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Minus 140 billions in treasury and impending gasoline shortage

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Since June, Russia plans to significantly reduce the excise tax on gasoline and diesel fuel. In the Russian practice, it has not been for a long time that the executive and legislative authorities quickly agreed to reduce budget revenues!


Prices at gas stations crawling up is not the first month. Mark in 40 rubles per liter, they have already stepped across the country, now the average price of a liter of AI-95 is about 42 rubles. The increase is close to 10 percent, ahead of the official inflation rate, although for some reason they don’t want to admit it to the financial departments. However, the threat that, following fuel prices, all other prices will go up, becomes more real.



No one is surprised that the rise in fuel prices in Russia is traditionally explained to us by the increase in world oil prices. As you know, for the first time since 2014, they have overstepped the psychological threshold in 80 dollars per barrel. Not everyone, by the way, understands why, with a strengthening ruble, we definitely have to get into the load and rising prices for gasoline.

At the federal level, the head of the antimonopoly service, Igor Artemyev, most clearly formulated the problem. According to him, the rise in oil prices may lead to higher gasoline prices above inflation. But Artemyev has not gone further than this. But he immediately called the reduction in excise taxes an absolutely necessary measure.



According to him, the situation can be corrected, for example, by introducing a system of "floating" excise taxes. Such a system, according to the head of the FAS, is good precisely for its flexibility, when, after oil prices on the world market reach a certain level, the collection can be reduced already twice a year. Domestic fuel prices will stabilize due to this measure, Mr. Artemyev noted, adding that the agency entrusted to him has already sent this proposal to the Ministry of Finance.

At the same time, the Ministry of Finance still prefers to count mostly. As they say, debit with credit. Thus, according to the head of the financial department and first vice-premier Anton Siluanov, the Russian treasury will lose on the reduction of 140 excise taxes in billions of rubles.


Apparently, the official speaks of losses only in 2018 year. It’s difficult to judge whether it’s a lot or a little, because the budget is just rubber, and when I really wanted to, it was sequestered by spending, and now, when there is a real prospect of a surplus, they are cutting back on income.

Anton Siluanov did not say that he considers this step to be wrong, although it is his department that is great at cutting wings. But only he is not entitled to say a strict "no" to any request of deputies or federal departments. No, not about financial support, but at least about the timely fulfillment of budget commitments.

After all, as we had with it, it remains so: if something from the Ministry of Finance is given, then by all means at the last moment, when instead of normal subsidizing and crediting, we are talking about pushing the funds. Do not have time to spend - wait for the next fiscal year, a drastic reduction. And in means, and, as a result, in inquiries and prospects. This practice in Russia, especially in the outback, alas, is still the norm. Except, of course, for such significant projects as the Crimean Bridge or the World Football Championship.

The speed of the decision with excise taxes is explicable, and everyone, even people who have spent more than a few months, and years in the Duma offices, understand that not only people, but also many enterprises that have high transportation costs will benefit from gasoline prices. In addition, by stopping the rise in gasoline prices, you can pause, and with the best scenario, inflation as a whole can be completely nullified.

However, the vice-premier didn’t just count up his 140 billions in losses from new excises along with losses from VAT. And at the same time, he really seriously complained only that losses and regions would suffer. That, according to his testimony, is our reality, that is, the existing system of distributing the same VAT and excise revenues between the center and the regions.

In this regard, Siluanov tried to please precisely the regions: “along with the proposal to reduce excise taxes, a proposal will be submitted to the Budget Code to change the proportions of excise tax payments between the Federation and the subjects so that the regions will not suffer”.

But it is possible that, following positive measures, with the suggestion of the same Ministry of Finance, a measure may follow, which can simply kill all this positive. As soon as we talked about the need to reduce gasoline excise taxes in order to avoid uncontrolled growth, rumors about fuel supply quotas went not only for sowing or northern deliveries, but also for a number of other projects and tasks that are not amenable to any accounting and control. The reason is quite predictable shortage of cheapening fuel in a number of the very regions for the welfare of which Anton Siluanov is so worried.

It seems that the lion’s share of gasoline, be it expensive or cheap, someone upstairs, it is possible that in the Ministry of Finance will soon be completely Soviet-style “to paint” on its own. By ministries and departments, by companies and state corporations. I do not even want to write about the potential for corruption and the possible consequences of such a measure.

Minus 140 billions in treasury and impending gasoline shortage


Nevertheless, it is already known from open sources that the excise tax per ton of gasoline is reduced by 3700 rubles, and per ton of diesel fuel - by 2700 rubles. To recalculate per liters, it would seem easier than ever. And it seems that we are talking about a fall in prices immediately, not on a penny, but in rubles. But believe in this, I'm sorry, with difficulty.

Rather, you will believe that numerous gas stations will start to close immediately in the country due to the fuel shortage. And it will be explained to us, among other things, by the fact that, they say, prices are falling and demand is growing. And it is growing at a frantic pace, as if motorists are pouring not liters of 30-40 at a time into tanks, but a ton or even two.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 26 May 2018 04: 36
    +42
    The whole problem is that there, at the top, they lost absolutely every connection with reality .... How far they are from the people ... For them, price increases and small salaries are abstract concepts ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 May 2018 04: 51
      +38
      Quote: Vard
      The whole problem is that there, at the top, they lost absolutely every connection with reality .... How far they are from the people ... For them, price increases and small salaries are abstract concepts ...

