Prosecutor in the Netherlands: Boeing was shot from the Kursk "Buk"

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A representative of the Netherlands Prosecutor’s Office, Fred Westerbeke, made a statement today as part of the investigation into the crash of the Malaysian Boeing-777. According to the prosecutor, the investigative group “has made significant progress in the course of the investigation, but so far cannot say exactly who and why shot down the passenger airliner.”

The prosecutor of Westerbeke stated that the commission proceeded from the one who was hit by MH17 using the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, which was on the field near the village of Pervomayskoye.



Westerbeke:
This complex was brought to Ukraine from the territory of Russia, and then exported back.


Prosecutor in the Netherlands: Boeing was shot from the Kursk "Buk"


At the same time, the prosecutor showed a presentation on which several air defense missile systems of the 53 Brigade (Kursk Region) were shown. It is stated that these installations were exported outside the military unit of the June 23-25. Recall that the airliner was shot down over the Donbass 17 July.

Thus, the Dutch prosecutor actually identified the culprit, who in the West is considered to be Russia. This was predictable, given the fact that Russia was appointed guilty of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing almost immediately after, as soon as information about the tragedy in the Grabovo area became available to the media. Moreover, all this time, the task of the Dutch commission was not so much to investigate the real causes of the crash as to drag the arguments “in favor” of the version that Russia was hit by Boeing.

At the same time, Westerbeke himself makes it clear that the commission used the “Russian” air defense system “Buk” to strike the aircraft, based on the analysis of data from social networks and the Internet - the very data that were repeatedly refuted by experts, including experiments of the manufacturer of missiles to the air defense system. In the course of those experiments, unambiguous conclusions were obtained that if the blow was struck by the “Buk”, then only that in July 2014 was on the territory under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This is evidenced by the nature of damage when taking into account the direction of movement of the liner.
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  1. +19
    24 May 2018 14: 46
    Nobody expected anything else. It is strange only that such statements are made by the prosecutor, and not by the international expert commission. Although in principle there is no difference, the conclusions would be identical.
    1. +29
      24 May 2018 14: 49
      Westerbeke makes it clear that the conclusion ..... the commission came based on an analysis of data from social networks and the Internet

      When will they begin to refer to the report of McLaren and Rodchenkov? wassat These two probably know what and how. wassat
      1. +3
        24 May 2018 15: 11
        [/ quote] When will they already begin to refer to the report of McLaren and Rodchenkov? [/ quote]
        And they will find meldonium on the images! laughing
        1. +4
          24 May 2018 15: 55
          OPCW's unscratched control tubes from close to Porton Down
        2. +8
          24 May 2018 16: 02
          It is felt that the "Dutch experts" are working right in the coffee shop ... wassat Already from the lines hemp smoke oozes ... Yes We believe, we believe ... And the White Helmets with the girl Bana, haven’t said anything yet? Or Teresa May? They know the truth for sure ... lol

          laughing laughing laughing
      2. +2
        24 May 2018 15: 57
        Quote: For example
        Westerbeke makes it clear that the conclusion ..... the commission came based on an analysis of data from social networks and the Internet

        When will they begin to refer to the report of McLaren and Rodchenkov? wassat These two probably know what and how. wassat


        "23.95.2018 .. Russian bobsledder, participant in the 1992 Olympic Games Alexey Golovin filed a complaint with the prosecutor of the Krasnodar Territory and the Basmanny District of Moscow about the violation of anti-doping rules by the President of the Russian Bobsleigh Federation of Russia Alexander Zubkov.
        “I believe that Zubkov took doping, and McLaren’s arguments in this regard are true ...... He noted that in the past, WADA informant Grigory Rodchenkov worked very closely with the bobsled and all athletes were aware of his methods.

        “So in vain Zubkov is throwing himself away from Rodchenkov - this is ridiculous, too many knew this name in bobsled in previous years,” the former bobsledder added. "
        1. +1
          24 May 2018 19: 00
          Quote: Vagabond
          23.95.2018/1992/XNUMX .. Russian bobsledder, participant in the XNUMX Olympic Games Alexey Golovin filed a complaint with the prosecutors of the Krasnodar Territory and the Basmanny District of Moscow about the violation of anti-doping rules

          It looks like an internal disassembly or working out a grant. Why did you decide to show honesty and integrity now, but was silent before?
    2. +18
      24 May 2018 14: 57
      For obvious reasons, there are no controllers who drove the plane into that zone. The last woman of the dispatcher was taken out by the SBU. She just disappeared. Do it yourself
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        1. +14
          24 May 2018 16: 23
          In any aviation incident, the interrogation of the controller is the first requirement. No one saw the dispatcher. Anna Petrenko went on vacation the day after the disaster. Ukraine seized the records of the dispatchers immediately and did not pass the investigation over to two years. What is published is no longer a record, but a fake. There is no trust in this data.
          Another thing is that the photo of the presentation shows the rocket body. I am not an expert. what are these debris - can anyone say?
          1. +6
            24 May 2018 16: 38
            Quote: Bakht
            In any aviation incident, the interrogation of the controller is the first requirement. No one saw the dispatcher. Anna Petrenko went on vacation the day after the disaster. Ukraine seized the records of the dispatchers immediately and did not pass the investigation over to two years. What is published is no longer a record, but a fake. There is no trust in this data.
            Another thing is that the photo of the presentation shows the rocket body. I am not an expert. what are these debris - can anyone say?

            I don’t remember anyone documenting the Dutch collecting debris. So it can be anything and from anywhere.
            1. +2
              24 May 2018 16: 58
              So in the video presented at the presentation, the rocket itself is almost a whole ... It turns out that the Dutch are able to create cartoons
              1. +6
                24 May 2018 17: 56
                She type did not explode and rammed the plane? Didn’t fly away for 50 km, and then began to fall with the plane ?! Do they even include a little brain?
                1. +1
                  24 May 2018 22: 17
                  Quote: Freelancer7
                  She type did not explode and rammed the plane? Didn’t fly away for 50 km, and then began to fall with the plane ?! Do they even include a little brain?

                  The question is, what to include? If the owner said that the crocodiles fly ... how to object? Then they fly, but not at all!
            2. +8
              24 May 2018 17: 45
              Quote: Doliva63
              I don’t remember anyone documenting the Dutch collecting debris. So it can be anything and anywhere

              There was a video of how they collected the wreckage ... They cut large parts of the plane with a grinder, which indicates their complete incompetence in general in analyzing the causes of the disaster.
              This complex was brought to Ukraine from the territory of Russia, and then exported back.

              I hope they took the rocket with them too lol
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            1. +16
              24 May 2018 17: 04
              I must upset you. I read both the interim and final reports. And even looked at what was published from the recorders. And I must upset you again. There is a complete poppycock. According to the recorders, the aircraft course has not changed for the past 15 minutes. According to negotiations with controllers before the disaster, the Boeing changed course quite intensively. But for some reason this is not on the recorders.
              I repeat for the stubborn and dull. This is not a consequence without questioning a witness.
              By the way, Anna Petrenko immediately after the incident was interrogated by the SBU for two hours and immediately wrote a vacation application. No one has seen her since that day.
              And also, a young man. I had a very mixed career. Mi-8 raid 1500 hours. And not a passenger. What is a dispatcher, recorder and airspace control I do not need to explain. Teach your grandmother cabbage soup.
              I fell twice. Or, as the pilots said, it was rapidly declining. And the interrogation (interrogation) of the dispatcher is a key link.
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                1. +3
                  24 May 2018 22: 15
                  I know all this and read at the same time that the report was published. So hold your tongue about lies. I have all the reports in two languages. Both preliminary and final. Interrogation of the dispatcher required, like the interrogation of all involved. If the dispatcher drove the board for at least 1 minute, then this is a mandatory procedure. The report itself contains negotiations for the last minutes. That is, with bills.
                  Boeing started under Buk for three days. You are reading inattentively. Watch the flyradar in the last three days. Now probably already in the archive. But in hot pursuit in 2014 it was perfectly visible.
                  The main reason for your indignation is the interrogation of the dispatcher? This is a required procedure. And here you can spit as much as you want. There is no dispatcher and has not appeared anywhere since the disaster. If you have other information - share it.
          3. +6
            24 May 2018 18: 33
            Quote: Bakht
            In any aviation incident, the interrogation of the controller is the first requirement. No one saw the dispatcher. Anna Petrenko went on vacation the day after the disaster. Ukraine seized the records of dispatchers immediately and did not pass the investigation to two years

            Did the Nightingale litter tell you this? Strange, but the Dutch have records of Ukrainian air traffic controllers.
            1. +6
              24 May 2018 18: 50
              An interesting dialogue .... I say that I know how the investigation is conducted. I was interrogated myself (though I was not a dispatcher. I was in a helicopter). The catastrophe over Baden, President Total in Moscow. Any aircraft investigation begins with the interrogation of a witness (that is, an air traffic controller). In our case, the weather forecast was to blame, but the commander was torn off a tag. If you do not know this, I can’t help ....
              Look at the data from the flyradar, see the flight tracks of the flight on July 14, 15 and 16. By the way, it was the Americans who first laid out. You yourself will see how Boeing inferred over the Donbass.
              Russian radar stations, which you may not believe, have recorded a Boeing deviation of 30 degrees north and then returning to the opposite course. There is no such deviation on the flytradar. The pilot requested echelon 34. The controller refused. This is also not in the report. (By the way, the refusal of echelon 34 is quite justified by the rules for the separation of aircraft. There are no complaints against the dispatcher).
              There are a million inconsistencies. And the cherry on the cake. The prosecutor in his report states that they took for granted data from social networks and photos from the Internet. No court in the world will accept such evidence. But ... if you can’t, but really want to, then you can.
              1. -1
                25 May 2018 14: 06
                "Russian radar stations" will fix everything that is needed if Shoigu orders them. Including some Ukrainian su-25, and even his Boeing missile. The very first bell on the reliability of the information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, back in 2014, rang when Konashenkov announced at a briefing that the Boeing was shot down by a Ukrainian plane, but they did not show the track of this su-25, although they could and should have fixed it from take-off to landing, Ukrainian airfields are viewed by Russian radars at the border.
          4. +2
            24 May 2018 22: 45
            Ukraine seized the records of the dispatchers immediately and did not pass the investigation over to two years. What is published is no longer a record, but a fake. There is no trust in this data.

            Wow statement.
            The Dutch took notes - they coincide with the Russian from Rostov
            1. +2
              24 May 2018 22: 55
              That's for sure? I saw a picture where the data was overlaid on one card. They just do not match.
              In 2016, the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine was very surprised that the Netherlands did not receive data from Ukrainian radars. They stated that there was no request. Then came the explanation that the radars were not working. Upon request, the Netherlands received processed data. They said that only the military has raw data. On the raw (primary) data, you can even determine those planes that are not equipped with transponders. That is military aircraft.
              Civil Aviation Specialist McMillan at the same time stated, “Failure to provide air traffic controller records is a serious criminal offense”
              And they pour me here that the dispatcher can not be interrogated ....
              1. -1
                25 May 2018 14: 11
                Who told you about the "non-provision", Solovyov? They didn’t get drunk with the data of Russian radars?
          5. +1
            25 May 2018 14: 52
            Another thing is that the photo of the presentation shows the rocket body

            Missile body ??? ... Whole ??? belay belay belay But he ... was blown up ... and 10km. fell ... And the whole plate remained ??? ... And on it is the inscription "with love from Putin / DPR /" ???

