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Stalin failed - Putin will do

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After the opening of the road part of the Crimean Bridge, it became clear that large infrastructure projects were well within the reach of modern Russia. And immediately there was renewed talk of the need to build a bridge to Sakhalin Island - a project of no less ambitious, and taking into account the construction of access infrastructure with a length of about five hundred kilometers, it is also more expensive.


The implementation of this project in the form of a tunnel under the strait began under Stalin. But then "something went wrong," and the construction of the century stopped. Then periodically there was talk about the construction, but it did not go further. And now, it seems, the affair has moved off dead center ...



The need for this construction was confirmed, in particular, by President Vladimir V. Putin. True, he announced the figure 286 billion rubles - that is, only the cost of the bridge itself. Now, having preliminarily calculated all the costs, the experts are talking about a figure twice as large - about six hundred billion rubles. This is not just more: even by expanding this figure into five to six years of construction, we get quite a lot of money, which is unlikely to pass on to private investors or poor Far Eastern regions.

The issue with private investors did not arise by chance: alas, the media is already receiving a deaf wave of rejection, based on the opinion that such an expensive project does not pay for itself, there is nothing to transport to Sakhalin and back in such a volume, this is a purely political project, and we , we will pay for the great power ambitions of power.

In this connection, many commentators, including officials, try to link this project with the parallel construction of an even more epochal transport transition from Sakhalin to Hokkaido. Now, if they say, the Japanese would show interest in this project and, on their part, would make a transition, then it would immediately become very profitable. And without the Japanese, the crocodile on Sakhalin is not caught, and the coconut doesn’t grow there ...

If you try to go deep into this question, you will surely notice: only the freight traffic that is now in demand by Sakhalin appears in justifying the need for construction. The fact that the ports of the island can become excellent transshipment bases in trade with Japan, the USA, Canada, in the supply of cargo to Kamchatka, in providing cargo traffic "to the north", for some reason, they are rarely and reluctantly remembered. Meanwhile, the Sakhalin ports, having received a powerful impetus for development, could quickly increase cargo transshipment to the indicated directions, unloading the ports of Primorye to work in the Chinese, Korean and trade directions with other countries in the south of the Asia-Pacific region. Therefore, we can already say that a possible cargo turnover needs to be considered somewhat more optimistic - if the Vanino-Kholmsk ferry is already suffocating under a load of one million tons of cargo, then after the construction of the bridge we can talk about volumes that are large at times and in order.

Another argument "against" - the construction of access roads. According to "experts", many of whom travel only from Moscow abroad, it will be building in terrible conditions, through the impassable taiga, mountains, permafrost and other inconveniences. This is partly true. But only partly ...

From Selikhino station on BAM, which should be the starting point of the new transport corridor, to the north, almost to the very destination (Lazarev village on the bank of the Nevelsky Strait) is a road. It is clear that she herself is hardly something outstanding, or at least modern. But from the point of view of the construction of railway canvases, this is a good sign - there is a rather well-studied route, access roads, more or less suitable terrain. And the construction of a railway branch is unlikely to become more difficult than, for example, the well-mastered construction of pipelines in permafrost conditions. And we build them with thousands of kilometers, and somehow even questions do not arise.

A separate moment is the decision to build an exclusively railway crossing to Sakhalin. Automobile road, at least two-lane, seems to many unjustified luxury. And in terms of cost, of course, this can be understood. But not everything can probably be measured by economics.

About five hundred thousand people live on Sakhalin. And this, imagine, exactly the same citizens of Russia, like the inhabitants of the Crimea. In no case do I want to make any oppositions - it is very great that Crimeans can now take their cars and go on a trip to Russia. Though to Moscow, at least to Novosibirsk, at least to Sa ... But no, to Sakhalin, unfortunately, will not work - someone regretted the money, having decided that it is much more important to transport coal for export than to provide comfortable living conditions for half a million Russians.

Believe me, they, the residents of Sakhalin, also really want to take the car, fill up the tank and go without ferry or rail traffic to Khabarovsk or Primorye. Moreover, because of the climatic features of the region, only in Primorye they will be able to swim enough in the summer, sunbathe, well, in general, at least two months, but almost in the Crimea. Alas, the climate on the island itself is more complicated, and not every year even the residents of the south of Sakhalin can have a rest on the sea.

And even more importantly, if we are that way, mercantile approach to such projects, the Far Eastern region will remain with us a place to work, but not for the lives of people. And all our appeals, programs like "Far Eastern hectare", etc. will remain a voice crying in the desert - if we cannot make Sakhalin, one of the most climatically favorable regions of the Far East, comfortable for living, then what about Kamchatka or the Magadan region?

And add to this the very Japanese. I am sure that these inquisitive citizens will take the opportunity of a car tour to the Far East of Russia with great enthusiasm.

It is clear that the project has many difficulties and in addition to the above. In particular, the capacity of BAM in the area from Komsomolsk-on-Amur is very low (single track, no matter how strange it sounds in 2018), and Transsib itself still needs electrification in some places. But partly the answer to this question has already been given - in a recent decree of V. V. Putin, infrastructure projects related to the electrification of Transsib and BAM are separately spelled out, and it is highly likely that this problem will be solved in any case, regardless of will build a bridge on about. Sakhalin or not.

As for the cost of the bridge, simply compare the approximately ten billion dollars that will be required for construction, and four hundred and fifty billion gold reserves, a fair amount of which is folded into the American debt trap. Maybe even a slight increase in this amount based on the construction of the road part is not really such a big problem for our state?

In fact, it is quite obvious: for the implementation of this project, we have absolutely everything - money, technology, experience, and specialists. Only will is needed, and it is very likely that, having begun this presidential term with the opening of the Crimean Bridge, Vladimir Putin will finish his opening of the bridge to Sakhalin Island.

But our infrastructure hopes are not the only bridge. Recently, President Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan suggested that Russia build a canal connecting the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea (via Azov).

I must say that this initiative, if it aroused interest in Russia, then seasoned with a fair amount of skepticism. It is not surprising - the project is very large, its usefulness is not obvious to us, it can also cause harm. But for this we are also offered to pay.

At the moment, communication between the Black and Caspian Seas is possible through the Volga-Don Canal. But you need to understand that its carrying capacity is not too large - and the canal itself is outdated, and rivers are not able to pass heavy sea vessels with a draft of up to ten meters and huge dimensions. Moreover, it is clear that the canal itself can be reconstructed, but it is impossible to “reconstruct” the rivers, and the carrying capacity of this transport corridor will never meet the needs of the Caspian states.

And they have great needs. Commodity economies of the region would gladly take advantage of the shipping channel capable of letting huge tankers with crude oil, deadweight of a hundred thousand tons, or bulk carriers of comparable dimensions and volume loaded with ore or coal.

Probably such a channel, had it fallen into our hands from the sky, would have been a pretty good acquisition. But at a cost of twenty billion dollars, building it up even in clubbing is rather expensive. And the payback period raises questions: with all due respect for the raw material capabilities of the Caspian states, they are unlikely to ever be able to provide cargo turnover comparable to that of Suez.

Therefore, while skeptical attitude. Approximately it can be formulated as follows: Nazarbayev needs to, Nazarbayev pays. And we are clever people - we will design, build, and ensure operation.

But for their hard-earned Russia, it is hardly worth getting involved in this project. In any case, until “reinforced concrete” economic and environmental studies of the project appear.

And what worries me the most is the attempt to somehow counterpose this sudden Kazakh proposal to the suffering Sakhalin bridge project that the country needs.

No, let me: we are serious people, we will master, if that, and both projects.

But money, please go ahead - we no longer make gifts.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 24 May 2018 05: 46
    +27
    We live in the center of Russia ... And to get to Samara every morning we stand for an hour in traffic ... They promised a bridge to the world championship ... But something did not grow together ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 24 May 2018 06: 00
      +69
      Stalin failed - Putin will do
      deftly Author: Viktor Kuzovkov coped with the headline ... maybe Putin is also the economy, he will raise steeper than Stalin, and will cope with corruption, etc. belay
      1. apro
        apro 24 May 2018 06: 13
        +58
        The name is provocative. It is somehow not entirely correct to compare what IVS Stalin did or did not ... so his success is undeniable. And the tunnel to Sakhalin would have been punched if not for the leader’s death.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 May 2018 08: 22
          +9
          Quote: apro
          The name is provocative. It is somehow not entirely correct to compare what IVS Stalin did or did not ... so his success is undeniable. And the tunnel to Sakhalin would have been punched if not for the leader’s death.

          They only closed the tunnel to Sakhalin, and even the largest construction projects - immediately after death.
          There was no strength, no means.
          1. apro
            apro 24 May 2018 08: 45
            +28
            Quote: Olgovich
            There was no strength, no means.

            It is extremely doubtful. Even today these projects are necessary. Both the tunnel and the polar railway. And the plan for the transformation of nature. The plans of IV Stalin were calculated. There is another motive. Undercover.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 May 2018 09: 29
              +4
              Quote: apro
              It is extremely doubtful. Even today these projects are necessary. Both the tunnel and the polar railway. And the plan for the transformation of nature. IV Stalin's plans were calculated

              The country has overtaken on these projects: it is necessary not only to build, but also to LIVE.
              1. apro
                apro 24 May 2018 09: 41
                +34
                To live a hotz .... that's right. But there is always a choice either a superpower or a Bunustan. And this is for everyone. And for Amers. Germans. Yapov.
                And also to restore the country after the war. To reduce prices. To forge a nuclear sword. To spoil amers.
                About overworked ... economically no. But the human factor began to fail.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 24 May 2018 10: 08
                  +10
                  Quote: apro
                  To live a hotz .... that's right. But there is always a choice either a superpower or a Bunustan. And this is for everyone. And for Amers. Germans. Yapov.

                  Do you hear yourself? WHERE did the Americans break their veins? They both built and LIVED at the same time. In a good present, not in a mythical future.
                  Quote: apro
                  А to spoil amers.

                  Good target, yes ...
                  Quote: apro
                  I’ve overtaken ... economically no. But the human factor began to fail

                  Overwhelmed in everything
                  1. apro
                    apro 24 May 2018 10: 36
                    +21
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Do you hear yourself? WHERE did the Americans break their veins?

                    Are you talking about the great depression in the know? The same great amerovsky change.
                    The goal is to spoil the amers. The more mutual.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 24 May 2018 11: 15
                      +5
                      Quote: apro
                      Are you talking about the great depression in the know? The same great amerovsky change.

                      I am aware of what they ate, dressed, and they lived many times better than in the USSR. Including at 30 years old. And without millions of deaths from starvation.
                      At the same time, they developed and strengthened.
                      1. apro
                        apro 24 May 2018 11: 20
                        +17
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I am aware of what they ate, dressed, and they lived many times better than in the USSR.

                        Do you envy or know the features of the Amerov economy?

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And without millions of deaths from starvation.

                        Could you justify the demographic failure of the Great Depression?
                      2. kotvov
                        kotvov 24 May 2018 11: 53
                        +22
                        And without millions of starvation deaths. ,,
                        Are you serious? or in America and ... fatter. First read the material, and then say it. They died of hunger no less, or even more than during the so-called “famine,” and tell us what battles took place in the United States?
                      3. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 24 May 2018 15: 18
                        +14
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I am aware of what they ate, dressed, and they lived many times better than in the USSR. Including at 30 years old. And without millions of deaths from starvation.

                        Someone ate even a lot better than good. The truth is, after all, in a democratic country no one will say that they also did not have ice. And when the calculation is carried out by adequate people, instead of 5-7 million people who died of hunger Ukraine is a maximum of about 300, which is also not very good, but less than in the same North American states. By the way, those who died of starvation in Volyn and in the Lviv region during the "famine" lived in the territory of Panski Poland, you hope you are aware that at that time Western Ukraine was part of Poland?
                      4. andrew42
                        andrew42 24 May 2018 15: 48
                        +5
                        Well, of course. great depression is great! Just think, they shot, hung themselves and used other methods of suicide. Probably experimented?
                      5. freddyk
                        freddyk 24 May 2018 15: 58
                        +22
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Quote: apro
                        Are you talking about the great depression in the know? The same great amerovsky change.

                        I am aware of what they ate, dressed, and they lived many times better than in the USSR. Including at 30 years old. And without millions of deaths from starvation.
                        At the same time, they developed and strengthened.

                        If you really know a little history, then you know how the states got out of depression, due to whom they developed and strengthened. At that time, while the USSR did indeed tear its veins in the fight against Hitler, at the cost of total destruction and sacrifice, the States in this war only enriched themselves. Your beloved States are a parasite on the body of the planet, they live well due to the suffering of others.
                      6. Mexovoy
                        Mexovoy 24 May 2018 21: 57
                        +12
                        Bunches of anger familiar to you? What do you know about Roosevelt's New Deal? And where did 11 million Americans go by 1940?
                      7. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 25 May 2018 08: 21
                        +8
                        The US demographic shortage for 10 years from the Great Depression and the very massive famines associated with it reaches 10 million people, so fairy tales do not need to be told how well they lived there.
                      8. -Pollux
                        -Pollux 26 May 2018 11: 30
                        +5
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And without millions of deaths from starvation.

