Armored and cavalry. Methods of War of Tomorrow

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From childhood experiences and sublimations of the adolescent period, we inherited a feeling of some technical disgust for certain types of weapons that were in wide circulation of European armies even 70 years ago, or even 100 back. The cavalry attack on the unequipped machine-gun position in the cinema about the civil war always ends with the triumphal victory of comrade Maxim and his brother, the machine gun of the Lewis system. An armored train of any size, sweating with black smoke, with a whistle and a crash, tumbled into the ravine from a penny on the rails.

Armored and cavalry. Methods of War of Tomorrow




Everything can be in this world. As the Russian proverb says, make the fool pray to God, so he will break his forehead. You can ruin anything. In fact, the horsemen leave the zone of shelling very, very quickly, and the main losses in the last world war were carried by cavalry from air and artillery fire in a dismounted state, in places of concentration. Suffice it to say that not a single large cavalry unit of the Soviet army of the Great Patriotic War was captured in the environment, and there were numerous cases of capture by armored vehicles (of both the Soviet and German sides) that were left without fuel or timely repair. The successful actions of cavalry in the Second World War are well researched and described, but the public mind still has a picture: a sword with a sword, flying on a machine gun.

In order not to get up twice, let us say that in certain mountainous or wooded areas, in off-road conditions, a small mobile unit on horseback would still be very useful. And in the absence of a solid front, in conditions of spring and autumn off-road, with equipping with a sufficient number of anti-tank and anti-aircraft means, horsemen will give odds to armored formations. Moreover, the feed industry has taken a step forward and is ready to provide granulated fortified food with at least all the army of Genghis Khan at moderate prices and with delivery to the home base.

The main blocking in the use of cavalry is the care of the horse: cleaning, reforging, healing, placing little animals and, most importantly, long-term training of the fighter.



In the once famous work of Vsevolod Ivanov's “Armored train 14-69” (about the civil war in the Far East), partisans are developing a plan to seize an armored train based on such shaky psychological premises and assumptions that it even takes aback. Even the first line of the book gives some idea of ​​using such a powerful weaponslike an armored train.

The armored train "Polar" under number 14.69 guarded the railway line from the partisans (italics. VI Ivanov).

In the case of the literary armored train, there is an “agreement” - the transfer of military property to the enemy with an imitation of hostilities on any pre-specified conditions. The method is familiar to us from the time of Gaius Julius Caesar. Not for nothing, he described to the senate his victory over Farnak unusually sparingly. Came, saw, won. You can’t tell a lot about the battle in which less than 100 died of lightly-armed archers who came under the random Pontic distribution.

Let's return to the armored train. First of all, armored trains do an excellent job of securing the rear. Any more or less important object that is under the threat of an air attack can be covered by a group of armored trains with sufficient anti-aircraft missile weapons. Mobility and firepower of armored trains is indisputable when covering the flanks. During the civil war, armored trains were equipped with 122-mm caliber guns capable of shooting 12-14 versts. When firing from such guns, the platforms were disengaged, the brackets were folded back, the platforms were stalled, but the effect was worth it. There were also less heavy weapons that allowed firing from the turn.

It is noteworthy that in 1921, the Americans installed guns in 356 mm, capable of shooting 23 kilometers a kilometer, on railway platforms. And Congress approved the production of four artillery groups on railway platforms. Firepower is impressive. If the Germans in Normandy would have such armored trains, then the landing would have to be arranged somewhere else.

It was noted repeatedly that attempts to head-on the assault on armored trains always ended in failure. Easy vulnerability from the air of trains and armored trains moving by rail is also from the field of fantastic cinema. Mostly uncovered and unarmed freight and cargo-passenger trains were shot. Efficient shooting at trains from aircraft of World War II begins with 3000 meters, and this is a direct action of anti-aircraft guns. In tsarist Russia, it was recommended to install one armored car with 14 machine guns of the Vickers system on an armored train. It was enough that not a single squad was damaged from the air during the entire first world and civil wars. But now the placement of air defense systems at the railway base can only be limited by the designer’s imagination.

For the seizure of stations or other railway units, for the defense of the armored train itself, half of the soldiers with a cannon, two machine guns, communications and other interesting things were included in the crew. Total to 112 man of manpower, including the mountain signalman. And again, it must be understood that the stock of ammunition for this group may be virtually inexhaustible. Unless, of course, too far from the land battleship.

If hypothetically assume the presence of armored trains in the republics of Donbass, then in the conditions of a developed railway network and with the suppressed activity of the aircraft and helicopters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, this would be a weighty argument in favor of the victory of good over evil.

With the development of unmanned aviation an armored train can serve as a base for these same vehicles. A base equipped with a full repair complex, which is almost impossible to achieve in an automotive version. A base where operators are located in comfortable conditions, and, again, the filling of wagons can be specially designed for the challenges.

Back in 1927, Colonel of the Russian Army A.V. Shavrov, who served in the General Staff before the Civil War, based on the combat experience of the First World War and the Civil War, developed methods of interaction tanks and armored train group. The interaction of armored trains and aviation, armored trains and cavalry. He proposed a revolutionary and even somewhere “seditious” thing: to include an air platoon directly in the armored personnel on special platforms. This air platoon was supposed to correct the fire of tower and platform guns from closed positions, conduct reconnaissance and, optionally, bombing.

The actions of a couple or more armored trains along parallel branches were recognized as the most effective. And it was supposed to create heavy and light armored trains to solve specific problems. It is clear that this complicated the control scheme and would have brought to life an unprecedented military unit - the battalion of armored trains. The battalion, which would also include technical staff and repair, with a supply of sleepers, rails and a dining car with a casino, girls and whiskey. The format allows it!

The armored train has drawbacks, one of which is similar to cavalry: the complexity of personnel training. It requires a long study and practical training.

Learn! Learn military art in this way! War will always be fought by man, he will remain its main material. War is the will of man, his moral and physical efforts must be directed towards preparing for military labor. An army unconscious of duty, without love for the Fatherland, without moral duties, is worth little, no matter how perfect the machines are.
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  1. +13
    26 May 2018 05: 59
    Now the deployment of air defense systems at the railway base can be limited only by the imagination of the designer.
    And the dimensions of weapons.
    "Depending on the height (the height is determined by the level of the top of the rail heads (UGR)), on which the cargo goes beyond the loading envelope, three main zones of oversized cargo are established: - zone of lower oversized - at a height of 480 to 1400 mm at a distance from the track axis 1626-1760 mm and at a height of 1230 to 1400 mm with a distance from the axis of the path 1761-2240 mm;
    - zone of lateral oversize - at a height of 1400 to 4000 mm;
    - the zone of upper oversizedness - at a height of 4000 to 5300 mm.
    In addition, to more accurately determine the conditions for the passage of goods of upper oversize on double-track lines, an additional conditional zone of joint lateral and upper oversize is introduced at an altitude of 4000 to 4603 mm with a distance from the track axis of 1625 mm to the border of the upper oversize zone. "
    Armored trains almost until the last time were used in the Far East and during the Chechen wars.
    1. +6
      26 May 2018 07: 38
      Good afternoon, Nikolai. Thanks to your comments and publications on VO, the topics of armored trains and railways have become one of my interests. True, speaking is difficult. Grand battles were. The history of the creation of armored trains --- long.
    2. Cat
      +8
      26 May 2018 07: 47
      Nikolay, let me supplement you!
      At one time (the 30s of the last century), the issue of moving heavy railway artillery was worked out at the state level. So the mass-scale model 356mm guns TM-1-14 was sent from Leningrad to Vladivostok. Water towers, semaphores, even a line of telegraph poles were demolished along the way. But they eventually ensured the transfer of heavy naval artillery the following year.
      1. +5
        26 May 2018 09: 38
        Quote: Kotischa
        At one time (the 30s of the last century), the issue of moving heavy railway artillery was worked out at the state level. So the mass-scale model 356mm guns TM-1-14 was sent from Leningrad to Vladivostok

