Donbass Interchange: Preparing for an Attack on Donbass at the height of the World Cup 2018

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At a galloping pace in recent days, another round of escalation of active hostilities in the Donbass theater of operations is gaining momentum. And the mere fact that the harassing fire on the advanced fortified areas of the first line of defense of the 1st AK of the people's militia of the DPR, which quickly turned into a phase of long-term artillery preparation in all areas of Gorlovka, began literally the next day after the "corona" reconnaissance flight of the strategic drone RQ-4B "Global Hawk" over the Donbass and the Kharkiv region on May 13, indicates one thing: it is unlikely that it will be possible to stop the problem with the help of the Minsk-2, which has lost any military and political significance. After all, it is absolutely no coincidence that for the first time since the beginning of a large-scale conflict in the Donbass, the operators of the Global Hawk, equipped with a SYERS-2C television-optical module and an MP-RTIP ground-scanning radar, were instructed to pay close attention to the locations of the most powerful 3rd motorized rifle division, as well as 1st tank brigades of the 20th Guards Combined Arms of the Red Banner Army, which are located mainly in the Voronezh region (Boguchar).



Apparently, our overseas “friends” were very interested in the current location of the equipment of the above tactical formations of the Russian ground forces in order to determine the possibility of providing immediate military support to the armies of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, and then transferring the final data to the hastily put together headquarters of the so-called “Joint Forces Operation” . And, as we were able to verify already on the night of May 14, information about the ground tactical situation in the area of ​​​​the Russian-Ukrainian border, received by the long-focus optical module SYERS-2C and the above-mentioned side-looking radar drone RQ-4A, quite favored the start of the next bloody scenario against the civilian population and the defenders of Donbass.

Thus, during the very first 14 artillery strikes in May, the 15 / 1 private house on Polosukhin Street was almost completely destroyed, where a young family was laid down with supporting structures. Fortunately, in this case there were no casualties. Later, the intensity of shelling from cannon artillery increased many times, and already on May 16, a young woman Voronchenko Elena 152 was killed as a result of breaking the 1983-mm artillery shell in the Golma region. 12-year-old daughter remained an orphan. The guy next to him was torn off.

Against the background of such a neglected situation, no appeals of the Ukrainian side to common sense through the OSCE do not give a tangible result. It is for this reason that the DPR Defense Ministry has decided to return to the old and proven tactics of keeping the counter battery fire at suppressing the active positions of the aggressor by the artillery batteries of the 1 th Army Corps NM DPR.

Indeed, the return of this practice of “artillery duels” to the new stage of confrontation in the Donbas, where the republican armies again give a decent “response” to the firing points of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, often helps, albeit temporarily, but to besiege the frantic command of the operational-tactical group (OTG) “North ”, Which receives orders from the EP commander S. Naev and his deputy, Major-General Valery Zaluzhny. Thus, the local residents of the Komsomolsk district of Gorlovka and the specialists from the Central Committee for Prevention and Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the DPR found that all areas of the region that came under 18 shelling in May are studded with nail-like striking elements. It is with such methods that the head of the headquarters of the OTG “North” V. Mikhno and the 24-I separate mechanized brigade under Dzerzhinsk, controlled by him, are trying to convey to the citizens of Gorlovka the main and cynical “message” of the war criminal Sergey Naev “about the need for the inevitable release of Donbass”, which was made on Monday 21 May. And at this moment it is just the time to shift from consideration of the military-political situation in the Donbas as a whole to the operational and tactical details of the most intense day clashes in particular, which fell on the night, morning and afternoon hours of May 21.

We are talking about attempts to infantry and tank units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to break through the first line of defense of the 1 Army DPR corps in the areas of the Golmovsky settlement (in the northern suburbs of Gorlovka), as well as the Yuzhnaya (Dzerzhinsk) and Chygirey mines, respectively. In the first case, under cover of night, in the area between Zaitsevo and the Uglegorsk reservoir, the profits of the 2 platoon (more than 60 people) of the 24 of the separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Closer to the morning after a short-term deployment into the offensive order and distribution of forces, Ukrainian formations under cover of fire 30-mm 2А42 cannons, placed on BMP-2, and 12,7-mm machine guns, as well as firing support of mortar batteries, attempted assault on DR-gun stations parties Gladosovo and Travnevy. On the nearby approaches of Holmovsky, enemy formations were discovered and a close battle ensued, during which the 24 Brigade lost 5 militants killed and 4 wounded.

That was enough for retreat. Unfortunately, it was not without troubles: three servicemen of the DPR army were taken prisoner. Closer to the morning, the directions of Dzerzhinsk (mine “Yuzhnaya”) and Chigirey became more active. The armored units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as the formation of the Donbass battalion, began work at these sites. To repel the onslaught of the Ukrainian army by the 1 Army Corps NM DPR anti-tankists and gunners were recruited, which resulted in the destruction of several units of armored vehicles and the suppression of opornikov near Dzerzhinsk. What conclusion can be made on the basis of these battles, as well as based on the geographical features of the north-western front of Novorossia in its existing borders?

The axiom of the highest tactical advantages of agglomerations in terms of the formation of “impenetrable” fortified areas and strong points capable of reflecting the mass of the enemy’s most difficult offensive moves was finally confirmed. In our present case, this is the Gorlovsko-Yenakiyevskaya agglomeration, which covers the DPR from the onset of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the side of Svetlodarsk and Dzerzhinsk. It is worth mentioning that literally several months earlier, a well-known Donetsk journalist and blogger Marina Kharkov turned in RuNet and communities from the Donetsk People's Republic (on social networks) that still hype by its statement that almost the entire northern front in the literal sense of the word is bare in front of the enemy . Igor Ivanovich Strelkov expressed a similar pessimistic opinion in his recent analytical note. A few weeks earlier, a high-ranking political figure, military analyst and ex-commander of the “early” Armed Forces of the DPR, with all his knowledge of the tactical situation in Novorossia, noted that the Ukrainian militants would not stop at the seizure of Chygyry and could start occupation in the near future Gorlovka and Enakievo, as well as offensive actions on the Groove (LC), Debaltseve and Yasinovataya. In practice, the opposite was confirmed: fortified areas within large urban agglomerations have exceptional combat stability.

But is this enough for a radical change in the tactical situation within the entire northwestern front of the DPR? Naturally not. The tactical and geographical features of this area indicate only that such “artillery duels” and probing by APV platoons of the strongholds of the first line of defense of the people's militia of the DPR will continue indefinitely, which we have been observing for more than three years. The population of Lugansk, Gorlovka and Yenakiyevo, as well as Donetsk and Makeevka, will be in constant danger of dying from more and more new artillery strikes until the Ukrainian receiver and rocket artillery batteries are pushed back to the western approaches to the cities of Ugledar, Krasnoarmeisk, Druzhkovka , as well as Lisichansk, Severodonetsk and Novoidar. These milestones are located in 40 — 55 km of the main urban agglomerations; consequently, the 2 – 1 “Gvozdika” ACS, 2 – 3 “Acacia”, the towed Hyacinth-B cannons, and in some cases the ACS “Pion” will be deprived of the opportunity to bombard the worlds without weapons. . But it is easy to say ...


