Bulgarian President: Build us "Bulgarian Stream"

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Bulgarian President Rumen Radev gave an interview to the Russian edition of Kommersant. The interview is timed to the visit of Radev to Russia. It is noteworthy that the upcoming meeting will be the first for the presidents of Bulgaria and the Russian Federation for 10 years. Earlier, the Bulgarian leaders preferred the “correspondence” version of communication, taking into account the fact that they themselves acted as the talking heads of the bureaucracy of the European Union.

According to Rumen Radev, one of the issues he plans to raise at a meeting with Vladimir Putin will be the question of economic cooperation between the two countries. The President of Bulgaria noted that the issue is extremely relevant in connection with the current anti-Russian sanctions. Radev reminded that Bulgaria turned out to be one of the few countries of the European Union that did not send Russian diplomats at the direction of London in connection with the so-called “Skripal case”.



Rumen Radev in interview He noted that no sanctions are everlasting, on the assumption that they are detrimental not only to the country in respect of which they are imposed, but also to the country that introduces or supports such sanctions.

At the same time, the Bulgarian president noted that Bulgaria, as a member of NATO, was forced to comply with a number of obligations: in particular, the obligations that the country would not buy Russian military equipment. Radev said that Bulgaria is counting on upgrading the MiG-29 fighter jets that are in service, but it will not be able to buy new aircraft from the Russian Federation.

Rumen Radev added that cooperation on gas supplies from Russia would be an ideal option for the Bulgarian economy. directly. According to the head of state, official Sofia is interested in turning the country into an energy center in the south-east of the EU.

Bulgarian President: Build us "Bulgarian Stream"


Radev:
I believe that Bulgaria needs direct gas supplies from the Russian Federation through the Black Sea. Call it the "Bulgarian stream."


At the same time, Radev did not specify how he imagines the implementation of this “project”, given that the Bulgarian authorities had previously agreed with the opinion of Brussels that the country did not need the South Stream gas pipeline.

Radev also stated that he intends to raise the issue of the construction of Belene NPP, the termination of which by individual politicians in the country was exposed almost as a big victory.

For your information:: Major General Rumen Radev served as Commander of the Bulgarian Air Force from 2014 to 2016. He studied at the University of the Air Force named after G. Benkovsky (Bulgaria), and then he graduated from the Maxwell officer school (USA). In presidential position since January 2017.
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  1. +14
    21 May 2018 09: 23
    Bulgarian "swing".
    1. +59
      21 May 2018 09: 26
      No "bros"

      Only a normal commercial contract with guarantees

      1. +13
        21 May 2018 09: 29
        Vasya, hello! hi Again, the Bulgarians wagged aft ...
        1. +6
          21 May 2018 09: 31
          Pasha, good morning!
          hi

          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Again, the Bulgarians wagged aft ...


          good
          well said!

          It’s time for us to get used to such a policy of “friends”,
          for them (like so many others), wagging stern is a way of survival
          1. +12
            21 May 2018 09: 34
            Quote: bulvas
            for them (like so many others), wagging stern is a way of survival

            Well, yes, our Guarantor also does this ...
            1. +3
              21 May 2018 09: 36
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Well, yes, our Guarantor also does this ...


              All Guarantors do this when there are no other options.
              The main thing is to benefit all of us
              1. +15
                21 May 2018 09: 40
                Quote: bulvas
                All Guarantors do this when there are no other options.

                The main thing is not to overdo it with wagging, and it will tear that poop to hell. wink
                1. +5
                  21 May 2018 10: 09
                  This is yes.
                  Comrade Lukashenko A.G. in this case one of the first masters.
                  1. +2
                    21 May 2018 13: 24
                    Demand full prepayment, with the wording "in connection with the losses from the failure to build the South Stream".
                    1. +1
                      22 May 2018 13: 39
                      I quote: "I believe that Bulgaria needs direct gas supplies from the Russian Federation through the Black Sea. Let's call it the “Bulgarian stream”"We know - they swam. TiIPa - Make us nice - and we wave your hand and dance with your leg. There’s no pipe or stream - or NATO membership. - or another curator from the State Department will come and will strictly indicate a deviation from the general line
            2. +7
              21 May 2018 10: 10
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Well, yes, our Guarantor also does this ...

              Good morning! Well, as one of the colleagues from Belarusians mentioned, in Old Man this is called multivectorness in geopolitics.
              So, nothing new. And small countries have always been required to maneuver in the wake of the policies of larger states, there is no getting around it. And the wiser the ruler was, the richer his country became, receiving his preferences.
              1. +4
                21 May 2018 10: 14
                Good hi
                Quote: zhekazs
                in Old Man this is called multi-vector in geopolitics.

                That's right.
                Quote: zhekazs
                And small countries have always been required to maneuver in the wake of the policies of larger states, there is no getting around it. And the wiser the ruler was, the richer his country became, receiving his preferences.

                If only these preferences were not associated with the betrayal of real, not imaginary allies.
                1. +2
                  21 May 2018 12: 38
                  Old Man you have done well so that we would not talk about him. He is able to defend the interests of Belarus by all means, both in the international arena and domestically. We have a lot to learn from him. And how beautifully he crushed the Lipetsk Tractor Plant (LTZ planned to oust MTZ from the Russian market with its products) through the governor of the Lipetsk region.
                  1. +1
                    21 May 2018 12: 47
                    Quote: Bad_Santa
                    And how beautifully he crushed the Lipetsk Tractor Plant (LTZ planned to oust MTZ from the Russian market with its products) through the governor of the Lipetsk region.

                    I will not ask a trivial question about the facts of your statement. I’ll ask another question: how do you imagine this for yourself: the President of the Republic of Belarus through the governor of the region of the Russian Federation (!) Strangles the production of tractors in the Russian Federation?
                    1. +1
                      21 May 2018 15: 54
                      You can ask the residents of Lipetsk. And with what fright the governor received awards and thanks from Lukashenko. You can not talk about money
        2. +8
          21 May 2018 09: 35
          making sure. that Europeans need them only as an anti-Russian outpost, and no one promised to feed them, you involuntarily wail. oh, hard life is confusing .... Pasha. Hi hi
          1. +3
            21 May 2018 09: 39
            Hi Roma hi Anti-Russian ambition was somewhat reduced when they realized what they are for the West. Brothers negative
        3. +7
          21 May 2018 09: 39
          Hello, Pasha! hi
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Again, the Bulgarians wagged aft ...

          Their "feed" is already designed to fit the size of a gas pipe. laughing The LNG tanker will not go there (in the stern). Torn to shreds.
          1. +7
            21 May 2018 09: 43
            Victor, salute! hi
            Quote: Hire
            The LNG tanker will not go there (in the stern). Torn to shreds.

            The sheriff's blacks don't care. Got sweet promises? Now disintegrate in full!
            1. +4
              21 May 2018 11: 44
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              disintegrate in full!



              There were once "bros" .... and now, "sweatshy"!
              1. +4
                21 May 2018 12: 04
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                "potackyшku ''

                Ek, you softly ... lol
                1. +3
                  21 May 2018 15: 41
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Ek, you softly ...


                  This is nothing! It will be tougher after .... bully
        4. +5
          21 May 2018 09: 56
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Again, the Bulgarians wagged aft ...

          laughing
          It remains only to correctly decipher these movements. And then they all are not like people: “Yes” is, in our opinion, “No” and vice versa! sad
          1. +2
            21 May 2018 10: 02
            I agree, this nuance must be taken into account. lol
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              1. +2
                21 May 2018 12: 08
                Namesake hi
                Quote: MPN
                them to trust themselves not to respect

                To a greater extent this applies to the "civilized" curators and the top, which is fed from the western hand. Yes
                1. +3
                  21 May 2018 12: 41
                  From an economic and political point of view, a gas pipeline through the Crimea to Bulgaria, bypassing the territorial waters of Ukraine, would be ideal for us. Only Bulgaria is the same Ukraine, only a side view
                  1. +1
                    21 May 2018 16: 17
                    Quote: Bad_Santa
                    Bulgaria is the same Ukraine, only side view

                    ... and UWBs on top of the kit. Yes
                    1. 0
                      21 May 2018 19: 32
                      To begin with, Bulgaria must recognize Crimea as Russian, but to build a joint gas pipeline through the peninsula, and then talk about the matter. We must be able to set our own conditions, otherwise our interests have become like toilet paper for all countries
        5. +6
          21 May 2018 10: 09
          Pasha, good afternoon. The answer should follow-BUILD! What would be offensive for the money spent, when you were pulled by the fenders for the trunk.
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Vasya, hello! hi Again, the Bulgarians wagged aft ...
          1. +5
            21 May 2018 10: 11
            Dima, mutually! hi
            Quote: 210ox
            The answer should follow-BUILD!

            The Bulgarians, apparently, expect that kind Russia will build everything for them themselves, and they will only use the feeding trough. Yes
        6. +5
          21 May 2018 11: 15
          Good day, Pasha, this feed constantly wags, but as a result it always ends up in a different team, so the monument to Judah is free of charge, not a pipe (they were already offered, they pumped their chance in favor of fat bosses), so now let them smoke bamboo) )
          1. +3
            21 May 2018 12: 06
            Hi Zhenya ! hi
            Quote: Warrior with machine gun
            so now let them smoke bamboo))

            Note: they obviously want bamboo to be paid for. lol In fairness: not only the Bulgarians are freebies sin. wink
        7. 0
          21 May 2018 12: 49
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Vasya, hello! hi Again, the Bulgarians wagged aft ...

          Duc .. on two chairs one booty is difficult to sit! laughing
      2. +8
        21 May 2018 09: 31
        US "Brothers" will not allow guarantees.
        Let the "little brothers" buy gas at three times the price from these "guarantors" from the United States.
        In some ways, these "little brothers" remind jumpers from Ukraine.
      3. +13
        21 May 2018 09: 31
        ... Let's call it the "Bulgarian stream" ...

        Bulgarians are aware of the saying - "For your money - any whim"?
        Pay for the construction and name the pipes as you want.
        1. +5
          21 May 2018 09: 33
          Andrey, salute! hi
          Quote: Andrey K
          Pay for the construction and name the pipes as you want.

          But money is ahead, so as not to be mischievous ...
          1. +9
            21 May 2018 09: 38
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            ... But the money is ahead, so as not to be mischievous ...

            Pash welcome hi
            Radev expects at our expense to build a gas hub in Bulgaria and stick to the gas pipe belay
            Insolent incredible. This is probably taught at the officer school "Maxwell" feel
            As I understand it, there are presidential training courses laughing
            1. +4
              21 May 2018 09: 41
              Quote: Andrey K
              Radev expects at our expense to build a gas hub in Bulgaria and stick to the gas pipe

              So a living example in the form of Ukroreikh near by. wassat
            2. +6
              21 May 2018 10: 17
              Quote: Andrey K
              Radev expects at our expense to build a gas hub in Bulgaria and stick to the gas pipe

              Good morning! I think that there will be no "turn back" on gas. Then the train of Bulgarians had already left. And with the nuclear power plant - the project is beneficial for us, and it’s better for the Bulgarians to have their own source of energy - here, most likely the construction of the nuclear power plant will be the main topic of negotiations.
      4. +1
        21 May 2018 09: 39
        Quote: bulvas
        No "bros"

        Only a normal commercial contract with guarantees

        So ours and without guarantees can "storytelling" ...
        1. -1
          21 May 2018 10: 11
          These very ours earn money, as it should be under capitalism.
          If actions or decisions are not clear, think about money. This is 100% they.
      5. +4
        21 May 2018 09: 54
        Yes, 100% will agree, Gazprom needs to repay the money invested in the Southern Corridor, almost everything is ready for this, it remains to throw a pipe by sea.
        1. +13
          21 May 2018 10: 01
          Bulgarian President: Build us "Bulgarian Stream"

          For Russia, this is a way out. The Turkish stream is a forced option, which implies an inconvenient mediator between Europe and Russia. The pipe to Bulgaria is a straight pipe to Europe. And through Turkey it is generally unknown whether our gas will reach the Europeans. Problems and obstacles no less than with the Bulgarians in due time! The Turkish stream has not yet been completed, but Erdogan is already fully manipulating this.
          1. +9
            21 May 2018 10: 11
            Quote: Stas157
            For Russia, this is a way out.

            Diversification is always good. They want to build, let them pay denyuzhku. We, in principle, are in favor.
          2. +10
            21 May 2018 10: 36
            Russia needs the Bulgarian flow as air, it will deprive Erdogan of a monopoly on gas supplies to Southern Europe and deprive the sultan of one of the levers of pressure, and this lever will appear in our country, this is both a commercial and a political project at the same time, we can value both transit and gas to bargain for yourself. These pipelines are equivalent in capacity, more than 30 billion cubic meters. in year.
            1. +6
              21 May 2018 10: 51
              The pipeline is a very static construction and, if Radev leaves, may remain empty. But the LNG terminal is an option. Bulgaria is building, for its money, a terminal, and Russia at home. And Russia will be able to use its terminal not only in the "Bulgarian direction".
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        2. +7
          21 May 2018 10: 06
          We must pull the pipe through the Crimea. Total 370 km to Bulgarian Dobrudja. On the Kerch bridge, the pipes are ready. The shortest distance from all possible. Profitability is higher than all other options.
          1. +7
            21 May 2018 10: 39
            Nothing to pull through the Crimea. At least a couple of compressor stations need to be built, and another 300 km to be laid in the ground. This is a lot of money, at Russkaya two strings have already been brought to the sea, what the hell kind of a garden? By sea, definitely cheaper.
            1. +4
              21 May 2018 11: 04
              It is a pipe along the Kerch bridge, 3-4 has more capacity than the needs of the Crimea. Clearly sharpened on perspective. In addition, Gazprom's pipes / several hundred km / and sit in warehouses in Varna. Ready for use. 300 km by sea, this is nothing. To that the route goes on shallow water. Cheaper than you can imagine. In 2016, Gazprom surveyed the eastern coast of Crimea ... The problem is that the situation with the status of Crimea is ambiguous.
              1. +4
                21 May 2018 11: 18
                Quote: pytar
                The problem is that the situation with the status of Crimea is ambiguous.

                Why take the risk then?
                Turn to the Turks, they will throw you a pipe .. wink
                1. +5
                  21 May 2018 11: 59
                  Why risk then? Refer to the Turks, they will throw you a pipe ..