                        Here you are categorically mistaken. It is with millions of starvation deaths.
                      9. evgeny68
                        evgeny68 27 May 2018 17: 12
                        +1
                        Dear, the USA has developed and strengthened in 2 world wars in Europe.
                      10. serezhasoldatow
                        serezhasoldatow 16 July 2018 20: 37
                        0
                        Well preserved since then, mentally ...?
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 24 May 2018 11: 57
                      +3
                      Quote: apro
                      Do you envy or know the features of the Amerov economy?

                      belay
                      I know a little story. It's enough
                      Quote: apro
                      Could you justify the demographic failure of the Great Depression?

                      Justify is for you. The statistics of the United States failed.
                      1. apro
                        apro 24 May 2018 12: 07
                        +19
                        Propaganda is like faith in God. It only requires faith. And truth is knowledge. There are no words.
                      2. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 24 May 2018 15: 22
                        +10
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The statistics of the United States failed.

                        Well then yes, as well as some debt exceeding many times the national GDP. But on the other hand, to prove to a person who is confident in the infallibility of various US structures, starting from the "independent and non-living" media and ending with various statistics, just do not respect yourself.
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 24 May 2018 23: 02
                        +3
                        [/ quote] I know a little history. [quote]

                        It can be seen that a little.
                  2. 72jora72
                    72jora72 24 May 2018 12: 05
                    +14
                    ? WHERE did the Americans break their veins? They both built and LIVED at the same time. AT
                    Have you heard about the Great Depression? As Americans got out of it, how many millions worked just for food. Bridges and roads were built (which, in principle, were not needed then), but they were only worth it to occupy people, but then these measures resulted in the country's economic growth.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 25 May 2018 04: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: 72jora72
                      Have you heard about the Great Depression?

                      I heard that.
                      They did it. And they ate, dressed and lived better than in the USSR, incl. and in 30 years.
                      What's not clear?
                      1. sa-ag
                        sa-ag 25 May 2018 10: 54
                        +6
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And they ate, dressed and lived better than in the USSR, incl. and in 30 years.
                        What's not clear?

                        The lines in the Salvation Army, for free soup, probably snickered
                  3. serezhasoldatow
                    serezhasoldatow 24 May 2018 15: 43
                    +5
                    Americans not only lived, but also won the Second World War. And didn’t overtake ...
                    1. freddyk
                      freddyk 24 May 2018 17: 32
                      +20
                      Quote: serezhasoldatow
                      Americans not only lived, but also won the Second World War. And didn’t overtake ...


                      Of course we didn’t hope that it’s good to sit behind a puddle and receive whole gold convoys. I would say that the states did not win the war, but they won from the war, which is what they actually achieved.
                    2. evgeny68
                      evgeny68 27 May 2018 17: 18
                      +3
                      Serezha, how old are you, where do you live, what have you finished? These are the key questions for the ram, who believes that the United States won the 2nd world.
                  4. Kornily
                    Kornily 24 May 2018 18: 07
                    +7
                    They both built and LIVED at the same time. In a good present, not in a mythical future.

                    I wonder why? Before the WWII and before WWII, the United States did not have external threats; there was no dangerous enemy at the borders either, so the army was 100-150 tons. person. You can safely develop and invest loot.
                    And all sorts of climbed to us, so be so kind as to lay out on the content of a strong army.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 25 May 2018 04: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: Korniliy
                      I wonder why? Before the WWII and before WWII, the United States did not have external threats; there was no dangerous enemy at the borders either, so the army was 100-150 tons. person. You can safely develop and invest loot.

                      Let me remind you that 7 million deaths from starvation only in 1932-33 were not in these years in any Africa, Asia, ANYWHERE .. NONE of the country's government said a WORD. That it is necessary for the country's defense. At the same time, they lied that everything is fine.
                      And this hunger was not the only one.
                      They didn’t know how to lead.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 26 May 2018 11: 47
                        +5
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And this hunger was not the only one.
                        They didn’t know how to lead.

                        Is it the same in Romania, Poland?
                        Indeed, from there periodically expose facts and arguments about hunger, sometimes showing pictures from there, passing them off as pictures in the USSR.
                        However, you often catch on broadcasting absolute fabrications, for example, your writings from the Holodomor take place from here.
                        “In 1983, the work of James Mace,“ Communism and the Dilemmas of National Liberation: National Communism in Soviet Ukraine in 1919–1933, ”was published at Harvard University Press. Earlier, this robot by D. Meys was not recognized by American scientists. However, due Mace did not draw conclusions from this and, at the request of the organizers of the Cold War, began to form a myth about Moscow’s desire to strengthen its power to “destroy the Ukrainian peasantry, Ukrainian intelligentsia, the Ukrainian language, Ukrainian history in the understanding of the people, destroy Ukraine as such.” D. Mace didn’t bother to explain or couldn’t explain why in the interests of political power in the country it was necessary to destroy an entire nation along with its history. Nevertheless, the author was noticed by the directors of the Cold War and was appointed professor at the Ukrainian Research Institute of Harvard University. " https://kprf.ru/international/6134
                        2.html
                        Just don’t cry that the link is only from the name of one of the parties taking place in Russia. Immediately makes you look for fleas where they do not exist ...
                        This link does not suit you.
                        "The myth of the" Holodomor "is an integral part of the so-called" Harvard project ", created for informational and psychological sabotage against the Soviet Union and then Russia. It clearly shows the direction - the maximum incitement of nationalist passions and, above all, animal hostility and hatred of Russia and the Russian people. It is believed that "the creator of the" Harvard project "is one of the" smartest and most treacherous enemies of our country ", the notorious American political scientist, one of the most vicious Russophobes on the planet - Zbigniew Brzezinski."
                        http://www.great-country.ru/rubrika_myths/golodom
                        or / 00001.html
                  5. faridg7
                    faridg7 25 May 2018 13: 46
                    +4
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    WHERE did the Americans break their veins? They both built and LIVED at the same time. In a good present, not in a mythical future.

                    It’s like they didn’t tear their veins to themselves — they pitted half the world and, earning from the war, built and lived happily ever after. And after World War II they didn’t finish it, everything is still going on. Not that example, not that
                2. Skif83
                  Skif83 7 June 2018 19: 41
                  +1
                  Well, the human factor was lowered in case of crush.
                  If objectively, Stalin ruled from the autumn of 1938 to 1954. This is the time when he possessed a real fullness of power, no matter who says it. And how much has been done over the years ?! To compare those events with the current ones is not something that is incorrect, not comparable. Different eras, different people, different ideas. Only with those people and those ideas, incomparably more has been done for comparable time periods, and, most importantly, FOR THE PEOPLE! And now - the Crimean bridge ... Yes, the bridge is probably good, only Amer.y spent $ 5 billion and ... in twenty years they bought Ukraine in the bud, Russia spent $ 10 billion for three years on the bridge ... Comparable acquisitions? For this money, we had to at least buy up the entire south-east of Ukraine to Kiev !!! And we built a bridge, even if unique and excellent, etc. Only in case of war is there any certainty that this bridge will live long? Somehow there is no such certainty ... If without cheers-patriotic slogans? How many Tomahawks will it take? And let me not be ranked among agents of the State Department, because such calculations were made by us, otherwise it could not be. so what is its survivability in case, God forbid, war?
              2. 73bor
                73bor 25 May 2018 09: 02
                +1
                Nobody was tearing there, there were enough other things, but I know one road and a bridge need to be built, there will always be something to carry, about BAM the same idiotic mantras were repeating about the costumes and futility! And then life will become better, life will become more fun!
          2. Vladimir K.
            Vladimir K. 24 May 2018 17: 03
            +3
            What does it mean there were no forces and means? And when did they come from under Stalin? Name at least five of the "largest construction projects" that closed "immediately after the death" of Stalin. Behind every major construction site there was a responsible official (in every sense of the word) - after death no one wanted to be responsible in this sense.
            1. svd-xnumx
              svd-xnumx 24 May 2018 20: 56
              +4
              What does it mean there were no forces and means? And when did they come from under Stalin? Name at least five of the "largest construction projects" that closed "immediately after the death" of Stalin.
              Transpolar highway, Kola railway, tunnel to Sakhalin, Turkmen main canal, Stalin's plan for the transformation of nature.
              1. Vladimir K.
                Vladimir K. 28 May 2018 15: 45
                +1
                To my shame, I did not even hear about the Stalinist plan for transforming nature, but there was a great idea, a massive one! Thanks for the info. But on the account of the fact that immediately after the death of Stalin there was neither the strength nor the means left to pull these objects, I still do not agree. That was not the root of the problem.
          3. gladcu2
            gladcu2 26 May 2018 00: 35
            +1
            Olgovich


            Of course, all the liberals from the Gulag were free, they released people to spoil.

            Here are all the projects and closed.

            And the GULAGs, by the way, are the only useful application of the work of liberals, for the benefit of society.

            That is OK. It will be of use to them. In future.
      2. ava09
        ava09 24 May 2018 06: 37
        +45
        I, too, was distorted by a false title ... The author was not aware that Stalin, when choosing decisions, acted exclusively in the interests of the country and its people. If the current situation dictated more primary tasks - they were solved first of all. Putin at the moment, in any case, when choosing independent decisions, "doesn’t run" to Stalin ...
        1. avt
          avt 24 May 2018 07: 45
          +10
          Quote: ava09
          I, too, was distorted by a deceitful headline ... The author is not aware that Stalin

          Actually, I didn’t have time. There were more urgent matters.
        2. mari.inet
          mari.inet 24 May 2018 08: 05
          +19
          Underestimating Putin is unfair. Stalin raised the USSR after the devastation, it was difficult, yes. Many men died in the war. But there was no external interference in the development of the USSR. On the contrary, there was even help.
          Putin is harder. The situation is multifaceted. Any of his actions for the benefit of Russia receives opposition from foreign "partners". There are so many sticks in the wheels that only have time to pull out.
          Therefore, the title of the article, in my opinion, is successful and justified.
          1. apro
            apro 24 May 2018 08: 50
            +24
            Quote: mari.inet
            Underestimating Putin is unfair. Stalin raised the USSR after the devastation, it was difficult, yes. Many men died in the war. But there was no external interference in the development of the USSR. On the contrary, there was even help.

            Yes dear ... there are no words. There was no interference .... yes, the country walked along the razor blade while they didn’t do it. You take an interest in the air war.
          2. Alone
            Alone 24 May 2018 09: 47
            +25
            Quote: mari.inet
            But there was no external interference in the development of the USSR.

            Was it in the USSR that there was no external interference ?! Especially immediately after V.O. War, there were no plans for Operation "The Unthinkable" and payment of the western "Land Liz Assistance", too, nothing at all.
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 24 May 2018 10: 53
            +16
            Quote: mari.inet
            But there was no external interference in the development of the USSR.

            Wow. And who sponsored UNA-UNSO?
            Quote: mari.inet
            On the contrary, there was even help.

            Tell me.
            Quote: mari.inet
            Putin is harder.

            What is more difficult? Merkel carries beer like Brezhnev's car.
          4. kotvov
            kotvov 24 May 2018 11: 56
            +14
            . Any of his actions for the benefit of Russia receives opposition from foreign "partners". ,,
            or maybe the country gets more sticks from his friends? who is pumping resources from the economy, who is sending, "free" funds to America, is it really the Americans?
          5. voffchik7691
            voffchik7691 6 June 2018 09: 32
            0
            “But there was no external interference in the development of the USSR. On the contrary, there was even help”
            Help was in the form of plans "unthinkable", "drop shot" and many, many more "help"!
            Nobody has ever helped the USSR and Russia. Only if for money, and then at a price!
            London and Washington helped to the last "forest brothers", Bandera! If you had in mind this help, then yes they helped us!
            And yet, Stalin not only rebuilt the country after the war, he also built the country, created industry and prepared the country for war!
            Well this is so, a trifle according to yours !!!
        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 24 May 2018 09: 41
          +14
          Before what Stalin did (in terms of infrastructure and industrialization) of modern power still .... for a long and long time. There were no such technologies under Comrade Stalin ...
      3. Hottabych
        Hottabych 24 May 2018 09: 31
        +5
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        cleverly Author: Viktor Kuzovkov coped with the headline ... maybe Putin also has the economy, he will raise steeper than Stalin, and he will cope with corruption, etc. belay

        The economy was raised by the Soviet people !!!
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 24 May 2018 11: 59
          +13
          Soviet people raised the economy !!! ,,
          and here, that the people are now transferred? Maybe it’s all the same in the leaders?
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          2. Hottabych
            Hottabych 24 May 2018 14: 22
            +4
            The people under Stalin went through the war and survived all the worst. After the war everyone lived rebuilding the country and believing in communism. Now, completely different people. It may not be possible to say so, but war tempers a person and makes him more kind, gracious, hardworking. Like illness and any adversity, no matter what nationality he is. It is inherent in man.
        2. -Pollux
          -Pollux 26 May 2018 11: 34
          +5
          Quote: Hottabych
          The economy was raised by the Soviet people !!!

          But Stalin was not part of the Soviet people? Wasn't his leader?
          1. Hottabych
            Hottabych 26 May 2018 20: 45
            +2
            I also see Stalin’s great services to our country! What is it ... Before the countries, including the breakaways. But, the economy was raised by the Soviet people, which by that time had survived like no other. And he lived by faith in the future. Make the person work now, as then for a wonderful future !? They’ll twist you at the temple and say, “Drive grandmothers!”
            1. voffchik7691
              voffchik7691 6 June 2018 11: 47
              +2
              "Make the person work now, as then for a wonderful future !? They’ll twist you at the temple and say," Drive grandmothers! ""
              Because they wanted to build a truly bright future! For their descendants.
              Now what? I, MY, ME! Now everyone has it in their heads: where to grab and where to dump, that would not be taken away!
        3. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 6 June 2018 11: 40
          0
          "The Soviet people raised the economy !!!"

