Donetsk "Separatist": test shots of a super-power 23-mm rifle

The web has a video of tests of one of the most powerful sniper and anti-sniper rifles in the world. "Separatist" - so called rifle, is a product of the military-industrial complex of the Donetsk People's Republic. Weapon It has a caliber 23 mm and is equipped with a large-scope telescopic sight.

The host of the YouTube channel, Semyon Pegov, together with the fighter "Experienced" tested the novelty. "Separatist" was developed on the basis of the famous Soviet anti-aircraft gun ZU-23. Shooting shells are used the same. The receiver and the barrel itself were borrowed from the “ZUshki”. Especially for the "Separatist" was created a tripod that effectively dampens recoil when shooting. Also developed a special massive muzzle brake.

Tests were carried out at one of the landfills in the DPR. Various types of ammunition were hit by several targets - from a light armored car to a brick wall. The effective range of the new rifle is three thousand meters.

Comments

[Sadko88]

Is it a rifle?

[alex-cn]

Yes, probably, this particular version of the product can be attributed to small-caliber guns. But there is, as I understand it, an option on the bipod.
But any option is a good weapon against LBTs, Shushpatsers, and light fortifications, and, apparently, it’s quite mobile.
And the wall for the second time it was possible not to shoot ... If someone was behind it, it would become incapable after the first hit.

[Serge Gorely]

A wonderful weapon. But it is possible and better!

[faridg7]

To call it a rifle, the language doesn’t turn. Anti-sniper complex may be. Children still need to work with this semi-finished product. I doubt that the machine will withstand such blows for a long time, it is too hard to do something with the shutter and takes a long time to open (it seems to me that due to the recoil, you can think of something with unlocking the shutter and ejecting the spent sleeve). Well, for a beginner gunsmith, it’s probably not bad — they will work on bugs and strive to do better — everything will work out. With experience and desire comes skill.

[412]

The best question, but for hell it is needed if there is a ZU-23-3, which is several times more effective.

[Bobik012]

Truly! And not too big in size

[Bobik012]

Everything was invented long ago.

By the way, the guys in Donbas are fine with this too.

[siberalt]

All "vintar" that with the thread and the trigger. And with this contraption at least a beter, even a rotorcraft, making a hole in two accounts is not a problem. But for an enemy sniper she is a real horror! Clearly cut down the birch.

[gladcu2]

As an underexposed armored personnel carrier, the queue did not respond.
With this concept, the arrows will not live long and of course they will not pass on experience.

Verdict: a dangerous little thing for the shooters themselves whose commanders are half-witted. Those who believe that with 'this' you can get an advantage over the enemy somewhere.

[Vlad.by]

For this shooter, a mobile armored hood with good optics and mechanized aiming is needed. Otherwise, the sniper whom the operator of this monster is about to hunt will have time to shoot three times.
Even if you go deep into the defense for a couple of kilometers and try to work from there, sooner or later you will become the target of the mortars, too little joy. Or, after two shots, go into the trench, followed by a change of position. But with such a device you do not run into and crawl.

[dzuar saubarag]

Well then, to this armored cap and a cart with a motor and armor for a motor ... Uh ... Something reminds me of an armored personnel carrier)))

[Signore Tomato]

Quote: Vlad.by

Otherwise that sniper

Yeah, three kilometers.
Sniper.
Sure sure!

[Phil77]

The gazelle delivery vehicle? Or how? Although, based on the experience of that Civil, it is possible to attach to the cart.

