Russian Navy is on the verge of failure in the global race of strategic naval anti-missile defense

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Alarm shaft Newsconcerning the pace of development of shipboard air defense and missile defense systems in the Middle Kingdom and the United States, flooded into the vastness of the World Wide Web in May 2018. And if you carefully look at the situation not from a cheers-patriotic point of view, but from the point of view of a really emerging picture based on the performance characteristics of new models of equipment described by numerous foreign media, then you will quickly lose the desire to shout loudly about unreasonable alarmism.



Information about launching the second promising Chinese missile control destroyer weapons Type 055 appeared 28 on April 2018 of the year, while the head ship was launched on 28 on June 2017 of the year. These sisterships are built on the Shanghai shipyard of the company “Jiangnan Shipyard (Group)”; The remaining 4 advanced destroyers of the new class are built at the Dalian Shipbuilding Industry in Dalian, Liaoning Province, along with 4 new destroyers of a smaller displacement Type 052D. A pair of EMs under construction, the 055 Type from this “Dalian Four”, is also practically ready to be launched, which is very eloquently indicated by not so high-quality, but rather informative photos from Chinese amateur naval engineers who flew a passenger airliner. Here you can see that 2 EM are in dry dock, at the final stage of construction. What do we have here?

Firstly, it’s a staggering pace of production of Chinese surface ships with a displacement of more than 7000 tons, which since 2010 can boast that each new destroyer of the 052C Lanzhou, 052D Kunming and 055 departs from the slipways of the Jiangan and Dalian shipyards every 6 -10 months. This figure is absolutely commensurate with the production rate of American Arleigh Burke URO destroyers of Flight I / II / IIA modifications at Bath Iron Works and Ingalls Shipbuilding owned by General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman Ship Systems . It was from 2010 that the non-stop production of Type 052C destroyers began, starting with Changchun (tail number 150). Our shipyard JSC Baltic Shipyard Yantar also boasts an accelerated launch of frigates of the Admiral Series of project 11356, designed to update the Black Sea fleet Russian Navy. But, alas, this only applies to launching and adopting the so-called “first three” ships of this type, which are actively participating in the “Syrian Express” today. The commissioning of the Black Sea Fleet of the second three of the data of the “guard” (“Admiral Butakov”, “Admiral Istomin” and “Admiral”) is unambiguously delayed until the beginning of the 20s.

As you know, this was due to the long-term dependence of the Russian military shipbuilding on the Zorya-Mashproekt production complex, located on the territory of Ukraine (in the city of Nikolaev), which, after the start of Ukrainian aggression against LDNR, ceased cooperation with the Russian Defense Ministry in connection with the relevant legislative acts , prepared by the regime of Poroshenko. It was this company that in 1981 developed for the 1164 “Atlant” missile cruisers the promising 110000-strong combined gas-turbine installation M21 of the COGAS type, represented by two sustainer GTE М70 with the total power of 14700 kW and four afterburner GTE М90 with the total power of 32NXX Much to our happiness, the problem “No. 58839” with the refusal of the “Dawn” - “Mashproekt” from the delivery of the “Severnaya Verf” and “Yantar” to the gas-turbine installations М1Н7Е was decided by the beginning of this year: the serial production of analogues of the Ukrainian unit will be mastered ODK-Saturn (Rybinsk).

But after all, the capabilities of the Russian Navy in solving the main range of tasks in the far sea zone after descending from the stocks of the “second three” patrol ships of the “Burevestnik” class will increase, but only slightly. Why? Despite the excellent tactical and technical characteristics of the ship's “Shtil-1” anti-aircraft missile system, provided by the high-speed engines of the modular TLU 3C90.1 (about 2 seconds) and the use of highly advanced 9X317ME graphics systems in the beginning of the group of architects in the beginning of the group of the Bank of the NIHXXXX9E high-level anti-aircraft 317X24E 84 anti-aircraft missile interceptor 158X9.317; gas jet system vector deviation), its ammunition is only 4 anti-aircraft missiles, which is extremely insufficient to reflect the order of the ship strike group massed protivokorabel s missile strikes tens such as AGM / UGM-4G / N (the air and underwater start) sverhdalnoboynyh AGM-90C LRASM, as well as promising Norwegian NSM. Much to our regret, the XNUMXМXNUMXМЭ / А interceptor missile ammunition cannot even compensate for the XNUMX channel guidance system provided by the XNUMX “radar searchlights” of the Orekh X-band target illumination. The situation can only be corrected by additional installation of the combat module of the Pantsir-M naval anti-aircraft missile and artillery complex, or by its deeply improved modification using improved hypersonic missiles that are being developed today for the Pantsir-SM ground version.


The unit of the gas-jet system for the deflection of the thrust vector of the anti-aircraft guided missile 9М317МЭ


Ammunition of strike weapons, located on board the Burevestnik, is also not sufficient to deliver tangible strikes at enemy coastal strategic objects, covered with a powerful anti-missile "barrier" based on modern multi-channel SAM-SAM, NASAMS, SLAMRAAM, as well as " Land Ceptor ": 8 subsonic strategic cruise missiles such as 3М14Т, housed in the 1x8 universal built-in launcher 3C14E UKSK, have very low (like" Tomahawki ") flight-technical qualities, and therefore will ogkimi targets for interceptors type «Aster-30», AIM-120C-5- / 7 / D AMRAAM and CAMM / -ER, which are equipped with the above SAM. The only positive moment of the impact component of the 11356 project is the use of improved anti-ship types 3М54E from the UKSA, the combat stage of which accelerates to the speed in 3100 km / h on the trajectory flying area, as well as capable of performing vigorous anti-oil maneuvers.

But even this is not an indicator, since modern SM-6 anti-aircraft guided missiles (all Aegis ships of the United States are equipped with them) have active radar homing heads and a range of more than 240 km, which makes it possible to intercept 3М54Е even on the cruising trajectory when airspeed is about 900 km / h. As for the use of 3М55 "Onyx" anti-ship missiles, the "trimmed" modification of the universal vertical 3C14 vertical launcher is not adapted to the placement of these products, just like the promising 91РЭ2 "Caliber-NKE". The “extended” modification of the UKSK - 3С14У is installed on the frigates of the 22350 “Admiral Gorshkov” project.

As an example for comparing the “Petrel” class patrol ships with western counterparts, the Spanish Aegis frigates of the Alvaro de Bazan class F-100 project, which have a close standard displacement of 4555 tons, are the most objective to consider. The frigates of this project are equipped with a universal vertical launcher Mk 41 VLS with 48 cells designed for installation of transport-launch containers Mk 13 (for placing interceptor missile interceptors of the type SM-2 Block IIIA / B), Mk 15 (for anti-submarine missiles RUM-139A / B Mod 5AS / SW (“Asroc-VLA”), Mk 25 (to accommodate a quad module with 4 SAM RIM-162 ESSM), Mk 14 (for Tomahawks) and Mk 21 (for exo-atmospheric SM-3 intercoms and long-range missiles SM-6 and far-range MK 15 (for exo-atmospheric SM-16 intercoms and long-range anti-ballistic missiles SM-41 and M-45) missiles SM-3.) As you can see, with a slightly larger (by 8-141%) displacement of Spanish frigates, the total their UHPU Mk 53 ammunition set (32 cells used for rockets and 25 cells for loading device), as well as 162 inclined TPK Mk 15 for “Harpoons” reaches 41 of the main types of missiles (“Standards”, “Asroki” and “Harpoons”), While the “admiral frigates" have only 90. However, after installing the Mk XNUMX transport-launch containers for self-defense RIM-XNUMXA self-defense missiles at least in the XNUMX Mk XNUMX cells available on the Alvaro de Bazan, the total number of missiles can compile XNUMX units; and with a noticeable declination of the ratio in the direction of anti-aircraft missile weapons.