          Yes, you are right, but here, just like the soldiers in the war - a soldier without a commander cannon fodder! How does he know what is going on a kilometer away and what needs to be done?
      4. siberalt
        siberalt 24 May 2018 09: 38
        +11
        The main thesis: Sakhalin bridge will make Japan continental. Do we need it? It is necessary to Japan, even if they are building it, but according to our projects. Or did China want to transport Sakhalin coal by rail? But this is more expensive than barges. Although, they also do not need to carry Sakhalin fish. They bought it for a long time 49 years in advance, and they somehow manage it, and they sell it to us, as their own. Or maybe some Sakhalin residents would like to go to Crimea on Lada Kalina?winked
        1. nikoliski
          nikoliski 25 May 2018 05: 24
          0
          a bridge in Primorye, not Japan actually
        2. Sergey086
          Sergey086 26 May 2018 15: 27
          +1
          And why do we not "need" this?
          Seeing that we have built a bridge to Sakhalin, the Japanese will build their bridge ... yes, we have nothing to carry to Japan, but Japan has something to carry through us and through us. Russian Railways loaded, is that bad?
      5. Vend
        Vend 24 May 2018 10: 05
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Stalin failed - Putin will do
        deftly Author: Viktor Kuzovkov coped with the headline ... maybe Putin is also the economy, he will raise steeper than Stalin, and will cope with corruption, etc. belay

        The heading is left. The British wanted to make a bridge to Stalin
      6. Mazandaran
        Mazandaran 24 May 2018 15: 38
        0
        And what didn’t they steal under Stalin? How did they steal! Read the story, how many cases have been uncovered, and then they are to the WALL ... !!! Do you also want to the wall ...?
        1. freddyk
          freddyk 24 May 2018 17: 40
          +4
          "A thief should be in prison, and it doesn’t matter in what ways I put him there." Captain Zhiglov was right.
        2. Sergey086
          Sergey086 25 May 2018 21: 16
          +2
          Do not fantasize .... there wasn’t in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR for theft of the VMN .... the upper bar of Articles 109, 116 and 129 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR-10 YEARS! Article 162 - theft, and that - a funny 5 years ...
          In the Second World War, maybe someone according to the laws of wartime was spanked, so it’s war.
          And you read about corruption under Stalin-ohrenete, prosecutors, courts, everything was in the corrupt ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 May 2018 07: 26
            +2
            Quote: Sergey086
            And you read about corruption under Stalin-ohrenete

            and what to read? another Solzhenitsyn ??
            1. Sergey086
              Sergey086 26 May 2018 09: 27
              +3
              Gee .... that's who Solzhenitsin’s liar is definitely not worth it .... and his kind, singing about half the country in the camps ... because by simple arithmetic addition there is a discrepancy ... the population of the USSR is a little more than 5 million. person

              So ... read VO, for example ... and Yandex works and go)))
        3. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 6 June 2018 12: 49
          0
          "Read the story, how many cases were uncovered, and then them to the WALL ... !!! Do you want to go to the wall too ...?"

          Or maybe it’s better in another way? DO NOT STEAL !!!
      7. 11 black
        11 black 26 May 2018 11: 29
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        deftly Author: Viktor Kuzovkov coped with the headline ... maybe Putin is also the economy, he will raise steeper than Stalin, and will cope with corruption, etc.

        The title is provocative - I agree.
        But for Putin, people's lives mean much more than for Dzhugashvili - for him they were consumables in the process of industrialization of the USSR. Our government, no matter how it is criticized (and there is a reason), thinks more about ordinary people than Stalin.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 May 2018 12: 15
          +4
          Quote: 11 black
          But for Putin, people's lives mean much more than for Dzhugashvili

          I generally like Putin - he has such a profession, outraged by the lack of punishment for not fulfilling tasks of national importance
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 27 May 2018 06: 48
          +5
          Your government (the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) certainly thinks very much about ordinary people, it thinks how to strip 10 skins from ordinary people and the imagination of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation in this direction is not diminishing.
        3. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 6 June 2018 12: 58
          +2
          "Our government, no matter how it is criticized (and there is a reason), thinks more about ordinary people than Stalin."
          It’s more when, “there is no money, but you hold on” or maybe when the retirement age is raised “until I change the retirement age,” or tariffs for housing and communal services ?! About, supposedly, free medicine and education I will not say anything!
      8. Skif83
        Skif83 7 June 2018 19: 26
        +1
        And then ...?! Of course he will lift and cope, for eighteen years he has been raising and managing ... Only things are there!
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 May 2018 06: 10
      +17
      Quote: Vard
      But something did not grow together ...

      Remove the “but”, and the place “wasps" insert the first letter of the alphabet and get the response of officials ... lol

      It’s not just anymore: even having decomposed this figure into five to six years of construction, we get big enough money which are unlikely to be transferred to the shoulders of private investors or impoverished Far Eastern regions.

      From the selected continue:
      We get big enough moneyand pay too small taxes ... belay And what about the $ 500 that the American deceased of Polish descent spoke about and those $ 000 that the stash doesn’t count? belay Tell the people where the difference is from the actual price of Brend oil in the amount of $ 70-79 per barrel and $ 2018 per barrel budgeted for 40? Where is the money, Zin (and other Siluanovs, Nabiullins ... who else are involved)?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 May 2018 09: 51
        +3
        And money from oil and gas revenues in excess of $ 43 goes to the reserve fund - a penny for rainy days.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 24 May 2018 10: 57
          +11
          Quote: Vadim237
          a small egg on rainy days.

          The little thing is ... not under the pillow with us, but with the neighbor from behind the puddle ... crying
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 May 2018 11: 42
            +2
            In fact, this little egg in Russia, the Central Bank.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 24 May 2018 11: 52
              +2
              Vadim, what for do you need this little egg? Especially with vrazhin?
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 May 2018 07: 20
      +3
      Quote: Vard
      And to get to Samara every morning we stand for an hour in a traffic jam ..

      Yeah - to Samara from Tolyatti to go 50 minutes, and in Samara to the railway station 1.5 hours.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 24 May 2018 09: 58
        +14
        The double-track tunnel under the English Channel is 51 km. The Nevel Strait to Sakhalin is about 8 km. Depth is 8-10 meters. For metro builders, the task is not the most difficult. winked
        1. alstr
          alstr 24 May 2018 10: 25
          +4
          Alas, with the tunnels in the Far East is problematic, because shakes often and violently. In this sense, the bridge is safer.
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 24 May 2018 11: 33
          +7
          Where the strait is 8 km wide, no one lives on both banks. The coast of Sakhalin is swampy for many kilometers. It is no coincidence that the tunnel was dug in the Ilyich Testament near Sovgavan, despite 125 km between the shores. But these are solid shores, there are railways and roads, there are people.
          1. Mechanic
            Mechanic 24 May 2018 15: 03
            +4
            where the width of 8 km is the village of Lazarevo. And there is a dirt road there and gas pipelines with oil pipelines from Sakhalin pass. And the tunnel was there and they were digging.
            1. dSK
              dSK 24 May 2018 22: 24
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              where width 8 km is the village of Lazarevo. And there is a dirt road and gas pipelines with oil pipelines from Sakhalin pass
              Crimean bridge - 19 km built since April 2015, the cost - 228 billion rubles ($ 4 billion)
              1. dSK
                dSK 24 May 2018 22: 54
                +2
                Last fall there was a meeting on "river transport development." Tariffs on it are less than railway. Don and Volga are becoming shallow; a decision was made to build additional locks. But it is necessary to make a complete overhaul of the Volga-Don. To expand and deepen the channel with dredgers is significantly cheaper and fasterthan digging a new channel.
      2. 2329 Carpenter
        2329 Carpenter 27 May 2018 10: 33
        -1
        Cit. Ingvar 72
        Yeah - to Samara from Tolyatti to go 50 minutes, and in Samara to the railway station 1.5 hours. [/ Quote]

        Now it’s not so: “Moscow” was launched. At the end of April, I broke my personal record bus: from CAV to Komsa (market) = 1h. 37 minutes
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 May 2018 15: 28
          0
          Quote: Carpenter 2329
          At the end of April, I broke my personal record bus: from CAV to Komsa (market) = 1h. 37 minutes

          This is not rush hour. And the market in Kuneevka is a little closer than to the novice. request
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 24 May 2018 07: 27
      +10
      world championship
      don't swear
      1. populist
        populist 24 May 2018 08: 56
        +4
        The project of the next pyramid of Chiops. Many have already been built.
        (I do not swear by Chiops. winked This name is from Ancient Egypt wink My plus for humor and the fight against barbarism. drinks )
        1. credo
          credo 24 May 2018 12: 09
          +2
          Quote: populist
          The project of the next pyramid of Chiops. Many have already been built.
          (I do not swear by Chiops. winked This name is from Ancient Egypt wink My plus for humor and the fight against barbarism. drinks )

          Are you sure that you know who and for what purpose built the pyramids in Egypt. Most scientists have not yet come to a consensus on this subject and cannot even explain how these pyramids were built.
          So, without touching the pyramids, I still think that those 600 billion rubles (or its equivalent in dollars - 10 billion) are not such affordable money for our budget to spend them on such a good thing as crossing over Sakhalin and its entrances. This is our land and our people live there and like everyone else they should have a stable connection with the big land.
          1. nikoliski
            nikoliski 25 May 2018 05: 21
            +3
            In general, after about 15 years, the Chinese expropriate Sakhalin (like we Crimea) along with the entire Primorye (I already saw their geography textbook where the Primorye is like in the days of the old dynasties in their colors, while obviously they create an advantage in the number of local people there in order to separate “softly Kosovo” option ")
            1. -Pollux
              -Pollux 26 May 2018 11: 38
              +3
              Quote: nikoliski
              Sakhalin in general, the Chinese expropriate in 15 years

              Quote: nikoliski
              together with all the seaside

              What have they been waiting for five thousand years?
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 26 May 2018 12: 17
                +3
                Quote: Pollux
                What have they been waiting for five thousand years?

                multiplied
                1. -Pollux
                  -Pollux 26 May 2018 13: 02
                  0
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  multiplied

                  So let them "multiply" further.
              2. zoolu350
                zoolu350 27 May 2018 07: 00
                +4
                Quote: Pollux
                What have they been waiting for five thousand years?

                You see, in the ancient period, the Middle Ages and the beginning of a new time, the main emphasis in territorial conquests was made on the territory's potential in agriculture and its population (mobilization, labor and taxable resources) Agriculture for China is rice growing, and rice in the Far East does not grow and the population there is very low, so China at the indicated time did not expand to the North. Now, when agriculture is of little relevance, and resources for industry are in demand, the value of the Far East for China has increased by orders of magnitude.
                1. -Pollux
                  -Pollux 27 May 2018 11: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  Now, when agriculture is of little relevance,

                  As it is strongly said, and you try not to eat for a week, immediately appreciate the primary role of agriculture.
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  the value of the Far East for China has increased by orders of magnitude.

                  But it’s not about the fact that Chinese companies have taken over everything, it’s about the demographic expansion of China, which in the Far East does not have economic expansion either.
                  1. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 28 May 2018 04: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: Pollux
                    As it is strongly said, and you try not to eat for a week, immediately appreciate the primary role of agriculture.

                    Do not distort. Currently, due to the urbanization and wide development of GMOs and agricultural technologies, the role of agriculture has decreased in the overall structure of the economy. You asked a specific question: "What have they been waiting for five thousand years?" Answer: "During the period you specified, the expansion was carried out on the territories of agricultural importance and demographically populated. The Far East at that time did not meet the specified requirements."
                    1. -Pollux
                      -Pollux 28 May 2018 10: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      the role of agriculture decreased in the overall structure of the economy

                      Namely, due to the increase in labor productivity, the percentage of agriculture in the overall structure of the economy decreased, but the main role of agriculture in the lives of people has not gone away. I draw your attention to the fact that the population density by country depends primarily on the suitability of the territory for agriculture. And even within countries, population density correlates depending on the climate in different territories. And the expansion of China is aimed not at our Far East and not at no-occupied Antarctica, but at habitable territories.
              3. nikoliski
                nikoliski 28 May 2018 01: 34
                0
                Sakhalin was Japanese (southern even until 1945) and Primorye, look at maps of the era of emperors it was always theirs (and in time much longer than, say, Crimea taken from the Tatars, which before it was generally Greek)
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 24 May 2018 12: 54
          +3
          Quote: populist
          I do not swear by Chiops. winked. This name is from Ancient Egypt. winked

          Actually, the pharaoh was called Khoops. wink This is from a history textbook for the 5 class of 1976 year of release. lol
    5. Author horror
      Author horror 24 May 2018 21: 39
      0
      Wow! wow - this is from the Krasnoyarsk Territory to Samara in an hour! Which, interestingly, transport - did Mask secretly build the Hyperloop, or did it secretly build another trace for the Railways Highway?
    6. nikoliski
      nikoliski 25 May 2018 05: 18
      +2
      I live the same in the Voronezh region and in order to get people to work in Liski I have to make a detour around Don as much as 60 km, although it would be possible to make a bridge over the Don in the Kopanishche district (at least there was a steam trip in the USSR) from the 90s everyone goes around and instead 10 km on the road takes 60 (two-way 120 km)
    7. Artem Popov
      Artem Popov 25 May 2018 16: 09
      +3
      Yes, let's swell the annual budget of several regions to connect one void to another. What, seriously, such a huge stream goes to Sakhalin, that not one branch to the coast has been withdrawn for ferry crossing? There half of the population in one Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, the second half is finely and finely dispersed throughout the island.
    8. 2329 Carpenter
      2329 Carpenter 27 May 2018 10: 30
      -1
      SW Ward! Train = Lipyagi (Youth?) - Samara; further to Mirny incl. There are no traffic jams on the rails! + saving time and fin. resources ... Schedule is online.
    9. Nychego
      Nychego 6 June 2018 23: 49
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      They promised a bridge to the world championship ...