[beeper]

Somehow the Donetsk “Antisniper” was not very impressed. The machine-gun installation is a “23mm rifle”, it’s clear that it’s still quite “raw” and seemingly overweight (although the muzzle brake is not bad !, probably ~ 60% of the recoil is extinguished?), It looks like a large stationary target carried on a cargo auto.imho
The third shot at the “motor league”, “super-armor-piercing (with a tungsten or uranium core?),” The journalist “sniper (after all, it seemed to me that he was not joking, calling himself that?)))” Clearly missed to the right of the target, with a slight “minus” "
Penetration of the wall (masonry in 2 bricks?) Even with a double hit of shells (armor-piercing and super-armor-piercing) from such a small distance (200-300 meters, or even less?) Is also not very
The dispersion of the shells of a single-shot ersatz cannon is unknown, at least for 1000-2000 meters (not to mention the "disturbing" shots at 3000 meters), and with it the firing efficiency, because the high-explosive fragmentation effect of the 23mm projectile is weak and it is desirable to hit as much as possible closer to an unprotected target ?!
But to raise the morale of the militias, this is the “prodigy”, you just need to remember, when advertising, put a barrel of gasoline in the target “moto league”, as was done at the exhibition in Abu Dhabi, when advertising the machine gun Cord"!
Probably, the militia craftsmen need to think over the tactics of using their “products” in advance in order to create truly combat-ready designs, even if they are 23mm in caliber (so I understand that they have a lot of these shells?), And not “sculpt” such targets for enemy mortars ?! Iron is not sorry, people are sorry !!! IMHO

[Phil77]

And what a target for the same sniper against whom they were going to work! This is truly a “prodigy”!

[faridg7]

Quote: Phil77

And what a target for the same sniper against whom they were going to work!

Well, if the guys bring the effective range to at least 2,5 km, then how can your sniper get such a target? Even if the sniper has an M82, he will have few chances, scary little.

[faradien]

For a quick change of position, it would be nice to wheels to the machine ... And then they can cover with a mortar

[Vard]

For anti-sniper fighting, the very thing ... Shoot by a ballistic calculator ... And I don’t know three thousand ... And a couple of thousand ... So there’s a duel in one wicket .... What’s good at firing shells ... Which means it’s amazing the action is independent of distance ...

[beeper]

Scare snipers with close hits Comrade Vard?
When to "shoot at a ballistic computer"? When the enemy sniper already finds himself with an aimed shot, he will hit the chosen target, and it will be necessary to deliver a quick and accurate retaliatory strike until he has changed his position after his shot? Or shoot, in advance, from your (main or reserve?) Position all the places where the enemy’s sniper positions are likely to be found and hope that the enemy sniper will be so stupid as to settle on these already shot and clearly marked by you (the shells are really "noisy" and noticeable traces of hits leave) places?
And your counter-sniper position, which is probably “illuminated” by such a gunfire, will it not be subjected to “targeted” mortar-artillery after this, will it not be covered by heavy machine guns ?!
After all, after you find yourself shooting, such a “duel” will begin and it will not be “in one”, but in all the “gates”! If your position is covered with a mortar or howitzer, and even with a burst of 30 mm BMP-2 autocannon, it won’t seem enough! IMHO.
Change your position (and, judging by the size and weight of this bulky gun mount, this is the whole thing, without a truck, probably, the coulters also drive into the ground for half a meter so that the "gun" gun doesn’t "pace" "recoilless" ?! ) and will have to make adjustments to an already compiled fire card ?! And again, "soap and water, our song is good, start over"?
And also, as can be seen from the movie (when the shooters have to very energetically hit the shutter-release handle to open it after reloading!), The designers completely don’t understand the essence of the combat use of their “creation”, they don’t even take into account the experience of their predecessors, when even a single-shot Degtyarev anti-tank rifle was made with a semi-automatic opening of the shutter after a shot!
This was done to speed up reloading and increase the rate of fire, a very important quality of combat weapons!
Here, in the Separatist (well, who gives such names to military weapons, you will be bitter while you speak , and isn't it funny to hear the phrase: "I shot from the separatist today"? ) "the recoil energy is not used, it is wasted, spent on harmful vibrations of the whole" structure ", and when you open the shutter, you will have to manually pound the handle each time, instead of just inserting the next shell and closing the shutter, simultaneously rolling the rifle body the cannons in their original position?! ... and if you do it under retaliatory fire of the enemy, in a really “dueling situation (after all, even Vard, you don’t believe in hitting a target from the first shot, suggest you shoot on the spot? ) "when fractions of a second decide" who whom "?!
Previously, there was a good rule for an imperial civil engineer: under the bridge designed and built by him, he became personally, and the bridge was loaded with a nominal load, and if it collapsed, then the one who designed and built it died! ...
This Separatist is not the separatist we all need! This one is from the "and we plowed" cycle! IMHO
Of course, it would be forgiven for an naive journalist to clap his ears with noodles hanging on them, praising yet another “sensation”, for the naive “who has fought a lot (according to his own words, or heard incorrectly and he said“ I have seen a lot ”?)

