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In the care of the people. V.Matvienko: The retirement age should be increased, but smoothly

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Chairwoman of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko, who is the third civil servant in Russia by status, expressed her opinion on the pension reform. According to Matvienko, she supports “a smooth increase in the retirement age.” The head of the upper house of the Russian parliament believes that the retirement age in Russia should be increased, but “over time”.


RIA News Leads statement Matvienko:
I believe that this should be a very smooth, transitional, calm period. It is necessary to stretch the increase in the retirement age by ten years. For six months, smoothly, calmly. People will know and get ready. Every year to increase by six months the retirement age for both men and women.


Matvienko also adds that raising the retirement age will not be done by decree, law or order in the format of "they say, everyone will retire later on January 1 on January 2019."

In the care of the people. V.Matvienko: The retirement age should be increased, but smoothly


This is somewhat reminiscent of the parable about how the owner, who was very fond of his dog (cat), chopped off her tail in pieces ...

Recall that earlier, the head of the Russian government, Dmitry Medvedev, spoke out for raising the retirement age, saying that the decision would be made “balanced”.

And this is the proposal of the Ministry of Finance: to raise the retirement age for men by five years - to 65 years, for women by eight years - to 63 years. Option from the Ministry of Labor: an increase in the retirement age for women - up to 60, and for men - up to 65 years.
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  1. Greg Miller
    Greg Miller 17 May 2018 18: 54
    +41
    It is necessary to increase smoothly ... and to 100 age ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 17 May 2018 18: 58
      +18
      They chop the branch on which they sit ... Although why there ... they don’t face a fall down.
      1. Alber
        Alber 17 May 2018 19: 09
        +77
        Quote: 210ox
        They chop the branch on which they sit ... Although why there ... they don’t face a fall down.

        This is not our government. Not ours ...
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 17 May 2018 19: 52
          +28
          Quote: Alber
          This is not our government. Not ours ...

          Putin's? Ouch! fool I ... Repent, repent ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 18 May 2018 05: 25
            +6
            Quote: Separ DNR
            Putin's? Ouch! I ... Repent, repent ...

            Not the Russian people.
        2. Logall
          Logall 17 May 2018 19: 55
          +59
          Quote: Alber
          This is not our government. Not ours ...

          How so - not ours? Is our! As one satirist said: "the people have the government that has it" ...
          The princes rule, who have not changed for many years. And there’s no need to say that Putin didn’t have enough time yet ... There was plenty of time! But the bottom line: those who governed pension reform are raising our retirement age ...
          But nothing, I will survive. But they are not until my retirement!
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 17 May 2018 20: 16
            +5
            Quote: Logall
            How so - not ours? Is our! As one satirist said: "the people have the government that has it" ...

            ERROR !!!
            The people have that governmentthat deserves ... (So at least it was said yes )
            1. Logall
              Logall 17 May 2018 21: 10
              +16
              Quote: Separ DNR
              ERROR !!!

              Sergey, I didn’t make a mistake either in words or in meaning!
              bolshoyvopros.ru/...narod...svoego...
              there are three authors who said one way or another: 1. "Every nation deserves its ruler" Socrates 2. "Every nation has something ... There is a modern use of this expression, the author of which is a satirical writer - "Every nation has a government that has it."
              then = such
              I can’t understand one thing: how did I deserve it? He earned a home! I, too, didn’t beg for a car ... I don’t use any benefits ... I pay to a pension fund ...
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 17 May 2018 21: 40
                +6
                Quote: Logall
                I can’t understand one thing: how did I deserve it? He earned a home! I, too, didn’t beg for a car ... I don’t use any benefits ... I pay to a pension fund ...

                () ...
                Quote: Wolf-Alligarch
                It’s your fault, only that I want to eat yes
          2. dr.star75
            dr.star75 17 May 2018 20: 16
            0
            He did not take a mortgage!
            1. Separ DNR
              Separ DNR 17 May 2018 20: 57
              +1
              Quote: dr.star75
              He did not take a mortgage!

              Hto? ? ? Medvedev ?? Right now we are him ...
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 17 May 2018 21: 03
                +2
                And they refused him "quick money", because he has not passed the PCA yet!
          3. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 18 May 2018 07: 09
            +7
            The princes rule, who have not changed for many years. And there’s no need to say that Putin didn’t have enough time ...

            It is interesting when it comes to people, the formula: the king is good - the boyars are bad this one is all bullshit for fools, they are all the same and the king and the boyars laughing
        3. Proxima
          Proxima 17 May 2018 20: 03
          +54
          Quote: Alber
          This is not our government. Not ours ...

          Let's see how it was OUR government (in 1932 under Stalin).
          If everywhere in the world the age limit was high, about 70 years old !!! belay . then against this background the retirement age introduced in the USSR, it turned out to be the lowest: it is 60 for men and 55 for women.
          But this is not all, in conditions of hard work men (workers and office workers) could retire at 55 years old if they worked in these conditions for at least 25 years; for women - 50 years, with experience of 20 years;
          in underground works, in hazardous industries and in hot shops - retirement was allowed for men at age 50, with at least 20 years of experience in these conditions, for women - 45, with an experience of 15 years;
          at that time it was difficult and hard to work in the textile industry, and female workers could also retire earlier, at 50 years old if they have worked in this industry for at least 20 years.
          My father is a miner, at the age of 50 he received a ceiling pension - 120 rubles fellow At that time, not everyone had such a salary! This is how the Stalinist government took care of the man of labor, of the man-creator! Need to remember how difficult these years have been! Is the current government even a little ashamed !?
          1. Dam
            Dam 17 May 2018 20: 13
            +11
            I am not for the promotion, but for the truth, and so the average life of a man is then 47 years.
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 17 May 2018 20: 24
              +9
              Well, if for the truth, then look at the birth rate at that time, and child mortality before the 5-year term. She is depressing! This is not a plus or minus, it is a statement of facts. Such a level of civilization at that time. And now, subtracting this indicator, you can calculate the average life expectancy at that time. hi
              1. Dam
                Dam 17 May 2018 20: 29
                +3
                Iiiii? That is, simply statistics on the average life expectancy of an adult do not suit you anymore?
                1. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 17 May 2018 20: 33
                  +11
                  No, not happy. Because, in view of the extremely high child mortality rate in the 30s, they are trying to justify the increase in the retirement age in our time. hi
            2. Dedall
              Dedall 17 May 2018 20: 35
              +51
              Dear Damm (Vladislav), are you also for raising the retirement age? From this I conclude that you are under 4 years old and you live either in the Mother See or in the Northern Capital. There you can find work and the old man. But you try to find it somewhere in Kirov or Tambov.
              As an example, I can cite our Novocherkassk, where there are only a couple of enterprises that are breathable: Electric and Electrod. I work in a hospital that serves the area with their employees. And often I hear from them that I got sick a couple of times a year and they fire you. And more often just people aged 45-55 years get sick. And if they fired from there, then there is no other job in the city. And that’s all - at least hang yourself ...
              So, let Madame Vice Premier first ensure the revival of covered enterprises and isolate us from goods from China and Turkey at dumping prices, and then pick up anything.
              1. Shkodnick
                Shkodnick 17 May 2018 20: 53
                +12
                Quote: Dedall
                Dear Damm (Vladislav), are you also for raising the retirement age? From this I conclude that you are under 4 years old and you live either in the Mother See or in the Northern Capital. There you can find work and the old man. But you try to find it somewhere in Kirov or Tambov.
                As an example, I can cite our Novocherkassk, where there are only a couple of enterprises that are breathable: Electric and Electrod. I work in a hospital that serves the area with their employees. And often I hear from them that I got sick a couple of times a year and they fire you. And more often just people aged 45-55 years get sick. And if they fired from there, then there is no other job in the city. And that’s all - at least hang yourself ...
                So, let Madame Vice Premier first ensure the revival of covered enterprises and isolate us from goods from China and Turkey at dumping prices, and then pick up anything.

