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Tests of the engine of the "second stage" for the Su-57

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Flight testing of the T-50-2 flying laboratory with the engine of the “second stage” continues in Zhukovsky, reports bmpd.




Spotter photographs appeared on the Web, capturing the continuation of the flight tests of the fifth-generation T-50-2 fighter laboratory (tail number "052") with an installed prototype engine for the Su-57, known as the "30 product".

The second PAK FA prototype was re-equipped into the flying laboratory. His left engine (product 117) was replaced with a sample of the engine of the "second stage" (product 30).



The first flight of the fighter thus modified took place in Zhukovsky 5 last December. The flight was performed by Hero of Russia, the chief pilot of PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "" (as part of the KLA) Sergei Bogdan. The aircraft was in the air for 17 minutes.

The tests were resumed in February of this year.
Photos used:
Alexey Karpulev / russianplanes.net
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  1. the most important
    the most important 18 May 2018 14: 01
    +6
    With interruptions of two months, tests will have to take a long time. India has already run out of patience several times to wait for a good plane. It’s a pity if we lose such a buyer.
    1. alekc75
      alekc75 18 May 2018 14: 15
      +8
      let them take impatience
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 18 May 2018 14: 30
        +8
        India has already run out of patience several times to wait for a good plane

        Are they waiting? or as usual until the last can not decide?
    2. Troll
      Troll 18 May 2018 14: 39
      +13
      Does the Ministry of Defense or the director of the plant report on the frequency of tests?
      1. yehat
        yehat 18 May 2018 14: 44
        +2
        offended crows.
      2. jetfors_84
        jetfors_84 18 May 2018 14: 48
        +4
        probably report from social networks lol
        1. the most important
          the most important 18 May 2018 15: 41
          0
          Quote: jetfors_84
          The first flight of the fighter modified in this way took place in Zhukovsky on December 5 last year.


          Quote: jetfors_84
          The tests were resumed in February of this year.

          I recommend reading the news carefully before writing comments. And you look silly.
    3. NN52
      NN52 18 May 2018 14: 43
      +18
      The tests are on. This makes me happy.
      And the rush here is useless.
      Some have already rushed with their wunderwaffle ....
    4. yehat
      yehat 18 May 2018 14: 46
      +6
      Indians themselves are to blame for the delay.
      thanks to their kooky, the program was delayed for a year and a half, because counted on financing.
    5. igorserg
      igorserg 18 May 2018 14: 51
      +1
      lived, if we lose technology ... apparently initially, when the Indians wanted to do everything it was bad, so we went to fgfa. and now apparently there is a thought "such a cow is needed by myself" :)
    6. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 18 May 2018 15: 09
      +2
      And we promised them to build some kind of plane? At his own expense?)))))
    7. alexmach
      alexmach 18 May 2018 15: 11
      +4
      With interruptions of two months, tests will have to be carried out for a long time.

      What nonsense do you think they can better see how they conduct these tests?

      There probably there is some kind of program for these tests, they don’t just fly at them like that, they try something, collect some data, process it, think about the results, and then make some changes on the basis of this data ( engine tuning, electronics, fuel, anything else). And they test again by testing new hypotheses.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 19 May 2018 08: 04
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        What nonsense do you think they can better see how they conduct these tests?


        Product 30 should have been put on airplanes as early as 17 years, as they said from all the talkers, but it turned out that more tests had not been carried out.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 19 May 2018 10: 30
          0
          Well, they probably lied ... or embellished, or talking heads do not quite understand what they are talking about. If it’s already flying, then in 2017 it was already clearly in hardware, and it was worked out at the stands, maybe more than one year.
    8. yaaazzz
      yaaazzz 19 May 2018 07: 21
      +2
      This is not for India. And the Su-57 is the aircraft that will be in service for the next half century. Therefore, it is not surprising that trials last so long.
    9. Bar1
      Bar1 19 May 2018 08: 01
      0
      something wrong is happening with this engine.
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 19 May 2018 12: 49
        +1
        In what sense is something wrong happening?
        Do you have any reliable sources or SPEAKED this argument for you for EVERYTHING.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 19 May 2018 12: 57
          0
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          In what sense is something wrong happening?
          Do you have any reliable sources or SPEAKED this argument for you for EVERYTHING.