        Yes I know. In the 30s, the 12th Naval Artillery Brigade was stationed in Vladivostok. And to relocate the conveyors 12 "TM 2-12 and TM 1-14 was a very difficult task.
        Back in October 1932, when heavy railway batteries existed only on paper, A.B. . The headquarters and management of this brigade, called the 5th Marine Railway Artillery Brigade, were formed during 6, even before the arrival of heavy batteries in the Far East. After the arrival of the 7-mm battery number 8 in Vladivostok, its commander I.V. Malakhovsky was appointed commander of the brigade, and the commander of the 12th division I.I.Shvechkov headed its headquarters. It was he who carried out survey work to select the positions of 1933-356-mm conveyors in the area of ​​the Gulf of America. All three heavy batteries (Rotten Corner, Egersheld, Danube) and the 6th separate railway artillery division were combined into the 5th naval railway artillery brigade. "
    3. 0
      11 August 2018 21: 58
      There were several armored trains in Chechnya,
      At the Ministry of Internal Affairs, at the army, at the railway troops.
      The last attempt to use them is the war with rodents.


  2. +3
    26 May 2018 06: 39
    rider on a horse looks just huge live
  3. +12
    26 May 2018 07: 06
    In Donetsk, the militia tried to make an armored train - alas, the Nazi helicopters made it drushlak. It seems to me that the author is wrong - other times - other songs. Aviation, helicopters, ATGMs, RPGs, DRGs ... will not allow the battleship on wheels to live for long.
    1. +12
      26 May 2018 08: 44
      Quote: LeonidL
      It seems to me that the author is wrong - other times - other songs. Aviation, helicopters, ATGMs, RPGs, DRGs ... will not allow the battleship on wheels to live for long.

      "Other times" means the abandonment of the railway, as the main and most effective means of transporting troops and mate. funds?
      No, they don’t mean it.
      So the railways have to be protected. It’s from the “Aviation, Helicopters, ATGMs, RPGs, DRGs” listed by you. And the best tool for cost / effectiveness here is exactly an armored train.
      This does not exclude the use of other means, but they are not able to completely replace the armored train.

      That is, armored trains will still be needed. Just "retrograde" will take advantage of a ready-made solution that "stands on the siding." And such modern and progressive guys will give birth to these armored trains on the knee of what is. As it was both times in Chechnya, when it was necessary to ensure the safety of the Mozdok-Khankala railway
      1. +1
        26 May 2018 11: 06
        But what about locomotives pulling these armored trains?
        1. +7
          26 May 2018 12: 10
          Book a locomotive. There is no particular problem here. The Chechens, as far as I remember, generally managed to partially book the cab of the shunting diesel locomotive. At least on the one I saw.
          1. 0
            28 May 2018 13: 15
            In the event of any conflict ... the following problems arise: 1 Electric locomotive ..... cut the wires and woo-ala ... will not move! 2.Diesel? But DT and pull up! The advantage of a steam locomotive ... At least throw a dung! Will go! But I remember at the stations there were columns with water ... I don’t see something! Like locomotives rusting .... Well, or as monuments standing !!!
            1. 0
              28 May 2018 23: 04
              diesel engines have very high autonomy, and fueling can be done on one truck, so they do not depend much on fueling.
              1. 0
                30 May 2018 07: 59
                All the same, they depend))) And you won’t get off with one truck!
      2. +1
        27 May 2018 20: 21
        Now there are a bunch of all kinds of drones ... This is reconnaissance .. Arrange sabotage on the railway. ways. Detonate, disassemble, mine the railway itself .. Deal a blow on the road from the air, missile strike, artillery strike. Especially since there are highly accurate ammunition ..
    2. +5
      26 May 2018 12: 31
      it will be more efficient to transfer the Tochka-U OTRK brigade to Donetsk, and 100 missiles in addition, just this year near Kursk our brigade will be re-equipped with Iskanders
      1. +1
        28 May 2018 12: 56
        Give you a reprimand for violating the secrecy regime. Unimpressible for life. Tongue like a woman with a broom throwing ...
        1. 0
          28 May 2018 23: 05
          this is a secret that we do not know about only.
          it is impossible to hide the rearmament of the regiment from intelligence by the CIA.
          so do not make up for excess paranoia.
          1. -1
            29 May 2018 13: 10
            No, damn it, let's now “trumpet” at all angles ... Who else knows what? Order and discipline should be! And a sense of responsibility!

            The poster is such a "Photo, Networks, Internet - expect hello from the enemy." I recommend that you familiarize yourself.
            1. +3
              29 May 2018 13: 56
              enough paranoia
              I worked at a "secret" factory, whose photo in the USA was from the age of 57 - you could see gobies on the tracks. He worked at the Research Institute of Robotics, where projects that are already thrown in the trash in the USA are secret
              ENOUGH stupid total paranoia! you need to hide only what is hidden
              rearm regiment to hide now IMPOSSIBLE!
              1. +3
                29 May 2018 17: 23
                moreover, it was impossible to hide even during the USSR ....
                When AK-74 went to Afghanistan, American journalists (!!!!) shot him almost simultaneously with our units ...
              2. -1
                30 May 2018 10: 12
                Stop wagging your tongue!
                And if you already worked at the "secret factory", you should have learned to keep your mouth shut! And other unreasonable to pull, and not "glue otmazy" here- like in the "CIA" so everyone knows ... They know, damn it, thanks to the same talkers.
                From gossip and chatter, one step to treason.
                1. 0
                  20 August 2018 11: 22
                  it is necessary on the contrary with all that you can boast and PR, hiding only the technical details.
                  Do you generally realize all your inadequacy in protecting secrets of open door ??? you want to hide the Old from YOUR OWN !!! people !!! not from amers and other spies, because the powerful powers have excellent intelligence and they just click such secrets, but only from their people. this is utter nonsense.
    3. +5
      26 May 2018 23: 28
      Quote: LeonidL
      In Donetsk, the militia tried to make an armored train - alas, the Nazi helicopters made it drushlak.

      All because the product is handicraft. The electronic suppression system on the armored train can be placed quite powerful. The train itself and the surrounding area will also cover, so for example, the option with the AGM-114 Hellfire will not work. If you pick up the launch distance of the NURs, the Panzia guns of the armored train will chop a helicopter under the nut.
  4. +4
    26 May 2018 07: 36
    [quote = Amurets] [quote]
    Armored trains almost until the last time were used in the Far East and during the Chechen wars.[/ Quote]

    During the Chechen wars, it was amateur, complete improvisation. Responding to the challenge of circumstances We propose to think about an orderly pattern.
    1. Cat
      +12
      26 May 2018 07: 55
      What kind of that!