Towed gun "Hyacinth-B" APU under Mariupol


To implement the above, you must immediately crack the 2 conventional defense lines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In relation to the Gorlovka and Donetsk operational directions, the second line of defense includes the cities of Ugledar, Krasnoarmeysk, Druzhkovka and Artyomovsk, the first line of defense includes the settlements Novomikhaylovka, Krasnogorovka, Avdiivka, Dzerzhinsk, and Svetlodarsk. On the Gorlovsky direction, there is also a third line - Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, where the headquarters of the so-called "Combined Forces Operation" is located. Conclusion: the local offensive operation of the 1-th AK AK DNR with stripping from the Ukrainian formations of Ivanpol, Kurdyumovka and Svetlodarsk will not solve the problem. A large-scale counter-offensive in the western and northern directions is needed. But is Moscow’s political will enough for such a move? It is possible, but the tendency observed today evokes extremely vague thoughts.

In particular, all that we heard at the time of the beginning of the shelling of Gorlovka was the statement of the plenipotentiary representative of Russia in the Trilateral Contact Group within the Minsk-2, Boris Vyacheslavovich Gryzlov, that “the shelling in the Donbass was almost stopped ”, And the time has come to“ consider the political part of the Minsk format. ” One would have thought that this was another cunning military-political move with the aim of provoking Ukrainian militants to bolder and more daring actions. This is what happened on 21 May. And what has changed? The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia is silent: no condemnation of Kiev for shelling Gorlovka with artillery shells with shrapnel that killed civilians has not followed. No, we are not talking about any "drain" of the Donbass in the hands of the Kiev regime; worthy "buns" for their own protection army corps NM LDNR, of course, received and will continue to receive from the fraternal state, especially after the supply of the Ukrainian army 210 US anti-tank missiles FGM-148 "Javelin".

We point out the remaining military-political and diplomatic “softness” in condemning the actions of Kiev, as well as the lack of a go-ahead for the LDNR defense ministries to attack the Ukrainian forces, whose artillery methodically turns Gorlovka, Donetsk into ruins. How many more lives must carry out the criminal actions of Poroshenko and Naev in order for Moscow to act asymmetrically, straightforwardly and fairly, without paying attention to the Minsk format losing to the bone? Even now it is not so easy to answer this question, considering that extremely unpleasant topics for us again about the resumption of work in the “Norman format”, as well as about putting the peacekeeping contingent on the whole territory of Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, are wandering in the media space.

While our side continues to take very uncertain and erroneous steps towards the indefinite and dangerous for the republics arrival in the region of pro-Western oriented peacekeeping formations, the bunch “White House - Kiev regime” is very firm. Firstly, this is the recent arrival in Kramatorsk of the US State Department Special Representative for Ukraine Kurt Volcker, who, in addition to meeting with the OES "curator", made a very provocative statement in which he declared "the need to withdraw from the Donbass Russian military contingent", who and is not nearly present, in contrast to the NATO specialists from the Ukrainian side, and also declared its readiness to visit the central cities immediately after stripping from the "pro-Russian formations." It was after the reconnaissance flight of “Yastreb” and the visit of Kramatorsk to Kurt Walker on 14 in May 2018, that a new round of aggravation began.

Secondly, it is the tactics of “tightening the loop” around Donetsk, promulgated by 22 in May, by a senior officer of the environment protection policy. In accordance with the opinion voiced in the mountain headquarters, the vicinity of Gorlovka is considered by the Ukrainian formations, including the 24 Brigade, as the most advantageous positions for firing from small weapons and artillery directly through the city, through which units of the DPR army are being deployed. All districts of Gorlovka fall into the line of sight due to the presence in its vicinity of several heights, including the one located near the village of Yuzhny.

An extremely important detail of the statement of an anonymous officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the headquarters of the so-called "EP" was the "crown" reservation according to Freud, for which it would have long since been worth working with "Gauges" on all the firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas theater. So, according to the Ukrainian resource strana.ua, this slave “face” without a twinge of conscience asserts that “the whole city of Gorlovka is easily swept from these positions.” How do you like that?

In fact, the war criminals from the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine already openly discard all obligations undertaken in the framework of the Minsk-2, talking about the possibilities of shelling the peaceful neighborhoods of Gorlovka. But after all, there is no alternative to the “Minsk format”, we hear constantly on radio and television. The situation just comes to the point of absurdity. As for the occupation of the heights adjacent to Gorlovka by the forces of the 24 Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is absolutely no point in worrying too much about this: almost for the 4 year of conflict, these dominant positions of the 1 of the AK NM DPR are equipped with a tactically-designed network of engineering structures, including dugouts, trench networks, etc. Moreover, these heights can be covered by heavy machine gun and artillery fire from the urban agglomeration in the event of even more intense collisions. It should be noted that, unlike the remote opornik in Lozovoi, Nizhny Lozovoi and Logvinovo (on Debaltsevskiy OH), the delivery of ammunition and reinforcement to the heights near Gorlovka can be made several times faster, which determines their excellent stability during intense battles.

Consoles in this scenario, and confirmed information that the leadership of the DPR in the person of the head Alexander Zakharchenko issued an order for a counter-battery "otvetku" on the firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as for the destruction of the advanced from Dzerzhinsk and n. Southern armored vehicles. The process of suppressing the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was shown in a video posted in the community “Reports from the militia of Novorossia”, as well as on YouTube. If you believe the words of the Deputy Commander of the Armed Forces of the DPR, Eduard Basurin, now retaliatory attacks on shelling from the Armed Forces of Ukraine will enter into the practice of 1 of AK NM DNR, as before, and on all parts of the contact line without exception. If you look at the situation around Gorlovka as a whole, it becomes clear that due to the apparent impossibility of capturing the dominant heights in this direction by the forces of the Ukrainian army, the Poroshenko regime and the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces try to simply maintain the maximum degree of tension in this direction, which is done both with the aim of distracting of the population of Ukraine from the upcoming summer growth of prices for natural gas and electricity, as well as for an attempt at self-promotion and an increase in ratings among the anti-Russian circles of the “independent” population before the upcoming election campaign molecular campaign.

However, over the past two weeks, we were finally able to make sure that Washington and Kiev absolutely do not plan to waste time, and while Moscow and European “colleagues” agree on the date and venue of the next meeting of the “Normandy Four”, the Armed Forces of Ukraine not only conduct regular Gorlovka’s shelling and distraction attacks on Holmovsky, but also preparing southern assault “kulaks” for conducting not false shots, but a real large-scale offensive operation in the Telman and Novoazovsk areas . It is on these operational areas that we are at risk of getting an extremely painful goal into the Donbas Gate. What is this about?

