T-80-M1 ahead of the American "Abrams" on 20 years

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Today they talk a lot about installing on Tanks “Abrams” of active defense complexes (KAZ), noting the lag of the Russian defense industry in this direction, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

T-80-M1 ahead of the American "Abrams" on 20 years




In fact, Russia has traditionally been a leader in the development of KAZ. Back in 1980, the T-55AD with the Drozd complex was adopted in the USSR. But, unfortunately, because of the collapse of the Union, the tanks of this modification came to Ukraine, where they were subsequently “safely” disposed of. And one car was shipped to the United States.

In 1990, Russian engineers continued to develop in this area. In 1997, a modification of the T-80 tank, T-80-M1, was first introduced in Omsk. The car was named "Bars". Its performance characteristics are still impressive military specialists.



The main novelty of this tank was the KAZ "Arena", which allows the automatic destruction of guided missiles and rocket-propelled grenades. In addition, the machine was equipped with a Blind-1 opto-electronic suppression system. Due to this, the security of the tank, according to the developers, has increased by 5 times.

Engineers also modified the gun and fire control system with a thermal imager. The Reflex missile system was also improved.



Another novelty was the steering wheel, installed instead of levers. Comfortable work tankers provide air conditioning. It was expected that the car will get a 1400-strong gas turbine.

“It turns out that only after 20 years, the Americans were able to achieve success in Russian tank construction, and then with the help of Israelis,” writes the author of the material Leo Romanov.

Unfortunately, he notes, the domestic armored car did not reach the troops - they say that there was not enough money. However, even now in our troops there are no vehicles with such protection, “and the question, as they say, has matured,” concludes the publication.
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  1. +18
    25 May 2018 16: 56
    MDE ... Russia will feed on the achievements and developments of the USSR for another hundred years, until the economy is transferred from the export of raw materials to another type with high added value ...
    1. +17
      25 May 2018 17: 26
      Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
      MDE ... Russia will feed on the achievements and developments of the USSR for another hundred years, until the economy is transferred from the export of raw materials to another type with high added value ...

      What dissatisfies you with the developments of the USSR? Do you propose to poheret everything and start from scratch? Thank God, now the development has finally found a way into life.
      PS Remove the prefix "not" from your nickname ("Not Russian liberoid). The most inveterate" liberoids "hide under such nicknames
      1. +12
        25 May 2018 17: 44
        What dissatisfies you with the developments of the USSR? Do you propose to poheret everything and start from scratch?

        Apparently, people mean that capitalist Russia cannot do anything, a kind of country impotent for the development of new weapons, it remains to develop Soviet developments 30 years ago and modernize old Soviet equipment wink
        1. +5
          25 May 2018 17: 51
          Quote: Yak28
          Apparently a person means ...

          It’s hard to call such “people” hi
          1. +3
            25 May 2018 17: 53
            We’ll wait, maybe the person will answer wink
            1. +6
              25 May 2018 20: 40
              Human
              Russia
              will not write.
      2. +8
        25 May 2018 21: 30
        so live in the past, pray for oil and gas towers, without developing the country, buying everything high-tech for oil revenues abroad ... puff and shout from the couch, curse everyone who encroaches on the "holy" Soviet ... and what do you think from everyone Will these reserves be long enough? the world doesn’t stand in the 80s and 90s, technologies are developing, something is being invented, and not only folders with drawings from the shelf with the inscription are removed and the ideas of ancestors in one or two copies are made to intimidate foreign enemies and create admiration for the electorate of parades on the Red Square ... for example, it wasn’t easy for me to buy a Chinese milling machine for a garage for a lot of money, when I was working at a school with a similar quality mark of the USSR, but now they don’t do it, it’s easier to start a cordon .. so that it’s good from these backlogs, when they are in 1-2 copies, or even just in the drawings ... and you don’t tell you the throat from the sofa to tell me what and how to change, and hang labels on the person without knowing him. start your screech pointer
        1. +4
          25 May 2018 21: 35
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          so what’s the use of these backlogs, when they are in 1-2 copies, or simply in the drawings ... and you don’t tell you the throat from the sofa to tell me what and how to change, and hang labels on the person without knowing him. start your screech pointer

          Come on. Pointer... wassat
        2. +1
          26 May 2018 19: 52
          Chinese milling machine for a lot of a lot of money