                  Yes, you have already turned to the Turks ... Let's wait, let's see how you do it with them ... bully
                  1. +3
                    21 May 2018 12: 11
                    Quote: pytar
                    Yes, you have already turned to the Turks.

                    Easier to negotiate with the enemy. But it is clear what to expect.
                    Than with slippery Slavic brothers, with character
                    baby ass.
                    1. +3
                      21 May 2018 12: 57
                      Easier to negotiate with the enemy. But it is clear what to expect.

                      From this the enemy will not become a friend. Moreover, he will have the opportunity to step on your foot at the right moment.
                      What with slippery brothers Slavs

                      Yes, you can not agree with any of the Slavs! laughing
                      with the character of a child ass.

                      You so!?!? interested in? belay Punished by law! negative
                      1. +2
                        21 May 2018 13: 07
                        Quote: pytar
                        your foot at the right moment.

                        So far only from friends have seen this.
                        Quote: pytar
                        Cheto can’t agree!

                        It is difficult to negotiate with traitors.
                        Quote: pytar
                        Is that you!?!? interested in? Punished by law!

                        Oh, the geyropeytsy..yes that in your head then ..
                        When they say the nature of a child’s ass, they mean
                        inconstancy, firmly popping up or splashing liquid .. fool
                  2. +2
                    21 May 2018 12: 48
                    Quote: pytar
                    Why risk then? Refer to the Turks, they will throw you a pipe ..

                    Yes, you have already turned to the Turks ... Let's wait, let's see how you do it with them ... bully


                    But with the Turks, everything just turns out fine, unlike the bros. There, people think with their heads and not opy.
              2. +2
                21 May 2018 11: 56
                Quote: pytar
                The problem is that the situation with the status of Crimea is ambiguous.

                What are you speaking about? No problems. And the status is clear, our Crimea!
              3. +1
                21 May 2018 12: 07
                Quote: pytar
                The problem is that the situation with the status of Crimea is ambiguous.

                And what is that ambiguous?
              4. +2
                21 May 2018 12: 50
                Quote: pytar
                It is a pipe along the Kerch bridge, 3-4 has more capacity than the needs of the Crimea. Clearly sharpened on perspective. In addition, Gazprom's pipes / several hundred km / and sit in warehouses in Varna. Ready for use. 300 km by sea, this is nothing. To that the route goes on shallow water. Cheaper than you can imagine. In 2016, Gazprom surveyed the eastern coast of Crimea ... The problem is that the situation with the status of Crimea is ambiguous.


                The status of Crimea, believe me, is unambiguous and will not change. And let the pipes lie to themselves in Varna.
              5. +1
                21 May 2018 14: 59
                Quote: pytar
                The problem is that the situation with the status of Crimea is ambiguous.


                This is how the situation with the Crimea is ambiguous? Do you really believe that the Crimea will again be handed over to Ukraine? Or is it the sanctions because of the Crimea?
          2. +3
            21 May 2018 12: 49
            Quote: pytar
            It is necessary to pull the pipe through the Crimea. Only 370 km to the Bulgarian Dobrudja

            You finance - we will extend! laughing
          3. +1
            21 May 2018 12: 52
            Quote: pytar
            We must pull the pipe through the Crimea. Total 370 km to Bulgarian Dobrudja. On the Kerch bridge, the pipes are ready. The shortest distance from all possible. Profitability is higher than all other options.


            Everything is true only your king is a foe. And with the enemies of the Russian Federation does not conduct business. When you choose a normal king and a government, then there will be a conversation.
      6. +8
        21 May 2018 10: 24
        No "bratushek." Only a normal commercial contract with guarantees

        Very correct! good Every contract has it! I like that, I can not imagine Gazprom in the role of "bratushka". He has never been like this. laughing
        1. +3
          21 May 2018 11: 22
          Quote: pytar
          "brother"

          Bratushka, this is now a household word, like the word partners ..
          Means Ivanov kinship nepomnyaschih
          Didn’t like the European tit? Crawled ..
          1. +4
            21 May 2018 12: 05
            Bratushka, this is now a household word, like the word partners ..

            Konstantin, bratushka are nations, people ... Neither Gazprom nor the ruling, we are not bro. They have different concepts, different goals.
            Means Ivanov kinship nepomnyaschih

            Ivans, are they called Russians? Although I believe that the blame for such an erratic situation is mainly the media.
            Did not like European Tits?

            Normal peasant, normal titka always like it! Well, while he is a man! laughing
            Crawled ..

            You obviously do not know that the initiative comes from both sides! RF and BG! wink
            1. +2
              21 May 2018 12: 17
              Quote: pytar
              bros are peoples people

              So you are from the ruling, judging by the comments ..
              Quote: pytar
              Ivanes, are they called Russians?

              Ivanov of all Slavs called, but you forgot about it.
              Quote: pytar
              Normal peasant, normal titka always like it! Well, while he is a man!

              Well done. I joked ..
              Quote: pytar
              You are clearly not aware that the initiative comes from both sides!

              If Putin were at least a little like you draw in the West ..
              Your cheeks would burst ..
              1. +2
                21 May 2018 13: 08
                So you're from the ruling, judging by the comments.

                Judging by your comments, you judge wrong. laughing
                Ivanov of all Slavs called, but you forgot about it.

                "Since the Second World War in Germany and the USA Russian call "Ivanami".
                Not Poles, not Serbs, not Czechs and Slovaks, not other Slavs.
                If Putin were even a little like you in the west draw ... You would have burst your cheeks ..

                I don’t know how they paint him in the West. We are not west and not east. We are south. So, cheeks do not burst. laughing
                1. +1
                  21 May 2018 13: 22
                  Quote: pytar
                  Judging by your comments, you judge wrong.

                  Right now I would like to listen to the Bulgarian .. what is wrong with me there ..
                  Quote: pytar
                  We are not west and not east. We are south.

                  It’s definitely not the west. You are the west, which means the south.
                  p / s Which button accordion ..
                2. +1
                  21 May 2018 16: 29
                  Quote: pytar
                  So, the cheeks will not burst.

                  means "crack crack Yes ". If something like this is not an insult, but folklore wink
                  From the point of view of Russia, Bulgaria has established itself as a completely non-independent state with an almost hostile ruling class towards us in the time after the collapse of the USSR. Accordingly, Putin and his team have an appropriate approach to all projects related to Bulgaria. In the sense: they will report to you - what you want and what you benefit. All the same, they will agree not with you, but with the EU and the USA. And your presidents, premieres, deputies are like that, carpeted in the arena of geopolitics.
                  1. +1
                    21 May 2018 17: 34
                    It means "crack cracks." If anything, this is not an insult, but folklore

                    Yes, I don't mind joking! Benefit Chyu present in me! laughing For some reason, when I answer jokes with a joke, I get warnings and bans! bully Clear discrimination is obtained. tongue
                    Bulgaria since the collapse of the USSR from the point of view of Russia ...

                    Neither I, nor you, express the official point of view of the authorities. In addition, as correctly noted, there are other points of view, besides that of the Russian Federation. In my opinion, the question is not who is right / such disputes can be endless /, but look for common interests. I think there are such, as evidenced by the statements of the parties.
                    In general, it seems to me that many of the commentators do not understand that our interests do not always coincide. This is an interesting fact. Therefore it is necessary to work where they coincide.
            2. +2
              21 May 2018 12: 47
              Quote: pytar

              You obviously do not know that the initiative comes from both sides! RF and BG! wink


              Why, you ... They’ve offered you several times to execute the South Stream treaty. You refused. They told you that if you don’t want it, then you do it at all. And now type again offered ??? Lie, do not lie. There was no such thing.
              1. 0
                22 May 2018 14: 57
                Don't let it lie. There was no such thing.

                https://rus.bg/bg/esche/smi-o-bolgarii/smi/18832-
                life-ru-gazprom-podtalkivayut-k-zamene-turetskogo
                -potoka-na-yuzhnyj
                A month ago, Gazprom again confirmed its interest in gas supplies directly to the hub of the Balkans / this is near Varna /. Just at the place where UP was supposed to be closed up.
                Read and learn. bully
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      7. +1
        21 May 2018 10: 45
        And they are again for the old:
        Rumen Radev added that an ideal option for the Bulgarian economy would be cooperation on gas supplies from Russia directly.

        At the same time, let Russia build for its grandmas, pump gas for free, and they will again spoil our heads ...
      8. +1
        21 May 2018 10: 49
        Just "bros" have seen, but as always late !!
      9. 0
        21 May 2018 12: 42
        Quote: bulvas
        No "bros"

        Only a normal commercial contract with guarantees


        This is not right. Like it or not, but bros. Although of course they behave like swine.
      10. +1
        21 May 2018 13: 01
        And 100% prepayment, they themselves are to blame.
      11. +1
        21 May 2018 15: 39
        Quote: bulvas
        No "bros"

        Only a normal commercial contract with guarantees

        With guarantees? What guarantees can they have if they were forced to shut down their own Kozloduy NPP? What they say, they will do it! No, they refused the flow once - it’s too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys refused! Without you, bro!
        1. +1
          21 May 2018 18: 15
          What guarantees can they have if they were forced to close their own Kozloduy NPP?

          laughing laughing good Yes, Kozloduy NPP is working normally. In 2017, the license was extended to 2030, with the option to continue to 2040. The 2 (generally 2000 MW) of the WWR-1000 reactor is currently in operation. 4 (generally 1760 MW) older closed. During the operation of the central, 8 crashes of the I and II stages occurred. All with reactors that are now closed.
          Recently, the government thawed the construction of the second Belene NPP. According to expert estimates, completed in 7-8 years.
          At the same time in Bulgaria, ALREADY 18,8% ELECTRIC ENERGY is extracted from renewable sources.
          1. +1
            21 May 2018 18: 43
            Quote: pytar
            What guarantees can they have if they were forced to close their own Kozloduy NPP?

            laughing laughing good Yes, the Kozloduy NPP is working normally.


            In 2002 and 2006, Bulgaria closed the first four blocks of nuclear power plants, fulfilling the conditions for joining the European Union - is this called working fine?

            At the same time in Bulgaria, ALREADY 18,8% ELECTRIC ENERGY is extracted from renewable sources.

            So it is true, but only the price of this "green" electricity is 10 times higher laughing
            1. +1
              21 May 2018 23: 15
              4 block in which 8 critical accidents occurred. In your opinion, everything works well until it explodes?
              The price of green energy is higher, but there is no need to store radioactive waste for hundreds of years. By the way, the price of electricity from Kozloduy NPP is lower, because when they built they forgot to calculate how much it will cost to dispose of after the end of its life. So we are paying, part of its cost.
              It is wiser to spend money on energy-saving technologies than on fuel. But this does not apply to you ... laughing
      12. +3
        21 May 2018 21: 55
        Quote: bulvas
        Only a normal commercial contract with guarantees

        recourse recourse no guarantees ... let at their own expense stretch the pipe and pay for all the "plus" costs !!! am am wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      13. 0
        22 May 2018 10: 16
        If you want to have friends as a global geopolitical center, you need to pay. The USA did not skimp on such friendship expenses, so D. Trump began to pinch and agreements and friendship rained down. Moreover, Slavic states cannot be lost. Here Ukraine was squeezed by gas and oil, and the split accelerated and became insurmountable for the next century, but it’s determined by money ... Of course, you need to lay a branch to Bulgaria along the old South Stream. This became possible with the differences between the USA and Europe ... It is necessary to look strategically and at large periods of time, but our mercantile and short-sighted government, gaining every minute benefit, strategically lose tenfold ...
        1. +1
          22 May 2018 14: 29
          "If you want to have friends as a global geopolitical center, you need to pay."
          For money - this is not friendship, but prostitution!
      14. 0
        22 May 2018 13: 53
        What are their guarantees, if they are worthless to any agreements in the modern world. We need gas, let them take loans and build themselves, since all the documentation, both technical and permissive, has long been ready. We reached the sea a thread, and then ourselves. Gas delivery can be done ashore. On which, it can then be decided.
    2. +6
      21 May 2018 09: 27
      This is from the category and eat a fish ... and ... further in the text ...
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    3. +15
      21 May 2018 09: 27
      And what is the question? Get consent, and build it yourself, this "stream." We need pipes, contact, we will sell. winked Or are the Bulgarians unable to break the habit of the Soviet "freebie"? lol
      1. +9
        21 May 2018 09: 37
        of course. and the whole European Union was perceived as a continuation of the Soviet freebie, and there are wolf laws
        1. +2
          21 May 2018 10: 00
          Bulgarian President: Build us "Bulgarian Stream"
          oh how .. the "south stream" didn’t arrange, give the "Bulgarian" ... the "little brothers" are odd ... Yes
        2. +1
          21 May 2018 10: 00
          Will a new general come and again separate tobacco?
          It’s not possible to build normal, mutually beneficial relations with the geyropa; how big brother seems.
      2. +4
        21 May 2018 10: 27
        Need a pipe, please, sell.

        You obviously do not know ... wink Pipes and stand on a warehouse in Varna! Hundreds of kilometers of pipe! Gazprom pay each year, by 1,5 million $ for storage. Why not be in a hurry to take them back to you ... Didn't you know that? laughing
        1. +2
          21 May 2018 11: 46
          Quote: pytar
          Need a pipe, please, sell.

          You obviously do not know ... wink Pipes and stand on a warehouse in Varna! Hundreds of kilometers of pipe! Gazprom pay each year, by 1,5 million $ for storage. Why not be in a hurry to take them back to you ... Didn't you know that? laughing

          I want it, I don’t want it, it’s unlikely that someone will start building something for you, but in order to believe you must find a guarantor for yourself, let the EU finance the Bulgarian part of the project, because Gazprom will definitely not get in touch
          1. 0
            21 May 2018 12: 10
            then I want, I do not want, with such a position it is unlikely that someone will be building something for you ..

            It is exactly what Gazprom holds up! "I want, I do not want!" Normally for a mega-company that cannot be determined from its priorities. bully
            let the EU finance the Bulgarian part of the project, because Gazprom will not be able to contact already having burned itself

            Oddly enough, there are investors! From the Russian Federation, too, by the way ... laughing
            1. +2
              21 May 2018 14: 00
              pytar, pipes lie to continue the branches of the Turkish stream - what to pull them here.
              and your sarcasm or humor about Gazprom - I want to build, I don’t want to - do you understand what you wrote? Bulgaria itself abandoned the UP, and Gazprom is to blame. Amazingly you write.
              One word is south. That is, to paraphrase you - not tudy and not syudy
              1. +1
                21 May 2018 18: 58
                Bulgaria itself refused from UP

                Can you approve this hardening documents? laughing If not, then you write this amazingly! wink
                1. +1
                  21 May 2018 21: 02
                  Quote: pytar
                  Can you approve this hardening documents?