          not that it means that the engine’s release dates are shifting and shifting, they specifically promised that the first fighters with the second engine will go by fall 17, so what? But nothing.
          1. Wild_grey_wolf
            Wild_grey_wolf 19 May 2018 13: 20
            +1
            Who exactly promised to whom and when? This is secret data.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 19 May 2018 14: 03
              0
              Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
              Who exactly promised to whom and when? This is secret data.

              and watch the Internet
              1. Wild_grey_wolf
                Wild_grey_wolf 20 May 2018 07: 50
                +1
                Well, as I understand it, you are expressing claims to the Internet for what it is not good. And the engine is somehow doing this wrong Internet.
                Well now the logic is clear everything is fine.
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 20 May 2018 13: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
                  Well, as I understand it, you are expressing claims to the Internet for what it is not good. And the engine is somehow doing this wrong Internet.
                  Well now the logic is clear everything is fine.

                  I just don’t feel like digging, that the product 30 should be ready for a long time every year since the 14th year it’s been written. Here it should be ready in a year, here it should be ready in a year. And now you are on to 19 or 20 or to 25, India for example just tired of waiting, in short nichrome is not clear.
                  1. Wild_grey_wolf
                    Wild_grey_wolf 20 May 2018 14: 24
                    +1
                    Who wrote exactly about this and what is the status of secrecy of the one who wrote? Statements can be made by anyone, but this is no reason to consider this a source from the manufacturer. Where problems with product 30 are indicated, they calmly work it out without fuss, this is for sure a fact. . . Who is tired of waiting for India, who is talking about this? what sources. Here the leadership of India meets with the leadership of Russia and declares a completely different example. Do you believe anyone with biased information about paid from the West that spreads rumors to undermine trade relations? Well, it's up to you.

                    Here is the official statement by the Indian Minister of Defense at a meeting with Shoigu: F-35 is not interested! The Indian Ministry of Defense said they were fundamentally ready to buy the Su-57.

                    This is the point of ranting of what one grandmother said, less read any NON-FUNNY and do not try to spread it.
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 20 May 2018 16: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
                      Who wrote exactly about this and what is the status of secrecy of the one who wrote? Statements can be made by anyone, but this is no reason to consider this a source from the manufacturer. Where problems with product 30 are indicated, they calmly work it out without fuss, this is for sure a fact. . . Who is tired of waiting for India, who is talking about this? what sources. Here the leadership of India meets with the leadership of Russia and declares a completely different example. Do you believe anyone with biased information about paid from the West that spreads rumors to undermine trade relations? Well, it's up to you.

                      Here is the official statement by the Indian Minister of Defense at a meeting with Shoigu: F-35 is not interested! The Indian Ministry of Defense said they were fundamentally ready to buy the Su-57.

                      This is the point of ranting of what one grandmother said, less read any NON-FUNNY and do not try to spread it.

                      Director General of Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Gagarina, Alexander Pekars, said in an interview with TASS that the second-stage engine for the fifth-generation fighter of the fifth generation T-50 PAK FA (a promising front-line aviation complex) is ready. And that his tests are currently being conducted. Thus, the serial production of the aircraft, scheduled for the end of 2017, will be made with this engine. Fears that the first T-50 samples will begin to enter the Air Force with the previous, less effective engine modification did not materialize. The aircraft will go into the series with all the systems and assemblies provided for in the design, specially created for it.

                      you often participate in discussions about this, I looked in the archive and that did not read this? The engine was ready in 16goda. And what again did not grow together? And this is not the only message there were others. You are a talker.

                      https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/155819/
                      1. Wild_grey_wolf
                        Wild_grey_wolf 20 May 2018 18: 50
                        +1
                        Well, for example, information from December 2017. And that here it is reported that everything is going according to plan and it is clear that the product is new and will be brought to mind. But something is not planned and some difficulties with implementation or where there are no messages from official representatives.

                        Whether the participants of the PAK FA program will be able to meet the deadlines will be clear in the near future. To date, they have been able to implement a number of stages of the program and the entire course of the latter, in general, may be a reason for optimism. There is no reason to doubt the possibility of successful completion of work on time.
                        This summer, the command of the aerospace forces and the leadership of the aircraft industry announced plans for the near future, affecting the mass production and supply of Su-57 fighter jets. It is alleged that in 2018-19 the army will receive an installation batch of 12 such machines. 10 aircraft from 12, intended for trial operation, will receive the engines of the first stage - AL-41Ф1. Two other machines will have to match the appearance of the serial fighter. Apparently, the words about the serial appearance implied including the engines "Product 30".