      Armored car!

      Handsome !!!
    2. +7
      26 May 2018 09: 58
      Quote: genko
      During the Chechen wars, it was amateur, complete improvisation. Responding to the challenge of circumstances We propose to think about an orderly pattern.

      After the Daman events and other conflicts with China, the schemes of modern armored trains for the Far East were thought out, since the Trans-Siberian Railway comes close to the Soviet-Chinese border. EMNIP one or two armored trains from the Far East were sent to Chechnya or the surrounding regions.
      1. Cat
        +3
        26 May 2018 10: 09
        Everything is correct Nikolay. Ate honestly, I didn’t know why they designed the armored trains participating in the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya, but the fact that they are not artisanal is for sure.
        1. +3
          26 May 2018 11: 50
          Quote: Kotischa
          Eating honestly, I didn’t know why they designed the armored train participating in the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya

          Yes, everything is correct, the armored train KhZTM named after Malyshev built: “The last armored trains of the Soviet Army The events on Damansky Island in March 1968 put the USSR and China on the brink of an open military conflict: the two weeks of fighting cost a lot of blood to our country. A mobile and effective tool was needed - and then they remembered the armored trains. We were instructed to revive the idea at the Malyshev Kharkov Transport Engineering Plant, which, shortly after the events at Damansky, received a government task to develop an armored train. " I myself saw the last time an armored train in the mid-1980s. IMHO JV Amur, but I will not say for sure. It was used as a headquarters for the electrification of the eastern part of the Zabzhezd railway station from Arkhar to Belogorsk. Where then he was transferred, I do not know.
          Vladislav, the last section is by reference. http://www.rzd-expo.ru/history/Bronepoezda/
    3. 0
      29 May 2018 02: 00
      It seems that the railway infrastructure is very vulnerable. Areas with railroads can often come under the control of the warring parties or even be destroyed.
      As a combat system of rear (including medical) support, it can still be considered, but in the regime of CTO / “constitutional order”, or in the system of territorial defense .., but during large-scale b / d, and over long distances ( with modern aviation, artillery, missile weapons or, as already mentioned above, enemy DRGs), even if half of the armored train is occupied by brigade crews and railway repair kits, the expediency in b / d is not clear.
      1. 0
        29 May 2018 08: 36
        Quote: Pax tecum
        As a combat rear support system (including medical), it can still be considered, but in the regime of CTO / “constitutional order”, or in the territorial defense system .., but in the course of large-scale b / d,

        since there is no final understanding - WHAT war is ahead of us? If a local one will be very necessary, if a serious blow to the cracking / oil pipelines / storage facilities will not allow using any MOTORIZED equipment at all ...
      2. +1
        29 May 2018 09: 07
        Quote: Pax tecum
        It seems that the railway infrastructure is very vulnerable. Areas with railroads can often come under the control of the warring parties or even be destroyed.
        As a combat system of rear (including medical) support, it can still be considered, but in the regime of CTO / “constitutional order”, or in the system of territorial defense .., but during large-scale b / d, and over long distances ( with modern aviation, artillery, missile weapons or, as already mentioned above, enemy DRGs), even if half of the armored train is occupied by brigade crews and railway repair kits, the expediency in b / d is not clear.

        this is not such a terrible problem:
        - it seems that the shunting locomotive is quite suitable for an armored train and subsequent booking. Moreover, it seems to me that you can significantly lower the diesel down between the wheels (abandon wheelsets), even at the cost of reducing power, increasing passive booking and increasing the number of traction units
        - track restoration system - these are both extreme platforms with a crane in the middle, armored bulldozers (scrapers) at the edges and a reserve of collected track elements inside. Theoretically, bulldozers should have the ability and pull the composition
        - finally, self-propelled equipment on cargo platforms can simply "slip off" under its own power
  5. +2
    26 May 2018 08: 01
    Please add a caption to the photo:
    http://military-photo.com/germany/afv2/tank2/medi
    um2 / pz3 / 14233-photo.html
  6. +6
    26 May 2018 08: 11
    About the cavalry.
    The cavalry changed its role with the mass appearance of machine guns and an increase in the rate of fire of hand weapons. The last cavalry lava is the Civil War.
    In fact, the cavalry became riding infantry. And as a means of transportation in a number of places it has an undeniable advantage. This primarily applies to forests and mountains.
    Therefore, all preparation consists only in initial riding training (any person is easily trained in a month) and simple animal care (for the same month, it is also easy to learn). The rest: veterinary support, reforging, repair of the harness - this can be done by single specialists.
    The rest of the training is no different (with the exception of small nuances) from an ordinary soldier.
    But to prepare the horse for fighting longer (program about a year).

    As for armored trains, the author mixed a little the actual armored trains and artillery batteries on the railway platform.
    Art batteries were widely used in the Second World War and by the Germans (remember Dora) and ours. But they required a special circular path and very well camouflaged, because were slow and could get hit by aircraft.
    And there were armored trains of direct support to the troops. So they suffered the main losses in the war. The main problem of such an armored train is ensuring maneuverability, because as soon as the armored train got up, then artillery or tanks would work on it. As for the partisan actions, here is also ensuring the safety of the road - the most important thing is that the landmine under the canvas or on the bridge has not been canceled).
    As for aviation in the Second World War, it was also effective. Again, the main thing was to immobilize the armored train, and then it could already be finished off. Often, armored trains (when they had a lot of anti-aircraft guns) were hunted at night, when visibility was reduced.

    With regard to modern use, then as a mobile rear guard points - quite a good weapon.

    Here, as elsewhere, one must understand that each tool has its own purpose and can solve only a limited range of tasks.
    1. +6
      26 May 2018 10: 08
      I will add a little about the following thoughts of the author:
      Effective firing on trains from planes of the Great Patriotic War begins from 3000 meters, and this is a direct action of anti-aircraft guns.