            How "lucky" these investigators are!
        2. +1
          24 May 2018 19: 03
          Quote: Vagabond
          And what does the life of dispatchers have to do with it ?????? What is your speech about?

          Witnesses, Karl, in addition, the records can be faked, but the examination can no longer be done.
      2. +7
        24 May 2018 16: 03
        Quote: vkl.47
        For obvious reasons, there are no controllers who drove the plane into that zone. The last woman of the dispatcher was taken out by the SBU. She just disappeared. Do it yourself

        There is only one conclusion. You are a storyteller
        1. +2
          24 May 2018 18: 18
          so where is the dispatcher? or was the conclusion about you?
          1. +6
            24 May 2018 18: 34
            Quote: YELLOWSTONE
            so where is the dispatcher? or was the conclusion about you?

            Where it should be. He testified and lives on. Watch less 1 channel.
            1. +2
              24 May 2018 19: 57
              and who saw it all? Julia Skripal or her cat who knew too much? see more BBS
              1. +2
                24 May 2018 20: 08
                Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                and who saw it all? Julia Skripal or her cat who knew too much? see more BBS

                Dreamers Julia Skripal was buried and she was resurrected. Really less than 1 channel watch. Better ren-tv they have a higher level lol
                1. 0
                  24 May 2018 20: 22
                  and her cat? the dreamer will not answer why the Russian diplomats and representatives of law enforcement agencies with his subject who still has no problem organizing a meeting?
    3. +25
      24 May 2018 15: 00
      Here, gentlemen, there is clear evidence that in a country where the use of drugs is permitted, it is impossible to conduct investigative actions and even have a prosecutor's office! Four years they burst into shmalm at public expense, in order to eventually tell narcotic visions of the Dutch prosecutor! am
      1. +8
        24 May 2018 15: 23
        Quote: Major Yurik
        Here, gentlemen, there is clear evidence that in a country where the use of drugs is permitted, it is impossible to conduct investigative actions and even have a prosecutor's office!

        Right! The proud title of "Dutch Prosecutor", to put it simply, means "Smoked Cop." No need to listen to him. When he is "let go" (if he is let go) he will speak differently.
        1. +4
          24 May 2018 16: 03
          Be tolerant - do not offend rear-wheel drive.
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    4. +14
      24 May 2018 15: 04
      Who is stopping now to protect the Russian population of Donbass ??? Enough of polites and chatter about the Minsk agreements, gouging all this Bandera husks without looking at the lying West and without waiting for the end of the mundial.
      1. +13
        24 May 2018 15: 16
        The prosecutor of Westerbeke stated that the commission proceeded from the one who was hit by MH17 using the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, which was on the field near the village of Pervomayskoye.
        Westerbeck:
        This complex was brought to Ukraine from the territory of Russia, and then exported back.

        May Day, May Day ... Where is it recourse ? Google to help me ...

        Here ... EUREKA !!!I found Yes ...

        Ouch! Ouch! Byad ...
        How so, prosecutor? May Day, under the dill ... belay belay belay

        To enlarge, click the mouse button on the map.
        1. +4
          24 May 2018 15: 32
          It was worth driving the value Shakhtyorsky District into the search, and instead of the previously issued map assigned to the area northwest of Donetsk, which I was previously interested in in the service key (Pervomaisky, just a dime a dozen request ) ...
          And here is the new image:
          Oops recourse ... The fakir was drunk, the trick failed ...
          May Day did not appear ... But it is there bully Yes A little lower, and to the right of Snezhny. Somewhere near the "Brazhino".
          1. +1
            24 May 2018 15: 45
            And you take it to Holland.
            1. +3
              24 May 2018 18: 19
              let’s pass with you, will you help the investigation?
      2. +2
        24 May 2018 15: 16
        Our liber .... local breech hay again cheered up!
        However, this is not for long, we’ll disperse these along the cracks, not the first time!
      3. +1
        25 May 2018 00: 13
        Do you write from the trench near Gorlovka? Not? Then why stir up the water instigator, unhappy? !!! Go ahead for orders !!!!
    5. +3
      24 May 2018 15: 29
      ... he, apparently, is not afraid that in a few years he might be extradited to Russia by her request for falsification ..
      1. 0
        24 May 2018 15: 39
        Our endless love with the West, with the geyropa at long! Unless the emigrants will finally trample it ...
        so these goats-lib-der-pid ... will still feel relaxed for a long time!
        Such is our reality .... we all the same will not relax and instead of pleasure a big kick / bummer awaits them!
    6. +3
      24 May 2018 16: 10
      Quote: maxim947
      Nobody expected anything else

      After the Skripals case, no other outcome is expected. Let them officially announce, then you can kick out the ambassador and break diplomatic relations, for example.
  2. +8
    24 May 2018 14: 47
    significantly progressed in the course of the investigation, but so far it can’t say exactly who and why shot down a passenger airliner

    Well, where did she go in that case? .... if it can’t, then let it not shake ... the commission damn ....
  3. +6
    24 May 2018 14: 47
    The Dutch prosecutor needs to quit smoking. Even tobacco
    1. +7
      24 May 2018 14: 58
      maybe he didn't smoke
  4. +12
    24 May 2018 14: 50
    Blyin, why did they investigate for so long then? For such a conclusion, it was possible not to delay for four years, Obama said Russia, then it is so !!! fool
  5. +3
    24 May 2018 14: 53
    Another year remains to “investigate” if Porshenko doesn’t leave before. Then the CIA will blame everything on him, or they will completely shut up about MH-17, leaving Russia in the “shadow”.
  6. +8
    24 May 2018 14: 53
    Despite the inconsistency of conclusions, we were just appointed guilty! fool With the same success, Holland can be convicted of all wars on the planet over the past 1000 years, with the motivation "because" !!!
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      1. +3
        24 May 2018 18: 21
        and where did you not see them?
        what bad Putin jumps in Ukraine, the Ukrainian Su-25 flies next to the only Boeing similar to its plane, then the Boeing crashes and they try to hang it white tiger Russian air defense system Buk which difference in color from the ground does not make out and on which is a fuse prohibiting the firing of civilian flying aircraft?
        strange right?
        1. +4
          24 May 2018 20: 18
          Have you come up with a fuse prohibiting shooting at civilian flying aircraft?
          1. 0
            24 May 2018 20: 25
            pass-by, even at MANPADS this is
            1. +2
              24 May 2018 21: 02
              Therefore, passenger aircraft are seriously going to put a system of counteraction from them. At MANPADS even no friend or foe system
              1. 0
                25 May 2018 04: 27
                passing read the Wikipedia about Soviet MANPADS
    2. +11
      24 May 2018 18: 41
      Quote: ANCIENT
      Despite the inconsistency of conclusions, we were just appointed guilty!

      I’m at VO, a little more than you and I remember very well how on that day there was infa that they shot down another Ukrainian Academy of Sciences. Everyone was happy here. And on the trail. day it turned out that they shot down a Boeing. Where are those comments now? Deleted. For me, this is enough. So, what about the "appointed" is better to shut up.
      1. +1
        24 May 2018 22: 27
        Quote: Normal ok
        I’m at VO, a little more than you and I remember very well how on that day there was infa that they shot down another Ukrainian Academy of Sciences. Everyone was happy here. And on the trail. day it turned out that they shot down a Boeing. Where are those comments now? Deleted.

        Give users a link to those articles in the VO where comments have been deleted for this reason. And to me, please "drop" the "PM", if I can, then I’ll read about the dismissal.
        And why, "the next day"? The fact that the civilian side fell, from the DPR the news bypassed all self-respecting Russian media. I think in the era of the Internet and VO was no exception.
        And dill, immediately began to escalate hysteria ...
  7. +6
    24 May 2018 14: 53
    Yes, for any reason this is a provocation arranged by the ukro-junta and their curators!
    They specially brought this board into the area to make a sacrifice!
    1. +2
      24 May 2018 14: 57
      There is another option: our Western and Middle Eastern partners were aiming at flight number 1, but the KGB were on top
      1. +2
        24 May 2018 15: 58
        another option is that you just chose one similar to it
      2. +6
        24 May 2018 16: 08
        Quote: Dormidont
        There is another option: our Western and Middle Eastern partners were aiming at flight number 1, but the KGB were on top

        How do you (you) live with this?
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        1. +2
          24 May 2018 18: 28
          you underestimate the Chekists Yes
    2. +4
      24 May 2018 15: 21
      Yes, for any reason this is a provocation arranged by the ukro-junta and their curators!
      They specially brought this board into the area to make a sacrifice!
      Before Boeing, Europe was still wrinkling at the expense of sanctions against us, and on this MN-17 entered into the matter. The main package of sanctions was introduced after the Boeing was bombarded ..
      1. +2
        24 May 2018 16: 12
        Yes, then TMV could well have begun. Boeing would be a great occasion
    3. +1
      24 May 2018 15: 45
      I agree. And it was necessary to indicate this from the very beginning, and not to think up, the plane is not a plane ... The second moment, why didn’t they take into account that civilian planes were flying and didn’t announce in advance that they could fly, they knew that the beech was being driven.
    4. 0
      25 May 2018 00: 21
      Have something to say? So go ahead for the bonus! And if so, fart in a puddle, so immediately warn that this is your personal .....
  8. +9
    24 May 2018 14: 53
    Apparently, the author of the article did not listen to the statement of the prosecutor, since what is written in the article is far from what the prosecutor said hi
    1. +3
      24 May 2018 15: 02
      Well, where did you see the link to the article?
      1. +3
        24 May 2018 15: 14
        I put it wrong. Where did you read what the prosecutor said?
    2. +1
      24 May 2018 16: 04
      The prosecutor told how our BUK arrived in Ukraine, and the prosecutor does not know who shot (with a 1986 rocket), this air defense system or the Ukrainian ones! hi
      1. +5
        24 May 2018 16: 42
        Quote: Dym71
        The prosecutor told how our BUK arrived in Ukraine, and the prosecutor does not know who shot (with a 1986 rocket), this air defense system or the Ukrainian ones! hi

        Missile 86 onwards shooting in 2014 is something! laughing drinks
        1. +1
          24 May 2018 17: 02
          Quote: Doliva63
          Missile 86 onwards shooting in 2014 is something!

          Why not? For APU just right.
          Here is what the Dutch have:

          “The number 9 d 1318869032 is marked on the engine casing. In the course of investigations carried out by the JIT until now, the following value of this number was established. 9d 131 refers to a rocket type engine type 9M38 and / or 9M38M1. Number 8 is the manufacturer’s code designation namely, the Dolgoprudnensky Research and Production Enterprise located in Moscow. The number 86 indicates the year of production, and it is precisely 1986. The number 9032 is a unique identification number for this particular rocket engine. "
          More photos:
          1. +4
            24 May 2018 18: 13
            Quote: Dym71
            On the engine block number 9 d 1318869032 is applied.

            and it took almost 4 years to decrypt this number?


            Jennifer Hurst, chief of the Australian Federal Police, explained computer animated images and explained that the JIT group has earnestly asked the public to help answer three specific questions regarding both of the rocket parts found at the crash site.

            Do you recognize the handwriting that marked the number on the nozzle?

            Do you have information about these numbers on the nozzle and housing? Or do you know someone who knows the meaning of these numbers?

            Do you know about someone or someone who knows which unit the rocket was delivered to?

            Jennifer Hurst: “If you have answers to one or more of these questions, we urge you to contact the JIT group.”