We will return to the consideration of promising Chinese squadron destroyers of Type 055 missile control. Considering their planned full displacement in 12300 tons, the 055 project is much more logical to rank not as a destroyer class, but as a multi-purpose missile cruiser. The arsenal of weapons of these ships is very impressive: in the photographs of the preparation for launching the first pair of EMs, the 055 Type, it is clearly seen that the ammunition set of numerous types of missiles is housed in the 64 transport-launch "glasses" of the bow modular universal launcher, and also 48 similar fodder launchers installations, which in the amount of 2,33 is more than the number of our frigates of the 22350 “Admiral Gorshkov” project (taking into account the TLU of the Redut complex on 32 cells and 16 cells of the impact complex UKSC). Naturally, the Admiral Gorshkov class SC anti-aircraft ammunition can be increased exactly 4 times thanks to the introduction of the 9М100 short-range self-defense anti-aircraft missiles, but the Type 055 has a similar trump card comparable to the American R4-162 development report, which has been used by a similar development report of the RIM-10, has a similar figure, a similar value to the US-based RIM-XNUMX development report, a similar development report, a RIM-XNUMX, has a similar response level, a similar to the US-based RIM-XNUMX anti-detachment unit, there was a similar response rate from a RIM-XNUMX development report that was used by a report’s rant-10 We are talking about the DK-XNUMXA medium-range guided missile, originally intended for use as part of the Chinese Sky Dragon ground-to-air missile system.

The product is developed on the basis of a PL-12 air-to-air guided missile and, unlike the existing version of the RIM-162A ESSM missile with a semi-active RGSN, is equipped with an active radar seeker of the 9B1348 type (it is the basis for guidance of the Russian URV P-77 radar) when reflected a massive anti-ship strike makes it possible to unload the bandwidth of 4's multichannel AFAR-X-band radar installed in the upper pyramidal ship superstructure as well as to unload the operator terminals This combat information and control system of the type H / ZBJ-1, which is positioned as an analogue of the USE "Aegis". The tasks of targeting for anti-aircraft missiles DK-10A may be employed as the above centimeter radar tracking and illumination on an upper pyramidal superstructure and 4-sided UHF review AFAR, radar and tracking Type 346B, which is analogous to the American radar complexes AN / SPY-1A / D (V), placed on the cruisers "Ticonderoga" and "Arley Burke". Meanwhile, according to information from Chinese sources, the main advantage of the Type 346B and the new 4-sided centimeter antenna post before the RL-architecture of the American Aegis is the use of gallium nitride-based receiving and transmitting modules, which are the Raytheon and General Dynamics is just beginning to use the first prototypes of the advanced AMDR radar complex, which will be placed on new versions of the Arleigh Burke Flight III EM.

Developed with the close support of Russian specialists, the DK-10A is equipped with a “high-torque” and “long-playing” dual-mode solid-fuel rocket engine that provides airspeed ranging from 3,5 to 4,5M, a range of 50 km and decent energy performance to perform maneuvers when intercepting a target at distances close to to extreme frontiers of action. The design of the rocket is designed for overload in 38G, which is comparable with the RIM-162ESSM. The 50 055 ZK DK-200A 10 80 4 48 160 XNUMX XNUMX XNUMX XNUMX XNUMX XNUMX Squadron XNUMX squadrons (XNUMX units) of the “Super Horns” can also be reflected, and there are only 16 existing patterns in the drawing, and there are only 16 existing patterns in the rest of the file, and there are only 16 existing patterns in the drawing, and there are only 16 existing patterns that the rest of the Super Horns, and the rest of the characters are the same, and there is a rest, there are only 16 hrs, and there are only 16 hrs in the drawing, and there are only 16 hrs in the drawing, and there are only 16 hrs in the drawing, and there are only 16 hrs in the drawing, and there are only 16 hrs in the drawing, and there are only 16 hrs in the drawing; or LRASM.

As we noted earlier, our 22350 Admiral Gorshkov frigates also have 9М100 self-defense missile systems, but their range in 15 km (unlike KNUMX km from DK-50A) does not allow working with anti-ship missiles, which have already been released due to 10-27-kilometer radio horizon and sent to the defended ship. Reduta operators will either have to wait for the 30-kilometer approach, or attack some targets with expensive 15М9ДМ, which are designed to intercept super-maneuverable high-altitude ballistic objects and high-speed elements of the enemy’s precision weapons. A very interesting detail is the control system 96М9. Most analytical sources in the Russian Internet space have not reached a common opinion on this difficult issue. The defense ministry and the developer of this information are also in no hurry to make public.


The DK-10A medium-range anti-aircraft guided missile (left) is adapted for use from the universal modular vertical PU of Chinese EM Type 052D and Type 055


Some declare inertial targeting with radio correction and additional ICGSN, others speak of ARGSN and radio correction. Nevertheless, having carefully studied the 9M100 model in the exposition of the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2017, as well as photographs of the missiles launched from the TLU “Redoubt” during the tests, the infrared-guided version immediately comes to the last plan, it is also hard to believe in ARGSN. On the face, an analogue of short-range missiles 9М331 of the “Tor-М1” complex with a radio command guidance system using the Polyment multifunctional radar complex. On the "Torahs", this principle proved to be excellent, but when repelling the "star raid" of anti-ship and anti-radar missiles from several directions at once, there will be noticeable shortcomings of radio command guidance.

In particular, the number of simultaneously fired targets will not exceed the target channel of the Polymer radar (16 targets, 4 units per antenna array), and this is not so much if we consider the situation from the point of view of the enemy’s huge WTO nomenclature on modern network centric theater. The number of Chinese DK-10A missiles with ARGSN or those at the final stage of development of RIM-162B ESSM Block II (for the American fleet) launched on enemy sites will be equivalent to the onboard CICS capacity (22 units for Ijisa and more for China’s H / ZBJ-1X). At the same time, such a channel can be achieved in one rocket-hazardous sector, while one or two Polymer antenna cans can direct 9М100 only to 4 and 8 targets in a narrow sector, respectively. This is one of the visible drawbacks of using the 9М100 missile defense system in repelling massive attacks, which can be partially compensated by using the Palash anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems.