      We in Jekaba were promised the second metro line to begin building to this mundialine. Hrentotam. They killed one and a half park squares, they do one stupid thing after another: shutting off gas in houses near the stadium, several stupid DPS and police posts at the entrances, flocks of police officers around the city, and today they began to renew the marking of the tourist route so that dozens of people got their shoes dirty.
      This stupidity did not bring anything good to the townspeople.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 May 2018 06: 14
    +7
    Of course, on the one hand, Sakhalin needs a connection to the mainland, not only the ferry, which depends on the weather and the possibilities of the ferries. But on the other hand, will Russia today draw one such expensive construction project so that it does not affect the fall in the standard of living (and so not high) of its citizens?
    But then "something went wrong"
    And Stalin had enough political will in abundance, but even then "something went wrong."
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 24 May 2018 06: 31
      +8
      Quote: rotmistr60
      . But on the other hand, will Russia pull one such costly construction today so that it does not affect the decline in the standard of living (and not so high) of its citizens?

      yes money to wane! Yes
      Having received help from the state, the Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg, who had fallen under sanctions, paid off loans to Western banks.
      Vekselberg’s Renova Group returned $ 1 billion to a consortium of European, Swiss, and American banks, including JPMorgan, Credit Suisse, and UBS.
      http://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic1788867.html
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 24 May 2018 11: 04
        +5
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        yes money to wane!

        At us, the FSIN spends 29 thousand rubles per penny on one prisoner. Per month. And few of them, more are asked.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 May 2018 11: 44
          +1
          Do you want to make an offer to get rid of the prisoners.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 24 May 2018 12: 56
            +10
            Quote: Vadim237
            Do you want to make an offer to get rid of the prisoners.

            Nah, you don’t need to get rid, but working out the feeding is the thing.
        2. Artem Popov
          Artem Popov 25 May 2018 16: 11
          +2
          of these 29 thousand 27 thousand - salaries of employees of the FSIN.
        3. Penguin
          Penguin 30 May 2018 23: 48
          0
          not the FSIN, but the state. FSIN like a Latvian .....
      2. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 24 May 2018 15: 49
        0
        And will we find working hands for this money?
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 24 May 2018 08: 02
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But on the other hand, will Russia pull one such costly construction today so that it does not affect the decline in the standard of living (and not so high) of its citizens?

      Is the bridge and the comfort of movement is not part of the standard of living ????
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 24 May 2018 11: 38
        +12
        The ferries Sakhalin-8 (1985), Sakhalin-9 (1986) and Sakhalin-10 (1992) go to Sakhalin. Could it be easier to update the composition of the vessels? And there will be people the comfort of a standard of living smile
        Why doesn't anyone mention old ferries? Because this is a real concern for the Sakhalin people, but do you need cuts for show-offs?
        1. credo
          credo 24 May 2018 13: 13
          +3
          Quote: Galleon
          The ferries Sakhalin-8 (1985), Sakhalin-9 (1986) and Sakhalin-10 (1992) go to Sakhalin. Could it be easier to update the composition of the vessels? And there will be people the comfort of a standard of living smile
          Why doesn't anyone mention old ferries? Because this is a real concern for the Sakhalin people, but do you need cuts for show-offs?

          Following your thoughtful reasoning, wherever bridges (or tunnels) are built, whether it be Russia, the USA, China, Japan or, for example, England and France, the initiators of these projects had only one thought - Cut the loot. It is a pity that it didn’t occur to you that it is economically more profitable to have a bridge or tunnel than a ferry crossing - the scale of transportation is not comparable. For example, take Moscow and deprive it of all the bridges over the water surface. The result will be simply impressive - the city will RISE.
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 24 May 2018 13: 43
            +17
            My reasoning follows from the fact that I lived in that area for 5 years and I understand quite well that this bridge is not needed precisely because of the scale of traffic. And the population there is only declining. Therefore, economically building a bridge there is just pouring money into the sand of the Tatar Strait. The fact that you chose Moscow as an example shows the abyss of your misunderstanding of the difference between Moscow and Sakhalin.
            There is a different life, other people, and time flows differently. For example: a common thing - I was late for the bus and the next one you wait an hour and a half. Wait for the ferry day. Wait a couple of days for flying weather. And nothing in nature rises, except for heavenly bodies and what is supposed for men.
            We do not have enough bridges on the Volga. How many ferry crossings operate at least on the section from Dubna to Yaroslavl, you know? Moreover, in some places the Volga simply divides the city in half. I am convinced that this project is a way to prevent the country from getting rich, to prevent people from healing a little better. Maybe it's better to get rid of collecting help for sick children via SMS? Refresh the training base in any technical school? Pave the asphalt to Vytegra or Medvezhyegorsk? You yourself live in Moscow, why do you need a bridge to Sakhalin if the locals say that it is not needed (Uncle Lee, for example)? Wake up, buddy.
            1. credo
              credo 24 May 2018 14: 54
              +2
              Quote: Galleon
              My reasoning follows from the fact that I lived in that area for 5 years and I understand quite well that this bridge is not needed precisely because of the scale of traffic. And the population there is only declining. Therefore, economically building a bridge there is just pouring money into the sand of the Tatar Strait. The fact that you chose Moscow as an example shows the abyss of your misunderstanding of the difference between Moscow and Sakhalin.
              There is a different life, other people, and time flows differently. For example: a common thing - I was late for the bus and the next one you wait an hour and a half. Wait for the ferry day. Wait a couple of days for flying weather. And nothing in nature rises, except for heavenly bodies and what is supposed for men.
              We do not have enough bridges on the Volga. How many ferry crossings operate at least on the section from Dubna to Yaroslavl, you know? Moreover, in some places the Volga simply divides the city in half. I am convinced that this project is a way to prevent the country from getting rich, to prevent people from healing a little better. Maybe it's better to get rid of collecting help for sick children via SMS? Refresh the training base in any technical school? Pave the asphalt to Vytegra or Medvezhyegorsk? You yourself live in Moscow, why do you need a bridge to Sakhalin if the locals say that it is not needed (Uncle Lee, for example)? Wake up, buddy.

              You are not original. You can believe it, you can’t believe it, but four years ago a couple of local residents of Adler tried to explain to me that much of what was done for the Sochi Olympics was not needed or needed at all, but it was done wrong or to a lesser extent. True, when they began to recall how it was before in a particular place in Big Sochi, it turned out that in fact there were more pluses.
              As for Sakhalin, yes, I haven’t been and haven’t lived there yet, but I did have time to live in places where the climate is harsh and you can get to the mainland once a month, because transport did not go more often, but people went there because there was an incentive.
              The same goes for Sakhalin. It is necessary to stimulate people to work and live in those places, and for this it is necessary to create infrastructure. It is necessary to build on the Volga and the Ob and on the Amur River and in Norilsk and Medvezhyegorsk, so that people live and develop those territories where they live from birth and do not break down in search of happiness in Moscow or St. Petersburg.
              Putin did not discover America in this regard, it was understood hundreds of years before him, but he does it and that’s right.
              1. Galleon
                Galleon 24 May 2018 15: 38
                +10
                It is necessary to stimulate people to work and live in those places, and for this it is necessary to create infrastructure.

                Infrastructure is not a bridge from nowhere to nowhere for anything, but education, medical care and culture. An incentive is a job that is well paid and interesting.
                You contradict yourself. Nothing special - most people who are not engaged in mental work do so, and half of those who are busy. By and large, I do not care what the country's money will go to, that's why I defend my point of view here. But if you show indifference, brush aside and tell you: hell with you, build - you will have neither infrastructure, nor incentive to live there, nor education. Medical aid will not return to the villages, the number of doctors will not increase, the denture will not be cheaper, because materials will always remain imported, etc., etc.
                You know, in psychology there is such a Dunning-Kruger rule. Here is your reasoning that illustrates this rule well.
                so that people live and develop those territories where they live from birth and not break down in search of happiness in Moscow or St. Petersburg

                it is necessary to change the system of filling budgets and cease to intentionally bankrupt local budgets, so that they do not show excessive independence, but more loyalty and the necessary percent of votes. Drive the fuck out of the Moscow jurisdiction "Rybinsk Motors", the shipyard "Vympel", etc. - otherwise Kalashnikov is building hydrofoils !! - laughter! They are building fishermen, and Muscovites are only painting letters on board!
                four years ago, a couple of local Adler residents tried to explain to me

                and couldn’t do anything. And I'm alone. But I don’t seem to be trying to explain - it would be useless - I simply reply to your remark without any hope of understanding.
                Aren't you Santa Claus? And then you are carrying some kind of continuous snowstorm!
                1. Megamarcel
                  Megamarcel 25 May 2018 07: 21
                  +4
                  Speak correctly. And those who support such projects are sitting on the content of those who come up with them.
                  1. Mechanic
                    Mechanic 25 May 2018 07: 47
                    +2
                    gentlemen are good, you reason well, but the fact that this project will develop the lower reaches of the Amur, where there is light in the villages from diesel engines and travel to the city only on winter roads. They live only by poaching. Moreover, both the embankment under the yellow road and the bulls under the bridges from the time of Stalin survived. Rails in the 90s for scrap
                    1. Victor N
                      Victor N 25 May 2018 10: 46
                      +1
                      It is necessary to develop territories, not a question. And it’s worth organizing a discussion on the feasibility study of the bridge, but so far it’s not there - it's empty talk. A lot of things need to be arranged in the country in order to live more comfortably. Need will and energy - each. In besieged Donetsk, trees and flowers are planted without compulsion. Create yourself a joy!
              2. naidas
                naidas 7 July 2018 19: 36
                0
                Quote: credo
                . It is necessary to stimulate people to work and live in those places, and for this it is necessary to create infrastructure.

                You are absolutely right - as an example, Russky Island, the population of 2002 - 5 inhabitants, and built a bridge in the amount of 204 billion rubles, and immediately the population flooded 32,2 - 2010 inhabitants.
                Putin did not discover America in this regard, it was understood hundreds of years before him, but he does it and that’s right.
            2. Author horror
              Author horror 24 May 2018 22: 15
              +1
              What a deep economic analysis! But who - from the seller or from the security guard of the Azov shopping center? Well this is what pearl of economic thought vegetates in the next shopping center.
              1. Galleon
                Galleon 31 May 2018 16: 27
                0
                You flatter me. I am the senior assistant of the younger janitor laughing
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 24 May 2018 15: 53
            +1
            It blew Pozner 90s. Well tell me, tell me how Western investors do not want to cut loot. Listen to retro.
    3. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 24 May 2018 08: 22
      +16
      All Putin, yes Putin !? Far from Putin to Joseph Vissarionovich, there is more PR, and in his mind is completely different. Putin is tearing a lot of what was created under Stalin!
      1. credo
        credo 24 May 2018 13: 24
        +6
        Quote: Evgeniy667b
        All Putin, yes Putin !? Far from Putin to Joseph Vissarionovich, there is more PR, and in his mind is completely different. Putin is tearing a lot of what was created under Stalin!

        I do not idealize Putin, I just suggest that you recall the “scale of state building and economic development” under Gorbachev or Yeltsin. Heaven and Earth.
        As for Stalin, under him both the country and the population were probably twice as large and the tasks were different and the impact on the population was steeper inside the country (the situation allowed). It’s a pity, of course, that much of what was inherited by Russia from the USSR but was destroyed, but this is primarily the work of Putin’s predecessors and not of himself. Breaking does not build, but he has to build it without affecting the population by the methods of the first five-year plans.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 24 May 2018 14: 34
        +6
        Flattery! banal Flattery corrupts anyone ... Not only our but also the Western media are well aware of this and sing about its significance in world politics.
        I believe that we began to live better than under the USSR, but do you understand the perspective has disappeared. Around there are Magnets, Auchans, Low prices, Ikea multinational corporations ... We lost the domestic market. It was not the interests of the country, our descendants or development prospects, but the interests of the simple consumer that came to the fore - and this is already an ideological loss. Oil will run out. Russia will run out.
        1. credo
          credo 25 May 2018 17: 31
          0
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Flattery! banal Flattery corrupts anyone ... Not only our but also the Western media are well aware of this and sing about its significance in world politics.
          I believe that we began to live better than under the USSR, but do you understand the perspective has disappeared. Around there are Magnets, Auchans, Low prices, Ikea multinational corporations ... We lost the domestic market. It was not the interests of the country, our descendants or development prospects, but the interests of the simple consumer that came to the fore - and this is already an ideological loss. Oil will run out. Russia will run out.

