For a small price or at whose expense? Why Belarus is not Austria

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It makes sense to compare the similar with the similar, and so: it is rather senseless to compare a small Belarus with its limited possibilities with Germany, Russia or even Poland. Other country sizes and other features. This refers primarily to the creation of modern, combat-ready armed forces. But it makes sense to compare it with countries similar in population. For example, Israel, where today the population is just under 9 million (about 8 800 000). However, we must remember that Israel waged its main wars, having a population of 3-4 million.



And yet, a good example. No less a good example is Finland with a population of 5,5 million, Sweden with a population of 10 million, or Switzerland with a population of 8,4 million people (approximately, this is not a demographic study). What, in fact, unites them? All four countries are very small in population (approximately as in Belarus or less), not included in military blocs and forced to rely primarily on their own resources while ensuring national security.

Of course, the United States could provide tremendous political, military-technical and other assistance to Israel, but fight for Israel, the United States was not going to. Feel the difference. That is, this small state formation on the territory and the population was forced from the very beginning to act in the most hostile environment, relying on very scarce resources. Once upon a time, in one of the first classes of a course on the study of foreign armies, the author of this article caused general sincere fun by asking a question about studying this army along with the armies of the United States, Britain, Germany.

For a small price or at whose expense? Why Belarus is not Austria

Although, as we all understand, in the second half of the 20 century, the Bundeswehr is one thing, and the Israel Defense Forces are something completely different ... And to study the second is somewhat more interesting (more victories). In fact, the latter is an example of a small but extremely effective military structure. And as already mentioned, its demographic resource in the most glorious years was about 3-4 million (which, strictly speaking, explains the recruitment of women into the army and encouraging mass migration to Israel). The people were critically small for the "sovereign state" and above all for recruiting the army.

Nevertheless, the army was created and quite successfully fought. In general, in the conditions of categorical non-recognition by the neighbors of the very fact of the existence of a “Jewish state on Arab land”, the only guarantor of its preservation could be the constantly combat-ready army. This is me to the fact that Belarusians constantly point out the limited resources of their state, comparing it for some reason with Russia. And for some reason, constantly remembering about oil. So, as you know, "Jews have not been lucky historically," and after 40 years of wandering through the oil sands of the Middle East, they reached the only place where there is no oil.

As a matter of fact, no huge oil and gas resources have been noticed so far in Sweden, nor in Switzerland, nor in Finland. And, nevertheless, quite a decent army was created in all three countries. Sweden and Switzerland are neutral historically and for a long time. It would be safe to assume that there is a solid business and no army. But. Both countries to the big letter "Sha" became famous for themselves quite capable army structures and even military production (!).



But why? Are they neutral and (moreover), unlike continuously fighting Israel, located in civilized Europe? It is difficult to say why, but as it turned out in the course of the play, the very same Switzerland during the Cold War, not joining any of the blocks, created a very powerful system of national defense (weapon Reservists' houses are only one minor detail). That is, Switzerland, having very good relations with all its neighbors, kept the powder dry. So much for the "Alpine gnomes." But Sweden, having good relations with all its neighbors (both with Germany and with England), the entire 20 century kept the same powder in a similar state (uncontaminated). And why? Neutrals?

Therefore. Apparently, both politicians in Stockholm and politicians in Bern believed that the best guarantee of sovereignty and neutrality was an efficient army. The Airlikons and Bofors during WWII became famous in the field of air defense not at all by accident. A seemingly "neutral country."

That is, “neutrality” on the one hand and serious attention to the army and the defense industry do not exclude each other at all. And even vice versa. Remembering the Finnish army is simply unnecessary - a very good army for a very small country. And even for some time, she was able to hold out in the “big war”. And being adequate people, politicians in Helsinki, Stockholm and Bern in no way expected to win the “big war”, but they nevertheless created an army. And it was not a "game of soldiers," as they say in Belarus. It was a serious military construction. It went on for decades and ate up a large part of the budget.



Belarus, by contrast, is not an "internationally recognized neutral power." That is, yes, many Belarusians would very much like this, and they are even ready to position themselves like this, but desire alone is categorically not enough ... the consent of the leading political players is necessary, and prior to this agreement - as far as the moon on foot.

And who is offended? This is only current political reality. That is, the ideology that the army can only have countries such as the United States, the People's Republic of China or the Russian Federation looks rather strange for a more or less educated person. Very different countries today have combat-ready armies, most of them are not built on “oil money”, and the Finnish, Swedish, Swiss, Israeli armed forces are the clearest example of this. Israel even has a navy (!). And it was already when the population of this country was less than the current in 2. Fleet, Karl!

And all these military structures are not created because of “unprecedented ambitions”, but simply because of the need to “protect national interests”. That is, not to fight, but to avoid war. Thus, an independent state that is not part of military structures is often forced to spend on defense not less, but more in percentage terms compared to “big countries”. In Belarus, for some reason, talk about the fact that money for an army is money down the drain is very popular.



In general, for the Russian-Soviet person, the attitude of the Belarusians to their own army cannot but cause genuine surprise. For some reason, any mention in the press of purchasing weapons (small) or conducting exercises (rare) causes a rather negative reaction: money is needed for pensions, salaries for state employees, hospitals, schools ... and these devils played out in a charge.

And the attitude towards their own army in the Republic of Belarus is rather ambivalent, and again, it’s something that arouses some reader to the Russian reader. An example is a typical one. story officer, who fights with officials for retirement (classics of the genre - "Captain Kopeikin"). Well, what is there to add? The reaction of the Belarusians is striking - they feel sorry for the money for that very pension (the siloviki are getting it so early!). February 23 - report from the special forces unit. And a lot of photos. It seems to be living and rejoicing and proud that someone out there with us is no worse than the vaunted "green berets." However, the reaction is completely different - so, let's say, the reaction of a significant part of the audience is negative ... March 8 and photos of a pretty girl with a gun are also negative of readers in response.

