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Three options to return Donbass. What will Ukraine choose?

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Three possible scenarios for the return of Donbass under the control of Ukraine are being considered in Kiev, said Deputy Minister for Temporarily Occupied Territories and Internally Displaced Persons Yuriy Grimchak.


Three options to return Donbass. What will Ukraine choose?


The first - to quickly reach the world, you can give up. Quickly dissolve the army - and there will be peace and quiet, but not for long
- said Grymchak in an interview with the Ukrainian online publication Observer.

There is a military scenario, but such an alignment is “unlikely for many reasons,” the politician added.

The politician called the “Croatian” scenario a priority, implying the introduction of a peacekeeping mission to Donbass and the withdrawal of “foreign troops” from there. Those in Kiev, apparently, consider the Russian armed forces - the Ukrainian authorities constantly declare their presence in the region, although they have never presented convincing evidence.

Earlier, Grymchak said that the Ukrainian army is able to "return" the territory of the self-proclaimed republics in two weeks. However, he made the reservation that such a scenario seems to be "least likely."
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  1. maxim947
    maxim947 19 May 2018 14: 04
    +31
    We advise you to stay on the first option, give up and return everything else, from this everyone will only get better
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 19 May 2018 14: 23
      +12
      Donbass will never return to Ukraine. So, none of these scenarios resemble. winked
      1. Logall
        Logall 19 May 2018 14: 23
        +25
        Croatian script
        - Is it under the guise of the UN to cut out local residents? It is in the spirit of the current government ... In Croatia, this was exactly what happened.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 19 May 2018 14: 48
          +20
          Three options to return Donbass. What will Ukraine choose?
          Yesterday, literally, according to the First Republican, I watched a program with the participation of the journalist Andrei Babitsky, scandalously famous for the First Chechen, and even “bred” by the Last Name “Novitsky” in the series “Men's Work” ... and now living and working with us.

          His forecast, with the change of curator (Surkov to Mikhail Babich): RETURN TO THE NOVOROSSIA PROJECT ... A tough and uncompromising option.

          That would be used. yes

          And no Ukrainian options. We put on them ...
          1. onix757
            onix757 19 May 2018 15: 01
            +4
            His forecast, with the change of curator (Surkov to Mikhail Babich): RETURN TO THE NOVOROSSIA PROJECT ... A tough and uncompromising option.

            From a change in terms, defeatist policies will not change. Participation in the games of the oligarchs does not make anyone happier, and people do not believe in these “projects”.
            1. Hire
              Hire 19 May 2018 17: 03
              +4
              Three possible scenarios for the return of Donbass to Ukrainian control are being considered in Kiev. The first is to surrender quickly.

              That is, the option of surrender is still being considered. laughing
          2. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 19 May 2018 15: 22
            +10
            Instead of Surkov, the Ukrainian direction in the Kremlin now oversees another

            He was appointed ambassador to the Volga Federal District back in December 2011 by Dmitry Medvedev, when he was president of Russia. But Babich proved himself much earlier.

            According to Babich, a person is "very tough, but very effective, who, having received any, the most disastrous task, manages not only to get the desired result, but also to do it with minimal losses for the bosses."

            He worked as Deputy Governor of the Moscow Region Boris Gromov on financial and economic issues and sought to increase regional budget revenues, struggled with the local elite for property, and stopped the illegal circulation of forests and land.

            Babich also visited Chechnya as prime minister in 2002, although he worked for less than a year, but managed to establish a transparent system for spending billions of budget tranches coming from Moscow. The reason for the dismissal was his adherence to principle - he defiantly quit after the Republican Minister of Finance was appointed contrary to his opinion.

            After Chechnya, in 2003, Mikhail Babich was elected to the State Duma.

            After the dismissal of Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov on July 28, 2016, the Kremlin planned Mikhail Babich for this position, but Kiev did not agree on his candidacy.
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 19 May 2018 15: 27
              +8
              Quote: Sith Lord
              After the dismissal of Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov on July 28, 2016, the Kremlin planned Mikhail Babich for this position, but Kiev did not agree on his candidacy.

              So Babitsky, on air of the "First Republican" said:
              They(Ukrainian side) about it (Kiev did not accept Babich’s candidacy for the post of ambassador),still regret
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 19 May 2018 15: 32
                +4
                In August, he will start his duties if something does not change, as last year.
                1. Separ DNR
                  Separ DNR 19 May 2018 15: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Sith Lord
                  In August, will begin dutiesif they don’t change something, like last year.

                  And pull something? Does it take so long to take matters from Surkov?

                  And in our case, don’t say delay, if not death, then: Oo-oo-oo-oo
            2. forester
              forester 19 May 2018 15: 34
              +1
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Instead of Surkov, the Ukrainian direction in the Kremlin now oversees another

              He was appointed ambassador to the Volga Federal District back in December 2011 by Dmitry Medvedev, when he was president of Russia. But Babich proved himself much earlier.

              According to Babich, a person is "very tough, but very effective, who, having received any, the most disastrous task, manages not only to get the desired result, but also to do it with minimal losses for the bosses."