          The Soviet one was more expensive, and a similar Russian one would be even more expensive. In the World there is nothing that would be cheaper than Chinese. Cancel all Russians pensions (as in China) and you will be happy.
          1. +1
            26 May 2018 20: 26
            if they were produced in sufficient quantities, the price would be less than Chinese
      3. +1
        26 May 2018 14: 27
        Where did you get so much aggression?
        1. +2
          26 May 2018 14: 41
          Just do not like the "all-crawler"
          1. +1
            26 May 2018 20: 25
            said the ever whining pointing whiner and a hat-tidy couch ... start with yourself, then poke others
            1. +1
              26 May 2018 22: 18
              Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
              said the ever whining pointing whiner and a hat-tidy couch ... start with yourself, then poke others

              I've never whined and never threw hats. Do not drag me into something that was not there. In order not to be known as empty chimes, give examples. I just express my opinion, different from the opponent, and not everyone likes it. I myself have a negative attitude towards cap-haters, and disputes arise on this basis. But you just whine constantly that everything in Russia is ruined and no one is capable of anything.
              1. +1
                27 May 2018 07: 29
                I love when the couch army begins to make excuses)))))) continue, maybe you’ll come up with something new, hera of cushions ...
                1. 0
                  27 May 2018 21: 41
                  Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
                  Hero sofa cushions ...

                  What are you? battle hero
                  the same sofa, but also a whiner ..
    2. 0
      26 May 2018 10: 45
      And who needs it? Name at least one.
  2. +5
    25 May 2018 17: 01
    And how many combat tanks are equipped with such protection?
    1. +2
      25 May 2018 18: 01
      This is a military secret affecting operational calculations in the planning of military operations. There is no protection - that means they will give the tank army additional flights and helicopters, missile and artillery brigades, there is protection, then they will reduce these flights and will not give brigades.

      And generally speaking:
      The methods of warfare are based on deception. Therefore, when we are able to attack, we must look as if we are not capable, and when we use forces, we must look inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe that we are far away, when we are far away, we must make him believe that we are close.

      (Book of Sun Tzu "The Art of War")
      1. +5
        25 May 2018 18: 27
        Yes, everything is clear that no one really knows. including and in the General Staff, how many tanks are equipped with protection. Then it is incorrect to compare with American tanks, since they have 20% in 100 years, and we have 30% in 10 years.
        1. 0
          25 May 2018 18: 31
          The headquarters know everything. There are no fools.
        2. 0
          26 May 2018 08: 24
          Quote: dr.star75
          Yes, everything is clear that no one really knows. including and in the General Staff, how many tanks are equipped with protection.

          Nice man! Do not know - do not chat. In the BPS from the division and above there are reports of 1,2 GABTU. This is such a footcloth, with so many columns that God forbid to fill it. So everything is indicated there, from the geese to the very last knee pin. So the General Staff knows what, where and how much. Yes
    2. +3
      25 May 2018 19: 13
      Quote: dr.star75
      And how many combat tanks are equipped with such protection?

      As far as I understand, our troops do not have such protection at all. And the Americans urgently put the Israeli KAZ Trophy on 4 tank brigades.
      This protection (Arena) is not suitable, it is slow, the response time is 0.07 seconds, any sub-caliber projectile (BOPS) has a speed of more than 1000 m / s, it will pass easily. But modern Afganit, which on the "Armata" hits the BOPS up to 1700 m / s-2000 m / s, on its basis, and must be put on the T-80 and T-90. Okrainsky Barrier, response time 0.001-0.005 sec, catches BOPS up to 1200 m / s.
      1. +3
        25 May 2018 20: 53
        That's the problem, our tanks are not protected!
  3. +3
    25 May 2018 17: 04
    "... Unfortunately, he notes, the domestic armored car did not reach the troops - they say that there was not enough money. However, even now our troops do not have equipment with such protection," and the question, as they say, is overripe, "the publication concludes .. . "
    ------------
    Not really because of lack of money?
  4. +6
    25 May 2018 17: 05
    America generally does not have its own tank building ...
    1. +1
      25 May 2018 17: 28
      Quote: Sands Career General
      America generally does not have its own tank building ...

      "You Zin run into rudeness, you try to offend all Zin ...." Hush! ..... feel
      How was it not?
      And the M-3 is “Lee General,” and “Sherman.” Well urodikus obiknovenus, so what, immediately face on the table?
      But we would scream, "how wonderful it is to burn in them!" So maybe the Americans would still ride them. feel feel
      1. +10
        25 May 2018 17: 33
        Only one question - which plants in the United States are now producing new tanks. AND?
        And finish the greyhound, here you are not the gateway in your sleeping area, where you are so used to talking with your friends.
        1. +4
          25 May 2018 17: 51
          1. For your culture you can not apologize for what to take from the exam. In the gateways, they do not speak the language of Vysotsky, for this, oh, how much is needed ...
          2. usa are releasing new tanks NOW. Alas, the United States does not need to produce new tanks, as well as aircraft. 10000 Abrams take and upgrade. What are we doing? We also darn old, used ones .... (sorry, you are not in the know. This is also from a joke)
          Something like this. And to make Armata on the knee, and so we have a smooth knee. But there is no tank.
          1. 0
            25 May 2018 18: 02
            we still make new T-90s.
            1. +2
              25 May 2018 18: 13
              Quote: just EXPL
              we still make new T-90s.