At the end of our review, I would like to draw attention to the capabilities of our shipborne anti-aircraft missile systems to create long-range endoatmospheric and exoatmospheric “missile defense umbrellas”. The situation here is extremely ambiguous and today has a hazy future. It is known that these functions (as applied to the endoatmospheric site at altitudes up to 35 km) are supposed to be assigned only to the Redut complexes installed on corvettes of 20380 Ave, frigates of 22350 Ave. and the modernized heavy nuclear missile cruiser of 1144.2 Ave. Admiral Nakhimov. The fulfillment of this task is still possible only by the 9М96DM anti-aircraft missiles with a range of up to 130-150 km, the possibility of self-targeting by ARGSN (no load on the carrier's BIOS) on the final leg of the flight, as well as the ability to hit a small-sized maneuvering target at the height of 35 km direct hit due to the use of transverse-controlled gas-dynamic engines. All anything, but about successful test interception of air targets by means of 9М96ДМ at the extreme ranges from the sides of the ships of the above projects, nothing is reported.

Thus, according to Izvestia, with reference to an unnamed representative of the Air Forces Commander-in-Chief, who oversaw the 9М96DM and 9М100 reception activities in 2013, it was clear that the guidance of the above-mentioned types of anti-aircraft missiles to the level of operational readiness was noticeably slowing down, and this is causing the tool to notice the missile to the level of operational combat readiness noticeably slips, and this causes the tool to make the signal more effective. the delay in updating the ammunition of the Triumph C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, the adoption of the Vityaz advanced C-350 complex, and, of course, the Redut ship complex. For example, until today, the Triumph C-400 air regiments, which are transferred to units of the Aerospace Forces in the 4-s military districts of Russia, have not yet noticed the presence of 5PXNXNXX launchers shortened building block from TPK for anti-aircraft missiles 85М2ДМ, and this already suggests some considerations. Ever since 48, the problem of the steady acquisition of airborne targets of active radar seeker 6М9 has been reported; and whether this problem is not solved today is not yet known.

On Chinese destroyers types 052C / D, as well as 055 as a long-range interceptor used heavy 4,5-primaries and highly maneuverable anti-aircraft guided missiles HQ-9A c actions 200 km range and advanced HQ-9B c expanded to 300 km range and up to 5,5 - 6M by speed. As constructive counterparts of the 48H6Е2 / 3 SAMs, the products performed well in numerous tests over the waters of the South China and East China Seas. According to Chinese resources, in order to improve noise immunity, an infrared sensor was installed in the HQ-9B guidance system, in addition to PARGSN, placed under a specialized opto-transparent window on the side of the missile body (closer to the nose). Meanwhile, in spite of high performance and allowable overloads during interception, neither HQ-9A nor HQ-9B are capable of destroying targets with a hit-to-kill kinetic defeat (like 9М96DM), since the transverse control engines have these products not.

But the Chinese decided not to stop there. So, May 17, a well-known information military-technical resource nevskii-bastion.ru (“Nevsky Bastion”), citing Chinese sources, announces the passing of full-scale tests of the exo-atmospheric interceptor HQ-26 “Hunzi-26” from ground-based PU and experimental ship. The product is a powerful accelerating solid-fuel stage with an OVT system according to the Mk72 stage of the RIM-161A / B intercept missiles, as well as an exo-atmospheric interception stage, equipped with several dozen gas-dynamic DPU located at the center of the masses of the stage according to the ZUR 9X96NMHNTMTNMHNMNHNTMNHMNHNTMTN.XMNNXXMNNXXNMXNMXNMXNMXNXTMXNXXXNMXNXXNMXNXMNMXNXMNMXMNMXNMXNMXMXNMXMNMXMTMNMXMNMXRTMNMXNMXNMXTM. as well as the Mk 2 interceptor of the American SM-30 rocket. Combat steps HQ-142 are equipped with highly sensitive ICGSN and, according to some data, in the near future they will be able to destroy MRBM at altitudes of about 3 km, as well as strike small-sized warheads after their breeding. It is supposed to place "Huntsi-26" in transport-launch glasses, as HQ-400A / B, and also DK-26A.

In the Russian Navy, the situation with the embodiment of the anti-missile interceptor intercept in the iron of the anti-missile component is very vague. For example, if before the upgrade of the “Admiral Nakhimov” armament complexes it was rumored that the 1144.2 Ave could be upgraded with the newest C-500 air defense systems using 77H6 exoatmospheric anti-missiles (presumably) to destroy the BR at altitude 200 km and with speeds up to X XNXX with speeds up to X XNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXY XU of X-9Cs of the X-NUMX. h, then later, unfortunately, the dreams of amateurs were debunked by the installation data of the same “Reduce”. As for the ship’s version of the "500th", the closest project in which our fleet can receive the ability to form "umbrellas" of a strategic missile defense system is the heavy nuclear destroyer of the 25200 Avenue Leader. But all this is still written with pitchforks on the water. After all, it is necessary to finally prepare a new covered slipway of the Severny Shipyard with 23560 slipways, place orders at the Sevmash and Baltiysky Zavod shipyards, plus prepare their capacities. And the increasingly complicated geostrategic situation, which has approached the verge of regional conflicts, can prepare a number of unforeseen economic “surprises”, especially for such a capital-intensive project as a series of Leader-class atomic destroyers.

Information sources:
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=20578
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=20581
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/055-china/
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201801101906-rqb9.htm
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/schtil-1/schtil-1.shtml
https://ria.ru/arms/20180111/1512437211.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/paams/paams.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/standard_2/standard_2.shtml
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  1. +13
    21 May 2018 06: 44
    As for the ship’s version of “Five hundredth,” the next project, in which our fleet can get the ability to form “umbrellas” of a strategic missile defense, is a heavy nuclear destroyer, project 23560 “Leader”. But all this is still written with a pitchfork on water
    not only is it written with a pitchfork even in the case of the start of construction, its end is beyond the horizon ... for 7 years we have been building SKRs. it’s probably easier for every destroyer of a potential enemy to make their own “dagger” and upgrade MiG-31 carriers.
    1. +15
      21 May 2018 08: 13
      It’s all done! belay Custom article, however. winked
      1. +4
        21 May 2018 21: 54
        Quote: siberalt
        It’s all done! belay Custom article, however. winked

        Yeah. experts instead of experts, analytics instead of analysts. The author’s claims particularly smiled that 24 anti-aircraft missiles would not be enough to repel a massive missile attack. The author probably assumes that for each naval target a probable enemy will allocate an outfit of fifty RCC. Only, as it is not surprising, but the enemy also has a limited number of anti-ship missiles, no matter how wide their nomenclature is. For the destruction of “Kuzi” or TARK “Peter the Great” the enemy is possible and will allocate an outfit in the 5-6 anti-ship missiles, for ships with a smaller displacement, a maximum of two three. In any case, there can be no talk of dozens of attackers of one RCC target. And, for two, three and even five attacking anti-ship missiles, the 24 units of our anti-aircraft missile defense will be more than enough. IMHO
      2. +3
        22 May 2018 09: 22
        He said many times that we have a continental country, not a sea one. The Navy (in its surface part) is funded on a residual basis. The primary task of our state is to protect land. The maritime zone is secondary. We build surface ships, therefore, in the coastal version, so that they go under the umbrella of the coastal missile defense. Here the submarine fleet is a component of the nuclear triad, they do not save on it. The same applies to promising aircraft carriers - THERE WILL NOT BE THEM either in the short or medium term.
      3. +2
        23 May 2018 13: 42
        I agree with you Colleague. This is either intentional lies, or the complete incompetence of the author.
        Air defense of the middle, far and near zones are dumped into one boiler, from here "extra" locators appear and a splash of imagination raged with incompetence!
        1. +1
          23 May 2018 22: 23
          Even I am a purely civilian person, far from air defense and missile defense, the article is saturated with bullshit, well write - rely on the facts! But read the wiki big mind is not necessary, learn the letters and learn to read! Thanks to such articles, the site has become a ...... ...... about. During this time, I only learned to recognize the reincarnation of Meehan and that's it. Really did not read well. am
      4. 0
        24 May 2018 12: 23
        Well, if you do not know how to read and think, then yes.
    2. +3
      21 May 2018 11: 23
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      it’s probably easier for every destroyer of a potential enemy to make their own “dagger” and upgrade MiG-31 carriers.