          We lower flattery.
          As for ideology, then I agree with you that Russia really returned to the ideology that existed before October 1917, only Putin has something to do with it. As far as I know, the authorities in the country then had completely different characters, and that is interesting all as one Communists and devoted Leninists. For less than a century, an experiment lasted that the party that had conceived it was cut to the bud, and its current bosses are all wealthy people and it’s clear that they don’t even think about returning to the bright past.
          So, we have survived capitalism, we have experienced socialism, and now we are again experiencing capitalism and seem to be moving in a spiral. Oil will end and we will survive it, because oil production on an industrial scale is only no more than 150 years old, which means that before that, mankind somehow lived without oil and did not lose heart.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 May 2018 07: 40
            +3
            Quote: credo
            mankind lived without oil and was not discouraged.

            laughing of course! dressed in natural furs, roads paved with natural stone, plowed horses
        2. naidas
          naidas 7 July 2018 19: 43
          +1
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I think that we began to live better than in the USSR

          But sometimes how you want to eat a piece of cheese and sausage with the quality of the USSR.
          And then, as in the joke about the Indians:
          - Soon we will have nothing to eat except excrement, but everyone knows where there are a lot of them (Auchans, Magnets, etc.).
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 7 July 2018 21: 13
            0
            Quote: naidas
            But sometimes how you want to eat a piece of cheese and sausage with the quality of the USSR.

            I almost cry myself sometimes
      3. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 24 May 2018 15: 53
        +3
        Well, what about the information on the tearing Putin to the site! Maybe I will be against it.
        1. Megamarcel
          Megamarcel 25 May 2018 07: 25
          +5
          Hammer and Sickle, ZIL, Moskvich, AvtoVAZ, etc. Something is generally destroyed precisely under it, something is transferred to the management of Western corporations.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 May 2018 07: 43
          +3
          Quote: serezhasoldatow
          Well, what about the information on the tearing Putin to the site! Maybe I will be against it.

          Instead of a site, take a better walk through a supermarket such as AUCHAN, and with your own eyes look at the currency pump in action, compare the volumes. And also .. look for new Russians who have disappeared somewhere.
        3. naidas
          naidas 7 July 2018 19: 44
          +1
          20 trust to help you and the criminal case against Putin No. 144128
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    4. Hottabych
      Hottabych 24 May 2018 09: 40
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      but even then, "something went wrong."

      Then people were starving and impractical. Now they want to build it more because of ties with Japan, and not because of ties with Sakhalin.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 24 May 2018 13: 10
        +3
        Quote: Hottabych
        Then people were starving and impractical.

        The construction of the tunnel, as well as the construction of the railway Salekhard-Igarka and even more 20 of the planned large projects related to the development of the North and the Far East were closed by the decision of the Politburo in 1955. I had somewhere an article listing the construction sites and the circumstances of their closure, but unfortunately I did not find it.
        1. dSK
          dSK 24 May 2018 22: 38
          0
          Quote: Captain45
          closed by decision of the Politburo in 1955
          Political prisoners at that time began to amnesty, and who remained - illiterate WECs?
          1. naidas
            naidas 7 July 2018 19: 47
            0
            According to the recollections of one of the young engineers Yu. A. Koshelev (a recent graduate of MIIT in 1951:
            In the spring of 1953, Stalin died. And after some time the construction was closed. Not curtailed, not preserved, namely closed. Yesterday we were still working, and today they said: “That's it, no more.” We never started tunneling. Although there was everything for this work: materials, equipment, machinery and good qualified specialists and workers. Many argue that the amnesty following the funeral of Stalin put an end to the tunnel - there was practically no one to continue the construction. It is not true. Of our eight thousand prematurely released, no more than two hundred left. And the remaining eight months were waiting for the order to resume construction. We wrote about this in Moscow, asked and begged. I think the cessation of the construction of the tunnel is some kind of wild, ridiculous mistake. After all, billions of rubles of folk money, years of desperate labor were invested in the tunnel. And most importantly - the country really needs a tunnel ...
    5. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 May 2018 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But on the other hand, will Russia today pull one such costly construction,

      pull under two conditions - the first that together with the bridge will carry the capital, the second: that all construction materials will be Russian. Then not only the bridge but the economy will be raised !! laughing
  3. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 24 May 2018 06: 31
    +3
    Under Stalin, such a project was poorly implemented. Materials and technology are not allowed.
  4. Amateur
    Amateur 24 May 2018 06: 33
    +4
    "And to them, residents of Sakhalin, believe me, I also really want to get in the car, fill up the tank and go without fuss with ferries." And the British want to. But cars are not allowed into the Eurotunnel.
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 24 May 2018 11: 41
      +3
      And you lived on Sakhalin, that you know what people really want there? Or just need to believe you?
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 24 May 2018 12: 23
        +2
        You want to say that people on Sakhalin do not need this bridge?
        Quote: Galleon
        Or just need to believe you?

        Even if you live or lived there and affirm the above, I would not believe you.
      2. Nehist
        Nehist 24 May 2018 23: 56
        +3
        Dear Galleon !!! A bridge to Sakhalin was needed yesterday. Then there would be no such outflow of population from the island and abandoned urban settlements, since such a bridge would simply force the authorities to develop infrastructure. About the ferries! They also sometimes have to wait for three or four days when the storm. In general, all three ferries that are now on the move are in a deplorable state. In Komsomolsk, it seems, two new people are standing. But given the speed with which ships are being built, they will be put into operation by 23-25, and there are not enough tickets for them. By plane, it’s a little expensive.
  5. Fox
    Fox 24 May 2018 06: 33
    +19
    carry goods ... carry goods ... what goods do we have ?! What can we offer our own (except for free timber and other raw materials) to Japan and Korea? prostitutes ride? or to build the most expensive bridge in the world? just to build, so that friends of Babos drank ...
    and all Putin’s decrees must be printed on toilet paper so that the population would read.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 24 May 2018 07: 24
      +3
      Quote: Fox
      what goods do we have

      actually Sakhalin is a salmon fish - from renewable resources
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 24 May 2018 07: 51
        +20
        Quote: aybolyt678
        it's a salmon fish

        No fish! Cut out the whole. The population will recover if you do not catch twenty years, but this will not happen. Farther. The bridge is good, but there is nothing to carry. Three ferries cope without stress. Gas comes from Prigorodny by gas carriers and threads from Okha. The forest remained only on cuttings. Coal from Shakhtyorsk goes over the hill by steamships. The Japanese will never build a bridge to Sakhalin - expensive (depth and strait more than 100m) and what to carry. and where ? In the USSR, a bridge was needed, freight turnover was not like that. There were about 100 steamboats in the NSR, and now a little more than 10 ... And that may go bankrupt. Question. What is the bridge for? On your car to shed on the mainland? Only who needs us there .....
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 24 May 2018 07: 59
          +2
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          No fish! Cut out the whole. The population will recover if you don’t catch for twenty years,

          you are something behind the times. The Americans have long since restored the Far Eastern salmon population. they built breeding grounds for fish where conditions were created for the preservation of caviar.
          I don’t know how on Sakhalin but Magadan has all the fish caught by the Chinese
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 24 May 2018 08: 08
            +11
            Quote: aybolyt678
            all fish caught by the Chinese

            We have our own catchers. Moscow ... And we have fish farms. Only the difference between wild and domestic salmon. And they do not restore the population.
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 24 May 2018 12: 25
              +1
              Grumblers turned around! laughing
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 24 May 2018 13: 34
                +5
                Quote: Hottabych
                Grumblers

                Screamers shouted!
                Chatterboxes loose!
                Signed pisuny!
                Noises made a noise!
                Clever people wise!
                Stupid fools!
                Galloped horses!
                etc.
                1. Hottabych
                  Hottabych 24 May 2018 14: 31
                  +1
                  In, dashed uncle Lee!
                  To hell with it, tell me?
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 24 May 2018 14: 53
                    +4
                    Quote: Hottabych
                    tell me

                    I will say it! Whatever your brains sour!
                    1. Hottabych
                      Hottabych 24 May 2018 14: 55
                      +1
                      So can they then be occupied with something?
                      1. Hottabych
                        Hottabych 24 May 2018 14: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Hottabych
                        So can they then be occupied with something?

                        I mean, something more intelligent. drinks laughing
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        2. Captain45
          Captain45 24 May 2018 13: 13
          +3
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          The population will recover if you do not catch twenty years, but this will not happen.

          Well, why? The Far Eastern sardine Iwashi, called herring, was not caught for 25 years and the population has recovered. Now they are starting industrial fishing.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 24 May 2018 13: 28
            +9
            Iwashi have a periodic approach. Dad said that one approach was before the war, the other was already in my memory in the 70s. Then the fish leaves. And salmon simply will not be allowed to restore the population - by human greed. Ichthyologists advise to stop fishing for 20-25 years.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 24 May 2018 23: 59
              +2
              So RUZi nafig must be prohibited !!! And then do not even enter the adjustable wrench into the rivers !!! And generally chopped salmon now :(
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 24 May 2018 15: 55
      +1
      And why do we need to carry something. From the depths in one gulp of "free forest and raw materials." And toilet paper will come in handy for sure.
  6. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 24 May 2018 06: 38
    +5
    ports of the island I can be excellent transshipment bases

    Sakhalin ports, having received a powerful impetus for development, we could in a short time at times increase transshipment of goods

    after the construction of the bridge speech can nearlygo to probably> about volumes that are many times, or even an order of magnitude

    It looks very much like manilism.
    Although I understand Sakhalin residents very well. In fact, people are simply cut off from the mainland, hence many problems.
    1. Bigbraza
      24 May 2018 07: 02
      +3
      This is not a manilov, it is realism in all its overt beauty. For they may or may not become - now as if we were throwing all the loot into the canal, is it Sakhalin?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 24 May 2018 18: 09
      +1
      Japan is also on islands, each of which is smaller than Sakhalin. And something no one spares them. winked
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 24 May 2018 22: 56
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Japan is also on the islands each of which is smaller than Sakhalin. And something no one spares them. winked

        Not right, raise the directories that show the area of ​​the three main Japanese islands and compare with the area of ​​Sakhalin.
  7. Jerk
    Jerk 24 May 2018 06: 55
    +14
    Complete nonsense. And "the ports of Sakhalin will unload the ports of Primorye" ... Ah, to build more ports? Warehouses, interchanges? Homes, hotels? Docks in the end! A button for 10 lard, and sew on her a jacket the size of the cost of building Vladik ... Logic.
    Dale: what is such a channel to the Sea of ​​Azov for multi-ton tankers with a draft of 10 m ?! wassat You’ll also deepen Azov’s, to the full width - 10 m there is nowhere at all lol
    That is why Nazar-bai was sent.
    1. Bigbraza
      24 May 2018 07: 01
      +5
      Ports do not need to build. On the construction of the port queue of investors, for that you do not worry.
      1. zhekazs
        zhekazs 24 May 2018 07: 27
        +5
        Quote: BigBraza
        Ports do not need to be built.

        Somewhere, maybe not. But in fact, many ports are killed there. Let them build, reconstruct, upgrade - people work, money "from the debt hole" to Russia.
      2. Jerk
        Jerk 24 May 2018 08: 45
        +4
        They correctly said - do not even build, but to rebuild, which is even more expensive. The Crimean bridge is of course a national project, but here the basis is that it will pay off quickly. And not only tourist flow and "export of coal." There are ready-made ports, especially Sevak, and I remember from the 90th that it related to us that even to Moscow 2/3 of the cargo by sea went not through close Peter, but through the far. Odessa, through customs - and everything is cheaper. Sevak of Odessa is closer - that’s the whole reason for the bridge. And besides Sevak - not a single sensible port is there in the region. And in the Far East there is, why this button with a jacket?
        Unprofitable stupid. There is nothing to get into populist projects, but you have to think what pays off and what doesn't. Even with access to Japan - will there be much use? We have such an awesome turnover?
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 24 May 2018 09: 44
          +7
          Meanwhile, the Sakhalin ports, having received a powerful impetus for development, could increase the transshipment of goods by several times in a short time by unloading the ports of Primorye to work in the Chinese and Korean directions and trade with other countries in the South Asia-Pacific region.

          The ports of Primorye would be provided with work themselves. The Vostochny port was conceived and built as the largest container terminal in the USSR. Now it is 30% loaded with work. Thank God there they close the coal terminal which carried out loading in an open way. (All the coal dust scattered across Wrangel) And there’s nothing more to ship.
        2. Hottabych
          Hottabych 24 May 2018 12: 29
          +3
          If Japan begins to build its part of the bridge, then the turnover will be. And if he doesn’t, then there will be no bridge to Sakhalin. I think so.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 09: 56
      +6
      Our will not build our Eurasian canal — it is economically harmful for Russia, since cargo transportation from China along the Bam and Transib, to Europe, will be reduced to zero - if the canal is launched.
  8. zhekazs
    zhekazs 24 May 2018 06: 58
    +15
    shift to the shoulders of private investors or poor Far Eastern regions.