              "God help you, my friends!" for 2012 - 1335 tanks produced? Before the "Abrams" - 10, do not forge forging. But it is necessary. There they are 000 thrown to the Baltic.
              1. +6
                25 May 2018 20: 46
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                Before the "Abrams" - 10, do not forge forging.

                T-72 - 30 000 pcs.
                T-80 - 10 000 pcs.
                T-64A - 8
                Forge - do not reforges.
              2. +3
                26 May 2018 18: 25
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                Before the "Abrams" - 10, do not forge forging.

                Dear, you flew from Mars, or just decided that downs are sitting here? What are 10 thousand Abrams to the devil? fool
                USA - 775 M1A1 SA, 1609 M1A2 SEPv2 (more than 3500 M1 in storage) and 447 M1A1 in the ILC, as of 2017

                You publish your tsiferki in Murzilka.
          2. +7
            25 May 2018 18: 07
            I am from the Luhansk People's Republic. And I never studied in the Russian Federation. In Soviet Union.
            If only I would look and find out if that.

            If you do not know how to answer clearly posed questions - do not handle. Growing up your mind, learn critical thinking, before writing nonsense, think about your behavior, then so be it, I allow you to express yourself critically.

            And so, you don’t know anything, don’t know how, figures from the ceiling, everything is past

            And after this phrase:
            The US does not need to produce new tanks, as well as aircraft


            Just a “little face”.
            Go play in the sandbox, boy.
          3. 0
            25 May 2018 18: 09
            They write that Russia is ahead of the rest in terms of tanks, and the United States is doubled.
            1. +1
              25 May 2018 18: 32
              Well, yes, there are 5 thousand tanks in Syria. Objective review. Well, in Ukraine 4000! lol Objective review! wassat
              1. +2
                25 May 2018 18: 54
                Ukraine has whole tank corps in the rear. wassat


                Lots of buildings.
                1. +1
                  26 May 2018 08: 08
                  I dare to assure you that the situation is similar in our tank repair plants. I had occasion to observe when tanks were placed not only in columns but also in each other's three rows.
                  1. +1
                    26 May 2018 09: 09
                    I also happened. Moreover, in Germany in 1990, tanks were stored at a repair base of 4 to 5 floors. A very convenient way to store tanks until they are sorted. But the funny thing is that if necessary and with the involvement of certain resources, these tanks can be assembled in a short time, put troops where they will be able to take part in an army offensive or defensive operation for 7 days, i.e. will fulfill their purpose.
                    1. +1
                      26 May 2018 13: 45
                      I drove tanks to Atamanovka for capital at the time .. hi
              2. 0
                25 May 2018 19: 44
                In Syria, there are probably 500 tanks left maximum - the rest are either destroyed or put into spare parts.
            2. 0
              25 May 2018 19: 00
              They have one tank in two that counts as a tank destroyer. wink
          4. +2
            25 May 2018 18: 56
            You still have a fight! hot Finnish guys .... And about the modernization ... I remember the movie "Chief Designer" with a dialogue when watching a German newsreel:
            - Eeee, the gun is too small!
            - So what? Put more.
            - No, they won’t.
            - Why? Cho they have no guns?
            - That is, the guns will not allow the tower. We then designed our own with a margin.
            So, dear, it all depends on the stock of modernization, which we have no equal. Abrash, in addition to hanging everything that is possible on him, has already exhausted his resource. so it was about with our T-28, when it became clear (like after the Finnish) that its armor is rather weak. Dopbronu hung, but increased mass and decreased "playfulness." In short, or they will turn him into a Mouse or a pillbox.
            1. +1
              27 May 2018 21: 16
              Maybe I will be wrong, judge a couch expert, but I do not agree with you about the stock of modernization. The tanks of the Soviet school of tank engineering (T 64, 72, 80) have a small armored space, there is no modularity. Because of the automatic loader, the length of the shells cannot exceed (if my memory serves me) 740 mm., A 125 mm gun., Has exhausted itself, shells with a large elongation (more than 740 mm) cannot be used, a new gun (for example 152 mm.) need a new tower, a new machine, increase the epaulet, the case needs a new one. Again, problems with the engine., MTO is limited in size. T 90, deep modernization of T 72B, so Armata is a fundamentally new platform for Russia, which requires production lines and capacities of a different kind, which are not yet in place. Modernization of existing equipment is the right option, but it cannot be eternal.
  5. +2
    25 May 2018 17: 14
    So it goes.
    - Well, in short, but thicker.
    If Abroms is offensive, then yes, crap. And on the defensive, bury around the tower ... Well, a copy of the Tiger, and in profile .... "Just slide the crown on its side so that it does not hang on your ears."
  6. +6
    25 May 2018 17: 15
    The United States does not have it sooner because it was not needed.
    More precisely, there may have been a need in theory, but no such decision was made.