      It was along this path that they went .. But I don’t believe in the tales about intercepting ICBMs and modern anti-ship missiles from the word at all .. During the exercises, the ships are saved only by the inert part of the warheads, otherwise it would be very sad for the ships ...
      1. 0
        22 May 2018 12: 17
        Good afternoon, my young Friend! Alas, "only the inert part of the warhead" does NOT save ships in the exercises ?! You, in your youth, may not know about the death of the best RTO “Monsoon” KTOF in 1987 ?! And I, unfortunately, was a witness to that sad event!
        1. 0
          22 May 2018 12: 18
          With regards to Articles - I liked it! Especially in the "construction" part ?! Good luck everyone!
        2. +1
          23 May 2018 15: 42
          Quote: KudrevKN
          Good afternoon, my young Friend! Alas, "only the inert part of the warhead" does NOT save ships in the exercises ?! You, in your youth, may not know about the death of the best RTO “Monsoon” KTOF in 1987 ?! And I, unfortunately, was a witness to that sad event!

          Well, all the same, an MRK (700t) is not a destroyer for him and the inert part was enough, and they got "unsuccessful" .. And so in the net there are a lot of videos and photos where the RCC penetrates through the ship’s add-ons with minimal damage, if there was a warhead everything would be very sad ..
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  2. +18
    21 May 2018 07: 28
    that this author’s article is not a failure everywhere !!! just some kind of adherent of the west
    1. 0
      21 May 2018 21: 56
      Quote: maxxavto
      that this author’s article is not a failure everywhere !!! just some kind of adherent of the west

      Alarmist, in a word ...
    2. +1
      24 May 2018 12: 24
      And what is he specifically wrong about?
      1. 0
        24 May 2018 17: 40
        Cyril, the author, apparently, is wrong in telling the truth. Well, our people do not like the truth, what can we do here. Now we all will throw his hats together amicably, we will fix the stigma of a “provocateur-all-tramp” behind him, accuse him of working for the Security Service of Ukraine, and then we will go to watch Uncle Kiselyov on TV. Kiselyov is good, smart, patriotic. He will reassure us with his "Absolutely" and "Coincidence? I do not think so."
        PS: Well there, the deadline for the delivery of the head frigate Admiral Gorshkov will be postponed again this year for a year, right? You can’t break old traditions good
  3. +11
    21 May 2018 07: 34
    On the first sentence, I immediately understood Damantsev, a man who knows everything and everything and why is still not in the government?)))
    1. +8
      21 May 2018 07: 43
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      On the first sentence, I immediately understood Damantsev, a man who knows everything and everything and why is still not in the government?)))

      Well, there are no others on the site ... where are we going to fall for all of the "places" in the government? smile
      1. +3
        21 May 2018 08: 30
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        well, there are no others on the site ... where on us all the "places" in the government are plucked

        It is necessary to organize an open government on the site, to announce the staff and all users of the site who want to become a minister or deputy, and if someone swings it, then the prime minister himself (if there are ten or more of them in the chair, it’s okay, the virtual chair will not crack) let them write down decrees and draft laws for themselves, you see, maybe something sensible will reach the current government, although it is unlikely.
        1. +1
          21 May 2018 12: 41
          Are you kidding me? but the offer is very businesslike.
          1. 0
            21 May 2018 12: 58
            Quote: tlSver4-KL (tat)
            Are you kidding me? but the offer is very businesslike.

            Well, yes, I was joking, although I understand that something very interesting and comprehensive for the executive branch could come out of this. Regards, Yuri.
        2. +2
          21 May 2018 18: 05
          Unfortunately, generals always prepare for the past war. sad
      2. +1
        21 May 2018 10: 11
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        where on us all "places" in the government to attack?

        Why "stock up" ?? Just move someone off the bench and voila! fellow . I’ll go to the ministers of finance (I’m harder to spoil. Anyway, I won’t be able to eat anything there, even if I wanted to ...), but I’ll be a deputy. I agree? wink But only a condition: we issue offshores for you ... feel
        Hi, Pence! drinks
    2. +6
      21 May 2018 08: 19
      One old-regime (still tsarist) professor did not set more than three students in the labor faculty. And to their question about it, he reasonably replied that only he knew four subjects, and God knew five. winked
      It turns out that the author of Damantsev imagined himself to be supreme. And it is now valued higher than popcorn or chips with the smell of crabs. lol
      1. +1
        21 May 2018 12: 44
        In vain, dear. People give their lives (!), Just in Grozny ...
    3. +1
      21 May 2018 09: 27
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      On the first sentence, I immediately understood Damantsev, a man who knows everything and everything and why is still not in the government?)))