      In addition to firing, there is also bombing, which during World War II did not prevent the sinking of much better-equipped air defense ships - the Yamato, for example.
      In fact, the riders leave the zone of fire very, very quickly

      It all depended on the number of machine guns of the opponent and his stamina.
      1. +1
        28 May 2018 23: 09
        Yamato was attacked by air groups from several aircraft carriers, and his air defense was far from the best.
        For an armored train, one strike aircraft is enough + target designation.
    2. 0
      28 May 2018 09: 16
      Queensland Riding Infantry.
  7. +5
    26 May 2018 08: 17
    we inherited a feeling of some technical squeamishness for certain types of weapons, which were in the wide circulation of the European armies as early as 70, or even 100 years ago.
    .... But why ... each vegetable has its own time ... Everything flows, everything changes ...
    1. Cat
      +5
      26 May 2018 10: 43
      Well-markedly respected Alexy!
      For a long time did not drop in, sincerely glad to see you !!!
      Sincerely, Kitty!
      1. +3
        26 May 2018 10: 47
        Likewise, buddy! To this forum quite a while ago..And on history .. you’ll see only if there is an article by S. Milyutinskaya ..
  8. +4
    26 May 2018 09: 26
    An armored train in a new format is in demand today. In fact, it can be equipped with KAZ and dynamic protection, modern platforms and tracks with a high axle load will help bring the reservation to the level of MBT. Air defense is not a problem either. Instead, it turns out a very mobile platform for controlling the frontline.
    Speaking of armored trains (sorry for the clumsy link, I don’t know how to use HTML):
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%96%D0%B5%D0%BB%
    D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2_(%D0%B1
    %D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B7%
    D0% B4)
    Cavalry can also be in demand as a super-terrain vehicle. Of course, there are no sense in creating a corps and horse-mechanized groups (although I would like to recall the tricks of the hero-Ossetian Pliev), but highly mobile and all-weather groups of the platoon-reinforced company level in mountains and forests are needed today.
    1. +4
      26 May 2018 09: 33
      And at the frontier posts, it’s not replaceable at all.
  9. +9
    26 May 2018 09: 42
    Kaptsov began to be cloned and Generalenko - horse-railway variant of Kaptsov?
    By the way, the author, railway transporters are not related to armored trains.
    The article is an excellent work in the genre of horse-railway steampunk and retro-futurism in one bottle. A particular charm to the work is given by the author’s great removal from the topic in question, in particular, and from militarism in general.
    In addition, the author missed the opportunity to equip his armored train with hot air balloons filled with exhaust gases of a diesel locomotive or kites for observation.
    In addition, it makes sense to introduce a cavalry unit into the armored train, placing it in special wagons. Cavalrymen will guard, conduct reconnaissance, and pursue the enemy’s armored train defeated by artillery fire. In case of breakdown, damage to the locomotive or lack of fuel, the armored train can be pulled by horses.
    1. +6
      26 May 2018 10: 27
      A railway in the mountains or in the desert, without nearby a / m roads, than to cover it from the partisans, or to recover from possible shelling. Helicopters or drones?
      Have you tried to keep up with horse-drawn tourists on the Altai Mountains?
      Regarding the omnipotence of satellite, infrared and radar detection. In Syria, Libya and other Mali romp pillars jihadists, and no one discovers them. In the deserts !!!
      1. +5
        26 May 2018 10: 45
        "Have you tried to keep up with the mounted tourists on the Altai Mountains?"
        Two questions. The first. Why chase someone on foot.
        Second. Have you tried to escape from a helicopter on a horse in the desert or steppe?
        1. +5
          26 May 2018 10: 54
          1. And then, that in the mountains and swamps, and in many deserts quickly enough in any directions and not only on roads, you can move either on foot or on a horse / camel.
          2. Chegoy then I remember all sorts of Tuaregs, Berbers, Malian. Run away and run away quite successfully from the Italians, the soldiers of Gaddafi, and even from the Foreign Legion of France. Also, cities are contriving to occupy. And it's all in the desert.
          If we talk about forests, then the Bandera and forest brothers survived from the forests, not the really almighty NKVD, but the amnesty (that is, in fact any army was powerless). You can still remember about the drug empire of Latin America.

          In short: to chase a rider in a helicopter, you must first find him. And there are non-flying days.
          1. +6
            26 May 2018 12: 05
            You have forgotten the Chukchi and deer. On the tundra, especially in winter, the horse is not very. And the camel does not like the tundra. And the deer is what you need. And there is experience in the combat use of deer. We put the "Shilka" on the runners, harness fifty deer and march the march, forward. And the ammunition for the dogs to carry. They will guard at night.
            1. +6
              26 May 2018 12: 39
              Quote: Curious
              You have forgotten the Chukchi and deer. On the tundra, especially in winter, the horse is not very.

              No one has forgotten anything.
              The command staff of the Far Eastern Higher Combined Arms Command School (FEFU) uses the prevailing severe frosty weather in the Amur Region to train cadets in the skills of conducting operations in arctic conditions. It is about training cadets of the "Arctic" specialization. The press service of the Eastern Military District reports that special attention has been paid to practical night exercises, since in the Arctic, as you know, the polar night lasts a long time. "
              https://topwar.ru/134539-kursanty-arkticheskoy-sp
              ecializacii-treniruyutsya-v-dvoku-i-pri-minus-40.
              html
              And on an internship in the Arctic, cadets learned to manage dog and deer teams. Unfortunately, I did not find the photo
              1. +5
                26 May 2018 15: 21
                Quote: Amurets
                And on an internship in the Arctic, cadets learned to manage dog and deer teams. Unfortunately, I did not find the photo

                Yes, here you are:
                1. 0
                  27 May 2018 12: 32
                  which arctic? What kind of forest is in the background? laughing
                  1. +2
                    27 May 2018 13: 19
                    Quote: faiver
                    forest in the background?

                    This is the Kola Peninsula.
                    1. +1
                      27 May 2018 16: 01
                      Are you interested in the climate of the Kola Peninsula? the average winter temperature is minus ten, as in Moscow, this is not the Arctic, don't go to practice in tiksi
                      1. +2
                        27 May 2018 16: 32
                        Quote: faiver
                        Are you interested in the climate of the Kola Peninsula?

                        laughing I served in this climate.
                        Quote: faiver
                        like in Moscow

                        laughing laughing laughing Not that word.
                        Quote: faiver
                        don't go to tiksi to practice

                        And they will get there if necessary.
            2. +3
              26 May 2018 20: 46
              "KAMAZ is a good car. It goes well along the tundra. Dogs only get tired quickly."
            3. +3
              26 May 2018 21: 15
              Quote: Curious
              We put the "Shilka" on the runners, harness fifty deer and march the march, forward. And the ammunition for the dogs to carry. They will guard at night.

              Thanks for the comment, I haven’t laughed like that today. Although symbiotic animals always saved a person in different situations. But progress is relentless.
              Some cases are good because they emphasize the importance of progress.
    2. Cat
      +4
      26 May 2018 10: 54
      Quote: Curious

      In addition, the author missed the opportunity to equip his armored train with hot air balloons filled with exhaust gases of a diesel locomotive or kites for observation.
      In addition, it makes sense to introduce a cavalry unit into the armored train, placing it in special wagons. Cavalrymen will guard, conduct reconnaissance, and pursue the enemy’s armored train defeated by artillery fire. In case of breakdown, damage to the locomotive or lack of fuel, the armored train can be pulled by horses.

      Something that reminds me of the Strugat brothers!
      Still it is necessary to appoint at least the lieutenant general and commander of the unit — Kota — in order to sleep, eat and all. Yeah, there still has to be a trolley! After all, the General must save his Cat from the adversary !!!

      Alas, armored trains today can only be claimed in highly specialized areas: a counter-guerrilla war against an obviously weakest enemy, mobile air defense systems and as carriers of strategic missiles!
      If you missed something, add it!
  10. BAI
    +2
    26 May 2018 10: 51
    Armored trains were designed and developed until 1958. Then - withdrawn from service. What has changed to make the expediency of their revival? Now they can be used only if the enemy cannot strike back.
    1. +10
      26 May 2018 12: 20
      Quote: BAI
      Armored trains were designed and developed until 1958. Then - withdrawn from service.