                  But then you do not confirm any documents.
                2. 0
                  22 May 2018 12: 31
                  pytar, an agreement on the construction of the south stream was signed in 2008. Ask your government for a copy of the Agreement; I am not an official and do not have this document.
                  Since 2008, a thread has been brought to the Black Sea from the Russian side of the year, pipes have been brought to you, land has been bought for pipe laying, and technical capacities have been prepared for laying along the bottom.
                  And what about the Bulgarian side? The landing of American senators arrived, the Bulgarian government kissed their sworn friends on NATO, the Bulgarians were threatened with a finger from the European Union - and that’s all, Bulgarian economic sovereignty was blown away immediately. The Bulgarian government announced the freezing of all work on the South Stream pending permission from EU officials.
                  In short, the Russians waited until December 1, 2014, and then they spat and built a branch to the Turks. Now even economically - you are closer to the Turkish pipe - 50 km by land-pah.
                  Do you understand that you are not able to speak? What can we talk about?
                  Oh, NATO brothers
                  1. 0
                    22 May 2018 13: 21
                    Ask your government a copy of the Treaty; I am not an official and do not have this document.

                    I do not need, I worked with the Bulgarian side on the project. I have the appropriate information.
                    ... the landing of American senators ... The Bulgarian government announced the freezing of all work on the UP until permission from EU officials.

                    Gazprom did not know that Bulgaria is the territory of the EU and is there EU rules in force? Why did they not take into account possible opposition from the United States, despite advance warnings? And KSAT BG Government stated about temporary reinstallation of works, until troubleshooting! This is Gazprom announced termination!
                    ... and everything, the Bulgarian economic sovereignty as soon as the wind blew away

                    You are strange people! Membership in unions always provides for certain obligations! It is the same with the Customs Union!
                    Do you understand that you are not able to speak? What can we talk about?

                    According to national projects, no problem! Supranational require coherence with the EU. Fine.
                    Here is the latest information about the opinions of Russian specialists, expressed the morning before the meeting of R. Radev and V. Putin. It is in Bulgarian, but I think Russian is understandable.

                    Bulgaria 22 May 2018
                    SPARED EXPERT MANAGES IMAGE A REALITY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR REALIZATION ON THE DIRECTN GAS VARIABLE BETWEEN DUE TO COUNTRIES
                    Dnes Presidente Radev now meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi. Already, the topic for directing gas delivery from Russia to Bulgaria is. Spread ruskite expert real estate opportunity for selling on direct gas between the two countries. Bulgaria is the definition of a chance. Paravata cut-off on the “Turski Stream” is built up to the border in Turkey. In parallel, the second cut-off was built up to the water area of ​​Bulgaria, ”the FNF expert Igor Yushkov said. Sponsored him for all the rest of the year, as a route to the second prize in Bulgaria. Experts add, after the signing of the agreement, you need an intergovernmental agreement. Parviyat deputy. The chairman of the KE on Dzhrzhavnata Duma Igor Anansky is ruined, what about the construction of the “Bulgarian stream”, depending on the actions taken by the authorities in Sofia. “Without reduction, the gas transmission system in Bulgaria is much developed. According to the principle, it is convenient to enter the gas to the river. And patyat for South Europe in a short time. Plus a lot of sa. It’s not by chance that in the early “Yuzhen Stream”, we have already planned the prese Bulgaria. But, for pulling it off, send the EU such a project, but it was postponed. Rusia is ready and ready for “South Stream”, or “Bulgarian Stream” with the position on Bulgaria, commented Anansky.
                    1. +1
                      22 May 2018 14: 36
                      "And Ksati BG the government announced a temporary re-installation of work,"
                      In Russia they say: "There is nothing more permanent than temporary!"
                      1. 0
                        22 May 2018 14: 47
                        I translate for you, part of the text above: “The expert (Russian) explained that all the necessary documents have already been signed. Russia is ready to vryat to discuss the UP or the so-called Bulgarian Stream ...”
                        Let's see how permanent it will be temporary. bully
        2. +3
          21 May 2018 11: 50
          Look, in Hungary, the orban sent bureaucrats from Brussels and builds nuclear power plants. You could have done the same then, but your authorities didn’t want to, where is your former president now? go live and work in Europe, and he doesn’t give a damn about his hometown from a large bell tower, because he put money in a bank for an anti-Russian position that he was paid
          1. +1
            21 May 2018 12: 15
            won in Hungary orban all sent bureaucrats from brussels and aes is building

            Graz, you and the majority of the people who write here are clearly not in the know ... A week ago, the Bulgarian government thawed a project for the construction of Belene NPP. 2 large investors - 1 from China and Rossat will compete.
            In principle, there is a policy of the possible. If the UP would relate only to Bulgaria, the thing is one ... BG in principle does not need it for its market. But since it is part of the pan-European project, there are different rules for it.
            1. +1
              21 May 2018 14: 49
              Quote: pytar
              BG in principle does not need it for its market

              Well then what is the conversation about? Doesn’t need so let others buy. Previously, it was necessary to think about pan-European activity and its benefits. The train left. You were offered. I note that Russia did not first offer Turkey, namely Bulgaria.
              1. +1
                21 May 2018 19: 02
                Gentlemen, you should calm down and reduce the intensity of emotions. All the conclusions that you are doing now may turn out to be erroneous. laughing Honestly, I won’t be surprised! hi
                1. +1
                  22 May 2018 14: 38
                  The blind man said - see!
            2. 0
              22 May 2018 13: 10
              A week ago, the Bulgarian government thawed a project for the construction of Belene NPP
              . that's the whole point - today it thawed, tomorrow it froze. Ksati, has the Bulgarian government already paid the fine for violating the Treaty of $ 600 million?
              If UP would apply only to Bulgaria, one thing ... BG, in principle, does not need it for its market. But since it is part of a pan-European project, other rules apply to it.

              They would receive $ 400 million a year for transit, if you don’t need it, sit, drink beer, click seeds. Now shake the money from the Europeans, since you don’t need it. They will get the wallets now and how they will begin to compensate you. The main thing is that there is enough space for money, where to put it.
              You also refused the transit oil pipeline
              Again, our aircraft are deployed in the air ... Thank you
              Now your national pride does not hurt that they twist you as they want?
              1. 0
                22 May 2018 14: 36
                1. Deposits for Belene NPP paid. If they continued the rack, they would drown with another 7-8 billionaire. By the way, and held a referendum. Supporters of the project, collected all 12%. Now the government has thwarted the site. 3 appeared competing investors who want to deserve the ego at their own expense and without the obligation of the state. The winner in the competition will be building at his own expense and at his own risk.
                2.400 million in transit is good, but the profit will be in 10 years and that is not guaranteed. Moreover, losses due to fines will be much greater. The EU has its own rules, such as that of the CU.
                3. Aircraft still flew. Without a lot of hype. And the posters are not set.
                4. Twist your televisions. You should listen to the citizens of the country you are discussing. They know the situation in their country better than you.
                1. 0
                  22 May 2018 15: 26
                  pytar, intergovernmental agreements and contracts were signed at nuclear power plants, where would you drown? You were betrayed (or sold) at the top and the construction was turned off. Now again you are thinking of continuing. Gather a referendum - and again successfully change your mind or the European Union or the Americans will come up with some new sanctions fines. Or the government will change and change its mind. There are many options.
                  About transit fines - I’m talking about that - now there is no economic sovereignty in Bulgaria.
                  About airplanes - of course they flew. But then.
                  About the TV. I tell you about the facts, and you about the TV. I do not argue that you are more aware of the situation in your country.
                  1. 0
                    22 May 2018 16: 26
                    Disant , 1.NPP Belene was founded since 81! He has a long, controversial history and cannot be judged by two terms, "as it is"! Neither you nor I are not Wang, so that Vangov, what happens next! Probably, all the same will finish, although there is no guarantee that the title will be Rossat. The Chinese are very energetic, and the French can not be written off from competitors! It and Rossatom have already announced that they will participate in the tender as a captioner, or as a sub-supplier.
                    2. You are sorry, but confuse things! Suverinitet is full, no one country in the world! All from each other, as it depends! Small countries, it is more difficult to protect their national interests. But the money from the transit of gas for Bulgaria is no more important than the benefits of EU membership. So says most of the population. Subject for another conversation.
                    3. Planes flew before the time - and after. My friend works as an air traffic controller and told. Known case when the aircraft was wrapped was associated with specific technical and legal problems. I will not go into details, as we open another thread from the discussions.
                    4. If you judge from the TV, then with the facts you will have problems. I mean that. They are televisions, such ... Instead of arguing, listen to us, who live in our country all our life! Probably learn a lot of things, did not know. hi
                    1. 0
                      22 May 2018 21: 26
                      pytar, you can't hear me.
                      If for airplanes - then I'm talking about transporters who urgently flew to Syria in connection with the start of the Russian operation in Syria in 2015. What happened afterwards is no longer important. The moment is important. Bulgarians showed who is the master in the Bulgarian house.
                      Do you understand that from these moments a judgment is formed about the Bulgarians and Bulgaria as a whole? And the TV has nothing to do with it - you have too high an opinion about our television. In the comments here, you already remembered the first and second world ones. But why climbed into NATO? And the fascists who paint the monuments, why not catch it? Even if, as you say, it is more difficult for small countries like Bulgaria to defend their national interests, this is no reason to turn into a colony.
                      About the long history of Belene NPP - what do you think, why is it long? Briefly, a couple of phrases describe your position
      3. +1
        21 May 2018 10: 51
        Yes, in this case, the elbow is nearby, ah the current does not bite now !!
    4. +1
      21 May 2018 14: 38
      Quote: RUSS
      Bulgarian "swing".

      ======
      Once they "Bulgarian stream" ALREADY BUILT !!!!! Themselves refused ........
      Now "zn for fish pennies" (once again money for fish) ????
      If only I DECIDED first !!!!
    5. 0
      22 May 2018 09: 12
      Rumen Radev added that an ideal option for the Bulgarian economy would be cooperation on gas supplies from Russia directly.
      I remember someone rubbed that for Bulgaria a direct branch is not profitable. A bunch of conclusions resulted. laughing
  2. +4
    21 May 2018 09: 24
    Let them buy gas from the United States.
    1. +4
      21 May 2018 09: 27
      Then, for Turkey, if the Turks continue to pull a branch through Bulgaria. With our gas directly, the Bulgarians were already late, too long exchanged.
      1. 0
        22 May 2018 14: 40
        But the second branch of the "Turkish stream" is stopped at the turning point on Bulgaria ..... Wait, sir!
  3. +5
    21 May 2018 09: 27
    Engaging in prostitution is also not easy ...
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 09: 41
      I sympathize with you! crying I didn’t have to, but I understand.
      1. 0
        21 May 2018 09: 55
        Me ???)) why would ?!
        This, you, the Bulgarian elite must sympathize)
        That they work, in the "sweat" lol
        Let them continue ..)
        1. +2
          21 May 2018 10: 17
          I feel sorry for people, not the "top" winked
          I myself sometimes get into contexts in my posts. But a laugh in a friendly company also does not interfere. So, no offense. drinks
          1. +1
            21 May 2018 10: 41
            All perfectly! good
            drinks
            Nothing changes in this world: "the pans are amusing, but for the lackeys, their foreheads are cracking"
  4. +8
    21 May 2018 09: 27
    "President of Bulgaria: Build us a" Bulgarian stream "

    Bulgarian chameleons ...
  5. +5
    21 May 2018 09: 28
    If we proceed from the fact that the Bulgarians are "independent" in foreign policy, then all these are pre-train topics, sucked from the finger. In fact, all their desires and opportunities are known.
  6. +3
    21 May 2018 09: 29
    Let the Americans build them a Bulgarian stream.
  7. +1
    21 May 2018 09: 29
    Weathervane ... Nah, such "little brothers" ... Let them go through the woods and buy gas from their "NATO friends" of the Turks.
    1. +4
      21 May 2018 09: 55
      Why should they give almost our money?
      Can't Russia sell liquefied gas to Bulgaria? Yes Easy! But we need a "stream", let them build it themselves, Russia can pump through the pipe. Just do not build. The owner will not allow it. And they don’t have money for the pipeline.
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 10: 08
        If they want a gas pipeline, they will have to look for grandmas.
      2. +1
        21 May 2018 19: 05
        Why should they give almost our money?

        Where is it written? III ... your money or almost yours? I ask because the difference is big! laughing
  8. +3
    21 May 2018 09: 32
    Is there any economic feasibility for Russia in this? There is a gas pipeline to Turkey, and buy there. Once Russia liberated Bulgaria from the Ottoman Empire and what it received in return - in two world wars Bulgaria was on the side of the enemies. The people of Bulgaria may and may be well disposed towards Russia, but they choose the political elite absolutely hostile to it. So there is no "brotherly love" - ​​only commercial relations, it will be profitable to build everything, no, no.
  9. 0
    21 May 2018 09: 32
    It’s too late to drink Borjomi, not some contracts with little brothers who are worse than enemies.
  10. +6
    21 May 2018 09: 33
    previously, it was the Bulgarian authorities who agreed with Brussels that the country does not need the South Stream gas pipeline

    Profukali, now they bite their elbows ... and happiness was so close ... wink
  11. +8
    21 May 2018 09: 34
    Wait, wait. The keyboard has not had time to cool down yet. December 2014:

    The South Stream gas pipeline was designed to ensure uninterrupted supplies of blue fuel from Russia to the EU and to reduce the EU’s dependence on the countries transiting Russian gas. In addition to Gazprom, the largest energy companies from Germany, Italy and France volunteered to participate. However, Bulgaria did not give permission to build a gas pipeline on its territory, and the project was closed. This decision is disadvantageous both for Gazprom’s European partners participating in the South Stream, and for Bulgaria itself, which lost € 16,7 billion.

    And what, we begin to build and this lecho-country will again jump off by order from the EU?
    1. +1
      21 May 2018 09: 56
      Why from the EU ?! No, from the SGA.
    2. +3
      21 May 2018 10: 33
      Quote: Moskovit
      However, Bulgaria did not give permission to build a gas pipeline on its territory, and the project was closed.