                        Are you a talker to me? You haven’t confused anything with the mirror, sit chatting, I ask where specific statements are and I’m chatting something here. It directly smacks of adequacy and solid logic.

                        Again, I write the official representatives of India report one thing, and not one grandmother said from America and I am BOLTUN NU-NU.
    10. Days
      Days 19 May 2018 16: 39
      0
      Quote: the most important
      With interruptions of two months, tests will have to take a long time. India has already run out of patience several times to wait for a good plane. It’s a pity if we lose such a buyer.

      And the option for India does not provide for the installation of a second stage engine. So they do not care. In general, in any case, they will be capricious.
  2. Е2 - Е4
    Е2 - Е4 18 May 2018 14: 09
    +5
    This is essentially a new engine of the third stage, for obvious reasons they do not say let everyone think that they are testing the engine of the second stage. The engine of the second stage is accepted and is in full operation. I think everyone understands why this is being done, 6th generation airplanes are on the nose, and to throw a desu they went to this trick
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 18 May 2018 15: 13
      +7
      The engine of the second stage is accepted and is in full operation.

      And ... here Ostap suffered ..
    2. just exp
      just exp 18 May 2018 17: 25
      +1
      and you guessed it?
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 18 May 2018 19: 12
      +2
      Quote: Е2 - Е4
      The engine of the second stage is accepted and is in full operation.

      I dare to ask, but the engine of the fourth stage is not tested, no?
      Quote: Е2 - Е4
      I think everyone understands why this is being done, 6th generation airplanes are on the nose, and to throw a desu they went to this trick

      Up to the 6th generation, the world is still as far as China, according to Plastunsky, backwards.
      Even there is no definite and clear concept for the 5th generation, but about the sixth I generally am silent. Look at the operation. of our twinkles, dryers, mattresses efok ... how many are they already in operation? About 40 years. And while they are modernizing and no one writes them off to retirement. The lizard and our SU-57 will be in service for another 50 years. What 6 generation are you talking about, dear?
      Sound the concept and requirements for the 6th generation.
      1. For example
        For example 18 May 2018 22: 33
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Sound the concept and requirements for the 6th generation.

        Yes, without a bazaar:
        Flies everywhere - in the air and to the moon
        Dispensed with hydrocarbon fuel
        Armament without gunpowder and hydrocarbon
        Not detectable by existing detection tools
        It is controlled both by the pilot and in unmanned mode
        Maximum 3G pilot overloads during maneuvers at the second space speed

        Somehow wink laughing
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 18 May 2018 22: 35
          0
          Quote: For example
          Somehow

          Thanks, I've already watched Star Wars. laughing
          1. For example
            For example 18 May 2018 22: 42
            +1
            And I about that. Everything has long existed, ask any intelligent person watching Hollywood. wassat
            1. viralig
              viralig 20 May 2018 01: 19
              0
              For your requirements for the 6th generation and fundamental knowledge there is currently NO, and the next 50 years (at best) are not expected. There are also problems with the 5th generation.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 May 2018 12: 16
        0
        They have been working on the sixth generation in Russia for the fourth year already, in the USA since 2008. They will take off before the age of 30.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 19 May 2018 12: 19
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          They have been working on the sixth generation in Russia for the fourth year already, in the USA since 2008. They will take off before the age of 30.

          Before you write nonsense, you would first have a look at how much time fighter aircraft of the 4th and 5th generation have been developing.
  3. Seaflame
    Seaflame 18 May 2018 14: 13
    0
    Interestingly, stealth problems are on the agenda of designers and developers of the Su-57?
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 18 May 2018 14: 23
      +5
      no of course - no stealth, no problem))) a joke
      All the same, it seems to me that stealth for our designers is not as important as the ability of the airframe to maneuverability and overload
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 18 May 2018 14: 37
        +7
        Quote: JonnyT
        All the same, it seems to me that stealth for our designers is not as important as the ability of the airframe to maneuverability and overload

        I think so. The concept of stealth is very vague. It all depends on the detection systems. There are no absolute invisibilities and will not be, but the capabilities of the airframe and power plant play a paramount role.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 18 May 2018 14: 43
          +8
          hi Stealth “partners” bother with stealth, but they think much less about maneuverability, relying on long-range combat.
          1. MPN
            MPN 18 May 2018 15: 11
            +11
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            hi Stealth “partners” bother with stealth, but they think much less about maneuverability, relying on long-range combat.

