to single-handedly take advantage of the fruits of victory and, as American researchers later wrote about this, the desire to "make the occupation of Japan purely American enterprise. "

          To this end, Washington did its utmost to create the impression that the United States played a major role in the victory over Japan and therefore had every reason to single-handedly occupy. The atomic bombing, which was supposed to demonstrate the power of the United States to Japan and have a restraining effect on the USSR, also pursued the same goal.

          http://www.ng.ru/ideas/2000-08-10/7_puzzles.html
          I repeat once again - just Stalin then said “no” to his headquarters, not wanting to aggravate the situation and post-war relations with the “allies”.
          By the way, on the topic of the partition plan of Japan can be read in the memoirs of MacArthur.
          1. The_X_Factor
            The_X_Factor 27 May 2018 15: 15
            0
            I know better, yes. Therefore, do not copy this nonsense.
            1. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko 27 May 2018 16: 01
              +2
              Convinced nyasha.
              I'll copy another one.
              IMPLEMENTED JAPAN SECTION PLAN
              The USA occupied the Japan occupation, however, initially there was a plan for its division into separate zones along the lines of Germany. Proposed by the Military Planning Committee of the association of chiefs of general staff, he suggested the following: Hokkaido and Tohoku were supposed to be transferred to the Soviet Union, Kanto, Kosinets, Hokurik, Tokai and Kinki - the United States, Shikoku - China, Tyugoku and Kyushu - Great Britain, Tokyo was to be managed by all four countries allies, and Osaka - the United States and China.
              However, for a number of reasons, the landing of Soviet troops on the Japanese islands did not take place. They limited themselves to taking control of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, which were previously under Japanese rule.
              Harry Truman, who came to power in the USA after the death of Franklin Roosevelt, took a tougher line in relation to the USSR, and therefore the Soviet leadership did not insist on its implementation. As a result, the Americans in the person of MacArthur - completely assumed the "troubles" of the occupation of Japan
              .


              The idea of ​​removing the USSR from a post-war settlement in East Asia ultimately outweighed all other arguments in G. Truman's strategy. On August 16, G. Truman signed a directive SWNCC 70/5transferring full control of the occupation to US troops. And thus, the upcoming operation to land the Soviet military landing on Hokkaido Island, scheduled for August 23, 1945, was suspended. On August 27, Chief of Staff of the High Command of the Soviet Forces in the Far East, Colonel General S.P. Ivanov sent out the order of the Commander-in-Chief: “In order to avoid the creation of conflicts and misunderstandings with regard to the Allies, it is strictly forbidden to send any ships or planes towards Hokkaido”[10]. Soviet ships, almost sailing to the island, were forced to turn back.
              [10] TsAMO RF. F.66, op.178499 d.9, l.61

              Well, oh SWNCC 70/5:
            2. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko 27 May 2018 16: 23
              +2
              Another “nonsense” toss: https://book.ivran.ru/f/katasonovaejiposlednieple
              nnikivtorojmirovojvojnym2005.pdf
              Read from page 43.
              1. The_X_Factor
                The_X_Factor 27 May 2018 20: 16
                0
                stop copying all nonsense, really.
                1. Kuroneko
                  Kuroneko 27 May 2018 20: 29
                  0
                  And you at least something and somehow you can counter-argue, dvosher?
                  Or does it all come down to "patamushta I said so"? (so far reduced, and already twice)
  10. Wizard_57
    Wizard_57 27 May 2018 13: 02
    +3
    I do not like one thing, ours always recognize the Declaration of 56, according to which the island of Shikotan and the Habomai ridge pass to Japan. Lavrov in 2004 recognized the declaration as valid.
    1. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 27 May 2018 15: 06
      +4
      For the USSR, it suited, yes. For modern Russia - no. Any surrender, even of the tiny Habomai, will be unambiguously interpreted as weakness and undoubted success in the global persecution / strangulation of Russia, and then the fate of all the islands will be a foregone conclusion. After all, as one old American saying goes, "give a black to a finger - he will bite off his elbow."
      1. Wizard_57
        Wizard_57 1 June 2018 16: 39
        +1
        Quote: Kuroneko
        For the USSR - it suited