    2. Deck
      Deck 26 May 2018 05: 44
      +63
      Two things are needed from the people: votes in elections and money. With the first sorted out, our Clear Sun chosen. Now you can do the basic and favorite thing - our money. But cho, the people warmly support. And who does not like that liberalist!
      1. Russia
        Russia 26 May 2018 06: 09
        +10
        We are like cancer patients, hopelessness. We listen and hope for the best.
      2. Sergey-svs
        Sergey-svs 26 May 2018 06: 53
        +57
        Russia's problem is not that it cannot feed the poor, but that the rich cannot get drunk in any way ... negative
        PS And they also say that in Russia it is impossible to rise from the bottom ... request Yes, here's an example: Artyom Chaika is young, successful and has achieved everything himself ... Just look at him - well, is it not direct evidence of the steady growth of the Russian economy ... Yes

        laughing laughing laughing
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 26 May 2018 14: 18
          +10
          with such a habit, it won’t last long
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 26 May 2018 06: 31
      +8
      Quote: Vard
      For them, price increases and small salaries are abstract concepts ...

      You are the HAPPY PEOPLE who do not realize this: in Moldova gasoline costs 80 Russian rublesand s / board is less.
      Machines, however = not getting smaller ...
      1. Deck
        Deck 26 May 2018 06: 44
        +36
        We are Russian people. We care about our own country. There is gas in Sudan now at 21 rubles, Iran at 17 rubles and in Venezuela 6 rubles. And what? Have you realized and become HAPPY?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 26 May 2018 06: 47
          +8
          Quote: Deck
          We are Russian people. We care about our own country. There is gas in Sudan now at 21 rubles, Iran at 17 rubles and in Venezuela 6 rubles. And what? Have you realized and become HAPPY?

          Nothing. Compare - Compare.
          If you think Sudan is happier, then ...
          1. Deck
            Deck 26 May 2018 06: 58
            +45
            That you measure happiness with gasoline. And then there is no Putin in Sudan - what could be happiness?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 26 May 2018 09: 01
              +6
              Quote: Deck
              That you measure happiness with gasoline

              crying is about gasoline.
              Quote: Deck
              And then there’s no Putin in Sudan - which may to be happiness?

              Simple, human ... Yes
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 26 May 2018 14: 20
                +15
                Quote: Olgovich
                crying is about gasoline.

                but does an increase in the price of a liter of gasoline lead to an increase in the price of delivery of goods to the store? Look at the road-wagons, wagons and wagons.
                Or do you think that increasing the price of the transport component leads to cheaper goods?
                1. Yarhann
                  Yarhann 26 May 2018 22: 23
                  +4
                  you can’t imagine how small the transport component is in the final price tag on the counter. usually the increase in the price of benz is just an occasion for networkers to raise the price tag for the end consumer, while, of course, if the price of gasoline and diesel fuel fall, they will not lower the price tags.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 26 May 2018 23: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: Yarhann
                    you can’t imagine how small the transport component is in the final price tag on the counter.

                    maybe, but I see how the price rises.
                    Enough GDP to listen on this
                    1. Bad_santa
                      Bad_santa 27 May 2018 01: 02
                      +4
                      Come on, you should consider how much prices will fall or not change. I can immediately say. that gasoline will catch up with current prices after 2-3 months after the decline. This decrease in excise taxes is a direct robbery of the country. The fact is that with constant excise taxes and rising fuel prices, the percentage of the excise component of the price will only increase. In short, they will tear in the same way, but not in the state’s pocket, but in private hands.

                      We all remember how the ruble galloped after the imposition of sanctions. People who receive income in rubles from these jumps only lost, and those who keep money in foreign currency simply pulled money from our pockets and put it to themselves. If this roguish power changes, then in the History of Russia there will be a theme, how in 2014 the country suffered a general robbery of the population, comparable to the robbery in the early 90's
                  2. faiver
                    faiver 27 May 2018 10: 57
                    +2
                    how small is the transport component in the final price tag on the counter

                    it depends on where, tell about it in Tiksi ...
                    1. Yarhann
                      Yarhann 29 May 2018 21: 31
                      0
                      by the way, holes are not taken into account - I’m talking about the European part of the Russian Federation, where most of the population with a high density and approximately the same income level lives.
                      delivery to holes and dopas in the Russian Federation for the most part is also not a road because of fuel but because of the complexity of logistics - because often you need to use not only roads but also aviation. A low population density and in general the number of consumers greatly increase the margin on each unique commodity unit.
                  3. TOR2
                    TOR2 27 May 2018 13: 27
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarhann
                    you can’t imagine how small the transport component is in the final price tag on the counter. usually rising benz prices is just a reason for networkers to raise the price tag for the end user

                    If only the transport component. Agricultural machinery also needs fuel, and another item has been added. The food base is usually on the edge and this is understandable. The authorities inside such bases organize parking for personal vehicles of employees. With rising fuel prices, employees will have an idea - but not to find a job closer. In addition, there are times when many have to linger after work. And what to do in this case? Service bus. And there are many who want to ride an hour and a half on a company bus after a long shift. In addition, the bus also costs money. Here is another item of additional expenses.
                    Of course, you can scuffle about personal vehicles, but for organizations that are on the periphery, a significant increase in fuel prices can lead to a serious problem.
                  4. Decfficer
                    Decfficer 30 May 2018 01: 40
                    0
                    then the owners are fighting for the account of each liter!
                2. helmi8
                  helmi8 26 May 2018 22: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  but does an increase in the price of a liter of gasoline not lead to an increase in the price of delivery of goods to the store?

                  Especially with Russian distances ... This is not critical for Europe, but alas for us ... Soon we will see everything for ourselves.
          2. Winnie76
            Winnie76 26 May 2018 11: 26
            +3
            Quote: Olgovich
            Nothing. Compare - Compare.

            Eva how. Do you think Moldova and Russia are comparable? What are some interesting criteria ...
        2. the most important
          the most important 26 May 2018 15: 11
          +11
          Quote: Deck
          There is gas in Sudan now at 21 rubles, Iran at 17 rubles and in Venezuela 6 rubles. And what?

          Do not fool citizens !! In Venezuela, gasoline is 10 kopecks per liter !!!! And there, Maduro is just thinking about the people! And there are fair elections. The president is obliged to think about the people, and not about how only clowns are allowed to the elections.
          1. Gargantua
            Gargantua 26 May 2018 16: 32
            +10
            [media = https: //m.youtube.com/watch? v = TrbZuAnoMTM]
            Quote: the most important
            Quote: Deck
            There is gas in Sudan now at 21 rubles, Iran at 17 rubles and in Venezuela 6 rubles. And what?