      Where is Medvedev? Articles to write? See here the material about the demand for those who know in the USSR and Russia, maybe it’ll “catch” ...
      https://www.perunica.ru/nauka/9524-kak-russkiy-iz
      obretatel-budennyy-anatoliy-pavlovich-stal-nischi
      m-intervyu-budennogo.html
  4. +5
    21 May 2018 07: 43
    The main performance characteristics of the patrol ship pr.1135 (Burevestnik): Displacement: standard 2810 full 3200 tons and standard displacement of frigates Alvaro de Basan - 4500 tons, total displacement reaches 5800 tons (in the future, taking into account modernization - up to 6250 tons). the article talks about the difference in displacement of only 15 percent and we will compare their characteristics !!! climbed into the wiki and well see a difference of 30 percent or more !!! it seems to me that the author constantly and consciously juggles the facts in all articles
  5. +13
    21 May 2018 07: 59
    The article is very, very good !! To the author - "Respect" (+). Although, with something I would like to argue ..... But more on that later.
    Still, the Navy is a very "expensive pleasure" ... But the RF today, whatever one may say, is still not the USSR of the 70s model (opportunities not the ones!). So you have to "stretch the legs on the clothes." The emphasis is nevertheless placed, first of all, on the program of "strategic containment" (and here the successes are obvious!). But to the fleet - alas !!
    Well and still - nevertheless we DO NOT KNOW a lot of things !!! Recall, at least, the “bursting information bomb” with the latest strategic means: if about “Vanguard”, some information nevertheless slipped through, about “Zircon” - also someone somewhere somewhere heard something ...... That information about the "Dagger" (which is already on "experimental duty" and the flying KR with nuclear engine (!!!) - it was FULL SHOCK!!!! And therefore, we can conclude - "classify" and "blow smoke" - have NOT forgotten how to draw conclusions yet what is happening at the training grounds and in the bowels of the design bureau is extremely, very difficult !! And draw conclusions about "failure"- it seems to me EXTREMELY prematurely!!!
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 10: 25
      I completely agree. +
      I can assure you that military and civilian leaders of a high level are not fools at all. Of course there are problems and they see them perfectly. Another thing is the ability to solve these problems.
  6. +9
    21 May 2018 08: 04
    It is written a lot, read in the morning hard. The general message - everything was gone. I just don’t understand - we have an ocean fleet, controls everyone? But will it cope with all in the current balance of power? And in Antarctica? They say that Moscow was not immediately built. Systemically, Russia is a continental country, it does not carry its goods by the seas like China, it does not crawl into all conflicts like the United States - to blow up its cheeks and compete with everyone. One cruiser can and will receive its missile defense. Priorities can be seen already put down. The land part of this anti-aircraft defense seems to be. And it seems that the leadership is not being conducted on the carrots of new star wars. That's right for me.
    1. 0
      21 May 2018 16: 33
      It is absolutely true - the Russian Federation is a continental country and all the important objects within the territory because it is logical to carry out air defense missile defense by ground means such as land complexes and aviation.
  7. +3
    21 May 2018 10: 17
    Good article. But it does not reflect what all this coincidence:
    1. Lack of personnel in management. I worked in a company where all the best managers were absorbed. Then, at the implementation stage, they sent an “old woman” from the USA, as it seemed to me she didn’t do anything, or did little, and paid her $ 2000 a day. After 2 years, they successfully implemented it and the contract was not renewed, and so all the work began to fall apart, which is possible and impossible, it seemed that the roof would collapse. So I realized how different the level of management is - it's like comparing Ronaldo with a schoolboy when playing football. And this is the best assembled in Russia for us, that for others this is just a nightmare. Our universities produce only "worthless sellers"
    2. ZP engineer specialist 12t rub - the best go abroad, with such specialists they made a "bastion" - Do you think they are capable of "breakthrough developments"?
    3. "Defense" lives in a parallel world, no competition of thought, quiet and smooth, and only competition kickbacks
    1. +7
      21 May 2018 11: 45
      Engineers do not receive 12 thousand rubles if they work in the defense industry. Potato marketer gets more. Such salaries are only in rural schools for teachers. I live in a small town and I know that my friend, working as a watchman in a garage, gets more. I agree that the engineer gets thirty and this is also very small for a young family. But this is closer to the truth. In addition, I know that over the past 30 years, the United States has placed all industry in Southeast Asia and has lost its average engineering composition. Now they can do nothing more difficult than a refrigerator. And their schools have long surpassed ours. They are taught comics there. Of these, even sold are not obtained. The result was recently announced. They launched 105 Axes in Syria. Our modestly admitted that they shot down 40 pieces. Not too lazy and counted. Found 22 funnels. Where did the rest of the rockets go? Those who sold them knew. And your super-smart American managers can not solve engineering problems. So no need la la! There is a lot of shit everywhere both with us and with us.
      1. 0
        21 May 2018 12: 13
        Quote: indifferent
        In addition, I know that over the past 30 years, the United States has placed all industry in Southeast Asia and has lost its average engineering composition.

        I agree with salaries, but I don’t agree with that. They have engineers and products that any Yu.V. Asia, because they know how to give birth to advanced technologies, but they are reluctant to share them. And to discard industrial consumer goods, why not, if it brings them profit.
      2. +1
        21 May 2018 13: 03
        1. I only tell from personal experience.
        2. You tell, from words. And I with this "old woman" plowed for 2 years, other managers and architects from other countries also came. What is more, managers from the USA differed from others, including in size (it may have coincided, but they were all pitching). I will say from experience that I don’t know whether education in the USA is better, or if they absorb mother’s milk, but the level is more than different. I no longer wonder why they can all be brought to the end.
        3. 12 thousand is the official salary of an engineer, my friend, who developed the bastion. Together with the envelope he received less than 30. Leading specialists received a little more. But the authorities received many times more, and even tens of times.
        1. 0
          22 May 2018 05: 59
          for the very smart I’ll explain, 12 t is a salary, but what you call an envelope is grants .... I say again, young specialists get more, but purely engineers 50-55 .. and it’s not there an acquaintance of mine receives it every month and brings home fat ... I’m all relatives, acquaintances and friends who work or worked there, I myself worked there until recently, so don’t bear the blizzard ... about education and science- the results of the 90s are terrible, but recently the situation has drastically improved ... and about the Soviet era, in the 87th, they were for the American Zababakhin readings were conducted (nuclear physics), to begin with, nuclear physicists have a technical language ... Russian, because there or ours, those who went over the hill or the Chinese, who studied with us, so they opened up outdated research and development and the hostages were shocked, according to their estimates, in theory they were lagging behind at that time -40 years, and practical -20. after these readings, they began to pay pensions in currency to our old people, just so that they would not go abroad ... by the way, we stopped the tests precisely because we just didn’t NEED that computers simulated everything in case of mini-explosions
      3. +2
        21 May 2018 19: 17
        I don’t want to answer the previous speaker, because this is utter nonsense, but your figures are far from the truth .. at least we have 35 young specialists in engineering positions, ordinary engineers are designers 50-55 (wife in this position), leading specialists 70-80, the head of the group 100-120 ... I won’t get any further
      4. +2
        21 May 2018 21: 01
        It's funny to read simply. I have several friends who moved to the United States, I myself worked with an American company for a long time. The level of education in the United States is much higher than in the CIS countries. In principle, the level of all state. institutions there are a cut above in all aspects.
        Of course, they also have their own problems, but between the USA and Russia there is simply a gap in the standard of living and development of the whole country.
        1. 0
          22 May 2018 18: 44
          It's funny to read simply. I have several friends who moved to the United States, I myself worked with an American company for a long time. The level of education in the United States is much higher than in the CIS countries. In principle, the level of all state. institutions there are a cut above in all aspects.
          Of course, they also have their own problems, but between the USA and Russia there is simply a gap in the standard of living and development of the whole country.


          Really funny to read laughing
          Is there a level in the USA?
          Yes, you are a troll, my friend! laughing

          1. 0
            23 May 2018 10: 05
            In the United States, the standard of living is indeed much higher. I asked the "old woman" if there is a difference between Russia (she was in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Suzdal) and the USA, she answered the standard of living is very different, I tried to troll her and asked where better, but she did not understand the joke. Friends there were still confirming (giving birth) prices, brands that cost thousands in Moscow, it is fashionable to buy less than 100 on stocks. And an engineer’s salary is 10 or more times higher.
            1. 0
              28 May 2018 09: 44
              Yeah, the old woman, too, overwhelmed me.
              what, they say, tv @ ry I'm trembling, or an old lady a statistican analyte laughing
    2. 0
      21 May 2018 13: 44
      Quote: Imobile
      After 2 years, they successfully implemented it and the contract was not renewed, and so all the work began to fall apart, which is possible and impossible, it seemed that the roof would collapse.