              He worked as Deputy Governor of the Moscow Region Boris Gromov on financial and economic issues and sought to increase regional budget revenues, struggled with the local elite for property, and stopped the illegal circulation of forests and land.

              Babich also visited Chechnya as prime minister in 2002, although he worked for less than a year, but managed to establish a transparent system for spending billions of budget tranches coming from Moscow. The reason for the dismissal was his adherence to principle - he defiantly quit after the Republican Minister of Finance was appointed contrary to his opinion.

              After Chechnya, in 2003, Mikhail Babich was elected to the State Duma.

              After the dismissal of Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov on July 28, 2016, the Kremlin planned Mikhail Babich for this position, but Kiev did not agree on his candidacy.

              Judging by your comment - Babich is a good man - this is what you need there
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 19 May 2018 15: 42
                +2
                Quote: forester
                Babich is a good man - this is what you need there


                "There," this is to the Kremlin ... Therefinally, they must understand what they want and how they will achieve it.
          3. Awaz
            Awaz 19 May 2018 15: 34
            +3
            Initially, the events in the Donbass did not develop with the Kremlin’s submission. The Kremlin was compelled to get involved in these events, at that moment when there ukrovoyaki really began to bomb peaceful settlements. However, it was immediately clear that the Kremlin did not want to take these territories. Therefore, this whole gimp continues. The Kremlin probably hoped that the junta’s regime would fall by itself and come to power more or less adequate and the Donbass would slowly return to (to) Ukraine, roughly according to the Chechen scenario.
            Principle and now it would be possible to negotiate on this scenario, but the curators of the junta do not need this. Unfortunately for Ukraine and the Donbass, the option of a permanent war is very convenient and interesting for those who made a mess in Ukraine.
            It’s very difficult for the Kremlin to try to wiggle between different forces, but they can’t act as drastically as in the Crimea, because they missed time. (it was necessary to do together with the Crimea) But I already said that the whole point is that they hoped for the collapse of the junta. And, as I understand it, the prospects for Donbass are very illusory in terms of resolving the situation in a good way without blood and honestly.
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 19 May 2018 15: 44
              +3
              Quote: AwaZ
              Donbass will slowly return to (to) Ukraine, approximately according to the Chechen scenario

              In two wars? Is it called "slowly"?
            2. Antares
              Antares 19 May 2018 16: 07
              0
              Quote: AwaZ
              The Kremlin probably hoped that the junta’s regime would fall by itself and come to power more or less adequate and the Donbass would slowly return to (to) Ukraine, roughly according to the Chechen scenario.

              therefore, assistance to the "partners" was provided in the most difficult time apparently ...
            3. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 19 May 2018 17: 05
              +3
              The Kremlin needed to intervene in 2004, not 2014
            4. helmi8
              helmi8 19 May 2018 20: 01
              +2
              Quote: AwaZ
              Initially, the events in the Donbass did not develop with the filing of the Kremlin

              Well yes. If you remember, after the Crimean referendum, Putin told Donbass not to rush with his referendum. They did not listen. And there was, apparently, a different scenario ...
          4. Antares
            Antares 19 May 2018 16: 05
            +1
            Quote: Separ DNR
            RETURN TO THE PROJECT NEWS ... Rigid, and uncompromising option.

            A lot of time has passed, everything has changed so much that what was relevant for 2014/2015 lost all meaning. In the struggle for the heads of Russians / Ukrainians in Ukraine, the return of the Novorossiya project has lost all meaning.
            Quite the contrary. Advertising of the "Russian world and Novorossia" is negative.
            Well, except that brute force drive people to happiness .. only so.
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 19 May 2018 16: 13
              +4
              Quote: Antares
              A lot of time has passed, everything has changed so much that what was relevant for 2014/2015 lost all meaning. In the struggle for the heads of Russians / Ukrainians in Ukraine, the return of the Novorossiya project has lost all meaning.

              Why ... As soon as the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions, which have gained fat thanks to Minsk, will be brought to the state of July-August 2014 (multiplied by "0"), then the dream of New Russia will wake up "in the minds of Russians / Ukrainians .." .
          5. Kuroneko
            Kuroneko 19 May 2018 16: 55
            +5
            Quote: Separ DNR
            Three options to return Donbass. What will Ukraine choose?

            Which order. The colony has no right to independent decisions by definition.
          6. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 20 May 2018 17: 24
            +2
            Quote: Separ DNR
            with the participation of journalist Andrei Babitsky

            one of the few journalists who after the events of 2014 realized the whole rottenness of the Euroamericos ... moreover, working before that in their camp !!! request request wassat wassat
        2. volodya
          volodya 19 May 2018 14: 59
          +8
          Quote: Logall
          Croatian script
          - Is it under the guise of the UN to cut out local residents? It is in the spirit of the current government ... In Croatia, this was exactly what happened.

          In Ukraine, as always, the worst scenario will be chosen
        3. major147
          major147 19 May 2018 22: 06
          +1
          Quote: Logall
          Croatian script
          - Is it under the guise of the UN to cut out local residents? It is in the spirit of the current government ... In Croatia, this was exactly what happened.