Not all Russian mass media paid attention to the tactically important event that occurred on 17 on May 2018 of the year in the southern section of the contact line between the settlements of Bogdanovka and Viktorovka, which is located in the “Telman’s Isthmus”. This is not surprising, because at first glance a minor incident coincided with the most intense round of battles near Gorlovka. Here, the units of the 93-th separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out an 2,5-kilometer advance from the forward positions east of Bogdanovka in the direction of the fortified district of the people's militia of the DPR in the settlement of Petrovskoe, bypassing the village of Viktorovka from its southern outskirts. As a result of the implementation of the tactics of the so-called “toad jumps” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the distance between the units of the DPR army and the Ukrainian formations was reduced to 900 and 1800 m, respectively.

In the 93 nearest to the Petrovsky forest belt, the brigade quickly deployed a couple or more of the BMP-2, 2 positions of AGS-17 / KBA-119, 2 positions of company or heavy machine guns, as well as 5 trench positions. The positions of MTLB, BMP-2, and mortar calculations are located in the 2 km southeast. Consequently, the “tactical loop” around the far from the best in terms of defense of the “Telman's isthmus” 35 km wide stretched even for 2500 meters, which will allow the main T-64BV battle tanks (and maybe even more advanced gas-turbine T-80BV), which is part of tank battalion 93 th OMBr, noticeably faster to penetrate the far from the best "steppe" first line of defense of the DPR army between the villages of Novolasp, Vasilevka and Starolasp.

Everything will happen under the cover of the 17 put forward by the May to the settlement of Petrovskoye machine-gun crews, mortars and firing positions AGS, which will interfere with the work of the anti-tank platoon DNR operating from the eastern approaches to the line of contact. As it is known, today the 93-I Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine forms the main offensive "backbone" of the wave group. The apparent ultimate goal of such actions is blocking a section of the Starobeshevo-Telmanovo highway in the area of ​​the Razdolnoye and Vasilyevka settlements, which ultimately virtually cuts off the 9-th separate Mariupol-Khingan regiment from the main group of the DNN-1 army corps. When connecting to the confrontation of the 36 Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Azov Regiment from the Mariupol direction, unforeseen circumstances may follow that require the support of the “Republicans” with the “North Wind”.


Tactical situation in the "triangle" "Bogdanovka - Viktorovka - Petrovskoe"


Finally, I would like to note that the “Donbass denouement”, the beginning of which we are seeing today, depends not so much on the period of the World Cup 2018, but on the final agreement on the new date of the meeting in the “Normandy format” that can take place at the end of June 2018: By these deadlines, Washington and the Ukrainian side will try to achieve tangible tactical success in the Donbas theater of operations, for which they must prepare not only in the capitals of the young republics, but also in Moscow.

Information sources:
https://gorlovka.today/news/12587-vsu-dnem-obstrelyali-tsent-goroda-gorlovke
http://rusvesna.su/news/1526887574
https://strana.ua/news/142265-horlovka-novosti-s-chej-ataki-nachalos-obostrenie-v-horlovke.html
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  1. +7
    24 May 2018 06: 20
    small clarification. no in Gorlovka "Komsomolsky district", pos. Komsomolets is a central city district
    1. 0
      24 May 2018 07: 06
      Quote: ludoger
      small clarification

      Respected Ludoger (I will not translate into Russian lol ), are you from Horlivka?
      1. +5
        24 May 2018 07: 10
        Yes. from Horlivka.
        1. +6
          24 May 2018 07: 23
          Quote: ludoger
          Yes. from Horlivka.

          We are operating in the northwest direction of Donetsk, and about real, and not from Basurin, the situation you know almost nothing. Besides the fact that it’s not so hot, and that the gain was sent to you.
          How do you feel?
  2. +5
    24 May 2018 07: 22
    The author himself is infected with a bacillus.
    1. +17
      24 May 2018 07: 41
      Quote: Lelik.
      The author himself is infected with a bacillus.

      I invite you to evaluate everything yourself, write, and then we'll see what will yours independent assessment.
      Quote: V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin)
      Matter is an objective reality given to us in sensation ...
      1. +15
        24 May 2018 08: 13
        Sorry to interfere in your dialogue, BUT, before 8.8.8. there were decadent insistencies too, but the subsequent course of events showed the opposite, as a vivid example of howling of various military analysts from various media trash in Moscow - “Russia has nothing to do there, the Georgian army trained by NATO will not leave a chance”, remember, the apotheosis is an incredible blast in the press and US support expressed by warships loaded without jokes, diapers, water in plastic containers, and even insignificant cargoes.
        America has never heard of fighting for the weak, but it also does not fight with the strong, so there’s only one result - the war until the last Russian reformatted into Ukrainian, and taking into account the extremely low motivation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which only suffices for a jackal bite, I don’t think that going in the hot phase (in my opinion) this will last a long time, but most likely after your guys taught them a number of wonderful lessons, and realizing that behind you with his chilling silence Putin, everything will last in a sluggish current phase, Poroshenko and his environment is well understood, to the extent of their mental abilities, the stolen money is needed alive, and serious games with Mars are not their destiny
        1. +12
          24 May 2018 08: 20
          Quote: Scipio African
          before 8.8.8. also had a decadent relationship

          Does this mean the 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX war? What could then be "decadent relations" (you need to understand sentiments ?), if everything developed almost immediately? When did they manage to develop, especially in relation to the Georgian army?

          And here, in fact, where did you see something like that?

          I will say one thing, the situation here in general, and near Gorlovka, is very serious. Forces are against us, colossal are pulled together.
          This is stated in the article.
          1. +6
            24 May 2018 08: 36
            This is lightning fast in our amateurish opinion, otherwise at the beginning of the conflict and further on we wouldn’t see the Tu-22M3 in a theater, the car is more than serious, maybe I’m mistaken and if there are specialists, let them tell you, but it just doesn’t come up on the order of YES, but the result war - destroyed US-established infrastructure in Georgia for war with Iran
            1. +4
              24 May 2018 08: 55
              Quote: Scipio African
              This is lightning fast in our amateurish view

              You rejected the thesis of "decadent relations", and set about the "lightning speed" and the American infrastructure in Georgia ...
              What does this have to do with the topic?

              Let's get back to the article ...
              1. +6
                24 May 2018 10: 09
                Separ DNR (Gray) take care of yourself.
            2. +1
              24 May 2018 23: 48
              In Ossetia, the Tu-22m3, which made reconnaissance, was lost. flight, and even without EW cover. So he was overwhelmed.
              As for the current moment, the feeling that Poroshenko has this time the task of drawing Russia into the conflict on the eve or at the beginning of the 2018 World Cup. In the expectation that Russia will be constrained in its actions. However, it is not clear what will bind her, but it seems they are counting on this very much. Although, there APU is how it goes ... But how in the joke "well, I could not, I could not"
          2. +4
            24 May 2018 14: 35
            Hang on guys, God help you!
  3. +12
    24 May 2018 07: 58
    One gets the impression that LDNR is just a bargaining chip in the political game of Russia and the West .. Officially, Russia makes statements in support of the Donbass, and unofficially conducts carpet games ... But the APU has a tactic to quietly pinch Donbass, so you don’t have time to look around and finish the so-called ATO, and in Russia they will shrug their hands and how it happened ..
    1. +4
      24 May 2018 07: 59
      Quote: parusnik
      in Russia they will shrug and how it happened ..