            Do not fool citizens !! In Venezuela, gasoline is 10 kopecks per liter !!!! And there, Maduro is just thinking about the people! And there are fair elections. The president is obliged to think about the people, and not about how only clowns are allowed to the elections.

            Well, firstly, Maduro is not thinking about the people, but about maintaining his head and more power. People live there so poorly, and so little work that gas prices are not as relevant for them as they are for us. And oil production and, as a result, budget revenues are falling due to the nationalization of oil production. I am not against Maduro, but just FOR, but he rules, to put it mildly, not very smart. Thank God that he kept power, although he hung in the balance from the fate of Gaddafi.
            You are right about the election. In Russia, even if the authorities allow an opposition candidate for election, they will be “devoured” by manual media. More than once it passed. The most recent case is with Grudinin. It was just a shame for our power and the media, a complete shame.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 May 2018 17: 17
              +1
              You know, if instead of the "people's billionaire" Grudinin, they put some sort of plant manager or a private trader in general, no one would dig to him at all - and there would be nothing.
              1. Gargantua
                Gargantua 26 May 2018 18: 57
                +12
                Quote: Vadim237
                You know, if instead of the "people's billionaire" Grudinin, they put some sort of plant manager or a private trader in general, no one would dig to him at all - and there would be nothing.

                What a stupid statement winked Apparently you are very far from power structures. Anyone to confirm that there would be a person, and an article for him will always be found. And the fact that you are not convicted yet is not your merit, but their defect wink
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 26 May 2018 19: 21
                  +3
                  Quote: Gargantua
                  What a stupid statement. Apparently you are very far from power structures.

                  We have a millionaire. Dollar. negative
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 26 May 2018 23: 44
                  +1
                  For Grudinin, the main presentation was to his accounts and fortune — and it was justified; billions of rubles could not be earned at the state farm, at least 50000 tons of strawberries were shipped every year for 10 years.
                  1. Gargantua
                    Gargantua 27 May 2018 08: 48
                    +4
                    And now where are all these “high-profile” cases on equity holders and foreign accounts? Where are the investigations on the most important issues for the country that were shown all day in every news release? The answer is clear, of course, law enforcement officers have nothing to it, otherwise they would have shown it a long time ago. Putin just showed all his vile side, afraid of real competition.
                    1. anykin
                      anykin 28 May 2018 12: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: Gargantua
                      And now where are all these “high-profile” cases on equity holders and foreign accounts?

                      So foreign accounts are not a crime. It is only necessary to declare them in time for the elections. Claims to do business are not high-profile cases, but actions characterizing a candidate for a position.
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 29 May 2018 09: 01
                      0
                      Quote: Gargantua
                      And now where are all these “high-profile” cases on equity holders and foreign accounts? Where are the investigations on the most important issues for the country that were shown all day in every news release? The answer is clear, of course, law enforcement officers have nothing to it, otherwise they would have shown it a long time ago. Putin just showed all his vile side, afraid of real competition.
                      I'm embarrassed to ask WHERE Grudinin himself? what is he silent about? he’s embarrassed? or is he afraid to get out? is he afraid of power? so power is not Americans / Chinese / NATO, if he was afraid of power, how would he be afraid of all of the above?
                      1. Gargantua
                        Gargantua 29 May 2018 11: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        "I’m embarrassed to ask WHERE Grudinin himself is? what is he silent about? is he ashamed? or is he afraid to get out? is he afraid of power? so the authorities are not Americans / Chinese / NATO, if he was afraid of power, how would he be afraid of all of the above?

                        What should he do? Maybe, like Pavlenko, nail their genitals to the floor with the presidential administration? Or should he build barricades on Kashirka near his state farm and abolish the power of the present bandits?
      2. passing
        passing 26 May 2018 07: 13
        +11
        You are HAPPY PEOPLE who do not realize this: in Moldova gasoline costs 80 Russian rubles, and wages are less.

        So you have no nifig, no gas, no oil, no electricity. And we have this overwhelmed, but our hucksters sell us "snow" and still do not choke
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 26 May 2018 09: 02
          +3
          Quote: passing
          So you have no nifig, no gas, no oil, no electricity. And we have this overwhelmed, but our hucksters sell us "snow" and still do not choke

          Should it be free?
      3. forester
        forester 26 May 2018 09: 27
        +12
        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: Vard
        For them, price increases and small salaries are abstract concepts ...

        You are the HAPPY PEOPLE who do not realize this: in Moldova gasoline costs 80 Russian rublesand s / board is less.
        Machines, however = not getting smaller ...

        No need to compare - Moldova buys oil and Russia sells, so we are indignant - the domestic price of oil products in Russia should not depend on fluctuations in the foreign market
        1. trifle
          trifle 26 May 2018 18: 04
          0
          [quote] [quote] [quote = logger] [quote = Olgovich] [quote = V
          ard] For them, price increases and small salaries are abstract concepts ... [/ quote]
          You are the HAPPY PEOPLE who do not realize this: in Moldova gasoline costs 80 Russian rublesand s / board is less.
          Machines, however = not getting smaller ... [/ quote]
          No need to compare - Moldova buys oil and Russia sells, so we are indignant - the domestic price of oil products in Russia should not depend on fluctuations in the foreign market [/ quote]
          The state has taxes on oil exports. If you keep domestic fuel prices low, then expect a shortage, as it is not profitable and it will be exported. In countries such as Venezuela and Iran, the price of gasoline is subsidized by the government within the country, and here they are below market prices. Recently, the Emirates or the Saudis (now I do not remember) removed this subsidy. I agree that now the price of gas is too high, but it should not be too cheap.
          1. Alf
            Alf 26 May 2018 19: 52
            +6
            Quote: trifle
            If you keep domestic fuel prices low, then expect a shortage, as it is not profitable and it will be exported.