    And why should the question be so? Sakhalin produces coal, timber, oil, gas, LNG is supplied to Japan, the region earns, income brings to the treasury, but this is not the point. Such infrastructure projects should be financed from the federal budget, not without attracting other sources of financing - private / state / foreign. I am not an economist, but I seem to understand that money should work, and not "lie in a debt hole," as the author writes. That they built a bridge to the Crimea, and that much money was stolen, as a percentage of the cost? Whether or not there was theft - let the prosecutor's office or the investigative committee with the FSB deal with this. But it’s worth considering how many contractors / subcontractors and industries (steel, concrete, asphalt, etc., and the same Kamaz plant — they bought new cars for the project) at this construction, they earned how many people, workers, engineers and so on, were provided with labor and salary. These "pit bucks" were involved in our economy, and not in the "dirty debt hole." The seven-kilometer bridge to the island itself may possibly come out as a 19-kilometer bridge to the Crimea, taking into account the Far Eastern logistics component, but again - the money will work with us, not the Fed, the Russian, and not the gaburger-eater. Plus access roads, automobile and railway, but it is necessary to do according to the version of the Crimean bridge, a double crossing, this will also raise costs. Well, let it be expensive, it will pay off for a long time, so what? All this will remain in our country and work for decades, specifically the people living in these territories will use bridges and roads, and will not magically disappear in the “debt hole”, which is what has been going on lately. And when such disputes enter the “top”, it is necessary or not to carry out such projects, or maybe it’s better to keep the money in the “black box office, in the debt hole”, well, we will tolerate the crisis, and then, wow, let's configure it .. ., then involuntarily the question arises for such "uncles upstairs" - and whose will you be, gentlemen? Whose mill do you want to pour water on and for whom do you work? To the American government and banks? Or do you have any relation to Russia and its people?
    One gets the impression that some people (they are still very often shown on television with very smart faces and slurred speeches) are specially given such a PM - no need to build anything in Russia, no need to invest in the Russian economy, everything is plundered, everything will be lost, more profitable and it is more reliable to keep earned money in Western banks, receive a percentage from this and rejoice at such an opportunity, because they give Russia real money.
    Stalin failed - Putin will do

    God give it! If Stalin had such a country (with such an economic potential and level of development as in our time), there is no doubt that he would have built everything that is needed. Well, and Putin, at least trying, is doing something and that plus, to him.
    PS In general, the conclusion is this: assigning Putin - his "main economists" with kicks, jogging and jumping into the exchanger, change the "bucks" and invest in construction and Russian the economy.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 24 May 2018 07: 20
      +11
      Quote: zhekazs
      PS In general, the conclusion is this: assigning Putin with his “main economists” kicks,.

      Putin does not give up. Unlike Stalin, cleaning does not bother
      1. zhekazs
        zhekazs 24 May 2018 07: 23
        +15
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Putin does not give up.

        It was high time for him to decide: who is his own, we are the people, or friends of the same schoolmates in the wrestling club.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 24 May 2018 08: 00
          +14
          Quote: zhekazs
          who has his own, we are people, or friends

          obviously it has long been decided
          1. Hottabych
            Hottabych 24 May 2018 12: 38
            +5
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Unlike Stalin, cleaning does not bother

            In the days of Stalin, you, for the words
            Quote: aybolyt678
            it has long been decided

            at best, they would make me work on Sakhalin ... lol
            Therefore, live, grumble and enjoy freedom of speech. wink
  9. Waltasar
    Waltasar 24 May 2018 06: 59
    +4
    Tankers of a hundred thousand tons in the Sea of ​​Azov will remain.
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 24 May 2018 09: 35
      +10
      I also want to speak, the author raves about the shipping channel for ships with hundreds !!! thousand tons. Nazarbayev blurted out and everyone supported! Yes, this is technically not possible. Where to get the volume of water for this channel ?! Stock Don ate enough to ensure its shipping. The canal was conceived along the Manch depression, the level of the Caspian is noticeably lower than the global ocean, you can’t save enough water for this canal. Moreover, the maximum depth of the Sea of ​​Azov is 13,5 meters; what for, this channel is not needed.
      1. zhekazs
        zhekazs 24 May 2018 13: 29
        +4
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        the level of the Caspian is noticeably lower than the oceans, you can’t save water on this channel. Moreover, the maximum depth of the Sea of ​​Azov is 13,5 meters; what for, this channel is not needed.

        I do not want to google, but somewhere there were references to the fact that the Turks were also not enthusiastic about the passage of tankers through the Bosphorus, especially gas carriers - floating bombs, one might even say there was a ban on their passage.
  10. Bigbraza
    24 May 2018 07: 04
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Of course, on the one hand, Sakhalin needs a connection to the mainland, not only the ferry, which depends on the weather and the possibilities of the ferries. But on the other hand, will Russia today draw one such expensive construction project so that it does not affect the fall in the standard of living (and so not high) of its citizens?

    read the article please
  11. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 24 May 2018 07: 18
    +13
    from the whole article I especially liked the phrase about Moscow experts who do not go anywhere except abroad.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 May 2018 07: 29
    +13
    The author is by accident not called Ostap Bender? He perfectly described the appearance of New Vasyukov.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 May 2018 07: 33
    +15
    I agree with the author. This level of drug addiction, the homeless under Stalin was not, failed.
    1. Loess
      Loess 24 May 2018 08: 28
      +8
      Yes, yes, and even under Stalin, disgruntled whiners of various kinds worked for the good of the country and kept quiet) What do you dislike? A large-scale project, the construction of infrastructure, tens of thousands of jobs, the development of their own territories, the loading of their own industry ... All that you required in your comments is again wrong?) Or are you from
      "Experts", many of whom leave Moscow only abroad,
      ?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 May 2018 14: 15
        +5
        Large-scale project, infrastructure construction
        for what? For example, the East was built, but the workers forgot to pay salaries, there is no money for the people, I raise the retirement age. Why is this all happening? Why is nothing done for the good of the people?
        1. Loess
          Loess 24 May 2018 14: 48
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          for what?
          And for the sake of what they built the Belomor Canal, the Volga-Don Canal? Why did they build the Trans-Siberian Railway and the Baikal-Amur Mainline, the Volga and Bratsk hydroelectric power stations? Why did they eliminate illiteracy and build hospitals, schools and kindergartens? What was Siberia mastered for? What is the Northern Delivery for? What was Baikonur built for? Crimean bridge, what is it for? What is communism built for?
          Quote: Gardamir
          Why is nothing done for the good of the people?

          "And you do not confuse your personal coat with the state."
          If something that is being done in the country is not specifically needed by you, this does not mean at all that this is not necessary.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 24 May 2018 15: 01
            +7
            you don’t need specifically, this does not mean that you do not need to do this.
            Specifically, I do not need treasure. But specifically, I need hospital schools, otherwise we have hospitals, they replace churches. I do not need shopping centers in such quantity.
            By the way, all that you have listed above is the merit of socialism, not capitalism dear to you., And they are building a bridge to Sakhalin to continue to Japan. And we hope to find out about the islands soon.
            My personal wool is pensions in 15 thousand, and state wool is the overwhelming salaries of top managers of extractive industries.
            1. Loess
              Loess 24 May 2018 15: 20
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              By the way, all that you have listed above is the merits of socialism, and not capitalism dear to you.,

              How do you know what is sweet to me and what is not? And if you know that these are the achievements of socialism (by the way the Trans-Siberian Railway is the merit of tsarism), you should remember that some of these construction projects were carried out under Stalin.
              Quote: Gardamir
              Specifically, I do not need treasure. But specifically I need hospital schools

              I did not ask what you personally needed. I asked what these construction sites were for, just as you asked why to build a bridge.
              Quote: Gardamir
              and a bridge to Sakhalin is being built to continue to Japan.

              And did they build a bridge to the Crimea to continue to Ukraine? Or immediately to continue through the English Channel to the British Isles? It does not matter where the continuation will be, it is important that there will be a bridge to Sakhalin. It is difficult to develop territories if there is no transport accessibility to them.
              Quote: Gardamir
              My personal wool is pensions in 15 thousand, and state wool is the overwhelming salaries of top managers of extractive industries.

              My parents have a lower pension, but they do not whine or nod at the "tops".
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 24 May 2018 17: 31
                +4
                How do you know what is sweet to me and what is not?
                You so vehemently defend capitalism. By the way, they have already written here the bridge is needed to carry goods and people. But even ferries now go half empty.
                And if you gentlemen, the bourgeoisie has nowhere to put money, and you supposedly care about Russia. Then build not shopping centers, but scientific and industrial ones.
                And you argue for the sake of argument. In all your messages, don’t touch St. Putin, but Russia needs this bridge, for you the tenth thing.
          2. naidas
            naidas 7 July 2018 20: 06
            0
            Quote: Less
            And for the sake of what they built the Belomor Canal, the Volga-Don Canal? Why did they build the Trans-Siberian Railway and the Baikal-Amur Mainline, the Volga and Bratsk hydroelectric power stations? Why did they eliminate illiteracy and build hospitals, schools and kindergartens? What was Siberia mastered for? What is the Northern Delivery for? What was Baikonur built for? Crimean bridge, what is it for? What is communism built for?

            And I’m still wondering why they built a bridge on Russky Island for 32 billion rubles, and the population is 5 thousand. If they gave the population equally to everyone with money, then the population did not spit on this bridge.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 7 July 2018 21: 15
              +1
              Quote: naidas
              And I’m still thinking why they built a bridge on Russky Island for 32 billion rubles.

              The bridge is a military infrastructure. Military Logistics
  14. Altona
    Altona 24 May 2018 07: 47
    +20
    The peculiarity of our economy is that now it is not a planned economy as under Stalin Dash Brezhnev, which totally took into account all the needs of the country, from socks to icebreakers. Now it’s a “project economy”, that is, those in power have taken over the powers that be to stir up the project, that will work, will not take over. The projects will be of course, because the larger the project, the more you can steal from it. But to drag the economy with just one “project” is wrong; there must be planning and consideration of all the needs of the state. But the state of Putin has actually destroyed, everywhere some services, forests and rivers are not protected, no one listens to people. So recently in Vladimir they threw 900 people into the street, closed the Avtopribor plant, which made popular products. Is that right? This, incidentally, is the class struggle of capital against the working class.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 24 May 2018 08: 19
      +10
      Quote: Altona
      Just recently, in Vladimir, 900 people were thrown out into the street, the Avtopribor factory was closed, which made popular products

      The largest dairy plant Isilkulsky was also closed in the Omsk region. Really "Time Forward and BACK"
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 09: 58
      +2
      If he made popular products, then why did he close?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 24 May 2018 11: 36
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        If he made popular products, then why did he close?

        there’s a muddy story - the brand "morning dawn" was bought out by the Wimbildan company and in its stores there were still a lot although the plant stood.
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 24 May 2018 07: 48
    +11
    but you cannot "reconstruct" the river
    .... It is possible, but too costly .. a decrease in river traffic than is due to a decrease in the depths along the fairway. and what is the reason, with drifts, river clogging, river cleaning and dredging was probably not carried out for 30 years ... The river ports on numerous rivers of our country were city-forming enterprises .... In addition, many small rivers flowing into navigable rivers are smaller silt, water flow into the main artery decreases .. Of course, it’s cheaper to dig a canal from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea, you can earn on it later, but unless the loot is restored, you can cut it, but everything will remain the same ..
    1. alstr
      alstr 24 May 2018 10: 34
      +9
      River restoration is primarily a forest plantation along them, as well as in catchment areas.

      And they, even if planted, then 30 years must wait until they grow up. and the same amount (at least for recovery)

      It should be borne in mind that the main rivers in Soviet times were cleaned. And now it’s not for anyone - it’s expensive.
      1. -Pollux
        -Pollux 26 May 2018 12: 05
        0
        Quote: alstr
        River restoration is primarily a forest plantation along them, as well as in catchment areas.

        Forests are water generators. It is necessary to create forests on hills, hills and so on.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 May 2018 12: 25
          +1
          Quote: Pollux
          Forests are water generators. It is necessary to create forests on hills, hills and so on.

          HOW to bring these thoughts to Putin, what would give the task to the corrupt forestry enterprises to plant trees ???
          1. -Pollux
            -Pollux 26 May 2018 13: 04
            0
            Quote: aybolyt678
            HOW to bring these thoughts to Putin, what would give the task to the corrupt forestry enterprises to plant trees ???

            It is a difficult question, because at least one third of the agricultural land will have to be withdrawn for forest planting. On the other hand, the benefits of climate improvement are hard to overestimate.
  16. Altona
    Altona 24 May 2018 07: 48
    +3
    Quote: zhekazs
    The seven-kilometer bridge to the island itself may possibly come out as a 19-kilometer bridge to the Crimea

    ----------------------------
    The funny thing is that the bridge to the Crimea in the surface part also has approximately the same distance, most of the bridge goes along the island of Tuzla.
  17. sevtrash
    sevtrash 24 May 2018 08: 03
    +3
    It is clear that the end does not justify the means. Even China is in no hurry to send goods by rail to Europe, although geographically and as a train could. But it is not profitable and the speed of movement of goods along the railway turned out to be low.
    In the future, of course you need. But how many more bridges are needed in the mainland, a much smaller length and greater need.
  18. Altona
    Altona 24 May 2018 08: 44
    +2
    Quote: parusnik
    It is possible, but too costly .. a decrease in river traffic than is due to a decrease in the depths along the fairway. and what it is connected with, drifts, clogging of rivers, river cleaning and dredging was probably not carried out for 30 years ...