      1. +9
        24 May 2018 08: 24
        The Echo of Moscow is jealous of both of you, and you don’t need your enemies what
        1. +16
          24 May 2018 08: 34
          Quote: Lelik.
          You "Echo of Moscow" envy you, with such their own and enemies do not need

          And I, dunce, not mine No.
          Once again I repeat, come to us, we will meet, even on the "front" we will take with us.
          To feel like a dog on a leash, which they shoot, but she does not have the opportunity (and the right) to snap back ...

          And they will "fill up" ... Well ... Sorry ... And we will write, somehow ...
          1. +3
            24 May 2018 08: 51
            Well, why so, like a cultured person laughing
            1. +2
              24 May 2018 08: 54
              It seems ... Exactly
            2. +2
              24 May 2018 09: 01
              Quote: Scipio African
              Well, why so, like a cultured person

              It seems ... To measure Yes
        2. +2
          24 May 2018 08: 40
          It’s not in vain that the first prize for alarmists and defeatists was an ax of liquor, a hemp tie, or whip up a banal arrow or a bullet
    2. +6
      24 May 2018 09: 01
      Quote: parusnik
      One gets the impression that LDNR is just a bargaining chip in the political game of Russia and the West ..

      It is so. Yes, and it always has been.
    3. +5
      24 May 2018 09: 09
      Quote: parusnik
      One gets the impression that LDNR is just a bargaining chip in the political game of Russia and the West.

      it's just a bargain between the Russian Federation and the United States. In principle, this situation suits both sides. USA- there is a springboard in the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation- Ukraine is drowning economically and no one takes it anywhere. Here is just one hitch - people shoot and die. But these points are not taken into account in big politics.
      1. +10
        24 May 2018 09: 18
        Quote: Silvestr
        Here is just one hitch - people shoot and die. But these points are not taken into account in big politics.

        But THIS already does not suit us. And the loss of life, and the fact that we are not considered ...
        1. +5
          24 May 2018 10: 41
          Quote: Separ DNR
          And the loss of life, and the fact that we are not considered ...

          Unfortunately, you are right. Very sorry. that rulers are very common
          if not always, forget about ordinary people and remember about him only before the election
        2. +1
          24 May 2018 11: 57
          Tell me, in terms of armament, is everything okay with what to answer? ATGM s are available or other modern weapons ???
          Quote: Separ DNR
          Quote: Silvestr
          Here is just one hitch - people shoot and die. But these points are not taken into account in big politics.

          But THIS already does not suit us. And the loss of life, and the fact that we are not considered ...
          1. 0
            24 May 2018 12: 30
            What is the use of weapons if they start bombing from the air? Genocide.
            1. +1
              24 May 2018 14: 44
              Quote: Stalingradpobeda
              What is the use of weapons if they start bombing from the air?

              I really hope that it does not come to this, and if it does, then the C system will say its word ...
              More than, I have no right to say ...
            2. CYM
              +1
              24 May 2018 18: 46
              IMHO This is just what APU should be afraid of if the "north wind" blows.
          2. +6
            24 May 2018 14: 41
            Quote: Siberia 9444
            Tell me, in terms of armament, is everything okay with what to answer? ATGM s are available or other modern weapons ???

            In the regiment there is a platoon of ATGM. They are even "thrown" to us in the "gain", WITHOUT ATGM ...
            Actually, the "ATGM platoon", it is said loudly ... And I will not say anything about how many people have combat experience in launching ATGMs, or in general launching ...
            1. +3
              24 May 2018 20: 30
              Quote: Separ DNR
              Quote: Siberia 9444
              Tell me, in terms of armament, is everything okay with what to answer? ATGM s are available or other modern weapons ???

              In the regiment there is a platoon of ATGM. They are even "thrown" to us in the "gain", WITHOUT ATGM ...
              Actually, the "ATGM platoon", it is said loudly ... And I will not say anything about how many people have combat experience in launching ATGMs, or in general launching ...

              However. There should be an anti-tank division in the regiment, and anti-tank platoons in battalions. Not much you have there sad
              1. 0
                24 May 2018 22: 15
                Quote: Doliva63
                However. There should be an anti-tank division in the regiment, and anti-tank platoons in battalions. Not much you have there

                I’m sorry, in BATE ... A platoon in a battalion Yes
  4. +7
    24 May 2018 08: 59
    When you see in the text a multiple enumeration of the full, expanded names and TTX of all systems, you immediately understand that this is Damantsev.
    1. +2
      24 May 2018 09: 11
      Quote: Normal ok
      When you see in the text a multiple enumeration of the full, expanded names and TTX of all systems, you immediately understand that this is Damantsev.

      Well ... So ... After all, he writes in detail ...
      With the alignment of forces, and possible for us, from this, the consequences.
  5. +3
    24 May 2018 09: 18
    Medvedev D.A. proved himself worthy of protecting South Ossetia. I respect him for that act.
    1. BAI
      +4
      24 May 2018 09: 39
      proved worthy in defending South Ossetia
      - at the command of Putin. Where and when was the prime minister under the cameras publicly giving instructions to the president what to do? Medvedev did not leave Moscow, and Putin personally hit the road to the Caucasus.
    2. +5
      24 May 2018 11: 22
      Quote: Stalingradpobeda
      Medvedev D.A. proved himself worthy of protecting South Ossetia.

      Could you come up with anything better?
    3. +1
      24 May 2018 14: 41
      Our peacekeepers were attacked there, understand the difference.
      Quote: Stalingradpobeda
      Medvedev D.A. proved himself worthy of protecting South Ossetia. I respect him for that act.
      1. +1
        24 May 2018 14: 53
        Knight Russian (Knight Russian) and in the Donbass Russian killed. Donbass has been in Russia since ancient times.
  6. +2
    24 May 2018 09: 25
    The situation is really serious. I would like to believe that the GDP has enough will, if necessary, to give a command to the "north wind". You can’t leave your own. People will not understand.
    1. +1
      24 May 2018 09: 31
      The United States wants this from Russia so that the war begins. I think the US is the main enemy of Russia. But they are forcing Ukraine.
      1. +6
        24 May 2018 10: 13
        Quote: Stalingradpobeda
        I think the USA are the main enemies of Russia

        This, dear, evidence ... Axiom. Glad you finally understood this. good
        Quote: Stalingradpobeda
        The United States wants Russia to start the war

        Sometimes there is no choice. Or such that, as it were, without a choice. Until 2013, diplomats had to work in Ukraine clearly, firmly and correctly. And now the situation is running ..
    2. +1
      24 May 2018 09: 42
      "North wind"


      and he didn’t blow?
      1. +2
        24 May 2018 10: 10
        Was it a "blow"? So, a commotion ...
        1. +3
          24 May 2018 10: 36
          And what do you need trains of coffins with our guys?
          There, too, there are some military experts, tanks, various artillery, it’s great to sit at the monitor and rant, and what it will be like to eat tomorrow itself, as a rule, people who don’t even have military-military academies make such conversations, soldiers’ bread is heavy, and for the mistakes of politicians and idle talkers they pay with their lives
          1. +5
            24 May 2018 10: 54
            How I like people who can draw conclusions. good And absolutely seriously believing in their innocence.
            In the case: if you do not intervene at the right time, there will be losses among the civilian population on the territory of the Russian Federation. For starters in the border areas. Yes, and the guys defending their right to be Russian, I am sincerely sorry.
            Quote: Scipio African
            levels of coffins with our guys

