Work on the lightened version of the Proton-L launch vehicle discontinued

Work on the creation of a two-stage launch vehicle "Proton-L" completely stopped. The Khrunichev Center no longer plans to work on this project, a source at the enterprise reports.

layout of the carrier rocket "Proton-L"

The reason for closing is the lack of funds for the development of the project.

The Proton-L rocket is a simplified modification of the three-stage heavy rocket carrier Proton-M. In the lightweight version of the Proton-L, there is no second stage, but the remaining two stages are slightly elongated. To start the "Proton-L" is not required accelerating unit "Breeze-M".

At the same time, specialists of the Center participating in the international exhibition of weapons KADEX-2018, which takes place in Astana, presented the model Proton-L on it and stated that the development of the rocket will be carried out, as the demand for launching geostationary space vehicles with lighters has increased and middle classes. The center announced in the period before 2025, the launch of launch vehicles 24. At the same time, the enterprise assumes the launch of both the traditional Proton-M and its light version, the Proton-L.

Comments

[ANCIENT]

From the article it’s clear that nothing is clear! "There is no money, but you hold on," aha, for the oar, so that it does not carry on!

[Blackmokona]

They used to say that the demand for the light version is much lower than expected, so the light version is postponed and focus on the middle one. Judging by the news, demand never appeared, and decided not to spend money on an unnecessary rocket.

[maxim947]

The thing is different, the light Proton was initially unclaimed, with the same light Angara and Soyuz 2-1b, which was at the finish line, plus the policy is aimed at avoiding heptyl amyl. The question is, who financed this? Khrunichev has long ceased to have his own money, which means that an extrabudgetary source is no longer available, and therefore from the budget. So where is this strategist who shoved it all? Before starting the design of any medium, first of all, its necessity and economic feasibility are determined, and how could this happen?

[Separ DNR]

Work on the creation of a two-stage Proton-L launch vehicle has been completely discontinued.

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On the other hand, the Center’s specialists participating in the international arms exhibition KADEX -2018, which is being held in Kazakhstan, presented the Proton-L model at it and stated that rocket development will be conducted, as the demand for launching geostationary spacecraft by light and middle class rockets increased.

Obviously, I do not know everything about the Great and the Mighty? ...

[Vadim237]

At this center of debt under 30 billion how they will cover them it is not clear, the sale of land in Moscow only half compensates.

[Romario_Argo]

Clear from the article

that heavy carriers are required for 40-60 tons of payload at the DOE
soon we will begin to collect the station in shave

[Cannonball]

Enough for this and the available media. Under current conditions, carriers of 40-60 tons of fuel are redundant. Since there is no PN for such carriers.

[Romario_Argo]

read my comment again (!)

[Cannonball]

For those who are "in the tank" I repeat:

1) In Russia now there are no payloads weighing 40-60 tons. So, in the next few years there is no need for carriers of similar carrying capacity.
2) Now in Russia there is no money for the creation of payloads weighing 40-60 tons and carriers of similar carrying capacity.
3) For the assembly of the station in orbit, in the configuration that is supposed, today there is no need for carriers with a carrying capacity of 40-60 tons.
4) For the assembly of the station in orbit, in the configuration that is supposed to be quite enough carriers with a carrying capacity of 7-24 tons.
5) The article does not contain a word either about carriers with a carrying capacity of 40-60 tons, or about assembling a station in orbit.

We continue to be "smart" (?)

[Piramidon]

Work on the creation of a two-stage Proton-L launch vehicle has been completely discontinued. The Khrunichev Center no longer plans to work on this project, Interfax reports citing a source at the enterprise.

Center specialists participating in the international arms exhibition KADEX -2018, which is being held in Kazakhstan, presented the Proton-L model at it and said that the development of the rocket will be carried out as the demand for launch increased

Who lied?

[Blackmokona]

Time will tell.

[NordUral]

Yeah, if you still have someone to look at what time will tell.

[ANCIENT]

The Chinese have completely beaten off our entire clientele!