                NEVZ, and he seems to be leading staff reductions, although Novocherkassk was once very saturated with industrial enterprises and factories, although the environmental situation was appropriate, he lived in a residential area next to the electrode-reserve ... And in fact, this old galosh, annoying he can’t know what hard work is just by changing his fur coats or shopping
                and what it means for a pensioner to live on these pennies (which is why they continue to work until they slander), she probably has the opinion that she is a walking example of a worker of retirement age.
                1. AlexVas44
                  AlexVas44 18 May 2018 07: 35
                  +4
                  Quote: Shkodnick
                  But in fact, this old galosh, bothering with only changing fur coats or shopping, cannot know what hard work is ...

                  Well, how did she know about hard work - heavier than a glass does not raise anything. drinks
                  1. 22 dmdc
                    22 dmdc 18 May 2018 14: 01
                    0
                    Sorry - half a glass.
                  2. alexs1833
                    alexs1833 19 May 2018 12: 21
                    0
                    she and the clicker say Valka a glass. laughing
              2. Geek
                Geek 17 May 2018 21: 05
                +19
                I live in Rostov, fell under the reduction of 14..and that's it ... and I'm 57 ..
              3. CYM
                CYM 17 May 2018 22: 03
                +12
                Quote: Dedall
                you live in either the Mother See or the Northern Capital. There you can find work and the old man. But you try to find it somewhere in Kirov or Tambov.
                Speak to the old man? In Moscow, after 45 years, working in a specialty is very difficult to find, after 50 years it is almost unrealistic. Himself now in a job search. You can’t get into unskilled work either, everything is clogged by immigrants from the republics of the former USSR. sad
                1. Dedall
                  Dedall 18 May 2018 00: 32
                  +14
                  Excuse me, CYM (Yuri)but it’s because I easily found work in both capitals and survived when I was sent there to study after retirement. And I had to work because for civilian personnel in the RF Ministry of Defense, the per diem on a business trip is still 100 rubles and they only give 550 rubles a day for hotel payments. This is at a real cost of 850 rubles per day.
                  In any normal country, I would study at the place of residence and shikovat on a medical salary. But they told me that they will study in Rostov for their money, because the Moscow Region can only send it to the VMA and its branch. Probably due to giving work to the teachers there.
                  So, for the first time, and it was in St. Petersburg and I was younger, I managed to find a loader job. Unloaded containers and wagons at the Moscow station. He worked for five months.
                  The second time, already in Moscow, I came to the clinic and I was immediately offered a job in the specialty, that is, as a doctor with a pay of 2000 per day. I worked for them for two months, after which I immediately received offers from two polyclinics to work with them on an ongoing basis for 80 thousand rubles a month. This is despite the fact that in Novocherkassk, a doctor pays 8 for the rate.
                  And summing up, I’ll say that Muscovites and those close to them do not know how the rest of the country lives. Probably, in their eyes is only a sleek picture from the RTG channel. In psychiatry, this is called systemic delirium, that is, the desired is seen instead of the real.
                  1. CYM
                    CYM 18 May 2018 23: 23
                    +1
                    Dedall (Alexy) my respect. hi I myself moved to Moscow in 2000 in search of work and what is the situation in the province, I still have relatives there, I know well. Until 2008, work and salaries in Moscow were really noticeably better than in the provinces. At the moment, the situation has changed a lot, look at the employment sites themselves. The size of Moscow salaries almost equaled the salaries in large provincial cities. Do not judge Muscovites by majors and keepers flashing on TV. Many Muscovites literally survive while working in several places. About transport, ecology, product quality, I generally keep quiet. I thought about retiring to return to the Caucasus, but now I'm not at all sure that I will survive. sad
              4. the most important
                the most important 17 May 2018 23: 11
                +14
                Quote: Dedall
                may Madame Vice Premier first ensure the revival of covered enterprises

                This "mistress" can only wag his tongue and stifle vodka with glasses.
                1. not main
                  not main 17 May 2018 23: 44
                  +3
                  Quote: the most important
                  Quote: Dedall
                  may Madame Vice Premier first ensure the revival of covered enterprises

                  This "mistress" can only wag his tongue and stifle vodka with glasses.

                  Did you bring the glass yourself?
              5. Dam
                Dam 17 May 2018 23: 13
                +5
                I am 47, I am categorically against raising the retirement age. Since an elementary miscalculation shows that if I live to retire, I will need about 60 years to simply return what was removed from me to the pension fund. But his post tried to say that this situation was, unfortunately, always.
                1. Victor N
                  Victor N 18 May 2018 08: 41
                  0
                  If everyone honestly paid to the Pension Fund, there would be no problem. Or if defaulters did not apply for a pension.
              6. cast iron
                cast iron 19 May 2018 23: 16
                0
                Mistress and gentlemen were chosen throughout the country in 2016 and 2018. No need to whine. The Russian nation is worthy of its masters.
            3. 210ox
              210ox 17 May 2018 20: 56
              +1
              In what years? During World War II?
              Quote: Damm
              I am not for the promotion, but for the truth, and so the average life of a man is then 47 years.
              1. Dam
                Dam 17 May 2018 23: 32
                0
                There, in the article, the date is 32, if that
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron 19 May 2018 23: 16
                  0
                  If anything, then in 1932 there was a famine in the country, in which more than 1 million people died. Read a textbook or something.
            4. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 17 May 2018 21: 11
              +4
              Quote: Damm
              I am not for the promotion, but for the truth, and so the average life of a man is then 47 years.

              The problem.
              Given: the Soviet Union, the average life expectancy at that time was 47 years and retired at 60.
              Question: How long was life expectancy all over the world at the same time if one retired at 70?
              1. naidas
                naidas 18 May 2018 00: 26
                +3
                Do not forget to adjust for child mortality:
                In the USSR, in the 20-30s, child mortality remained very high (up to 20-25% of children under the age of one year died). In the years 1932-1934, infant mortality among infants under 1 year in terms of 1000 was about 290-295. And this is only up to a year.
                In 2016, 11,4 thousand people who died before the age of 1 year were registered (11,3 thousand people excluding Crimea), which amounted to 6,0 per 1000 live births (i.e., 0,6%).
                And so long as the anti-aging medicine was not invented, as they were aged by 50-60 they are getting old.
            5. INTER
              INTER 17 May 2018 21: 46
              +7
              Quote: Damm
              I am not for the promotion, but for the truth, and so the average life of a man is then 47 years.

              And for the truth, why the person himself is not asked whether he wants this pension or not, if not, let him pay the worker here and now the full amount without deductions.
              Another point, someone did not live, often it happens, why do not they pay the accumulated amount to the family? Also by credit card, only compensation, if not mistaken.
              1. Dam
                Dam 17 May 2018 23: 16
                +1
                I completely agree with this approach. Indonesia has no tax, no pension, and no free medicine. But for me it's more honest
            6. Elk
              Elk 17 May 2018 23: 13
              +1
              A little off topic, but here’s what I’m thinking about. If the average life expectancy has increased 1.5 times (which is not a fact) and they also want to increase the duration of work, then it is also necessary to repay the debt to the homeland longer. All serve for another 1 year!
            7. Sasha_Sar
              Sasha_Sar 18 May 2018 10: 24
              +1
              Vladislav visit the nearby churchyard, read the date of birth and death on the tombstones and stop believing statistics. She is a "sale girl." I already wrote here, my father-in-law died at age 62. His daughter-in-law's mother and sister (40 years old) died of oncology with a difference of one year. You go to the cemetery, the last hair stands on end, and you are statistics ...
          2. Alf
            Alf 17 May 2018 22: 31
            +7
            Quote: Proxima
            Is the current government even a little ashamed !?