      Understood nothing. Whoever introduced it, who stood on whom ...
  8. +5
    21 May 2018 11: 30
    "The mustache is gone, chief. The plaster is removed, the client leaves ..." (c)
    Not everything is as bad as it is written.
  9. +6
    21 May 2018 11: 30
    As can be seen from the article, the author offers us to start a race of the most expensive naval weapons with the whole world at once. This was only possible for England, and even then, in past centuries. It remains to tear and die! Either the article is custom-made, or the author is not strong in accounting! It has long been said that we will not pull the arms race even with NATO. Yes, and do not need this. It is time to withdraw from all the agreements with the amers, as they do it themselves, and to do strategists with Yars and BZHRK, who successfully bury our liberal government. When starting from the territory of western and eastern Siberia, no Aegis will get them. And maneuvering on the final part of the head will finish the job. If you gouge all the bases of the fleet, I would look where these “Airlie Burke” will be returning, to replenish ammunition, kerosene and everything else. And on the oars it’s not very much and you’ll be on the edge! This is much cheaper than cooking hundreds of boats of 7000 tons of displacement and infrastructure for them. . And where do we get people to them? Women no longer give birth. Marshal Zhukov’s testament was no longer fulfilled. Even the territory that is there will soon become depopulated. For us, war is possible only one. Where we will either defeat everyone or the whole civilization will go to pieces together with the LGBT community. Only the Papuans will remain on the far islands, slightly sprinkled with ashes from members of these communities ..
    1. +3
      21 May 2018 16: 17
      Quote: indifferent
      Women no longer give birth. Marshal Zhukov’s testament was no longer fulfilled.


      The phrase "women still give birth" turned out to be a historical myth

      www.politonline.ru/provocation/22882876.html
  10. +3
    21 May 2018 11: 39
    Interestingly, what is “sworn friends” behind air defense? Like the one in Riyadh for its own hammering?
    So our "Armor-M", with new missiles create a reliable umbrella with a radius of 60 km. In any case, before the enemy has hypersonic missiles.
  11. +11
    21 May 2018 11: 49
    Article is complete nonsense! Russia does not need a large fleet, as this is a huge waste. Anyway, even if the whole country will work for the fleet alone, it is impossible to create a fleet equal to the fleet of the United States and Britain. In addition, due to geographical and climatic conditions, we simply have nowhere to deploy a large fleet. The Baltic and Black Sea are falling away; these puddles are not for the ocean fleet. On the Pacific coast, the entire coast freezes, except for Avacha Bay, in the Arctic Arctic the same situation: a tiny section of the coast of the Murmansk region does not freeze. By virtue of this, the fleet of enemy countries is not dangerous for Russia, one can recall the Crimean War, when France and Britain, the two strongest superpowers of that time, whose fleets were the strongest in the world, could not use their fleet anywhere, and even fought in Crimea the infantry, not the fleet, and the fleets of these countries were idle idle. As a result, France and Britain achieved almost nothing in this war, but only disgraced. First of all, Russia needs to develop the army, and not play the fleet like children. As the experience of the two World Wars showed, the fleet of Russia / USSR was idle, simply wasting resources, as a result, in the First World, sailors who were shackled from idleness started to riot, and in the Second World War they made infantry out of sailors and used them as ordinary infantrymen.
    1. +4
      21 May 2018 14: 33
      .... Russia does not need a large fleet, as this is a huge waste. ... 13 The world economy cannot have a large fleet ... Russia's GDP is 1.4 trillion dollars. against 21 trillion dollars. China .. Here and build boats ...
      1. 0
        21 May 2018 14: 37
        That's why the article is nonsense. Russia needs to develop an army, not a fleet. As the experience of the wars of previous years shows, it was the ARMY that decided the outcome of the war, and the fleet dangled somewhere nearby ...
    2. +2
      21 May 2018 16: 29
      Well, given that the Russian Federation is the largest country in the world in terms of territory, it is the land forces and aviation that need to be developed, the fleet should be built on the principle of the USSR, that is, effective minimalism - these are multipurpose nuclear submarines and many small ships such as watchdogs to control coastal waters.
      The American Navy is a projection of force to capture new colonies and nothing more - all the post-war time (with the Second World War), Americans are doing just that. If the Russian Federation wants to engage in the seizure of territories on other continents, then of course a fleet similar to the United States is needed - but mine has a different doctrine. But opposing this fleet needs much less effort - enough nuclear submarines and aircraft.
      1. +1
        22 May 2018 02: 26
        For a passive foreign policy - minimalism is enough, I agree.
        And if Russia wants to be a power, not even a great one, but a regional one - the fleet should act as a projection of its strength and implement interests. You won’t spend much boat (.
        So far, the reality is that nothing larger than 1 tons can be built rhythmically and quickly by Russia, alas.
        1. -1
          22 May 2018 23: 18
          The strength of the economy should be increased then there will be something to project, and in the near zone of the order of a couple of miles of km, small ships and naval aviation will be able to cope with combat missions.
          The regional leader of the Russian Federation cannot simply be based on their territorial sizes - the Russian Federation is a global leader and mind you, it controls its entire territory and the entire population that is on it.
          Again, let us return to the axiom - the Russian Federation is a continental power and all of its interests are distributed mostly by land. It is not worth reinventing the wheel - it was so and will be so. Oh, pinch off sweet pieces in different parts of the world yes I agree for this you must have teeth
    3. +1
      22 May 2018 16: 15
      Avacha Bay also freezes. Yes, how much! The ferry Avachinsky went to Rybachy from the city to us. Especially icebreaking type. And in winter, often stuck on the floor of the road. How many times you will go to the pier to the city to go, and he sticks out in the middle of the bay. Neither here nor there. If the icebreaker is free, it will break the road. And if you are busy at other jobs, you can wait the whole day and return with nothing. There was a case already in March, the boat returned from the autonomous region, but cannot enter the Avacha Bay. Solid hummocks. They sent 2 icebreakers - and without result. And their products ran out. So the whole operation was to deliver food by helicopter to the boat. Only two weeks later the wind changed and drove the ice out of the throat of the lip. Only then did the icebreaker lead the boat to the base.
  12. +5
    21 May 2018 12: 03
    Unsubscribe from the newsletter., Clear nonsense to discredit Russia. If such articles are the norm., Penny to you. Fu., I also patriots ...
    1. 0
      24 May 2018 17: 54
      And in your opinion, dear Larisa, such concepts as “adequate perception”, “non-neglect of facts”, “critical thinking” cannot be combined with “patriotism”, right? Or are they generally mutually exclusive concepts?
  13. +2
    21 May 2018 12: 05
    Quote: Imobile
    Good article. But it does not reflect what all this coincidence:
    1. Lack of personnel in management. I worked in a company where all the best managers were absorbed. Then, at the implementation stage, they sent an “old woman” from the USA, as it seemed to me she didn’t do anything, or did little, and paid her $ 2000 a day. After 2 years, they successfully implemented it and the contract was not renewed, and so all the work began to fall apart, which is possible and impossible, it seemed that the roof would collapse. So I realized how different the level of management is - it's like comparing Ronaldo with a schoolboy when playing football. And this is the best assembled in Russia for us, that for others this is just a nightmare. Our universities produce only "worthless sellers"
    2. ZP engineer specialist 12t rub - the best go abroad, with such specialists they made a "bastion" - Do you think they are capable of "breakthrough developments"?
    3. "Defense" lives in a parallel world, no competition of thought, quiet and smooth, and only competition kickbacks