[Hole puncher]

Quote: ANCIENT

The Chinese have completely beaten off our entire clientele!

Chinese? If only in your parallel universe

[mvg]

And you look at the launch statistics for us and China. At least last year. More than us and Europe combined.

[donavi49]

Well, Khrunichev is bad, from a profitable organization he actually became bankrupt.

2017 year:
The Russian Khrunichev Center, the manufacturer of the Proton and Angara rockets, in 2017 received a net loss of more than 23 billion rubles compared with profit in 1,8 billion in 2016-m, says the annual financial statements published on the company's website.

Also gradually reduce people:
The report also says that in 2017 the number of employees was more than 25 thousand employees, while in 2016 this indicator was more than 27,5 thousand people, and in the 2015 year - more 30 thousand


On 2018 year requested assistance in 40 billion rubles.
In April of 2018, the Supervisory Board of Roscosmos allowed an increase in the credit limit for the enterprise 10 billion rubles. In January of 2018, to the Khrunichev Center due to the reduction of orders and media accidents, as well as a large credit load, financial support of the government in the amount of 30 billion rubles was required.

[ANCIENT]

Truly, Stalin is sorely lacking now!

[Piramidon]

It would be possible and Lavrenty Palych.

[Tomato]

Well why. If you recreate the Gulag, the people in communal apartments and barracks, the card system, then today you can achieve a lot.
By the way, will you be back from Norway? I - no, 100%.

[Vadim237]

This center will have one outcome - bankruptcy and closure, then complete transfer of all capacities to Omsk.

[Cannonball]

So to Omsk all the money and spent

[Archivist Vasya]

Somehow, he went into a tailspin. Typically, profit / loss does not fluctuate much, and here the loss in 2017 is almost 11 times greater than the profit in 2016 !!!
Really accidents and reduction of orders so strongly affected? maybe something else?

[Cannonball]

There were almost no launches last year.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Cannonball

There were almost no launches last year.

Yes, and it’s not particularly rich in what to launch then, Musk tidied everything up, even ESA is burying ESA from Arian6, there is no sense saying that the Mask cannot be caught up.

[Cannonball]

There were two launches in this - Proton and Rokot.
And the work on "Proton-L" is now really practically suspended. Since last year.

[slipped]

Last year, there were four launches of Proton-M and one launch of Rokot.

[Cannonball]

Right, four. And the prize was paid only for one.

[slipped]

Do you consider launches as premiums? Three launches were from ILS, one from the Russian Defense Ministry. Does “A5” fly with “Repeem-S” this year?

[Cannonball]

Last year, for the first time in so many years, we were given a prize for a successful launch. That has not happened almost since the days of Soviet power.
The URMs in the assembly shop were already lying a couple of months ago.

[askort154]

Author, re-read your opus.

[keeper03]

Well, comrade Rogozin - your way out!

[dgonni]

If easier and on the fingers;). Development data had to be done much earlier! If apromeksit then 15 years ago. Until the mask so to speak . Now? Well, it just doesn’t make sense, from the word vaabsche. People simply cannot openly say that the space industry is already lying and cannot be raised. U!

[Vadim237]

The same thing happens with Khrunechivy as with Yuzhmash - the end is close to both.

[NordUral]

Vote together! 76, 6 is not the limit yet?

[Lycan]

Let's say this percentage breaks the 99.9% bar.
You might think that our guarantor “suddenly” will begin to radically reject the candidates for “rotten boyars”, already known for their “ideas” ...

[NordUral]

I wrote poorly, because I voted for Grudinin. And this, by the way, is not pleasant to VO moderators, or rather my statements on the elections and others, for two months already there were two warnings on the ban, and before that they only gently chided him for swearing comments. I started using obscene language, but there wasn’t a fake election. So zealous guys hit on the head.

[Cannonball]

Do not wait

[Archivist Vasya]

If something fell then you can pick it up, there are all sorts of different ways and medications ...
oh, and we are talking about the industry, well, in principle, similarly, only the cost of these measures and the measures themselves are difficult to even imagine, and who will decide on this ...