    -----------------------------------
    Water transport and river transport in particular is generally one of the cheapest modes of transport; in the same Germany it is highly developed and in demand. This is also part of our Slavic and Finno-Ugric culture. The river is on the road in winter. The river is a natural barrier from the enemy, it is easier to migrate, trade along the river and everything else.
    In Chuvashia, in particular, the river map has changed a lot, small rivers have disappeared due to the construction of the Cheboksary hydroelectric station, which, although it works, is not officially put into operation. And there, with the rise of the level, not everything is clear either, it is still underestimated in comparison with the design one so as not to flood another part of the territories.
  19. Moore
    Moore 24 May 2018 08: 53
    +8
    ... just compare the roughly ten billion dollars that will be required for the construction and the four hundred and fifty billion gold and foreign exchange reserves, a fair amount of which is piled in an American debt hole

    "Apalytically reasoning, destroying ..." (C)
    From the point of view of the Kudrinskaya gang, investing in your projects is the way to increase inflation. But what about? Contractors will receive money, workers with engineers, too - how will they get rich ... Not, ".. I can’t understand this ..." (C).
  20. Victor N
    Victor N 24 May 2018 09: 18
    +9
    For the sake of the Caspian states, to build a canal to their own detriment - this is a vain sadomasochism - they will not say thanks. Unless Nazarbayev personally handed over the ports of the United States, and they will drive the fleet through the Russian channel. Better let the neighbors attend to the canal through Iran to the Persian Gulf.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 24 May 2018 10: 20
      +7
      I think the same. The channel will be tagged with "international significance" and through the UN they will break through international control over it. And how to control without Glavnyukov? They have everywhere "national interests", where a crack appeared - there boots.
  21. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 May 2018 10: 16
    +7
    Stalin failed - Putin will do

    Did you go to school?
    Stalin knew everything. The bridge to Sakhalin, like 2 fingers ... But he didn’t let anyone bury money, steal, steal money.
    Yes, he had no time. Preparing for war, war, rebuilding a country, peaceful atom, missile shield ....
    Carrots in the face of Japan can be driven for 100 years. The eyes are narrow, which is not visible in them. No, we don’t need a bridge yet, the Chinese aircraft carrier will go, demolish the bridge and make it worse. Ally, sorry. feel
    Spilling something strategic!
  22. sarissa
    sarissa 24 May 2018 10: 29
    +2
    Gentlemen, what are we talking about? Yes, nothing. Different historical epochs, different resources, different states. Time poses certain imperial tasks. We decided, we got stronger; we didn’t decide, we lost our positions. So, anyway, but there’s always a waste It is regrettable, but these are human destinies, abruptly implicated in selfish interest. For example, the Soviets were taught IDEA, collectivism, and non-lousy ones - MONEY. Nu, nude, wait.
  23. thinker
    thinker 24 May 2018 10: 41
    +3
    Quote: siberalt
    The double-track tunnel under the English Channel is 51 km. The Nevel Strait to Sakhalin is about 8 km. Depth is 8-10 meters. For metro builders, the task is not the most difficult. winked

    A very interesting and convincing article on this subject is
    Such a commitment by government structures to giant bridges is somewhat surprising. Firstly, at the current level of technology development, the cost of building tunnels and bridges is not only comparable, but often the construction of the tunnel is cheaper.


    http://undergroundexpert.info/opyt-podzemnogo-str
    oitelstva / poslednie-sobytiya / sahalin-most /
  24. Galleon
    Galleon 24 May 2018 11: 07
    +11
    Author! Vitya! Before you write frank nonsense and drop yourself in the eyes of strangers - go to Sakhalin, talk with the locals: do they need this bridge or not? How much population is there at all. Take a train from Vanino to Komsomolsk, see the railway. Breathtaking from straight lines through the mountains on your map! Do you propose loading Kholmsk and the South ports by road from the mainland? How is your health in general? haven't been on vacation for a long time? There is another way to make those people happy - to take one thousandth of the billions planned for theft at a construction site and share it with all residents of Sakhalin and Vanino-Sovgavan. Thanks to the state, they will be able to go on vacation to the west.
    And it is better to put a normal road to Yakutsk.
    Sorry for the familiarity - but I really deserve it.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 11: 50
      +4
      A bridge to Sakhalin is needed and the new transport lines are the same.
      1. naidas
        naidas 7 July 2018 20: 10
        0
        still need a flyover to the North Pole, so that tourists on Lada Kalina move around.
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 24 May 2018 16: 03
      +7
      I agree. Under the manilovshchina of the Sakhalin bridge - a real cut. With the population density of the Far East that tsarist times cannot catch up with, building a powerful infrastructure NOW is some kind of nonsense. WHO will we build for? Real for Chinese, Japanese. Indeed, it would be better to have a tight ferry service established, new ferries built, increased seaworthiness. They would ride the same yap. We will build bridges with roads in semi-desert regions, what will we maintain? How did these pseudo-market managers in the government get out of the "Club of Putin Lovers"? It’s time for everyone to give one unit to his brother.
  25. boriz
    boriz 24 May 2018 11: 47
    +2
    Some kind of small-town understanding of the role of these bridges. These bridges are part of the transit route past Suez and China (including the road to South Korea). This is a super project, a national idea for Russia for the coming decades.
    1. Waltasar
      Waltasar 24 May 2018 13: 20
      +7
      Quote: boriz
      These bridges are part of the transit route past Suez and China.

      Sorry what?
      How will the Crimean bridge and the potential bridge to Sakhalin bypass the Suez Canal and China? This is where and where to go?
  26. g1v2
    g1v2 24 May 2018 13: 01
    +4
    The Far East must be raised. And people will have to be resettled there too. That means building the infrastructure there is now necessary. The situation when 75 percent of the population is crowded in 25 percent of the territory is abnormal. According to all forecasts, Southeast Asia will be the economic locomotive of the 21st century. And that means our Far East can also rise on this, and that means the whole country. But for this we need infrastructure there. First of all, transport. Our share of the territory comfortable for living is not so great. Comrade Sakhalin needs to be developed. And the bridge also needs to be built. Moreover, in the coming years there is still time for such projects and the state has money.
    This will pay off the development of the region’s economy. Although it is clear that it will pay off for many years. But we must understand that this money will go to our own metallurgical companies and builders. That is, it provides orders for many enterprises and firms where people work. Building infrastructure is always beneficial. Well, talkers calling to give money to “pregnant retirees” to listen to is the last thing. If you listen to them, then nothing will be done in the country and nothing will remain after us. Th my IMHO - it is necessary to build after the end of the Crimean bridge.
    1. zhekazs
      zhekazs 24 May 2018 13: 46
      +2
      Quote: g1v2
      Th my IMHO - it is necessary to build after the end of the Crimean bridge.

      I will support. Let money not be in banks in the west, but work for our country. Yes, and people there will be more comfortable life. Yes, even if they only lay the railway passage in the tunnel, this will already reduce the cost of transporting goods. We live once, so why save on what people need for the comfort of life now, and even descendants will remain for many decades.
    2. asv363
      asv363 25 May 2018 02: 10
      +4
      Well, talkers calling to give money to “pregnant retirees” to listen to is the last thing.

      Do not offend pensioners, many have given all their strength for the good of our country. And in old age they deserve decent pensions. You at least know that even Sobes now provides paid services - i.e. Do they have to pay for going to the store?
    3. naidas
      naidas 7 July 2018 20: 18
      0
      And for me it’s better to give money to pregnant women and pensioners, although the money will be spent in Russia, and Putin’s people will not take it out as a profit.
      On October 19.10.2015, 6, the Rotenbergs withdrew $XNUMX billion from Russia, the Bloomberg agency published this information.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 7 July 2018 21: 17
        +1
        Quote: naidas
        But for me it’s better to give money to pregnant women and pensioners, although the money will be spent in Russia,

        Pregnant women will buy imported diapers and pensioners will import drugs, and again all the money abroad! wassat Are you probably a foreign spy?
        1. naidas
          naidas 8 July 2018 22: 58
          0
          Quote: aybolyt678
          will buy

          Well, if you buy imports, too, it’s not bad, taxes will go to the state, and there will be demand — there will be supply, just like diapers and medicines are produced in Russia.
          But withdrawing money to the authorities and their friends for the Russian economy is much worse.
          Yes, and better spies with care for the elderly and pregnant than lovers of offshore.
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 8 July 2018 16: 28
        0
        Why not 60 - write more, the Internet will endure everything. Do not be shy in the numbers. wink
  27. Galleon
    Galleon 24 May 2018 13: 51
    +3
    How interesting to read the comments when there lived some part of his life! What a gorgeous question raised! The ability to give answers without thinking, without looking at the map, without making some inquiries, if there is no personal experience, is amazing. I would include this question in tests for admission to work or at a psychiatrist: a positive answer is a positive diagnosis, a negative answer is held by a person, still adequate.
    1. Bigbraza
      24 May 2018 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: Galleon
      How interesting to read the comments when there lived some part of his life! What a gorgeous question raised! The ability to give answers without thinking, without looking at the map, without making some inquiries, if there is no personal experience, is amazing. I would include this question in tests for admission to work or at a psychiatrist: a positive answer is a positive diagnosis, a negative answer is held by a person, still adequate.

      What a strange pattern - it is worthwhile to touch on a topic that is really painful for the West, as such an obsessed truth-loser necessarily appears under the article. What, in Langley in front of the article ticked?
      Do not worry - we will build the bridge and turn England into a glass desert, and we will recognize sovereign Texas in 15 years. Then we will buy the archives of the CIA, so do not play too hard - we will find, we will punish.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 24 May 2018 15: 15
        +5
        Moscow, Azov 24 k.3 - I work here, come. I have never been afraid of fools, but it is too late to start being afraid. Just keep in mind - teach people like you.
        1. Warrior Hamilton
          Warrior Hamilton 24 May 2018 15: 45
          +3
          You are a brave man, respect! hi
        2. Bigbraza
          24 May 2018 17: 56
          +2
          Quote: Galleon
          Moscow, Azov 24 k.3 - I work here, come. I have never been afraid of fools, but it is too late to start being afraid. Just keep in mind - teach people like you.

          and above wrote about retirement in 15 thousands, an employee. and you can name a million addresses from the bald - the probability that someone will come, 0,000000001%. But in the arsenal of offices this method of "persuasion" also exists. you scorch, the curator will scold.
        3. Author horror
          Author horror 24 May 2018 22: 04
          +2
          Such as you, dear, half of Moscow come in large numbers. They fled to Nerezinovsk and scammed from there, as it is bad in the rest of the country. It's disgusting to talk to such people. As you drop your hands in the dirt.
        4. SEER
          SEER 31 May 2018 16: 23
          0
          Quote: Galleon
          Moscow, Azov 24 k.3

          Of the manufacturers there is only a jewelry factory. everything else ... well, I know.
          why didn’t you stay on Sakhalin? how did the smartest decide to sell his pens more expensively in the capital? But what about fellow countrymen?
      2. naidas
        naidas 7 July 2018 20: 20
        0
        Quote: BigBraza
        Don’t worry - we’ll build a bridge and turn England into a glass desert, and we will recognize sovereign Texas in 15 years.

        Well, so far, with future retirees, a million each.
  28. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 24 May 2018 14: 12
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: apro
    The name is provocative. It is somehow not entirely correct to compare what IVS Stalin did or did not ... so his success is undeniable. And the tunnel to Sakhalin would have been punched if not for the leader’s death.

    They only closed the tunnel to Sakhalin, and even the largest construction projects - immediately after death.
    There was no strength, no means.


    There was no brain, no will and fear lost!
  29. zenion
    zenion 24 May 2018 14: 23
    +1
    This is all the same project that Nikolai the Second began, or his third project is still the same.
  30. tank66
    tank66 24 May 2018 14: 25
    +3
    The bridge is in any way necessary / as are the roads to it from both sides /. Although, in order for the construction to give work to Mongim people and enterprises. And the infrastructure of Sakhalin needs to be developed. Damn. Japa over the period of ownership of half, so managed they fed the mainland empire with island seafood and fertilizers, and they set up pretty heavy deliveries to the states. We have focused on salmon since the Soviet era. Take away right now RUZs / fish-counting barriers, but actually fences for simplified capture-destruction of broodstock / - and the number of Okhotsk herd in 5 -6 years will be restored. And while catching, with the emphasis on the fact that they almost do not "milk" / like narrow-eyed 3 million centners per year / - flounder and herring. However, because of Fukushima, it can’t be eaten, just they don’t tell us.
    1. tank66
      tank66 24 May 2018 14: 37
      +2
      If Che - that’s how they consider fish, where can it come from then ... and these RUZs on all previously rich rivers.

  31. kig
    kig 24 May 2018 14: 31
    +9
    In addition to the political component and prestige of the country, there is still such a thing as economic feasibility. You can, of course, don't give a damn about it and swell countless billions into political prestige.

    there is nothing to bring to and from Sakhalin in such a volume - absolutely right. The author probably does not know that during the times of the USSR, the Vanino-Kholmsk ferry service operated, on which 10 ferries operated. Each capacity was 28 wagons and 120 passengers, and they went on a strict schedule. Now there are three of them left, and one is redone for the transportation of fuel in tanks and does not carry passengers. Schedules no longer exist, they go "to fill." No cargo.

    ports of the island can become excellent transshipment bases in trade with Japan, USA, Canada - broadcast nonsense. The USA and Canada perfectly carry goods by sea directly to Japan and China without any transshipment. Or do you mean our cargo for these countries? Coal, gas and oil are transported without any problems by tankers, bulk carriers and gas carriers from Nakhodka, Vladivostok and Sakhalin (oil and gas). But there are no other cargoes! Oh, I forgot - we are still transporting scrap metal. And roundwood (that is, raw materials for the furniture industry in China, Korea and Japan). Well, imagine that the United States and Canada suddenly decided to transship cargo in Sakhalin ports. Do you know the performance of these ports? And in what condition is their infrastructure? Yes, there you need twice as much money than on the Crimean bridge.