        I wonder why? The USSR emerged victorious from the war, by 1956 it had almost restored its industrial potential through reparations and the labor of millions of prisoners of war. Why on earth did Japan make concessions? The true reasons for signing the 56th Declaration are rather geographical - the ridge of the Habomai Islands and Shikotan Island look like a natural extension of the Hokkaido Peninsula. But you can’t give Kunashir in any way - otherwise the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be inland. But you can’t give ANYTHING - no matter how well-intentioned it is. I repeat once more - it is alarming for the words "to find a solution that would suit the peoples of the two countries." This is the first step towards the surrender of the Russian zemstvo, which was conquered later by the blood of our ancestors.
  11. Yak28
    Yak28 27 May 2018 13: 16
    +3
    As a result of the Kuril war, this is the territory of Russia, about which there is negotiation, I do not understand. Few territories were given to Yeltsin and Gorbachev, for which our ancestors fought.
  12. K-50
    K-50 27 May 2018 13: 44
    +10
    No matter what “carriages” Japan promises for the Kuril Islands, the geopolitical damage from transferring them to them will not be comparable.
    As they themselves admitted, they will give their pin to the dossiers under an alliance agreement to equip military bases, they simply will not be able to say no, the agreement s.
    There are rare earth metals in the Kuril Islands, which both our industry and Japanese and world need. To deprive oneself of such deposits is the highest stupidity. Moreover, very few rare earths are mined, and the need for them is growing more and more due to the expansion of the electronics industry and rocket science.
    Then they will get unlimited access to fish and other resources of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. Knowing their predatory peculiarity, all whales, seals and other animals were knocked out, the same fate will await the fish resources of Primorye.
    Finally, they just won’t stop and still start asking for something. If you once lost, then you still have the right to demand, since you are weak. This is their credo.
    Because hell with this peace treaty. Letting yuppies to the Kuril Islands is like a goat in a garden with cabbage, they will devour everything, that they will not devour it — they will spoil it, but they will not have a better relationship with our country. request
  13. Hiw
    Hiw 27 May 2018 13: 56
    +3
    I just don’t understand - what kind of "carrot is this on a rope in front of the donkey's face", I mean this peace treaty? for example, he didn’t give up on fuck, and the Kuril Islands is our land, and if this treaty weren’t signed for another thousand years, they’re trying to convince me that as soon as it signs this treaty, Japan will switch from America to our position — what are you? keep the people for fools ??? I understand that our elite just came up with an excuse - signing a peace treaty and surrendering our territories under cover, just bargaining, now they’ll throw something with seven zeros there and they will immediately sign everything and resolve this territory of economic development as the TORs allowed the Chinese in us in Siberia they just mow everything and the Japanese do their settlements too - they completely acupil the chicken and horseradish then you will smoke them from there. The signing of a peace treaty with Japan and the issuance by him of permission to a special zone in the Kuril Islands is a betrayal of the Russian people
  14. Hiw
    Hiw 27 May 2018 14: 02
    +2
    and I also think so - if we are silent, and unsubscribe at the forums, then with our tacit consent they will easily give the Kuril people, everything is clear like God's day - overtone windows, at first - this cannot be what we would give the smokers, then - this is not maybe we will discuss it, then - we need to discuss the problem, it can be solved in our interests, then - and why not, we partially give up retaining our rights there, then the Japanese are people too, let them live in the Kuril Islands. only a fool doesn’t understand where it all goes, and you need to protest and not listen to the TV with your mouth open
  15. military pensioner
    military pensioner 27 May 2018 14: 06
    +2
    Eh, Abe thought, it’s a pity that it’s not Aifonka at the helm, but Putin. With that would be agreed, for a lousy tablet Sony would give even Sakhalin .... am fellow After all, he gave the Norwegians 90 thousand square kilometers of water area (formally, it is more correct to say water area, not territory, but this does not change the essence - the state gives the territory) of the Barents Sea with the richest deposits of oil, gas and fish resources. For comparison, the area of ​​the entire Leningrad Region is smaller (83,9 thousand square kilometers).

    "During his presidency, he gave gifts to the West at every opportunity. Do you want, gentlemen, to change the regime in Libya? Please. (In 2011, when the UN Security Council adopted a resolution on Libya, Russia abstained from the vote - JV"). Want tougher sanctions on Iran? No problem. (In June 2010, at the talks between Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev, the parties agreed to strengthen sanctions against North Korea and Iran, - "JV"). Want a new START treaty? Receive without delay. In this series of Medvedev's concessions, the division of the so-called "gray zone" in the Barents Sea was one of the most significant. Soviet diplomats were not stupid if they did not agree to this step for decades.
    The final decision was made under pressure from Medvedev personally. On the eve of his visit to Norway, he asked to see what uncoordinated problems are in the storehouse of Russian-Norwegian relations. And - a suitable problem was found. Instead of dividing the Barents Sea gradually - gaining something in the northern zone, losing something in the southern one - Medvedev cut the Gordian knot in one fell swoop. As a result, Russia has lost everything.
    The current line of dividing the Barents Sea lies entirely on Medvedev's conscience.
    Question: THIS ISN’T A BETTERNESS and CHANGE following the example of a bald bear, a Chekist of Georgian nationality Shivarnadzi and an alcoholic Yeltsin ????? am request
    1. fif21
      fif21 27 May 2018 18: 21
      0
      Quote: military pensioner
      it is not betrayal and treason, following the example of a bald bear, a Chekist of Georgian nationality Shivarnadzi and drunk Yeltsin ?????
      This is not competence and ........ hi
  16. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 27 May 2018 14: 34
    +2
    Japanese! Get rid of the American occupation for a start, become free and sovereign. Then we’ll talk ... We’ll talk about anything, but not the Kuril Islands. Forget about the Kuril Islands, the Kuril Islands are Russian.
    And forget about joint activities in the Kuril Islands. It’s the same as starting up a neighbor in your apartment who is arrogantly staring at your wife and even reasoning openly about this. Better we’ll arrange another training ground there.
    1. military pensioner
      military pensioner 27 May 2018 19: 31
      +2
      Eh, said "military pensioner" ...
      If anything in our country depended on our opinion, we would have long lived as WHITE PEOPLE all in chocolate winked winked
  17. serge siberian
    serge siberian 27 May 2018 14: 35
    +1
    The Kuril Islands of the territory of the Russian Federation is a fact! So, only the laws of the Russian Federation can be there. That’s for sure! And history knows how Yapy used Sakhalin. Just like the Chinese in our territory of the Far East and Eastern Siberia.
  18. d1975
    d1975 27 May 2018 14: 39
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Who cares what Japan is ready to go for the return of the Kuril Islands ... Russian Kuril Islands. Point.