            Your imagination has broken out ... Are these trains right? Have you seen in a dream?
            Quote: Scipio African
            There are also some military experts, tanks, various artillery,

            This too, only in another dream?
            Quote: Scipio African
            what will it be like to eat tomorrow itself will affect, as a rule, such conversations are bred by people who do not even have a VUS

            Honest, do not say so harshly without knowing the interlocutor. And there is a VUS and the service was. Yes, and 2014-2015 I was not at home sitting on the couch, unlike you. Something like this.
          2. +1
            26 May 2018 06: 54
            Are you waiting for coffins with your guys without trains? Local?
            Donut Basin will show up to you. Who doesn’t want to help us now, then, sitting in the trenches, every flight will be watched off — isn’t it flying to his own hut?
            Or are skis already on ointments?
            1. 0
              31 May 2018 21: 44
              ... "help us" is who? And what does it mean to help? LC I already helped in 2014-15 ... I just don’t know now, but was it necessary? So enough ... Now, let's do it ourselves somehow.
              And if someone comes to us, I won’t ask anyone, I myself will cope with God's help. And you need to see a doctor ... Something your fantasy painfully broke out.
          3. +1
            28 May 2018 04: 06
            And what do you need trains of coffins with our guys?
            Oh, sir, do you know what I’ll tell you? .. Sore. From the very beginning of this war, in the battles in the comments I have often heard the argument from various people who were “against the deployment of troops” (that is, who were on the side of the bureaucracy, and besieged the “all-fight”): “Do you want our the boys were dying there ?! "," Are you ready to send your boys to war ?! " And so, I have lived the fourth year since then. The war continues in the Donbass, which has grown into a bloody tyagomotin. For almost the third year since the beginning of our entry into the Syrian war. Rumors have long been circulating about a certain interest of our state in the situation in Libya. So, recently we sent our specialists even to the distant CAR ... What can I say? What greetings from the future could I send now in those days, days of a mixture of hopes and drama? .. The conclusion, alas, is disappointing: OUR “BOYS” BECAME DIE EVERYTHING EQUAL!!! No, not echelons, of course (I hope - otherwise there are no complete official statistics) ... But DIED anyway - even in this world “we can’t intervene”, “will crush,” limited “northern winds”, false ceasefires, limited contingents in Syria ... Anyway, at the end of the summer, the “northern wind” had to be introduced into the Donbass in the form of several battalion-tactical groups to help the militia. All the same, in the future I had to send “people involved in military matters”, personnel officers of the Russian army (And yes - the locals and their voluntary comrades from the Russian Federation are hiding the “exploits” of those of these “business trip” comrades who behave unworthy - Drinks, boils, cold-blooded about his service, before - who sent people to slaughter. Of course, the same local and their very same voluntary comrades-in-arms from the Russian Federation mention that there are among the "business travelers" and worthy, those who are doing their job ... but, alas, there weren’t so many who sent them to interrupt with their ministry the "brightness" of the acts of the first cohort of "professionals." "- Well, you know, peanut and aqueduct radio stations, not to mention the Azart, which costs hundreds of thousands of rubles, just do not roll around in the Moscow radio store (unlike the Chinese Baofengs) ... And the worst "ours-yours" boys began to die ... somewhere far away from the abscess on our immediate western borders. We sent troops to Syria - and the first losses began. The Turks shot down our plane - and still then they had to put up with them. Then new losses began. And then it became clear that something was wrong with the loss reporting. That is, it is commonplace for the Ministry of Defense to recognize not all losses even among the "official military" (that is, military personnel of the Ministry of Defense, and not the PMC fighters). Moreover, this "game of secrecy" is, firstly, questionable from a legal point of view - for the very law "on classifying losses" seems to apply to fighters participating in special operations, and not to those officially invited by the legal government of another country (or am I confusing something?), secondly, it’s stupid and useless from a practical point of view in our age of electronic media and social networks, and in a country in which the state, which completely influences the discourse in the federal media, can’t, however, to ensure total, "Stalinist", in the spirit of the twentieth century, control over regional and local media ... It looks like this: on the local information portal of a particular town, a note appears that such and such a number at such and such a cemetery will bury a guy, "our fellow countryman" who, it turns out, died while doing his duty in Syria. Then follows a note about the past funeral ... Well, or, it happens, they write that they want to put in such a school / have already put up a memorial tablet with the name of a school graduate who died in Syria. And most importantly - this OFFICIAL serviceman is not always included in the official list of losses! Or take the same story when in Belarus, with military honors, the officer of the Russian Air Force, his fellow countryman and citizen of the Russian Federation who died in Syria were buried - but the Moscow Region did not include him in the official list of losses ... And the losses among the "mercenaries" in general could have been silent. They do not feel sorry for anyone. When a photo of a live “ichtamnet” is posted on social networks, the bravura mood prevails in the comments that “ichtamnet, but they are!”. When they publish the obituary of the next “Wagner’s” - so right away, except for all human “Kingdom of Heaven” and “Rest in peace,” nothing can be done to the traditional for obituaries official military men, they know, they’re added to the war without loss, what was going, "" he’s paid money for it. " crying I’m already silent about the story of the incident near Hisham on February 7 of this year - very many still believe that “there was nothing”, “they didn’t kill any of the mythical” Russian mercenaries, and that these were exclusively slaves of the State Department, ukrov and "vile Girkind" at the same time. What can I say - our propaganda then slurred into the foam to hush up a strange distant incident, which, according to her own statements, "wasn’t!" / "It was. But a little." And this despite the fact that the Foreign Ministry then still recognized "dozens of wounded citizens of the Russian Federation." belay ... Men! Open your eyes already! “Yours” (and OURS!) Boys are already dying in the fields of Cold War 2.0! When the state needs it - it will still dodge to send YOUR boys to the war - and it won’t ask you. And I don’t know how you - and I think that we - have the right to be sure that they will risk at least for a just cause, and for a real result, for the sake of Victory - and not for the sake of a bloody burden, which any inarticulate cannot stop " truce. " And do not worry about the enemies of Russia and the Russians - they started this in the 14th year for nothing else but to KILL the Russians. And Donetsk, and volunteers, and "their team", and "our boys", hidden under a skirt, and you, and me! Both children and the elderly. And they won’t give up - until someone’s “boys” break their spine.
            1. 0
              28 May 2018 04: 39
              Quote: Vvol
              not always an OFFICIAL serviceman is included in the official list of losses

              The lists are secret, no?
              Quote: Vvol
              How many “boys” (peppy guys and already healthy men) have already been put on the field by the proud brand “PMC”

              People have chosen this job. Sami - have chosen.
              Work, yes, is dangerous.
              Quote: Vvol
              or am I confusing something?

