How FIFA and the championship do not give to bury the Soviet general

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The fact that the upcoming event, called the World Cup, has already brought a bunch of hemorrhoids to Russians, just lazy did not write. And we did not write, because it did not affect somehow.

But, alas, it has reached our townships. It will be a question of Voronezh, where at the present time at the level of special meetings of the city administration city governors are trying to solve the problem of what to do with Mordukh (Matvey) Borisovich Shankman.



Historical reference:

Schenkman, Matvey Borisovich, was born in 1895, in the Zhytomyr region, in a working-class family. A participant in the civil war at the beginning of the 1930-i worked as director of a sewing machine factory in Podolsk. In 1936, he was assigned to the Taganrog aircraft factory, where he worked until 1938.

In 1938, M.S. Shenkman was appointed director of the Voronezh Aviation Plant. It was under his leadership that the IL-2 production was mastered and put on stream, and at the end of 1941, the plant was relocated to the Samara region and again started the production of attack aircraft.

Shankman died on May 12, 1942 in aviation disaster.

In the Soviet very truthful film “Particularly Important Task”, filmed about Plant No. XXUMX, Shenkman was changed name and ditched him in the summer of 18 of the year, attributing his affairs to the production manager.

But the main character of that film was the director of the aircraft factory, who, under enemy fire, evacuated his plant to the east. This film was honest and truthful, and the prototype of director Mikhail Ivanovich Shadurov was Matvey Borisovich Shenkman. The image is written off from him.

In 2015, in the area of ​​the Old Man-Kamen mountain in the Sverdlovsk region, a tourist accidentally discovered aircraft wreckage ... The search engines of Nizhny Tagil entered the case, and in 2016, they found the Order of Lenin under the number 7319 in the crash site. It became clear to the order that it was a plane on which Shankman flew with a factory commission ...

How FIFA and the championship do not give to bury the Soviet general


In 2018, the work on the found remains was completed, and the question of burial arose.

And the difficulties began ...

Well, it’s difficult to determine exactly where the crew member is, where the passengers are. It is clear that 70 years in the earth after a disaster - this is serious.

It became clear that they would have to bury everyone at once. The question is where?

Of course, the first thing we are talking about Samara. On Aviakor there is a monument to Schenkman, but for some reason they refused to be buried. Then began the consideration of other options.

Voronezh ... Why not? Not the same negotiations with Ukraine, right?

And on May 25, representatives of the Sobol search party were supposed to arrive in Voronezh, in order to hand over the remains to the Voronezh colleagues for ceremonial burial.

The place is quite. Next to Major General Lizyukov. In one of the burial places of Soviet soldiers in Voronezh, near the monument of Glory.

But then on all plans hit the championship in football. With feet struck.

People who are in the football theme will say: where is the world championship, and where is Voronezh? All right And there is. But bad luck, one of the teams (Cameroon, if specifically) chose Voronezh as a training base ...

And here it is, the decree on enhanced security measures in connection with the football championship ...

Well, in the cities where the matches will actually take place, there, of course, I sympathize. It happens sooner or later.

But in Voronezh given, hiding behind this decree, EVERYTHING was banned for the duration of the championship. On the whole territory of the region.

And nothing, that point 5 decree strung owl on the globe. And, in fact, competition in the city is not expected. But already with the corresponding letter, endorsed by everyone (the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the administration), all those who could get into the field of the decree were introduced.

"... in the territories of the subjects where competitions are held, all public events not related to sporting events (meetings, rallies, demonstrations, processions and pickets) will be held only in coordination with local authorities or territorial bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB."

It is clear that nothing will be allowed to anyone. Well, really, what could be the excavations and searches, and even more so the folk festival (for example), if the national team of Cameroon trains in 150 (!!!) kilometers?

And even more so in the city ...

What funeral? What are the honors? Although there Netanyahu promised to come, even if not only on this occasion, there are still questions, but ...

And they all went wonderful plans. For example, to bury in the territory of VASO. Or offered their services from the Moscow Aviation Plant. Say, on our territory we are doing what we want, we will bury comrade Shankman as it should be.