            And if its production for the "domestic" increase? Then the exporters will be full and the economy is intact. Moreover, strictly monitor the distribution. Although what am I talking about? Strictly monitor our power knows only the income of an ordinary citizen.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 27 May 2018 16: 49
              +1
              Quote: Alf
              And if its production for the "domestic" increase

              You don’t even have to increase it - a table of domestic consumption and oil export is compiled, an approximate increase in domestic consumption is determined as a percentage, and it is for this amount of domestic oil consumption that excise taxes are reduced. AND EVERYTHING! The observance of the correctness of the calculations is monitored by the FAS. It should be. But what is, except for the mat does not cause words. Which moron came up with the idea of ​​reducing excise taxes on all oil? !! am
            2. your1970
              your1970 29 May 2018 09: 03
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: trifle
              If you keep domestic fuel prices low, then expect a shortage, as it is not profitable and it will be exported.

              And if its production for the "domestic" increase? Then the exporters will be full and the economy is intact. Moreover, strictly monitor the distribution. Although what am I talking about? Strictly monitor our power knows only the income of an ordinary citizen.
              - with an increase in production (even "for the inside"), the price falls in the international market and forces it to rise in the domestic.
      4. Maksus
        Maksus 27 May 2018 01: 32
        0
        Got it, you won in Holland benz at 1,64 € Euro per liter, ride. So our bureaucrats are all the same in Europe, and they will say that we have as much as 2,5 times cheaper. Why does her people rejoice?
        1. faiver
          faiver 27 May 2018 11: 07
          +1
          The average salary in the Netherlands for 2017 is 2 855 euros per month
      5. would
        would 27 May 2018 02: 37
        +1
        And since when does a country like Russia have to equal a country like Moldova? recourse
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 May 2018 02: 44
          +1
          Quote: rait
          And since when does a country like Russia have to equal a country like Moldova? recourse

          And we’ll know how to lay down a brick. Yes
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 27 May 2018 02: 50
          +1
          Quote: rait
          since when does a country like Russia have to equal a country like Moldova?

          And she is for sure should? And for what? what
          1. would
            would 27 May 2018 08: 26
            +2
            So I ask exactly the same question to comrade Olgovich ...
      6. siberalt
        siberalt 27 May 2018 09: 05
        +1
        In Kazakhstan, AI-92 gasoline is about 160 tenge. The ruble to tenge exchange rate is 1 to 5. In the system of excise taxes on fuel, the price of oil does not practically affect the cost of fuel at gas stations, so it is about 2% of the share in this price.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 26 May 2018 07: 51
      +17
      If the government considers the state treasury personal, then they can lose their 140 lard. And if the treasury is popular, then what kind of loss can we talk about, if excise taxes (overpayment for fuel) remain with him, and the standard of living does not deteriorate from inflation? belay
      1. dSK
        dSK 26 May 2018 22: 49
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        standard of living does not deteriorate from inflation

        Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that between Moscow and Ankara, finally, an agreement was reached on a discount on gas delivered to the country in 2015 and 2016. Its size was 10,25 percent, as the Turkish leader specified. He noted that about one billion dollars will return to Turkey - this is the difference in payment for these same two years. The fact that the agreement with Moscow will allow $ 1 billion to be returned to the Turkish state budget, according to Erdogan’s words, Anadolu Ajansı Agency 26/05/18.
        The Turkish president emphasized that, in the framework of the agreement with Moscow, Ankara received a generous - a little over ten percent - discount for Russian gas already delivered through the Blue Stream and Western branches. Thus, a recalculation will be made, within the framework of which a decent amount will be returned to the Turkish treasury.
        In his speech, Erdogan said that the discount was discussed three years ago, back in 2015. But then Russia did not make concessions, and Ankara appealed to the International Arbitration on this issue. This was followed by long discussions of the issue and long negotiations, which finally ended with a pleasant result for Ankara.
        “Following long discussions, an agreement was reached on a discount of 10,25 percent on gas delivered in 2015 and 2016. The difference in payment for these two years, namely $ 1 billion, will be returned to Turkey, ”Erdogan said.
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 27 May 2018 02: 51
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        siberalt

        Minus
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 May 2018 04: 05
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Minus

          Roman, are you this? Where did you go? Well, golly, I'm glad to see you. drinks
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 27 May 2018 04: 18
            0
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Roman, are you this? Where did you go? Well, golly, I'm glad to see you

            Greetings, also glad.
            Health .... um.
            On Monday to work - "crap stuffed."
            Everything is sad, if honestly ...
    5. Gradus HuK
      Gradus HuK 28 May 2018 00: 32
      +1
      Shiver, bourgeois, the last fight has come
      The whole poor class is up against you
      He smiled, laughed, broke all the chains,
      And she fights for freedom like a hero ... Soon in all the cities of the Motherland!
  2. svp67
    svp67 26 May 2018 04: 36
    +22
    However, the threat that, following fuel prices, all other prices will go up, is becoming more and more real.
    But miracles do not happen when the price of fuel affects the cost of planting and harvesting, transporting and exporting products, transportation costs for the population, etc., etc., then prices will rise MANDATORY ... And when talking about excise taxes, one more reason for this is forgotten. a jump in prices, Medvedev’s very “wise” decision to conduct a “tax maneuver”, as a result of which the supply of oil abroad has become MUCH more profitable than inside the country ... Maybe it is worth evaluating the benefits of this decision by Mr. Medvedev?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 May 2018 05: 01
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      Medvedev’s very “wise” decision to conduct a “tax maneuver”, as a result of which the supply of oil abroad became MUCH more profitable than inside the country ... Maybe it is worth evaluating the benefits of this decision by Mr. Medvedev?