            But there were official requests to the manufacturer in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?
            1. +2
              24 May 2018 18: 27
              Quote: reservist
              and it took almost 4 years to decrypt this number?

              Yes, even if they have been investigating for at least 4 years, but objectively! Why is there no data on Ukrainian beeches? In our entire movie was blinded, but about the APU where at least an alibi?
              Quote: reservist
              But there were official requests to the manufacturer in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

              Good question! Yes
              1. +1
                24 May 2018 19: 36
                I understand that the hand-written number was found on the engine nozzle
                I wonder what or how 32 years ago an inscription was made that did not fade with the rest of the paint during the operation of the engine?
                1. 0
                  24 May 2018 20: 11
                  Quote: reservist
                  I wonder what or how 32 years ago an inscription was made that did not fade with the rest of the paint during the operation of the engine?

                  Steeper than a chemical pencil, there was nothing, but something did not look like it. There are specialists at VO, maybe they will tell you something. hi (and if it turns out that the nozzle was thrown, then the Dutch are worthless)
                  1. 0
                    24 May 2018 20: 49
                    the question should be elementary for artisans from Dolgoprudny

                    or any anti-aircraft defense, who knows what the "stub" of an anti-aircraft missile looks like
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        1. +3
          24 May 2018 17: 06
          Really, why? After all, everything was clear to you in 20 minutes
          1. +1
            24 May 2018 18: 29
            so they did
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            1. +1
              24 May 2018 19: 48
              Quote: Vagabond
              No, not in 20 minutes. about half an hour after this episode was removed from the air

              But the Ukrainian broadcast (watch from 4:48) and what is worse about beeches on it?

            2. +1
              25 May 2018 01: 38
              And is this proof for you?
              Wrong information was removed - and how many fakes then appeared and replaced with the correct one, that's all.
  9. +4
    24 May 2018 14: 53
    No investigation is being conducted. The victims did not appeal to the airline. Where is Scythian gold?
  10. +3
    24 May 2018 14: 57
    It is stated that these installations were exported outside the military unit on June 23-25. Recall that the airliner was shot down over the Donbass on July 17.
    Everything, the Buk burned! Now he will thunder under fanfare because of his "self-propelled" for ten years without the right to upgrade! laughing
  11. +1
    24 May 2018 14: 59
    Nonsense. Now you can’t prove anything. Even if it is established that the beeches left the road, you can think of a million reasons why and why.
  12. +5
    24 May 2018 15: 00
    The prosecutor of Westerbeke stated that the commission proceeded from the one who was hit by MH17 using the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, which was on the field near the village of Pervomayskoye.
    Westerbeke:
    This complex was brought to Ukraine from the territory of Russia, and then exported back.

    This is yes ... what And the "Novice", which poisoned the Skripals to death, was again stuffed into a tube ... wassat And the Soviet sniper killed Kennedy, and then poisoned Oswald with the Novice ... wassat
    And what? From Ukraine already grandmothers "easy" can not be cut down?
    1. +4
      24 May 2018 15: 11
      And Polonsky, who poured polonium from a canister of Litvinenko into coffee?
      1. +2
        24 May 2018 16: 05
        Quote: Dormidont
        And Polonsky, who poured polonium from a canister of Litvinenko into coffee?

        That's why he and Polonsky.
        1. +4
          24 May 2018 16: 55
          Separ DNR (Gray): Quote: Dormidont
          And Polonsky, who poured polonium from a canister of Litvinenko into coffee?
          That's why he and Polonsky.

          He is not supposed to inject anything else according to the charter. After all, in Russia we have: Polonsky is responsible for polonium, Kastorkin for castor, Purgenyan for blast wassat
      2. +1
        25 May 2018 11: 24
        In my opinion, Lugovoi, who is now a deputy, was still there. But Polonsky is a runaway oligarch who was searched for 10 years in Cambodia, extradited to Russia and released in the courtroom.
  13. +3
    24 May 2018 15: 05
    And as usual for the whole 4 year, the investigators "did not find" any significant evidence.
    1. +4
      24 May 2018 16: 02
      They just showed fragments of a rocket with numbers.
      1. +4
        24 May 2018 16: 23
        Well, there are tons of options. We also need real documents on the belonging of these numbers to the Russian, and not the Ukrainian part. They are? Or just believed the first who swore? We need an examination of the debris and numbers themselves with the involvement of Russian experts along with Ukrainian and Dutch. Most likely, we limited ourselves, as always, to Photoshop.
        The fact of such a lengthy investigation and the announcement of a mass of intermediate results along its course indicates a frivolous attitude towards him. This is not an investigation, but continuous anti-Russian propaganda. They do not want to bring the matter to court, replacing it with the “investigation” itself.
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          1. +4
            24 May 2018 17: 07
            And what, for you, this report is an indisputable truth?
            Where did they get the information
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              1. 0
                24 May 2018 20: 55
                Enough waving this report like a pissing rag: "read, read." BE CAREFULLY, Russia without any reports was assigned guilty before the trial, and now it is only "customized to the answer in the training manual." To torment yourself with the question: "Why the hell does Russia bring down a Boeing?" I do not offer for you the answer is already known. From the same training manual
                1. +2
                  24 May 2018 21: 41
                  Quote: Fil743
                  Enough waving this report like a pissing rag: "read, read." BE CAREFULLY, Russia without any reports was assigned guilty before the trial, and now it is only "customized to the answer in the training manual." To torment yourself with the question: "Why the hell does Russia bring down a Boeing?" I do not offer for you the answer is already known. From the same training manual

                  Russia before the trial was appointed guilty by those bouncers who were screaming to the whole world about the downed Ukrainian transport carrier and phone talkers who did not think that conversations could intercept. Say it wasn’t?
              2. +2
                25 May 2018 01: 50
                But you probably read something. So answer - where did the information about the movements of the JMA come from, and even more so about specific surnames.
      2. +2
        24 May 2018 16: 54
        Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
        They just showed fragments of a rocket with numbers.


        Not a lot of digging for 4 that year. So everything will be hushed up "for clarity" years through 10-15.
      3. +4
        24 May 2018 18: 30
        in Ukraine there are 80 beeches, all had rockets with numbers and there were just exercises with firing, you could pick any
        By the way, some parallels from October 4, 2001, do not you find the SBI154 Tel Aviv — Novosibirsk flight Tu-1812M airliner Siberia Airlines?
      4. +4
        24 May 2018 19: 22
        Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
        They just showed fragments of a rocket with numbers.

        judging by the pictures, there are no debris, but .... a whole rocket !! what what what along the way, she just shot down the plane, and then safely almost the whole fell to the ground, so that later it would be investigated by the Dutch "investigators" and other riffraff !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol
      5. +2
        24 May 2018 20: 29
        Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
        They just showed fragments of a rocket with numbers.


        Colin Powell, US Permanent Representative to the UN, in early February 2003:



        I also remember rubbing a test tube with white powder at a UN meeting and convinced that it was an Iraqi WMD. Since then it’s been just some miserable, not 4, but 14 years. Americans are still looking for WMD in Iraq tirelessly.
        1. 0
          24 May 2018 20: 36
          early February 2003:

          I’ve eaten fires which I’m old, I remember how I chopped carrots that day when I watched this meeting, .... and I remember this moment with a test tube.
          I also thought "why did he bring this test tube there and waved it demonstratively, it looks like an advertising stunt"!
          It turned out that way it was.
    2. +3
      24 May 2018 16: 16
      Quote: NF68
      And as usual for the whole 4 year, the investigators "did not find" any significant evidence.

      Well, how did not find? And messages in social networks? smile
      1. 0
        24 May 2018 20: 31
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: NF68
        And as usual for the whole 4 year, the investigators "did not find" any significant evidence.

        Well, how did not find? And messages in social networks? smile


        That's about the same. In social networks, if someone sniffs something stronger than regular tobacco, you still can not be found.
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    1. +9
      24 May 2018 15: 12
      What a cute hutspa
      1. +8
        24 May 2018 15: 18
        Not that word! Today they again have a critical heat day. The warrior admitted as when he asked why they are adequate every other day ... Yes
      2. +6
        24 May 2018 15: 30
        What a cute hutspa
        This is not a hutspa, this is ordinary By the way, just at that time I was Shakhtersk, and not much in the know about those events ........... but Voyak is more visible.
    2. +11
      24 May 2018 15: 19
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russian officers, nor the DNI militias did not know
      that shoot at the civilian side

      Damn this statement ... Do you have evidence of the presence of Russian officers? And about the shooting of the militias?
      1. +3
        24 May 2018 16: 30

        Mishkin Konstantin. From the same 53rd brigade. Retell the statute of the Order of "St. George" or what? And the "militia" certainly did not shoot. He shot the Russian crew, sent to help the "militias".
        1. +4
          24 May 2018 16: 52
          Quote: Netzah Netzah_2

          Mishkin Konstantin. From the same 53rd brigade. Retell the statute of the Order of "St. George" or what? And the "militia" certainly did not shoot. He shot the Russian crew, sent to help the "militias".

          To say what he wanted, a scarecrow?
        2. +2
          24 May 2018 18: 31
          is this your boss
        3. +3
          24 May 2018 19: 26
          Quote: Netzah Netzah_2

          Mishkin Konstantin. From the same 53rd brigade. Retell the statute of the Order of "St. George" or what? And the "militia" certainly did not shoot. He shot the Russian crew, sent to help the "militias".

          Informnapalm as a propaganda project of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2116532.html

          wink Yes laughing laughing laughing
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    4. +3
      24 May 2018 15: 24
      wink Neighing, senks you made my day :). The killing is deliberate and it is a fact. Why didn’t they get there? So these are the problems of the Indians. They don’t care about the sheriff! In fact, well, if you take international law, then after the trial there will be a strong aless kaput. For the linear part took part in the hostilities on the territory of Ukraine, but at the same time its type was not. If the flag corresponds to the writer, then he must understand! wink
      1. +5
        24 May 2018 15: 33
        Quote: dgonni
        wink Neighing, senks you made my day :). The killing is deliberate and it is a fact. Why didn’t they get there? So these are the problems of the Indians. They don’t care about the sheriff! In fact, well, if you take international law, then after the trial there will be a strong aless kaput. For the linear part took part in the hostilities on the territory of Ukraine, but at the same time its type was not. If the flag corresponds to the writer, then he must understand! wink

        First, neighing at the comment of the Warriors, then shook at your comment. Where does the information about the "linear parts" come from? From non-linear media in Ukraine, drawing information from your comments and parallel reality? laughing
      2. +3
        24 May 2018 15: 46
        on Russian Buk’s there is a fuse prohibiting launching on a civilian target with a transponder, but on a cannon of Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft they are put vryatli
        with civilian planes of a different color, nothing happened in the sky
        1. +1
          24 May 2018 16: 13
          The beech can recognize the target and even more distinguish the military from the civilian.
          1. +1
            24 May 2018 17: 00
            Well, what do I have written? also forbids to let civil
        2. +4
          24 May 2018 16: 26
          Firstly, the Su-25 cannot catch up with the Boeing either in height or speed. Secondly, guns leave other damage. Thirdly, any fuses are switchable.
          1. +3
            24 May 2018 17: 00
            firstly, it can be both in height and speed, see the Ukroboronservis website on the Su-25 and not the wiki, secondly, the damage is identical to just fragmentation from a 30mm gun, thirdly you forgot about the unique color and that on some attack aircraft fuses that warn about the fact that the goal is civilian, they are not set at all.
          2. +4
            24 May 2018 17: 56
            Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
            Firstly, the Su-25 cannot catch the Boeing either in height or in speed

            Lord .... But where do such "experts" come from ??? Review the Mentos ad - "Sometimes it's better to be silent than say"
      3. +2
        24 May 2018 19: 29
        Quote: dgonni
        The killing is deliberate and it is a fact. Why didn’t they get there? So these are the problems of the Indians. They don’t care about the sheriff! In fact, well, if you take international law, then after the trial there will be a strong aless kaput.