In any case, this is better than an offer to bury everyone outside the city, in the village of Maslovka. And still at night. To these fifty Cameroonians and the rest, which are ours, were not disturbed by anything.

Indeed, no problems, right? Prikopali in the suburbs, and palms. The main thing is what? That's right, hold the championship.

Of course, if you really approach the issues of "security", well, what's there for two months? More than 70 for years, Major Major Shankman lay there. Can I wait?

Probably you can. And you can wait and bury at night behind the outskirts ...

But some strange sediment remains.
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  1. +15
    21 May 2018 14: 47
    yeah, nothing to say. The memory bounces already on May 10.
    1. +5
      21 May 2018 14: 58
      And so it happens ... and the grave overgrows with grass ... and dear forget you ...
    2. 0
      22 May 2018 13: 58
      ... and if there is no conscience, the face is lost, why remember this?
      1. +1
        24 May 2018 09: 00
        Who will live better from these ostentatious mundiales? The peacock also spreads its tail, but as it was a chicken, it remains so. winked
  2. +6
    21 May 2018 15: 01
    This is the whole price of Russian victory!
  3. +12
    21 May 2018 15: 53
    But it’s interesting, are there among ordinary people, not official fraternities and near-sports loafers, those who are happy with this champignon?
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 17: 26
      Quote: kakvastam
      But it’s interesting, are there among ordinary people, not official fraternities and near-sports loafers, those who are happy with this champignon?

      Our whole region is happy. Not only were the roads patched up, they also finally made the junction at the entrance to the regional center, removing many kilometers of traffic jams at the entrance to and from the city. From all the nearest districts of the region they go to work in the mornings. For the sake of this, we’ll endure the inconvenience with the arrival of “fanatics”. By the way, we have a “special” mode introduced from June 15 to August 15, that is, two months.
      1. +3
        22 May 2018 02: 33
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Not only were the roads patched up, they also finally made the roundabouts at the entrance to the regional center, removing many-kilometer traffic jams at the entrance to and from the city.
        Harshly. In order to repair roads (and that’s not all, only the main ones), it is necessary to conduct World Cup in the city. Without international championships and other events, in Russia, in principle, nothing is done. For the convenience of their own citizens do not care if only to show off before foreigners. Hand face.
    2. +1
      23 May 2018 11: 24
      the whole country of football fans is happy and you are sad and sad and live with this and on.
      1. +1
        23 May 2018 12: 39
        And where is this country, interesting? Sorry for her unfortunate inhabitants, infrequently joy falls to them.
        I have reasons to rejoice and without championships it happens, but this is something ...
  4. +24
    21 May 2018 15: 55
    So . The remains lay in the ground for 70 years. Then 3 years there were excavations. The World Cup is only a month away. And now, right now, suddenly, nose blood must be buried? When all the special services and law enforcement agencies are on their ears and are thrown to ensure the event. What prevents the burial in a month? Solemnly and with all that is due? What will change? And why it was impossible to do this a month or two ago? Did not know about the World Cup? What will be the increased security measures? belay
    Or then there would be no tearful article, similar to the Perestroika magazine "Twinkle"? In general, a strange stuffing.
    1. +2
      21 May 2018 16: 07
      A fresh dead, probably put in the fridges?
    2. +5
      21 May 2018 16: 07
      Quote: g1v2
      What prevents a burial in a month?

      and what prevents to carry out the burial now?
      Quote: g1v2
      What will change?

      and what will change in this case?
      Quote: g1v2
      The World Cup is only a month away.

      maybe close the hospital for the championship?
      Quote: g1v2
      What there will be increased security measures?