      Well, yes, in those days under the wise guidance of Comrade Khrushchev in the USSR very actively fought with common sense ...
      Then I had to "revive" armored trains in the Far East. Erzats-armored trains participated in the Abkhazian, Karabakh and two Chechen conflicts ... In short, they hurried with the removal from service, they were in a hurry.
      1. Cat
        +6
        26 May 2018 13: 11
        On the territory of Russia, railway communication is difficult to overestimate. Especially in martial law. So the railway defense systems for the defense of railway junctions will not hurt !!!
        1. +1
          26 May 2018 19: 15
          Quote: Kotischa
          So the railway defense systems for the defense of railway junctions will not hurt !!!

          And air defense, and counter-sabotage / patrol, and combat engineer / repair (providing control of the paths to the subject, including VU and operational repair)
  11. +2
    26 May 2018 12: 15
    Again, not erotic fantasies .... there is a railway in the Donbass while serious guys are doing business. Then again, there’s no road, no trains for a maximum of XNUMX hours. I’m completely silent about the dude with the horse ... it’s okay to smoke like that ... then a motorcycle is better.
  12. exo
    +1
    26 May 2018 12: 21
    In Normandy, everything was decided by the superiority of the allies in the air. And no armored trains, the matter would not have been decided. But if the Germans could manage to take control of the situation in the sky, then tanks with bombers would be enough. Both on the landing, and on the landing-landing means.
  13. +2
    26 May 2018 12: 25
    In June 1941, surrounded by Bialystok and Minsk, the 1st Cavalry Division was killed. From the personnel of the division, as well as the entire 10th army, no more than 300 people left for their own. Most were captured. In 1942, the Belov corps suffered losses in raids on the enemy rear, however, it could not disrupt the Germans' communications. And there are many such examples. I mean, that no kind of troops, even the most-fresh one, can fulfill the task alone. In the war of 1941-1945, the cavalry received support in the form of aviation, tanks, artillery. It was impossible to do without it.
    1. Cat
      +6
      26 May 2018 13: 00
      There is one thing, but the cavalry of Dovator and Belov "roamed" on the rear for about a month! Call me any motorized rifle or tank unit capable of this?
      Now about the problem of cavalry. Many of the young men of draft age know that it is dangerous to approach a horse from the tail? You can get corny hoof in the forehead! The culture of mass horse breeding has died today, if three quarters of a century ago everyone knew how to take care of a horse, cherish and cherish, today the generation of neksts can also start looking for a joystick from the horse.
      So the destiny of the combat name of the cavalry is parades, divorces and the protection of public order.
      Sincerely, Kitty!
      P.S. The daughter's girlfriends are sitting. He came up and asked a question, who knows the commands for controlling the horse. In response, silence, in the eyes of emptiness !!!
      1. +3
        26 May 2018 19: 59
        "" Well, dead! "The little barked a bass,
        He pulled under the bridle and walked faster "
        "A little man with a marigold" (N. Nekrasov) laughing
        1. Cat
          +4
          26 May 2018 20: 21
          Good evening Anton! I am glad to see you, I dare to suggest that if I asked a similar question about the work of Nekrasov, the result would be similar! hi
          1. +3
            26 May 2018 20: 40
            Good evening, Vlad! I think you are exaggerating. At this age, Kinchev’s work interested me much more than Nekrasov’s literary heritage. However, I still remember the former by heart much more than the latter.
  14. +2
    26 May 2018 12: 25
    Battleships are also a formidable force, but their time has simply passed. Flintlocks do not shoot at helicopters.
  15. +6
    26 May 2018 14: 25
    M-d-ah! I have not read such verbal rubbish for a long time! Still in shock: either laugh, or swear! Judging by the article, the author is still tickling childhood in the ass ..... I do not blame! Himself so! I remember how I “developed” long-range magazine breech-loading rifles that could have been made in the time of Peter the Great ... machine guns in the Crimean campaign of 1854-55. But you must return to reality in time! 1.Cavalry.If it would have been so cool with the author for the cavalry, they would not have refused the cavalry ... well, they would have reduced a little ... and that’s it! By the way, where cavalry is appropriate and now it exists! Mounted policemen, border guards, special Nazis are now! The taiga, the jungle, the highlands are the "theater of operations" of the cavalry .... Often horses are used as a vehicle, but there are exceptions .. There are still cavalry units in the KPA, which are armed with sabers. They are located often in mountainous areas as part of border troops.

    Will horses continue to exist in the existing functionality? Maybe not .. Walking exoskeletons, all-terrain vehicles are already being developed .. Why shouldn’t the "author" imagine dashing Cossacks on "Arabian" horses with drafts and AK-12; and "shock (attack aircraft)" in heavy exoskeletons, as in the series ,, Echo-platoon "?

    2. Armored trains (BP). The same story ... If military expediency remained. Then armored trains would have been in service with many armies .. But this is not. High vulnerability of armored trains was revealed back in 1MV. But when analyzing the "minuses" and "pluses", they nevertheless decided that armored trains would be useful (there are functions that can be successfully executed by military units now: patrol, escort, air defense ...) armored trains should perform auxiliary (!) functions (protection of railway lines, etc. ....) ... After all, the Red Army must fight on enemy territory. attack, have superiority on land, air, sea ... Under such conditions, BP they are quite capable of manifesting themselves “positively.” But when these conditions change, the power supply units quickly perish. Article on PD grave put guided missiles (URO)! Again, the vulnerability of the railway tracks ... if there is a "swarm" of flying drones (multicopter), it is not a problem to disable the railway track for several kilometers (or even tens of kilometers ...). In general, the "era" armored trains over! Yes ... armored trains were used in the Far East, they were used in the Chechen campaigns ... But even there they performed auxiliary (!) Functions: guarding railway tracks, fire support of repair divisions. railway troops ..... At the beginning of the 20 century, armor was hung on passenger trains on the Trans-Siberian Railway to windows to protect passengers from shelling of trains by Chinese hunkhuzs. A similar measure would be useful in the Chechen campaigns before the "reconciliation" of Chechnya ... Maybe it’s like need in the modern world ... But can this be considered armored trains? request
    1. Alf
      +1
      26 May 2018 16: 00
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Finally, a guided missile weapon (URO) put a cross on the grave of the BP!

      Dynamo is cheap and solves the problem of URO. On the tanks, she copes.
      1. +2
        26 May 2018 16: 31
        Quote: Alf
        Dynamo is cheap and solves the problem of URO. On the tanks, she copes.


        Duc, and KAZs can be delivered .... will the “game of the candle” cost? Would such an “attempt” resemble attempts to force a nuclear power plant into a Columbian caravel?
        1. Alf
          +1
          26 May 2018 16: 41
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Quote: Alf
          Dynamo is cheap and solves the problem of URO. On the tanks, she copes.


          Duc, and KAZs can be delivered .... will the “game of the candle” cost? Would such an “attempt” resemble attempts to force a nuclear power plant into a Columbian caravel?