          And the Yugoslav scenario for Ukraine is already being realized!
      2. 210ox
        210ox 19 May 2018 14: 53
        +10
        I’m still waiting for them to finally make the right decision. Which will completely untie our hands. With a misunderstanding, 404 it’s time to end .. Although it will have to be paid in blood.
        Quote: siberalt
        Donbass will never return to Ukraine. So, none of these scenarios resemble. winked
        1. rammjager
          rammjager 19 May 2018 16: 15
          +1
          Maybe enough about the "misunderstanding 404"? With this misunderstanding, Russia began.
          1. rammjager
            rammjager 19 May 2018 16: 17
            0
            And this “misunderstanding 404” is still many and will survive a lot :)
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 19 May 2018 16: 55
              +3
              Quote: rammjager
              And this “misunderstanding 404” is still many and will survive a lot :)

              Perhaps, but not in this form, and not in such a status ...
              1. rammjager
                rammjager 19 May 2018 17: 42
                0
                How interesting! Can share your thoughts?
                1. Separ DNR
                  Separ DNR 19 May 2018 18: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: rammjager
                  How interesting!

                  You are interested, but I’m fighting for it.
                  Quote: rammjager
                  Can share your thoughts?

                  One thing I can say EXACTLY how the Russian Federation decides, so be it.
                  1. rammjager
                    rammjager 19 May 2018 21: 02
                    0
                    Are you fighting for how the Russian Federation decides? However, interesting :)
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 19 May 2018 21: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: rammjager
                      Are you fighting for how the Russian Federation decides? However, interesting :)
                      -Something you answer with a question ... The receiver is so muddy At the God's chosen ....
                      1. rammjager
                        rammjager 19 May 2018 21: 50
                        0
                        Ha, you are not careful. However, your comment is also a little unclear :)
          2. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 19 May 2018 21: 38
            +3
            Quote: rammjager
            Maybe enough about the "misunderstanding 404"? With this misunderstanding, Russia began.

            As far as I remember, Rurik began to create Russia from Novgorod wink
            1. rammjager
              rammjager 19 May 2018 21: 44
              0
              Well, maybe so. But still, Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Yes and Russia was Kievan, not Novgorod. So, guys, Russian is land. Anyway!
              1. grandson of Perun
                grandson of Perun 19 May 2018 22: 13
                +2
                No one disputes that the so-called "Ukraine" is a native Russian land. But the unification of Russian lands nevertheless began not from Kiev, but from Novgorod, where, after the death of his grandfather, Gostomysl came to reign Rurik.
                By the way, the clarification that Kievan Rus was necessary in order not to confuse another Rus. For example, Novgorod.
                And the relocation of Prince Oleg from Novgorod to Kiev was necessary in the upcoming war with the Khazar Kaganate.
                1. rammjager
                  rammjager 19 May 2018 22: 23
                  0
                  Well, my friend, I’m not going to argue:) God forbid me. Moreover, I’m not strong in this matter. I’m leading to what. There’s not a good situation. Do not find it? And you have to solve the problem. Sooner or later.
                  1. grandson of Perun
                    grandson of Perun 19 May 2018 22: 35
                    0
                    Of course it is necessary to return their lands. So far they have not been reformatted to resemble Russophobic Poland and the Baltic states. Also our former lands, by the way.
          3. dvina71
            dvina71 20 May 2018 01: 00
            +1
            Quote: rammjager
            Maybe enough about the "misunderstanding 404"? With this misunderstanding, Russia began.

            Go to school to learn history.
            Russia began with Novgorod the Great, Staraya Ladoga .. and several other cities of the Novgorod Principality. What is now called Ukraine .. for the most part Wild Field (fat black soil from there), Kiev was busy .. because there was no one to fight there, Rurik’s nephews .. Askold and Dir., On the way to Constantinople.
            1. rammjager
              rammjager 20 May 2018 01: 14
              0
              Ohhh! I’m silent, otherwise I’ll get it on my neck, and I won’t complete my feat ... (c)
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 20 May 2018 01: 21
                +1
                Quote: rammjager
                I’m silent, otherwise I’ll get it on my neck

                You just don’t need to be silent .. Take care of it .. Read the History of the Russian State .. there are references to The Tale of Bygone Years and to Western sources .. including the gynological trees of the northern European nobility ..
                1. rammjager
                  rammjager 20 May 2018 01: 36
                  0
                  All this is wonderful. BUT! Explain to me then: what is “Kievan Rus”, who is Prince Vladimir, the baptism of Rus, and why, finally, a monument to Vladimir was erected in Moscow? If I am not mistaken, he was not a Novgorod guy? Not?
                  1. rammjager
                    rammjager 20 May 2018 01: 39
                    0
                    And, one more moment. Vladimir Russia. Enlighten the unfortunate.
                    1. dvina71
                      dvina71 20 May 2018 02: 07
                      0
                      Quote: rammjager
                      .Vladimir Russia



                      Vladimir Russia is an era in the history of North-Eastern Russia, when Vladimir-on-Klyazma was its main political center. Sometimes this term is also used to refer to the direct possessions of the Grand Duchy of Vladimir and its dependent lands.