      So he cares for us, but you don’t understand the whole policy of anchovy ... feel
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 26 May 2018 05: 42
        +16
        according to the head of the financial department and first vice-premier Anton Siluanov, the Russian treasury will lose 140 billion rubles in reducing excise taxes.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 26 May 2018 05: 48
          +2
          Did you find the bottom? wink
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 26 May 2018 08: 56
            +8
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Did you find the bottom? wink


            As always. It seems they found it, but then someone knocked from below ...
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 26 May 2018 08: 20
      +26
      Quote: svp67
      And in the conversation about excise taxes, as one more reason for this price jump is forgotten, Medvedev’s very “wise” decision to conduct a “tax maneuver”, as a result of which oil supplies abroad became MUCH more profitable than inside the country ..

      And when were Mr. Medvedev’s decisions not “wise”? One translation of arrows back and forth for several billion state rubles is worth what! lol And what about the ban on a bullet? Well, what a saving for energy was formed when the Chinese began to do instead of 100W, - 95! laughing For how the manufacturers and numerous intermediaries of Chinese LEDs have "welded". I’m generally silent about the “effective” entry of a sweet couple of GDP with DAM into the WTO - it was the hit of the season and the last nail in the lid of the coffin, though it’s not communism anymore, but the privatized industry, as their red-headed friendship redhead Tolyan likes to put it, lol lol lol
      Well, what can you do if they do not know how differently, and the majority opinion in the elections should be respected?
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 26 May 2018 11: 38
        +10
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        And when were Mr. Medvedev’s decisions not “wise”?

        And where is our truth-seeker, ideological Medvedev, Alexander Romanov? His idol is watered ... Probably tasting port wine.
        1. ivagulin
          ivagulin 26 May 2018 15: 10
          +2
          his grants from the government are over
        2. Alf
          Alf 26 May 2018 15: 33
          +7
          Quote: Winnie76
          And where is our truth-seeker, ideological Medvedev, Alexander Romanov? His idol is watered ...

          On holiday. The job is done, the employer is chosen. After 5 years, a hot misery will begin, a new training manual will be launched, and praise, praise and explanations to the plebs about the good king will begin.
      2. your1970
        your1970 29 May 2018 09: 08
        0
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        I’m generally silent about the “effective” entry of a sweet couple of GDP with DAM into the WTO - it was the hit of the season and the last nail in the lid of the coffin, though not communism, but privatized industry,


        keep quiet about the WTO - since you are not a customs officer, you don’t know so many nuances ...
        For example, what did the GATT ask for as early as ... Khrushchev !!!
        that they entered as an observer at Gorbachev and so on
        about duties on OUR steel before Trump raised it - remember? so they were five times less than under the USSR thanks to the WTO
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 29 May 2018 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          about duties on OUR steel before Trump raised it - remember? so they were five times less than under the USSR thanks to the WTO

          AND...?
          What is the effect of the WTO? Is it that under the USSR prices for the domestic market were regulated by the state, and now by the owners of PPPs?
          So in the morning he woke up, looked at the quotes and "lupanul" from the heart, that the first got into his head? That is exactly what happened when the Ukrainian metal was "cut off". Our rental prices immediately jumped interest on 30! These are the "market" relations of "domestic" manufacturers to the domestic market. lol
          So who benefits from the WTO, if prices rise under any pretext, there is no promised "competition" in fact, and the opening of economic "borders" has transferred the Russian Federation from the category of highly developed industrial powers to a crammed with highly developed foreign technological "products"serving the "pipe" gas station?
          So what is the benefit of the WTO for me personally? The fact that we have no professional manufacturers left, unlike the "traders"? The fact that some production has already been completely lost? Or the fact that Mr. Deripaska and others like him, at lower cost to their loved ones, will push national resources over the hill?
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 26 May 2018 09: 30
      +14
      Since June 1, the fare on minibuses has been increasing by 20%. Thanks to our government! They have already settled in their places for the next 6 years and will continue to come up with what else to take from the people to increase their “general condition”. belay But on the world championships foreigners will be transported by train "for free" at our expense.
    4. ty60
      ty60 26 May 2018 22: 11
      0
      mishandled Cossack. In Butyrku his
    5. Yarhann
      Yarhann 26 May 2018 22: 28
      -1
      this is the main reason for the increase in the price of fuel, when it is more profitable to sell oil with raw materials and not process it and supply it to the domestic market, then naturally there will be a shortage in the market and a rise in prices. That is, essentially nothing changes conceptually by reducing the excise tax - simply the budget will receive less in the tree, and oil traders will receive more in the dollar. although of course it is better to balance this matter - perhaps reducing the excise tax is one of the options. even 140 lard is a penny for the budget.
    6. the villain
      the villain 27 May 2018 11: 43
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      another reason for this jump in prices, Medvedev’s very “wise” decision to conduct a “tax maneuver”, as a result of which oil supplies abroad became MUCH more profitable than inside the country ...

  3. ltc35
    ltc35 26 May 2018 05: 07
    +8
    The question arises: why is the government willing to tighten the belt by its willful decision, and there is no way to oblige the oil industry workers to restrain their appetites?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 May 2018 05: 48
      +5
      Quote: ltc35
      The question arises: why is the government willing to tighten the belt by its willful decision, and there is no way to oblige the oil industry workers to restrain their appetites?

    2. siberalt
      siberalt 26 May 2018 09: 51
      +2
      The share of "oil workers" together with processors in the price of gasoline is about 17%. Travel expenses and fueling another 20. The rest is excise taxes. winked The lowest excise taxes on fuel in Europe are in Ukraine. But they do not produce oil.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 May 2018 11: 49
        0
        "The lowest excise tax on fuel in Europe" - Europe buys gasoline from Russia, as it is cheap.
  4. serg999
    serg999 26 May 2018 05: 41
    +3
    You, liberals, do not do it - everything is dicky ... In any decision, find only the negative, even in such as reducing excise taxes ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 26 May 2018 10: 40
      +21
      You, liberals, do not do it - everything is dicky.
      this joke is out of date, ask the authorities to replace the training manual.
    2. Alf
      Alf 26 May 2018 15: 35
      +6
      Quote: serg999
      You, liberals, do not do it - everything is dicky ... In any decision, find only the negative, even in such as reducing excise taxes ...