              As for me, you generally mixed up everything.
              1. +1
                28 May 2018 06: 30
                People have chosen this job. Sami - have chosen.
                Work, yes, is dangerous.
                Well, which should have been proved:
                When they publish the obituary of the next “Wagner’s” - so right away, except for all human “Kingdom of Heaven” and “Rest in peace,” nothing can be done to the traditional for obituaries official military men, they know, they’re added to the war without loss, what was going, "" he’s paid money for it. "
                True, answer me the following question: whom did the Americans and the Turks (formerly Arab monarchies) use and are using in the war in Syria? Well, besides the official contingents, aviation, special forces, their PMCs? Maybe, like my Wagner PMC and I, we are actively using our own “mercenaries” from PMCs - “whites”, “noble bloods” of people, retirees of our armed forces? Throw them from battle to battle? I believe that “pale-faced mercenaries” (and even “Negroes” from poor African countries, who are second-class personnel in Western PMCs, who trust the most dirty work!), Are not the main “strike force” for deploying in the Middle East trash in the 10s. By no means. The Americans - and their allies among the "oil monarchies" - having deployed the "Arab spring" based on the earlier experience of the "color revolutions", quickly came to the point of betting on the so-called proxy forces. Some of our military experts called it a "cloud enemy", another interesting person, a military journalist Vasily Pavlov called it a "terrorist war" (contrasting it not only with a state’s war against states, but also with a guerrilla warfare). The experience of Iraq made it impossible to use direct occupation. And not the state fought directly. They put forward militants in front of themselves - and remained as if "nothing to do with". This gave rise to a bizarre alliance when “democratic America” suddenly rushed to help the Islamists - well, but to the “oil monarchies” (although, in fact, the UAE certainly already reduced the contribution of its rich oil reserves to GDP to a minimum) and even more so it didn’t so shameful "mess". Who was at hand, and who was ready to fight, and who could afford to get replenishment from all over the world again and again, they were taken. Moreover, neither the technical superiority of the regular army of the official government, nor the low quality of a good part of the incoming replenishment no longer mattered. The main thing is that they were able to organize training bases in the near abroad - and a wave after a wave of mercenaries and "volunteers" with a burning eye went to Syria. This is not an attempt to create a native army of a collaborative government of an occupied country, often with a sad result. Those armies scattered even before the partisans - but the waves of the tramp-irregulars did their job. They occupied the building. Or they raided the desert - Toyota, a depressed auto repair shop and a machine gun bought on the black market to help. They forced the army to fire and bomb buildings. They drove civilians away from their native places, blocked up with this stream of refugees the military, who, instead of going to fight with terrorists, had to deal with the distribution of people. They destroyed civilian infrastructure, being themselves foreigners ... And then, as the war drags on ... the Syrians began to arrive in the ranks of the groups, they themselves began to found their own groups. But the essence remains the same. They were supported because of the "hill". Moreover, interestingly, the “oil monarchies” were pushed back by Turkey from financing of the groupings - and now local militants are moving ahead of the Turkish troops. And the Americans have relied on the Kurds ... Well, how do you like the method? Yes, not very kind. Sneaky, bloody, vile. But it is he - MODERN. A fairy tale - this is how even countries with WMD can be carried! .. And what are we? Of course, we don’t want “our boys” to die in the war. So, they need to be replaced by someone. Officially, of course, we use limited forces, mainly organizing air support - well, and the valiant Syrian army is advancing on earth. But just why then we still use the Wagner PMC there - an informal mercenary structure that is recruiting people in the Russian Federation, well, in the republics of Donbass? Maybe, nevertheless, one of the oligarchs wants to cash in on this war? So why then the state allows him / them and his / their private armies this disgrace? Or is it just that "not everything is in order" simply on simply on the ground - and the Moscow Oblast cannot do without "ichtamnets" at all? Be that as it may - one thing is clear to me. We first produced a huge number of retirees and storekeepers in the country, during our endless “reforms” and “optimizations” of the armed forces, for as many as 2 decades, without interruption. And now we are recruiting these people (and who will have to), from year to year, en masse, through a structure with an unclear legal status, at the assembly point, which is the official military unit. These people sign a contract for a substantial monthly amount, more than that of the official military. But at the same time, we have far less social obligations before them than before official military personnel. The rights are protected by the law, they are included in the state pension system - the same remain with their "huge" salary, to be taken to the Russian military hospital in case of injury (but if complications arise in the future, then I'm sorry, Vasya: you won’t prove that this is a result of the fulfillment of the "international duty"), a one-time payment to relatives in case of death, without clear guarantees for the removal of the body from Syria, without the right to officially perpetuate the memory in case of death. Leasing staff in its purest form. And to this entire office we provide a "roof" from the state. We take them to Syria. They are going there for assault operations - with predictable consequences in terms of losses. We take out. Someone dies - and in the social networks of a warrior who crushed the “evil ISIS” (forbidden in the Universe) and other “stupid bearded unwashed barley men, who cares!”, They spit on the wording “he knew what he was doing,” "he gets paid for it." Well, in the official media, of course, silence ... And this is all OUR MAN! THIS IS OUR PEOPLE! What - "they are fools", "they can’t survive without a war", "they bought money themselves when they could safely go to a construction site - and families would not lose them"? Well, yes - "it’s your own fault." But why should we exploit them, "fools" ?! In order to officially "boys did not die"? As for me, this is not "just a job, just a risky one, they chose it themselves."
                1. 0
                  28 May 2018 09: 26
                  Pancake. Horses, people, and volleys of thousands of guns ...
                  You are extremely ... great, I would say. Which, incidentally, is not great.

                  Quote: Vvol
                  but if complications arise in the future, then I'm sorry, Vasya: you won’t prove that this is a result of the fulfillment of the “international duty”

                  Are you so up to date with the device of Russian PMCs? My compliments ....
                  Quote: Vvol
                  could easily go to a construction site - and families would not lose them

                  A controversial issue, at a construction site it also happens ... ahem, all.
                  Quote: Vvol
                  Maybe, nevertheless, one of the oligarchs wants to cash in on this war?

                  Yes stopudoff !!!
                  Quote: Vvol
                  without clear guarantees for the removal of the body from Syria, without the right to officially perpetuate memory in case of death

                  Under the Union, wasn’t it the same in places? wink
                  In short ... You are understandable, and I am no longer interested. From the word "general" Yes
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  8. +1
    24 May 2018 10: 02
    It is interesting, because it is known that sooner or later they will attack, they built defensive structures of the DPR? If you look at the latest reports on the front line, they didn’t build, maybe a little deeper or scored? In any case, it will become known after some time.
    1. +5
      24 May 2018 14: 53
      Quote: Imobile
      It is interesting, because it is known that sooner or later they will attack, they built defensive structures of the DPR?

      Where they scored, where they built from what came to hand, and where dill was not given ...