No, sooner or later you get used to the fact that Belarusians are “peculiar” to Russia, but hostile attitudes towards their own army structure are something “beyond good and evil.” Well, here we must understand that the source of the problem is largely that the army is the most obvious symbol of the state, and the state in the Republic of Belarus is Lukashenko, and Lukashenka there has already “pulled out and pulled everyone out”.



When discussing what a valuable ally Belarus is and how it should be helped, one must take into account, on the one hand, quite powerful Russophobic sentiments (especially among young people), on the other hand, the categorical unpopularity of the current government. There was no social consensus in the Republic of Belarus, and the very “social contract” there was essentially “broken” there.

That is, “good News"No - there are only bad ones. Without any “war” there, the Republic of Belarus today has a cart and a small cart of various acute problems. After 1991, it was necessary to carry out radical reforms in politics, economics, social organization, defense ... But no one in Minsk really bothered with this. As a result, those same reforms have matured and matured. A typical, so to speak, revolutionary situation.

Reforms that have been put off for too long are always a big risk. Following the results, the Belarusian state is forced to spend the remaining resources on desperate attempts to keep the situation (which is impossible to keep). Plus (the trouble does not come alone) the military-political situation at the borders of Belarus has sharply worsened. And, of course, there is no money, not only for rearmament of the army, but for the fulfillment of current obligations to citizens and foreign states / structures.



At the same time, Mr. Lukashenko and the entire Belarusian state are openly boycotted by Europe (the legitimacy of the current government of the Republic of Belarus there not it is recognized) that, in addition to visa restrictions, it carries obvious military-political risks. Again, on the basis of the foregoing, we need an army, money for which is not, again we need citizens who are ready to defend this particular state with arms. power, and they just would like to change this very power for something more acceptable.

The most important role in the defense of the territory of the Republic of Belarus is played by relations with Russia, which, as has already been said, are spoiled by decades of overtly Russophobic propaganda. And, oddly enough, the Belarusians do not even realize that these are primarily their problems (they don’t have nuclear weapons), and not Russia at all. The crisis in Ukraine and Syria, which theoretically could unite the "allies", finally quarreled them (Lukashenko pointedly chose the "right side of history").

That is, in a phase of acute conflict in Eastern Europe, Belarus is in the maximum possible state: a serious internal division, the lack of a modern army, enormous problems in the economy, the absence of allies, and so on, in detail, such as what many Belarusians see in Poland / Lithuania potential "friends" as a result of the "genius" propaganda campaign of Lukashenko, and they just do not trust Russia.



In the strangest way, Belarusians very much love to rest on their absolute independence, but the question of providing such independence by force is actually not so interesting for them. The themes of creating a modern combat-ready army / readiness with arms in hand to defend their country are somehow not very popular in the mass consciousness of the inhabitants of the Republic of Belarus.

It’s about the economy, the same frankly “free” moods: “someone” should provide economic assistance, someone (some international structures) should ensure military security ... In the Belarusian mass consciousness, two mutually exclusive things get along in some strange way : an indestructible passion for "freebies" and an unconditional desire for independence.

Here, for example, is the independence of the same state of Israel ensured? Very simple provided. First, Jews work a lot (!), Then they build on the money earned Tanks, then they burn in these tanks - hence the profit, that is, independence. In general, as it seems to the author, state building of this kind in a hostile environment should ideally affect the Jewish national character.



Practically the same applies to the traditionally neutral Swiss Confederation, with its quite obvious militarism and massive calls from reservists. And what is the most interesting - neither in Israel, nor in Switzerland, nor in Finland, these same "games of soldiers" do not cause any questions. So it is necessary. And in these countries, the army enjoys unconditional respect (Israel is an archetypical example here). Imagine spitting and insulting the IDF in Israel is hard to do.

It is all about a clear and correct understanding of the basis and causes of genuine state independence. Thanks to the "correct understanding", the same Israel participated (and won) in major military conflicts in the Middle East, while having a population of 2-3 times less than in modern Belarus is nominally. And the oil there, in general, was not. Strip too.

An efficient economy, an efficient state machine, a willingness to work and sacrifice the latter to protect their country. This can be said about any of the above countries, data for comparison. Such is the price of independence. And even an example of such a small country like Holland, with its richest military history, confirms: independence is certainly possible, but it is very expensive for a small country and requires exertion of milestones (if anything, the Dutch have fought for 80 independence from the Spanish Empire , and the whole of Holland was literally covered with blood). In the course of the military campaign, the peaceful trade Dutch made a revolution (!) In military affairs, otherwise they would not survive.

So even leaving aside the supermilitarized Israel, the very beloved Belarusians Finland and Austria, Sweden and Switzerland, oddly enough, also historically militarized themselves to themselves ... And even Belgium with its legendary arms industry ... But here we will slow down our Ostap. That is, the Belarusians in a strange way very well see one side of the “small neutral independent states”, but categorically do not want to see the other side. And they categorically do not want to understand the price that must be paid for this “independence of a small state”.

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  1. +4
    21 May 2018
    Belarusians will raise their economy, get rich and take up the army. "Guns instead of oil" is certainly good, but without pants you can stay ...