      And will gas prices go down too?
    3. Deck
      Deck 27 May 2018 08: 44
      +4
      You, liberals, do not do it - everything is dicky ... In any decision, find only the negative, even in such as reducing excise taxes ...


      Yes, we are liberals! We do not want to feed the Vekselbergs, Abramovia, the Mamuts, the Rotenbergs and the Timchenkovs there with the Deripsks. You didn’t educate us. Work more carefully.
    4. Galleon
      Galleon 28 May 2018 12: 11
      0
      Excise tax reduction is a wonderful thing! Now it is possible to justify outlays on social and defense spending, which Kudrin and his brood took so long to talk about. Is this a good positivist, do you think?
  5. bandabas
    bandabas 26 May 2018 05: 46
    +19
    Will reduce. increase ... Anyway, gasoline will rise in price again sad Reasons and explanations will find the sea.
  6. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 26 May 2018 06: 33
    +10
    They punished the country with an incompetent liberal government, and they rushed to rob the people on a plausible pretext! It was necessary to demand the resignation of the Vedmedeva and this supposedly government all over Russia! For what the Lord Russia punishes mediocrity in power at all levels, I do not understand! !!
    1. populist
      populist 26 May 2018 07: 14
      +11
      ANCIENT
      For what the Lord Russia punishes mediocrity in power at all levels, I do not understand! !!

      Why does the Lord punish Russia with stupid people (electorate) ??? request request request crying
    2. Moore
      Moore 26 May 2018 07: 20
      +19
      Do not tell me who appointed and blessed this bunch of witnesses Gaydarovs? Isn't that the one they voted so amicably for?
    3. passing
      passing 26 May 2018 07: 22
      +12
      Quote: ANCIENT
      They punished the country with an incompetent liberal government, and they rushed to rob the people on a plausible pretext! It was necessary to demand the resignation of the Vedmedeva and this supposedly government all over Russia! For what the Lord Russia punishes mediocrity in power at all levels, I do not understand! !!

      So they themselves are to blame. Directors, how they chose! Already drooling flew on the keyboard.
      Who is for earnings, at least you can understand. And the rest? negative I hope in the next election, idiots for EP will vote a little
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 26 May 2018 07: 37
        +2
        To paraphrase one hero of the film I’ll say - “everything is already quintered for us” !!!
      2. Alf
        Alf 26 May 2018 15: 36
        +3
        Quote: passing
        I hope in the next election, idiots for EP will vote a little

        Bet that will be more?
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 27 May 2018 04: 29
          +1
          It will be as always. We voted "For", for what of us? beeeee?
      3. Skarpzd
        Skarpzd 27 May 2018 02: 54
        0
        There is no hope.
  7. Sars
    Sars 26 May 2018 07: 26
    +15
    The state compensated for the losses from the sanctions to the famous laborer Mr. (sorry, I do not know how Jewish is Mr.) to Rottenberg in the amount of one billion American rubles. Does Silunov consider this money to be a budget loss?
    1. ty60
      ty60 26 May 2018 22: 15
      +2
      30 percent flowed smoothly into the account ... The one who decides
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    1. Giants
      Giants 26 May 2018 14: 46
      +8
      Quote: Perviy
      Siluanov recently said that we have few toll roads!

      This is an easily resolved issue. The old roads should be repaired, put up barriers on them and it’s ready - a new toll road. The ghouls understand that the period is limited, so the main task is to knock out as much of the population as possible. Come up with new taxes, cut down the dough and in mud. I am surprised at the complete silence on the VO about robbery in broad daylight: Russians' pension savings will freeze forever.
    2. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 27 May 2018 02: 59
      0
      this is where we have free roads ??? we pay for them. and how. last June shook up the suspension completely. not a year has passed, again the back must be done - roads Mlyn. here 2 killed wheels along with the wheels and one cost only replacing the rubber. and when this May will end only ...
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 26 May 2018 08: 07
    +7
    What is not being done is all for the better ... In the sense that the rich will become richer, poor, poorer ... All the same, people with a nose will remain .. Deceived ...
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 26 May 2018 08: 49
      +1
      Business and nothing personal wink lol
  10. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 May 2018 09: 12
    +1
    According to him, rising oil prices could lead to higher gas prices
    and the decline in oil prices can not lead to a drop in gas prices?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 26 May 2018 09: 41
      +7
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      According to him, rising oil prices could lead to higher gas prices
      and the decline in oil prices can not lead to a drop in gas prices?

      no, because you’ll have to make compensation for the “flattened homies of the Tsar” shortages in the foreign market at the expense of the domestic ... Business, ... b, in Russian - "they sold alcohol - they drank money" fool .
  11. samarin1969
    samarin1969 26 May 2018 09: 47
    +3
    Reduce excise taxes on the domestic market, while increasing oil export duties. With rising world prices, these are logical measures.
  12. RainTNT
    RainTNT 26 May 2018 11: 07
    +11
    140 billion loss? Rather, it can be called lost profits, but not as LOSSES. Siluanov in his own spirit. And these people will make an economic breakthrough.)
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 May 2018 11: 14
    +8
    business as it is and how to make billions.
    As we know, Magnit recently became the largest Russian bank VTB. And even after the purchase, the retailer’s shares continued to decline slowly.
    The former management of Magnit, even under Galitsky, said that this year it was not going to pay any dividends on shares, because the financial situation of the company this year was not the best.
    But the new owner, represented by VTB, makes a completely different decision. And this year, the company's shareholders will receive dividends of 135,5 rubles per share. And this is a very interesting moment !!!
    In this case, about 37 billion rubles will fall into VTB accounts, as a major owner of a block of shares. On this decision, the stock of the magnet went up. Again, their total value increased on the balance sheet of the same VTB. The bank can report on the so-called paper profit.
    And the other day there is news that VTB managed to sell half of its block of shares to a certain Marathon Group. A piquant detail, the co-owners of this group are the son-in-law of our beloved Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
    What does VTB give a loan to Marathon Group for the purchase of Magnit shares ... That is, it turns out that the bankers made a little more money by crediting the deal ...)))
    And after that, VTB announces publicly that it will buy Magnit shares on the open market! After this, the shares again go up, and their book value again increases, only now on the accounts of the Marathon Group!
    Well, and what did Magnet himself get in this whole chain? Nothing! I just lost the cache, which he will have to give in the form of dividends ...
    The game is done, gentlemen!
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  15. fa2998
    fa2998 26 May 2018 11: 42
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    You are HAPPY PEOPLE who do not realize this: in Moldova gasoline costs 80 Russian rubles, and wages are less.