            I am ashamed. Because they didn’t raise it before.
        4. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 17 May 2018 22: 21
          +13
          Quote: Alber
          This is not our government. Not ours ...

          She is not a government, she is the pre-sov.Feda where senators from the regions sit. Also, the office is ineffective, but gluttonous for the budget, and therefore advocating for raising the pension ceiling, so that the elderly senators could have their trousers out of the way of regional affairs. If Owls. The entire Fed with the Matvienki and Narusovs manually cleaned the snow or scrubbed the leaves in autumn for a minimum monthly wage of a month, then they would hardly have required an increase in their retirement age. So they are not chopping bitches, but those who revolve around this bitch with a saw, so as not to overthrow them from above, for - whatever the people would not do, they would only get sick.
        5. tap
          tap 18 May 2018 07: 19
          0
          All so, this is the government 76% of voters
          1. Warrior-80
            Warrior-80 18 May 2018 11: 43
            0
            These 76% did not know that such a cat wakes up, I personally would not vote for Putin
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 18 May 2018 12: 17
              +1
              Quote: Warrior-80
              These 76% did not know that such a cat wakes up, I personally would not vote for Putin

              These 76% simply did not want to think about it. Today there is a “piece of bread” and a roof over your head, and good.
              Scarlet O'Hara Syndrome Whole Country
            2. cast iron
              cast iron 19 May 2018 23: 19
              0
              So you are a very stupid person. And stupid people must be deprived of suffrage.
        6. zloybond
          zloybond 18 May 2018 10: 15
          0
          It’s just that she’s probably again gobbled up somewhere with Babkina and from the future brings that death to others, she is hung
        7. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 19 May 2018 17: 57
          0
          Promote normal when healthy longevity is ensured.
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 17 May 2018 19: 34
        +16
        Quote: 210ox
        Cut the branch on which they sit.

        More favorable reasons for the State Department and not to find! And for the liberals, an ongoing topic for talk shows! You can blow up Russia from the inside out by pensions, retirement experience and utility bills! Started with age! And in vain! This age was born, studied and lived in the USSR! Yes, and served then! And he answered the awards: I serve the Soviet Union!
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 17 May 2018 19: 39
        +10
        Quote: 210ox
        They chop the branch on which they sit ... Although why there ... they don’t face a fall down.

        I, too, did not understand what they want to achieve with their antics, and now the thought comes that they have prepared a "pillow" of security for themselves, according to the budget rule, and when you have to dump everything from the country, everything is ready and you don’t have to hide anything, therefore, sanctions on these funds do not impose. This, of course, is all nonsense, but really what are they doing?
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 18 May 2018 00: 30
          +5
          Quote: lis-ik
          Quote: 210ox
          They chop the branch on which they sit ... Although why there ... they don’t face a fall down.

          I, too, did not understand what they want to achieve with their antics, and now the thought comes that they have prepared a "pillow" of security for themselves, according to the budget rule, and when you have to dump everything from the country, everything is ready and you don’t have to hide anything, therefore, sanctions on these funds do not impose. This, of course, is all nonsense, but really what are they doing?

          So their pension is not awarded in points as ours, but according to a completely different principle. It’s not just a pillow ... And given that now there’s going to be an excess of oil revenues ... So they will not only prepare a pillow but also a mattress with a blanket.
    2. Vend
      Vend 17 May 2018 18: 58
      +24
      I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age. It’s hard for people at 40 to get a normal job, and it’s also not easy to stay. Reduce, to give way to the young in this makes sense. Make retirement voluntary, but not in administrations and bureaucratic structures.
      1. Victor jnnjdfy
        Victor jnnjdfy 17 May 2018 19: 06
        +2
        Reduce no one will lower. But whether to raise age, you need to weigh everything well. The older the Russian man, the more he gets sick. A pensioner is treated with his retirement money, and the employee has VHI and 100% sick pay, because already have the necessary work experience. The employer may not reduce the debit with credit from the payment of sick leave to labor veterans.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 17 May 2018 20: 15
          +30
          Which sick leave? Kicked out on the street and all things. We are expecting a jump in the crime rate. And even more abruptly than in 90. Then they were running for Mercia, now the supply of cans in the cellar at the summer resident will become an object, along with the summer resident himself.
          It seems that the guarantor of the baryzhy power decided to take the scoops to the root so that they wouldn’t muddle the water and remember, crazy, about socialism and the welfare state.
          1. CYM
            CYM 17 May 2018 22: 23
            +4
            Quote: Essex62
            It seems that the guarantor of the baryzhy power decided to take the scoops to the root so that they wouldn’t muddle the water and remember, crazy, about socialism and the welfare state.
            Well, we’ll see who will tell anyone. About 14.05.2017 thousand gathered independently at a rally against renovation on 50/XNUMX/XNUMX in Moscow, without any politicians. The authorities then got very nervous, but they didn’t seem to make any conclusions that people shouldn’t be taken to extremes. angry
            1. Dam
              Dam 17 May 2018 23: 37
              0
              Yes, I would never have protested if I had been relocated for free from a Khrushchov to a new apartment. By the way, after the incident that I did not see articles about dissatisfied with the renovation.
              1. CYM
                CYM 19 May 2018 00: 33
                0
                Not so simple. Firstly, the list and results of voting for the inclusion of houses in the renovation were initially roughly rigged. Stalinization and five-story buildings built in the late 70s came under renovation, and these houses will last longer than the current monoliths. Secondly, many residents of five-story buildings are satisfied with transport accessibility, green quiet courtyards, well-developed infrastructure and few people want to move to 25-story concrete jungle in the industrial zone. Thirdly, the quality and safety of new homes is in great doubt. https://svpressa.ru/realty/article/196481/ Moscow authorities have already forgotten about many of their promises for renovation https://svpressa.ru/realty/article/195824/ Well, there are already the first "lucky ones". sad
                https://svpressa.ru/realty/article/193098/
                https://newizv.ru/news/city/29-12-2017/renovatsiy
                av-realnosti-zhiltsov-hruschevki-silkom-vygonyay
                ut-v-brakovannuyu-novostroyku
        2. Dedall
          Dedall 17 May 2018 20: 48
          +4
          Victor Jnnjdfy (Victor), now sick leave is paid by OFMS. And it is formed due to deductions from workers. But I’ll clarify that they work officially, and now half of the country is working informally or getting “gray” salaries. Moreover, no one thinks about old age and thoughtlessly spends everything on entertainment. And even children who would later be fed do not give birth. And if so, then we can predict the onset in 15-20 years of such times, when approximately somewhere around 80-90 million people aged 40-50 years will be without a livelihood. Can you imagine what will come then?
          1. Victor jnnjdfy
            Victor jnnjdfy 17 May 2018 22: 18
            +1
            "Employer" - I meant the State, which is planning a reform. An employer pays 5,1% of the RFP fund for medicine and less than a percentage for injuries. And what is the solution? Increase payouts for those who pay to cover increased costs? By the way, where I work, everything rests on those over 50. Young people only want to get money, not earn it. We agree to take on anything, if only they would pay more. Sometimes, having no idea about the work itself. And you are right. Many do not want to take any responsibility. If in terms of work they do not represent it out of ignorance, then as part of the family they do not want to answer for anything and for no one. Live for pleasure today. The prospects with us are not very bright.
            1. Sasha_Sar
              Sasha_Sar 18 May 2018 10: 36
              +1
              So thanks to our guarantor and his left-handed sidekick, we brought up a generation of normal consumers. That's it, 18 years old! This year in the army or navy. Kohl from Urengoy rule the ball. For three days I had to “break through the knee” of my two offspring 14 and 12 years old, so that they would learn and remember the deed of A. Matrosov, after looking into their history textbook.
      2. figwam
        figwam 17 May 2018 19: 07
        +15
        Quote: Wend
        It’s hard for people at 40 to get a normal job, and it’s also not easy to stay.