[serg999]

Again esgperdov ran ...

[Phil77]

Well, why are you doing this? People just express their points of view. And otherwise, why a site?

[cordon332]

What is the return? The trunk was rigidly fixed on a tripod, 60% took the muzzle brake, 40% of the recoil took the tripod, the barrel mount would be broken after a few shots, the installation in scrap metal. The level of 1812, but there even though the weapon was rolling away And here at point blank range.

[beeper]

So I think that there, even in the ground, the anchors are driven, about half a meter away, the recoil energy is illiterately lost (only to the detriment), instead of using the "slow-recoil" at the initial stage of the shot (while the projectile still accelerates in the barrel, and the body of the gun, with minimal external resistances, rolls back on the “bed” along the longitudinal axis of the barrel) and the subsequent, due to the accumulated recoil energy, semi-automatic opening of the shutter (with extraction of the sleeve in this case), followed by manual loading with the next “cartridge” and closing the shutter, at the same time (the already existing lever for opening and closing the shutter allows this to be done with minimal design changes, just put a carbon finger with a rotating sleeve in the right place on the bed (to reduce energy losses of the interacting parts and increase the reliability of the unit as a whole), and on the lever of the shutter, weld the corresponding cam) by rolling the sliding parts to the starting position for the next line la ...
The machine also asks for a remake, especially the “bed” itself under the body of an ersatz gun, and then it can be made not so heavy and wide!
Paws must be easily folded-locked in the stowed position and quickly brought into combat! .. on the paws-folding coulters, on the front paws-enlarged ...
A simple device of three rollers and a lever, welded to any metal workbench, will allow you to roll the desired curvature of the "profile" of the paws, get away from welding, increase operational strength and reliability, lighten weight and reduce the complexity of manufacturing!
In general, such “young self-made” ones, for accelerated megastimulation of creative thought, must be made to personally carry and carry out all the manipulations necessary when operating their products ! At the same time, “new design and technological solutions of units and mechanisms” will appear very quickly, and there will be “reserves for saving weight” and “reserves for reducing the laboriousness of maintenance and operation”! IMHO

[Sanny]

The sleep of reason begets monsters! In my opinion, it’s much more efficient to use a 45 mm gun from the time of the 2nd World War II! Accuracy and mobility are definitely higher! The security of the calculation is also higher. About the accuracy of forty can be found in the memoirs of war veterans.

[Vadim237]

In this version, it will require a Gazelle or the Urals - it’s easier to equip ZUShKI with optical sights and put it on the same platforms as anti-snipers will be much more effective, and the means of maintaining fire are the same.

[Phil77]

I almost wrote about this, this is a descendant of a tachanka. Only a descendant has an efficiency much lower.

[Bobik012]

easier to equip ZUSHKi with optical sights

It will be very funny for you, but it stands there normally ...

[Black sniper]

I completely agree with the 45th! I watched a video where VSUshnik from a hillock shot at a village from a similar thing. The separatist is better suited as a stationary point at the checkpoint, and not for the front ...

[Mountain shooter]

This is just the weapon you need in the Donbass. If used in bulk.

[Vadim237]

We are waiting for the creation of 30 graph paper, with a magazine for five shells.

[Black sniper]

50 is better

[NG inform]

We must identify ourselves as unionists, not separatists. Separatists in Kiev.

[Turkestan]

We charge armor-piercing shell In fact, it charges OFZ. Well done, of course, but the product turned out to be bulky. From the AM-23 gun it would turn out much better and much less.

[faradien]

Maybe better, only where to get it. After all, there they sculpt from what is, and most importantly, the trunk and the box.