                      The period of the reign of Yuri Dolgoruky begins with the strengthening of Vladimir, and one of the decisive events is the campaign of Andrei Bogolyubsky to Kiev in 1169 and the transfer of the great reign to Vladimir. The Vladimir period was replaced by the era of Muscovite Russia. The border of both eras can be considered in 1325, when the residence of Metropolitan Peter was transferred to Moscow from Vladimir.


                      Quote: rammjager
                      I say that present-day Ukraine is the essence of the Russian land

                      Nobody argues with this, but Russia did not go from there. Just for information .. to explain the economic power of Novgorod the Great .. Its lands extended from the Baltic to the Urals ... there were trading posts .. after baptism in these territories, dozens of cities and hundreds of large settlements suddenly appeared .. Strange .. yes ? where did they come from .. Around the same time .. a fishing village on the banks of the Dnieper .. was called Kiev ..
                      1. rammjager
                        rammjager 20 May 2018 02: 21
                        0
                        Dear, all this is wonderful. But at least you’ll indicate what kind of modern framework. :) And it’s somehow incomprehensible large settlements, ports, etc. And a fishing village on the banks of the Dnieper. :) Nothing that this village is more than one and a half thousand years?
                  2. dvina71
                    dvina71 20 May 2018 01: 45
                    0
                    Quote: rammjager
                    Explain to me then: what is Kievan Rus

                    You definitely need to go to school .. to study history .. NU make an effort .. read at least the first few chapters of Karamzin’s work .. he tried for posterity, that is, for us. Too lazy to read .. then on YouTube to the Goblin, intelligence interrogation. About the origin of the Slavs. There, the historian professional explains everything.
                    Kievan Rus is the name of the Old Russian feudal state. There was still Vladimir Russia .. and most importantly ... the history of Russia (Rus) began long before baptism. Khazar was defeated by Prince Svyatoslav Igorevich .. pagan, his son Vladimir baptized Russia ..
                    1. rammjager
                      rammjager 20 May 2018 01: 48
                      0
                      And, I dare to ask, where did I baptize?
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 20 May 2018 01: 53
                        0
                        Quote: rammjager
                        And, I dare to ask, where did I baptize?

                        Oh .. if only in Kiev .. a lot of blood was shed in all the major cities of Russia.
                        Do you seriously think that the history of Russia began with baptism?
                      2. rammjager
                        rammjager 20 May 2018 01: 53
                        0
                        And, in general, dear Gennady, I do not want to argue, to prove something. I say that present-day Ukraine is the land of Russia, and you should not call it “misunderstanding.” Rather, we are misunderstandings, since we have come to this.
                    2. dvina71
                      dvina71 20 May 2018 02: 49
                      0
                      Quote: rammjager
                      But nothing that this village is more than one and a half thousand years?

                      How much how much? There is no exact date for the formation of Kiev. It is believed that the village appeared there in the 6th century AD. There is a beautiful legend .. about Kia and Lebed .. but they were not found in the excavations. But they found all sorts of ceramics and trinkets.
                      I’ll just list a few cities .. 8-9 centuries .. Izborsk, Belozersk, Murom, Rostov, Novgorod ..
                      In the year 6370 (862). They drove the Varangian overseas, and did not give them tribute, and began to rule themselves, and there was no truth among them, and the clan stood up, and they had a wars, and began to fight with each other. And they said to themselves: “Let us look for a prince who would own us and judge rightfully.” And they went overseas to the Varangians, to Russia. Those Varangians were called Rus, as the others are called Swedes, and other Normans and Angles, and also other Gotlanders - like these. Chud, Slovenia, Krivichi and the whole of Russia said: “Our land is great and plentiful, but there is no order in it. Come to reign and rule us. ” And three brothers with their clans were chosen, and they took all Russia with them, and they came and sat the eldest, Rurik, in Novgorod, and the other, Sineus, on Beloozero, and the third, Truvor, in Izborsk.

                      What other major cities were near Kiev at the time? But near Novgorod there were many.
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 19 May 2018 17: 19
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Donbass will never return to Ukraine. So, none of these scenarios resemble. winked

        But only in what boundaries? Half of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions are still or already under Ukraine.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 19 May 2018 18: 57
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Half of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions are still or already under Ukraine.

          2/3 of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions ...
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 19 May 2018 14: 56
      +6
      To the first option it is necessary to add: "and join the Russian Federation in separate areas"
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 19 May 2018 16: 50
        +6
        Quote: solzh
        Donbass, in my opinion, did not become part of Russia, not because we do not have resources, but because there is no political will. Or maybe for some other reason, but not for economic reasons.


        Donbass, unlike the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, cannot be part of Russia, because Ukraine is a unitary state.
        Will there be a federal - then yes, there will be a right to self-determination. They are fighting for it.