        Yes there is such a job that you can find when a person over 60 years old, I don’t understand?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 17 May 2018 19: 27
          +28
          Quote: figvam
          Yes there is such a job that you can find when a person over 60 years old, I don’t understand?

          I know one shot, in 58 he became chairman of the Accounts Chamber ... belay
          People (although what kind of people they are, washed their seats backwards all their lives) divorced from life. They need to put ultimatums, and not listen to this nonsense. The average life expectancy in Russia is calculated in such a way that everyone thinks that we have begun to live longer ... fool If mortality is higher than the birth rate, then talking about the fact that the population is aging is sarcasm. This children is not born ...
          You can’t keep the old-timers in power. The brains were carried out. And women in power generally allowed in a limited number. Let families take care of ...
          1. reservist
            reservist 17 May 2018 19: 31
            +6
            Quote: ROSS 42
            People (although what kind of people they are, washed their seats backwards all their lives) divorced from life.

            you listen to them, and you begin to suspect that they represent the life of a Russian pensioner
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 17 May 2018 19: 29
          +23
          figwam (Sergei)
          Yes there is such a job that you can find when a person over 60 years old, I don’t understand?
          Yes, they don’t give a damn about all the arguments to any Matvienko. And in general, they all do not give a damn about us. It’s only when we don’t care about them either. . Let them take a chance. No Russian guard will save.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 17 May 2018 20: 21
            +9
            It is unlikely. To kick the bourgeoisie, the last time the fighters had to work a lot. According to hard labor and health, to provide links. The chance was at 93m, while they had not yet become stronger, now it’s not realistic.
            1. Alber
              Alber 17 May 2018 22: 10
              +5
              Quote: Essex62
              It is unlikely. To kick the bourgeoisie, the last time the fighters had to work a lot. According to hard labor and health, to provide links. The chance was at 93m, while they had not yet become stronger, now it’s not realistic.


              In the 91st, such a pancake ...
        3. Vend
          Vend 22 May 2018 09: 41
          0
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: Wend
          It’s hard for people at 40 to get a normal job, and it’s also not easy to stay.

          Yes there is such a job that you can find when a person over 60 years old, I don’t understand?

          Yes, for a penny you have to work.
      3. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 17 May 2018 19: 11
        +28
        Quote: Wend
        I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age. It’s hard for people at 40 to get a normal job, and it’s also not easy to stay. Reduce, to give way to the young in this makes sense. Make retirement voluntary, but not in administrations and bureaucratic structures.

        Over 40 is not just difficult, but very difficult, and for those over 50 this is not at all realistic.
        They would first provide people with normal work, with normal conditions, and most importantly, normal wages, and then they talked about raising pensions! There are no normal words on them!
        1. MPN
          MPN 17 May 2018 20: 19
          +15
          Quote: Oleg147741
          and then they talked about raising the pension! There are no normal words on them!

          Where is the law on unearned income above all reasonable, where is the structure that counts a penny in the pockets of the hard workers, but in the bags of these ... I can’t find the words ..., dispossess and only dispossess ... And then the pension can be up to 50 years lower... angry
        2. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 18 May 2018 10: 44
          +1
          To do this, you need to turn on your head, and when to think about yourself, order? What if the year is not fruitful for the vineyards ?! In place of building factories, we put the money in the “capsule” of a likely partner. So it’s easier to live, no need to strain the brain.
      4. Looking Petrovich
        Looking Petrovich 17 May 2018 19: 13
        +16
        Quote: Wend
        I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age. It’s hard for people at 40 to get a normal job, and it’s also not easy to stay. Reduce, to give way to the young in this makes sense. Make retirement voluntary, but not in administrations and bureaucratic structures.

        What is incomprehensible here? Save budget money, and then divorced pensioners. Pence with us and live well: they only travel abroad, already caviar does not go into your mouth.
      5. Svarog
        Svarog 17 May 2018 19: 18
        +9
        Quote: Wend
        I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age. It’s hard for people at 40 to get a normal job, and it’s also not easy to stay. Reduce, to give way to the young in this makes sense. Make retirement voluntary, but not in administrations and bureaucratic structures.

        The meaning is simple, there isn’t enough money in the budget, there’s nothing to cut, retired too much, even though the pensions are so miserable, they want people to bend down ... Indeed, the government is anti-people and in 20 years they made only one decision for people - this maternal capital, and even then depreciated ..
      6. Black_Vatnik
        Black_Vatnik 17 May 2018 19: 21
        +18
        Here is a guide in which all the meanings are described and laid out on shelves.
        Matvienko’s son is a billionaire in five minutes. This is me, by the way)

        1. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 17 May 2018 20: 17
          +30
          [quote = Black_Jacket] Here is a manual in which all the meanings are described and laid out on shelves.
          Matvienko’s son is a billionaire in five minutes. This is me, by the way)
          Valentina Ivanovna will become! She left an indelible mark on her stay in St. Petersburg. She was awarded the order "For Sosuli Before the Fatherland" by Petersburgers for the fight against icicles, and put the stadium on the city budget, although Gazprom proposed building it much cheaper and in 2 years. Refused, like we’ll build it ourselves, gave it to the honest Honored Deripaska in a row for the construction, and letting the smoke screen disappear in Moscow, fight against Deripaska yourself! In general, the innovator is still that! Well, my son Seryozha has been treating addiction for so long, it was already a pity, but I started to seem to get rich and “suddenly” got rich, it happens! request
          1. Dam
            Dam 17 May 2018 23: 23
            +3
            Yes, and now we recall her with quiet sadness. The current Poltava is just a disaster. A son is a finished drug and an alcoholic
          2. Sergey ippon
            Sergey ippon 18 May 2018 00: 12
            +2
            villains .. and what can you do (
          3. voffchik7691
            voffchik7691 18 May 2018 12: 42
            +1
            “I’ve been treating Seryozha for a long time for dependence, it was already a pity, I’ve kind of gotten into it and“ unexpectedly ”got rich, it happens!”

            Maybe he just handed over the bottles, so he got rich ?!
      7. Felix
        Felix 17 May 2018 19: 32
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age

        More working people will pay contributions to the PF, fewer pensioners, higher than pension.
        1. reservist
          reservist 17 May 2018 19: 50
          +6
          Quote: Felix
          More working people will pay contributions to the PF,

          for this people (already elderly and with sores) the corresponding jobs are needed ...
          for example, to turn a steering wheel - not to sit in a senatorial chair ...

          fewer retirees, higher than retirement.

          and option: more economic growth and more taxes in the pension fund - from the field of unscientific fiction?
          1. Felix
            Felix 17 May 2018 20: 24
            +2
            Quote: reservist
            for this people (already elderly and with sores) the corresponding jobs are needed ...
            for example, to turn a steering wheel - not to sit in a senatorial chair ...

            There are different people. Not all wheel drive. In my brigade, half of the mechanics (railway connection) never went out into the field, all the work was monitoring conference calls and working with documentation. By the way, the oldest living pensioner next year is 100 years old. Of the men, the oldest is 74. Plus - there are working pensioners in the team. Youth, you ask? But there is no youth. Two girls came with a specialized education, worked for a year, went on maternity leave. And stayed in housewives. Another young man finishes this year with a university, but they said right away that he wouldn’t work on the ground, he would go to the directorate. That's the whole layout. Young people don’t want to work with their hands, they’re working as managers, but meanwhile there are more and more work on the ground.

            Quote: reservist
            more economic growth and more taxes in the pension fund - from the field of unscientific fiction?