        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Катастрофа_A300_над
        _Persian Gulf
        wink Yes
    5. +8
      24 May 2018 15: 25
      You can only be accused of unintentional murder.
      Neither Russian officers nor DNR militias knew
      You are in my opinion matzah today .....
      1. +6
        24 May 2018 15: 58
        Quote: 72jora72
        You can only be accused of unintentional murder.
        Neither Russian officers nor DNR militias knew
        You are in my opinion matzah today .....

        It is just scum.
        1. +2
          24 May 2018 16: 55
          [/ Quote]
          It is just scum. [/ Quote]
          Are you talking about who ordered to bring down a passenger plane? I agree. Scum shoot down passenger aircraft
          1. +2
            24 May 2018 17: 23
            [quote = G A_2] [/ quote]
            It is just scum. [/ Quote]
            Are you talking about who ordered to bring down a passenger plane? [/ quote]
            Learn Russian language.
            1. +1
              24 May 2018 20: 19
              [quote = Avis-bis] [quote = G A_2] [/ quote]
              It is just scum. [/ Quote]
              Are you talking about who ordered to bring down a passenger plane? [/ quote]
              Learn Russian. [/ Quote]
              I respect that you do not deny that scum shot down passenger planes
              1. 0
                25 May 2018 08: 40
                [quote = G A_2] [quote = Avis-bis] [quote = G A_2] [/ quote]
                It is just scum. [/ Quote]
                Are you talking about who ordered to bring down a passenger plane? [/ quote]
                Learn Russian. [/ Quote]
                I respect that you do not deny that scum shoot down passenger planes [/ quote]
                Hmm ...
                1. 0
                  25 May 2018 10: 41
                  [quote = Avis-bis] [quote = G A_2] [quote = Avis-bis] [quote = G A_2] [/ quote]
                  It is just scum. [/ Quote]
                  Are you talking about who ordered to bring down a passenger plane? [/ quote]
                  Learn Russian. [/ Quote]
                  I respect that you do not deny that scum shoot down passenger planes [/ quote]
                  Hmm ... [/ quote]
                  Think Think. Think about it. Turn on the brain
                  1. +1
                    25 May 2018 11: 11
                    Quote: G A_2

                    Think Think. Think about it. Turn on the brain

                    And now - in front of the mirror, with expression, repeatedly. Begin, I allow.
          2. +2
            24 May 2018 18: 33
            and for a long time they chose, looked for a similar
            and at the same time in other countries with a small interval they splashed another 2, 3 aircraft of the same airline Yes
    6. +7
      24 May 2018 15: 29
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Therefore, the first enthusiastic series of messages on mobile phones after the explosion:
      "our failed APU."

      Naturally, because no one, except for the APU, flew and bombed there, and only the APU got off planes. Therefore, the joy of a downed plane, no one could have imagined that a civilian side was shot down. So this is not proof. Try to refute the questions from our side. Although it is possible that the Americans were finally able to produce and present “secret data” after 4 years - a presentation a la Skripali.
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    8. +1
      24 May 2018 15: 47
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTaCbmX4ffQ
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgfa_kWm4_k
      For you warrior.
    9. +15
      24 May 2018 15: 54
      Question to the moderator, why do you delete comments for the word Jew? Is this an insult for you? I’m not offended when they call me Russian) and it’s still not clear that a person makes anti-Russian statements, but you don’t react? A logical question is who are you by nationality?
    10. BAI
      +1
      24 May 2018 15: 57
      Neither Russian officers nor DNR militias knew
      that they shoot at the civilian side.

      And why not under the leadership of Putin?
      1. 0
        24 May 2018 21: 07
        They didn’t forget to look into the training manual, and without it, "you will not see through to the root"
    11. +4
      24 May 2018 15: 57
      voyaka uh (Alexey
      You can only be accused of unintentional murder.
      Neither Russian officers nor DNR militias knew
      that they shoot at the civilian side. They were sure that
      shot down by a Ukrainian military transporter transferring a soldier.
      Therefore, the first enthusiastic series of messages on mobile phones after the explosion:
      "our failed APU." Therefore, the first SMS and phone calls on mobile phones
      from the crash site were bewildered: "Oh, there are civilians!"

      And where is it, tell me Ukrainian soldiers were transferred, to Russia or what? Let me remind you that the board was shot down at an altitude of 10000 meters, in order for the board to land on Ukrainian territory, it would have to go down in the CORKSCREW mode. You, as I understand it, sir, not far from the Dutch prosecutor left. What do you smoke?
      1. +3
        24 May 2018 16: 16
        Yes, to Russia - to give up on their own, there was such a thing in 2014 and the BMP was abandoned and 300 VSUshnikov crossed the border to save ours.
        1. +2
          24 May 2018 20: 36
          Quote: Vadim237
          300 VSUshnikov crossed the border

          more ... about 440 pieces !!! request request
    12. +4
      24 May 2018 16: 04
      You can be accused of aggression against a sovereign state (in Nuremberg, some were hanged for precisely this), in creating interference with the investigation, and in the extradition of criminals.
      1. +7
        24 May 2018 16: 23
        Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
        You can be accused of aggression against a sovereign state (in Nuremberg, some were hanged for precisely this), in creating interference with the investigation, and in the extradition of criminals.

        On these counts half the world can be blamed. For example, India is for East Pakistan. Or Europe with the USA - for Yugoslavia. Or the USA - for Grenada, Panama, Second Iraq. Or some for the invasion of Lebanon + by the terrorist Yitzhak Shamir. wink
      2. +6
        24 May 2018 16: 28
        In Nuremberg there was no court, but a tribunal of the victorious powers. Let's wait until these appear. By the way, they may turn out to be completely non-Western ...
      3. +1
        24 May 2018 17: 00
        Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
        You can blame aggression against a sovereign state (in Nuremberg, some were hanged for precisely this)

        And taking into account the fact that the conclusions of the Nuremberg Tribunal are really arrogant fakes, and it was precisely the Poles who arranged the Glyivitsa incident in real life - the verdict to Ribbentrop is blatant lawlessness! However, the reason is clear: it was not in vain that Streicher, standing under a noose, shouted loudly: "Purimfest!" (By the way, Streicher was a rare bastard - but his crimes obviously didn’t drag him to the gallows!)
    13. +6
      24 May 2018 16: 11
      Yes, a transport plane at an altitude of 10 kilometers near the border with Russia was transporting something for the APU, I probably wanted to board an invisible airfield in Lugansk or Donetsk - you didn’t hit your cabin in Israel for an hour, or your air conditioner broke down - you overheated.
      1. +3
        24 May 2018 16: 30
        For example, conduct air reconnaissance. Near Slavyansk shot down such An-30B
        1. +3
          24 May 2018 16: 57
          This in my opinion flew at an altitude of 6500. There is one hundred percent evidence that Ukraine is to blame, as it did not close the air corridors for civil aviation over the territory where the fighting was conducted.
        2. +3
          24 May 2018 17: 32
          Quote: Mimoprohodil
          For example, conduct air reconnaissance. Near Slavyansk shot down such An-30B

          An-30 at such a height in life will not climb.
          1. Hog
            0
            24 May 2018 22: 26
            Why?
            It seems that he has 8 with a penny ceiling.
            1. 0
              25 May 2018 08: 41
              Quote: Hog
              Why?
              It seems that he has 8 with a penny ceiling.

              Somewhere like that. A downed plane went 10+ km. Very big difference.
    14. +1
      24 May 2018 16: 26
      And here are the tales with dramatizations in time ... In court, when will the case be heard?
  15. +4
    24 May 2018 15: 10
    Are they going to sue? And as evidence, “screens” from networks to expose?
    I do not believe that missiles of the 96th year of release were preserved in the Russian army ...
    1. +5
      24 May 2018 16: 49
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Are they going to sue? And as evidence, “screens” from networks to expose?
      I do not believe that missiles of the 96th year of release were preserved in the Russian army ...

      86th, colleague. The 86th! laughing drinks
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      1. +2
        24 May 2018 18: 38
        And screenshots can be believed better and better
      2. 0
        24 May 2018 21: 16
        but you believe in the conclusion of the commission! And which version do you consider to be reality? Although what am I: for you, the only reality is the version in which the Boeing brought down the Russian calculation by direct order of Putin
    3. +2
      24 May 2018 20: 39
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Are they going to sue? And as evidence, “screens” from networks to expose?

      recourse recourse and after everything that has happened over the past 5 years, you will be surprised at such a court ??? what wassat laughing laughing laughing
  16. +10
    24 May 2018 15: 15
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Neither Russian officers nor DNR militias knew
    that they shoot at the civilian side.

    --------------------------------
    Stunned version. In your opinion, only in Israel the air defense system can do anything. Firstly, according to ICAO standards, this Ukraine did not provide safety to the board in its airspace, which means that it is guilty in any way. Secondly, the krivoruky and deaf-blind deaf Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers, the dispatchers should have known that they were directing the board into the combat zone. Thirdly, this side could be shot down without taking the air defense system beyond the borders of Russia.
    We are waiting for progress in the Kennedy case and other high-profile cases. We were appointed guilty of everything. Even for the Arab children who are mowed by the Israeli military with explosive bullets, apparently, we are also responsible.
    1. +3
      24 May 2018 16: 09
      There was no war zone! For there were like a militia and they dug up machine guns in the mines wink . Well, what about Buk? He sprouted from dampness. It’s just that some morons didn’t have to post what they don’t post on social networks. And so we burned to the fullest!
      1. +8
        24 May 2018 16: 34
        Quote: dgonni
        It’s just that some morons didn’t have to post what they don’t post on social networks. And so we burned to the fullest!

        Or maybe it wasn’t necessary to show Buk complexes transferred to the ATO zone twice on the official channel of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, including self-propelled guns with b / n 332? wink
      2. +2
        24 May 2018 18: 39
        and it’s not worth flying on the Su-25, it’s not invisible Yes the gun also leaves characteristic traces
  17. +8
    24 May 2018 15: 17
    This complex was brought to Ukraine from the territory of Russia, and then exported back.
    Very similar to the story with a hole and test tubes good
  18. +11
    24 May 2018 15: 18
    "however, it cannot yet say exactly who and why brought down a passenger airliner"" ...

    I really forgot in which year this airliner fell (so to speak) ...
    After all, it was clear to any horse then that such tricks were suicidal in Russia ...
    But THESE horses - it’s still not clear why this Boeing was shot down ...
    But after answering this simple question (“Who benefits?”), A reliable answer is instantly displayed ... Which is the LGBT committee of the LGBT country that has not seen point-blank for a year ... request angry
    1. +6
      24 May 2018 15: 32
      Quote: weksha50
      But after answering this simple question ("Who benefits?")