      how many employees of the IMB and FSB are allocated for a funeral? How many camcorders? What is the number of escort vehicles?
      1. +9
        21 May 2018 16: 55
        Increased security measures in connection with a world-class event interfere. In my opinion it is written. Any festive event can become a target and requires the allocation of funds for its conduct and security. Police and so enough is enough.
        Can you delay delivery? Are you probably Kashpirovsky? belay
        Contact the reception of the FSB or the press center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - there you will be sure to tell all the numbers that interest you. True, they might ask why they are interested in the Dutchman, who, as far as I remember, wrote recently under the flag of the Square. hi
        1. +1
          21 May 2018 18: 39
          Quote: g1v2
          Increased security measures in connection with a world-class event interfere.

          training base for 150 km from the city
          Quote: g1v2
          Any festive event can become a target and requires the allocation of funds for its conduct and security.

          so the wedding can be the target
          Quote: g1v2
          a Dutchman who, as far as I remember, wrote recently under the flag of an independent

          flags mean nothing. I can write under Chinese or Japanese. There are reasons for that. hi
          1. dSK
            +1
            21 May 2018 20: 34
            Quote: Silvestr
            flags mean nothing. I can write under Chinese or Japanese. There are reasons for that.

            Clear to bully nspiracy.s
    3. 0
      22 May 2018 12: 38
      Quote: g1v2
      And why it was impossible to do this a month or two ago?

      Well, let's bury people before they die. And then suddenly they will die during the championship?
  5. +3
    21 May 2018 16: 04
    And weddings - funerals will also be banned? Make such people pray, they will break their foreheads.
  6. +5
    21 May 2018 16: 07
    In 2018, the work on the found remains was completed, and the question of burial arose.
    belay
    Of course, the first thing we are talking about Samara. but for some reason refused to be buried

    request

    ,, may want to bury?
    1. dSK
      +2
      22 May 2018 01: 17
      Quote: bubalik
      to bury

      There is an obelisk, the costs are "cheap", invite living relatives. The reason for the education of patriotism. May 1942 - the time of the most difficult trials and how the funeral of Matvey Borisovich Shenkman, Lvov L.E. and the crew at that time - not for us to discuss.
      To create a second grave in another city is an occasion to ridicule the Jews.
    2. 0
      22 May 2018 18: 39
      Quote: bubalik
      maybe want to rebury?

      So is it an obelisk in Samara or where? Sorry, did not specify.
      (Ikebana bouquet is impressive).
  7. +3
    21 May 2018 17: 32
    "... in the territories of the subjects where competitions are held, all public events not related to sporting events (meetings, rallies, demonstrations, processions and pickets) will be held only in coordination with local authorities or territorial bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB."

    It is clear that nothing will be allowed to anyone.

    One minute, I didn’t understand - but did you try to get permission? And were refused?
    Or decided in advance that nothing will be allowed to anyone - and rushed to cry about this?
    1. +4
      21 May 2018 18: 55
      For some reason, the author did not mention at all that a grandson of Shankman was found. He will be given the Order of Lenin and it is up to him to decide where and how grandfather will be buried.

      https://gregorkon.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/shenkm
      an /
    2. 0
      22 May 2018 18: 37
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Or they decided in advance that they wouldn’t allow anything to anyone
      almost certainly.
      Negative emotions are much easier to evoke, and the path has long been beaten.
  8. +6
    21 May 2018 17: 49
    Of course, the first thing that came was about Samara. There is a monument to Shankman at Aviakor, but for some reason they refused to bury]


    They refused because this person is officially and documentally buried, and there is a grave. Article stupid provocation
    1. +3
      21 May 2018 18: 17
      and there is a grave
      ,,, at the City Cemetery, 1 line, Samara winked
    2. +2
      21 May 2018 18: 43
      Quote: Pissarro
      and there is a grave