        So "political will" has nothing to do with it.
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 19 May 2018 17: 00
          +3
          Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
          Donbass, unlike the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, cannot be part of Russia, because Ukraine is a unitary state.

          Poland, during its partitions, no one askedas she wants be part of a state, as a whole, or voivodships ...
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General 19 May 2018 17: 08
            +3
            Then there was a global war, and a global division of territories.
            Now there is no declared war? Then we will sit in the unrecognized Republics, until either by force to remove the Ukrainian ghouls in power, or until the "Western partners" decide to accept the federalization of Ukraine in order to snatch pieces too.
    3. forester
      forester 19 May 2018 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: maxim947
      We advise you to stay on the first option, give up and return everything else, from this everyone will only get better

      Precisely - the best option for them to decommunize and return to the borders of 1654.
    4. gladcu2
      gladcu2 20 May 2018 20: 27
      0
      Funny suggestions.

      Under capitalism, an agreement is not possible.
      Under capitalism, there will always be mutual discontent between the parties.
      Under capitalism, there can be no trust, so finding an alternative is not possible.
      Under capitalism, there is no guarantee of the fulfillment of the contract. Even if you find a person who can become the guarantor of the fulfillment of the agreement of both parties, the services of this person cost money. And not the fact that he can be a guarantor.
      The oligarchy who replaced the state in Ukraine cannot be the basis of the state. Cannot guarantee laws.

      Capitalism is a lie, a lie, and again a lie. Capitalism works according to the scheme: a lie times a lie is equal to the truth. Conditionally. Because the truth under capitalism has no definition.

      Capitalism does not carry a unification within itself; it is a system of division, disunity of society.

      Therefore, it is not necessary to strive for the LPR and the DPR to join lawless Ukraine.

      Ukraine has lost sovereignty. Ukraine is ruled by oligarchs who, in principle, cannot have a national identity. Ukraine does not have a state.

      From this point of view, joining makes no sense, moreover, it is a danger.
  2. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 19 May 2018 14: 05
    +12
    There is still a way. On the way of Belarus. Destroy the junta, exterminate the nationalists, drive out the Americans and European warriors, and integrate with Russia.
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 19 May 2018 15: 07
      +7
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      There is still a way. On the way of Belarus. Destroy the junta, exterminate the nationalists, drive out the Americans and European warriors, and integrate with Russia.

      What are the examples? deep integration of Russia and Belarus ...
      You will not name No. because there is none Integration...

      Nationalists ... There are them in Belarus, and quite a lot.
      May the guys from Belarus support me (or refute) yes
      1. demos1111
        demos1111 19 May 2018 15: 24
        +7
        There is no integration. There is a freebie at the expense of others.
        1. onix757
          onix757 19 May 2018 15: 34
          +1
          There is no integration. There is a freebie at the expense of others.

          You won’t get freebies from the bourgeois. For mere mortals, there are debts and interest on them.
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 19 May 2018 16: 45
        +2
        Quote: Separ DNR
        there is no integration ...

        There is a game "both ours and yours", but really: there are creeps and numbers, but integration itself got lost along the way ...
  3. evil partisan
    evil partisan 19 May 2018 14: 05
    +7
    Ukraine, as always, will choose such an option that would guarantee it to step on the excrement. yes Figuratively speaking, essno.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 19 May 2018 14: 19
      +2
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Ukraine, as always, will choose such an option that would guarantee it to step on the excrement. yes Figuratively speaking, essno.

      I agree . What else can you expect from a life offended. ........
  4. solzh
    solzh 19 May 2018 14: 08
    +6
    But the Kiev junta does not have a peaceful scenario ...
    The first scenario is interesting, but do we need all of Ukraine? Again, we will pull them out of the Russian budget? Let it surrender to us, we won’t take much, just: Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, and we will look at other regions of Ukraine how they are doing there.
    1. Alexey N
      Alexey N 19 May 2018 14: 56
      +1
      We definitely do not need. All. Only the Black Sea coast.
      But the Ukrainians themselves, the question.
    2. Antares
      Antares 19 May 2018 16: 10
      +1
      Quote: solzh
      Let it surrender to us, we won’t take much, just: Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov

      Wow ... And surrender, and Kharkov, and the main port at the World Cup ... Zaporozhye is not enough on the list ..
      really want a little laughing
      Consider there the same stubborn Russians, whatever they are called (well, no matter how you are called, the same). Surrender from them, just like you will not wait.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 19 May 2018 17: 06
        +4
        To Zaporozhye, you can add Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa.
    3. LMN
      LMN 19 May 2018 22: 55
      +3
      Quote: solzh
      But the Kiev junta does not have a peaceful scenario ...
      The first scenario is interesting, but do we need all of Ukraine? Again, we will pull them out of the Russian budget? Let it surrender to us, we won’t take much, just: Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov, and we will look at other regions of Ukraine how they are doing there.