    Your comment is nonsense ...
    1. +1
      21 May 2018 13: 10
      Your comment is nonsense ...
      My comment is fact
      1. 0
        21 May 2018 19: 24
        yes what fact then? the salaries you indicated are at the level of 2000-2002, I won’t even read the rest ... and regarding young specialists, for at least the last 5 years the level of graduates of technical universities has become much higher, because the state and, most importantly, the enterprise itself began to do this, so bring your rubbish in your kitchen ... for example, a nephew just got to our institute after a physical education degree, a post of junior research assistant .... by the way sn 60 t
        1. +3
          22 May 2018 02: 18
          Quote: Alekhanets
          As an example, a nephew just got to our institute after the Physics and Mathematics Department, to the post of junior research assistant .... by the way sn 60 t
          This institute is so fab fab?
        2. 0
          24 May 2018 17: 41
          the salary of a junior researcher on the tariff scale in St. Petersburg is 6 925,00, just a scientist 10 936,00, a senior researcher 11 490,00. Allowances, say? Not a fact and not at all. Grants? Prizes? - this is all today, tomorrow not. And not at all.

          I worked as a junior / just researcher, studying in graduate school. He had nothing but a salary. And a scholarship of 1500 p. And at the end - he left science to hell. And all my classmates, 90%, also left. There were those who fell over a hill or sit at 35 years old without families, living with their parents. A professor at a university receives, as a salesman, what you mean.
      2. +2
        21 May 2018 20: 07
        My comment is fact

        Among the "inflatable bridge" and "eat all the hedgehogs"?
        It makes no sense to lie so stupidly, anyone can look at vacancies in the same Almaz-Antey or Admiralteysky.
    2. 0
      21 May 2018 14: 41
      and, as a relatively rapid growth of industry at 1% ... for 25 years from 2 economies to 13th place ... it's just a fact at the moment ..
    3. 0
      21 May 2018 19: 34
      carefully read his post and .... realized, he’s the same “sold” about whom he writes people, for whom the manager’s position is a blue dream, and he is trying to write about an area in which he doesn’t understand anything ... let him go sells socks with bras, not talking about defense
      1. +2
        21 May 2018 20: 13
        ... let him sell socks with bras, and not talk about the defense industry

        E Alexey ...., you don’t understand.
        You yourself write "the position of manager, a blue dream."
        It’s good to sell, you also have to be able to - the times of scarcity have passed.
        And then everything is immediately visible, and you can talk about the defense industry without understanding anything for years.
        1. 0
          23 May 2018 10: 18
          Yes, if I were a "sold out", what does this cancel? ZP - this is 4 years ago, although, if you believe the above, now is not much better. And you know that in Russia there are no high-level Architects (if you know, let me know) - and this is a technical specialty (where we are, according to the patriot cheers, ahead of the rest of the planet), everyone left, and so I asked for one return (300 thousand euros a year) and this is the average. And the level of management is simply dramatically different at times. At the expense of training, the ex-wife and daughter went to Poland, so the level of training is much better, despite the fact that there was a very good school and my daughter even learned to speak English by 10 years old (plus tutors) which was unthinkable in my Soviet school (with when we graduated, no one could talk). In Poland, in that school, instruction is mainly in English.
  14. 0
    21 May 2018 12: 46
    Again, everything is gone. There is no fleet and never will be .....
  15. 0
    21 May 2018 13: 34
    Here the distant sea zone is what we most need ..... There is a slow but steady modernization of the army. Yes, the navy people will forgive me, but first you need to put things in order on land and plug all the holes and then restore the ocean fleet. (which in my opinion and do). Introduced ships are like a near sea. As an addition and support to the ground forces and a "long" arm. As the borders overlap qualitatively, so do the ocean fleet. Here it is also necessary to remember the price. It takes a lot, but determine what’s more necessary ... And the ships can go down and maybe not 1 per year but they build, they lay down to modernize.
  16. Mwg
    +3
    21 May 2018 13: 49
    Oh, it blew the end of the 80s, when everyone unanimously told us what our army is bad: poorly equipped, poorly trained and backward ....
  17. +2
    21 May 2018 15: 31
    It could be stated in short, "Everything is bad with us, everything is fine with them. The Internet will not lie." what
  18. +2
    21 May 2018 16: 07
    Incomprehensible tantrum. We lag behind the USA, lag behind China. Dear author, the economic opportunities are not comparable with the USA or China. If you chase after them, then this fleet will sink its own economy to the bottom.
  19. +3
    21 May 2018 16: 24
    I have not read more delirium. Since then, calibers have become strategic missiles and RTOs that have similar launch cells have become carriers of nuclear weapons - are you serious? There aren’t even any special communications equipment or the corresponding personnel in the crew.
    Regarding missile defense and all the rest of the nonsense - not one ship in the world will be able to withstand the massive impact of anti-ship missiles - both in terms of ammunition and if possible, to distribute and fire at targets. And no one is counting on frigates, destroyers, etc. to drown a trifle with a massive blow - a pair of three missiles will be enough with the head while using electronic warfare, this is guaranteed to destroy the target.
    Regarding missile defense with respect to ICBM interceptors - why we don’t have this and they have one - try to think with your brain - the big cities of the USA and China are located on the coast, there are also naval bases and logistics centers, etc., etc. Therefore, they will naturally take out the interception system in the ocean, in the Russian Federation, most of the important centers are located deep in the territory because it is obvious that the missile defense in the Russian Federation is provided by a ground-based grouping of funds - it was so and it will be so. The formation of missile defense using ships of the Russian Navy is utter nonsense and I hope no one has the mind to implement it.
    And regarding the fight against the enemy’s KR and so on - they will be drowned on the way - for this there are multipurpose nuclear submarines and naval aviation, etc. and so on.
    In short, the level of the article is high school - the characteristics from Wikipedia went up and read and came up with a plan for confronting weapons that the Russian Federation did not have and never will simply because the strategy is different)
  20. 0
    21 May 2018 17: 26
    I would think how to combine a gun and a missile. Like, to shoot the already-caliber "Nail" from the Shell shell with further control along the channel from the Shell.
  21. 0
    21 May 2018 17: 53
    more of these ships! to protect the borders of the oligarchs and their resources !!!!
    1. 0
      21 May 2018 17: 59
      do not feed her with bread and feed! just why now they began to think about comfort in technology)))
  22. +1
    21 May 2018 18: 43
    From the first paragraph I figured out who the author is.
    "Trouble !!! Almost everything is gone !!!" and then a bunch of technical details that poorly explain the first message of the article. The author’s main problem is that he gets into a bunch of little things (mostly technical), considering this an in-depth analysis, while no attempt has been made to actually analyze the capabilities of weapon systems as a whole.
    Kozma Prutkov's aphorism about a specialist is completely and completely suitable for the author.
  23. 0
    21 May 2018 18: 53
    And the question about the specialist is also a big question: everything is piled up, the characteristics of completely different things designed to solve completely different problems are compared .. In the style of: "why do we need a sniper rifle if the gun is more powerful and long-range ?!"
  24. 0
    21 May 2018 19: 55
    Too catchy title, and then many letters.
  25. 0
    21 May 2018 20: 29
    it's time to launch a rocket with a nuclear power plant and let it fly near the borders with the United States, either moving away, or approaching, so that they shit with a small tremor .....
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  26. 0
    21 May 2018 20: 59
    One moroman told how fleets are decrypted — BF — former fleet, Black Sea Fleet — fleet not fleet, Pacific Fleet — also fleet, SF — fleet itself! But the article minus the analysts nor any set of Internet publications overloaded with technical details if I had such an employee subordinate I would first make it very difficult to pull up the style of reading is difficult
  27. +1
    21 May 2018 21: 04
    For some reason, the mourners ... about the decline of our shipbuilding and fleet ... do not mention anywhere the fact ... that the icebreaker fleet with us ... is the largest ... well, yes ... these are not aircraft carriers and cruisers .. .but fewer aircraft carrier ... will sail across the Arctic Ocean ... but in general, in my opinion, no ... without the participation of an icebreaker.
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 22: 05
      Quote: Cheshire
      but few aircraft carriers ... will sail across the Arctic Ocean.