[misti1973]

The barrel of the machine gun is not suitable for sniper shooting.

[123456789]

that they have absolutely nothing to fight there?
all that remains is a smelter for smelting tola from shells ...

[Clumsy]

It seems like, after 20 mm, there is already a cannon size

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Clubfoot

It seems like, after 20 mm, there is already a cannon size

From country to country is changing. For the Hans, EMNIP, after 15 mm the machine guns are already "ending", and for us this happens only 20 mm (from the 12,7 mm ShVAK machine gun they made a 20 mm gun of the same name). But, as I understand it, the common difference is the presence of a leading belt. If he is, this is a cannon.

[Black sniper]

There is a single-shot sniper 32 mm ;-)

[Clumsy]

You probably mixed up, caliber and mm., There is IL 32 caliber, or ,, the Germans didn’t just bore the rifles of a combat rifle, but they made new high-quality barrels of 16 caliber, allowing not to be limited to 32-28 calibers, they read it, but it's about sniper rifles , no matter how

[serge siberian]

“The need for inventions is cunning.” Maybe it’s useful. But if you consider that the guys live in wartime. And isolated from military goods. They think freely and productively.

[Baron pardus]

Mna. Compensate for the lack of size elsewhere. So, I’ll try to clarify if anyone does not know. By nibbling on optics for anything, you won’t make her a sniper. Romanian AKM, even with Swarovski’s scope, will not become a sniper. For some reason, they didn’t even try to make a sniper from FAL, but they did it from M14 and G3. A sniper rifle is a precision tool. And it consists of TWO components - actually weapons and ammunition. That is, you may have a PSG-1, but if you shoot Wolf cartridges from it, then the indicators will be completely different than if you shoot special sniper ammunition from it. If you shoot WOLF ohm then you do not need a PSG-1, you and FAL are enough. 23mm sniper ammunition NO. Generally. Not done. That is, they shoot ordinary. Charge machine-gun cartridges in SVD and look at the result. Sniper ammunition - 23mm NO. 23mm ammunition has a low initial speed, and, of course, low flatness.
Another component is the precise fit of all parts. We return to the example of FAL, M14 and G3. FN FAL is notable for its cheapness and reliability, but its accuracy is lame. Therefore, they did not even try to hang optics on him - it makes no sense. The G3 and M14 are distinguished by a more accurate fit of parts, the G3 is structurally exclusively accurate weapon. They made snipers from M14 and G3. Including the magnificent PSG-1. The accuracy incorporated in a design + accurate fit of parts. In the US Army, where I served for 6 years, the M24 is used - the usual Remington 700 that can be bought anywhere, except for the fact that the M24 is almost a hand-made weapon. All parts fit perfectly. And this shushpangever nothing like the video I do not see. The shutter closes with a blow of the palm. The trigger is generally some kind of stick. What is the use of shooting at 2 km, even if using a good sniper, (1 MOA) the dispersion will be 55 cm at 2 km, and this is if you have a sniper at the level of PSG 1 and is equipped with the corresponding ammunition. By the way, even from a good sniper bullet will fly at such a distance of 2.5 seconds. (PSG-1, initial speed of 890 m / s). And from this bandura, the initial speed is 715 m / s, God forbid, if 3MOA, although due to poor fit of parts, and the lack of special ammunition, the MOA I think that there is somewhere 5-6 in the best case, that is, the spread will be 3-3.5 meters for 2km. A bullet or projectile will fly in seconds 4.
By the way, for M82, machine-gun ammunition is NOT used. Well, yes, he can shoot M1.5 with machine-gun cartridges for 82 km, but whether it’s a hit is another question. Accuracy matters. And it depends on the design / quality of the finish and fit of parts and on the ammunition. But this mutant does not have this.
I’m not saying that this bandura is heavy, the muzzle brake EXCELLENTLY unmasks it, God forbid the rattle / dust, and after the first shot mortars will be fired at it, you won’t be able to quickly change position with such a bandura. That is, “geniuses” in the letter “G” from the DPR “invented” the worst version of the PTRD - a heavier, more noticeable, and with less trajectory persistence, and, most likely, worse armor penetration. You need to get out of a sniper rifle, moreover, go unnoticed, moreover, quickly change your position, but you can’t do anything with this device. My condolences to the relatives and friends of those who are sentenced to work is not this shushpangevere.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Baron Pardus

Mna We compensate for the lack of size elsewhere. So, I will try to explain if someone does not know. Sticking optics on anything you can’t do with her sniper.