      I have a feeling that Russia in any case will have to “raise” Ukraine sad
      ..or no one else will.
  5. svp67
    svp67 19 May 2018 14: 10
    +3
    And the option in which Kiev finally begins to hear the Donbass is not considered?
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 19 May 2018 14: 13
    +2
    Priority politician called the "Croatian" scenario,
    Tired of already with their Croatian script. The Russians will die with bones. And there will be no blitzkrieg in the Donbass.
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 19 May 2018 14: 56
      +5
      Quote: Observer2014
      there will be no blitzkrieg in the Donbass.

      The attempt will be ...
      And there will be bloodthirsty, oh-oh-oh-th ...
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 19 May 2018 15: 52
        +1
        Tell me, are there among Ukrainian politicians who advocate that Donbass be released already?
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 19 May 2018 15: 55
          +1
          Quote: Moskovit
          Tell me, are there among Ukrainian politicians who advocate that Donbass be released already?

          I DO NOT KNOW, I am in the grades of their "politicians", I do not understand. soldier
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 19 May 2018 16: 01
            0
            Clear. So, the world will have to be forced.
  7. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 19 May 2018 14: 18
    +1
    It’s too good to prey on the war there, so that everything could be taken and completed.
  8. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 19 May 2018 14: 23
    +6
    the introduction of a peacekeeping mission to the Donbass and the withdrawal of "foreign troops" from there. Apparently, the Russian armed forces consider these to be in Kiev - the Ukrainian authorities constantly declare their presence in the region, although they have never presented convincing evidence.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 19 May 2018 15: 03
      0
      Got at least written something?
      The budget ruins are kept on tax revenues from the gorilka.
      Isn't Nenka an Enemy Singing?
      He will drink everything, but Nenko will save!
  9. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 19 May 2018 14: 25
    +2
    I come to the thought of the Roman Senator Cato that Kiev, like Carthage, should be “destroyed.” Cato and I are not bloodthirsty, just the Ukraine project is not compatible with the existence of Russia and the further costs of this “coexistence” will only increase. what reformatting of Ukraine will not help only the fate of Carthage.
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 May 2018 16: 18
      0
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      I come to the thought of the Roman Senator Cato that Kiev, like Carthage, should be “destroyed”

      Mark Portius Cato Sr. was obsessed with this thought. The wealth of Carthage and its potential power did not give him rest. He was not at all disturbed much. And the Women of Rome and the luxury and the man who saved Rome (Scipio) and Greek culture and so on
      However, Moscow is not the Roman Republic. Well, Ukraine is not Carthage.
      By the way, Carthage after 3 years (3 Punic) was taken, destroyed, the population was evicted, the place was completely destroyed, the entire civilization of this Phoenician city was destroyed.
      And all by order of the Senate. Contrary to the aspirations of the winner of Hannibal.
      So - Moscow did not defeat Kiev in 3 wars. Moscow did not besiege Kiev in a 3-year siege. They are not even rivals, for they preach one religion - money. In general, they are partners, they just have disagreements on some issues.
  10. cedar
    cedar 19 May 2018 14: 26
    +1
    Anything can be considered in Kiev ... Even though the Moon is in the telescope, even though the microbe is in the microscope, they will do it as Gauleiter Volker orders.
    "Woe to the vanquished."
  11. Salomet
    Salomet 19 May 2018 14: 37
    +5
    Many commentators write about the return of the territories, which honestly
    extremely funny. I will ask some questions.
    1. Does Russia have 300-400 thousand honest judges, prosecutors, officials, for each region that you choose? The scale of nepotism will nullify any of your "pulling" of these territories.
    2. Resistance, not only ideological, but also youth. You do not show much on TV, but young people are intensively transported abroad showing a “carrot”, which “donkeys” will have to follow. Attempts to crush them will cause the natural hatred of both youth and their parents. FSB handle? Enough resources? At the same time, tension in other areas will not only subside, but will increase.
    3. Okay to ordinary Russians, Ukraine has its own land, and Medvedev, Usmanov, Deripaska? Will the political will be in power to return the "Russian land"?
    DNRLR do not join because they do not want to. No resources!
    hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 May 2018 14: 52
      +2
      There is a war going on - that's why they are not joining. But the republics can provide for themselves, there are a lot of resources.
    2. solzh
      solzh 19 May 2018 15: 13
      +6
      1. Is it not a lot of 300-400 thousand officials and others in one region? From Russia to the territory included in Ukraine, but hypothetically, annexed to Russia, will not send anyone. In these territories pro-Russian citizens will be enough to create governing bodies.
      2. Resistance. Special services will do this, again with pro-Russian citizens. We have enough experience and skills (from the civil war to the second Chechen war).
      3. Here I agree with you.
      4. Donbass, in my opinion, did not become part of Russia, not because we have no resources, but because there is no political will. Or maybe for some other reason, but not for economic reasons.
    3. evil partisan
      evil partisan 19 May 2018 15: 28
      +3
      Quote: Salomet
      1. Does Russia have 300-400 thousand honest judges, prosecutors, officials, for each region that you choose?