      Although the dill itself, insolent to the extent that the excavators used. We felt them within earshot. Well, we "drive" them out of the arrows, they will calm down for a while then, they will fill us with cradles from mortars, and all business ...
      At the KP baht you convey that this and that, construction equipment is working there and there ...
      So what ? OBSERVE!...

      Some expressions ...
      1. +2
        24 May 2018 15: 21
        Why aren’t you using a tractor?
        1. +2
          24 May 2018 15: 41
          Quote: Imobile
          Why aren’t you using a tractor?

          Where to get it? At headquarters, of course, there is something, but who will give it because they will burn it (and they will burn it, this is a fact for You can shoot dill), and indeed, solarium ...
          Where we are now, up to dill positions from 400 to 700 meters.
          1. +1
            24 May 2018 16: 05
            So it is possible to build further from the dill positions where they will not reach. But what about civilian tractors from factories? What local - do not help?
            1. +2
              24 May 2018 16: 12
              Quote: Imobile
              So it is possible to build further from the dill positions where they will not reach.

              Are they needed? Yes, they began to "pick" the "second line", but this is such an unprintable word, that ... Window dressing for verification is either from the Corps, or from Moscow.
              There, of course, the excavator was digging.
              And what is this for us? We are all with pens, on our hump…. By logs, by logs.
              We are being taken apart, and we are building ...
      2. 0
        1 June 2018 10: 07
        your true friend (there is no second line, especially the system of structures. what remains is there, such as a checkpoint that was used back in 14-15 years. maybe a couple of trenches and a "dugout" in the neighborhood.
        but for example, from the side of Dzerzhinsk many times they saw how crested strengthened. there were excavators and truck cranes and concrete mixers. the distance is 600-1200 ... but watch. and kk machine guns so generally taken from the position "to where it is more necessary"
    2. +1
      28 May 2018 04: 35
      Yes there is no "second line" of defense there. Who cares, he knows. There is only a front end. And then - the personnel are literally not enough for the front. The advanced forces are represented by literally observation posts of several people - the task is: to have time to shout at any connection about the beginning of the advance of the enemy’s forces, and to give a fight - if before that the enemy’s DRGs had not yet been cut / captured. All hope is for the main "disposition", plus the brigade assigned in accordance with the "Minsk" forces (the reaction time of the latter, of course, is slowed down by the same "Minsk"). And there is no second line of ready-made defensive positions in the event of an APU breakthrough. Not "prepared" for war, in general.
  9. +1
    24 May 2018 11: 38
    Whether all this is true or not true, how much is what and how it matters absolutely nothing. Putin has already explained to everyone that Donbas will not allow him to crush. the championship is not a hindrance who said that they would give us a chance to do it without these things The question of what to do next with this Babylon will again strangle Bandera as in 50s and we will have a permanent hidden 5 column or separate western Ukraine and give pieces of Hungary to Poland, etc. Let cut each other or live peacefully it's their business
    1. +2
      24 May 2018 12: 31
      separate western Ukraine and give pieces of Hungary to Poland, etc.
      This has already happened, read Pavel Sudoplatov. They will be immediately pumped up with Russophobia, trained and sent to spoil the Russians.
  10. 0
    24 May 2018 11: 57
    Quote: Scipio African
    This is lightning fast in our amateurish opinion, otherwise at the beginning of the conflict and further on we wouldn’t see the Tu-22M3 in a theater, the car is more than serious, maybe I’m mistaken and if there are specialists, let them tell you, but it just doesn’t come up on the order of YES, but the result war - destroyed US-established infrastructure in Georgia for war with Iran

    Are you talking about a car and a crew that Georgians (Ukrainians) shot down?
  11. 0
    24 May 2018 12: 00
    Quote: Stalingradpobeda
    Medvedev D.A. proved himself worthy of protecting South Ossetia. I respect him for that act.

    this is when for almost three days no one - nothing?
    1. +2
      24 May 2018 13: 08
      Now what are they doing?
  12. 0
    24 May 2018 12: 02
    And how are the agreements Minsk-1 different from Minsk -2.? I looked at the compliance map of the Minsk agreement, and I was very surprised
    that the border of Ukraine passes in such a way that Crimea and the DPR, LPR are again the territory of Ukraine. I do not believe such
    geography. Crimea is ours, and we will not give it back.
  13. 0
    24 May 2018 13: 33
    And here, by chance, the “partners” started a massive redeployment of troops in Europe. Generally not cool. But by and large, it’s not scary anymore. The main prize of Crimea did not fall to partners, and without it everything loses its practical meaning.
    1. 0
      28 May 2018 04: 48
      The main prize of Crimea did not fall to partners, and without it everything loses its practical meaning.
      The trouble is that even without the South-East there is “practical sense” to us ... well, very little from the Crimea. The bridge, with all the grandeur of this engineering structure, is so, an excuse from a simple solution in the form of a land corridor. Now, the campaign will have to build a pipeline for water. For the junta controls the canal with Dnieper water ... and without it, Crimea will quickly return to its natural state, which was before the 50s. - Desert central areas with unsuitable soil for serious agriculture. Crimea constantly needs irrigation with fresh water in large volumes. Local underground waters are not suitable for this - they are saline ... Well, say, the construction of the century, of course, the construction of the century: pride, investment, jobs, demonstration of power and all things ... But when will we learn how to work not with metal and not with finances - but with people? Loyal power with a loyal population in the territories adjacent to Crimea is the best guarantee of the peninsula’s security.
      1. 0
        28 May 2018 05: 12
        Quote: Vvol
        Loyal power with a loyal population in the territories adjacent to Crimea is the best guarantee of the peninsula’s security.

        Right Better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick.
        Your recipe is ready, probably? How quickly, without noise and dust, to squeeze out those very "territories"? With "loyal people" in addition? wink
  14. +2
    24 May 2018 13: 56
    What is the difference between serious analysts and “analysts” of the Damantsev level, except that they do not write for sites of the VO level? Serious analysts first analyze the available information, then based on this analysis they build a forecast of the development of events.
    Analysts like Damantsev know in advance what the outcome should be. The rest is tinsel to betray the species. That is, such material does not have informational value, but is valuable for the author.
    1. +3
      24 May 2018 14: 41
      Apparently you like the following example of analytics and conclusions (in fairness, I do not have the original English text in my hands):
      The expert said that the images recording the movement of the Buk were analyzed. Paulsen noted that he will present several additional results.

      "Analyzed all available pictures and images, we managed to take fingerprints from the shells from which the plane was shot down. And we understand that these shells coincide with those that belong to the military brigades of the Russian Federation", - he said.
      1. 0
        24 May 2018 15: 42
        And where does this bullshit come from? Can I link? Or is it also not at hand?
        1. +1
          24 May 2018 15: 52
          Quote: Curious
          And where does this bullshit come from? Can I link?


          There you are. Receive and sign.
          https://cont.ws/@taksist1964/954457
          1. 0
            24 May 2018 16: 11
            I asked you for a link, not the address of the fence around the construction site, on which they write different garbage in chalk. And you palm off the trash for me. The original is, where is it taken from?
            1. +1
              24 May 2018 16: 17
              Quote: Curious
              I asked you for a link, not the address of the fence around the construction site, on which they write different garbage in chalk. And you palm off the trash for me. The original is, where is it taken from?