      And this is the most important question. The motive for the crime, but apparently the Dutch prosecutor did not hear about such a concept.
    2. +2
      24 May 2018 21: 01
      Quote: weksha50
      that such tricks are suicidal in Russia ...

      far from suicidal ... even assuming the delusional version that Russia shot down a Boeing, then there would be no consequences, let alone implying the collapse of our country !!! wink Yes
      1. +1
        25 May 2018 11: 15
        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
        .even if we assume the delusional version that Russia shot down a Boeing, then there would be no consequences, let alone implying the collapse of our country !!!



        Yes, on ... WHY Russia was to bring down THIS Boeing ??? !!! request
        1. +2
          25 May 2018 16: 51
          Quote: weksha50
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          .even if we assume the delusional version that Russia shot down a Boeing, then there would be no consequences, let alone implying the collapse of our country !!!



          Yes, on ... WHY Russia was to bring down THIS Boeing ??? !!! request

          recourse recourse I simply admitted this hypothetically in order to refute your version that such a scenario threatens Russia with some destructive consequences !!! request request wassat wassat wassat
  19. +5
    24 May 2018 15: 18
    morons are not born, they become in adulthood
  20. +4
    24 May 2018 15: 19
    Hehe ... the Dutch ... stoned again ... cigarettes with Marie Juanna ... they have a lollipop ... they read what is written on the fence ... and they enter into an interesting relationship with the fence.
  21. +5
    24 May 2018 15: 22
    No! Well, tell me, prosecutor, how much did the killers of people from MH-17 pay you ?!
    1. +4
      24 May 2018 16: 34
      strictly according to the tariff - 30 pieces of silver
      1. +1
        24 May 2018 17: 06
        Quote: Dormidont
        strictly according to the tariff - 30 pieces of silver

        No, lift on Xnumx order higher! This cheap snitch Judah received a pathetic 30 shekels for his betrayal, but to the prosecutor (sorry, to the procurator) Pontius Pilate for the necessary sentence Jews were crazy 30 talents (1 talent = 1500 shekels) - it is approximately 60 kg "ginger", 2,5 lemon bucks at today's rate!
  22. +3
    24 May 2018 15: 22
    Quote: voyaka uh
    You can only be accused of unintentional murder.
    Neither Russian officers nor DNR militias knew
    that they shoot at the civilian side. They were sure that
    shot down by a Ukrainian military transporter transferring a soldier.
    Therefore, the first enthusiastic series of messages on mobile phones after the explosion:
    "our failed APU." Therefore, the first SMS and phone calls on mobile phones
    from the crash site were bewildered: "Oh, there are civilians!"

    Very dark story stop . The same APUs reported their wrecked sides for 2-3 days, and with the Boeing they were already aware in the first hours what Even read yesterday’s news in which case the Russian Federation was acquitted yesterday. Moreover, because of this very thing, we have already missed 2 Olympiads, the analogy is certainly not appropriate, but take a closer look wink It often turns out that what the media is talking about and officials is a lie request We are waiting for the next act of this tragedy soldier
  23. +10
    24 May 2018 15: 28
    And Westerbeck’s jerk can explain why the heck then “shot himself” ukroletun Voloshin with two shots to the head?
  24. +8
    24 May 2018 15: 30
    Boeing, Skripali, Syrian Duma - everything is written in one rotten Western training manual. Dumb, girls!
    1. +2
      24 May 2018 16: 35
      Not only Western, but also Middle Eastern
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  26. +8
    24 May 2018 15: 31
    winked "Dutch prosecutors" is the same meme as "British scientists" ?! request
  27. +5
    24 May 2018 15: 38
    Quote: pishchak
    winked "Dutch prosecutors" is the same meme as "British scientists" ?! request

    Same thing as Canadian lawyers wink
    1. +4
      24 May 2018 15: 45
      it's the same as Georgian warriors and Ukrainian Europeans laughing
  28. +6
    24 May 2018 15: 44
    Quote: Egorovich
    Boeing, Skripali, Syrian Duma - everything is written in one rotten Western training manual. Dumb, girls!

    You can even add here - the testimony of Naira 10.10.90, 11.09.2001, Hussein, 08.08.2008, the murder of the creditor Sarkozy Yes
  29. +3
    24 May 2018 15: 45
    In this case, why did all the dispatchers disappear? they should be protected as violinists ...
  30. +2
    24 May 2018 15: 50
    Again they smoked a pickpocket.
  31. +7
    24 May 2018 15: 50
    What else can be said about this ... We have a social network in VO ... so here I am writing in a social network that Boeing failed Poroshenko personally from a slingshot ... Please take this information into account when the prosecutor makes the next statement ...
  32. +7
    24 May 2018 15: 51
    Everywhere I ask one question, no one has answered yet, at one time, though quite a long time ago, dealt with the analysis of such military operations, the operational situation is, in principle, always the same ..... This also applied to the Korean Boeing and other cases of amer operations ... .
    Here's the question: How, over a specific small area, up to minutes "accidentally" turned out to be an American reconnaissance satellite that controls the launch of missiles on the ground, a control band somewhere 60-100 km wide, that is, quite selective. The probability of coincidence of the events of a satellite’s flight at the moment and above the place of launching the missiles is very small .. Yes, there are only a few satellites of this class and purpose ... Americans at the beginning boasted that they have high resolution images of the Buk’s rocket launch, and they immediately called " air defense system "and the area of ​​deployment .... True, then they said that they are secret and will not show anyone .... The presence of a satellite and flight time were summed up at the 1st om briefing of our Moscow Region .....
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    1. +3
      24 May 2018 16: 21
      And how do you think it can be tracked? Did the crew ride and report on their movements through open communications?
    2. +4
      24 May 2018 16: 57
      Now, when these evidence will be presented at the trial, then it will be possible to draw conclusions. This case, thanks to the Ukrainian-Western side, immediately took on the character of bullying of the Russian Federation, so any statements from either side can be safely attributed to propaganda.
      Only a classic court session can clarify something. "Interim reports" have no evidence. Because they represent the point of view of only one side.
      1. +3
        24 May 2018 21: 07
        Quote: meandr51
        Only a classic court session can clarify something.

        not a fact ... American "justice" has already shown itself in all its glory, accusing Iran of a "terrorist attack" on September 11 .... while all this pointed to Saudi Arabia !!! request request
    3. +2
      24 May 2018 18: 46
      troll too primitive
      but when it turns out in court that the Buk is not Russian but Ukrainian, and in general the holes are not from Buk but from the Su-25, then where is it tracked-outlined and to whom will it be put?
      the Dutch prosecutor’s office would still be blocked, and even I’m sorry for them
    4. +2
      25 May 2018 07: 34
      Quote: Vagabond
      In fact, almost all of this was made public in the JIT interim report back in 2016.
      There, the installation route was tracked literally by meters and by minutes.

      Do you believe in this nonsense? I feel sorry for you...
  34. +4
    24 May 2018 15: 53
    http://rus.tvnet.lv/novosti/za_rubjezhom/391576-m
    ezhdunarodnaya_sledstvennaya_gruppa_buk_sbivshiy_
    boeing_nad_donbassom_pribyl_iz_kurska
    Only facts, without an emotional component.
    I know, a tantrum will begin now. But nonetheless.
    Who prevented our conduct their investigation? Moreover, the area was controlled by militias. Would collect evidence, photo video materials .....
    Instead, some crazy ones popped up on the air, and gave out 10 mutually exclusive versions. They carried complete nonsense, like Mishka Leontyev. Where is at least one photo of Ukrainian Beech. What, in the east of Ukraine there are few sympathizers?
    You can continue to write sarcastic comments, shine with humor. But alas, the trial will pass, and something tells me intuition, the verdict will not please us.
    (and on the development of events after the Crimea, my intuition did not disappoint me. Everything as I predicted).
    1. +8
      24 May 2018 16: 05
      Quote: Tomatoes

      Who prevented our conduct their investigation?

      Stop smoking nonsense, go to the nightshade. If even one of our representatives had appeared there, the howl would have risen to heaven. Militias did not once a day call to themselves any conceivable commission. Nobody drove Pachimuta until the winds, rains and time destroyed all the evidence.
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        1. +6
          24 May 2018 17: 25
          Quote: Vagabond

          Most likely you smoke nonsense. As soon as you talk about things unknown to you.
          Russian investigators in JIT could not be in principle. Do you know how and why the international JIT investigation team was created?

          A set of words.
      2. +2
        24 May 2018 18: 54
        You have the same advice squared. As I understand it, to collect evidence, you need to put a bell on your nose, a flasher on your hat, and a herald must run ahead - the road, the road !!!
        And as I said above, the territory was under the control of the militia. Who would raise a howl there? Motorola, Givi ???
        By the way, the striking elements of Buk were perfectly removed from the Boeing’s corps.
        https://www.timpul.md/ru/articol/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D1%
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        80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%89%D0%B8%D1%85-%D1%
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        91%D1%83%D0%BA-%D0%9C1-2%E2%80%B3-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1
        %82%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B9-17-%D0%B8%D1%8E%D0%BB
        %D1%8F-2014-%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BB-%C2%AB%D0%91
        %D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%C2%BB-MH-17-71679.html
        As time has not destroyed.
        1. 0
          25 May 2018 08: 46
          Quote: Tomatoes
          You have the same advice squared. As I understand it, to collect evidence, you need to put a bell on your nose, a flasher on your hat, and a herald must run ahead - the road, the road !!!
          And as I said above, the territory was under the control of the militia. Who would raise a howl there? Motorola, Givi ???

          As time has not destroyed.

          Did she understand what got it? Howls would be raised by all sorts of "universal people" that the Russian Federation again "intervened somewhere and creates aggression in the occupied territory." The GGE is not all the evidence, but you have nothing to understand, so do not go around even on this topic.
    2. +3
      24 May 2018 16: 52
      The fact that the Russian side did not have a slim version from the very beginning speaks in favor of the complete surprise of the event for the Russian Federation. In Russia today, democracy and the lack of censorship. Therefore, the number of versions of adequate and inadequate people can be any. This does not mean anything. The lack of Soviet censorship in the media hinders verbal diarrhea.
      And the investigation goes on slowly. But faster and more professional than the Dutch.
    3. +3
      24 May 2018 18: 50
      and why did you get that it was not conducted? in any air force with experience not from social networks, holes from shrapnel missiles cannot be distinguished from cannons by guns only lol
      Almaz-Antey set up his experiments, they already explained it to you, but again you got out like a goose.
    4. +1
      24 May 2018 23: 54
      Quote: Tomatoes
      Who prevented our conduct their investigation? Moreover, the area was controlled by militias. They would collect evidence, photo and video materials.

      And you do not know that from morning till night ukrovoins treated this area from mortars in the first days after the fall? And even when the international commission was already there, shelling took place ... Yes, and the Russian Ministry of Defense provided their pictures, but only they were nafig not needed by this "commission". By the way, where's the recording of crew talks with the dispatcher? It evaporated, like the dispatcher himself ...
  35. +4
    24 May 2018 15: 55
    The Dutch played with the legalization of soft drugs.
    It’s time for the prosecutor to switch to kefir.
  36. +7
    24 May 2018 15: 58
    Quote: Vagabond
    There, the installation route was tracked literally by meters and by minutes.