2+2=4

Quote: Baron Pardus

Sniper ammunition - 23mm NO. 23mm ammunition has a low initial speed, and naturally low flatness.

Only you, sir, have forgotten - this is the ZENIT 23-mm ammunition. And the word "zenith" here is the key.

Quote: Baron Pardus

Another component is precise fitting of all spare parts. We return to the example of FAL, M14 and G3. FN FAL, different cheapness and reliability, but accuracy is lame. ....
All parts fit perfectly. And this shushpangerver nothing like the video I do not see. The shutter closes with a palm strike. The trigger is generally some sort of stick.

Fitting parts is very, very good. But this is a single charge Satan-Arba. Barrel with chamber - one single piece. The shutter remains in place after the shot, i.e. the bolt mechanism and the sleeve do not move anywhere from their place relative to the bore. Here, the fitting of moving parts of practical influence on the weapon until the end of the shot (the moment of separation of the projectile from the bore)

Quote: Baron Pardus

By the way, even from a good sniper, the bullet will fly to such a distance 2.5 seconds. (PSG-1, initial speed 890 m / s). And from this bandura, the initial speed is 715m / s,

From infa about 715? I've gobbled up that ZU-23 has a minimum of 970 m / s. And this is from ZU-23-, which are recharged due to the energy of removal of powder gases. Those. Muzzle energy is also spent on recharging. And in this, as you put it, shushpangervere - no. All by hand. Accordingly, the following argument is logical, but incorrectly used, we omit it. In addition, the mass, and hence the inertia, and therefore the ratio of the section plane to the momentum of the 23-mm projectile is not at all the same as that of the 7,62-mm, 12,7 and even 14,5-mm bullets. For size does matter. Including and in the field of masses too. The trajectory will be somewhat different. (One would like to recall Michal Mihalychevskoye - “have you tried to throw a mosquito”?).

Quote: Baron Pardus

I'm not saying that this bandura is heavy, the muzzle brake EXCELLENTLY unmasks it, crash / dust too, God forbid, and after the very first shot it will work out mortars, with such a bandura you will not change the position quickly. I mean, "geniuses" with the letter "G" from the DPR "invented" the worst version of the PTDD - heavier, more visible, and with less flatness of the trajectory, and, most likely, worse armor penetration.

Maybe the US Army is weaning it out of arithmetic? This is a mockery, of course, and I don't think so. But think about this expression. 23> 12,7> 7,62.
For comparison - 23 mm. it is even a bit (on 3 mm) more than the M20 Vulcan 61-mm. And the “Vulcan” with armor penetration is all right.
Oh, and how could I forget about the "Oerlikon" HS-820 ?! He's also 20-mm.

Quote: Baron Pardus

You need to get out of a sniper rifle, moreover, go unnoticed, moreover - quickly change the position, and with this device nothing can be done.

About to get into. You have forgotten - not a bullet can fly here, but an 23-mm explosive bomb. You can not get very accurately. You can just break the shelter sniper. And if you're lucky, then with a sniper.
About unmasking and changing positions. Here, too, the whole thing in size. If your “long arm” is longer than the opponent’s arm by a kilometer, or even more, then, mum-daragaya (hereinafter I quote you partially ...)

Quote: Baron Pardus

My condolences to relatives and friends ....

[MPN]

Let me (didn’t want to comment at all), I’ll make a very small clarification ...