      Those. even in 2 regions (Lugansk + Donetsk) Russia should allocate without a small million (!!) officials chtoli ?? belay
      Hic ... sad
      Brad. yes
    4. forester
      forester 19 May 2018 15: 45
      +1
      There are resources - there is no suitable moment
    5. Awaz
      Awaz 19 May 2018 15: 47
      0
      I already wrote above that it is not a matter of resources. The fact is that initially no one in the Kremlin wanted to get involved in the unrest that took place in the Donbass. It was hoped that the junta itself would collapse and everything would somehow be settled on its own (they could agree with the Chechens somehow, and even agreed with the Bandera on the advice)
      I agree only that it is not profitable to quarrel with the West for those who rule money in Russia. And therefore, hope for peace in the east of the remnants of Ukraine, the prevalence of reason in power in Kiev, or if the power there really changes for completely different people who are not soiled in this massacre (which is unlikely), although remembering the centenary history of Russia, we can assume that there could be those who could to pin down the most rabid and bloody members of the junta. But right now the wrong times and Stalin is born more than once in a hundred years ..
      and therefore, it is unlikely that the Russian Federation will take away the Donbass, but the junta regime could have been thrown off if the authorities in the Kremlin had been thinking about ordinary people in the first place and showing the same “carrots” they should be striving for. Until 1 to 4 years, it was a complete success. I drove by car to the Crimea. If you are traveling across Russia, you’re already used to our reality and only moved the border with Ukraine, you immediately feel a shock. Where am I ? Is that a scoop? Roads are poor, around are dilapidated but not finished off old Soviet cowsheds, on the roads are old Soviet Lada and Sensa, etc. But when you move from Ukraine to Russia, it really feels like you got to Sovka from Europe: clean asphalt, new cars, beautiful fields, well-groomed, no devastation, construction sites, etc. .. Duck, you have to work like this and make people rich and happy, and Ukrainians will be forced to do something themselves, and not fight
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 19 May 2018 16: 14
        +1
        Quote: AwaZ
        I already wrote above that it is not a matter of resources. The fact is that initially no one in the Kremlin wanted to get involved in the unrest that took place in the Donbass. It was hoped that the junta itself would collapse and everything would sort out by itself

        Not properly. No one in the Kremlin was pledged to self-liquidate the junta. There they were sufficiently informed about the external support of processes in Ukraine. The question was only in the degree of impact on the ongoing processes to stop the problem. In the movie "Putin," Putin himself spoke quite frankly about this.
    6. Antares
      Antares 19 May 2018 16: 21
      0
      Quote: Salomet
      DNRLR do not join because they do not want to. No resources!

      The version that this is a lever of influence (because of the games of Gazprom like Syria) is not considered?
      ORDILO is mini Ukraine (Ukraine for the Russian Federation, ORDILO for Ukraine)
      The only difference is size, resourcing and value.
    7. LMN
      LMN 19 May 2018 23: 05
      +3
      Quote: Salomet
      Many commentators write about the return of the territories, which honestly
      extremely funny. I will ask some questions.
      1. Does Russia have 300-400 thousand honest judges, prosecutors, officials, for each region that you choose? The scale of nepotism will nullify any of your "pulling" of these territories.
      2. Resistance, not only ideological, but also youth. You do not show much on TV, but young people are intensively transported abroad showing a “carrot”, which “donkeys” will have to follow. Attempts to crush them will cause the natural hatred of both youth and their parents. FSB handle? Enough resources? At the same time, tension in other areas will not only subside, but will increase.
      3. Okay to ordinary Russians, Ukraine has its own land, and Medvedev, Usmanov, Deripaska? Will the political will be in power to return the "Russian land"?
      DNRLR do not join because they do not want to. No resources!
      hi

      This makes no sense
  12. Compasure
    Compasure 19 May 2018 14: 38
    0
    And I like the first option the most!
    1. Alexey N
      Alexey N 19 May 2018 14: 59
      +2
      But I’m completely different.
      Natsik loaded in green buses and follow to the point of mass disposal.
  13. dolfi1
    dolfi1 19 May 2018 14: 41
    +1
    what a "strategist" Napoleon didn’t stand next to. wassat how everything has not collapsed yet with such "politicians"
  14. Terenin
    Terenin 19 May 2018 14: 43
    +6
    Grymchak says one thing, the adviser to Petro Poroshenko, Alexander Passover, said that Kiev does not intend to restore the Donbass, even if it regains control over it. So they don’t have a single policy on the Donbass. Every day, different opinions. Their words are not subject to analysis. You can only analyze US policy in Ukraine. And we know her well - only creating the problems of Russia at the hands (lives) of Ukrainians.
  15. Alexey N
    Alexey N 19 May 2018 14: 45
    +2
    The script will obviously not be chosen in Kiev.
    So this potus should be shut up and quietly crawl to the side so that it doesn’t fly during the showdown.
  16. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 19 May 2018 14: 49
    0
    As trump orders, they will do so! They themselves have not been deciding anything for a long time - puppets!
  17. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 May 2018 14: 57
    +1
    Three options to return Donbass. What will Ukraine choose?