      and who in the grave?
      After all, the remains were identified by the order number only now. Conclusions: either the monument was just a grave and Nkito did not look for them in those years, or they are now mistaken.
      How rebuilt after WWII came across when my grandfather was looking
      1. +3
        21 May 2018 20: 35
        or just a monument on the grave and the nkito didn’t look for them in those years, or they are now mistaken.
        History
        The emergency act is drawn up on 23 May 1942 of the year.
        The scene of the incident is Mount Shaitan N = 753 meters in 8 km from the village “Kordon” of the Viseimo-Shaitansky District of the Sverdlovsk Region in 50 km from the airfield of the plant No. 381 in the mountains. Nizhny Tagil.
        ,,,The left engine, landing gear and plane during the destruction of the aircraft were thrown to the top of the mountain on 30 - 50 meters from the aircraft. The crew and passengers were killed, five corpses in a severely disfigured and burned form were near the plane, and the body of Lviv was thrown 35 meters from the plane.
        The cause of the catastrophe was the mistake of the pilot Skorokhodov in that despite the deteriorating meteorological conditions on the highway, the Sverdlovsk port did not request the actual weather and did not decide to land at the nearest airfield. Passing a blind flight over a mountain range, knowing that the height of individual hills on this route reaches 800 meters, the plane flew on H = 700, which led to a collision with a hill having an 753 height of m.

        The Commission notes that the weather reports and the ring data provided by the weather stations of Kuibyshev and Sverdlovsk on May 12, 1942, did not correspond to the actual weather conditions in Nizhny Tagil. According to the reports, the height of clouds in Nizhny Tagil = 300 meters, and in fact in the morning there was a continuous fog and by 11 hours the clouds were on H = 30 - 50 m.




        1. +3
          21 May 2018 22: 08
          then it’s not at all understandable, if then they found and buried, then who was found this time?
          1. dSK
            0
            22 May 2018 01: 26
            Sylvester Andreyevich, as a doctor, you know better than anyone else that chronic irritation destroys the liver more than alcohol, and chronic condemnation always ends in cancer.
            1. +1
              22 May 2018 10: 43
              Quote from dsk
              and chronic condemnation always ends in cancer.

              rave.
              Genetics and the environment lead to cancer
              Quote from dsk
              chronic irritation destroys the liver stronger than alcohol

              nutrition! respected and water. France has a transplant center in Lyon. I talked with the professor there, in 95% of indications for liver transplantation hepatitis was transferred.
          2. +1
            22 May 2018 18: 42
            Quote: Silvestr
            who did you find this time?

            Remains (no DNA) And the order with the number.
            According to the order and determined.
            1. 0
              22 May 2018 20: 25
              And the Order with the number
              ,, the Order of Lenin for No. XXUMX, even if the documents showed that the award was given, that the order behind this number was awarded to Shenkman BM
              If you take for the fact that the orders were awarded in order (my guess, if someone understands this issue very much, I will be very grateful for the information) of the serial number, it is not entirely clear.

              Awarding of the aviation plant √18 and Schenkman B.M was noted in the Decree of the USSR AFP from 23.08.1941.
              Then it is not clear how OL №7315 was the awarding of Khrunichev MV. Decree of the USSR AFC from 08.09.1941g.?
              OL №7313 Voronin P.A.P.PVS USSR from 08.09.1941g.?
              Could not orders of such status and at that time be taken for rewarding in random order?
              And how to understand it recourse о travel time to the Urals in order to achieve an increase in supplies of critical materials to the plant he died in a plane crash. He was identified by the very Order of Lenin, which he was awarded in August 1941 of the year.

              The government report on the death of the director of the 18 plant was published in all central newspapers. The obituary in Pravda was printed on 23 on May 1942 of the year.

              http://news.samaratoday.ru/news/191303/ это было опубликовано в 2010г до поисковой экспедиции.
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  10. +2
    21 May 2018 18: 36
    It would be better if the darkest one played the piano and arranged international events corresponding to the scale of the mundial ... but, on the piano (there are plenty of concert halls, it is not necessary to build). But it’s very expensive, but it’s all the same to zero. wink
    1. 0
      22 May 2018 18: 44
      Quote: Yarik
      and arranged mundial corresponding to the scale

      If you drove along the current federal highways, you would thank this "mundial".
      STORY!!!!
  11. +2
    21 May 2018 18: 50
    This fucking decree ruined my vacation, spoiled my brother’s move from the North, closed the ormages, shooting galleries, shooting ranges ... These are forbidden funerals. What for? Well, if we consider this "decree" as the "decree of the struggle of senile senility with the brain," then everything falls into place. Then it is clear. Already passed this, yeah - "boobs" and "shit gu." The spiral of history.
    1. 0
      22 May 2018 18: 46
      Quote: Shelest2000
      Those forbidden are forbidden.