Quote: Shuttle

Only you, sir, have forgotten - this is an anti-aircraft 23 mm munition. And the word "anti-aircraft" is the key here

Exactly ... The “shilka” never had a question of accuracy, on the contrary scattering was welcomed, and of course the engineering decisions of the creators took this into account. Conclusion, what sniper rifle from the barrel and ammunition "Shilka"?

[Likant]

Purely supplement your criticism of your opponent! In the DPR, I saw an anti-aircraft gun on the platform of a Volvo truck tractor. I will not say that a change of position is a long matter! :) And the eroded trunks from the “city” on motorcycles? Also do not stand still for a long time! Does the mortar hit 3 km? And in general, normal American weapons are being delivered to Ukraine, and we are shooting with different trash. Why are not only the brave warriors with their American bells and whistles still in Donetsk? :) Somewhere a superweapon is not rushing against handicraft ?! :)

[Likant]

Come to us! I personally agree: you will drive across the field in your jeep, and I will shoot at you! And no risk: she’s not a sniper! I won’t get into the eye! :) An HE shell does no harm at all! Come on!

[Bobik012]

23mm ammunition has a low muzzle velocity and naturally low flatness.

What!?

[Bobik012]

A new word in ballistics. From the beginning of its development, it was distinguished by excessive power, and then, suddenly, a low initial speed. There, the muzzle velocity is higher than that of any rifle caliber sniper. (At least for common cartridges).

[Baron pardus]

Quote: Sanny

The sleep of reason begets monsters! In my opinion, it’s much more efficient to use a 45 mm gun from the time of the 2nd World War II! Accuracy and mobility are definitely higher! The security of the calculation is also higher. About the accuracy of forty can be found in the memoirs of war veterans.

PTRD / PTRS also fit. It seems to me that even ZIS-2 would be better. I will explain. In view of the fact that accuracy did not stand next to this shushpanger, you can shoot from it only with light armored vehicles, only 23x115 armor penetration due to the low initial speed has never been famous. No, it’s possible to shoot at people too, only from far away you’ll get horseradish. 14.5 EMNIP is more armor-piercing. And then neither one nor the other will channel against the equipment with hinged screens, but ZIS-2 screened armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles will be sewed with a bang. However, the magpie (option with a longer barrel) will also come down. And about accuracy, you are right, and our forty, and the British 2 pounds (42mm) and Czech 47mm and German 50mm were very accurate.
But the calculation of this stoned genius product is suicide bombers. They will be noticed after the first shot, they will not have time to change their position and they will be covered with mortars. With the same success, you can arm people with pole mines, following the example of the Japanese, the result will be the same. I would have sentenced the creators of this "device" to Tomo so that they would be his calculation.

[Bobik012]

As far as I could understand, the ammunition was from ZUshka (i.e. 23x152) and not from the NS-23. It is unlikely that the aviation cartridge is common in the ground army. Yes, and this gun is almost never used in the air. So everything should look decent with penetration. I'm really not sure that this cartridge is produced with a BPS, the field of application is very specific. Although, for VYa, probably was in the nomenclature

[Engineer]

Crap, of course, but if ukroSMI writes about thousands of such rifles, then this will greatly undermine the already “fighting” spirit at the front line, and the desire of the ukrosniper to climb the front line with the probability of getting such an answer will decrease noticeably. So, as a combat one, it’s not very, judging by the video, but as a weapon of psychological deterrence it already works, judging by the comments under the video)

[slavaseven]

How resistant is the MT-LB armor to the ZU23?
Spoiled Zushka, adversaries!

[kutuz]

And why the trunk is not from the "Rapier"? I imagine its use as follows: a truck arrives in the field, 3-4 men about 15-20 minutes unload this crap and set it up and the field must be clean and the weather is clear well to shoot 3-4 kilometers. Yes, and probably optics need a more serious type of sight from the tank, though then you still need a gunner. After the first shot you need to quickly tick because It’s unlikely that you will be able to reload on the second shot, the answer will arrive immediately, and not get into a peasant who is standing almost at full height in the field, and even with such metal construction you need to be blind.