    Especially when there is a strong ally nearby ... wink
    1. +21
      21 May 2018
      There is currently no upsurge in the economy or in science, but there is a place there to be a political and economic impasse and "Ukrainization" in the brains of Belarusians. Yeah .... they’ll all raise, lower, and then raise two more times. Article on the case.
      1. +3
        21 May 2018
        If there is no rise, then why else spend money on weapons? Only on what they themselves produce ...
        1. +1
          24 May 2018
          And what do they produce besides the modernization of Soviet weapons?
      2. +3
        21 May 2018
        Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
        There is currently no upsurge in economics or science, but there is a political and economic impasse and “Ukrainization” in the brains of Belarus


        And this "Ukrainization" in the brains of Belarusians is fueled, including by the actions of Russian officials
      3. +1
        24 May 2018
        What can we talk about if it takes 7-8 times more to pay off debts in Belarus than to the army.
      4. -2
        November 2, 2018
        Clean your brains, Victor, Egorov has long been a Belarusianophobe (someone stepped on his foot), for me this character, as it were, is not entering the house, a malicious mutiny. He did not write a single objective article about Belarus. Maybe he's from Femen? Sisi can show. Ukrainization is going on in your brains, we just lubricate the weapons while hunting!
    2. +6
      21 May 2018
      They will not raise, there are no such chances.
      1. +12
        21 May 2018
        Yes, what are you.
        In Belarus, all forces were put on the development of * independence *. Obligation of freebies from RUSSIA was meant by itself.
        This is not a * dislocation * of consciousness, but rather purposeful and long-term propaganda, not only in Belarus but also in other national suburbs. They know that RUSSIA will try * to smooth over the corners * here they come up with all sorts of different things and then try to believe it.
        1. +13
          21 May 2018
          In Belarus, all forces were put on the development of * independence *. Obligation of freebies from RUSSIA was meant by itself.
          This is not * dislocation * of consciousness, but quite purposeful and long-term propaganda not only in Belarus but also in other national suburbs.


          Well, what do they have today on the results? After Ukraine / Syria, the paths of Moscow and Minsk diverged finally. No need for illusions.
          And here it turns out that Belarus has no army.
          "Sovereignty" is, and the army - no ...
          Sorry, but to demand from Russia to defend a country that sided with the junta against the Russians of Donbass is somewhat brazenly
          1. +4
            21 May 2018
            But Russia did not? She did not introduce tanks to ensure the operation of the Budapest memorandum, recognized Gunpowder, sold and bought a bunch of goods, and wiped herself with banks.
            It seems that Minsk was signed, but they did not provide.
            The Americans officially supply anti-Assad, but we do not.
            1. +8
              21 May 2018
              And Russia did not become? She did not enter the tanks


              Sorry you somehow all very easy to understand
              Politics - harder
              But (quite obvious fact) Russia for Donbass and against the junta
              RB- exactly the opposite.
              And we are trading with England and the United States.
            2. +2
              21 May 2018
              Oh .. How are you 15 years old probably writing such nonsense?
              1. +2
                22 May 2018
                https://topwar.ru/141872-budapesht-poprosil-u-nat
                o-zaschity-ot-ukrainy.html
                Hungarians protect their 2.5 cripples. We - our millions - no, no way.
    3. 0
      21 May 2018
      Quote: tasha
      Especially when there is a strong ally nearby ...
      - “If a friend turned out to be“ suddenly ”, and not a friend and not an enemy, but ...” Inadequacy Lukashenko gave “results”: turned formerly friendly neighbors into unpredictable substance, which you absolutely can not hope for in case of unforeseen cataclysms. It’s even scary to imagine what will happen to Belarus when the Luka regime falls — I hope, at least for this option, did Surkov simulate something?
  2. +1
    21 May 2018
    Well said, only it is not clear what to do (well, that is, it is clear, but our authorities are too poor and inert for this).
  3. +9
    21 May 2018
    Sweden, Switzerland, Finland are countries with a long history, military experience, military alliances, and so on, and Belarus, like Ukraine and a number of newly-minted states, a state entity artificially created by meager characters. And what will happen to Belarus in 10-20 years, no one knows where it will swing. At the same time, Sweden and Switzerland will live together and make good. And Israel has created a predominantly mono-national state in which people of the same nationality, of the same faith came out with one fist , of course, with US military technical support. And they won over the Arabs, who, as it turned out with overwhelming numerical superiority, were not able to win the soldiers, therefore the once developed Arab countries were European colonies, and even today if it weren’t for the support of the USA and the USSR, they would have lived all like Afghanistan.
  4. +6
    21 May 2018
    Whatever they say, the army is needed. And a strong army! soldier
  5. +5
    21 May 2018
    All the countries cited by the author have an excellent economy, have not experienced the wonders of the 90s. Israel is a constant threat of war, and it’s warm there (this is a very important factor for the economy).
    In post-Soviet countries, except for the Russian Federation, except that Azerbaijan has a normally amicable army, well, the APU is pulling up (in no case should not be underestimated).
    First, normal economic growth is needed, then the modernization of the army. But there is something, for example, with air defense, everything is fine, and we’ll get the Su-30 just about.
    1. +10
      21 May 2018
      Israel is a constant threat of war well, it's warm there (This is a very important factor for the economy).


      Be sure to tell the Israelis about this ... how lucky they are to live in the desert. laughing

      except that Azerbaijan has a normal fighting army


      Armenians look at you with bewilderment and kind of resentment ...
      1. +5
        21 May 2018
        Not all of Israel is a desert and most of the population does not live in the desert, see the map. Winter uniforms, training features, heating oh are not cheap. Armenia (no offense) without Russia is unlikely to last long.
        1. +13
          21 May 2018
          Scandinavia + Finland - countries are quite cold
          with a "difficult" climate
          Austria + Switzerland is mountains (very difficult terrain and difficult climate)
          Israel - it's hot in there for a white man (for an Arab - ok)
          Russia spent much more on the Republic of Belarus than on Armenia, but there is an army in Armenia, but not in the Republic of Belarus
          1. +1
            21 May 2018
            Nothing prevented the Scandinavians from developing, there were no upheavals of the 90s. The breaking of economic ties is a separate issue.
            Armenia has it, but there is still a lot of work - there are no modern air forces, for example, the quantity of equipment is so-so .. the most valuable is OTRK Iskander and, of course, combat experience.
            1. +7
              21 May 2018
              Nothing prevented the Scandinavians from developing,


              Poor Sweden lots of fought
              Switzerland has always sought to "devour" the neighbors ...
              so it's not that simple ...