    Israel, when the need arose, not only created one of the best systems, but also put it on tanks and tested it in a real battle.
    1. 0
      25 May 2018 19: 07
      Never board a Soviet / Russian tank! Die faster than a Jew!
  7. +7
    25 May 2018 17: 22
    Another novelty was the helm, installed instead of levers. Comfortable work for the tankers was provided by air conditioning.
    That's all listed, but the fact that HYDRO VOLUME TRANSMISSION was installed on this tank, which allows to increase the maneuverability of the tank FORGOTTEN. But it was precisely the fact that they couldn’t bring it to mind, and most likely that, for various reasons, they didn’t let it finish and there is a reason why this tank never went into production
    1. +8
      25 May 2018 17: 43
      Quote: svp67
      Another novelty was the helm, installed instead of levers. Comfortable work for the tankers was provided by air conditioning.
      That's all listed, but the fact that HYDRO VOLUME TRANSMISSION was installed on this tank, which allows to increase the maneuverability of the tank FORGOTTEN. But it was precisely the fact that they couldn’t bring it to mind, and most likely that, for various reasons, they didn’t let it finish and there is a reason why this tank never went into production

      97th - not the best time for the army and defense was.
  8. +3
    25 May 2018 17: 41
    I was always impressed by the scheme in which the tank troops had two families of tanks 80ki and 72ki. It’s unfortunate that just now they have begun to restore a little bit of 80s. machines of great potential for modernization. their trouble is that they are more expensive than 72x for objective reasons. if you seriously undertook to restore the armament of the 80s, you need your own gas turbine engine. There were rumors on an Internet about the creation thereof, but it is not yet clear.
    1. +1
      25 May 2018 18: 33
      2 types of tanks in the army is hemorrhagic.
      1. +1
        25 May 2018 18: 42
        there will be no “crap” if everything is adjusted. and the “hemorrhoid" itself can occur with one type of tank. in the tank units of the Union “crap” I do not remember. the bottom line is that the T80 is an elite family of tanks, the T72 is a working machine. although in many ways these two types of tanks are unified.
    2. +2
      25 May 2018 19: 12
      Garik hi and what, before that there were foreign gas turbine engines?
      1. +2
        25 May 2018 19: 23
        Vyacheslav, have a good evening! before that there were ours, now production on the territory of ukrland.
        1. +1
          25 May 2018 19: 26
          Ahh, there it is, sorry, I didn’t know. Well, I think tank gas turbine engines are easier to recreate than ship ones.
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          2. 0
            25 May 2018 19: 35
            sho that, sho other_ need specialists, drawings, machines, alloy compositions .... very difficult from scratch. we have already mastered the ship’s, thank God about the tank, one of the creators of the T80 Leningrad Research Institute joked: “What did the aircraft give us? Correctly_ tank engine! “There was an infa that ours“ landed “for B117 (?) Tanks, but for some reason it’s silent for now.
            1. 0
              25 May 2018 19: 43
              Garik, B117? Maybe F-117? Garik, this is what the wiki says:
              The first “Kirov” gas turbine tank of a new generation, the “Object 219 joint venture 1”, manufactured in 1969, was outwardly similar to the experienced Kharkov T-64T gas turbine. A GTD-1000T engine with a capacity of 1000 liters was installed on the machine. pp., developed by the NGO them. V. Ya. Klimova.
              The next "Object 219 SP 2" - was already significantly different from the original T-64A.
              Tests of the first prototype showed that the installation of a new, more powerful engine, increased mass and changed dynamic characteristics of the tank require significant changes to the chassis.
              1. 0
                25 May 2018 20: 09
                Glory, comedian. TVZ117VK engine. and leave old Wicca quietly rejoice at old age. creator of the T80 Popov, was created in Leningrad. I went for testing in 66 under code 288, if I remember exactly.
                1. 0
                  25 May 2018 20: 13
                  Garik, I'm not Petrosyan. GTE in Leningrad was created?
                  1. 0
                    25 May 2018 20: 31
                    offensive what! I thought you were talking about the tank as a whole ... was created on Klimov, but production was preserved only in Ukrland.
  9. +1
    25 May 2018 17: 54
    “It turns out that only after 20 years, the Americans were able to achieve success in Russian tank construction, and then with the help of Israelis,” writes the author of the material Leo Romanov.
    And Russians-Israelis studied in the USSR lol but they use their own approach to the protection of technology, which has proven itself well, though in its own land. Conclusion, ours do the best .... Yes hi
    1. 0
      25 May 2018 18: 45
      Quote: XXXIII
      Conclusion, ours do the best
      Cada for free, then yes, of course, and to buy - take palm oil.
      1. +1
        25 May 2018 18: 47
        Quote: farcop
        Quote: XXXIII
        Conclusion, ours do the best
        Cada for free, then yes, of course, and to buy - take palm oil.