    In Moldova, imported oil products, Russia needs to be compared with the leaders in oil exports - S. Arabia, Venezuela, etc.
    And about your salaries, Moldova is striving for Europe, a good journey-building and toilets are waiting for them! hi
  16. fa2998
    fa2998 26 May 2018 12: 00
    +2
    Quote: RainTNT
    140 billion loss? Rather, it can be called lost profits, but not as LOSSES. Siluanov in his own spirit. And these people will make an economic breakthrough.)

    You are right, the price of the main export product should be felt by all the inhabitants of Russia, the entire economy. And so the government raises money from exports, and even strips its population. Money disappears into obscure funds, we buy US debt bonds, all kinds of corruption deals.
    Cheap gasoline domestically is an additional advantage for other exporters, and inflation will slow down a lot. hi
  17. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 May 2018 12: 42
    +4
    Minus 140 billions in treasury and impending gasoline shortage

    And we do not mind. If we still lose Siluvanova, then we will get off cheaply.
  18. ruivit1988
    ruivit1988 26 May 2018 14: 39
    +3
    It seems that the oil industry is working on the buildup of the country. After all, it was not without reason that after the elections, the moidaned shouted down with the king. Well, then once petrol prices began to rise, now food prices will skyrocket so that we will howl. Impairment by the fact that oil allegedly rose in price, so oil was more expensive at 13 but gasoline was cheaper. And the monopoly service is silent and does not move, although in those years they’ve checked and always found the reasons, but they haven’t found it. Looks like something there is not clean at the top, someone is not happy with something ...
  19. Loginoff
    Loginoff 26 May 2018 15: 44
    +3
    We must not forget that in the price of gasoline 2/3 are excise taxes and only 1/3 of the cost price + income of refineries and gas stations.
    Those. 1 liter of gasoline from the refinery goes to 13 rupees.
    The disappearance of gasoline in Russia after lowering excise taxes It seems unreasonable to say the least. they do not cut the selling price from a refinery, but excise taxes.
    And yes, when oil cost $ 108 a barrel, excise taxes were lower and refineries sold gasoline cost-effectively much cheaper than when the price of oil fell 3,5 times. Excise taxes on gasoline cut the economy because transport costs for the delivery of all products and goods increase.
    T.ch. gentlemen liberals, stop scaring that the refineries will start to drive all gasoline abroad.
  20. naidas
    naidas 26 May 2018 16: 51
    +4
    Yes, cancel the VAT refund to oil exporters, and domestically introduce a VAT refund and fill up the domestic market.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 30 May 2018 17: 50
      0
      Did I go to ward number 6? Members of the forum, turn on the brain before you write this! Do you offer this to anyone? Those who profit from you, after all.
  21. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 26 May 2018 19: 11
    +3
    How many, there were beautiful speeches about a fair state, to which we are striving)
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 30 May 2018 17: 48
      +1
      Nothing, now the people have a strategic supply of noodles. Pop and do not blather, please, until the next call of the naive electorate!
  22. Antares
    Antares 26 May 2018 19: 28
    +2
    it's expensive with us. Although we do not have such reserves. True, the picture is clear, but the world oil price has risen, and the price of fuel is up, and vice versa, down. The truth is not much. (Another course as usual affects)
    If you accept the point of view of the Russian layman, you should ask, why is the explanation that the world price for the Russian Federation is growing, where the main burden on the price of excise taxes affects so much? Or are excise taxes also rising, and not the price of oil?
    How much is the share of the price of oil in the fraction of the price of gas? 6%? The price has risen by 10%, which means growth will be in these 6%. It’s not difficult to calculate how much gasoline should cost.
    Although right there I come across an expression — Have you forgotten which country you live in? (The laws of mathematics have no power over the price of gasoline in Russia)
  23. Wolka
    Wolka 26 May 2018 19: 48
    +5
    and why do we need such a government and a thought, now we can’t live up to retirement, gas is expensive - the car is no longer a means of transportation, what else, for the good of the people, think up gentlemen ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 26 May 2018 19: 59
      +3
      Quote: Volka
      the car is no longer a means of transportation, what else, for the good of the people, think up gentlemen ...

      All is correct. The car pollutes the atmosphere and contributes to obesity of citizens, so the government advises citizens to switch to alternative modes of transport, for example, scooters and bicycles. And ecology is good and good for health.
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 27 May 2018 00: 55
        +1
        Well, what would survive to retire scooters just right!
  24. petrol cutter
    petrol cutter 26 May 2018 20: 29
    +4
    I am certainly not a professional in this matter. But there is a feeling that something is wrong. In a country that produces oil, gas and other goods, it is extremely strange to regulate prices for these goods like this !! ..
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 30 May 2018 17: 46
      0
      But there is a feeling that something is wrong.

      You killed me, Vitaliy!
  25. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 26 May 2018 21: 07
    +1
    So, according to the assessment of the head of the financial department and first vice-premier Anton Siluanov, the Russian treasury will lose 140 billion rubles in reducing excise taxes.