    It’s ridiculous to track the installation path according to Internet trolls on the network .... I hope you are not serious laughing
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      1. +4
        24 May 2018 17: 22
        Information from the networks is not proof, but a deliberate disinformation of subjective bloggers, you can trust the total des from the network if you want to, I just saw fake montages (as a pro I can figure out where the photo is mounted and where not) ....
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          1. +3
            24 May 2018 18: 24
            Bullshit, the person is subjective and fasts only what he wants, the radar marks, black box data, negotiations, and the results of investigative experiments can be objective .... And as for the tens of thousands of testimonies, it's ridiculous, so many ukrov wrote on the phone then, you can imagine .....
          2. +1
            24 May 2018 21: 27
            And who programmed your "inanimate source", the Lord himself or was it programmed? And about the impossibility of “cumulative disinformation of several tens of thousands of sources” you ask hackers how they organize Ddos attacks on servers
          3. +1
            25 May 2018 07: 03
            We are trump with the help of social. networks, troll factories selected, or how?
      2. +1
        24 May 2018 18: 54
        customized for divination on coffee grounds will be shorter
        Quote: Vagabond
        So here is the information from the networks - full part this aggregate. You, apparently, do not know that for a long time there is a method of mass-parallel processing of a huge number of vaguely structured data, which allows you to draw quite reliable conclusions.

        but is there any other part besides this? bully
      3. +1
        25 May 2018 07: 36
        Quote: Vagabond
        Absolutely seriously! It is by ignorance that you believe that the path of Buka was investigated exclusively according to reports from social networks. Do you know such a thing as a “body of evidence”? So the information from the networks is a full part of this aggregate. You, apparently, do not know that for a long time there is a method of mass-parallel processing of a huge number of vaguely structured data, which allows you to draw quite reliable conclusions.

        Oh, these storytellers ..... I heard a ringing and does not know what he
        1. +1
          25 May 2018 08: 13
          full and absolute Yes because there are no others other than from social networks in favor of this
    2. +2
      24 May 2018 18: 56
      Darling, but we argue after the verdict of the court you will not be up to moronic emoticons.
      1. +1
        24 May 2018 20: 36
        and what counter measures do you propose? bully
        and who will be judged?
  37. +4
    24 May 2018 16: 00
    All that appeared predictably and actually expected ... football here it is, soon. The main thing is insanity in statements for more.
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    1. +2
      24 May 2018 18: 55
      for three take a picture on ava is also not comme il faut Yes
  39. +4
    24 May 2018 16: 09
    Quote: voyaka uh
    You can only be accused of unintentional murder.
    Neither Russian officers nor DNR militias knew
    that they shoot at the civilian side. They were sure that
    shot down by a Ukrainian military transporter transferring a soldier.
    Therefore, the first enthusiastic series of messages on mobile phones after the explosion:
    "our failed APU." Therefore, the first SMS and phone calls on mobile phones
    from the crash site were bewildered: "Oh, there are civilians!"


    Very valuable evidence .. that everyone should know.
    1. +1
      24 May 2018 18: 56
      you are right, otherwise you took and erased this comment, as if people are fighting in the void
  40. ZVS
    +3
    24 May 2018 16: 09
    The prosecutor of the Netherlands apparently has no idea that DLNR did not need Buki to land the dill aviation. ))))))))
    1. +1
      24 May 2018 16: 45
      After all, they already had Shells, Watch from 3:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE0dPJV6aoM
  41. +5
    24 May 2018 16: 09
    Sneaky Dutch. They did not believe in the Su-25, catching up with the Boeing at extreme heights and speeds, they did not believe in the photo of the Su-27 from the air of the First Channel, they didn’t even want to listen to Carlos’s “controller” ... Sneaky, sneaky Dutch. ..
    1. +12
      24 May 2018 16: 13
      But they believed in a group of Bellingcat trolls, which are the same couch warriors and you too am you can believe
      1. +2
        24 May 2018 16: 22
        And what does Bellingket have to do with it?
        1. +7
          24 May 2018 16: 26
          So the Dutch took the basis of evidence from their materials, and the press in the West only wrote about their conclusions ..... Neither Antey’s full-scale experiment nor radar data (objective) were taken into account, but I can compose fairy tales no worse than a bellingcat. ...
          1. +6
            24 May 2018 16: 34
            yaros (Alexander)
            and to compose fairy tales and I know how no worse than a bellingcat ....
            But these are pipes. You won’t succeed. The problem is that the West really believes that inscriptions on fences data from social networks is objective evidence. Well, or they pretend to believe.
            1. +2
              24 May 2018 16: 40
              So I pretend to believe you
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            1. +4
              24 May 2018 18: 37
              Nonsense ... re-read, it says that the missiles could not have been from the side of Snezhnoye in principle, damage from either side, stop manipulating the facts
              1. +1
                24 May 2018 18: 57
                In court, all this will say.
            2. +1
              24 May 2018 18: 57
              because reality has already been decided?
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        1. +2
          24 May 2018 17: 32
          Look at the Belligcat group on the Internet, its composition, the methods of their research can be seen from the conclusions ... Prejudicedly took messages from only one side ... I saw fake photos in their materials many times ... It is easy to check to take the actual weather and cloud cover at the time of the incident and compare them in the pictures ... well, as for the trolls, look in the mirror ....
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            1. +2
              24 May 2018 18: 34
              I said look at the Bellingcat group, and everything will become clear, the charge of trollism is boring, change the argument .... For this time I reviewed so many materials, you can’t bring about fake photos here, but I've seen traces of Buck’s sides in Photoshop, traces from the launch of rockets, under the weather conditions that were, by the way, what about the tracks, have you ever seen real launches, there is a trace in the sky for several minutes .....
              1. +1
                25 May 2018 02: 08
                I do not want to say 100%, but it’s not the Bellingket guys who claimed that 312 is the number of a specific SDA?
            2. 0
              24 May 2018 18: 59
              so you had no specific questions, you are not a sectarian?
              1. +2
                24 May 2018 20: 25
                After the White Helmets, do you continue to believe Western propaganda?
                1. 0
                  24 May 2018 20: 31
                  google what is vagabond
        2. +3
          24 May 2018 21: 25
          Quote: Vagabond
          And how can you object to the conclusions of Bellingcat?

          AntiBellingcat exposes fakes

          https://news2.ru/story/503569/

          wink Yes Yes Yes
    2. 0
      24 May 2018 18: 59
      the speed of the Su-25 is greater than the speed of the Boeing by at least 50 km an hour, the ceiling is slightly lower than that of the A-10 at 13 thousand, which does not suit you?
      photo Su-27 on the air of the first American pranker threw there even smart you do not have to be to understand that this is installation
  42. +2
    24 May 2018 16: 10
    Maybe supposed, etc. Again, no direct evidence, and who needs them now? Russia immediately imposed sanctions blaming everything .. We are already somehow used to it and we don’t even laugh, the diagnosis has long been known!
    Fred Westerbeck, spokesman for the Netherlands

    It's interesting to listen to this when it becomes an ex ... bully
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    1. +8
      24 May 2018 16: 17
      Listen appropriately, what did the Amer’s satellite do over the area to the nearest minute? Once again I ask, it is clear to adequate people that this operation was planned in the United States, the militia could not in any way correct the Boeing’s path so that it fell into the air defense coverage area, but the dispatchers could easily, at the time and place when the satellite flew by and where you could get a rocket .. ...
      So again Voloshin’s strange death, the loss of the dispatcher, is dirty work .....
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        1. +5
          24 May 2018 18: 07
          1e We are talking about a specialized satellite, according to my information there are only 4 of them with amers, plus or minus a couple, with a resolution of shooting the surface in cm, the Americans, if you remember, boasted that they distinguished shoulder straps on soldiers. JIT announced the images, but didn’t show anyone, do you have any idea how to synchronize a satellite in low orbit (reconnaissance) with an event on earth?
          2 And where are these dispatchers? Now, as it was possible to send an airplane to meteorological conditions (meteorological conditions were excellent) to the combat zone, and even lower the level of altitude ..
          3 Taki why Voloshin was removed or he himself withdrew, a coincidence from the idiotic .... Proof of Voloshin in the September briefing give ...? But I remember perfectly the 1st Conf MO and about the marks of the planes ..... This suggests someone’s lies
          4 I read the JIT report, all the facts from the networks were torn out, what serious investigation could be discussed if they didn’t collect all the fragments, and even the remains of the corpses are still being sent by DNR people ......
          1. 0
            24 May 2018 20: 40
            Quote: yaros
            Proof about Voloshin in the September briefing give ...? But I remember perfectly the 1st Conf MO and about the marks of the planes ..... This suggests someone’s lies
            "No third-party air objects were detected near the Malaysian aircraft.. The exception is two civilian vessels with numbers 1775, its trajectories are shown, and 4722 with its trajectory. The first ship crossed the Malaysian plane long before the crash. And the second ship is currently located at a distance of more than 30 kilometers from it, "says Victor Meshcheryakov.

            https://www.1tv.ru/news/2016-09-26/310723-rossiys
            kie_voennye_obnarodovali_dannye_radiolokatorov_v_
            den_katastrofy_v_donbasse_aircraft_boing
            1. +1
              24 May 2018 21: 02
              I specifically looked through it, in fact, the first information is primary, in the second they could specifically omit this fact, at least from the fact that the information was precisely on Buk, and there are not any other reasons ....
    2. +3
      24 May 2018 16: 37
      Don't talk nonsense
      1. +1
        24 May 2018 16: 59
        If you justify this in my address, from July 14th it was clear where the ears were coming from, after the MO briefing with operational maps, and during that time I didn’t change my mind who the customer was .... Well, maybe the process itself was reviewed several times, in connection with new facts ....
    3. +4
      24 May 2018 16: 38
      Quote: Vagabond
      when Russia blocked the creation of a special tribunal

      Well, to hell with you, at first can a tribunal for Iraq and Libya be created under the auspices of the UN in Moscow, with judges from Basmanny? Will you vote for?
      Russia has the right to block, take it as the triumph of the law.
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        1. +5
          24 May 2018 18: 16
          Complete lies am in my memory many times the question was raised about Iraq and Libya in the UN Security Council
        2. +1
          25 May 2018 01: 22
          Quote: Vagabond
          Your question is ridiculous and absurd!
          Since the question of a tribunal for Libya and Iraq has not been raised in the UN Security Council! This is the first!

          Does it mean that there was no crime?
          Quote: Vagabond
          And secondly, neither Libya nor Iraq have anything to do with the shelling of a civilian liner in the sky of Ukraine.

          States and NATO have. Both there and in Ukraine, to the war.
          Quote: Vagabond
          Yes, Russia has a veto in the UN Security Council. But vetoing the proposal to create a special tribunal for the downed Boyin almost directly means Russia's recognition of its responsibility for this crime.

          This indicates doubts about the independence of such a tribunal and its decisions. Skripal-presentation for nodding allies idioms only confirms this.
        3. +1
          25 May 2018 02: 12
          On the realization that there will be no objective debriefing
    4. +2
      24 May 2018 16: 40
      Quote: Vagabond
      [
      The story is not dark, but clear and understandable to all adequate people!

      Because you do not understand it.
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        1. +3
          24 May 2018 18: 15
          Quote: Vagabond

          A little more absurd comment poorly come up with?