      Well, you don’t think that the President of Bulgaria is such a fool that for no reason he hopes to resume a closed project? As I see it, the Bulgarians looked at the freaks of their neighbors, the Turks, and decided to troll a little and the Chief Lord and Brussels. What goals the Bulgarian leadership sets in this game are their problems. There will be a mutually beneficial continuation of the project with nuclear power plants - good. Well, a gas pipe to Bulgaria - it would be nice for us, in the sense that the Turks would not have any moods in the future when they would sit on a gas pipe for southern Europe. The question here is whether the capacity of the pipe brought to the Black Sea is enough to make a hub in Bulgaria, whether it needs to be increased, whether it will be economically profitable.
      1. 0
        22 May 2018 14: 46
        By what has already been laid in Turkey, gas goes only for Turkey. Here for us there can be no intrigues. Close the valve. But transit risks - yes!
  12. +4
    21 May 2018 09: 35
    Once the pipeline suddenly became needed, let them build it themselves. And then do everything for them, and they will only collect money.
    1. +1
      21 May 2018 19: 07
      let them build themselves.

      This is an ideal variant! good The dream of investors! wink
  13. HAM
    +6
    21 May 2018 09: 37
    "Well, what, son, have your Yankees helped you !?"
    Like a cock pecking, so again "bros", hypocrites, eprst ..
  14. +9
    21 May 2018 09: 37
    Bulgaria turned out to be one of the few EU countries that did not expel Russian diplomats at the direction of London

    Interesting girls are dancing ... now everyone who has not sent our diplomats will credit this and demand preferences? what
    1. LMN
      +8
      21 May 2018 10: 46
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Bulgaria turned out to be one of the few EU countries that did not expel Russian diplomats at the direction of London

      Interesting girls are dancing ... now everyone who has not sent our diplomats will credit this and demand preferences? what

      Yeah. It feels like some live in other realities. lol
      And Germany, for example .. sent our diplomats feel ..and nothing, SP-2 is being built. That is, there is no connection.
      Apparently apart from diplomacy, there’s nothing more to boast of request
  15. +2
    21 May 2018 09: 38
    money up front !
  16. +1
    21 May 2018 09: 39
    Power! In this life, only power is respected ...
  17. +4
    21 May 2018 09: 39
    Radev noted that Bulgaria is counting on the modernization of the MiG-29 fighter aircraft in service, but will not be able to purchase new aircraft from the Russian Federation.

    What Fu-35 they have not yet been offered their "friends"?
    1. +3
      21 May 2018 10: 36
      What Fu-35 they have not yet been offered their "friends"?

      So far, not offered. Gripen, F-16, F-18, Rafale, Eurofighter. On the 16, the new aircraft already have money in the budget that has been allocated. Tender conditions are still being worked out. The contract with the RSK MiG on the 19 MiG-29 airworthiness recovery program has already been signed. In general, the Air Force will be armed with a 35 fighter. hi
      1. +1
        21 May 2018 11: 27
        Quote: pytar
        Gripen, F-16, F-18, Rafal, Eurofighter.

        All the trash from Europe collected ..
        1. +2
          21 May 2018 12: 20
          All the trash from Europe collected ..

          The proposed Gripen, Rafale and F-18 offer new in the latest configuration. Swedes actually offer full offset. 100% reinvestment in the Bulgarian economy.
          1. +1
            21 May 2018 12: 24
            Quote: pytar
            Swedes generally offer a full offset

            So maybe the Swedes will throw you a pipe ..
            1. +2
              21 May 2018 13: 17
              So maybe the Swedes will throw you a pipe ..

              You have some kind of pipe mania! laughing Not to be confused with turbo-mania! wink
              Constantly rushing back and forth with some pipes! lol
              1. 0
                21 May 2018 16: 07
                Quote: pytar
                Constantly rushing back and forth with some pipes!

                So there are so many beggars around, throw it to everyone, and in response to the slop .. request
                1. +1
                  21 May 2018 19: 10
                  So there are so many beggars around, throw it to everyone, and in response to the slop ..

                  So what are you rushing about then? belay Drop the pipe and enjoy life! fellow
      2. 0
        22 May 2018 14: 48
        "For 16 new aircraft, money has already been allocated in the budget."
        I’m embarrassed to ask, against whom are you arming yourself !?
  18. +1
    21 May 2018 09: 40
    And you would not have gone, Mr. Radev, to a well-known Russian address.
    1. +4
      21 May 2018 10: 39
      Dmitry, with all my respect for the Russians, your wish is not a decree for President Radev. laughing At the address you specify, you can send only those who use GLONASS. laughing
      1. +4
        21 May 2018 11: 28
        Quote: pytar
        You can send only those who use GLONASS

        For this, glonass is not needed, it is shown by hand ..
        1. +2
          21 May 2018 12: 22
          For this, glonass is not needed, it is shown by hand ..

          Are you there, that little man who cheto waving from the handle? laughing I'm afraid they won't notice you! If you can jump! fellow
          1. 0
            22 May 2018 14: 51
            Look, what a daring “proud and independent” Bulgarian under NATO? Under Hitler probably were the same?
      2. +1
        21 May 2018 12: 55
        Quote: pytar
        your wish is not a decree for President Radev

        After all, the Siberian did not indicate the address - but what if he meant: "To Fashington for instruction?" Then a decree, and what a formidable one!
      3. 0
        21 May 2018 15: 06
        And if I were you, I would not be so proud of my president. He has no voice. They barked from Brussels so that they refused the south stream and he did it to the detriment of his people. And now I crawled. President of the Great and Independent Bulgaria tongue tongue
        1. +1
          21 May 2018 16: 10
          Quote: Sibiryak 1975
          And if I were you, I would not be so proud of my president.

          As a topic about Bulgaria pops up, so Boyan is on stage ..
          Maybe he writes an article to attach a bag of manure ..
          In general, he confirms in his own words that I think of the Bulgarians.
          1. +1
            21 May 2018 19: 13
            Hi Konstantin! Tusuyus here sometimes! laughing Really funny! Fun! fellow
            I’ll write a article soon. Siding laziness. drinks And what do you think about the Bulgarians, they are on the drum. hi
  19. +8
    21 May 2018 09: 41
    I read the article several times. Build us did not see. Udel: Interested in cooperation and interested in direct deliveries ..
    Author, you either distort or unfinish
    1. +5
      21 May 2018 10: 03
      And what can be distorted here ?! Bulgaria, by virtue of its full dependence, cannot be a reliable, conscientious partner! To deal with such states, if I may say so, it is possible exclusively under reliable third-party guarantees, or you can lay probable risks initially in the price of the product and on an advance payment and very carefully! Better yet, do not deal with such partners at all!
      1. +1
        21 May 2018 10: 47
        Practice shows that the "guarantees" of a third party are not at all a guarantee!
      2. +3
        21 May 2018 11: 13
        ... Bulgaria, by virtue of its complete dependence, cannot be a reliable, faithful partner! We can deal with such states only under reliable guarantees of a third party, or to put probable risks initially in the price of the product and on prepayment, and very carefully! And it’s even better not to deal with such partners at all!

        And you obviously do not know that the UP is not a project of a rough between the BG and the Russian Federation! laughing "Third" side / EU / in essence First. If the final counterparties - the EU and the Russian Federation - do not agree, for which ZZZ does Bulgaria need an empty pipe? Who will transit gas? lol By the way, you are right that the risks should be taken into account. Gazprom did not do this, despite warnings from Bulgarian specialists. Being too self-confident, sometimes expensive ... wink
    2. 0
      21 May 2018 10: 04
      Radev voiced his dreams, and the practical conversation will be behind tightly closed doors. The Bulgarians grasped the moment very subtly - the Amerzians press on SP-2, and the Bulgarian stream has a chance. What if it grows together? For the construction of the pipe, the Bulgarians have dumb pennies, there will be carol credits, including from Russia. The main question is whether the owners will solve it, or by the principle - are cats busy among themselves, mice in a hut in a dance? Apart from the voiced words of Radev, the author does not have and cannot have more information. Till.
      1. +3
        21 May 2018 10: 42
        Radev voiced his dreams, and the practical conversation will be behind tightly closed doors.

        You are undoubtedly right! What the presidents will discuss, we do not know. There is mutual interest. Let's wait for the results. And before the sofa "experts" let them continue to practice the verbiage. wink
    3. +2
      21 May 2018 10: 15
      Author, you either distort or unfinish

      This is "normal practice" in the media. Distortion, omissions, outright deza. So "work". wink
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 10: 27
        That is, do you think that Bulgaria, for its hard-earned money, will pull the gas pipeline itself? If so, then God help you!
        1. +3
          21 May 2018 10: 43
          I expressed an opinion about the article (post), and not about who and how and for whose money wants to pull the gas pipeline. I am so far from their construction that my opinion on this means absolutely nothing
          1. +4
            21 May 2018 16: 10
            No one will invest their money for "thank you", especially in big business. The whole problem of the South Stream was precisely in the subsequent ownership of the gas pipeline. Gazprom was supposed to invest there its finances, but had no right to receive income from its operation! It was in these incomes that there was a problem. Given the possibility of future connection of gas from other suppliers and a decrease in the consumption of Russian gas, Gazprom could lose not only the income from the operation of the gas pipeline, but also the guarantee for the purchase of Russian gas, and this would be a great nonsense to conduct such a business. In fact, Gazprom is required to create infrastructure for its potential competitors. This article is only one of a series of slurred chewing on an already fed up topic, without serious disclosure and analysis.
            Quote: Troll
            I expressed an opinion about the article (post), and not about who and how and for whose money wants to pull the gas pipeline. I am so far from their construction that my opinion on this means absolutely nothing
            1. +1
              21 May 2018 19: 15
              Charon, class from me! All told for sure! hi
        2. +2
          21 May 2018 11: 15
          This is a trade. Gas will not go in vain, either in the south or in the north. It’s just that gas delivery is part of geopolitics, where the big players (Russia and the USA) kick back. The rest is from the evil one ...
        3. +5
          21 May 2018 11: 18
          That is, do you think that Bulgaria, for its hard-earned money, will pull the gas pipeline itself? If so, then God help you!

          Since I am professionally aware of this topic, I will say that it is precisely in whose property the pipe will be the whole conflict! You might be surprised, but just Gazprom, you want to invest in the pipe, so that it remains in his property. What is at odds with the EU "antitrust legislation". Investors who are ready to take on funding there. Even some kind of Chinese company appeared recently.
          1. +4
            21 May 2018 12: 01
            I put you a plus, for clarifying the essence of the issue)
            So explain, please: if Gazprom invests in a pipe, then why shouldn't it belong to it?)
            1. +3
              21 May 2018 13: 22
              So explain, please: if Gazprom invests in a pipe, then why shouldn't it belong to it?)

              Thanks Alexey! Also put you a plus, for adequacy! good
              I believe that the pipe should be owned by investors. If Gazprom is an investor, then it should be the owner! But whether it will depend on other factors. You see, here contradictory business interests of large structures that influence politicians are crossed!
              1. 0
                21 May 2018 13: 56
                You answered very streamlined)
                In Russia, it has always been accepted: "whoever dines for a girl, he dances her!")
                1. +2
                  21 May 2018 15: 29
                  I try not to go beyond public information. fellow
                  Besides, I’m constantly banned, so I’ll have to leave this site soon. lol As I understand, you do not need information from the place of events. wink
                  1. 0
                    21 May 2018 16: 23
                    ) how is it not needed if I asked you?
                    Just reading you, I understand that "Gazprom is to blame." So, I want to understand the real essence of the problem, from the initial failure of Bulgaria, from the project, to the events of today
                    1. +3
                      21 May 2018 19: 31
                      Well, I gathered here a bunch of warnings ... lol Alexei, there is much that does not reach the public space. For example, facts of connivance of Gazprom in this case. I know that in 2015, if I’m not mistaken, I read one single objective article and then / be surprised /, which was painted on the company's website! It recognized part of the blunders and the real reasons for Gazprom’s refusal from the project !!! Then they quickly removed it! The bottom line was that due to sanctions, lower gas prices, the positions of the EC, UP became risky. Gazprom wasn’t enough for that (I don’t remember the figure), but it seems like several tens of billions of dollars for investments. They had to revise some projects whose payback period is longer. In the circles of Bulgarian specialists involved in the project, it was said that Gazprom was trying to leave in such a way as not to pay contractual forfeits. Bulgaria has never abandoned UP. There is no document confirming this thesis! I’ll tell you a secret that Gazprom, despite political announcements about leaving the project, sent an official refusal, a year and a half after them. All this time, the Bulgarian side unilaterally continued to work. An external observer could follow the procedures on the municipal Bulgarian sites without any problems. After the EC’s decision, the Bulgarian side proposed that Gazprom temporarily reinstall the works and started looking for a way out of the situation that had been created. Gazprom used the situation to leave, throwing all the blame on the Bulgarians. Moreover, all this was accompanied by a disinformation campaign against Bulgaria. Fortunately, Gazprom has all the necessary resources for this! I will ask you one simple question! If Bulgaria would violate a clause in the agreements, would Gazprom condemn it to billions of dollars? Example - Rosatom condemned Bulgaria to 700 million euros of penalties due to AEC Belene! Tell me, why then Bulgaria did not sue Gazprom? I was also surprised, since ours had every reason! From the perspective of time, I understand that, while maintaining calm, Bulgaria has retained the opportunity for future projects with the participation of Gazprom and the Russian Federation. So we will see whether this decision was correct or erroneous.
                      1. +4
                        21 May 2018 19: 56
                        From the perspective of time, I understand that, while maintaining calm, Bulgaria has retained the opportunity for future projects with the participation of Gazprom and the Russian Federation. So we will see whether this decision was correct or erroneous.

                        Thank you for your view from Bulgaria on this fuss on the South Stream! hi
                      2. +2
                        21 May 2018 20: 19
                        Actually, your position is clear.
                        Well, who, from the "cheers" of the patriots, will comment on something?
                        Who is in the topic?
                        Kuzya? ...
                      3. +1
                        22 May 2018 17: 32
                        The European Commission (EC) in April 2018 may decide on the proposals of Gazprom to resolve the antitrust investigation and close the case without a fine. This will allow the Russian company to avoid payment of 10 percent of its turnover. According to Reuters, citing sources, it is possible that the timing of the decision will be moved.