    But if they cut off the pay-offs of the bureaucracy, parties and deputies at least twice, then the losses will be compensated!
  26. doka
    doka 26 May 2018 22: 37
    +5
    The Russian government is a club of lovers of patriots of the country, I have a strange feeling that someone controls both Medvedev and VV, if not, then this is a simple agreement, you are involved in the external circuit, but internal, Therefore, all the distortions on the face, The country that produces gasoline, produces oil so the price should be a couple of kopecks, Hence the cost of the products will drop several times and everything else, So no how many billions goes abroad we feed them vile, Invest wisely in the country of no-no In China they were simply shot at the stadium,
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 26 May 2018 23: 00
      +2
      I agree. This is how it is necessary to pervert the economic policy in the state. that 140 million people owning 1/6 of the planet’s land barely make ends meet. It seems to me. what if we take in Siberia to breed wild animals. then it will be "economically unprofitable" I had a piece of land. we paid tax for him. which was increasing. I abandoned the site. now he is overgrown with weeds and the state does not receive a penny for him. Who does all this?
  27. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 26 May 2018 23: 37
    +1
    Quote: Vard
    The whole problem is that there, at the top, they lost absolutely every connection with reality .... How far they are from the people ... For them, price increases and small salaries are abstract concepts ...

    Yes, on the contrary, they are very close to the people!
    They perceive and use the people so indecently that they take the hell.
    People are new oil! And they will pump blood from us, pump the blood of our children, sell for $, and then withdraw money to support the American economy.
  28. Awaz
    Awaz 27 May 2018 08: 06
    +2
    This Siluanov generally does not understand along the way. The fact that the authorities lose a little in the domestic market from excise taxes, they easily compensate for this by selling the same diesel fuel and gasoline to the EU. Nothing prevents the transfer of losses from the country's population to the EU population, slightly imposing petrol and diesel fuel on customs duties. among other things, expensive oil also brings extra income to the treasury.
    As far as I remember, these characters promised in due time to abolish the transport tax, replacing it with taxes in gasoline. Taxes added to gasoline, transport tax has not been canceled ..
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 30 May 2018 17: 40
      0
      How gullible you are, however ... A quarter of a century has been fooled, and you all believe.
  29. Sergey824
    Sergey824 27 May 2018 11: 26
    0
    It seems that we have gasoline, as in Ukraine, gas is supplied by reverse from abroad, purely on paper, but the price is immediately higher.
  30. vnord
    vnord 28 May 2018 09: 03
    +1
    Yesterday I swam 92 to 46, 30 rubles. For a week, a loot of 70 mines
  31. trophy
    trophy 28 May 2018 11: 23
    +3
    The whole question is that the country's leadership is not trying, and not interested in a systematic solution to the issue of pricing and fuel supply. Excise tax reduction is an imitation of an attempt to solve a problem with a purely decorative function. Sadly, raising the price of fuel is beneficial for both producers and the state. Some stuff a pocket, others stuff a budget (partly in order to treat, teach, protect us at our expense). Solving this issue in favor of citizens will automatically lead to the infringement of the interests of producers (in addition to reducing direct incomes, you will have to invest in modernizing production in order to reduce production costs, etc.) and increase hemorrhoids for the leadership of the State in view of the fact that you have to strain your brain in order to increase profitability of other budget items, plus again, you have to bend the "fat cats" from the fuel and energy sector from other areas (you feel the "criminality" of the approach from the point of view of the leaders, bend the roots - not according to concepts). So it’s easier to shave us, there are more than 70% approval. All good and "enlightenment."
  32. Oleg133
    Oleg133 29 May 2018 09: 51
    +1
    It is obvious that this state, as a management mechanism, is only for its own. And these of their maximum 2000 people.
    I just go nuts with the patriots of the Russian Federation
  33. I love Russia
    I love Russia 30 May 2018 17: 00
    0
    For 18 years I was a patriot of my country and V.V.P. But after the inauguration came a landslide disappointment !!! How a terrible nightmare repeats the same thing! Vedmedev, Siluyanov, Kudrin and other "charm" hated by the people! For Putin, the loss of one supporter in the form of me, so spit ... But for some reason, it seems to me that there are already millions of us so deceived and disappointed!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 30 May 2018 17: 38
      +1
      I would pity you, but I can’t. Such as you, the culprits of the present and future lawlessness of the Kremlin organized crime group.
  34. NordUral
    NordUral 30 May 2018 17: 35
    +1
    Have you voted? Didn’t go to the polls? Gave your votes to the guarantor? Now be patient, you yourself have untied his hands and his government.
  35. AB
    AB 30 May 2018 21: 00
    +1
    Really everyone forgot about the lies of the government. In 2010, the Russian government promised to increase excise taxes and abolish the transport tax. Excise taxes were raised, but the tax was not canceled. Draw your own conclusions.
  36. Dimmedroll
    Dimmedroll 30 May 2018 22: 43
    0
    And I like the current situation. Traders from oil fellows and fell on the tree and the government was blamed for everything. And no one thought why oil or rather gasoline is not enough? Do you know that producers drive oil and derivatives to the west, it is more expensive there. Gasoline, by the way, is the same. The deficit created is artificial, just the elites are preparing you for you to go out and defeat the whole country. Well, if Ukraine is not enough for you, then I’m afraid your children are so strange that Russia can no longer be seen. So indulge further traders and Our enemies are strange. And to be honest, I decided to transfer to public transport and not feed the traders as they want. I think if they have a sales failure then they will lower the prices themselves. And so I congratulate you. We are participants in the struggle of the elites with the state, they do not care about you, they live abroad, but they will receive income from oil and gas while living anywhere.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 30 May 2018 23: 32
      0
      Dimmedroll! I don’t like it! I do not like that people are whining about the high prices for everything, and at the time of fateful decisions, cowardly votes for the guarantor of all this. Or he does not go to the polls at all, casting his votes to him.
      Stop whining, it's time to answer for your actions!