              Armenia has, but there is no end of work


              Keyword Yes
          2. +1
            23 May 2018
            Wrong spent on Belarus and got the corresponding result
      2. +3
        21 May 2018
        Quote: Olezhek
        Be sure to tell the Israelis about this ... how lucky they are to live in the desert.

        Moses drove the Jews through the desert for 40 years - and yet he found a place where there was no oil. smile
        1. +1
          21 May 2018
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Moses drove the Jews through the desert for 40 years - and yet he found a place where there was no oil.

          Fuck them oil
          ))) they (Jews) go to Israel with diamonds, gold and rich bank accounts.
    2. 0
      22 May 2018
      Quote: Vadim851
      In post-Soviet countries except the Russian Federation, except that Azerbaijan has a normally combat-ready army,

      exactly combat ready
      or having combat experience?
  6. +3
    21 May 2018
    Quote: tasha
    Belarusians will raise their economy, get rich and take up the army.

    What for ? First question .... laughing
    1. 0
      21 May 2018
      The right question, by the way ... Indeed, why? This is if about the army wink
  7. 0
    21 May 2018
    Time will judge, but, it seems, if a confusion begins on the likeness of the Maidan or some other color revolution in Belarus, then the GDP, already taught by bitter experience, will simply crush it.
  8. +10
    21 May 2018
    Quote: Vadim851
    First, normal economic growth is needed, then the modernization of the army. But there is something, for example, with air defense, everything is fine, and we’ll get the Su-30 just about.

    ---------------------------
    In general, it is better for Belarusians to proceed from the paradigm that they are part of the Russian people and they don’t need the state at all from the supranational risk of becoming mono-ethnic. Belarus should be part of Russia, just to survive.
    1. -1
      21 May 2018
      Roll up your lip. tongue Survive yourself in your swamp, and Belarusians will have enough of their own. laughing
    2. +1
      22 May 2018
      Quote: Altona
      In general, Belarusians are better off starting from the paradigm that they are part of the Russian people and the state

      aha
      DNR and LC have already come from this paradigm
  9. +10
    21 May 2018
    the reaction of a large part of the audience is negative ...

    To ruin the state, it is enough to despise three professions - warrior, blacksmith, plowman. Brothers Belarusians, at what stage are you?
    1. +6
      21 May 2018
      Quote: colonel
      To ruin the state, it is enough to despise three professions - warrior, blacksmith, plowman. Brothers Belarusians, at what stage are you?

      Our "God-chosen" rulers have long made these professions despised
    2. +1
      22 May 2018
      Quote: colonel
      the reaction of a large part of the audience is negative ...

      To ruin the state, it is enough to despise three professions - warrior, blacksmith, plowman. Brothers Belarusians, at what stage are you?

      on the 4th glory to "strong business executives"
    3. +1
      23 May 2018
      At the final stage, because the army was brought to a handle, agriculture was breathing in the palm of its hand (the village was dying completely, that is, completely), and work behind a stack or workshop was not prestigious at all. So of the three criteria, all three are available.
  10. +5
    21 May 2018
    I have one question for the author of the article. Dear, what do you know about the Belarusian Army, and what is its ability to protect your country? Please share here at VO.
    1. +3
      21 May 2018
      I have one question for the author of the article. Dear, what do you know about the Belarusian Army, and what is its ability to defend your country?
      She is not without Russia
      1. +3
        21 May 2018
        grau. Are you the author of the article? The army is in Belarus, and it’s not for you to judge whether it is with Russia or not. Moreover, an agreement on cooperation and mutual assistance has been concluded between Russia and Belarus.
        1. +3
          21 May 2018
          There is a modern army in Russia
          but you don’t have
          you have to pay for independence
          1. +2
            21 May 2018
            Quote: grau
            There is a modern army in Russia
            but you don’t have
            you have to pay for independence

            And why are you boasting like it’s your personal army?
            Are you Kalomoisky?
            1. 0
              21 May 2018
              No, I'm not bragging, but just stating a fact
              1. +2
                23 May 2018
                What kind of independence were you talking about? There is none for there is no gold reserve. Ma is directly dependent on Russia. Yes, and we need Russia only as a buffer zone. About 15 years ago they were still needed.
    2. +1
      22 May 2018
      Quote: Starik72
      Dear, what do you know about the Belarusian Army, and what is its ability to defend your country?

      obviously what is stated in the article:
      There is no army in Belarus; join the Russian Federation.
      1. +1
        23 May 2018
        There is no army, but there are internal troops, they will surpass the army both in numbers and in training and in providing equipment and weapons. Just happen if something from outside the yab did not count on them.
  11. +2
    21 May 2018
    Quote: solovald
    then GDP, already taught by bitter experience, will simply crush it.

    --------------------
    It is unlikely. He will not do this. I didn’t do it in Armenia.
  12. +6
    21 May 2018
    Lukash scratches his ridge! Who does not want to feed his army, will feed someone else's ...