            You need to bother, only without paranoia, not put in the edge of the corner. The bottom line is who will notice someone faster ..., an alternative to stealth is a good radar that sees invisibility before, so it’s worth considering investing in stealth or in a radar ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 18 May 2018 15: 18
              +6
              Yes, there’s already infa that the Indian Su-30MKI Chinese J-20 was detected by the radar. Everything is good in moderation . yes
              1. MPN
                MPN 18 May 2018 15: 20
                +14
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Yes, there’s already infa that the Indian Su-30MKI Chinese J-20 was detected by the radar. Everything is good in moderation . yes

                What is it ..., they still have to turn off GPS and then the invisible plane will never find an invisible airfield ... yes
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 18 May 2018 15: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: MPN
                  they also need to turn off GPS and then the invisible plane will never find an invisible airfield ...

                  good Rjunimagu! drinks
                  1. MPN
                    MPN 18 May 2018 15: 26
                    +7
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    Quote: MPN
                    they also need to turn off GPS and then the invisible plane will never find an invisible airfield ...

                    good Rjunimagu! drinks

                    drinks
                2. helmi8
                  helmi8 18 May 2018 19: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: MPN
                  im still disable gps

                  Only our pilots can fly in a pack of Belomor! laughing
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 18 May 2018 16: 03
            +4
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            : betting on ranged combat.
            Pasha, for some reason I remembered Archimedes: “Give me a foothold, and I will turn the world upside down.”
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 18 May 2018 16: 07
              +3
              Fighting in the computer and in real life are two different things. But the mattresses apparently do not think about it.
        2. Lesorub
          Lesorub 19 May 2018 23: 00
          +1
          Quote: helmi8
          I think so. The concept of "stealth" is very vague

          Et, you as a specialist write ??! Or so by the way ?! )))
          1. helmi8
            helmi8 19 May 2018 23: 35
            +1
            Quote: Lesorub
            Et, you as a specialist write ??! Or so by the way ?!

            And guess three times. Stealth optical, thermal, electronic - what kind of speech? If you carefully read my post, then it says further there - it depends on the means of detection. And as a specialist I’ll tell you - not a single material object can be absolutely invisible. smile
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 18 May 2018 14: 25
      +1
      Quote: Seaflame
      are on the agenda

      Why are you interested in this? it seems to you that su57 is not subtle, explain.
      1. Seaflame
        Seaflame 18 May 2018 14: 40
        +1
        Interested in because I want the Russian Aerospace Forces to have an advanced and efficient aircraft. Western experts and Indian customers write about the insufficient stealth of PAK FA.
        1. andranick
          andranick 18 May 2018 14: 58
          +4
          "Not enough" to do what?
          1. Seaflame
            Seaflame 18 May 2018 15: 08
            +2
            To gain dominance in the air, to confront a potential enemy with military aircraft (F-22, F-35), including long-distance ones.
            1. andranick
              andranick 18 May 2018 15: 23
              +6
              And why do you think that the characteristics of the Su-57 for its intended use is not enough? Can you lay out the tactics of using the Su-57 in aerial combat, an outfit of forces and assets?
              1. Seaflame
                Seaflame 18 May 2018 15: 25
                +1
                No, of course, I’m not supposed to by VUS)
                1. andranick
                  andranick 18 May 2018 15: 26
                  +3
                  And it’s a pity it would be interesting, otherwise people don’t know ... Secret, sir ..
                  1. Seaflame
                    Seaflame 18 May 2018 15: 39
                    +1
                    In the sense, it’s not a secret, but simply outside my competencies. And clevering poorly knowing the subject area is bad manners.
                    1. andranick
                      andranick 18 May 2018 16: 20
                      +3
                      I’m just saying that the General Staff can only judge “enough or not”. And therefore I agree, you do not need to be clever.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 18 May 2018 15: 15
          +1
          Apparently not. Pay attention to the engine, it has not even been covered with any cover, and probably will not be covered ...
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 18 May 2018 15: 24
          +4
          like that:
          statement - an increase in stealth affects the aerodynamic properties of the aircraft (f117 as an example) i.e. 5th generation aircraft need a super-throttle engine and still the aircraft will be with mediocre performance characteristics.
          The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to make the aircraft inconspicuous only in the frontal projection, so that the aircraft would remain super-maneuverable for close air combat (it is believed that invisibility plays no role in close combat).
          in theory: two aircraft go to rapprochement and do not "see" each other, when approaching, they discover each other and begin close combat ... ours win .... laughing
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            1. Korax71
              Korax71 18 May 2018 18: 17
              0
              Lose the current. Look at your comments, otherwise it’s not an hour’s sent to the bathhouse hi
          2. vadimtt
            vadimtt 18 May 2018 16: 35
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            With the front surface of the Su-57, not everything is smooth, there is no S-shaped channel in the air intake (because if it is, then goodbye cruising supersonic). True, they say something there about the special coating of compressor blades ...
          3. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 18 May 2018 18: 27
            +2
            "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to make the aircraft inconspicuous only in the frontal projection" ////