          Worth it. Will not be.
          Dynamo perfectly protects against manual anti-tank weapons in the form of RPGs, in which the main and only way to defeat is cumulative. If you use the PSU as maneuver groups to protect tracks and trains. What can a sabotage group carry from heavy weapons? RPG only.
          1. +2
            26 May 2018 18: 54
            Quote: Alf
            If you use the PSU as maneuver groups to protect tracks and trains. What can a sabotage group carry from heavy weapons? RPG only.

            Yes, everything can happen! The group is different for the group ... they can also take the ATGMs ... they’ve managed to fire at the Khmeimim base even from the mortar ,, Cornflower ".... And as an armored train for air defense / missile defense (ADMS) to cover important railway nodes, interchanges, stations may come in handy now
    2. +4
      26 May 2018 16: 17
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      At the beginning of the 20th century, armor was hung on passenger trains on the Trans-Siberian Railway to windows to protect passengers from bombardment of trains by Chinese Khunkhuzes. A similar measure would be useful in the Chechen campaigns before the "reconciliation" of Chechnya ...

      Nikolayevich, let me clarify that the Khunkhuzes and Ihetuani are the Chinese Eastern Railway and South Ural Railway, that is, the territory of Manchuria and special units of the Zaamursky corps of the border guard were engaged in them. Well, about the armored trains of that time, namely the Far East, see the link
      https://topwar.ru/34294-russkie-bronepoezda-morsk
      oy-bronepoezd.html
      1. +2
        26 May 2018 17: 43
        Quote: Amurets
        Khunhuzy and Ihetuani is the CER and UMZHD,

        You're right! hi “Pollindirovannye” passenger trains is the CER! In a hurry messed up request I hoped for memory, but she failed .. recourse But I hope that from this train did not become "less blanched"? wink
        Thanks for the link! It will be necessary to read at your leisure ... refresh your memory.
    3. +1
      26 May 2018 16: 51
      indeed, it is difficult to predict what in real life might suddenly be needed. It is most reasonable to create an armored locomotive and a "system" of restoration of the track, and after that, for a specific task, place self-propelled howitzers, MLRS, tactical air defense systems around them on cargo platforms, etc.
    4. +2
      28 May 2018 08: 58
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      If military expediency remained. Then armored trains would be in service with many armies .. But this is not

      The only thing one can argue with, as an example, the failure after the war (with the advent of jet aircraft) of attack aircraft did not pass the result and 25 years came to their senses and returned. It is important to correctly determine this very military expediency, but otherwise I agree in general.
      1. +2
        28 May 2018 10: 13
        Quote: kapitan281271
        It is important to correctly determine this very military expediency

        1 ... And as an armored train air defense / missile defense (SAM) to cover important railway nodes, interchanges, stations, it may still be useful
        2. there they performed auxiliary (!) functions: protection of railway tracks, fire support of repair divisions. railway troops .....
  16. Alf
    +2
    26 May 2018 16: 02
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Walking exoskeletons are already being developed,

    That's just the source of energy has not yet been found.
    1. +2
      26 May 2018 17: 03
      Quote: Alf
      That's just the source of energy has not yet been found.


      They will find, in the end .... where now to go? request The development of exoskeletons goes in the direction of creating energy-efficient actuators, and hoping to use in the future the results of work on the wireless transmission of electricity ... and so on ... up to the use of small-sized ICEs belay
      1. +1
        26 May 2018 23: 33
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        up to the use of small internal combustion engines

        I agree with the rest, but I would not make a bet on small-sized and micro-internal combustion engines. The main drawback, these engines can not take the load from scratch. And the rest, there are enough headaches with ICE.
        We must look for a capacious, small-sized source of electricity
        1. +2
          27 May 2018 02: 50
          Quote: Amurets
          I would not bet on small-sized and micro-internal combustion engines.

          Quote: Amurets
          We must look for a capacious, small-sized source of electricity


          Yeah I do not mind! Simply, such attempts existed (existed) request I'm not a defendant for them No. I have not mentioned the stirling! Yes
          1. 0
            29 May 2018 08: 45
            Yeah ... source, more precisely - think of fuel that is easily produced and easily digestible behind enemy lines in war ... tanks have already been thrown at 1941 due to lack of fuel
  17. +3
    26 May 2018 16: 12
    Quote: alstr
    About the cavalry.
    The cavalry changed its role with the mass appearance of machine guns and an increase in the rate of fire of hand weapons. The last cavalry lava is the Civil War.
    In fact, the cavalry became riding infantry. And as a means of transportation in a number of places it has an undeniable advantage. This primarily applies to forests and mountains.
    Therefore, all preparation consists only in initial riding training (any person is easily trained in a month) and simple animal care (for the same month, it is also easy to learn). The rest: veterinary support, reforging, repair of the harness - this can be done by single specialists.
    The rest of the training is no different (with the exception of small nuances) from an ordinary soldier.
    But to prepare the horse for fighting longer (program about a year).

    As for armored trains, the author mixed a little the actual armored trains and artillery batteries on the railway platform.
    Art batteries were widely used in the Second World War and by the Germans (remember Dora) and ours. But they required a special circular path and very well camouflaged, because were slow and could get hit by aircraft.
    And there were armored trains of direct support to the troops. So they suffered the main losses in the war. The main problem of such an armored train is ensuring maneuverability, because as soon as the armored train got up, then artillery or tanks would work on it. As for the partisan actions, here is also ensuring the safety of the road - the most important thing is that the landmine under the canvas or on the bridge has not been canceled).
    As for aviation in the Second World War, it was also effective. Again, the main thing was to immobilize the armored train, and then it could already be finished off. Often, armored trains (when they had a lot of anti-aircraft guns) were hunted at night, when visibility was reduced.

    With regard to modern use, then as a mobile rear guard points - quite a good weapon.

    Here, as elsewhere, one must understand that each tool has its own purpose and can solve only a limited range of tasks.


    Dear, about the cavalry you got a little excited! If my memory serves me right, we had as many as 11 cavalry corps in the WWII! They even sang a song: they’re coming, our Cossacks are traveling across Berlin! Not a regiment for window dressing went there. Our cavalry fought according to all the cavalry canons! And she showed herself in the best way! But the features of modern war left an imprint — in the defense, the cavalry buried itself in the ground like ordinary infantry. But this happened from hopelessness. And not often. More of it was of use in raids on the rear of the enemy, and in breakthroughs. You already said about the mountainous and wooded area! Perlmuter finally removed our cavalry, believing that now everything is decided by the missiles. But Chechnya again reminded of it! True, they did not create something substantial, but attempts to form horse detachments were undertaken. On the territory of Russia, cavalry will always be in demand if there are smart and sensible commanders! But today the hoteliers have a serious problem - there is very little horse combatant left! We can say that almost none! I hope you understand that the combat horse is completely different from the horse?

    An armored train, as a type of weapon, has not lost its relevance in principle! But the tactics of their application, we can say, have been lost, unfortunately. Nobody has been seriously dealing with this issue a long time ago, but it's a pity! Given the vastness of the Russian Federation, it is very convenient to hold territorial defense! And if they are stuffed with all the modern gadgets of the type: MLRS, UAVs, RER, REB, BIUS, etc., including pre-existing elements-armor, artillery, machine guns, autonomy, then this is a real land dreadnought!
    1. +5
      26 May 2018 17: 16
      "I hope you understand that the combat horse is completely different from the horse? "
      Of course we understand.