[romandostalo]

My memory serves me right, some time ago a topic was voiced with a photograph of Ukrainian fighters with an almost similar setup, it was written in the comments that the use of this shell in this variation is impossible because of the very large return. I’m not an expert, but I’ve seen how a jeep with an installed ZU-23 warps repeatedly on the same resource ... Somehow it turns out bad .....

[Voenoboz]

This thing will get javilinshikov.

[cost]

I'm afraid. no matter how she herself became a potential victim of a mortar

[NETZAH NETZAH_2]

Something I have already seen. ISIS (banned in Russia) in Syria. Coincidence?

[beeper]

Quote: Netzah Netzah_2

Something I have already seen. ISIS (banned in Russia) in Syria. Coincidence?

That is, Israel makes mobile gun mounts and supplies ISIS, or you, Netzah Netzah_2, yourself fought in the ranks of Ishilov’s terrorists ?!
And now the Israeli-Igilov (from your own words) gun mounts in the battle went to the Donetsk militias, and they are repairing trophies, bringing in their own instead of the lost parts of the mechanism and the bed ?!

[universe1]

Quote: Sadko88

Is it a rifle?

This is a gun. Everything from 20 mm and more is considered a gun.

[lukewarm]

It looks like a "cliff" without automation only)))

[tank64rus]

Do not spare weapons for the Donbass. After all, there people are fighting for Russia. Or we are not Russians.

[Black sniper]

Let as Crimea join, and they will have armata !!!

[akims]

This is not a combat option, it is rather fun for guests and potential sponsors. A big toy like that. Self-made small-sized grenade launchers are much more interesting.

[Voenoboz]

The thing is good, recoil does not break the collarbone, but it shoots with a shell. It looks like it is made of scrap, it’s a minimum of costs, a maximum of effect. The service staff is probably two people, two three accurate shots fired and fled.

[Sinbad]

Beautiful, but with this you do not run.

[Forever so]

Well, that’s it, now the barmalei with a squeal will begin to remake Zeushka into separatists. Interestingly, and Cornflower with the butt can do ??))

[Yarhann]

In my opinion, this is not an anti-sniper weapon, but rather a means to destroy lightly armored vehicles, all kinds of UAZ vehicles, etc. The firing range is comparable to an ATGM like a baby with a greater chance of being hit.
The meaning of such weapons is that the positions are usually at a distance of 1-2 km, or even closer and often put forward by truck or by car (UAZs of various types, etc.), and it makes sense to shoot at this crap. And it’s a disastrous matter to target anyone already on the positions - maybe a mine will fly ....

[Cat]

How many people do you need to carry? In principle, it is possible to fasten a sniper scope on the Rapier - the effect will be even greater

[Bobik012]

So, the Rapier has its own sight more abruptly than any sniper

[Likant]

Quote: faridg7

To call it a rifle, the language doesn’t turn. Anti-sniper complex may be. Children still need to work with this semi-finished product. I doubt that the machine will withstand such blows for a long time, it is too hard to do something with the shutter and takes a long time to open (it seems to me that due to the recoil, you can think of something with unlocking the shutter and ejecting the spent sleeve). Well, for a beginner gunsmith, it’s probably not bad — they will work on bugs and strive to do better — everything will work out. With experience and desire comes skill.

Believe me, the machine will withstand the whole term! The defense in Donetsk, like our “kulibins,” is doing worse than Kalashnikov! A rifle "cord" reminds, in mobility! :) If they put it on the stream, I’ll also ask for this from Kolyan (the neighbor)!

[Likant]

Quote: akims

This is not a combat option, it is rather fun for guests and potential sponsors. A big toy like that. Self-made small-sized grenade launchers are much more interesting.

Come on! We sorted the “hail” into trunks and made such “amusements”! .. Ilovaisky, airport, Debaltseve ... Oh, and there was amusement! And let the sponsors get wet in the “cord”! We and our forces are enough for our needs in weapons! :)

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Quote: 412

The best question, but for hell it is needed if there is a ZU-23-3, which is several times more effective.