                        In March 2017, a state-owned company proposed linking gas prices to the indicative prices of gas hubs in Western Europe and prices at the borders of France, Germany and Italy. Moreover, the company is ready to review them every two years. Gazprom also agreed to abolish territorial restrictions on the resale and re-export of gas and expressed its readiness to move gas delivery points so that Hungary, Poland and Slovakia receive fuel on the borders of Lithuania and Bulgaria. In addition, the Russian side pledged not to require Bulgaria to pay damages due to its rejection of the South Stream project.
              2. +3
                21 May 2018 15: 37
                You see, here conflicting large structures that influence politicians interbreed!

                So it is, and the fact that these issues are being discussed in the media indicates that they cannot solve these issues behind closed doors with the positions they have. Perhaps this would have been resolved long ago if it were not for the intervention of outside forces, which constantly complicate the positions of negotiators
                1. +2
                  21 May 2018 19: 37
                  You are all 100% right! Respect from me personally! hi
          2. +3
            21 May 2018 15: 22
            There, as I understand it, the problem was precisely in the construction of the gas pipeline. The project was developed by Gazprom, for its work and its capabilities, and then they began to pull the property on the gas pipeline. Naturally, who wants to spend money not on their property ?! What is stopping Bulgaria from creating its own project and building its own gas pipeline and conducting a dialogue both with the connection to the Russian gas pipeline and to the Turkish one? Gazprom, in my opinion, will be more accommodating in such a situation, because it will not affect the construction financially, and therefore, it will not be able to claim the subsequent income from the operation of the pipeline!
            1. +2
              21 May 2018 19: 56
              Charon, you definitely laid it out. In the top ten! I am pleased to talk with an adequate person! good
              Namely, Bulgaria is striving for such a scenario. For this, a gas hub is created in the Balkans near Varna. Moreover, with the full support of the EU. In fact, the point is set at which all gas flows must be collected and where the gas sales contracts must be signed. This is the shop where they want not want, sellers must come to sell gas. Gas boron type. According to calculations, the owner of the shop should receive considerable profits. Where the pipes will come from, who will finance them, is already a question of competition and expediency. At that time, deliveries were announced by Romania, Azerbaijan and Gazprom. Shell at the moment is drilling the Bulgarian shelf - the Khan Krum and Silistar blocks. Khan Krum is just in front of the hub. There is little information in open sources about the potential of these units. Gazprom really has become more accommodating, as it is being confronted with an alternative - to sell gas passing through Turkey or go by sea directly to the Balkan hub, bypassing transit costs. Of course, the second option is more profitable for him! Turks have gas through their pipes, EU gas through Bulgarian pipes. But there is the same old problem with antitrust laws. It already extends to the coastal waters of the EU countries. Gazprom will make its calculations, and if it is profitable for it, it may well make a compromise. He needs to sell his gas somewhere, and the EU itself is solvent client! There is a rule that the client is "always right", although monopolists with these rules are not considered. That's why there is antitrust law. To protect the client from the dictatorship of the monopolists. Well, on theory ... wink
              1. +3
                21 May 2018 20: 09
                Gazprom will make its calculations, and if it is profitable for it, it may well make a compromise.

                Let's hope agree! Fussing with South Stream in the media is already really tired!
              2. +3
                21 May 2018 20: 46
                You are late ... Heaven wanted Turkey to distribute Russian gas!
                Personally, I hate it! (
                Say thanks to the curators of the EU ...
                Your arguments are quite convincing ...)
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  20. +1
    21 May 2018 09: 43
    This is not serious....
  21. 0
    21 May 2018 09: 43
    After all the whistling with the southern stream, liquefied gas for Bulgaria is a worthy alternative.
  22. +1
    21 May 2018 09: 45
    Let them buy gas from Perdogan.
  23. +2
    21 May 2018 09: 45
    So the time has come, touched. "... that Bulgaria, as a member of NATO, is forced to comply with a number of obligations. ..." - So let them comply with the instructions of the owner. They changed our plans for the construction of a gas branch.
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 10: 17
      They changed our gas line construction plans.

      "Your" plans turned out to be poorly planned. Back in 2013, Bulgarian managers from partner Gazprom, companies were warned ... In 2015, they also offered options for solving problems! But who listens to them? wink
      1. +5
        21 May 2018 10: 25
        Well, the Bulgarians, yes ... Well-known specialists in the gas industry !!! Boyan, but in order for the Bulgarians to register on Russian information resources, do they need permission to join NATO? Well, or in the EU?
        1. +3
          21 May 2018 11: 26
          Well-known specialists in the gas industry !!!

          I just 4 worked for UP. I work on the TANAR highway. Recently, the EU financed the start of pre-project development for the Hub Balkans. We'll see what happens eventually ... hi
          .. and in order to register with the Russian information resources, the Bulgarians need to get permission to NATO?

          Igor, there are no problems with registration either on Russian or on other resources. Recently read the info that almost 10 pods. Bulgarians regularly visit ru-nete. But Bulgaria is a country with a total 6,5 million population! It's good! Many Bulgarians speak Russian. As far as I know, Bulgaria is in the 3 place in the world, according to the percentage of citizens who know and crawl into the Russian language. Well, so that everything is not in the pink, I will share about the wrong ... And in the Russian-language resources there is a censorra. I do not comment, rightly or not. Just a fact.
          1. 0
            21 May 2018 12: 17
            Recently I read info that almost 10 thousand. Bulgarians regularly visit RuNet.

            Hee .. so this is probably the immigrants who left for warm countries, and all sorts of seasonal animators.
            1. +1
              21 May 2018 13: 32
              Hee .. so this is probably the immigrants who left for warm countries, and all sorts of seasonal animators.

              Yes, we have a warm edge! laughing And the sea is warm. Animators are all ours. fellow
              1. 0
                21 May 2018 17: 12
                It’s strange, but they say that Russians bought housing there in their time, these Russians are visiting the RuNet from Bulgaria. For example, I’m now visiting from Estonia, and my traffic generally goes through God knows that ..
                1. +1
                  21 May 2018 20: 29
                  Well no. Some kind of survey was done among the Bulgarians, as far as I remember. It has a lot of TV channels in Russian transmitted by cable channels in the BG. Schoolchildren are still studying Russian, though choosing from several languages.
      2. +1
        21 May 2018 10: 41
        They specifically offered you a branch and you would not only provide yourself with gas, but also a third of Europe, hence the profit. But I remember very well how your government began to dance to the state's tune, even at the first sanctions against Russia. It was then that I had to conduct a stream through Turkey. And now you would have a docking of the gas pipeline. And now you just have to trade weapons, and for hell to whom.
        1. +3
          21 May 2018 11: 34
          You were specifically offered a branch and you would not only provide yourself with gas, but also a third of Europe, hence the profit.

          Vladimir, there is a terrible misunderstanding about the situation from the side of the majority of citizens of the city! It is enclosed with the media. No pipe Bulgaria could promote if the EU does not want it. Bulgaria is a transit country, and the final counterparties are EU and RF countries. Bulgaria itself is not a big gas consumer. You can not pull the pipe to the main consumer, if he puts conditions that are not beneficial to you! Of course, politically and misinformed, the media financed by Gazprom pushed all the blame on Bulgaria, but in fact this is not much of a thing in common with reality.
          1. +2
            21 May 2018 11: 53
            Well then, what has changed now? I speak without any excuses. Erdogan sent, Merkel has done so much (and she is not alone), but the reasonable calculation of the Germans takes its toll. Seriously, when the project was planned, our people (albeit the majority) were simply shocked by your refusal (I mean the top). I wonder what your president will now motivate, but in theory there are less expensive options (the Crimean shelf and new development prospects on it). And a lot of questions, a lot has changed since the proposal.
            1. +2
              21 May 2018 13: 43
              Well, then what has changed now?

              1.RF is not particularly entusiated from the situation in which it gives leverage to the Turks.
              2. There are new technical options. Together it is necessary to teach EC reactions to them.
              3. Gazprom in 2014 had very serious problems with the investment portfolio. Now, it seems some of them are resolved.
              4. There is a change in EU position.
              Seriously, when the project was planned, our people (let it be majority) were simply shocked by your refusal (I mean the tip).

              Your people were in shock, because of the way your media presented it, the whole situation! Can you show me at least one official document in which Bulgaria refused is he ju? Not the kind of erunda that replicate in the media !!! You are obviously a thinking man! Tell me, if Bulgaria would violate at least some lines in the treaties, could Gazprom condemn it for billions of dollars in penalties? Judged ... ???
              I wonder what your president will motivate now ...

              With offers of mutual interest. There are a lot of them. He does not go to an empty place. Signals from the RF side are received constantly. For some reason they don’t write about it in Russian ... what
              1. 0
                21 May 2018 16: 49
                When it comes to the veracity of the media and by whom it is presented, and on the basis of what facts, further showing the truth, we better not argue - the West has shown it. At the expense of Turkey, because they did not want this, they offered you and from here all the ensuing consequences. Since the 60s, I was instilled with love for the Bulgarian people, as well as most of that era, therefore attacks on the states give a negative attitude to many. Gazprom has many options in one of the areas and your state was chosen (I had to find a replacement). Well, the EU does not have its own positions, there is a position of states that are rootless and declare this openly. And at the expense of the official document, so where does the mere mortal come from, although such documents are signed with the consent of both parties, that is, it should not be, only plans. And the last - who asks whom ?! Asia is of great interest to us, and you just didn’t give a damn about the Russians, but how do you personally feel about betrayal? You can not answer, even the traitor does not like it (it's not about you). But we are well aware of the large number of Russian-speaking as well as Bulgarians holding joint memory holidays, and we appreciate that, believe me. Let's see what comes out of this meeting, although the attitude towards your top is sharply negative.
                1. +1
                  21 May 2018 20: 39
                  When it comes to media veracity and who it is presented to ... we better not argue

                  The media are the same. I will refrain from specifics, otherwise they will be banned ... laughing
                  To me since 60's, love for the Bulgarian people was instilled

                  Just someone is trying very hard to instill something else into you! "Bulgarians, traitors, enemies and all." Read how much mud spills out on the forums as soon as the speech comes to Bulgaria. Does it seem normal to you?
                  And at the expense of the official document, so where did he come from a mere mortal, although such documents are signed with the consent of both parties ...

                  That's right. And I worked with part of these documents. For this I say that the media create a parallel universe.
                  But we are well aware of the large number of Russian-speaking as well as Bulgarians holding joint memory holidays, and we appreciate that, believe me. Let's see what comes out of this meeting, although the attitude towards your top is sharply negative.

                  Thank you Vladimir! Let's hope for improvement in relations, since everything else is unnatural for two so close peoples! good
                  1. +2
                    22 May 2018 04: 06
                    I agree, fraternal relations need to be renewed. I have the honor.
            2. +1
              22 May 2018 15: 17
              By the way, another interesting information that probably influenced the choice of the location of the Balkan hub, near Varna.

              By the end of the year, Shell will begin development of a field in the Bulgarian waters of the Black Sea. January 26, 2018

              Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov and representative of Royal Dutch Shell Andrew Brown discussed the development of gas projects in Bulgaria.

              Borisov introduced Brown to the development project for the construction of the European gas hub "Balkan". He stressed the importance of the project, noting that it would help diversify the sources and routes of gas supplies to Bulgaria and South-Eastern Europe. For his part, Andrew Brown welcomed the initiative Borisov, saying that it will help the development of gas infrastructure in Bulgaria.

              Gas from the field on the “Khan Kubrat” block in the Black Sea is one of the options for diversifying sources. Andrew Brown said that by the end of this or early next year, his company will begin developing this unit and according to preliminary studies, it has oil and natural gas deposits. The block is located in the exclusive economic zone of Bulgaria in the Black Sea.
              1. +1
                22 May 2018 19: 52
                So it's great for Bulgaria, and even nearby.
                1. +1
                  22 May 2018 21: 47
                  Vladimir, maybe great, but all 450 km. Bulgarian coast is a series of magnificent sandy beaches, bays, reserves and resorts. I hope not to pollute the nature! I do not trust etim Shell-ovtsev. Vesde where they drill in the trash turn!
                  1. +1
                    23 May 2018 07: 02
                    Yes, I just commented on this subject, on the article on new deposits on the Crimean shelf. Ukraine under the current government in FIG, how to mine and the consequences for the eco system of the sea. Live one day.
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  25. +4
    21 May 2018 09: 48
    You can build it yourself, and choose a name you like
  26. +2
    21 May 2018 09: 48
    I believe that Bulgaria needs direct gas supplies from the Russian Federation through the Black Sea. Call it the "Bulgarian stream."
    Class ... but for this it took four years of "reflection"
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 10: 05
      To do this, you need to be Bulgarians!
    2. +1
      21 May 2018 10: 10
      So the president and the government have changed - and the switch has switched.
      1. +3
        21 May 2018 10: 26
        This is the same president according to whom the Finns with Poles and Ukrainians freed the Bulgarians from the Ottoman yoke ?!
        1. 0
          21 May 2018 11: 22
          Quote: Oper
          This is the same president according to whom the Finns with Poles and Ukrainians freed the Bulgarians from the Ottoman yoke ?!

          Well, to be fair, he mentioned the Russians there, as well as the Lithuanians and Belarusians. It sometimes seems to me that they literally understand the names of the units of the Russian army - Lithuanian, Finnish ...
        2. +6
          21 May 2018 12: 15
          Igor! I read in Bulgarian as in my native Russian. It is not necessary to hang all the dogs in the Republic of Bulgaria. 1 (one) paragraph was said and no more. All other words were correct.

          The real difficulty is BB and MS. They have a parliamentary form of government. Now while the Coat of Arms is in power, the paragraph is all Bulgaria.

          Although Temenuzhka (in my opinion Violet) Petrova before and after a visit to Sochi puts forward very correct proposals. I carefully followed the reports of the BAN (Bulgarian Academy of Sciences) on the Belene AEC. Now the situation has changed, at one time Gazprom found fault with their daughter, Stroytransgaz.

          Good luck.
  27. +2
    21 May 2018 09: 59
    Let the Bulgarians build a gas pipeline to Russia, then we can talk about filling the pipe.
  28. +1
    21 May 2018 10: 02
    Quote: BecmepH
    Quote: bulvas
    No "bros"

    Only a normal commercial contract with guarantees

    So ours and without guarantees can "storytelling" ...