    Andrey, it seems to me that we must proceed from the fact that who lost in the 2nd World War is the point! Winners are not judged, Yapam also say what and how. And do not figs in the gums knock with all sorts of trash. And our bureaucrats babosy are waiting a hundred pounds! One crap, then the light of money is not necessary and everyone has one apartment! You just need to love your homeland! Values ​​of our elites cannot be matched by Mozov! am
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 May 2018 14: 40
    0
    If Abe stops luring the Kuriles from us,
    the Japanese simply do not understand.
    So he would be happy to agree to our terms,
    but it will be a loss of face and other things.
    Well, the Americans probably will not pat him on the head ...
  20. evil partisan
    evil partisan 27 May 2018 14: 51
    +2
    Wrong conclusion request . Japan is ready even for the radioactive desert in its territory
    . Yes
    But the northern territories will be her (like, perhaps. Most likely, someday, highlilikli. Very likely, etc. ...). And $ iota. in short. Yes
  21. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 27 May 2018 14: 51
    +1
    Japan gave the smokers as the losing side in the war, so let them try to pick it up in the same way and be honest, that the Germans do not demand Kaliningrad back, and these are excessively arrogant
  22. viktor.
    viktor. 27 May 2018 15: 33
    +1
    The land itself is still not much shared with the Japanese stop I can’t share with my neighbor 80 hectares, I have 130 hectares and everything is small wassat laughing
  23. garnik
    garnik 27 May 2018 15: 39
    0
    Discussing means giving the Japanese hope for the return of the islands. Yes, and the Russians before the Japanese staked out these islands. I think it’s not about the islands, but about the deep channel between the islands, which makes our submarines go unnoticed.
  24. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 May 2018 15: 47
    0
    Since we do not live in Japan, it matters to me what Putin is ready for?
  25. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 27 May 2018 16: 04
    0
    Peace, if the islands are given to us, we do not need! These are our lands! !!
  26. gippernano
    gippernano 27 May 2018 16: 10
    0
    The signing of a peace treaty should not concern Our Kuril Islands in any way. In the course of another 700 years, without this agreement we can live beautifully. And if there will be any joint economic activity on these islands, then only according to Russian laws.
  27. Victor N
    Victor N 27 May 2018 18: 07
    +1
    No "special regime archipelago"! Only Russian legislation!
  28. fif21
    fif21 27 May 2018 18: 15
    +2
    1.In the Kuril Islands to place "Poseidons" (Tomahawks we do not need in the Kuril Islands laughing ).
    2. In response to sanctions, strengthen the Pacific Fleet
    3. The absence of a peace treaty with Japan (a country occupied by the USA) is beneficial to the Russian Federation
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 27 May 2018 19: 29
      0
      Quote: fif21
      In response to sanctions, strengthen the Pacific Fleet

      laughing lol wassat fool
      what are we waiting for, why not reinforce?
  29. militia2
    militia2 27 May 2018 19: 31
    0
    "We have a lot of land, but no superfluous." A.A. Gromyko, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR.
    But still, even if the current young diplomats are trained in the Japanese, it will be useful to them.
  30. shirkoled
    shirkoled 27 May 2018 20: 22
    +4
    Putin will sell the Kuril Islands !!!
  31. 1536
    1536 27 May 2018 21: 12
    +2
    The Japanese must be sent to hell. First they demand the Kuril Islands, then they will require Sakhalin, and then all of Primorye. Let the Japanese demand something from the Chinese. You can also offer them to ask fellow countrymen in Israel, for example.
    If the Japanese do not want to conclude a so-called peace treaty with Russia on the terms of Russia, because Japan was defeated in the Second World War just from Russia, then such Japanese "partners" must be sent to the above addresses to clear their brains.
  32. Michael R
    Michael R 27 May 2018 21: 42
    +1
    But do the Japanese want to brush their teeth with a drunken monkey device? ..
  33. nathanael
    nathanael 28 May 2018 04: 38
    0
    But to get rid of the Amer’s occupation? Weakly ...?
  34. Strength
    Strength 28 May 2018 06: 43
    0
    It’s better than the Kuril Islands of Japan than the whole Trans-Baikal Territory to the Chinese
  35. iouris
    iouris 28 May 2018 12: 20
    +1
    Under Gorbi and Shevarnadze, the "process has begun": the USSR began to lose ground, reduce population and give territory. This is this type of organ trading.