      This is one of the most famous breeds of combatant horse. The Chinese, with adequate funding, will provide any livestock.
  18. +3
    26 May 2018 16: 15
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Battleships are also a formidable force, but their time has simply passed. Flintlocks do not shoot at helicopters.


    But the guns themselves remained! And continue their path with the times!
  19. +2
    26 May 2018 16: 24
    Quote: Pattern
    In June 1941, surrounded by Bialystok and Minsk, the 1st Cavalry Division was killed. From the personnel of the division, as well as the entire 10th army, no more than 300 people left for their own. Most were captured. In 1942, the Belov corps suffered losses in raids on the enemy rear, however, it could not disrupt the Germans' communications. And there are many such examples. I mean, that no kind of troops, even the most-fresh one, can fulfill the task alone. In the war of 1941-1945, the cavalry received support in the form of aviation, tanks, artillery. It was impossible to do without it.


    This is a true point! Because, the battle has always existed as a combined arms clash. Today, the term interspecific was added to it, although it was already such in the WWII. Only politicians, such as the notorious Perlmuther, can bet on any one type of weapon. And the sun, like any living organism, must develop comprehensively and balancedly!
  20. +4
    26 May 2018 16: 30
    It’s enough to say that not a single large cavalry unit of the Soviet army of the Great Patriotic War was captured in encirclement,
    What are you saying, but what about the 5th corps? Which was twice surrounded, first as part of the Southwestern Front near Kiev, and the second time on the South Front, in the area of ​​Kamensk, so much so that it wasn’t restored for the third time? Destroyed. By the order of NCO No. 00144 of July 15, 1942, the building was disbanded.
    and there are many cases of horsemen capturing armored vehicles (both the Soviet and German sides), which were left without fuel or timely repairs.
    A horse left without “fuel” and “repair” simply dies and whatever it happens, it will be eaten by its own at best, the worst enemy ... Is it possible to eat a tank or an armored car? And the same cavalry weapons were captured ... Here is a German cavalryman examining our 1927-type saber
    1. Cat
      +4
      26 May 2018 17: 40
      By the way, Nazi Germany, having started a war with one cavalry brigade, crossed the Neman with a cavalry division, finished with a million-strong horse population in the armed forces and military formations.
      1. +8
        26 May 2018 17: 54
        Quote: Kotischa
        finished with a million-strong horse stock in the armed forces and military units.

        The Wehrmacht has always had a horse. Almost 80% of the transportation in the rear was carried out by them.






        BUT, the fact that, as a result of the war on the Eastern Front, the cavalry’s military personnel began to grow is a fact. And we taught them that. Having shown by the successful actions of his cavalry that it was too early to write off her, that she was a very maneuverable military branch.
        1. +3
          26 May 2018 18: 56
          BUT, the fact that, as a result of the war on the Eastern Front, the cavalry’s military personnel began to grow is a fact. And we taught them that. Having shown by the successful actions of his cavalry that it was too early to write off her, that she was a very maneuverable military branch.

          The Wehrmacht widely used horses before the start of the Second World War. So Budyonny Semyon Mikhailovich has nothing to do with it. smile
          1. Alf
            +4
            26 May 2018 19: 49
            Quote: VictorZhivilov
            The Wehrmacht widely used horses before the start of the Second World War.

            This is the question of the "complete" mechanization of the Wehrmacht, which some comrades so much like to mention.
            1. Cat
              +3
              26 May 2018 20: 28
              The Germans used horse traction in artillery even more widely than in the Red Army. There were reconnaissance manned 50/50 motorcycles and horses. But at the beginning of World War II, the Germans had only one combat equestrian division! The Red Army - 7 horse corps. hi
              1. 0
                26 May 2018 21: 07
                Is this taking into account the Krasnivtsi?
          2. +3
            27 May 2018 05: 31
            Quote: VictorZhivilov
            The Wehrmacht widely used horses before the start of VO

            The Wehrmacht made extensive use of magazine (non-automatic) rifles ... and now what? To the “requested” armored trains and horses add Mosin rifles?
            1. +2
              27 May 2018 05: 51
              Well, the horse was long before the Wehrmacht ... so it’s better to leave the armored train and Mosin rifles to historians, they’ll better figure it out ... Back to our rams ... Sorry ... to the horses ...
              1. +1
                27 May 2018 09: 40
                Good video ! Thank you .... quite a while I haven’t watched such a video!
  21. +2
    26 May 2018 18: 02
    https://vpk.name/forum/s243.html
  22. +2
    26 May 2018 20: 39
    It is enough to disable the iron sheet, how many guerrillas and armored trains and freight cars were derailed not to count
  23. +2
    26 May 2018 21: 19
    the best comment on the topic was still using the word "Nazis"
    Nazi helicopters made him a colander.
    In general, in the age of war using all sorts of "Nazi laughing "ATGM helicopters and other missile weapons-armored train may be a losing investment.
  24. +2
    26 May 2018 22: 26
    The armored train also has disadvantages.

    I fully agree with the author. Only the disadvantages mentioned in the article need to add three more:
    1. Armored trains can work only in the complete absence of cargo-passenger communication, which is not observed in LPR. Do not include the armored train in the schedule: "Attention! The Separatist armored train to Gorlovka will follow the third path. Please move away from the edge of the platform!" .
    2. Extreme vulnerability of railway tracks from shelling of artillery and the actions of the DRG. You can’t put every 200-300 meters of the sentry with a machine gun and patrols on trolleys (not even armored) for everyone.
    3. Dependence of the mobility of the armored personnel (and this is one of its main qualities) on the condition of this canvas and, first of all, bridges.
    So there are more IMHO problems than advantages.
    And you need to learn to use any technique and cattle - this is an eez of options
  25. +3
    26 May 2018 23: 10
    1. I will intercede for the cavalry laughing For Belovsky 1 Cavalry Corps - there is suspiciously little information that earlier, that now comes across. I think because, firstly, Stalin very much appreciated his military successes, secondly, Zhukov was jealous of his successes, and almost nothing in his Memoirs remembered.Although ..
    "The corps was transferred to the defense of Moscow on the personal orders of Stalin and in a few days the corps made a 500-kilometer transition under Moscow on winter ice. Since November 1941, it took part in the battle of Moscow on the Western Front. It is difficult to merit the corps and its commander in the Moscow battle to call it otherwise, as exceptional. Almost alone, parts of the corps repulsed the attack of the main forces of Guderian’s 2nd Panzer Group on Moscow in the south near Kashira. 1941st Guards Cavalry Corps.
    By the critical day of the Moscow battle, on December 3, when the Nazis approached the closest distance to our capital, Pavel Alekseevich Belov in his direction threw the Nazis back forty kilometers, almost to Venev. To the city where Guderian defeated our Vienna group of forces less than two weeks ago. "
    Check out the operation / Koya without cavalry did not grow together
    "... events uniquely unfolded at the large Uzlovaya station, where during the advance the Nazis captured many echelons with important cargoes. The 10th Army infantry without noticeable success attacked Uzlovaya from the east. And there Belov also sent his regiment, which was closer to the station, "The 108th cavalry regiment of Lieutenant Colonel V. D. Vasiliev from the 2nd Guards Cavalry Division. The cavalry regiment is about half the size of a rifle. One thousand soldiers and one thousand horses - four reciprocal squadrons, one machine gun squadron and several small units, Vasiliev is in service." after many battles, there were six hundred people, and the battery of 76-millimeter ZIS guns that the Supreme Commander himself promised and sent to Belov was assigned to the regiment.The guns were remarkable in all respects.The battery commander, captain Obukhovsky, sent the spotters to the station and opened fire from a distance of eleven kilometers reliably hiding their equipment.The Germans could not understand where the shells were coming from, just like a priest given to the target. The fires started. The Nazis hid in cover. Meanwhile, Vasiliev, using the terrain, quietly led his regiment to Uzlovaya and, not allowing the Germans to come to their senses, quickly attacked the station in horseback formation. It actually happened very rarely. What a mounted attack on machine guns and machine guns - suicide. But at the Nodal setting was suitable. Horse lava overflowed the station, stunned Germans crawled out of the basements, out of the dugouts and raised their hands. And those who tried to resist fell under bullets and blows of drafts. It was all over very quickly. "
    2. Armored trains of the "old type" are obviously dead. And, here, with the Dogorbachev special wagons as you say, Barguzin is a very necessary thing.
    3. I would also adapt to Armata a piece of equipment / piece / for the opportunity to "ride" on the railway. And at the exhibition, by chance, would leak on TTX, which is best gadget, they say, flies on European track and Amerov / if they are different /. Then Lafa - sit, read in nete, how the healers pick up their ways to tear / they will spend a lot of money on the program / lol
    1. BAI
      0
      27 May 2018 10: 08
      Zhukov was jealous of his successes, and in his Memoirs almost nothing was mentioned.