    As I understand it, with the “southern pipe” he flew to the wrong president, now Romania (Rumen) needs to be moved to Erdogan to get a bow for gas ...
  29. +3
    21 May 2018 10: 04
    President of Bulgaria Romanian Radev

    Rumen Radev!
    1. +1
      21 May 2018 10: 20
      Neither the name of the President, nor the essence of the problems arising from the South Stream, imply. In any erundum written in the media believe. Normal and not new ... laughing
      1. +1
        21 May 2018 11: 55
        Quote: pytar
        Neither the name of the President nor the essence of the problems arising from the South Stream are understood.

        Should they?
        How many years have you been turned to us ...?
        And now, hello .. And why don’t you hear us ..
    2. +1
      21 May 2018 10: 40


      Rumen, romanian what difference
    3. 0
      21 May 2018 11: 02
      Quote: alatanas
      Rumen Radev!

      Bedros Kirkorov! drinks
      1. +1
        21 May 2018 11: 20
        Bedros Kirkorov!

        - Bulgarian Bulgarian, a descendant of Armenian refugees (1915-1916gg), of which there are not a few Bulgaria sheltered.
        Rumen Radev is a thoroughbred Bulgarian. The name Rumen has nothing to do with the Romanians.
        drinks
        1. +2
          21 May 2018 11: 49
          Fuck politics! good
      2. +2
        21 May 2018 11: 53
        Bedros Kirkorov!

        Neither Bedros nor Philip are ethnic Bulgarians. Bedros is Armenian, and Philip's mother is Russian ... wink
      3. +4
        21 May 2018 13: 00
        Quote: Dym71
        Bedros Kirkorov

        болгарский Armenian. Bulgaria would be called Peter Grigorov laughing Pytar and Alatanas will not let you lie!
  30. +3
    21 May 2018 10: 05
    Of course we will build - 100% of the cost of construction, at the expense of Bulgaria.
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 10: 21
      Of course we will build - 100% of the cost of construction, at the expense of Bulgaria.

      This is how you write an elite manager from Gazprom? With Milera often communicate in the service? laughing
      1. +4
        21 May 2018 10: 33
        No, what are you ?! Miller is a very big man! Vadim237 just knows the price of Bulgarian decency well!
        1. +1
          21 May 2018 11: 55
          Vadim237 just knows the price of Bulgarian decency!

          And you know very well from your side Vadim237, as I understand it ... wink
          Well, I'm glad to communicate with such decent people! laughing
      2. +2
        21 May 2018 11: 01
        What? American cookies for as sweet as promised? Eat the little brothers!
  31. +3
    21 May 2018 10: 09
    It is necessary to build, with one pipe less or more what is the difference. Bulgarians are our brothers
  32. +1
    21 May 2018 10: 10
    An ideal option for the Bulgarian economy would be cooperation on gas supplies from Russia directly. According to the head of state, official Sofia is interested in turning the country into an energy center in the southeast of the EU.

    but would you go bros, now buy gas from the Turks
  33. 0
    21 May 2018 10: 14
    Alyosha needs to be taken so that there are no more Russian soldiers in Bulgaria, let them now save themselves, if they can ,,,,
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 10: 47
      we must take Alyosha, so that there are no more Russian soldiers in Bulgaria,

      When are you going to start? Shovels, talig ready? laughing
      You probably do not know that the monument to Alyosha is the property of the Bulgarian state, since it was designed by Bulgarian argitecs and built on money collected from the Bulgarian people. wink
      1. +3
        21 May 2018 10: 59
        I loved your country ,,, a classmate with NOT our beauty and a characteristic surname - Angelova, we put the emphasis on the first syllable, in Russian, and right-AngElova, Bulgarian dad from Sofia, what wind brought to Arzamas, Even Denmark resisted and destroyed 2 German tanks and 11 armored cars, and you became their allies ,,,
        1. +2
          21 May 2018 11: 21
          And in Bulgarian, a reference to A!
        2. +3
          21 May 2018 11: 49
          I loved your country ,,, classmate with NOT OUR beauty and characteristic surname

          In Bulgaria, 80% of marriages are Bulgarian-foreigner, this is from Russians. We do not consider Russians as strangers. good
          Even Denmark resisted and destroyed 2 German tanks and 11 armored cars, and you became their allies ,,,

          Sergei! On this occasion, there is a huge NOT understanding and NOT knowing the situation in Russian. The main fault for the situation are media. Bulgaria entered the Axis at the time when it did not have the slightest choice. USSR and Germany, then were friends. Bulgaria was the only Axis country that did not take part in the war against the USSR and supported the norms. diplomatic relations with him before 05.09.1944. And after September, Bulgaria laid down the bones of 30. its soldiers fighting against the Wehrmacht. I do not know what Denmark destroyed there, but the Bulgarian army fought against the Germans very effectively! For your information: As a result of the fighting of the Bulgarian troops, the German troops lost 69 thousands of dead and prisoners, 21 aircraft, 75 tanks, 937 guns and mortars, 4 thousands of vehicles and vehicles, 71 locomotive and 5769 cars, a significant amount of weapons, ammunition, equipment and military property. 360 soldiers and officers of the Bulgarian army were awarded the Soviet orders, 120 thousands of soldiers - the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Second World War." Three times the BNA was noted in the orders of the VG Armed Forces of the USSR and the victors of the BNA. Commander-in-Chief of the BNA Gen. Stoychev is a marshal in the line of commanders of the III-Ukrainian front parade victory in red square.
          This is not a topic, but I will answer you ...
          1. +1
            21 May 2018 12: 22
            Quote: pytar
            In Bulgaria, 80% of marriages are Bulgarian-foreigner, this is from Russians. We do not consider Russians as strangers.

            The most cruel enmity is between relatives.
            Quote: pytar
            On this occasion, there is a huge NOT understanding and NOT knowledge of the situation among Russians.

            Quote: pytar
            I don’t know what Denmark destroyed there, but the Bulgarian army fought against the Germans very effectively! For your information: As a result of the hostilities of the Bulgarian troops, German troops lost 69 thousand killed and captured, 21 aircraft, 75 tanks, 937 guns and mortars, 4 thousand cars and vehicles, 71 steam locomotive and 5769 wagons, a significant amount of weapons, ammunition, equipment and military property. 360 soldiers and officers of the Bulgarian army were awarded Soviet orders, 120 thousand troops - with the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Second World War."

            This is something you misunderstand. The road is a spoon for dinner, Help was needed in the forty-first - forty-second, when the battle for Moscow was going on, the Battle of Stalingrad, when the outcome of the war was being decided, and not in the forty-third or forty-fourth, when it was already clear that the USSR would win.
            Therefore, Lend-Lease, the second front and the betrayal of the Third Reich by its satellites did not play any role.
            1. +1
              21 May 2018 14: 06
              The most cruel enmity is between relatives.

              This is true to regret. I look at the conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine and am terrified. belay
              There is no conflict between Bulgarians and Russians. Knock on the tree. hi
              Help was needed in forty-one and forty-two, when the battle for Moscow was on, the battle of Stalingrad, when the outcome of the war was decided, and not in the forty-third or forty-fourth, when it was already clear that the USSR would win. Therefore, the land-lease, the second front and the betrayal of the Third Reich by its satellites did not play any role.

              In 41, if Bulgaria refused to enter the Axis, it would be fully reclaimed for 2 day. 600 pacing. the Germans on the Danube and 500 pitch. Turks on our southern border, were waiting for an order. We then had a total 100 heap. archaic armed soldiers and municipalities in warehouses, however for teaching. It is unlikely that we could offer them some serous resistance. The occupation promised total genocide against the few Bulgarian people and he would not have survived this war.
              But you know what the catch is? If Bulgaria rested, then Turkey would have entered the Axes back in 41! What would be then at Stalingrad and the Caucasus do not want to guess ..
              1. +1
                21 May 2018 14: 26
                Quote: pytar
                This is true to regret. I look at the conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine and am terrified.

                Did I miss something? There is no conflict between Russia and Ukraine, there is a conflict between Russia and the United States.
                Quote: pytar
                The occupation promised total genocide over the few Bulgarian people and he would not have survived this war.

                Other nations survived the occupation and you would survive.
                Quote: pytar
                But you know what the catch is? If Bulgaria rested, then Turkey would have entered the Axis as early as 41!

                You ascribe to yourself other people's merits. The Turks set their entry into the war with the USSR, depending on the successes of the Wehrmacht in the Caucasus.
                Quote: pytar
                We then had only 100 thousand. archaically armed soldiers and munitions in warehouses, as much as for training.

                Your greed will bring you no good.
                1. +1
                  21 May 2018 15: 37
                  Did I miss something? There is no conflict between Russia and Ukraine, there is a conflict between Russia and the United States.

                  I do not argue. But Russians and Ukrainians are dying.
                  Other nations survived the occupation and you would survive.

                  Very doubtful. And the Germans and the Turks were noted in the 20 century, carrying out genotsidah.
                  The Turks set their entry into the war with the USSR, depending on the success of the Wehrmacht in the Caucasus.

                  If the two countries attack together on the third, they become allies. If in 41 Germany and Turkey would have attacked Bulgaria, Turkey would hardly have waited for 42 to attack the USSR.
                  Your greed will bring you no good.

                  Read and repeat yourself more often.
                  1. 0
                    21 May 2018 21: 01
                    Quote: pytar
                    I do not argue. But Russians and Ukrainians are dying.

                    I will not argue that on the roads more people die in the ORDER than in the Donbas, but even people die on the teachings.
                    Quote: pytar

                    Very doubtful. And the Germans and the Turks were noted in the 20 century, carrying out genotsidah.

                    Just Anglo-Saxon propaganda, neither the Germans nor the Turks did not commit genocide. Both Armenians and Jews bloom and smell and do not look like victims of genocide. The Anglo-Saxons themselves have genocidal many peoples.
                    Quote: pytar
                    If the two countries attack together on the third, they become allies. If in 41 Germany and Turkey would have attacked Bulgaria, Turkey would hardly have waited for 42 to attack the USSR.

                    These are your speculations not supported by anything.
            2. +2
              22 May 2018 06: 46
              You're right! to capture Bulgaria, the Wehrmacht would require forces with aircraft, armored vehicles, artillery, their fleet did not count - 5 destroyers such as the daring 1908 with 37 mm Schneider guns — like our numbered Russian-Japanese, and the Germans’s divisions are not endless! and the Bulgarians fought against the partisans of Tito, and the Germans, freed from this task, are with us! my cousin died in 1943, but for me like yesterday! and nowhere can I get away from this pain, his soul lives in me! there were only two cat people in the family, but this is not genetically transmitted ,,,, I know, after all, he finished the biological and chemical
          2. 0
            22 May 2018 17: 38
            Glory and Eternal Memory to the heroes who fell in the fight against fascism! But now in NATO against whom are you "sharpening a knife"?
        3. +4
          21 May 2018 12: 26
          Nothing personal, but we erase messages instantly for incorrect words.
          1. +2
            21 May 2018 13: 12
            So to this:
            Quote: serg.shishkov2015
            Even Denmark resisted and destroyed 2 German tanks and 11 armored cars, and you became their allies ,,,
            1. +1
              22 May 2018 08: 51
              Data taken from Wheeled and semi-tracked armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers 19 ?? - 1945, from the Encyclopedia of Armored Vehicles of the World series
              1. 0
                23 May 2018 09: 22
                I will add T-1 tanks, and Danish combat motorcycles with automatic large-caliber weapons of the Madsen trademark worked
  34. +2
    21 May 2018 10: 15
    graduated from the officer school "Maxwell" (USA). In the presidency since January 2017.

    Mdayayayayaya. Bulgarian President, American shoulder strap.
    Throwing a BP pipe does not seem to hurt. And then Turkey may become Ruin2 tomorrow. An alternative is needed so that it is not "excruciatingly painful, for aimlessly lived (while we are building) years."
    But guarantees. They have one today, another tomorrow.
    Maybe they, too, a guarantor for 20 years or put the king?
    1. +3
      21 May 2018 10: 53
      Bulgarian president, American epaulets.

      After the 90s, the problems between the Russian Federation and the BG were created by the ruling Bulgarian personalities in the "Soviet epaulets" ... the students of Moscow State University, etc. Some of them were born in the USSR / who has a Russian mother, who has relatives there /. wink Sergey Stanishev, Andrey Lukanov ... the list can be very interesting!
      Radev is neither pro-Russian nor pro-American. He is probolgarsky! This is what Bulgaria needs!
      And then Turkey may become Ruin 2 tomorrow. We need an alternative, so that there is no "painfully painful, for years spent aimlessly (while we are building) years".

      And here, you are absolutely right! good
      ..or the king to plant?

      Take the king! Simeon of Sax! laughing
      1. +4
        21 May 2018 12: 21
        Quote: pytar
        Radev neither pro-Russian nor pro-American. He is pro-Bulgarian! As Bulgaria needs

        Hello Boyan hi Well, for a long time will your partners from the EU and him from overseas be pro-Bulgarian? The question is rhetorical. They cut it short - either some kind of “pepper revolution” will happen, at worst they will find a “black maid”, especially since he studied in the USA. They have it like two fingers on the asphalt. And your elite, as it were, do not really agree, as far as I know.
        1. +3
          21 May 2018 14: 21
          Hello Vyacheslav! hi Radev is a military man, not a politician. Looking at the ego of activity, I see that it acts very accurately. Radev imposes Bulgarians and his rating is very high. The truth gets hit under the belt to the left and right. The last such case came from the side of the Russian Patriarch Kirril. What hints - in the Russian Federation there are forces that pro-Bulgarian politicians in Sofia do not want! Without a doubt, Radev will be difficult! But the pilot is an aviation general, not one of those who will bend. Our elite is motley. In the ruling coalition, there are even bloody pro-Russian, anti-NATO parties, like "Attack". Under their influence, Bulgaria refused to force Russian diplomats on the case of Skripalla. Boyko Borisov, for example, would be pro-European, but he refused to accept the American missile defense system in Bulgaria, and he categorically refused to drag the country into the anti-Russian NATO Black Sea flotilla. It must be said that the situation is ambiguous and probably nationally oriented politicians will gather weight.
          1. +3
            21 May 2018 16: 29
            I agree that the military has a slightly different mindset than the "professional talkers" that have lately grown around the world. Climb into politics, who are not getting. We have priests climbing. They would care about the souls of men ... request
            Well, God forbid, that he succeeds in doing at least part of what he wants for Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people. It seems to me that the best thing is if between Bulgaria and Russia it turns out to build equal and trusting relations - this is what is needed. Without any shyness "from love to hate." Let ordinary people show emotions, they can do it better
            .
            Quote: pytar
            What hints - in Russia there are forces that pro-Bulgarian politicians in Sofia do not want

            I’ll tell you more - in Russia there are forces that do not want pro-Russian politics ... in Russia request
      2. +1
        21 May 2018 13: 06
        Quote: pytar
        Take the king! Simeon of Sax!