              Lyudyna, you asked:
              Quote: Curious
              And where does this bullshit come from? Can I link?

              "Bullshit" in stock ? Whenceokay? Link ,there is ?

              What the hell do you still need?
              1. 0
                24 May 2018 16: 23
                A similar question to you. You broke into someone else’s dialogue and with a noble exclamation “Get and sign,” pointed out the address of the Kont information desk, which is still not working. You could not clearly answer the further question about the availability of the original. So what the hell do you want?
                1. 0
                  24 May 2018 16: 25
                  Quote: Curious
                  A similar question to you. You broke into someone else's dialogue

                  Chu, on tebe ...
                  1. 0
                    24 May 2018 16: 28
                    That would be immediately said.
        2. +1
          26 May 2018 20: 34
          Quote: Curious
          Paulsen

          The original is also possible but I use - (Reuters) as international and Interfax Ukraine
          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis
          -mh17-cabinet / netherlands-australia-hold-russia-r
          esponsible-in-mh17-downing-idUSKCN1IQ0XO
          https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/507448.html
          “It is the first time the finger points to one specific country,” Prime Minister Mark Rutte told reporters after an emergency cabinet meeting. "We are holding Russia responsible for their role in the deployment of the Buk rocket system."

          As usual, someone does not really speak English. Even with my education, this is not about specific “fingerprints”, but specific traces / signs.
          1. 0
            27 May 2018 12: 23
            There generally is not talking about fingerprints. There we are talking about the fact that the finger indicates a specific country. A man is figuratively expressed, but hamsters do not understand such "thin-walled". The volume of the device is not the same.
  15. +3
    24 May 2018 14: 24
    Quote: AleBors
    Quote: Stalingradpobeda
    I think the USA are the main enemies of Russia

    This, dear, evidence ... Axiom. Glad you finally understood this. good
    Quote: Stalingradpobeda
    The United States wants Russia to start the war

    Sometimes there is no choice. Or such that, as it were, without a choice. Until 2013, diplomats had to work in Ukraine clearly, firmly and correctly. And now the situation is running ..

    Not when in history did diplomacy solve such problems. Only bayonets prove the truth. An attempt to create, on the outskirts of the Empire, a nationalist entity, the leadership of the USSR nipped tightly, ignoring any losses. Now pledge with the Nazis, recognized the election (mythical) of the dill president. The defeat of the USSR in the Cold War is a disaster for people who previously lived as a single Soviet people. It’s good only to the mary tribe.
  16. 0
    24 May 2018 16: 41
    The exercises in the Crimea and Transnistria should be held for the period of the championship.
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  18. A.
    +1
    25 May 2018 00: 15
    When the king could stand up for little brothers. Whether the Russian Alagarhat is capable of this is a difficult question.
  19. 0
    26 May 2018 11: 08
    Give someone Pedro, a delicious tie ..... They don’t teach history at all.
  20. 0
    26 May 2018 15: 09
    Quote: akims
    separate western Ukraine and give pieces of Hungary to Poland, etc.
    This has already happened, read Pavel Sudoplatov. They will be immediately pumped up with Russophobia, trained and sent to spoil the Russians.

    I agree, therefore, I ask the question of what to do with western Ukraine. How Sudoplatov is an eye for an eye or something else. Type, as we did in Chechnya. An open question.
  21. +1
    26 May 2018 20: 41
    What I do not like articles like Damantsev I wrote. But what I like about them is that it’s openly about the need to use the calibers of Iskander and all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ... In spite of everything. A man of wide soul. It’s not shy of its “complexes” It is strange that everyone else squeals that the Russian Federation is not involved, that the Russian Armed Forces are not directed against Ukraine, and so on. No, so straight.
    laughing
    An extremely important detail of the statement of an anonymous officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the headquarters of the so-called "EP" was the "crown" reservation according to Freud, for which it would have long since been worth working with "Gauges" on all the firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbas theater. So, according to the Ukrainian resource strana.ua, this slave “face” without a twinge of conscience asserts that “the whole city of Gorlovka is easily swept from these positions.” How do you like that?

    how did it get interesting and useful. A resource is often there.
    According to the senior officer of the OOS headquarters, Gorlovka is considered by the United Forces command to be the most strategically most advantageous area for the so-called "loop tightening" around Donetsk.
    "Gorlovka is surrounded by favorable heights, including in the village of Yuzhny, the one who owns strong positions at these heights, in fact, owns the city. The whole city is easily shot from them. Therefore, if the heights around Gorlovka are under the Armed Forces, separatists will surrender Gorlovka without There’s just no sense in dying there - everything is at a glance. Accordingly, Gorlovka is a strategic bridgehead for an attack on Debaltseve and Enakievo. Thus, the loop around Donetsk is being tightened. called the "gray zone." And we have every right to occupy the "gray zone", such movement is not considered an offensive, "the APU officer explained to us.
    During the artillery duel between the Armed Forces and the separatists, residential buildings in Gorlovka itself and on its outskirts, consisting of several villages, were damaged, two people were killed, four more were injured

    https://strana.ua/news/142265-horlovka-novosti-s-
    chej-ataki-nachalos-obostrenie-v-horlovke.html
    It is strange that this means Caliber ... also found in the mine is obvious.
    "Officer" and Damantsev are on the same board. But one can be Caliber, and the second can not violate the MS. There is no difference between them. Both chat what you want.
  22. +1
    27 May 2018 16: 04
    Quote: parusnik
    One gets the impression that LDNR is just a bargaining chip in the political game of Russia and the West .. Officially, Russia makes statements in support of the Donbass, and unofficially conducts carpet games ... But the APU has a tactic to quietly pinch Donbass, so you don’t have time to look around and finish the so-called ATO, and in Russia they will shrug their hands and how it happened ..

    Something the sale of Donbass and Lugansk, was delayed, is not it, after all, 4 years. Probably the price does not converge.
  23. 0
    27 May 2018 16: 16
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: parusnik
    One gets the impression that LDNR is just a bargaining chip in the political game of Russia and the West.

    it's just a bargain between the Russian Federation and the United States. In principle, this situation suits both sides. USA- there is a springboard in the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation- Ukraine is drowning economically and no one takes it anywhere. Here is just one hitch - people shoot and die. But these points are not taken into account in big politics.

    Yes, Moscow has big advantages with this situation. We lived quietly in early 2014, the Olympics. And then they decided to get buns. Therefore, they made another maidan, overthrew Yanukovych, and took the Crimea. And all the rest are white and fluffy. And they did not do the Maidan, and Russia only wished for good. Bad Russia.
  24. 0
    8 June 2018 22: 11
    The saddest thing is that (on the example of the LPR) all this technology and manpower driven by ukraine may simply not be needed. Internal enemies are ruining the LPR army many times more successfully. Any army without real fighting begins to decompose, and, like a fish, begins to rot from the head.

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