      The order for the raid of Belov’s corps was given by Zhukov. His deputy came to control its implementation (I don’t remember his last name). As a result, the corps was shoved into the raid without the rear. (weapons and ammunition! (all remains) were collected at the site of the death of the Vyazma group). Exit to the raid ended with mutual promises:
      Deputy Zhukov - to shoot the chief of intelligence of the corps as soon as he comes to him for a report.
      Corps intelligence chief - to shoot deputy Zhukov as soon as he appears on the front line
      (The episode according to the recollections of the intelligence chief is to search on Militerra).
  26. +3
    27 May 2018 01: 40
    On the railway carrier, you must first put those types of weapons that the dirt simply can not pull. As many have already noted, the use of the carrier rail will be justified as an enhancement of the soil defense and missile defense systems. For example, an object-based air defense system is not bad to strengthen with a laser locator. The energy intensity of such a gizmo is simply huge, the soil carrier will not pull it, but the railway is easy. In addition, such a locator will be a serious problem for the enemy. The entire stealth system which is so proud of behind a puddle becomes immediately irrelevant. To suppress such a locator, energy will be required, and there is a lot of it, but there is no where to take it in the air. Effectively cope with this task can only snow, rain or fog. But these atmospheric phenomena are not allies of aviation either. In extreme cases, the calculation changes the laser module to a conventional radar.

    Also, the carrier will help out when reflecting a massive plaque on the object. 60 "Axes" on the critical infrastructure object are not fantastic. The enemy will bring all echelons of air defense to the moment when there will be nothing to shoot. Here ZhDPU with conveyor giving just also will be useful. Conveyor and 5-7 wagons will be able to provide PU. The last conveyor car will have loading ramps for replenishment.
    As for the armored trains of the front edge, here, too, is not all hopeless. Of course, you need to overwhelm all systems of long-range damage. The development of counteraction systems rests on 2 problems - nutrition and place. Just on the armored train it is solved. As for the classic weapons. For example, the Abrams does not have a lot of chances against the Coalition gun mounted on the armored train, and the Bradley dispute with the dual Derivations module does not bode well for the BMP.
    1. 0
      28 May 2018 23: 14
      even active acoustics can be used for stealth locations, as these are usually subsonic targets.
    2. 0
      31 January 2022 13: 22
      The first thing that comes to mind is to adapt the AK-176MA naval anti-aircraft artillery mount with a 76,2-mm automatic gun to the railway platform. You can’t put this on tracks or wheels, but such a car will be able to defend military trains and railway stations, including from drones.
  27. +1
    27 May 2018 12: 54
    the article is somehow incomprehensible - it was pulled from there and from here, the author mixed armored trains and railway artillery and this is not the same thing, in general horses, people and volleys of a thousand guns mixed into a bunch ...
  28. 0
    27 May 2018 20: 22
    The article was not accidentally despaired by VSUshnik?
  29. 0
    28 May 2018 18: 52
    Quote: cenzor1966
    But what about locomotives pulling these armored trains?

    Yes Easy! How much do you need ?! I know a place in Siberia where 15 pieces are worth! And just as much in one under the Moscow station. I think that there are still many of the same sedimentation tanks .......................
  30. 0
    28 May 2018 23: 11
    Quote: Curious
    Kaptsov began to be cloned and Generalenko - horse-railway variant of Kaptsov?

    Well, when we see an article about booking horses, it will be known exactly who writes)))
  31. 0
    29 May 2018 06: 37
    The creation and use of horse-drawn squadrons for guarding the same railway lines is quite justified. Everything is good when in moderation. But in the modern world, I do not see any special prospects for cavalry beyond the mounted police officer, ranger, Cossack patrol. Unless after the global war and the subsequent civilizational crisis, when survivors slid into the 19th century with steam locomotives, Morse telegraphs, brave cavalrymen, and shotguns.
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    11 August 2018 21: 34
    On horseback there is interesting material and not one !!!
    For example, search for the phrase "General Belov's horsemen - six months behind enemy lines."
    I read VERY many memoirs on THIS specifically to the commander and its parts.
    Read, very - informative.
    The general himself, Belov -

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    22 August 2018 05: 12
    On the one hand, you can joke: "A bow with arrows has absolute autonomy in terms of ammunition and is not affected by electronic warfare." But from the other side, all military history shows that the new is really old and not always well forgotten. As for the cavalry units, they found their niche in the armies of the world, and this niche covers tens of percent of the world's land. It is good that similar units for mountainous and wooded areas are gradually appearing in our country. What is there? The Mounted Police, for example, are a good base mobilization reserve. The author is right in matters of training a fighter, or rather a pair of fighter-horse. But about armored trains ... Painfully "fat" and "loud" target for any type of modern weaponry. Even as an artillery or anti-aircraft platform, they lose to any other primarily in the limited maneuver. Well, let's not forget about the "trauma". Defeat an armored train on the move in an evasion maneuver (which can take a decent amount of time) - a hundred victims with about the same amount of ammunition required to defeat, let's say 2 tanks with 6 fighters (and a decent chance of surviving in a tank). But each shoe has its own laces. Everything, almost everything that mankind has invented has a chance to participate in the continuation of politics by other methods and the topic of using, say, children's balloons for military purposes is endless and blessed. What can we say about "specially invented" military units and forms of warfare, since we have been throwing shells from a cannon with good old powder for 800 years?

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