            Do you think we have nowhere to spend taxes on? Look at the federal budget expenditures, more than 30% goes to social policy. Twice as much as defense.
            The gray economy must be woolly, it is necessary that all workers pay to the pension. Regardless of occupation.
            1. reservist
              reservist 17 May 2018 20: 53
              +1
              Quote: Felix
              Not all wheel drive.

              I remembered about the steering wheel, because there were two drivers among relatives of retirement age who, after 60 in health, were unable to continue working in their specialty
              Young people do not want to work with their hands, managers in the rod

              and young people will be transferred to where promising and monetary work is, nothing can be done about it ...
              Do you think we have nowhere to spend taxes on?

              taxes, like any other money, there is always where to spend, but since we pay the pension tax to the pension fund, we must at least live up to when these taxes return in the form of pensions
              1. Felix
                Felix 17 May 2018 21: 17
                0
                Quote: reservist
                taxes, like any other money, there is always where to spend, but since we pay the pension tax to the pension fund, we must at least live up to when these taxes return in the form of pensions

                Alas, if you create a pension only from the fact that hard workers pay in the PF, you will get miserable crumbs even in comparison with the current pension. And the recipients, meanwhile, except for hard workers - a wagon. Disabled persons, beneficiaries and others, other. That is, without state support, even the current size of the pension is impossible.
                1. kuznec
                  kuznec 18 May 2018 04: 27
                  +6
                  SW Felix, knowing the inside of a penny. system, I object: for each employee working in the PF, the employer deducts, basically, 22 percent each. from sn. This is not a tax, but a premium. Plus personal income tax 13 percent. Plus contributions to FFoms and FSS. In total, more than 40 percent. Forty percent, Karl! Forty! With every calculation! Apart from taxes on a house-apartment, transport tax, tax on 6 hundredths, a bloated excise tax on gasoline, etc. I’m not saying that by devaluing the ruble x..you wizards from the government and the central bank take trillions from our pockets rubles steeper than Harry Potter. They don’t even need a magic wand.
                  So do not talk about miserable crumbs. All this "support of the state" is the crumbs that the people pass after sharing the pie with the powers that be.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 18 May 2018 05: 38
                    0
                    Quote: kuznec
                    : for each employee working in the PF, the employer deducts, mainly, 22 percent. from sn

                    Not 34%?
                    1. kuznec
                      kuznec 18 May 2018 07: 10
                      +1
                      Igor, in the PFR - 22 (16 - insurance part, 6 - cumulative). In the MHIF - 5,1, in the FSS - 2,9, for injuries - from 0,2 to 8,5 (depending on the class of occupational risk).
                      This is if you earn less than a million a year. If more, then the contributions are greatly reduced.
                  2. Mikhail m
                    Mikhail m 18 May 2018 05: 40
                    +3
                    Quote: kuznec
                    Forty percent, Karl!

                    Plus 18% VAT, Karl!
                    And at one time they criticized tsarist tithing.
                    1. Felix
                      Felix 18 May 2018 13: 10
                      0
                      Quote: Mikhail M
                      Plus 18% VAT, Karl!

                      With all the salary?
                  3. Felix
                    Felix 18 May 2018 13: 09
                    0
                    Quote: kuznec
                    22 percent each from sn

                    So consider it. In order to provide a pension of 50% of your salary per pensioner during the year, you need to pay 2,5 years. And if your salary is equal to the minimum, which is often less than a pension? Then - 4 years.
                    You don’t write personal income tax there in general; it remains entirely in the region and has nothing to do with pension. Like payments to the MHIF. And the fact that you are putting everything in a heap of all taxes from both the employee and the employer is categorically not true, because if you remove this burden from the employer, your salary will increase by only 13%, that is, by the amount that the employer pays from the payroll fund. And the rest is payments from his profit, which are calculated as a percentage of the ZP fund, and which he does not have to pay you personally.
                    1. kuznec
                      kuznec 20 May 2018 09: 50
                      0
                      I wrote that the state in total has more than 40 percent of each employee’s salary. (And given the so-called "hidden taxes" - then much more). Where and how this money is spent - in the region, in the FIU or something else - is not important in this context. The state takes this money for itself, and spends it at its discretion. I replied to you in the sense that all the “state support” declared by you to pensioners still comes from our own pockets. You will not deny it?
                2. reservist
                  reservist 18 May 2018 17: 32
                  0
                  tax to the pension fund 22%, i.e. for a pension half of the salary for 2 pensioners there should be 5 employees
                  Suppose that on average they work with us from 25, receive a pension from 57.5, and live up to 72.5
                  let the population of Russia be 145 million, i.e. it turns out about 2 million people each year of birth, or approximately
                  - 50 million children and students
                  - 65 million working age
                  - 30 million pensioners
                  for a 5: 2 ratio between workers and retirees
                  - 68 million employees
                  - 27 million pensioners
                  those. it’s enough to “postpone” the retirement age by one and a half years, and not by 4-5 years

                  it is clear that the calculation will not be more or less real without allowances, unemployed and gray salaries, but how many are tens of millions?
                  If so, then the cause, not the effect, needs to be eliminated.
                  you work for a “gray” salary and don’t pay a pension tax - you will receive a social pension, etc. ...
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 17 May 2018 21: 17
              +2
              Excuse me, have you read fiction? I understand that he was fond of himself in his youth. Where's my black gun? On the big carriage! V. Vysotsky. Where is Vysotsky? He didn’t seem to be steelworking, and he didn’t plow virgin soil ... I imagine your 75 year old grandfather on a pillar in “cats” ... laughing
              1. Felix
                Felix 18 May 2018 13: 12
                0
                Quote: sabakina
                He didn’t seem to be in trouble, and he didn’t plow virgin soil ... I imagine your 75 year old grandfather on a pillar in “cats”.

                My great-grandfathers, great-grandfathers, alas, became extinct at a young age, and you a little in the wrong way imagine the work of a signalman.
            3. Sergey ippon
              Sergey ippon 18 May 2018 00: 14
              +5
              and maybe those who get 5 lyamas in the civil service per day will get wool? Doing nothing and demanding another 100% bonus?
              and they still have deputies, zamazamy ..
              1. Felix
                Felix 18 May 2018 13: 13
                +1
                Quote: Sergey Ippon
                and maybe those who get 5 lyam in the civil service per day will get wool

                Definitely yes.
            4. Skarpzd
              Skarpzd 18 May 2018 02: 50
              +4
              Colleague, I, like you, work at Russian Railways. senior electrician. safety devices and radio communications in transport. over the past 10 years, no one has remained to work on retirement! NO ONE! hard work, nervous. medical boards have tightened both for a flight to the moon. shaking every year in front of the medk. I will pass - I will not pass. they will not be allowed to work due to failure - that's all. at 52, finding a job by profile is fantastic.
              1. Felix
                Felix 18 May 2018 13: 18
                0
                Quote: Skarpzd
                Colleague, I, like you, work at Russian Railways. senior electrician. safety devices and radio communications in transport. over the past 10 years, no one has remained to work on retirement! NO ONE! hard work, nervous. medical boards have tightened both for a flight to the moon. shaking every year in front of the medk. I will pass - I will not pass. they will not be allowed to work due to failure - that's all. at 52, finding a job by profile is fantastic.