            And it didn’t work out very well ... straight air intakes. Through them you can see the engine blades, which give a clear mark on the radar. In addition, a cockpit with a clear line of transition from the fuselage - another "notch" for the radar, is roughly planted. And similar flaws.
            In total, the frontal EPR will be about 0, 5 -1 m2. Which is completely insufficient for stealth.
            1. YELLOWSTONE
              YELLOWSTONE 18 May 2018 20: 03
              0
              the eye can see, not radar, the glass is translucent yes
            2. Albert1988
              Albert1988 18 May 2018 20: 27
              +1
              What you describe is obvious only from the philistine point of view, at least from the point of view of a specialist who is completely unfamiliar with the design of the machine. How it is in reality in reality, we can only find out if all of a sudden the Americans irradiate something thoroughly with the 57th radar and publish these results publicly. Do you believe that?
            3. ver_
              ver_ 22 June 2018 07: 42
              0
              ... that hell knows - it’s kind of like sitting on your backside, and not even on a chair at all, and how a fist * caught * it’s not at all clear - he does not have invisibility ..
          4. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 19 May 2018 11: 19
            0
            Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation a decision was made to make the aircraft inconspicuous only in front
            yeah, and left the blades of the engines that are visible in the air intakes, as a result, the EPR in the frontal projection will be about a meter, 10 times better than the su-27, but several orders of magnitude more than the f-35, and who will be the first to see whom?
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 19 May 2018 17: 15
              0
              Quote: _Ugene_
              yeah and left the engine blades open,

              Have you seen these shoulder blades? Through the air intake?
              1. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 19 May 2018 18: 01
                +1
                In my opinion, everyone on this forum has already seen them, once 10 rubbed this topic, once again especially for you -


                as well as f-35
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 19 May 2018 23: 10
                  0
                  the essence does not change, but it's still F-22
                2. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 19 May 2018 23: 11
                  0
                  And 100 times in response to such pictures answered - that this is NOT the engine blades - this is the fan, the blades are located directly behind the nozzle, and the fan, due to the materials from which it is made, will not be so noticeable ... And if you pay attention, then the engines have Su-57 at an angle, that is, the blades themselves are very well closed there ...
                  1. _Jack_
                    _Jack_ 20 May 2018 00: 16
                    0
                    which fan? what does he vent there?
                    due to the materials of which it is made it will not be so noticeable
                    plastic or what?
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 20 May 2018 20: 03
                      0
                      Quote: _Jack_
                      plastic or what?

                      Composite ... wink
                      It’s difficult to make blades of composites — they are in the very middle of the jet stream, and the fan, compared to blades, is nothing to make composite.
                    2. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 20 May 2018 20: 06
                      0
                      Quote: _Jack_
                      which fan? what does he vent there?

                      Read the jet engine diagram ...
                      1. _Jack_
                        _Jack_ 20 May 2018 21: 14
                        0
                        Well, what's the difference? the fan is radio-transparent, and behind it are metal blades that reflect, in any case, since the air intakes are short and open, then the radio waves freely reach the metal insides of the engine and are reflected
                    3. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 20 May 2018 21: 29
                      +1
                      they don’t write anything but with special cover and it reflects into the air intake which from the Su-27 stands out where the wave is extinguished, so they dispensed with the S-air intake, by the way there was an article where it was written
                      1. _Jack_
                        _Jack_ 20 May 2018 21: 37
                        0
                        One radio-absorbing coating cannot solve the problem, otherwise it would be possible to make stealth from any 4th generation aircraft simply by coating it, most of the stealth technology is the surface shape, in this case we have open access to the engine, it will reflect very strongly
                      2. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 20 May 2018 22: 21
                        0
                        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
                        they don’t write anything but with special cover and it reflects into the air intake which from the Su-27 stands out where the wave is extinguished, so they dispensed with the S-air intake, by the way there was an article where it was written