      Do they need it?
      1. +1
        21 May 2018 22: 35
        Zdrrraaaaste ... and what would the adversary be bombing than the Arctic? ... boots? ... or would he galoshes from the Atlantic?
        1. +1
          22 May 2018 06: 20
          Why bomb the Arctic?
          1. +1
            22 May 2018 08: 49
            So these are Americans.
            1. Dumb.
            2. Aggressive.
  28. 0
    21 May 2018 22: 47
    When I read about the interception of 1 (!), The Chinese destroyer 160 (!) Garpunov, that is, 80 f-18 with 2pcr each, that is, simultaneously hit 3 enemy augs (25 planes from each aircraft carrier) - the floor almost fell table! Author, what do you smoke? Share!
  29. +1
    21 May 2018 22: 49
    Another “fine” article, but one thing is not clear: where does all the tactical data come from? Is it possible that both “ours” and “yours” just so easily reveal all the secrets, and then someone, picking their nose, writes such opuses, raising fear for the average man. Now about the superiority of one or another: more than once we were convinced that our opponents always overestimate the performance of their weapons in order to sell them with profit. So that reality can only be established in combat conditions. What we can agree with is the fact that we are catastrophically short of warships, especially of the heavy class, and with those that have a serious battle, they can’t stand it. It may be worth putting a hat in a circle and raising funds for the construction of a real fleet, as our ancestors did. Only who in our country is capable of this?
    oleg chastov
  30. 0
    21 May 2018 22: 55
    Sorry, 48 f18)) But still the heat)
  31. +1
    22 May 2018 00: 13
    I didn’t even read this scribbler as soon as I read the surname it immediately became clear the article was crap like the scribbler himself. Zadalbal stupid fantasies. It would be better if the children composed a fairy tale, he’s a master at that. Where does this come from takes its data from its dumb head or something, a senile.
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  33. 0
    22 May 2018 17: 14
    In addition to this, our Navy will receive only ten ships this year, six of which are newly built with the most modern weapons and missile defense systems on board .. It was not worth picking out so much information and transferring it to paper just to convince oneself of weakness Of Russia. So in another article about the "Shell" damaged in Syria, an author similar to ours. claims that Israel is capable of destroying our equipment in batches, however, forgetting to report that the same "Shell" carries only 8-12 missiles and 1400 shells, and having fired without having previously worked out defense tactics is doomed and will not be destroyed if it were not part of the complex, even if it’s a loner "Triumph" .. Only he knows where the author gets the information from, but certainly not from the places where the might of the Russian Army is forged, and he probably won’t see the information from there like his own ears, and therefore let him continue to juggle calculations and figures until he turns blue. They will not have a relationship to reality when and even more so they will not be able to influence it. Netanyahu’s desire to stand next to Putin on May 9 of this year, in my opinion, does not at all indicate confidence in Israel’s superiority and the ability to deliver a crushing blow under the leadership of the United States, NATO and anyone ..
  34. 0
    23 May 2018 13: 06
    It is clear that each country has its own financial capabilities and decides which weapon is currently more profitable, taking into account the price.
    I have a question for the author, how much Russia needs to produce corvettes, cruisers and aircraft carriers to catch the west in 40 years? Do you seriously think that Russia intends to take off ship-to-ship at sea, without special charges?
    I think corvettes and frigates are needed to protect the border, a maximum for a war with 2-3 third-country countries, such as Ukraine and Georgia.
    I’m more interested in the question of how far the developments that Putin spoke about at the federal assembly have advanced, how many combat-ready missions and missiles to them have been worked out, whether tactics for using them on ships have been worked out, whether the general staff will decide to hit these daggers in Warsaw’s government quarters, (about the usual equipment) as a preventive measure and where is the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons.
    1. 0
      24 May 2018 20: 06
      It was repeatedly said here that the main task of the surface fleet was to ensure deployment at positions for the strike of our SSBNs. Well, in addition to this, there are all sorts of secondary ones, which one to go to Syria, look at friends for a light, drown pirates, etc. And for more or less to fulfill them a couple of corvettes and one frigate per year - the very minimum, and even that comes out ((.
      There are no MiG-31BK-Dagger combat-ready complexes yet, the experienced duty of one squadron. Experiencing, practicing. But why such a scarce weapon in Warsaw? There are Iskander and Caliber in the Baltic).
  35. 0
    25 May 2018 00: 51
    I periodically read your articles and zagregat, what would I say: learn to state complex things in simple language, because half of the terms are incomprehensible. Your information is not for specialists, graduates of military engineering institutes. Well, if you have articles written by ordinary journalists who simply analyze Old, that would throw dust in the eyes, and not the former military, then there's nothing to be done.
  36. VB
    0
    25 May 2018 15: 44
    Thanks to Putin for his excellent twenty-year work and concern for the Navy.
  37. 0
    27 May 2018 15: 28
    Nda! Evgeny Damantsev's articles are recognizable from the very first paragraphs. The mass of indices, a huge amount of performance characteristics, including those that are completely unnecessary in this article (in particular the performance characteristics of power plants), but the question is, how does this article relate to the heading Russian Navy is on the verge of failure in the global race of strategic naval anti-missile defense - completely incomprehensible. All that is now in the world, in the fleets, all this missile defense is designed to intercept operational-tactical missiles, and a maximum of medium-range missiles. Even the famous American Aegis complex, consisting of a whole bunch of Standart-type missiles, is not capable of intercepting intercontinental ballistic missiles. Only OTR and BRDS. A variant of its marine "Standart SM-2B", which would be able to intercept ICBMs and BB ICBMs in certain sections of the trajectory. They decided not to. Expensive, because I would have to redo all ships with this Aegis system

    Why then this heading? The author mentions one of the S-500 missiles - the 77N6 missile. But what it will be - so far no one knows. Even the far 40N6 is not yet part of the S-400 complex. There is no marine version of the S-400 complex, but Damantsev’s speech about the failure of the Russian Navy in the global race of strategic naval missile defense....
  38. -1
    22 May 2022 23: 10
    The author looked into the water. Many spoke negatively about the article. They called the author "all-propagator".
    4 years have passed... April 14, 2022 has come.
    What do you say now?

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