        Why not? He has also visited you as Prime Minister. Norodom Sihanouk also went back to kings through the posts of prime minister and chairman of the Supreme Council! laughing
        1. +1
          21 May 2018 15: 40
          Aha Can you assign him to a post in the Russian Federation? laughing Simeon Sakskoburgotsky interesting personality mezhduproimm!
  35. +3
    21 May 2018 10: 15
    Rumen Radev added that an ideal option for the Bulgarian economy would be cooperation on gas supplies from Russia directly. According to the head of state, official Sofia is interested in turning the country into an energy center in the southeast of the EU.

    What is the problem? Take a loan to the EU, build a pipe to the Russian borders and get connected, but by yourself!
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  37. +2
    21 May 2018 10: 18
    Bulgaria has not been our friend for a long time. Only economic interests, nothing more.
    1. +3
      21 May 2018 10: 58
      Bulgaria has not been our friend for a long time. Only economic interests, nothing more.

      Really correct very well! good Friends of people, nations. But governments and business are never guided by such concepts. In all countries without exclusion. In general, there is one law for business - dough! wink
      1. +6
        21 May 2018 12: 03
        Boyan, what do you want to convince people of here ?! For the monument to the Russian soldier "Alyosha" the Bulgarians raised money ?! Is this your property? We will buy it from you if so! Your citizens regularly mock the memory of our soldiers. We will pay you well for our Alyosha from the money you can’t refuse very much in Europe and other Alyosha, Ivanov, Andreev, Nikit ... on your land you will never see again what happens to you again! Correctly say that Bulgaria is not relatives of Russia ?! And I agree with you! Relatives even the closest are sometimes so ungrateful and envious that enemies are not necessary! But enemies are not your case either! It’s ridiculous to quarrel with Russia for Bulgaria !!! By your very many actions and continuing for a long time, you have led to the fact that for Russia you simply became uninteresting! I’ll say more - if your president doesn’t know his story, doesn’t know to whom Bulgaria and the Bulgarians are OBLIGATED for their existence and speaks nonsense at the official level ... Then it has become uninteresting for such a country and its citizens, who are similar to you giggling at VO indifference! Gazprom say blame, not the eternal Bulgarian ingratitude ?! Well, forget about Gazprom and Russian gas! Find what to drown! Do you even have firewood? I honestly care about you! It’s even inconvenient to be offended by you! You are indifferent to many Russian people! You yourself came to this! Well? What's next? Are you all right? Well, God give you health! And you will negotiate for gas with the Turks! Their plans for Bulgaria are worked out in much more detail than the Russians! Or do you, like your president, also care about history ?!
        1. +4
          21 May 2018 13: 45
          If we are so indifferent to you, why write such long comments?
        2. +2
          21 May 2018 15: 13
          Boyan, what do you want to convince people of here ?!

          There are people who think and can be convinced. Others do not ..
          On the monument to the Russian soldier "Alyosha" Bulgarians raised money ?! Is this your property? We will buy it from you if so!

          Not for sale. Alyosha is a national monument of culture. There is no topic for discussion.
          Your citizens regularly mock the memory of our soldiers.

          This is the way it is. laughing 5-6 times marginalized / probably paid up / night, painted the monument. And then hundreds of ordinary citizens protected him. And not the fact that these are Bulgarian citizens! Tolokonnikova what? After all, she came painted on the monument of SA! In the Russian Federation, cases of abuse of monuments are hundreds. How zaduranenye you from propaganda, gives an idea of ​​the last fact - in Bulgaria there are more 400 Russian and 130 Soviet memorials. World record for the concentration of such monuments. No one ever touched any of the Russians. Even in the days of communism, when in the USSR Bolsheviks demolished thousands. We build and new. They always have fresh flowers! Bulgarians set! Russian tourists very rarely see on Shipki! Too lazy to walk from the sea!
          ... on your land you will never see again that this will not happen to you again!

          We saw them both as liberators and as enemies. All the same, remember and honor as Liberators!
          Correctly say that Bulgaria is not relatives of Russia ?!

          Do you make a difference between ruling and nations? Bulgarians and Russian relatives. We do not consider Russians as strangers. Those who have been to Bulgaria are well-known. What is your problem? In that you are always considered right and judge sitting at computers and in front of telephones!
          It's funny because for Russia and Bulgaria enmity !!!

          Yes, it and I will be confused when in ru-forums and the media are called enemies by the Bulgarians! Ha ha ha! lol
          By your actions by so many and continuing for a long time, you led to the fact that for Russia you simply became uninteresting!

          Ignorance is depressing. But it is understandable, because your informational background leads to such an opinion. I will give you a little bit, I will bring you to reality. There is interest from the Russian Federation and it is very active. It’s just that you don’t write much or nothing at all.
          I will say more - if your president does not know his story ...

          I assure you - he knows the story in 100 just better than you! We know our story better than you know ours. Fine.
          Gazprom is to blame, not the eternal Bulgarian ingratitude ?! Well, forget about Gazprom and Russian gas! Find something to drown! Do you have any firewood?

          That's exactly what I say, because I know the documents in detail. And the Bulgarian side has its own shoals. In Bulgaria, despite the fact that there is a gas transfer network to all the houses in the cities, a small part of the population is being used. It is cheaper to buy solar panels and use solar energy rather than pay for gas.
          I care about you honestly!

          It is clear, but why then write so much?
          And for gas with the Turks will negotiate! Their plans for Bulgaria are being worked out in more detail than those of the Russians!

          Dogavar with all. Monopoly is a bad thing. As for the Turks, you are right. They are a threat to all their neighbors. They are trying to taste Russia again. One day you and we will run into them. It's unavoidable.
        3. 0
          22 May 2018 18: 04
          Your president doesn't care about history either ?!
          Bulgarian President on friendship with Russia: enough history, I want the future!
          22.05.2018
  38. +7
    21 May 2018 10: 26
    To all the "commentators" in a note:
    Bulgaria, unlike Russia, is not presidential, but pearl republic.
    Executive power is in the hands of the government and the premier.
    Legislative power is determined by parliament.
    The EC (European Commission) did not allow building on the territory of Bulgaria because of fictitious regulations and under US pressure.
    The EC has attached a double standard - "what is allowed to Zeus is not allowed to a bull" (Northern 2 - Southern).
    And Russia is wagging stern in relation to Turkey, although a great force.
    There is a Bulgarian proverb: "Interest pay money!" (Interest determines the tilt of the cap).
    In conclusion, if interest is mutually beneficial, everything should be normal. Let your “cheers-patriots” move their brains at least once and stop pulling the mantra - “brother-traitors”. As if the rest of the former socialist camp are your first friends!
    1. BAI
      0
      21 May 2018 11: 27
      if interest is mutually beneficial - everything should be normal.

      The construction of the nuclear power plant was mutually beneficial. How did it end?
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 11: 54
        The same as with gas. During the pre-connection negotiations with the EU, I, II, and III were forced to close the power units at the Kozloduy NPP under the pretext of reduced security, and Belene has since been mopped up.
      2. +1
        21 May 2018 12: 30
        The construction of the nuclear power plant was mutually beneficial.

        Not really ... but you don't know.
        What is all over?

        Not over. The project was defrosted a week ago. 3 companies will compete - Chinese, French and Rossat.
    2. +1
      21 May 2018 11: 50
      With such funny text you can speak in stand-up
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 11: 59
        And you first express "stand up" in your native language, and then laugh at the text
      2. 0
        21 May 2018 12: 05
        Quote: Dormidont
        With such funny text you can speak in stand-up

        And anyway .. As if a prohvessor indulges in an accent ..
        Every word with a smell, recognizes that traitors, but does not understand
        for what they swear .. request
    3. +3
      21 May 2018 12: 25
      Quote: alatanas
      Let your “cheers-patriots” move their brains at least once and stop pulling the mantra - “brother-traitors”.

      And you don’t stuff up to our friends and you won’t be traitors, you’re just NATO enemies.
    4. +2
      21 May 2018 12: 47
      Quote: alatanas
      As if the rest of the former socialist camp are your first friends!

      This is so, only the rest of the socialist camp (with the exception of Romanians) are we from centuries-old slavery is not freed. But at least the Romanians are not Slavs (however, they love to betray more than anyone else: “If Romania entered the World War and ended it on the same side, then she betrayed twice”; “Romanians are the best warriors in the world: with Hitler reached Stalingrad, and with Stalin to Berlin! "And get the Order of Victory for betrayal (sorry," For the courageous act of decisively turning Romanian politics towards breaking with Nazi Germany and the union with the United Nations at a time when it was not yet clear defeat of Germany ") - this is aerobatics!
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  40. +3
    21 May 2018 10: 29
    Only pickup.
  41. +4
    21 May 2018 10: 37
    Need gas - build a gas pipeline .... YOURSELF.
  42. +2
    21 May 2018 10: 48
    well, they can forget about the flow, they have already shown that under the current authorities they don’t have independence and someone doesn’t even wake up discussing the flow through Bulgaria again!
  43. +2
    21 May 2018 10: 58
    "Build us a" Bulgarian stream "- No! Better you are to us! (C)
    1. 0
      21 May 2018 11: 49
      To Kalymu (s)
  44. +4
    21 May 2018 11: 23
    And Gazprom is already dismantling equipment and pipelines previously intended for Bulgaria. Part of the equipment went to SP-2. Of course, it can be restored, but who will pay Gazprom its financial overhead?
    The throwing of the Bulgarians is understandable, but it will be correct if they pay for all their wobbles on the direct road themselves in full (as was the case with the Belene NPP project). It corrects and brains, and disciplines.
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 12: 36
      And Gazprom is already dismantling equipment and pipelines previously intended for Bulgaria. Part of the equipment went to the SP-2.

      Dismantles from the Russian coast. As appropriate facilities built on another place. And the pipe, as it should go to BG. Look at the map ... laughing
      but it will be correct if all their wiggles on the straight road will be paid in full by themselves

      That is exactly what investors from the EU and China want. They want the pipe not to be owned by Gazprom.
  45. BAI
    +2
    21 May 2018 11: 26
    Let the pipe itself be pulled. Or pay for the construction - 100% prepayment.
  46. +3
    21 May 2018 11: 28
    Radev at the same time recalled that Bulgaria was one of the few EU countries that did not expel Russian diplomats at the direction of London in connection with the so-called “Skripal affair”.

    Thank you, just do not convey in words how it doesn’t care.
  47. +5
    21 May 2018 11: 36
    They said: reinforced concrete guarantees are needed, but are they?
    And is this Bulgarian stream needed now?
  48. 0
    21 May 2018 11: 41
    campaign sent by the Cossack
  49. +3
    21 May 2018 11: 42
    what for they are so beautiful needed
    I’ll give it today, I won’t give it tomorrow
  50. +1
    21 May 2018 11: 48
    Danuna ... Come on, bros, to ... bow to the Sultan Erdogan
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    1. 0
      22 May 2018 18: 11
      It's already busy in Rostov.
      Not really! We have a lot of space in Rostov!
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  54. +1
    21 May 2018 12: 37
    Do we need it? “The locomotive has left” - let them now build it themselves, at their own expense!
  55. +2
    21 May 2018 12: 46
    And this time they have enough sovereignty to defend this project? I doubt...
  56. +1
    21 May 2018 13: 08
    Well, guys, as long as you are US statesmen, on a par with Europe,
    There is no point in negotiating with you.
    No, you can talk, but serious things need to be discussed with your elders.
  57. +1
    21 May 2018 13: 21
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Quote: Bad_Santa
    And how beautifully he crushed the Lipetsk Tractor Plant (LTZ planned to oust MTZ from the Russian market with its products) through the governor of the Lipetsk region.

    I will not ask a trivial question about the facts of your statement. I’ll ask another question: how do you imagine this for yourself: the President of the Republic of Belarus through the governor of the region of the Russian Federation (!) Strangles the production of tractors in the Russian Federation?

    This is probably true, a man from the place - he knows better than us. Know our Tkachev, what he did with his agro-industrial complex was the company, but what the person wrote is real. Your quality is really gone. And write why the Chinese hang out there and earn good money, unlike the locals. fellow
  58. +2
    21 May 2018 13: 34
    We need to build. Erdogan is unpredictable and may become an even more capricious transit country than Ukraine before the Maidan. Don't put all your eggs in one basket!
  59. +1
    21 May 2018 13: 36
    I believe that Bulgaria needs direct gas supplies from the Russian Federation through the Black Sea. Call it the "Bulgarian stream."

    Giraffes are not harmful, but it takes a long time and is difficult!

    Rumen Radev noted in an interview that no sanctions are eternal, based on the fact that they cause damage not only to that country

    Rulers come and go, but they eat always I want to!
  60. 0
    21 May 2018 14: 24
    Let everything be with their money, this weather vane will turn its back on us 100500 times more.
  61. +1
    21 May 2018 14: 34
    "Bulgarian Stream" for you? Have you asked the Americans for permission? That's it!
  62. 0
    21 May 2018 15: 01
    I think those who refused “out of harm” should be legally prohibited from considering supplies or pipelines for a period of at least 25 years. So that we can already talk with the next generation of politicians, and not with these b.o.b.s.
  63. +3
    21 May 2018 15: 27
    If they want, then a firm contract and half in advance. And no nails.
  64. +3
    21 May 2018 15: 42
    Quote: pytar
    I assure you - he knows the story in 100 just better than you! We know our story better than you know ours. Fine.