                        Exactly! Moreover, the Su-57 engines are at an angle, so that the blades are closed by other parts.
                    4. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 20 May 2018 21: 42
                      +1
                      it was written not only about the coating but also about the shape and about re-reflection into the air intake of a special shape, the radio waves and light are reflected differently, through the radar blocker the F-117 engine can also be seen with the eye, the SR-71 can be seen with the eye but it is worse seen in the radar
                      1. _Jack_
                        _Jack_ 20 May 2018 22: 41
                        0
                        Where are the F-117 engines visible?


                        the fact of the matter is that there is a radar blocker, but where is the su-57?
                        You can close the engine for stealth either with the S-shaped air intake channel as in the F-22, or with the radar blocker as in the F-117, or a combination of these methods, the Su-57 doesn’t have either, unfortunately
                    5. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 20 May 2018 23: 06
                      +1
                      in the shade, you’ll walk close by in the light behind the grid you will see, it’s the radar blocker
                      it was possible to close because on the Su-57 only they lacked the mind, because on the F-22 and F-35 they were repelled from invisibility by the eye
                      1. _Jack_
                        _Jack_ 20 May 2018 23: 10
                        +1
                        By the way, yes, I found that the information on the network that what we are discussing is not a fan, but a radar blocker.
                        The transition between the stealth mode and high traction mode is carried out by twisting partitions made of RPM.
                        If this is a radar blocker, then another thing
                    6. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 20 May 2018 23: 38
                      +1
                      he is always in stealth mode
    3. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE 18 May 2018 20: 02
      +1
      difference from the Su-27 and the similarities with the F-35 see?
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 May 2018 14: 36
    +3
    "One can ask so many questions that 100 wise men will not answer" (c) V.I. Lenin PSS Volume 8 p. 15, work "How can we transform RabKrin"
  5. bogart047
    bogart047 18 May 2018 14: 47
    +6
    everything is correct. Mattresses hurried and bought a bunch of planes supposedly new, but with a bunch of problems. in reality they are almost never used, jambs are caught, they complain about the price of service. It’s better that our people test well and put fully working machines, than to suffer so much.
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 18 May 2018 15: 04
      +7
      Quote: bogart047
      It’s better that our people test well and put fully working machines, than to suffer so much.

      How well do not test - all the same, in the process of operation, one or another shortcoming appears. Therefore, in the order of things, when in the process of operation directives come from the Air Force GI to carry out improvements. The same goes for extending the life of non-individual units or completely on an aircraft.
    2. Lesorub
      Lesorub 19 May 2018 23: 15
      +1
      Quote: bogart047
      Mattresses hurried and bought a bunch of planes supposedly new, but with a bunch of problems. in reality they are almost never used, jambs are caught, they complain about the price of service. It’s better that our people test well and put fully working machines, than to suffer so much.

      The States can afford it, for them green papers are not a problem, but for us the lag in the aviation sphere is obvious (about 20 years), and under the Union they were catching up, how unfortunate!
  6. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 18 May 2018 15: 16
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    Well, the tests are ongoing. By the year 20, I hope we will see the pride of our VKS in all its glory.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 May 2018 12: 24
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      11 years of testing - it’s something that is pulling nonsense, to see the problems with the new dryer, why the engine for it was not started to be done in parallel with the glider, something suggests that the MO will extend this project until the creation of the sixth generation, they will continue to buy Su 35, and Su 57 will be exported.
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 19 May 2018 13: 01
        +1
        Based on what do you make such a conclusion?
        Are you an expert and do you have accurate data?
        If you start from the history of aviation development, everything goes according to plan.
  7. ver_
    ver_ 19 May 2018 14: 19
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    Quote: alexmach
    With interruptions of two months, tests will have to be carried out for a long time.

    What nonsense do you think they can better see how they conduct these tests?

    There probably there is some kind of program for these tests, they don’t just fly at them like that, they try something, collect some data, process it, think about the results, and then make some changes on the basis of this data ( engine tuning, electronics, fuel, anything else). And they test again by testing new hypotheses.