    Or when he cooks, will he again remember that Belarus and Russia are brothers?
    With such a "brother" as Lukash one must keep an eye out, otherwise it’s not an hour, he’ll go over to the West ... Soyuznik ... No. negative
    1. +1
      21 May 2018
      Quote: Brigadier
      when he cooks, he will again remember that Belarus and Russia are brothers?
      With such a "brother" as Lukash one must keep an eye out, otherwise it’s not an hour, he’ll go over to the West ... Soyuznik ...


      Lukash, as you say, is a real master in his country, and even a decent person! He did not let the republic grab the grabbers, as happened with us. So you can escape poison, and Old Man saved the country and does not give bandits and revolutionary terrorists a chance
      1. +3
        23 May 2018
        Can I find out what he saved? The only thing he saved was Soviet officials who did not want to think differently. In order to keep production and modernize it is necessary. And we have Soviet equipment, well, count how old it is to him and what percentage of wear. State enterprises are completely unprofitable. Private businesses begin to milk without even letting a person turn around. On many types of activities state monopoly. Money is partially swollen into obviously unprofitable projects (if not to say more) and partially stolen. Politics has led promising young people to see themselves anywhere but in their home country. A third of the country goes to work. Solid posts and fraud. It seems that the authorities live in their fictional world and in general do not intersect with reality in any way. Although there was no clash last year - at rallies of parasites. Only now they can offer a job such that you can only pay for the communal apartment, and all your problems and food will be dressed. The prices of goods produced with us when buying in Belarus are much higher than abroad, and the quality is much worse. And you say the owner. Not the owner is the one who does not know his farm. And he is so good and he does not want to delve into.
    2. +4
      21 May 2018
      And what's the difference who feed? Or Russians are naked or unknown strangers. They are both guzzling, and as for the protection of the Russian, it is somehow involuntary and the Donbass is remembered .. What’s the junta firing at them if the Russians are on the Internet for protection .. Explain to the youngster?
      1. +1
        24 May 2018
        Sorry, if the Russians are nude, then what Belarusians?
      2. 0
        August 30 2018
        Sorry, I don’t agree about the stupid Russians or unknown strangers. There is no work in Belarus. And if there is a salary, tears. Young people don’t see their future here, they’re leaving. My daughter and son-in-law have left for Russia. It’s hard for them to come back and they don’t think. My grandchildren ask if Belarus has a future? I reply that if nothing changes here, this country has no future. Why should I lie? Under Lukashenko nothing will change. Why should he? He is already in chocolate. About the Union State with Russia ... If Belarus becomes a part of Russia, who will Lukashenko be? Correctly one of the highest officials, and so he is the President of an independent country. Moreover, when I ask a question out loud, what and from whom are we independent? In response to silence. Our officials divorced like dirt and salaries are not prisoners. For example, only on dishes in my new Palace, the Presidential Administration spent from the budget 250 thousand dollars. I don’t know the truth, no, I read on. In this case, the external debt 6-7 billion dollars. We are also often ashamed of how our president behaves. But you Russians should know that Belarusians are not a people, they are a population living in this territory. Well, a lot of things could be told ... No, we don’t the future is ruled by Lukashenko. And you write here, Lukashenko is the boss. He’s the fucking boss. Mostly the picture is on TV and fraud.
  13. +10
    21 May 2018
    Something I do not like today Belarus.
    Whatever happens. As if the fate of Ukraine did not go to the brothers-Belarusians.
    I am very afraid!
    1. +1
      21 May 2018
      Quote: Ukrainian
      Something I do not like today Belarus.
      Whatever happens. As if the fate of Ukraine did not go to the brothers-Belarusians.
      I am very afraid!

      )
      If our overly "smart" government does not put any regular pig in our relationship, then you can not worry
  14. +2
    21 May 2018
    I read, grabbed my AK, jumped on the bison. And who to shoot and where to attack is unclear. Good article, just about nothing at all. Tolley women in the army to drag, toli to collect gold - I did not understand.
    1. 0
      22 May 2018
      Quote: AshiSolo
      Tolley women in the army to drag, toli to collect gold - I did not understand.

      obviously de
      Bab in gold in the army !!!
    2. 0
      August 30 2018
      But you don’t have to be rude. A normal article. On business. If you want to be independent, be strong. And our army is only for parades. At the parade, the main one is Lukashenko. My grandchildren ask me what title the president has, one big star in pursuit ? But I don’t know. Someone listened to the conversation on the bus, saying that he’s the Commander-in-Chief. He always believed that the Commander-in-Chief is a position and not a rank. It’s a shame to look at this squalor: Kolya’s son in Parade and Lukashenko in military uniform. We have 40.000 army . and the police and explosives are probably 100.000. And the article correctly indicates. Why should Russia stand up for us if we ourselves do not want to do this. Respect must be earned. Why should we respect us? For our president, who is walking around the world with outstretched hands? it’s a little something - Russia is to blame. You Russians there do not believe any Sheremets and other oppamas - we normally treat Russia and consider it friends.
  15. +6
    21 May 2018
    Strange article. Where does the information come from that Belarusians are mostly negative about the army? And where does it stand out as a fact and from this build the rest of the concept. It seems to me that if the source is wrong, then the conclusion from it will be the same. And about Russophobia among young people - this is already a "fact" that does not require evidence. In my circle of friends (I'm 35 years old - a civil engineer), the vast majority of people treat Russia very well. And for myself, I do not see the difference between our countries at all.
    1. +3
      21 May 2018
      Know such a popular resource: tut.by?
      Comments on it ... I regularly read. I love the same naviny.by
      By the way, for a long time, ishshu is a good suitable pro-Russian resource in the Republic of Belarus
      with pro-Russian comments. So far unsuccessfully.
      1. +3
        21 May 2018
        I know and constantly watch it. But this is the resource that you go to only to read comments and laugh at the genius of individual strategists. Moreover, there are well-known commentators - (I somehow tried to analyze something) there are about 25-35 people who have long had a stomach ulcer laughing. Talking about some objectively tumbling is nonsense, especially since the identity of its co-owner is also known - someone Zisser lol - a rare genius and "Rusolyub". About pro-Russian sites - I do not know and have not heard. But it seems to me that news sites should not be pro-Russian or pro-German - but simply objective. And I did not see any pro-Belarusian sites for 10 years of work in St. Petersburg.
        1. +1
          21 May 2018
          About the pro-Russian sites - I do not know and have not heard


          And it seems no one heard ...
          By the way, there are pro-Western ones.