    There is no point in responding to everything you wrote! Our Patriarch taught the history of your president the other day... Or not?
    Quote: pytar
    This is how it is in Russian media. 5-6 times the outcasts (probably paid) spent the night painting the monument. And then hundreds of ordinary citizens guarded him. And it’s not a fact that these are Bulgarian citizens! What Tolokonnikova? After all, she came to paint herself on the SA monument! There are hundreds of cases of desecration of monuments in the Russian Federation. How intoxicated you are by propaganda is illustrated by the following fact - in Bulgaria there are more than 400 Russian and 130 Soviet monuments. A world record for the concentration of such monuments. No one has ever touched any of the Russians. Even during communism, when the Bolsheviks demolished thousands in the USSR. We also build new ones. They always have fresh flowers! The Bulgarians bet! I rarely see Russian tourists on Shipki! They are too lazy to walk from the sea!

    Today you wrote ten of your own in the Russian media for one of my comments... And you have the audacity to accuse our media of lying?! ))))))))) You'll want to talk to you, Boyan!
    I'm interested in your answers to such questions. It won’t be difficult for you to answer them, will it?
    Do Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people owe Russia their liberation from the Ottoman yoke and their existence in general?
    Why does Bulgaria regularly choose the side hostile to Russia in conflicts, just as it is now in NATO?
    Do the Bulgarian people know their history if even the Bulgarian president talks about the Poles and Finns as liberators and does not talk about the Russian army and the Russian Tsar?!
    1. +1
      21 May 2018 16: 15
      Based on the fact that when speaking about the regular desecration of monuments to our soldiers in Bulgaria, you Boyan agreed to the point that you are hinting that it might be the Russians themselves... You talk about Tolokonnikova and display laughing emoticons... You, Boyan, are no one else like a blasphemer! Bite your tongue and start to at least understand your internal problems yourself, if you don’t even dare open your mouth about external ones! And once again - I don’t care about you! And I’m writing on a Russian resource, but you’re the one who insists on coming here! I don’t know if you were raised?! They don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their own rules! For you, a stranger is a fact!
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 17: 00
        You, Boyan, are none other than a blasphemer! Bite your tongue and start to at least understand your internal problems yourself, if you don’t even dare open your mouth about external ones! And once again - I don’t care about you! And I’m writing on a Russian resource, but you’re the one who insists on coming here! I don’t know if you were raised?! They don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their own rules! For you, a stranger is a fact!


        Bad taste is a sign of bad upbringing!
        hi
    2. +2
      21 May 2018 16: 49
      Read what the president said, not what your media selectively wrote from his words, and then kick. Also read the story in more detail:
      from 1876 through 1878, 1885, 1912-1913, 1915-1918, 1940 -1944, etc.
      We remember and know our history. Name another country in which there are so many monuments to Russian soldiers and officers and the Tsar-liberator. Take a map of Sofia and other Bulgarian cities and read the street names.
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 18: 22
        What your president said here is not something that can be read, but can be watched on all channels from A to Z! Impenetrable ignorance! I hope you will erect monuments to your “true liberators, the Finns, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians...” and you won’t desecrate them!
    3. +2
      21 May 2018 20: 57
      Today in the Russian media you wrote ten of your own in response to one of my comments...

      Don't read it! Who is forcing you! laughing
      And you have the audacity to accuse our media of lying?! )))))))))

      Are you sure they are yours?
      You'll want to talk to you, Boyan!

      Yes, I’ve been laughing with you since this morning! Funny boys! Illogical but funny for that! laughing
      I'm interested in your answers to such questions. It won’t be difficult for you to answer them, will it?

      No problem!
      Do Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people owe Russia their liberation from the Ottoman yoke and their existence in general?

      Without a doubt.
      Why does Bulgaria regularly choose the side hostile to Russia in conflicts, just as it is now in NATO?

      Because Russia /politicians/ regularly choose sides as our worst enemies, entering into drastic contradiction with its previously liberating mission. By the way, the Russian Federation was very actively friends with NATO until 2008...
      Do the Bulgarian people know their history if even the Bulgarian president talks about the Poles and Finns as liberators and does not talk about the Russian army and the Russian Tsar?!

      He knows. . Bulgaria is a small country and all information is available here. There are historical monuments with inscriptions on them everywhere.
      Check out the original video in Bulgarian /everything is clear there/. President Radev speaks absolutely correctly and respectfully towards Russia. For some reason they cut out exactly that part on RU-TVs. In short, you are terribly mistaken. The topic was discussed here on VO.
  65. +3
    21 May 2018 16: 29
    1. Exporting gas is only a burden for Russia. It is high time for Russia to stop wasting its irreplaceable natural resources - oil and gas and polluting its nature.
    2. Importing gas is also a burden for Bulgaria. Gas is more expensive than all other energy resources and we have the lowest gas consumption in the EU (less than 15%). And it’s high time for us to stop consuming imported gas.
    3. Russia and Bulgaria lived for a long time without any gas and I hope they will continue to live after the gas runs out.
    1. +1
      21 May 2018 18: 25
      I also believe that at least there is definitely no need to build a gas pipeline to Bulgaria! I don’t want to offend you, but you must understand that having expensive projects with a state that does not have sovereignty is more expensive for yourself!
  66. +2
    21 May 2018 16: 34
    The word Bulgarian Stream means exactly Bulgarian, and not anything similar to South Stream. South Stream was unprofitable for Bulgaria. This project was for the delivery of gas from Russia to Austria, Hungary and Italy. It was transit through Bulgaria. The cost of the project was increased by several times. All costs for the construction of the gas pipeline were paid by Bulgaria on its territory, and Gazprom received 50% of the gas pipeline. Bulgaria did not receive any transit money for this project. Corruption in the greatest form. Bulgarian politicians, judicial authorities, special services. The concept of the Bulgarian stream has a completely different meaning.
    1. +1
      21 May 2018 18: 27
      Don't sell yourself! In any case, I’m very glad that you don’t have any southern non-Bulgarian streams! Live happily!
    2. 0
      22 May 2018 18: 21
      Earlier, the country's Minister of Economy, Energy and Tourism Dragomir Stoinev estimated that the net profit from South Stream for Bulgaria would be at least 2,8 billion euros over 7 years. If you divide this amount by the number of Bulgarian citizens, you get 400 euros per person.
      1. +1
        22 May 2018 22: 21
        ..the country's Minister of Economy, Energy and Tourism Dragomir Stoinev calculated that the net profit from South Stream for Bulgaria would be at least 2,8 billion euros over 7 years.

        This is the one who took multi-million bribes to lobby for UP! There he himself lit up! bully
  67. 0
    21 May 2018 16: 35
    I mean, it’s beneficial for both Bulgaria and Russia.
  68. +2
    21 May 2018 19: 36
    I’ll take the liberty of summing up all these Bulgarian laments today here! The Bulgarians committed an utter stupidity 4 years ago and... simply lost good money, jobs, suffered global image losses, etc. Although I seem to have gotten carried away about the image! Now the proud Bulgarians, 4 years ago, of course, at the behest of our Western partners, trying to nomadicly say no to the Russian gas project, no, they did say so! Naturally, in anticipation of bargaining, including for yourself, more and more favorable conditions! They abandoned the already signed contracts and cunningly hid... Russia shrugged, looked regretfully at the Bulgarians, turned around and left! The Bulgarians sat down in their soft place, spread their arms and looked back to the west in bewilderment! The West also shrugged its shoulders and said, well done... Now the Bulgarians, out of breath, are simply trying to jump into the last carriage of the fast Russian gas express. They are running with all their might! Out of breath. But the driver cannot stop the express. Just watching with interest - will they make it? No?) We are building Nord Stream 2 with the Germans. And the Bulgarians again shrug their hands in bewilderment - why is it possible for the Germans, but we couldn’t?!?!?! Let me say this, yes, the Germans can do it! Why can’t the Bulgarians let them think for themselves! Let them answer this question for themselves!
    1. 0
      22 May 2018 22: 23
      Oh how heartfelt! crying Take courage and try to write something literary! I think you will be successful! good
  69. +1
    21 May 2018 21: 48
    Bulgaria refused the gas pipeline from Russia, thereby showing its inability to comply with contracts.

    Now for many years you will have to earn trust and be content with small contracts. Time is worth more than money...
  70. 0
    21 May 2018 23: 16
    With all due respect to the Bulgarians, you can’t bring Todor Zhivkov back, much less Georgi Dimitrov either. And life goes differently for now. The Bulgarian president-pilot voiced an interesting idea at the right time. It seems that our Millers and Lavrovs are not cut out for it. So let them play politics a little while we are not yet stronger economically. It would have been possible to bring Zhirinovsky here too. It would be nice to see all the Trumps after this! (And sunny Bulgaria, generally speaking, has nothing to do with it.)
  71. 0
    22 May 2018 09: 43
    How about smearing some jam on your lips? Like little children, by God! Spoiled. They draw figs for us, and we have to haul them gingerbread in dump trucks?
  72. +4
    22 May 2018 12: 49
    Quote: Oper
    I’ll take the liberty of summing up all these Bulgarian laments today here! The Bulgarians committed an utter stupidity 4 years ago and... simply lost good money, jobs, suffered global image losses, etc. Although I seem to have gotten carried away about the image! Now the proud Bulgarians, 4 years ago, of course, at the behest of our Western partners, trying to nomadicly say no to the Russian gas project, no, they did say so! Naturally, in anticipation of bargaining, including for yourself, more and more favorable conditions! They abandoned the already signed contracts and cunningly hid... Russia shrugged, looked regretfully at the Bulgarians, turned around and left! The Bulgarians sat down in their soft place, spread their arms and looked back to the west in bewilderment! The West also shrugged its shoulders and said, well done... Now the Bulgarians, out of breath, are simply trying to jump into the last carriage of the fast Russian gas express. They are running with all their might! Out of breath. But the driver cannot stop the express. Just watching with interest - will they make it? No?) We are building Nord Stream 2 with the Germans. And the Bulgarians again shrug their hands in bewilderment - why is it possible for the Germans, but we couldn’t?!?!?! Let me say this, yes, the Germans can do it! Why can’t the Bulgarians let them think for themselves! Let them answer this question for themselves!

    Igor! I have always respected your opinion, moreover, 95% of our views coincided. But you know little about the origins of the UP project and the reasons for abandoning it. At that time, namely the beginning of the construction of the UP in the EU, the so-called "3rd energy package", the meaning of which is to separate the legal entities. persons who are sellers of natural gas in the EU, owners and operators of the pipeline system, and direct owners of gas. At the time of signing the contract on the UP, a less stringent “2nd energy package” was in force in the EU.

    When the proceedings began, all the actions of our legal entities. persons were prohibited. There were some minor exceptions, but there was some minor violation (according to the opinion of the EU or the court).

    Now SP-2, if it is built, with a 99,9% probability will work according to the “3rd energy package”, if it is not registered as completed branches of the SP. The latter is nothing more than purely my speculation - I’m not strong in the types of energy packages, I don’t have to understand.
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      22 May 2018 18: 25
      So why the hell did the Bulgarians give permission then?
  73. 0
    22 May 2018 13: 47
    Let these brothers go
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    1. +3
      22 May 2018 19: 30
      We paid for 2 KR (reactor vessels), 2 KD (pressure compensators) and something else. The equipment was in safe storage at the Izhora plants site.
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      22 May 2018 20: 21
      All construction work was carried out by Bulgarian enterprises. No penalties were paid for any foundation. Bulgaria invested 1,5 billion euros in construction and development projects. The penalty for the equipment was paid. The ego was brought to BG and is stored at the sites.
      6 May 2018 - The Bulgarian government unfreezes the construction of the Belene nuclear power plant. Deputy Prime Minister Tomislav Donchev explained that Bulgaria will not invest money in the construction of the Belene nuclear power plant, will not give state guarantees and sign agreements to buy back the electricity produced. The state will participate with the assets.
      10 May 2018 - China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC) confirmed investment interest in the Belene NPP project.
      14 May 2018 - French nuclear company Framatom, confirms its investment interest in the project.
      16 May 2018 - Rosatom is ready to participate in the construction of nuclear power plants "Belene" in the form determined by the Bulgarian government, said the first deputy general director of the state corporation, Kirill Komarov.
  75. 0
    22 May 2018 17: 22
    pytar,
    This project is beneficial to both Russia and Bulgaria. But the trouble is that you don’t decide anything yourself.
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      22 May 2018 19: 38
      major147,
      Somewhere above you posted very interesting information about "...The European Commission (EC) may decide in April 2018..."! I didn't know about her! Respect! hi
      You are very right that this project is beneficial to both Russia and Bulgaria! And this is where things get interesting! After all, the situation is changing dramatically! I don’t know, have you been following the news about Radev’s meeting with the GDP, which took place this afternoon? Here is the information from the last hour:
      In the coming days, the Prime Minister of Bulgaria will visit Russia
      By the end of May, Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov will visit Russia, President Vladimir Putin said in Sochi before the meeting with Bulgarian President Rumen Radev, Dnevnik reports. According to the publication’s source, the visit to Borisov will take place at the invitation of Vladimir Putin. A source in the Bulgarian government reports that Putin invited Borisov in every telephone conversation, and then official invitations followed from the Russian ambassador to Bulgaria. Borisov refused to travel to Russia during the presidential election campaign in March of this year, the publication’s source claims. Borisov decided to visit Russia after May 17, when a meeting of the leaders of the EU and the countries of the Western Balkans took place in Sofia. There is still no specific date for the visit, although Putin claims that the visit will take place before the end of May this year. Most likely, the visit will take place from May 30 to May 1, diplomatic sources say.
      You probably know that Putin is also going to come to Bulgaria in the next months?

      It looks like the parties have reached an agreement! It’s not for nothing that Boyko Borisov, who is the real power in Bulgaria, has been tirelessly repeating since the beginning of 2017 that the issue has been resolved and the pipe will go directly to Bulgaria! B. Borisov secured the support of the European Union back then.
      There is no point in arguing about who made what deviations! What is more important is that all indications indicate that a mutually beneficial agreement has been reached! They visit each other not to eat candy! bully
      I will add from myself: to spite all our common ill-wishers! good
  76. +1
    22 May 2018 19: 46
    Let them pull the pipe themselves, otherwise they, the Judases, are interested.
  77. 0
    22 May 2018 20: 56
    let him buy gas from the amers!!!
  78. -1
    24 May 2018 00: 43
    You screwed up your gas pipeline, now you are not our “brothers”.
  79. 0
    25 May 2018 07: 49
    sell the “brothers” the South Stream project and the pipes to it, give the contacts of the pipe-laying vessel and permission to connect, and let them build it themselves.

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