                Greetings colleague hi .
                And it will be even worse, they say from next year a loophole in the form of a 302 order will be removed and everyone will undergo a medical examination at 6C. However, the composition of the brigade allows me to “formalize” the formalized LAZ mechanic. A team - combined, LAZ, automatic telephone exchange, local network, PSGO and radio communications with a piece of haul 12 km from the station.
                The bureaucrats got it ...
                1. Skarpzd
                  Skarpzd 23 May 2018 08: 46
                  0
                  we’ve been going through the sixth for five years now. that's why I'm worried. how to donate blood or to a neurologist - I’m going with a box of chocolates. corrupter Mlyn ...
            5. Sasha_Sar
              Sasha_Sar 18 May 2018 10: 59
              +4
              With your lips and honey to drink. Only the entire population of our country cannot be arranged in Gazprom and Russian Railways. How many works on "private shops". As soon as this shop pays all taxes, the shop can be closed and go to the labor exchange.
              That gray economy need wool
              Believe the propaganda and commercials of the FIU and Tax, go ahead. And young people will not work on the land if there is no normal salary there. Normal is not from s / p to s / p, but so that it would be enough to support the family, pay the mortgage and loan for the car. The consumer society is formed by our rulers, and now you want them to become altruists with an increase in their retirement age? Tell me, do you believe that with the increase in the retirement age, our pence will heal better? Pensions will not grow by 4%, and so by 30-40%?
              1. Felix
                Felix 18 May 2018 13: 24
                0
                Quote: Sasha_Sar
                Believe the propaganda and commercials of the FIU and Tax, go ahead.

                My dear, in order to make the simplest calculations about the amounts paid to the Pension Fund, a school education is enough and there is no need for faith in propaganda.
                As for salaries, even the minimum wage must be earned. You want everything at once - a mortgage, a car, and office work with a long-legged secretary.
                1. Sasha_Sar
                  Sasha_Sar 18 May 2018 15: 50
                  +2
                  You tell the youth, and to me in the sixth ten with three boys, two go to school, and the third goes to kindergarten. Life does not need to be taught. I gave 16 calendars to the sovereign best of my life. And he would give more if it weren’t for the EBN in power. All that I have earned for years. I still do not have a passport, because the money that I earn on myself does not remain, everything goes to the children. The doctor’s wife swallows 12 hours every day. Do you think this is normally amiable?
                  1. Felix
                    Felix 18 May 2018 18: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Sasha_Sar
                    Do you think this is normally amiable?

                    Work to earn? Yes. I think this is normal. My working day is also irregular and I'm a little younger than you, I’m only fifty dollars. But the education of modern youth on a postulate imposed by series about a beautiful life, I think is wrong. You are from the USSR, you should understand that only through labor should a person achieve success and prosperity, or am I wrong in something?
                    1. Sasha_Sar
                      Sasha_Sar 21 May 2018 12: 21
                      0
                      Sorry, but you are an idealist. I really do not welcome those young people who spend money on night clubs, but if a young man plows honestly from morning to the "stop", he should receive what I wrote above. Youth is maximalism in everything. They gather information not only at school or in the kitchen, but also on the Internet. And there are Mary Baghdasaryan and the like. He asks himself a question, but why am I worse, only because I am Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov, and not Baghdasaryan or Majidov? There is another example, the son of I. Sechin, Ivan receives the Order "For Merit to the Fatherland" II degree.
                      “Ivan Sechin holds the post of first deputy director of the offshore joint projects department of Rosneft Oil Company.” He was awarded “for his great contribution to the development of the fuel and energy complex and many years of conscientious work”
                      . What !? At 25 years old, many years of conscientious work! I got my “sand” medal at the age of 29, and then the order! Why is my son worse than Sechin’s son? Plows at the age of 14, like “Papa Carlo”, two workouts a day, with one day off per week. Studying without triples.
        2. Vend
          Vend 22 May 2018 09: 42
          0
          Quote: Felix
          Quote: Wend
          I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age

          More working people will pay contributions to the PF, fewer pensioners, higher than pension.

          This is the logic.
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        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 17 May 2018 20: 01
          +10
          In the "bureaucratic structure" - retirement, just need to be made "forced" !!! 10 years worked - and "on the bench"

          This idea has been in the air for centuries. I remember one of the commanders said that the quartermaster after a year of service can be hung without trial.
          1. anatoliy73
            anatoliy73 17 May 2018 20: 08
            +4
            Like, Suvorov A. V. expressed his opinion (but I can also remember - very many things said this statement) hi
      9. lopvlad
        lopvlad 17 May 2018 19: 54
        +15
        Quote: Wend
        I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age


        everything is very simple, but you just have to die before the time for retirement comes. Your pension contributions to the FIU will be happy to share your pockets, your children will need them.
        The decision to raise the retirement age is taken at the IMF level, and here they simply take it under the hood and execute it, because the children study over the hill and real estate there.
        And what about the people? Yes, our people are patient and will quietly die, as in the 90s. By the way, do you know that in 2017 died more than born?
      10. helmi8
        helmi8 17 May 2018 19: 55
        +7
        Quote: Wend
        I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age.

        There is only one point - to reduce pension expenses from the budget. Instead of increasing the number of jobs (and correspondingly increasing the budget), they increase the retirement age ... What are they even thinking about? Rather - than ...
      11. dvina71
        dvina71 17 May 2018 20: 14
        0
        Quote: Wend
        I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age

        The meaning is simple, unload the payroll PF. Everything .. no one forces to work after the development of experience.
      12. Dam
        Dam 17 May 2018 23: 20
        +2
        They are corny enough money. And for the sake of objectivity, the point here is not theft, or not only theft. Our population is rapidly aging due to an increase in the quality of life, and a working-age population will soon be unable to provide for the disabled. In fact, the Pension Fund is a pyramid and it ends, plus a tendency has emerged towards the impossibility of stupidly investing money and making a profit above inflation
        1. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 18 May 2018 11: 10
          +3
          Our population is aging rapidly due to improved quality of life
          What quality of life are you talking about. In Moscow, quality may have grown, but in my regional center on the Volga, every year it is lower and lower. The population is aging because young people do not want to have children as early as possible and as much as possible. And there are objective reasons created by our rulers over 27 years. Already more than half can not have children, and IVF costs not three pennies and not the fact that it will help, but you will pay the money regardless of the result. The second half is not sure, but what will happen tomorrow? I completely agree with those who say that they want to make sure that the money in the FIU is paid, but could not get it from there, because of their death.
      13. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 17 May 2018 23: 24
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age.

        everyone finds his explanations !!! request request

        From 2007 to 2017, expenditures of the budget system of the Russian Federation for social purposes, the bulk of which are pension payments, increased from 25% of total spending to 36,3%.

        Against this background, the share of expenses on housing and communal services has drastically reduced: from 9,7% to 3,8%. The total expenditures on education and health decreased: from 23,9% to 20%.

        From 2006 to 2016, the number of old-age pensioners increased from 29,2 to 35,6 million people, i.e. by 22%. The total working-age population has increased over the same period by only 4%.

        https://vz.ru/opinions/2018/5/14/922542.html
      14. tap
        tap 18 May 2018 07: 29
        +2
        Your employment interests only you. The scheme is simple: take it from you now - and more, give less and later. The term of "survival" is then reduced.
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 17 May 2018 18: 59
      +18
      Well, ok! We have 76% of GDP, so they approve!
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 17 May 2018 19: 04
        +6
        According to Matvienko, she supports the "smooth increase in the retirement age."

        He wants to live "100 or more" and still remain a senator ...
        Strong aunt ...
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 17 May 2018 21: 33
          +11
          Quote: Separ DNR
          He wants to live "100 or more" and still remain a senator ...
          Strong aunt ...
          I propose on the site to organize a collective prayer service. The Japanese once used this, the Amer fleet got into a hindrance and the attack did not take place. In general, all this is sad. He got a job in 1986, got in line for housing, the USSR collapsed. They turned about socialism to capitalism .... But I was raised for 20 years and taught to live in a socialist society! How many yard guys disappeared for various reasons, HOW MUCH DIPPED TO THE BOTTOM .... It only remains to say: "sorry guys, I survived."
    4. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 17 May 2018 19: 04
      +14
      Gently and smoothly, you need to handle the girls, especially for the first time! Direct analogy is drawn ..... am
      Good luck To all non-retirees - live to retirement! hi
      There are no words .... some “aphorisms”! Above oil revenues, who shared them there on other branches - this is not for you.
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 17 May 2018 19: 36
        +1
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Good luck To all non-retirees - live to retirement!