          But it seems to me that the news sites should not be pro-Russian or pro-German - just objective.


          It is wonderful - and that bread ... Do not throw the address? "Objective" Belarusian site?

          And the pro-Belarusian sites for 10 years of work in St. Petersburg, I also did not see.


          In the Republic of Belarus - topic number adyn
          In the Russian Federation of the Republic of Belarus - topic number 15
          sorry request
          1. +2
            21 May 2018
            I won’t throw it, because I don’t know. For me, this is objective when news is presented without the conclusions of the author and his conclusions who is right and who is to blame. I myself can figure it out and draw conclusions, again, for myself.
            About the fact that Russia No. 1 in Belarus-did not know, and did not notice how. But even if this is so, I don’t see anything wrong with that. Russia for Belarus is the only friend and brother. If someone does not understand this, then I am very sorry for him.
            1. +2
              21 May 2018
              su76a2 (paul)
              And the pro-Belarusian sites for 10 years of work in St. Petersburg, I also did not see.
              I myself can figure it out and draw conclusions, again, for myself.

              It is doubtful that you yourself can figure it out.
              I can name at least three pro-Belarusian sites in the Russian Federation until 2013-2014. This is the site of VO, the newspapers "Tomorrow" and "Soviet Russia". And now they are largely pro-Belorussian, although this is stupid. And you have not found a single one in 10 years, working in my city. And where are your abilities?
              1. +1
                23 May 2018
                Yuri, everything is simple - each media should be financed, we subtract the state media from here (they sing by order of the state with national money), and we get the dry balance of the sites paid by the West and a couple of three owners who are constantly offended by the same state. And we get the result - there is not a single media in our country pro-Russian. Even if it appears, the state will quickly cover it. We have censorship in the state-ve, and pro-Western sites in the west and you live at their address you look.
            2. +3
              21 May 2018
              Quote: su76a2
              . Russia for Belarus is the only friend and brother. If someone does not understand this, then I am very sorry for him.


              Zuckermans, Axelruds and Rosenbaum perfectly understand everything and specially pour gasoline into the fire. It is their task to embroil the brotherly people, to divide them, to play off among themselves as in Ukraine
            3. +1
              23 May 2018
              We Russians understand, we understand everything. Do you Belarusians understand? Somehow you from us Russians are stomping the other way, with a sideways and grinning))) Pennies are closer than "brotherly love"?)))
              1. 0
                August 30 2018
                We don't stomp anywhere. I always vote against Lukashenko, all these 24-25 years of "independence". And the majority votes for him. Yes, now he has not 80%, less. But more than 50%. There are already fewer votes in his defense even in everyday conversation, than it was 5-6 years ago. But the economy of the Republic of Belarus is failing. Nothing is being built on the periphery. For example, in our city of Polotsk, not a single plant has been built over the past 25 years. Only those that were built during Soyuz-meat-packing plant, car repair plant, foundry is breathing in incense. There is no money and will not be under this president. What should we do? Rally? You have held a lot of meetings against the pension reform ...
      2. 0
        22 May 2018
        Quote: Olezhek
        By the way, for a long time, ishshu is a good suitable pro-Russian resource in the Republic of Belarus
        with pro-Russian comments. So far unsuccessfully.

        To do this, watch BT and the AHL’s speeches, though they have no comments.
      3. +2
        24 May 2018
        Once in a polemic with Olezhka, I already recommended that he often run into tut.bu, “Belarusian Policeman,” Navi Bai, Belsat .... He heard. Now I recommend watching the official Belarusian channels, thinking, analyzing what, where, how and why it is inconsistent in some cases between Belarus and Russia. Or vice versa, everything is fine. Sometimes go to Belarus-3. There, all the films are pro-Russian ... Recently, "Alexander Nevsky" ... "for the Russian land ...". Do you have these?
    2. +2
      21 May 2018
      Quote: su76a2
      Strange article. Where does the information come from that Belarusians are mostly negative about the army? And where does it stand out as a fact and from this build the rest of the concept. It seems to me that if the source is wrong, then the conclusion from it will be the same. And about Russophobia among young people - this is already a "fact" that does not require evidence. In my circle of friends (I'm 35 years old - a civil engineer), the vast majority of people treat Russia very well. And for myself, I do not see the difference between our countries at all.