      Not true.
      It’s just not a funeral.
      This is an occasion for PR not very honest people.
  12. +1
    21 May 2018 21: 07
    This is why ... is it such a flood? ... in the bathhouse, however ... and with a broom from the heart.
  13. +1
    21 May 2018 21: 33
    The bullshit doesn’t give a damn that Matvey Borisovich is one of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War, Victory Day passed and the money went to “earn”, how many soldiers that are still not resting lie in the vastness of Russia and it doesn’t matter to me what nationality they are, it’s important that they defended my front and rear Homeland - the USSR! Eternal glory to them!
  14. 0
    22 May 2018 11: 15
    But the main character of that film was the director of the aircraft factory, who, under enemy fire, evacuated his plant to the east. This film was honest and truthful, and the prototype of director Mikhail Ivanovich Shadurov was Matvey Borisovich Shenkman. The image is written off from him.

    And why would Matvei Borisovich Shenkman turn into Mikhail Ivanovich Shadurov? Can anyone intelligible explain?
    1. 0
      22 May 2018 18: 49
      Quote: farcop
      why would Matvei Borisovich Shenkman turn into Mikhail Ivanovich Shadurov?

      From the same as in the "Taming of the Fire" a certain Bashkirtsev acted.
      Personal data requires literary processing - and a literary name.
    2. 0
      23 May 2018 07: 58
      farcop (Far Cop) Yesterday, 11:15
      But the main character of that film was the director of the aircraft factory, who, under enemy fire, evacuated his plant to the east. This film was honest and truthful, and the prototype of director Mikhail Ivanovich Shadurov was Matvey Borisovich Shenkman. The image is written off from him.

      “And why would Matvey Borisovich Shenkman turn into Mikhail Ivanovich Shadurov? Can anyone explain something intelligible?”

      This is state anti-Semitism. I clearly explained? hi
      1. 0
        23 May 2018 09: 14
        Quote: omit
        This is state anti-Semitism. I clearly explained?
        Highly. hi
  15. +1
    22 May 2018 19: 47
    "But some strange sediment remains"...

    Although disgusting from this, it does not surprise ...
    The tribe of reinsurers has lost memory, shame, conscience, and the ability to think soundly and make responsible decisions ...
    The straws piled under their priests - thirty-three carts ...
    Here I’m trying to understand how the players (!!!) of some (!!!) Cameroon were able to influence the organization of the burial of the remains of a worthy person ???
    Here ... some obscurantism ... The stupidity and despair of an official tribe ... angry
  16. kig
    0
    23 May 2018 02: 37
    Well, what does the championship and especially FIFA?
  17. 0
    24 May 2018 09: 02
    Why surprise? March 18 voted for the continuation of the banquet, and hawla to the dump. These are still flowers, but not long before the fruits. Perhaps right after the World Cup.
    1. 0
      25 May 2018 15: 58
      And what to hawt? Information stuffing?
      Above in the comments there is a photo of the grave of Shenkman MB There is an emergency act of 1942, in which both the scene of the incident and the fact that 6 corpses were found were indicated. There is a close relative - the grandson of Shankman.
      The question arises - who, where and on what basis are they going to bury?
      In addition, the article quotes from a letter about the need to coordinate public events, but does not say anything about whether the organizers tried to get permission and that they were answered to their request. All that is is a maxim:
      It is clear that nothing will be allowed to anyone.
  18. 0
    24 May 2018 09: 23
    Sort it out. officials are slowing down, but the fish are too tough for them ...
  19. 0
    24 May 2018 11: 16
    Our officials in their initiatives lose their mind and do not know retention.