          Inventing those is your part. This is not for me.
        2. +1
          25 May 2018 02: 28
          So it was already - that the records in social networks are objective evidence
    5. +1
      24 May 2018 16: 48
      You have not answered how, in your opinion, the tracking of the JMA was carried out. Here, after answering this question, it will be possible to reason whether it is certain or not. As long as you have Churchill-style evidence, the argument is weak, which means you need to raise your voice. And, by the way, is Ukraine's wine also indisputable?
    6. 0
      24 May 2018 19: 04
      Quote: Vagabond
      Russia's responsibility for this crime is undeniable. This was clear on the very day when, after 20 minutes, Life News broadcasted a message about the downed Ukrainian An-26. Then this plot was removed from the air.

      it can only be written by an inadequate provocateur or zombie,
      1. A journalist can visually determine the type of a falling airplane with difficulty, although engine nacelles differ very much, but
      2. The type of the Buk air defense missile system (which you blame) can be determined accurately even before launch Yes
  44. +3
    24 May 2018 16: 20
    "The prosecutor Westerbeck said ..." but what to listen to, they are all there fool
  45. +8
    24 May 2018 16: 24
    If shot from Buk, then the destructive elements are in the wreckage. The characteristics, composition and structure of the alloy for a material expert are like fingerprints for a forensic expert. It is possible to establish the structure of the alloy and the shape of the damaging element and the year of manufacture. Then the search circle narrows significantly and you can specifically say whose rocket. And on the basis of the Internet - you can dig out all that hosh - even that the Earth is flat and Nibiru is about to fly.
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      1. +2
        24 May 2018 19: 06
        not even close
        it seems that if you read at least something, then nothing but him
      2. +1
        24 May 2018 21: 01
        I read. Therefore, I am surprised at the transcendent stupidity of some jokers. They simply do not represent with their primitive brains what kind and level of experts are involved for this investigation.
        How each evidence is documented and fixed. What are the examinations.
        Obviously, in their view, the best defense is jokes in the style of Petrosyan.
        1. 0
          25 May 2018 04: 34
          yes this level in general the whole world sees Yes
          issued the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation instrument control on the eve of their report which shows that there was no SAM in the east of the MH-17, and these Dutch stupids had their own report which contradicts these data was too lazy to change in two days
  46. +3
    24 May 2018 16: 39
    Threat about the satellite Amerovsky all ignored, but in vain, it the main evidence of the participation of amers in operations, in the service (a long time ago under the USSR), we often sorted out such operations, and we had to follow some .... It was always obligatory to have either a satellite or a reconnaissance aircraft for fixing and coordinating actions, for example, flying a Korean Boeing in parallel with TR -1 and according to the signals I recorded the actions of our air defense, I can recall several more similar cases .....
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      1. +2
        24 May 2018 18: 19
        So explain what the satellite was doing there, but this is my statement, you can check out a bunch of satellites above your head to go out at night and count ..... Once again, review the 1st MO conference there it was said what kind of satellite and time, PS for your information, all of these satellites and their orbits are viewed from both sides .....
      2. 0
        24 May 2018 19: 07
        is it true what is absurd in her? fool
  47. 0
    24 May 2018 16: 45
    Prosecutor in the Netherlands: Boeing was shot from the Kursk "Buk"

    I read the comments under this "stunning news"! Why no one wonders if there was a boy?
    After all, there was no crash of a Boeing 777 over Donbas! This is all fake guys! You are bred as suckers, and you are being fooled!
    The so-called crash of flight MH-17 is a balmy statement! They threw airborne trash from the transport board (s) with traces of cutting, stale undressed corpses, canceled passports, some things without baggage tags, etc. Even passenger seats did not bother to throw off, and they should be st. hundreds! Almost a quarter of what was supposed to remain from a real liner, etc. etc.
    1. +3
      24 May 2018 17: 08
      This is all a fairy tale - the plane took off, the plane did not return to Indonesia. Continue to better believe that the earth is flat, there will be more sense.
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  48. +3
    24 May 2018 16: 51
    the commission came based on an analysis of data from social networks and the Internet -

    Yes ... In the movie "Running Man" the authorities did not act so clumsy - and not so brazenly!
    1. +1
      24 May 2018 16: 55
      But in Russia they do not start criminal cases according to data from social networks? Wrong comment, repost or picture and you are in court
      1. +2
        24 May 2018 19: 09
        Well, you know somehow pichalka - pedophilia on the network is prohibited Yes
        1. 0
          24 May 2018 20: 52
          A picture of Putin in makeup or a picture of a rooster with a man’s head. To you in the federal register of extremist materials
          1. 0
            25 May 2018 04: 36
            no, this is for you there
      2. 0
        25 May 2018 21: 24
        Quote: Mimoprohodil
        But in Russia they do not start criminal cases according to data from social networks?

        business - start up. But as a testimony ...
  49. +4
    24 May 2018 17: 01
    Good afternoon. The prosecutor's office showed a video with “evidence”. Sorry for the Dutch video.
    https://www.nu.nl/236985/video/raketinstallatie-d
    ie-mh17-neerhaalde-heeft-unieke-vingerafdruk.html


    But, the bottom line is that Buk came from the 53rd Air Defense Brigade near Kursk. For all the videos from VK, they collected evidence and compared it with Google Streets :).

    All installations have the first number 2 as proof that they are all from one convoy of the second battalion and only one in the convoy has 3 in the side number (this is the same Buk).

    The same Buk is allegedly imprinted on a Volvo tractor trailer.

    And then they compare the unique "prints" on this beech. They compared with all the beeches in Ukraine and Russia (like Karl?). But it coincides only with the fact that from Kursk
    1. +2
      24 May 2018 17: 46
      Quote: ArtVass
      But it coincides only with the fact that from Kursk

      Photos, good, but these are photos. And they talk about coincidences only on the basis of pictures. But what about the nature of damage to the cab? And with the statement (with the full-scale experiment) of the Anteyevites, that this is possible only when launched from Ukraine and with missiles that were available only in the Armed Forces? The laws of physics do not apply?
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        1. +2
          24 May 2018 22: 44
          Quote: Vagabond
          The laws of physics and the norms of logic do not apply to the specialists of Almaz Antey.

          Especially when they are told that their arguments are not accepted, because evidence has been collected "and so enough." Why do not they refute with figures and facts? Who better knows the characteristics of the weapons-constructor or engaged investigators?
    2. +1
      24 May 2018 19: 11
      what kind of prints on the beech? But in Google you can’t customize custom information?
      fingerprints of the Su-25 gun on a Boeing are not in doubt
      1. 0
        24 May 2018 20: 07
        Dutch experts call dents, paint and a second skating rink from the right of the beech, so to speak, its distinctive features.

        1. +1
          24 May 2018 20: 17
          Dutch "experts" know in general that it is customary to get rid of weapons after a loud ordering? well, or at least repaint? lol and where did they find such a resolution with dents and could it not all be with photojack rollers or a design feature?
          but the prints of the Su-25 gun are by no means
          even if some same or similar beech didn’t go by the fact that he was shooting, the more the declared launch site was not found at Snezhny, about which the Russian BBS service deleted its report Yes but in google cache he stayed
          and the fingerprints of the Su-25 gun cannot be removed from fragments of MH17
        2. +1
          24 May 2018 23: 29
          and why are these two drawn pictures? this is not a photo at all
    3. +3
      25 May 2018 02: 26
      convoy of the second battalion? But can this be translated into Russian?
      1. +2
        25 May 2018 04: 39
        various sectarians always have difficulties with this
  50. +3
    24 May 2018 17: 01
    When will everyone begin to ask the main question: who needed this? That's all !
    1. +4
      24 May 2018 17: 03
      Taki agrees, the only one who needed it was the Americans ...
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      1. +1
        24 May 2018 20: 01
        that is, again, it’s silly to miss that Buk on a civilian airliner will not let you just shoot like that?
        this is because of his defendant, even MANPADS does not allow
        1. 0
          25 May 2018 01: 25
          Quote: YELLOWSTONE
          that is, again, it’s silly to miss that Buk on a civilian airliner will not let you just shoot like that?
          this is because of his defendant, even MANPADS does not allow

          Listen to you. When necessary, all fuses are removed. Do not pretend to be a naive simpleton.
          1. +1
            25 May 2018 04: 48
            it takes time and the boss
            don’t pretend that again you didn’t understand that due to the presence of such a fuse, an error with the firing of an international civilian plane is excluded even at MANPADS
            The Buk incidentally, by the way, unlike Srelkov’s bloggers, determines the type of aircraft by the signal reflected from the target, in the sense of the An-26 it’s in front of it or a Boeing 777, Yes it would seem again what to do with it? laughing
            1. 0
              25 May 2018 10: 56
              So they found both time and the boss
              1. 0
                25 May 2018 15: 46
                and what is the boss?
                then they wouldn’t have beguiled with the An-26, how to be with it? laughing

                and if so, where is the inversion trace, the launch site (BBS removed its report that it just fell grass) and where is the data on the flight of the rocket from the Ukrainian airborne radar, like those that Russia showed at its briefings?

                but there is information about the Su-25, and the damage inflicted coincides, Yes
                the pilot is no longer there, the dispatcher is gone and the MH17 is similar to the Russian presidential
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  51. +4
    24 May 2018 17: 08
    Quote: dgonni
    There was no war zone! For there were like a militia and they dug up machine guns in the mines wink . Well, what about Buk? He sprouted from dampness. It’s just that some morons didn’t have to post what they don’t post on social networks. And so we burned to the fullest!

    Эти посты все как один из укропии, так что это вы спалились.
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      1. +1
        24 May 2018 19: 12
        что, есть пара штук не оттуда?
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        24 May 2018 19: 14
        а цену кто определял? взаимоисключающее это только для интеллектуально неразвитых
        в 2016 было "рядом к востоку"
      2. -1
        25 May 2018 14: 28
        Причём сказано это было на официальном брифинге, с приведением искусно подобранных коллажей радарных данных, которые бы эту версию подтверждали. Правда, полный трек полёта этого су-25 с взлёта до посадки был бы намного убедительнее, но в том то и дело, что не было никакого "второго самолёта там", только отделившийся от фюзеляжа кокпит боинга, летевший далее по своей траектории и упавший в стороне от основного поля обломков.
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          25 May 2018 15: 54
          какой полет фантазии вместе с кокпитом... погугли что такое радиосигнатура Yes
          почему бы украине не предоставить данные по радарной обстановке за этот день? они кстати когда пишутся то защищаюся от изменения negative
  53. +2
    24 May 2018 18: 11
    Quote: Vagabond
    И над каждым участком Земли размером 100 км х 100 км в любую секунду находится тот или иной американский спутник.