      God bless you!
      The God-chosen ones see the difference, they also add kerosene to the fire. What you will do is their way of life - to fish in troubled waters ...
    3. +2
      21 May 2018
      The difference between the two countries is great, and it is constantly increasing. About the Army of the Republic of Belarus. The site of my Belarusian town always actively discusses hazing and the suicides of soldiers. They also discussed plans for the purchase of a batch of Su-30SM fighters from the Russian Federation. 12 pieces Comments are exactly as described by the author of the article. The youth on the site of my town teaches Russian to speak Russian in Belarus instead of Belarus. Do not find an analogy with to / to Ukraine? And on May 9, they managed to post Ukrainian poppies and dates 1939-1945 on the same site. Enough mind ... What country do you live in su76a2 in?
      1. +1
        22 May 2018
        Already in Belarus. Before that, he lived and worked in St. Petersburg for 10 years.
      2. +1
        23 May 2018
        And why are you surprised? The people love their homeland and HATE THE STATE.
        1. +1
          23 May 2018
          Where is your homeland?
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    1. +1
      21 May 2018
      If you wrote without irony, then I know a good doctor.
  17. 0
    21 May 2018
    Why bother Belarus? The question is purely to the author!
  18. +6
    21 May 2018
    Many letters, did not understand anything. But if anything, I support Lukashenko drinks
    1. +1
      23 May 2018
      Can I clarify what? I do not know of any undertaking not ruined by this power. Yes, there was a first-class foreign policy, but its year is already 3-4. Our country needs reforms, but where to find normal, adequate, highly educated, competent, and most importantly honest people for this purpose. Those who are in power are stolen and lied, they know that they can pay off and therefore are not afraid of anyone.
  19. 0
    21 May 2018
    The article is about nothing. There is a different approach to defense spending. Some spend a lot. For example, Israel and Russia in some years each had 5% of GDP. There are countries that emit less than 0,5% of GDP. Belarus more than 1%.
    Obviously, they have enough.
    If you look at the world with impartiality, the United States and NATO will not attack without reason even the most inveterate dictators. It’s not worth understanding how justification, God forbid. This is an explanation of motivation.
    Someone challenged the United States, attacked the allies - Iraq. Grenada is a US hostile policy.
    Libya is the same, Yugoslavia is similar, plus hordes of refugees. The same Syria - is friends with the enemies of the United States. There is a certain pragmatism in actions. (I beg, no need for morality in politics).
    Lukashenko is much smarter than the idiot Gaddafi, he does not create enemies with his own hands. (that Gaddafi is mentally underdeveloped is an axiom). And they do not really need to destabilize the regime.
    So maybe 1% is enough for him.
  20. 0
    21 May 2018
    Allied Belarusians ... whose Crimea is it ...? And Abkhazia with South Ossetia ... are they someone ... or on their own?
    1. 0
      21 May 2018
      Quote: Cheshire
      Allied Belarusians ... whose Crimea is it ...?

      It's definitely not yours, not Jewish
      1. 0
        21 May 2018
        Taki tee is a Jew ... how cute ... hehe ... Albert ... still not a typical Russian name.
        1. 0
          24 May 2018
          Quote: Cheshire
          Taki tee is a Jew ... how cute ... hehe ... Albert ... still not a typical Russian name.

          Taki was cunning from Ezrail here with the cheshire cat.
          Then he disappeared somewhere. And now you have appeared. ..
          Not?
          1. 0
            24 May 2018
            Hehe ... you are a Jew, do not cluck ... go to your promised land ... let the Palestinian ... with a knife ... poke you.
        2. 0
          24 May 2018
          Meehan, are you?
          1. 0
            24 May 2018
            Evreus you are an albert ... as there is a Jew.
    2. 0
      August 30 2018
      Crimea is unambiguously Russian.! And for me now it’s like a litmus test. Question to a friend or colleague: Whose Crimea? If it starts to crumple or something to bleat, I cease to communicate with such = Russophobe type.
  21. +1
    21 May 2018
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: Vadim851
    First, normal economic growth is needed, then the modernization of the army. But there is something, for example, with air defense, everything is fine, and we’ll get the Su-30 just about.

    ---------------------------
    In general, it is better for Belarusians to proceed from the paradigm that they are part of the Russian people and they don’t need the state at all from the supranational risk of becoming mono-ethnic. Belarus should be part of Russia, just to survive.

    Well, well !!!, and launch a flock of miners to us, from whom you eat food in your capitals.
  22. +3
    22 May 2018
    1. Belarus is not capable of having any serious army (because it is insulting to call this formation Belarus). The lion's share of the budget is spent on maintaining the independence, i.e. President and others. No army is left with money.

    2. To consider Belarus an ally or even a friendly state of Russia, this is the height of naivety. Any limitroph is hostile to Russia by the very fact of its existence on Russian soil.
  23. +2
    22 May 2018
    Belarus will simply let NATO go straight to Moscow and let “steep and powerful Russia” show its steepness.
    1. +2
      22 May 2018
      It seems that God has already missed you when he was distributing his mind ...
  24. 0
    22 May 2018
    "The Netherlands, with its rich military history, confirms: independence is certainly possible, but it costs a lot for a small country and requires effort of all forces (if anything, the Dutch fought for independence from the Spanish empire for 80 years, and the whole of Holland was literally covered in blood ). "
    Then I was very choked, for I read about "beating in the heart of the ashes" in childhood. The riches of the Netherlands are certainly provided not by the Spanish armada and not by the Uber-weapons of this Holland (just rogues, even managed to penetrate Japan for some time, but turned around in Indonesia. Still, read simple history books 6-7-8 Egorov - your discussion of Belarusian politics and the army - this is the discussion of nobody about anything.
    1. +2
      23 May 2018
      The riches of the Netherlands are certainly not provided by the Spanish armada and uber-weapon of this Holland


      Money is rotten ...
      Independence The Netherlands was bought at the cost of the blood of its inhabitants.
      Komrad - how much are you personally willing to sacrifice for the sake of your country?
      Do you even understand the difference between talking about pennies and independence?
  25. +1
    22 May 2018
    Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
    There is currently no upsurge in the economy or in science, but there is a place there to be a political and economic impasse and "Ukrainization" in the brains of Belarusians. Yeah .... they’ll all raise, lower, and then raise two more times. Article on the case.