        And those who are in the DPR and LPR in retirement were NOT READY, with hypothetical joining the Russian Federation, have to "refine"?
        1. reservist
          reservist 17 May 2018 19: 52
          0
          unlikely, as well as Russian citizens who have already retired
          laws take effect from the moment of adoption and retroactive
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 17 May 2018 19: 56
            +2
            Quote: Separ DNR
            And those who are in the DPR and LPR in retirement, REALLY, with a hypothetical entry into the Russian Federation, have to "refine"?

            Quote: reservist
            unlikely, as well as Russian citizens who have already retired
            laws take effect from the moment of adoption and retroactive



            Question purely rhetorical, for, we NEVER enter the Russian Federation ...
            1. reservist
              reservist 17 May 2018 20: 23
              +2
              I want to hope that you are mistaken ...
              but ... to know that such a Burkhalter in 2014 said GDP ...
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 17 May 2018 20: 33
                0
                Quote: reservist
                I want to hope that you are mistaken ...
                but ... to know that such a Burkhalter in 2014 said GDP ...

                Oh!, Oh!, Oh! And that "Oh", meaningfully ...
                1. reservist
                  reservist 18 May 2018 17: 53
                  0
                  What is the significance? I can’t see from the sofa what’s happening behind the Kremlin wall ...
                  but the content of that meeting could possibly clarify the reasons for that @ #% * &, which then began and will never end ...
              2. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 17 May 2018 21: 51
                0
                Quote: reservist
                I want to hope that you are mistaken ...

                I’m afraid that I’m not mistaken ... Or we’ll enter, but the RF, then, will be called differently ...
            2. dr.star75
              dr.star75 17 May 2018 20: 28
              0
              Never say never..... hi
              1. Separ DNR
                Separ DNR 17 May 2018 21: 53
                0
                Quote: dr.star75
                Never say never....

                Four(four !!!) years, fighting, we say so ...
            3. Sergey ippon
              Sergey ippon 18 May 2018 00: 19
              +3
              unfortunately grandmothers flooded the eyes of our rulers;
              and the people ... the people do not mind their campaign.
      2. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 17 May 2018 19: 59
        +2
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Good luck To all non-retirees - live to retirement!

        And at least 2-3 days to live on it yes ...
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 May 2018 20: 24
      +1
      Until retirement, he’s still 35 years old and, therefore, for all their increases - downgrades on the drum.
      1. vlad66
        vlad66 17 May 2018 21: 02
        +6
        Quote: Vadim237
        Until retirement, he’s still 35 years old and, therefore, for all their increases - downgrades on the drum.

        Vadim time will fly by quickly, but not 35, but 40 will have to wait. hi
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 May 2018 22: 38
          0
          Yes, what can I expect, I already have my own "pension" accumulated - for 500 years ahead is enough.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 18 May 2018 05: 44
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Yes, what can I expect, I already have my own "pension" accumulated - for 500 years ahead is enough.

            Do not promise. 15 years ago, I thought the same thing. But life has changed its course.
            1. Alber
              Alber 18 May 2018 06: 37
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Vadim237
              Yes, what can I expect, I already have my own "pension" accumulated - for 500 years ahead is enough.

              Do not promise. 15 years ago, I thought the same thing. But life has changed its course.

              Igor, he is a capitalist businessman. You can rest assured, like all capitalists and oligarchs, he settled down well, grabbed and provided for his descendants for many centuries ...
              1. Crossbill
                Crossbill 18 May 2018 08: 03
                0
                What kind of capitalist is he ?? So, forum platformer balabol ...
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 18 May 2018 10: 06
                  0
                  Just a businessman - own production and repair base in the Volgograd region, several services and an auto parts store in Moscow, as well as a decent portfolio of blue chips, unlike the rest of the "capitalists" he created all this from scratch, over 10 years.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 18 May 2018 10: 09
                0
                Excuse me - I didn’t grab anything from anyone, since in 2007 when I started, it was physically impossible, not what and where it was.
      2. reservist
        reservist 17 May 2018 21: 20
        +13
        it was so ...
        but someday, after 30-40 years, maybe you will have the prospect of losing your job ...
        1. Alber
          Alber 18 May 2018 06: 39
          0
          Quote: reservist
          it was so ...
          but someday, after 30-40 years, maybe you will have the prospect of losing your job ...


          ))) !! This formula really shows that the current government intends to give ordinary people
    6. Per se.
      Per se. 18 May 2018 05: 54
      0
      Quote: Greg Miller
      It is necessary to increase smoothly ... and to 100 age ...
      Better right away.
      And so daily to the pen, to the point
      And so on without end.
    7. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 18 May 2018 06: 54
      +3
      Quote: Greg Miller
      it is necessary to increase smoothly ... and until 100 years of age

      But yak! And then you can stop when it turns out that they do not live for so long! Just let Matvienko print the instructions: "How to get a job if you are for 90 ..." The best seller will turn out ... like hot cakes! fellow
    8. igor1981
      igor1981 18 May 2018 12: 09
      0
      Quote: Greg Miller
      It is necessary to increase smoothly ... and to 100 age ...

      If I had the same job (wiping my trousers (skirts)) as Matvienko’s, I would not mind retiring in 100 years. It’s clear that it’s impossible to expel all kinds of deputies, ministers, bureaucrats of different stripes and levels from their “work” (feeders).
    9. Ivan Ivanov
      Ivan Ivanov 19 May 2018 17: 55
      0
      It is better to ensure a smooth retirement of our governing estate.
  2. Elk
    Elk 17 May 2018 18: 54
    +18
    Die young - save the Pension Fund!
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 17 May 2018 19: 04
      +4
      I don’t want to die! All my life I honestly paid taxes and contributions, now I will live and take revenge on the pension fund, which means the state, including for the fact that I have not counted several years of experience! Let me get paid now.
      1. Dedall
        Dedall 17 May 2018 20: 57
        +3
        Our dear Tatar 174, revenge is necessary for specific people. But you won’t reach Moscow, but in your city you can easily break the windows in the mayor’s car, or whatever it is called there. Or you can do it to the main city Dumar. Yes, a lot of things can be done in protest. Just do it, for God's sake, technically, without a "pale". Maybe then someone will think about something somewhere.
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 18 May 2018 19: 37
          0
          Our dear Dedall Or maybe you will show a master class?
    2. Wolka
      Wolka 17 May 2018 19: 17
      0
      You’re wrong, colleague, you have to understand this: at first you’ll spend 20–25 years of work experience, you can do it if you have enough strength, and then you can meekly “retire” ...
    3. reservist
      reservist 17 May 2018 19: 19
      +1
      I found data for 2010 ... is it possible that over the past 8 years our elderly people have improved their health so much?
      1. Elk
        Elk 17 May 2018 19: 42
        +5
        Statistics, such a thing, it all depends on how you count. And what is the purpose of the count.
  3. adma
    adma 17 May 2018 18: 56
    +3
    The main thing is that they would not be sent to serve. wassat
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 17 May 2018 19: 06
      0
      There is a problem?...
      1. adma
        adma 17 May 2018 19: 09
        0
        Are you trading in warriors? ...
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 17 May 2018 19: 10
          0
          No, I just served once honestly everything is as it should be soldier
          1. adma
            adma 17 May 2018 19: 15
            +3
            So I’m saying that in the light of recent pension trends, they wouldn’t have been sentenced to serve another five years. request
            1. Tatar 174
              Tatar 174 17 May 2018 19: 17
              +3
              I would not mind)))
  4. Abram
    Abram 17 May 2018 18: 57
    +7
    the game "bad-good policeman" began Val - good, Dima - bad. this is strange, since the king usually plays good
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 17 May 2018 19: 32
      +25
      Quote: Abram
      the game "bad-good policeman" began Val - good, Dima - bad. this is strange, since the king usually plays good

      The Tsar apparently developed sclerosis, but most likely he didn’t spit on these 76,6% of those who voted for him, well, few people promised. Voted, then approve, get.
      1. Elk
        Elk 17 May 2018 19: 44
        +1
        Well, there are no contradictions. And the retirement age will not increase tomorrow and GDP may be tired and leave on December 31.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 17 May 2018 19: 57
          +2
          Quote: Elk
          GDP may be tired and gone on December 31st.