    ..a hypothesis is at least about what?
  8. ver_
    ver_ 19 May 2018 14: 23
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    "One can ask so many questions that 100 wise men will not answer" (c) V.I. Lenin PSS Volume 8 p. 15, work "How can we transform RabKrin"

    ... more of Marx, Diogenes and Christ the God of Copper ..
  9. Bar1
    Bar1 20 May 2018 19: 37
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    Wild_grey_wolf,
    Well, for example, information from December 2017. And that here it is reported that everything is going according to plan and it is clear that the product is new and will be brought to mind.



    phew, did you read Director Pekarsh's conversation that I gave you, which you strongly requested? He said that
    SECOND STAGE ENGINES ARE READY ALREADY IN 16G.!!!!! According to what plan, according to American or Jewish?
    or would you just chat?
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 20 May 2018 20: 15
      +1
      Where is it indicated that something is going wrong and not according to plan? ? ?
      Who will reveal the secret data to you? For what purpose did they say dis. information or really who will tell you is an information war. . . you see with your eyes, they start flying, they work on further, there is progress. And to draw the mind conclusions from statues and news stories, well, from not a big mind. I look WORD Chatterbox hooked to see a casual topic is not casual. Well, nothing happens to anyone.

      I didn’t write a single statement, and I didn’t make conclusions from my finger like some, in order to be considered a BOLTUN.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 20 May 2018 22: 43
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        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        And to draw the mind conclusions from the statues and news stories, well, from not a big mind.

        the fact of the matter is that now misinformation and lies are elevated to the rank of politics and you don’t understand where the truth ends and the lie begins. If such figures as the director of KNAAZ lie, then who can we be trusted to believe and in general what we are doing here? As for product 30, everything is definitely not going well with it, I think the engine is ready, but it is not being put into production, someone is holding a start.
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 21 May 2018 07: 15
          +1
          In what place is everything okay? Your article indicates the engine is ready plans for production at the end of 2017, in fact now in 16 years they made tests and all systems on the earth worked out, by 2017 they prepared to start flight tests, now they write that at 18-19 a pair of engines for a production model, where is the problem here? You generally know how very technological things are sent to life and how they are tested and re-checked. Then if the sensor works in a rocket, they sort it out and postpone it for a month if not a restart, and this new product is tested so that it goes through its entire life cycle, it flies by for a short time, all systems are disassembled to the base, we tested metal, you just think such a pause. These are not problems, but routine tests and ash pepper plan one thing, but for example, they took it apart and took more time, it took a graph to move and move, this does not mean that the problem is.
          You are quite technically weak, if they write to you that do not draw conclusions on the writings and I am not alone, but. . .
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 21 May 2018 08: 48
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            Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
            in fact, now in the year 16 they made it, they tested it, they worked out all the systems on earth, to

            how do you know what is "on earth"? Baker said the engine is READY.
            Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
            You are quite technically weak, if they write to you that do not draw conclusions on the writings and I am not alone, but.

            Well, of course, you are "strong" in technical problems? Only such as you circle around your finger, like two fingers on the asphalt ...
            1. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf 21 May 2018 09: 08
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              Because in the beginning they conduct tests on the earth as it should, but it’s ready to be said in the year 16, then what should be tested where FALSE? Moreover, resource tests spend the entire service life in extreme conditions, you think this is 1 day of testing the finished product. And then only on the laboratory glider they carry out tests, then they are disassembled to the ground and all those inherent are confirmed. data, and then a trial batch and after some time they call it serial. And this is not 7 years and not 10 years. Look, the PD 14 has been flying on silt 76 - the laboratory for how many years, and one of the 4 PD-14 engines. Testing confirm certificates so that it is possible to have access to flights around the world, this has been done for several years.

              Well, where am I going to get you the information "On the Internet they wrote, said." You won’t be fooled.

              The conversation weary of nothing with a man who knows little about those. plan, but making very deep conclusions TROUBLE that something is wrong, the guard.
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 21 May 2018 11: 04
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                Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
                Well, where am I going to get you the information "On the Internet they wrote, said."

                Well, we are of course from the Internet, but of course you get the info directly from the Ministry of Justice?

                Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
                Because in the beginning they conduct tests on the earth as it should, but it’s ready to be said in the year 16, then what should be tested where FALSE?


                I see you do not understand Russian.
                Here you have old info, where black in Russian
                Type 30
                An alternative engine for the 5th generation fighter, under the symbol "Type 30". In the future, he can get the index "AL- ...". There are plans to bring it to mass production by 2017.