    From the joke:
    - What is the name of a man who can, but does not want?
    - St ... whose!
    “What is the name of a man who wants but cannot?”
    - It looks like Velikoukr ...
  18. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 19 May 2018 15: 01
    +2
    Hi hi
    VNA Ukraine without options. There are no hydrocarbons, Pyotr Alekseevich is already at a low start. Honestly, I don’t know where he will dump, but what a move in the garden "pepelats".
    ---
    PS By the way, he will not be re-elected for a second term.
    I have the honor!
  19. Simple
    Simple 19 May 2018 15: 10
    +1
    And why didn’t he mention the Crimean bridge option?

    wassat
  20. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 19 May 2018 15: 21
    +2
    There is only one option - not to pay attention to a sovereign country, to comply with international rules by which the secession areas can be accepted into Russia. With the Russian government, which simply laughs in the eyes of its own citizens, this issue will not be resolved. The USSR was not destroyed so that everyone lived happily ever after. While the Russian government pokes us into Ukrainian problems without solving its own problems, do not wait for good. Hopelessness ... We are not - we’ll all die, we will bum like the horses and the cow that needed to be divided, but they were folded ...
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 20 May 2018 01: 17
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      While the Russian government pokes us into Ukrainian problems without solving its own problems, do not wait for good.

      What problems didn’t the Russian government solve? Do not let you work? Driveing ​​to war? ..
  21. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 19 May 2018 15: 27
    +1
    The option to introduce peacekeepers to the territory of Donbass is a good one, in the territory where the APU is located and let the APU be removed from the territory of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions.
  22. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 19 May 2018 15: 31
    +5
    The fourth option - you can’t return it in any way.

    Cry and forget.
  23. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 May 2018 15: 39
    0
    The first option is true. Not Donbass to Ukraine, but Ukraine to Donbass. And everything will be "clear" ... laughing
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 May 2018 16: 30
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Not Donbass to Ukraine, but Ukraine to Donbass. And everything will be "clear" ..

      the ratio is something that is 15 times greater, but for the population even more.
      Three options in the article. However, all this is so telling - for a talk show. So far, a clear plan is to squeeze out the remnants of the influence of the Russian Federation from Ukraine, separation in all areas, isolation, sanitary cordon, etc. Direct and indirect costs of the Russian Federation in the Crimea and Ordilo. In general, if you speak for Donbass, you need to mean that it is 2/3 in Ukraine and 1/3 is ORDILO.
      And Sumy and Kharkov are nearby. There was an article on the VO and showed how the borders of the direct influence of the USSR and the current Russian Federation had changed by this time ...
      So pass / merge areas of interest, you need to be able to. Talent is needed.
      In the meantime, I am watching Gorbulin’s plan in action with some American additions.
      The US has studied geoeconomics well.
  24. Cheshire
    Cheshire 19 May 2018 16: 06
    0
    Return Donbass to Donbass ... and bring down songs to Europe.
  25. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 19 May 2018 16: 13
    +3
    Ukrainians do not have any options! Donbass for them is lost completely and irrevocably!
  26. Greg Miller
    Greg Miller 19 May 2018 17: 21
    +1
    The late General A. Lebed said masterfully about these: "Stupidity is not a lack of mind, it is such a mind ..."
  27. Dormidont
    Dormidont 19 May 2018 17: 38
    +1
    At the outskirts there are only three ways: terrible, catastrophic and monstrous. The main thing is to choose the right one.
  28. iouris
    iouris 19 May 2018 17: 43
    0
    The title of the article is extremist. “Return” Donbass to Ukraine the seizure of territory and the destruction or repression of the population living there, the transfer of hostilities to the territory of the Russian Federation.
  29. prapor55
    prapor55 19 May 2018 18: 28
    0
    Quote: Separ DNR
    His forecast, with the change of curator (Surkov to Mikhail Babich): RETURN TO THE NOVOROSSIA PROJECT ... A tough and uncompromising option.
    That would be used.
    And no Ukrainian options. We put on them ...
    Reply Quote Complaint Separ DNR

    And it is right!!!! And Surkova to transfer to the Donbass as moral compensation.
  30. TOR2
    TOR2 19 May 2018 22: 59
    +1
    Three possible scenarios for the return of Donbass to Ukrainian control are considered in Kiev


    The Russian Federation has not yet accepted LNR and DNR into its membership because at the moment they are needed as a detonator of the country 404. In BanderStan, the campaign did not yet fully understand that neither in the West, and now in the East, competitors are not needed. Everywhere only solvent consumers are needed. So no one will invest in their economy. And the DPR and LPR over time integrate fully into the economy of the Russian Federation.
  31. d1975
    d1975 20 May 2018 16: 55
    +1
    Quote: TermNachTER
    The Kremlin needed to intervene in 2004, not 2014

    Did you take off your pink glasses in 1992
    yes
  32. sgr291158
    sgr291158 21 May 2018 06: 15
    0
    Humble yourself already; neither Crimea nor Donbas can be returned.
  33. bone1
    bone1 22 May 2018 20: 16
    0
    There is only one option for returning Donbass - Ukraine needs to outweigh Bendera and become a part of Donbass if they take it.