[Altona]

Quote: dgonni

Well, it just doesn’t make sense, from the word vaabsche. People simply cannot openly say that the space industry is already lying and cannot be raised. U!

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Why doesn’t work? It will turn out if you think not only about profit, but also about new developments. With regards to Ilona Mask, he, too, is all at a loss and is not steamed. You just need to split up what NASA does. She stupidly gave up the old development to Mask and he already thinks how to compile a rocket from them. Ours, too, must follow this path, and not try to build a superpower from old rags. Instead, they stupidly destroy the scientific material base for stupid bourgeois point housing. Sobyanonomika in its purest form.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Altona

Ours, too, must go this way.

They have a printing press, and we have "No money, but ..."

[Vadim237]

Mask only has losses in Tesla - in space is a big plus.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Altona

With regards to Ilona Mask, he is also all at a loss

Quote: Piramidon

They have a printing press, and we have "No money, but ..."

Probably calming effect? So you look at the next launch of Falcon and say to yourself, "he is in debt, he is a fraud, an empty hangman ..."

[Antidote]

Shay and fuck, there will be no empty pores!
The hangar was sawn, underdone, for modernization. They sawed the proton, sawed it, closed it.
They work for the sake of the process, well done.

[NordUral]

Why for the sake of the process? Just for the result! But this is not the result that the country and people need.

[NordUral]

Decibels thieving in power - the death of the country. When will the people understand that everything is in their heads and hands? How long to wait for enlightenment?

[pafegosoff]

Andrei Pankratov, Deputy General Director of the Khrunichev Center (rocket manufacturer) for foreign economic activity.
“Both Proton-M and Proton-L (the Russian name for the“ medium ”version of the“ Proton ”, which received the name“ Proton Medium ”from foreign customers - Ed.) Have done serious work to improve environmental performance. Today day, our developments allow us to say that Proton rockets are becoming one of the best in environmental parameters for environmental impact, "he said on the sidelines of the KADEX-2018 exhibition." ... According to Aviation Explorer.
In general - I sniffed kerosene for half my life (since 1974, the smell of kerosene and the whistling of engines is something native), but it turns out that heptyl is a cure for all diseases (first of all, old age: you won’t live up to it!)

[YarSer88]

Immediately obvious, Rogozin was appointed. Immediately all the money from ... races .... seized.

[Normal ok]

The reason for closing is the lack of funds for the development of the project.

There is money. But you hold on.

[Vadim237]

Idiocy to develop two light missiles Soyuz 5 and Proton L - this is why the latter was abandoned. In Russia, there is another light one - Angara 1.

[slipped]

Soyuz 5, like Proton-Medium, are medium-sized missiles, not light ones.

[slipped]

And I’ll throw a little fire at the fire - earlier two Proton-Medium and Proton-Light missiles were announced. They refused one of them.

so which one was abandoned according to the journalist of Interfax?

PS: By the way, on the Proton-Medium steps are NOT elongated. Something somehow does not fit with the journalist.

[slipped]

And the original "news" on Interfax http://www.interfax.ru/russia/614134 differs in meaning from that.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Piramidon

Work on the creation of a two-stage Proton-L launch vehicle has been completely discontinued. The Khrunichev Center no longer plans to work on this project, Interfax reports citing a source at the enterprise.

Center specialists participating in the international arms exhibition KADEX -2018, which is being held in Kazakhstan, presented the Proton-L model at it and said that the development of the rocket will be carried out as the demand for launch increased

Who lied?

Journalists who have an incomprehensible SOURCE

[Cannonball]

It is possible that the journalists did not lie. Something works on the "Proton-L" has not been around for a long time.

[slipped]

However, ILS now in Australia advertises Proton-Medium launches, while the Central Institute of Contemporary Art is in Kazakhstan.

[Cannonball]

On the site "Khrunichev" on the cessation of work on the "Proton-L" silence.