                According to June 2015, the technical design for the second stage engine is ready, design documentation is being developed. The first two prototypes will be assembled in 2015.

                http://wartools.ru/vvs-russia/mnogotselevoy-istre
                bitel-t-50

                these were the plans, and you and those with a short memory prefer to forget what you said yesterday and discuss what is falling into nothing today, then tomorrow you again forgot what happened today and so on.
                1. Wild_grey_wolf
                  Wild_grey_wolf 21 May 2018 11: 26
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                  Quote: Bar1
                  According to June 2015, the technical design for the second stage engine is ready, design documentation is being developed. The first two prototypes will be assembled in 2015.


                  What in this message does not correspond to what is happening now?
                  and who needs to learn to read information.
                  It is probably better to get information from the Ministry of Justice at least in one.

                  In Russian, so in case of your competence.
                2. Wild_grey_wolf
                  Wild_grey_wolf 22 May 2018 08: 36
                  +1
                  What in this message does not correspond to what is happening now?
                  and who needs to learn to read information.

                  I understand there is no adequate answer?
                  1. Bar1
                    Bar1 22 May 2018 10: 13
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                    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
                    I understand there is no adequate answer?

                    I’ve already told you several times, by the way, think about why the ready-made complex S350 and Mig35, Ak-12, A-971 were not put into production? This disease has the same symptoms.
                    I already doubt whether the advertised zircon will be or they will say that the dagger is zircon. It is pulled from the S-500. Although there is no money after the Dimon, but you hold on a lot, it becomes clear.
                    1. Wild_grey_wolf
                      Wild_grey_wolf 22 May 2018 10: 46
                      +1
                      Once again, I repeat, read your own article and compare it with the dates, where there are no connections, which indicate that something is wrong with the engine, do not skip the topic?
                      Everything that one can already have been framed, you see, they are deeply drawn into the Internet, everyone knows. And the Hindus are already outraged by you right? the Internet writes.
                      Do not watch the news what the meeting was yesterday.

                      And your competence is at the level of this, go outside, take a look at what really happens.
                    2. Wild_grey_wolf
                      Wild_grey_wolf 22 May 2018 19: 45
                      +1
                      As I understand it, a specific comparison of the dates in your article with how the product is being prepared will you not have?
                      I am interested in the logic sitting in this head and understanding of what is written.
            2. Wild_grey_wolf
              Wild_grey_wolf 21 May 2018 10: 19
              +1
              And one more look when I am registered and how many comments from me and when you and how many comments. The conclusion suggests itself, which one.
  10. Seaflame
    Seaflame 20 May 2018 22: 23
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    An article on our favorite Majumdar was published on InOSMI as the F-15 will overpower the Su-57))
  11. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 20 May 2018 22: 38
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    Albert1988,
    Moreover, the Su-57 engines are at an angle, so that the blades are closed by other parts
    Yes, with other metal parts, and what is the difference from which particular metal parts are reflected?
    1. _Jack_
      _Jack_ 20 May 2018 23: 16
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      found on the network that it’s not a fan but a radar blocker, the transition between stealth mode and high traction mode is carried out by twisting partitions made of RPM, then another thing
      1. YELLOWSTONE
        YELLOWSTONE 21 May 2018 00: 17
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        and what constantly prevents them from spinning and "blocking" and even at the same time to drive air? stop
        1. _Jack_
          _Jack_ 21 May 2018 00: 22
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          as I understand it, they don’t spin like a fan, the larger the area they cover, the more they absorb the radio waves but reduce the air flow - the draft decreases, you can adjust the modes from greater absorption of radio waves to greater draft
          1. YELLOWSTONE
            YELLOWSTONE 21 May 2018 00: 30
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            then spinning do not spinning, they do not close a large area from this lol
            you again seem to think that if it is not visible with the eye it is not visible in the radio waves, if the S-air intake is not visible when it is not made correctly then it will still appear on the radar
            1. _Jack_
              _Jack_ 21 May 2018 00: 34
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              presumably one plane is shifted relative to another and thereby the overlap area is controlled, how exactly they work can only be assumed, no one will tell us the details, the classic radar blocker is stationary, for example, the F-18 EF radar blocker
              1. YELLOWSTONE
                YELLOWSTONE 21 May 2018 00: 59
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                But are you sure that for example they generally show the present?