        You buy oil, we exchange, the market ..... hi
        1. 0
          25 May 2018 18: 49
          Quote: XXXIII
          You buy oil, we exchange, the market .....
          Yeah, and then put it in a pickle? You feed your people. It is necessary to judge for this, but no one.
  10. +1
    25 May 2018 18: 25
    Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
    MDE ... Russia will feed on the achievements and developments of the USSR for another hundred years, until the economy is transferred from the export of raw materials to another type with high added value ...

    The stump is clear ... When for almost two decades only lawyers-economists were born, and young engineers in the nineties shuttled and taxi drivers. Now the defense industry has begun to revive ... I don’t know how in the “fashionable” areas, but in the defense post office, where my father worked for more than forty years, and I and my brother and wife and a large half of my friends managed to work ... which today, after the nineties, is reviving ... the average age of the engineering staff is over 60. But there are no skilled workers (milling machines, turners, etc.) under 60.
    1. NKT
      0
      25 May 2018 22: 10
      So the last two professions are already disappearing. Now all the machines themselves do, and the computer counts. And more precisely and faster.
  11. +1
    25 May 2018 20: 25
    And what's the use of this 20-year lead if traditionally only simplified options go to the troops? They say no money, but when was it? The indicator is what you really have in the troops, and not just what is in the window.
  12. +3
    25 May 2018 20: 34
    This tank is really unique and worthy of attention.
  13. +3
    25 May 2018 20: 35
    Should a big war happen, all modern tanks with newfangled bells and whistles will be knocked out in the first month of active hostilities. And we will fight on the naked T-55 and T-62.
    1. NKT
      +2
      25 May 2018 22: 13
      Yes, there will be no more such tank battles as near Brody-Lutsk-Dubno and Prokhorovka.
      1. +1
        26 May 2018 08: 05
        Who knows how it will be there? It can only fight on tanks in the contaminated area and it works ...
      2. 0
        27 May 2018 06: 31
        Will be. After the use of SBP, only tanks will maintain maximum combat stability.
  14. +1
    25 May 2018 23: 32
    Yes, our tanks, like all armored vehicles, need KAZ !!!
  15. 0
    26 May 2018 10: 42
    Our tanks are good, but they are not used against the Abrams.
  16. +1
    26 May 2018 14: 28
    This development was stupidly destroyed by EBN. For Nizhny Tagil patrimony, and competitors in history anal. Therefore, we have a fucking T-90, which in fact is the same T-72, but only with what was already on the T-80. And a complete lag in other areas.
    P.S. If on 3 fingers! T-90 development of the T-72! the tank is not the first echelon but simply mobilization. all new items were put on the T64, then on the T-80! The plane-parallel hinge, which by the way tagil scolded, appeared on the T-90 in 2000 and was adopted as a type of progress laughing . for the rest of the systems we are simply silent. In fact, they received the T-72 modified and reached the level of T-80Bv and so on. But this is still the development of the Soviet era of the manufacturers who had died in the Bose. As a result? Armata, she is Boxer, she is the Hammer she is a rebel. An expensive platform, under which a plant was built in Kharkov. By the way, successfully sawn into needles. Will be able to bring in 10t years when operating in linear parts. In fact, the Army has? Yes, it doesn’t. It has a complete set and a strong hemorrhoids with training for both officers and tankers. Well, everything is like at the end of the union only worse in terms of supplies of consumables. No comments!

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