    Do you have a lift? You, (aces of PR - censorship), live in (well ... censorship), you are worried about our army!?!
    Remember, RUSSIANS (not Russian), I understand that you consider us tactical "cannon fodder" .NO! We learned the lessons. Remember how the Poles bent you (and us Orthodox) - Minin and Pozharsky were looking for anyone, the so-called legitimate tsar, after Susanin got lost (forgive the moronic joke with a fraction of the joke) And, as you perfectly gave to the dukes !. I read historical books and worry about those Slavic ancestors with whom I could not be. In your imagination, Belarusians are “vegetables”. We really are, but we have something that you Russians do not have - we protect our home without pathos. We will kill the enemy without hysteria, so to speak, "Slavic slow people"!
    1. +2
      23 May 2018
      Why are you so upset? Nobody considers you cannon fodder. A lot of honor. Ordinary shifters, like the Ukrainians, today those tomorrow the day after tomorrow everyone. No need to tear your throats who are Belarusians and what to expect from you has long been clear. Tomorrow, the State Department will include your “country” in the plan for revolutions and you will jump on (what’s there at Minske) and write chants about Russian aggression. Although probably a third will go into the woods, you still have a lot of Russian people.
      1. 0
        29 May 2018
        Quote: DVTamga
        Why are you so upset? Nobody considers you cannon fodder. A lot of honor. Ordinary shifters, like the Ukrainians, today those tomorrow the day after tomorrow everyone. Not (what do you have at Minsk)

        I look like that, stupidity and heroism in one bottle are welcomed ("not that headquarters in the Petrograd named after the enemy’s bridge of the" Czechs "). If you want to yap - argue!
  26. +2
    25 May 2018
    Article is complete bullshit! Starting with the statement that the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus are weak and incompetent. The author does not give any figures and data to his claims. Naked populism, worse than on the Air Force or CNN !!! If you look at various sovm. exercises "West 2017" and others. smaller, you will see that the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus fulfilled various standards not worse, and sometimes better than Russian. The choice of countries for comparison is surprising, and the more so! One could compare at least the number of aircraft per 1000 people. us. Finns 5,17; Swedes 3,07; Swiss 0,47; RB 7,08. By the way, the Russian Federation has about 6,5. Regarding the military-industrial complex, I advise you to study such new items as the Polonez MLRS or the KAYMAN armored car and others. It is enough for the author to recall that the sights are in Russian tanks or some of the aviation devices in the Sushki and MIGs of Belarusian production! About the fact that in Belarus they treat their aircraft and Russia badly, I don’t even want to say anything, just rubbish! I apologize in advance for the spelling.
    1. +1
      27 May 2018
      Quote: Ramzes13
      Article is complete bullshit! Starting with the statement that the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus are weak and incompetent. The author does not give any figures and data to his claims. Naked populism, worse than on the Air Force or CNN !!! If you look at various sovm. exercises "West 2017" and others. smaller, you will see that the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus fulfilled various standards not worse, and sometimes better than the Russian. The choice of countries for comparison is surprising, and the more so!

      Yes!
      But it is written for another:
      Your Army is not combat-ready, and if so, we’ll post a couple of bases of the RF Armed Forces and will protect you.
  27. -1
    25 May 2018
    The article is exactly in the top ten. On May 9, Lukashenko banned the march of the immortal regiment in Minsk, but people nonetheless left. After the annexation of Crimea, he banned, as it was possible to think of it, banned St. George ribbons, hung a swamp-bloody rag on everyone’s lapel, of course not for me, and screamed on all TV channels that most citizens didn’t watch, but deleted, about the fairy tale Abybylovayny. And the most interesting thing is he’s getting it, people have been going on for a quarter of a century, even Brezhnev didn’t sit in his chair for so long. And it constantly demands from Russia free oil and gaaaaaz at a price as in the Smolensk region. Zhirinovsky told him, let's be the governor of the Bilorus province and you will have oil and gas-oil at a price almost like in Langepas, but Sasha wants both ours and yours. And there’s nothing to say about the Army, it’s simply not there, soldiers conscripts die like flies in units, every year there are several people, their parents provide them with money, and what is given out is not enough even for a smoke. Disastrously. And he talks about some kind of independence.
    1. +1
      27 May 2018
      You are brazenly and openly lying! "Immortal Regiment" no one forbade! It was held in all cities of Belarus and the capital. Second: Lukashenko had a composition on his lapel. Half ribbon in the colors of the national flag. Half - ribbon St. George. And everything is held together by the flower of the apple tree. Look at the photo! Soldiers don't die like flies. In 2017, 4 (four) people died during military service. In this, 2 (one suicide, the second because of safety violations during the shooting. I understand you. Mr. Yegorov threw firewood. And you will bring the match to
  28. +2
    26 May 2018
    Mr. Egorov is very grateful to all the ratification of the Belarusian "Russophobes". This is not an article, but the name day of the heart for anyone who hates Russia and Belarus. This is a real “Agator's Notepad” for the entire Russophobian gang-fraternity. Opus "VO" instantly reprinted in the presentation of "Our Niva" and other publications of this kind and went to write the province. I am ashamed to quote comments on Belarus, its army and Russia and its army. Dozens of likes. What are you doing? Why add fuel to the fire? After all, the author knows very well that the Belarusian and Russian military are working to ensure security hand in hand. Joint operational-strategic maneuvers "West" and "Union Shield" are regularly held. Belarus’s RTV units are located along the borders with NATO, and on-line air traffic information is received at the Central Command and Control Center of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Two strategic Russian military bases are located in Belarus for free. The missile attack precautionary station in the Brest region and the communications center of the Russian Navy in the Minsk region.

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