    But not everything can probably be measured by the economy
    - and in vain.
  32. Radical
    Radical 24 May 2018 15: 02
    +4
    Stalin failed - Putin will do
    The implementation of this project in the form of a tunnel under the strait began under Stalin. But then “something went wrong,” and the construction of the century was stopped. Then, periodically, there was talk of construction, but they didn’t go beyond them.
    A country that, after the most devastating war in its history, had just begun to recover, lacked just the strength and resources for everything! The author of the article does not know this, or does not want to know? sad
  33. Radical
    Radical 24 May 2018 15: 07
    +2
    In this connection, many commentators, including officials, try to link this project with the parallel construction of an even more epochal transport transition from Sakhalin to Hokkaido. Now, if they say, the Japanese would show interest in this project and, on their part, would make a transition, then it would immediately become very profitable. And without the Japanese, the crocodile on Sakhalin is not caught, and the coconut doesn’t grow there ...
    Only enemies can reason like this ... sad
  34. Radical
    Radical 24 May 2018 15: 19
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    A bridge to Sakhalin is needed and the new transport lines are the same.

    What is needed is not a bridge, but a tunnel! The bridge from a military point of view is a priority target for destruction! A bridge to Sakhalin is not a simple bridge across some stinky river, but even across a large river - the Volga, Irtysh, etc. A bridge to Sakhalin is hundreds of billions of rubles. And with a few missile and bomb strikes, these billions that they spent on it can be sent to the bottom! Of course, if someone has in mind "surrender" Sakhalin, or even the country. then it is clear... . sad
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 24 May 2018 16: 09
      0
      Although the tunnel is not so difficult to destroy. It would be a desire. But such desires must be repulsed and the neighbors accustomed to the idea that we must live together. And Moscow that the Far East needs to be developed not only by megaprojects.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 16: 45
      0
      The tunnel can be destroyed by an anti-bunker bomb, even under water - as a knife goes into the oil.
  35. Makso melan
    Makso melan 24 May 2018 15: 20
    0
    They would make the purchase of ships and small private aircraft more affordable. So that people build themselves, they can buy and use it.
  36. Warrior Hamilton
    Warrior Hamilton 24 May 2018 15: 39
    +3
    Stalin failed - Putin will do
    Clearly, Putin: "He took Russia with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb." Again, manipulation and thimble, again another ode ...... Not tired?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 24 May 2018 16: 06
      +3
      If the guarantor, then yes! And your sarcasm in relation to Stalin and that era is small, before you "giants" tried, but all in vain. One of them, a certain Svanidze, tirelessly produces bile and spits saliva from the screens.
      1. Warrior Hamilton
        Warrior Hamilton 24 May 2018 16: 22
        0
        Do not look for a black cat at night in a dark room, read carefully! hi
        Do you want, I will answer in your words: "
        Quote: NordUral
        Putting Stalin and this liberalist alongside is not scientific.
        "
    2. Bigbraza
      24 May 2018 18: 01
      +3
      Quote: Warrior Hamilton
      Stalin failed - Putin will do
      Clearly, Putin: "He took Russia with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb." Again, manipulation and thimble, again another ode ...... Not tired?

      And Yeltsin accepted the country with vouchers for sugar and vodka, and left it with the Internet and mobile phones. And what, Yeltsin is great? No, dear, it is you who play thimbles with your quote.
      1. Warrior Hamilton
        Warrior Hamilton 24 May 2018 19: 45
        +2
        No matter how hard they try, they don’t put on the overcoat of the Generalisimus from someone else’s shoulder for "it’s too small." There is no desire to answer stupid hookers. I highlighted my opinion in bold. I have no questions for you .... bully
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 22: 39
      0
      Putin took Russia with nuclear weapons, and left with hypersonic weapons and thermonuclear energy.
      1. Warrior Hamilton
        Warrior Hamilton 25 May 2018 00: 51
        +4
        First, people need to populate Siberia and the Far East. Not migrant migrant workers and Chinese, but citizens of the country. To give them a job and a normal life, so that they work and breed for the good of the motherland, and do not go to the "north" for a long ruble in dog conditions. Make banks work for Russia, and not for the Rodschilds and their own pocket. A bunch of crooks have been manipulating the country for nearly thirty years, shamelessly exploiting the achievements of the country that they have ruined. A huge country with empty territories, drove recently, where people lived, there the wind blows .... Curl here, like grouse on a current, you only hear yourself ....
        And about:
        Quote: Vadim237
        will leave with hypersonic weapons and thermonuclear energy.

        the proverb is this: "Do not say gop until you jump over." or "Wait and See"
      2. asv363
        asv363 25 May 2018 03: 11
        +4
        Under the USSR, academician Velikhov still circulated free electricity from TOKAMAKs. He, as far as I know, is still alive.

        Of international projects, ITER is known, but before 2025 they did not promise anything there. In addition, this is a research project, there is no current collection there. Only water cooling, no generation.

        Based on the foregoing, what kind of peaceful thermonuclear fusion can be expected?
  37. NordUral
    NordUral 24 May 2018 16: 01
    +9
    Putting Stalin and this liberalist alongside is not scientific. There is no reason for this yet! There is practically no industrialization and everything that develops in parallel with industry (academic, applied science, R&D, etc.)! The country’s territory is not preserved (there is no increase and redi, and it’s not necessary), but, on the contrary, it has decreased over the years in power. And what is looking ahead, does not inspire optimism.
    History will put its marks on deeds, not words and promises. Stalin has the highest score in any evaluation system, and his achievements in the economy are unparalleled. It’s a pity, it’s a pity that he did not have time to consolidate the success of the 40-50s!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 22: 41
      +1
      Under Putin, a lot of things were done and under him, Russia increased territorially.
  38. Apollo
    Apollo 24 May 2018 16: 34
    +3
    Putin gravitates toward forgotten Soviet projects, completely ignoring the fact that the image of the state in the world is primarily determined by the standard of living, and not by the number of bridges. The Russian Far East can get a chance of global development only as part of China. Sad but true. As part of the Russian Federation, it is doomed to further stagnation and migration of the population to the west of the country, which is really happening.
    With our dilapidated industry and infrastructure of the overwhelming majority of regions, the next expensive project is a gift from the good king to his "boyars, bridge builders", which is presented against the background of Russian poverty and the untidy country as a whole. Indeed, the main gesheft from these construction projects is received by contracting companies and there is nothing to be done about it.
  39. AsKet84
    AsKet84 24 May 2018 17: 07
    +1
    The bridge to Sakhalin is the dream of many generations of Far Eastern Russians, at least to control local thieving officials!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 22: 44
      +1
      Now, if Putin were to revive supersonic passenger aircraft, then it would be possible to control the Ural Siberian and Far Eastern officials during the day.
    2. kig
      kig 26 May 2018 15: 30
      +4
      Quote: AsKet84
      The bridge to Sakhalin is the dream of many generations of Far Eastern Russians

      The bridge across the Golden Horn has been the dream of several generations of Vladivostok residents since Khrushchev inadvertently compared it to San Francisco. The dream came true, and what's the point? Traffic jams have moved to the bridge, because you have to move out of it to the same narrow streets covered with pits. Of course, he is beautiful, and with him it is better than without him, but if the money that had been secured on bridges were launched into the city infrastructure, it would be much better. But then there would be nothing to show the APEC guests. Who stayed in the city for exactly a week.
      1. turbris
        turbris 28 May 2018 12: 59
        +1
        And who is stopping the development of urban infrastructure now? Or again, the whole of Russia to take for Vladivostok? Perhaps it is possible for the local authorities themselves to do this, or is someone interfering? Ahh! I understand that again Putin should plan an APEC summit so that pits can be closed up on the streets of Vladivostok, do you understand what you wrote?
        1. kig
          kig 28 May 2018 14: 25
          +1
          Quote: turbris
          do you understand what you wrote?

          Of course, but you do not seem to.
  40. Tektor
    Tektor 24 May 2018 17: 27
    +2
    It is necessary to build a bridge to Sakhalin. And the ports on Sakhalin.
    Channel - I do not know, there is not enough information.
  41. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 24 May 2018 18: 13
    +3
    One and a half trillion of today's project ruble, if divided by half a million residents of Sakhalin - how much will it cost? Maybe it’s easier to give out a million - they themselves will figure out what to buy - Kawsaki or a helicopter.
    Again, where are the people (frames) that will be - not by night will be mentioned! - build this road? Kebab-mashlyk? And to contain all this infrastructure? Russian Railways is shocked by new initiatives of the "new" government.
  42. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 May 2018 19: 40
    +3
    Stalin failed - Putin will do

    Here I would write tolerantly:
    Stalin did not - Putin will do
    and would live for another hundred years not spat upon.
    For the sake of a red word, he will not regret his father, or is liberal rushing?
    1. asv363
      asv363 25 May 2018 04: 00
      +2
      Then the header would look better:

      Did not have time to do Stalin - Putin will do
  43. datura23
    datura23 24 May 2018 19: 44
    0
    ZEKI would have looked nice with picks in the Caspian steppes
  44. A.Kaledin
    A.Kaledin 24 May 2018 20: 21
    0
    The author just shakes hands!
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  46. Giants
    Giants 24 May 2018 21: 03
    +5
    The author, I’ll tell you what is best done with 600 billion rubles. For this amount, set up cheap housing for young families so that they live and breed. THIS is the national interest of Russia, and not in the next crazy Sochi.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 22: 47
      +1
      There will be a bridge and a transport system — local production will be opened on Sakhalin: mining, processing, and production jobs will appear, and there will be houses for families of workers and a tourist flow.
      1. naidas
        naidas 7 July 2018 20: 34
        0
        But will it be like with stadiums after the championship, the regions cannot afford them?
  47. kan123
    kan123 24 May 2018 21: 35
    +7
    There were no technologies - today dozens of fasteners clog into the soil, at an angle - they hit one hundred meters - until they stand on a solid foundation. What technologies were there a hundred years ago? Secondly, Sakhalin was not a priority - it was the whole North. The Kolyma tract looked like Arbat at rush hour - cars were constantly driving there, day and night. Stalin wanted to populate the North, which the Russian Federation has two-thirds - the bridge to Sakhalin, this is how the kids play toys, compared to the plans of Vissarionych, who lived in the north, and understood him well, and populated him with intellectuals from the Hebrews. parts of the Russian Federation, all the time. He, the prisoner, arranged conditions that they didn’t want to go to Moscow - metro, tatras. Which bridge to Sakhalin - there the mega-tasks were solved, which no one decides - in terms of optimization, the Russian Federation leaves two-thirds of its territories - there the shift works — abandoned shores and the bridge to Sakhalin. Funny comparisons with the new country created by Stalin from a dull north, some kind of bridge.
    1. Artem Popov
      Artem Popov 25 May 2018 16: 15
      -1
      You’ve got a nice wand, bro. But don’t smoke so much, you will completely burn your brains.
  48. aws4
    aws4 24 May 2018 22: 24
    +11
    You know, people who criticized something that they didn’t see or didn’t read were always indignant ... but now I myself was in their place ... after reading the title of the article - (Stalin didn’t succeed - Putin will do it) my conscience simply didn’t allow me to read the article itself .. as possible compare Stalin who took power by power and intellect from the very bottom from the outskirts of the Republic of Ingushetia, carried out industrialization for 20 years, was the leader of the country during the most terrible war, after lifting it with the people of the USSR from ruins .. with a man who was always in the system, with the protégé of the oligarchic handful of internal invaders which this country was torn up and put in power of Putin .. I’m not a stalinist and I think that Stalin had mistakes and excesses at the same time and I don’t quite consider Putin to be bad especially after BN Yeltsin Putin just handsome .. BUT at the same time these are two politicians of different levels and there is no place for these two politicians not only in comparison but even on one line ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2018 22: 53
      +1
      Considering how much they built under Putin during 18 years of rule - he began with a ten-year-old half-ruin, he deserves to be on the same line with Stalin. Yes, he failed to cope with corruption and indifference on the ground, but the struggle is slow, but true.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 25 May 2018 00: 22
        +10
        Gg do not tell !!! Putin to Stalin as I do to Julius Caesar! These are figures of incompatible proportions. One magnificent organizer is another mediocre person who is not able to tightly control his own decisions! And managing the state in manual mode is generally nonsense!
        1. aws4
          aws4 25 May 2018 23: 48
          0
          it's me Vadim
      2. aws4
        aws4 25 May 2018 23: 47
        +2
        please study the history of your country .. you can not all at least the first half of the 20th century and then you will be ashamed of your kment
  49. Radical
    Radical 25 May 2018 01: 43
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    The tunnel can be destroyed by an anti-bunker bomb, even under water - as a knife goes into the oil.

    Have you tried to shoot small arms into the water? Or at least watch a video, how far does a bullet go in water? wassat It all depends on the depth of the tunnel, and the thickness of the water above it. sad
  50. Radical
    Radical 25 May 2018 01: 45
    +3
    Quote: Nehist
    Gg do not tell !!! Putin to Stalin as I do to Julius Caesar! These are figures of incompatible proportions. One magnificent organizer is another mediocre person who is not able to tightly control his own decisions! And managing the state in manual mode is generally nonsense!

    Yes good hi
    1. w70
      w70 30 May 2018 07: 28
      0
      It is strange that on a site that lives on the verge of the Kremlin, they write about Putin like that