The best answer, but you didn’t bring us ZU-23-3, which is several times more effective, redneck, so we shoot from what we have! :)

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Quote: Gato

How many people do you need to carry? In principle, it is possible to fasten a sniper scope on the Rapier - the effect will be even greater

Bring us a rapier, we’ll make it more efficient! :)

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Quote: Yarhann

In my opinion, this is not an anti-sniper weapon, but rather a means to destroy lightly armored vehicles, all kinds of UAZ vehicles, etc. The firing range is comparable to an ATGM like a baby with a greater chance of being hit.
The meaning of such weapons is that the positions are usually at a distance of 1-2 km, or even closer and often put forward by truck or by car (UAZs of various types, etc.), and it makes sense to shoot at this crap. And it’s a disastrous matter to target anyone already on the positions - maybe a mine will fly ....

Well! At least one smart person understood that “sniper” is not “getting into the eye, so as not to spoil the cap,” but mostly for small equipment! For "caps" SVD there is more! I’ll give a ride for a “field” invention, but whoever doubts, come: I think I can agree to shoot at you in your car, and at the same time we will check the “accuracy”! :) In the moto league, he hits the center for his caliber with good accuracy! I just don’t know about all the “new products” of our boys ... :(

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Quote: Sadko88

Is it a rifle?

We have a separate trunk from the "city" called "pugach"! But he not only scared! :) Is the rifle? Well - a rifle ... It doesn’t look like a tank ... :( Aircraft? - hardly! ... A rifle ... For my friend, who wore two oxygen balconies on his shoulders and dropped bottles by the valves like a gun "... :) By the way, a friend - a former master of sports and a miner! ..

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Quote: Sinbad

Beautiful, but with this you do not run.

Come on! :) I have a friend, so as not to walk twice, I took two oxygen balconies full of valves, threw (myself) on my shoulders and carried it! So he shot! In the meantime, we did a second walk behind the balconies - he smoked! I think such a thing to him and shooting with his hands is not a problem! :)

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Quote: Sanny

The sleep of reason begets monsters! In my opinion, it’s much more efficient to use a 45 mm gun from the time of the 2nd World War II! Accuracy and mobility are definitely higher! The security of the calculation is also higher. About the accuracy of forty can be found in the memoirs of war veterans.

PTRD / PTRS also fit. It seems to me that even ZIS-2 would be better. I will explain. In view of the fact that accuracy did not stand next to this shushpanger, you can shoot from it only with light armored vehicles, only 23x115 armor penetration due to the low initial speed has never been famous. No, it’s possible to shoot at people too, only from far away you’ll get horseradish. 14.5 EMNIP is more armor-piercing. And then neither one nor the other will channel against the equipment with hinged screens, but ZIS-2 screened armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles will be sewed with a bang. However, the magpie (option with a longer barrel) will also come down. And about accuracy, you are right, and our forty, and the British 2 pounds (42mm) and Czech 47mm and German 50mm were very accurate.
But the calculation of this stoned genius product is suicide bombers. They will be noticed after the first shot, they will not have time to change their position and they will be covered with mortars. With the same success, you can arm people with pole mines, following the example of the Japanese, the result will be the same. I would have sentenced the creators of this "device" to Tomo so that they would be his calculation.

I broke it: bring a good weapon! Are you not a pind ball here to be clever? When will your family be shot, will you be sorting out weapons? :) In short: the kid said - gofno, he took it and brought it nympho! And then the pindballs can only be clever! :(

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Quote: VOENOBOZ

The thing is good, recoil does not break the collarbone, but it shoots with a shell. It looks like it is made of scrap, it’s a minimum of costs, a maximum of effect. The service staff is probably two people, two three accurate shots fired and fled.

Why run away? Shot - left! In Donetsk, motorcycles have 50 percent of all equipment: it’s not a question to put on a makeshift platform! This is a trial version in a hospital, so why shoot from one place? You can weld it into a van or a pickup truck in general! A flight of fancy when your family is bombarded, it’s unlimited! :)

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Quote: Black Sniper

Let as Crimea join, and they will have armata !!!

Yes, we’ll collect our Armata, al not Russians? ;)