    Господи какой наивняк, можете не продолжать и так смешно.....Не буду говорить что когда-то следили за этими спутниками, просто посмотрите в небо сколько спутников ночью пролетит над вашей головой за одну сек, наивный вы наш...... laughing
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    1. 0
      25 May 2018 01: 34
      Граждане судьи знают меньше чем граждане инженеры но гражданам инженерам нельзя.....
      1. 0
        25 May 2018 05: 08
        а граждане судьи знают вообще что ЗРК Бук сам по отраженному сигналу может тип цели определить? поэтому в случае с ним не было бы никакой путаницы с типом самолета, как и с его принадлежностью. Yes
        а то что турбовинтовая цель (Ан-26) или реактивная (Боинг-777) различали еще РЛС времен Второй мировой? и что вообще неплохо бы сравнить потолок Ан-26 и Б-шки, причем пока как с Су-25 его не поправили lol
    2. -1
      25 May 2018 14: 32
      Инженеры Антея пошли на прямой подлог, развернув ракету якобы для компенсации встречных скоростей, а потом сделав вывод на характере проекций повреждений силовых конструкций фюзеляжа макета. Только они "забыли", что сами довернули ракету и этим изменили угол, код которым поражающие элементы ракеты входили в эти конструкции. Опа многоходовочка! А что вы ещё ожидали от ГУПа в стране, где даже на выборах бюджетникам приказывают за кого и как голосовать.
      1. 0
        25 May 2018 15: 58
        это все с Антеем слишком сложно для тебя, и лишнее
        https://youtu.be/t9baDcwVgVc?t=861
  55. +4
    24 May 2018 19: 09
    Некоторые господа верят, что если нечто доказывать зеркалу, то это станет явью - материализуется. Не поможет. Проверял.
    У меня с самого начала сложилось впечатление, что с нашей стороны темой MH 17 занялись имбицилы.
    Первым нарисовался Коротченко. Обалденная версия! Хунта проводила учения ПВО в зоне боевых действий.
    Через день это забыли.
    Украинский штурмовик. Все авиа. эксперты рыдали над этой версией.
    Но некие "эксперты" продолжали что то бубнить, когда из Боинга извлекли поражающие элементы.
    Хотя, что долго говорить. Уровень умственной деградации продемонстрировала история со "снимками" Леонтьева.
    Каждый понимает. Нельзя завалить в студию 1 Канала - ну ка, эфир мне, говорить буду!
    Какие то недоразвитые клеили эти снимки, манагеры изучали и утверждали доклад Леонтьева. Выпустили этого в эфир - весь мир ржёт.
    Квинтэссенция нашей элитки.
    Кстати. "Испанского диспетчера" недавно поймали в Румынии. Обычный мошенник. Пусть Леонтьев на суд тащит. Это последний шанс.
    1. +1
      24 May 2018 19: 16
      Вот лень кидать помидоры , но по всем пунктам лажа, кроме последнего, чего не знаю того не знаю.....Исходя из того что у любого следствия могут быть много версий , что то подтверждается а что-то нет....А маразм как раз в Голландцах, иметь одну версию и притягивать за уши под неё факты.....
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        24 May 2018 20: 03
        пусть тогда выдадут его России Yes
      2. 0
        24 May 2018 20: 32
        Дорогой, ещё ни кто не поймал меня на лжи или недостоверности представленных фактов.
        Что - лажа? Конкретно по пунктам?
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          24 May 2018 20: 51
          Дорогуша возьмем первый пункт и спутниковые снимки с космоса район Зарощенское, первый день дислокация буков второй день там их нет, зы я постоянно смотрел украинское ТВ в то время, благо языком свободно владею, таки учения там были был такой репортаж, даже Порошенко там засветился.....Так что насчет учений не было ваша лажа, недостоверный факт,и не говорите что я вас не поймал.....
          1. +1
            24 May 2018 21: 14
            Дорогуша, я ещё раз повторяю: ещё ни кто не поймал меня на лжи или недостоверности представленных фактов.
            Вы упорно демонстрируете свою глупость:
            https://ru.bellingcat.com/novosti/russia/2018/01/
            29/mh17-versions/
            "Незадолго до гибели MH17 украинская самоходная огневая установка «Бук» была выведена с базы в районе поселка Спартак под Донецком и передислоцирована в поле к югу от села Зарощенское, где она, еще одна СОУ «Бук» и еще одна единица военной техники были размещены 17 июля 2014 года[представленные Минобороны спутниковые снимки были подробно разоблачены. Сначала команда Bellingcat приобрела спутниковый снимок, сделанный практически в то же время, что указано на снимке МО РФ, и обнаружила серьезные отличия между снимками; затем доктор Джеффри Льюис и его команда в Институте международных исследований Миддлбери с помощью продвинутого инструмента цифрового анализа убедительно доказали, что российские спутниковые снимки подверглись значительному цифровому монтажу]"
            И что то про те "спутниковые снимки" Власти больше и не вспоминают, как и про "снимки" Леонтьева. Разве что, некоторые на форумах, у кого медленный интернет.
            1. +4
              24 May 2018 21: 30
              Дорогуша я сам смотрел репортаж с учений по украинскому ТВ засунь свой беллингкэт в одно место, они ничем не лучше "белых касок" Опять соврали Конашенков сказал на брифинге в сентябре 16го, что ждут от украинцев информацию об местонахождении Буков и полетах самолетов в этот день, в конце прессухи пересмотрите внимательно....
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        25 May 2018 08: 11
        кстати поймали этого диспетчера на каком основании? и чего бы не притащить в суд диспетчера правосечку?
        помидоры какие то не свежие
  56. +3
    24 May 2018 19: 11
    По Боингу стреляли из курского "Бука"

    Формулировка в этом вопросе очень важна ! Что бывает американский или японский ЗРК Бук ,может производства Малайзии ?
    Там еще один интересный факт в материале есть,про отпечатки пальцев.И я выяснил очень интересную вещь,голландцы походу хорошо " дунули" и научились отличать отпечатки пальцев по национальному принципу!
    In how
  57. +2
    24 May 2018 19: 25
    "Прокурор Вестербеке заявил, что..." И подумал: "Скажи я правду, завтра я подскользнусь на мосту и утону в канале...".
  58. +3
    24 May 2018 19: 31
    Я удивляюсь, почему ещё не одна комиссия по расследованию всех нашумевших фактов не признала Россию виновной в том, что Ева съела райское яблоко?
    1. 0
      25 May 2018 05: 11
      а где написано что она его сьела целиком? wink
  59. 0
    24 May 2018 19: 50
    Ну а чо, к ЧМ по футболу-2018 можно и поднять тухлую .


    "По тому, что осталось от ракеты, невозможно уже установить ее принадлежность. Но надо понимать, что такие комплексы стоят на вооружении Украины, они старые, ракеты для них производились еще в Советском Союзе. После распада Союза какая-то часть вооружений, в том числе из разных советских частей, осталась на Украине. Поэтому достоверно здесь установить было просто невозможно. Скорее, это похоже на провокацию", — заявил Басурин.
    1. -1
      25 May 2018 14: 45
      у каждой ракеты есть серийный номер. По нему можно отследить весь путь от изготовителя до конкретной в/ч. Да любой пистолет грошовый так можно отследить, что уж говорить о боеприпасе ЗРК средней зоны стоимостью миллионы рублей?
      1. 0
        25 May 2018 16: 01
        да, их на полигонах много валяется после учений, и тогда были у ВСУ тоже прямо в зоне боев
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    1. -1
      25 May 2018 14: 47
      Шапка на воре так сильно горит, что не осталось ничего, кроме отрицания и обвинения всех во лжи.
      1. 0
        25 May 2018 16: 03
        кроме как снимать мультяшки и упорото уже что-то начинать требовать Yes вместо того чтобы раскрыть данные по радарной обстановке самим, как это еще 4 года назад сделала Россия laughing
  61. +4
    24 May 2018 21: 02
    Quote: yaros
    единственное кому это надо было это американцы...

    Have you forgotten anyone?
    Leaving the USSR in 1991, Ukraine had an economy equal to the economy of Germany !!! -Zero external debt! -52 million highly educated population !? -Shipbuilding! -Aircraft! -Rocket Engineering! - Instrument engineering! - Machine tool industry! - The most powerful science! - The Black Sea Shipping Company is the largest shipping company in the world at that time! - Fishing fleet under 200 pennants! - An army with powerful aviation! - The Black Sea Fleet is divided 50/50 (compare with the Russian half!) - There were heroes: Kozhedub, Kovpak, Rokossovsky, Glinka, Sereda, Kuznetsov, Vatutin ...! After 23 years of independence, they received: - 32 million zombied by the hatred of Russia! - External debt is the second in the world after the USA! - The first place in the world in child alcoholism and prostitution! - The loss of three regions forever! - Loss of 10 million population! And only in the last year of the so-called "revolution": - Civil war! - Unemployment! - The general impoverishment of the population! - 270% inflation! - 300% devaluation! - There is no army! - There is no statehood! - The prosperity of Bandera fascism! - The oligarchs have not gone anywhere and have become even more enriched! - More than 120 killed in three years! “Hundreds of cripples at crossroads asking for alms!” - Emigration for the year increased by 000%! President of Ukraine - a drunk with an outstretched hand dangles around the world, and his fortune has grown 60 times!
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      25 May 2018 12: 07
      Quote: 123456789
      - Внешний долг второй в мире после США!

      Господи, что же Вы несете...
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  63. +3
    24 May 2018 21: 20
    Quote: 123456789
    Leaving the USSR in 1991, Ukraine had an economy equal to the economy of Germany !!! -Zero external debt! -52 million highly educated population !? -Shipbuilding! -Aircraft! -Rocket Engineering! - Instrument engineering! - Machine tool industry! - The most powerful science! - The Black Sea Shipping Company is the largest shipping company in the world at that time! - Fishing fleet under 200 pennants! - An army with powerful aviation! - The Black Sea Fleet is divided 50/50 (compare with the Russian half!) - There were heroes: Kozhedub, Kovpak, Rokossovsky, Glinka, Sereda, Kuznetsov, Vatutin ...! After 23 years of independence, they received: - 32 million zombied by the hatred of Russia! - External debt is the second in the world after the USA! - The first place in the world in child alcoholism and prostitution! - The loss of three regions forever! - Loss of 10 million population! And only in the last year of the so-called "revolution": - Civil war! - Unemployment! - The general impoverishment of the population! - 270% inflation! - 300% devaluation! - There is no army! - There is no statehood! - The prosperity of Bandera fascism! - The oligarchs have not gone anywhere and have become even more enriched! - More than 120 killed in three years! “Hundreds of cripples at crossroads asking for alms!” - Emigration for the year increased by 000%! President of Ukraine - a drunk with an outstretched hand dangles around the world, and his fortune has grown 60 times!

    And Russophobia has become state policy.
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation noted that they gave the Dutch commission an exhaustive package of evidence of the involvement of the Ukrainian military in the war crimes in the Bukov settlement in the village of Zaroshchenskoye.
  64. +2
    24 May 2018 21: 51
    На фоне Скрипалей и Сирии ничего другого ожидать не приходится! хватит обороняться, пора переходить в наступление!
  65. 0
    25 May 2018 06: 23
    А есть статья какая-нибудь типа "за преднамеренное искажение итогов следствия с корыстными целями"? Ну чтоб как у нас прокуроров с судьями сажать можно было?
  66. +2
    25 May 2018 06: 25
    Ну если это мы , то ЦЕЛЬ то у нас какая была? Грохнуть малазийцев что ли по причине патологической склонности к людоедству? Идиотизм...
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  68. 0
    25 May 2018 08: 02
    Ссылка в предыдущем посте не вставляется полностью, нужно обе части объединить в одну.
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      25 May 2018 12: 14
      Вы бы хоть с малайского перевели, хоть там ничего нового и нет - опять жидомасонский заговор - но все же имейте уважение к участникам беседы.
      1. 0
        26 May 2018 02: 08
        странно и на малайском пишут то же самое? winked а за что тот его коммент удалили? он же был на русском
  69. -1
    25 May 2018 14: 12
    Quote: AID.S

    Witnesses, Karl, in addition, the records can be faked, but the examination can no longer be done.

    СИРЬОЗНА? Данные в серверной аэропорта (режимный обьект) можно подделать, а соврать/забыть/ошибиться диспетчер не может?
    1. 0
      26 May 2018 02: 10
      данные подделать уйдут минимум года, кстати что-то долго их украина и западные страны не раскрывают ... Yes

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