          No, he will not reach December 31, already in March 2024 he will say "I'm tired, I'm leaving." We will live ???
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 May 2018 20: 27
            +2
            And to see him off as president - will be with tears.
            1. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 17 May 2018 20: 36
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              And to see him off as president - will be with tears.

              Is that really so? I won’t be like that, for sure wassat hi
            2. Old Horseradish
              Old Horseradish 17 May 2018 21: 04
              +6
              Quote: Vadim237
              And to see him off as president - will be with tears.

              ... joy
            3. sabakina
              sabakina 17 May 2018 21: 40
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              And to see him off as president - will be with tears.

              He is not yet V.I. Lenin and not I.V. Stalin.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 May 2018 22: 39
                0
                In 6 years, it’ll become exact.
            4. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 18 May 2018 05: 46
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              And to see him off as president - will be with tears.

              Tears of joy? wink
      2. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 18 May 2018 05: 29
        0
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        The king apparently developed sclerosis

        Well, so you, yours (and in the course of our recourse ) Guarantor, mercilessly troll?
      3. Svetlana
        Svetlana 18 May 2018 12: 41
        +1
        Quote: Elk
        The king apparently developed sclerosis
        Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask. We have to live on. All this is gloomy ..
        Hey you up there
        There is no escape from you again
        I can’t listen anymore
        I am this your corps de ballet.
        To business - time to business - time,
        And fun - an hour.
        1. Elk
          Elk 18 May 2018 19: 25
          0
          Oops. The quote is not mine.
  5. dr.star75
    dr.star75 17 May 2018 19: 00
    +4
    I don’t understand something: the president at the inauguration said to fight poverty, and the ministers decided to raise the retirement age! They probably misunderstood something? request
    1. impostor
      impostor 17 May 2018 19: 05
      +4
      Poverty can be defeated in two ways, a costly campaign is not our choice ...
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 17 May 2018 19: 16
        +3
        It is planned to sharply increase the revenue side of the budget, then what have pensioners to do with it?
    2. Elk
      Elk 17 May 2018 19: 13
      +4
      And didn’t specify with whose poverty?
    3. Fedoslov
      Fedoslov 17 May 2018 19: 26
      +9
      The President is deceived, it’s not good, because he doesn’t know anything ... You write a letter to him that bad ministers are doing bad things behind him.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 May 2018 19: 53
      +13
      They probably misunderstood something?
      You misunderstood it. If the poor die quickly, then the statistics will remain big. And that means the government is on the right track.
      1. Alber
        Alber 18 May 2018 06: 45
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        They probably misunderstood something?
        You misunderstood it. If the poor die quickly, then the statistics will remain big. And that means the government is on the right track.

        Our leaders are leading towards this.
    5. lopvlad
      lopvlad 17 May 2018 20: 02
      +3
      Quote: dr.star75
      Something I don’t understand: the president at the inauguration said to fight poverty, and the ministers decided to raise the retirement age!


      everything is correct. The ministers honestly comply with the president’s order, namely, they are struggling with their poverty. So everything is right.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 17 May 2018 20: 39
        +3
        The president said to fight poverty, not the poor! The ministers again misunderstood!
    6. sabakina
      sabakina 17 May 2018 21: 44
      +2
      Quote: dr.star75
      I don’t understand something: the president at the inauguration said to fight poverty, and the ministers decided to raise the retirement age! They probably misunderstood something? request

      The Reds fought to ensure that there were no rich people. White struggled to ensure that there were no poor. Question: Who is in power right now?
      1. Alber
        Alber 18 May 2018 06: 49
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        : Who is in power right now?


        In power, the "God-chosen."
        And Moses promised them goy slaves. Each a few hundred. Slaves will plow for a penny and a handful of rice, and the god-chosen ones will enjoy the fun
  6. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 17 May 2018 19: 00
    +8
    Well, who is the next one speaking out from the ruling plutocracy? Kudrin? He will tell us that this was adopted in 1864, immediately after the abolition of serfdom, life expectancy was then 30 years and it was high time to abandon this archaic and move on to the latest approaches in world practice when a citizen dies 10 years before obtaining the right to retirement benefits!
  7. Lesorub
    Lesorub 17 May 2018 19: 02
    +4
    I believe that this should be a very smooth, transitional, calm period. It is necessary to stretch the increase in the retirement age by ten years. For six months, smoothly, calmly. People will know and get ready. Every year to increase by six months the retirement age for both men and women.

    (((, I think with such resources of the country, the retirement age must be lowered !!!, and V. Matvienko - expelled!
  8. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 17 May 2018 19: 07
    +7
    With age, it seems, have decided. But what about the size? Size matters.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 17 May 2018 19: 19
      +17
      I would like to see the report of the pension fund, namely: how many people have not survived to retirement, and where this money went
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 May 2018 19: 24
      +3
      Quote: 16112014nk
      With age, it seems, have decided. But what about the size? Size matters.

      In the United States, the pension in the region is 120 thousand (if you retire at 65, if I’m not mistaken) in Israel in the region of 80 thousand (67 years old for men)
      1. bald
        bald 17 May 2018 19: 57
        +3
        And they will see how the last couple of years, the 65th grandfather will work hard.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 May 2018 20: 29
          +1
          At 60 years old - a man in the juice itself.
          1. bald
            bald 17 May 2018 20: 51
            +1
            Old horse, does not spoil the furrows. But only when, in your garden, you can calmly work, well, a full fur-bearing animal.
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 17 May 2018 21: 54
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            At 60 years old - a man in the juice itself.

            What? All my life I’ve never lifted heavier than a ballpoint pen? And not at 60, but at 51!
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 May 2018 22: 41
              +1
              My grandfather worked until 70 and he kept the garden and cottage.
              1. Alber
                Alber 18 May 2018 06: 56
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                My grandfather worked until 70 and he kept the garden and cottage.

                I suspect that YOUR grandfather worked as an accountant or cashier. Heavier than money bags carried nothing.
                And two summer cottages all the ancestors of the current capitalists had. Yes, even with a little gold hidden in a three-liter jar ...
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 18 May 2018 10: 16
                  0
                  Actually, my grandfather worked as the head of the drilling equipment repair base - the chief engineer, after the collapse of the USSR, she became Lukoilovsky, the only real “gold” that he got from work was a good stake in the company.
                  1. Alber
                    Alber 18 May 2018 11: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    the real "gold" that he got from work is a good stake in the company.

                    A “good block of shares” is what I believe in tens of millions of dollars ...
                    So, then, free then, leaders and second persons (chief oil engineers) grabbed property that was previously nation-wide, i.e. state ...
                    And ordinary people were left with horseradish.
                    Is this fair?
          3. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 18 May 2018 02: 24
            0
            At 60 years old - a man in the juice itself.

            If you are 30 years old, then it is still very early to talk about age.
    3. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 18 May 2018 12: 18
      0
      The picture was clearly made before the ruble went down, the amount should be doubled somewhere twice
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 18 May 2018 14: 49
        0
        Perhaps so, but even in this case, everything is joyless.
        But here are more recent data:
  9. NEXUS
    NEXUS 17 May 2018 19: 08
    +6
    Raise yourself to 200 years.
    1. urman
      urman 17 May 2018 19: 16
      +9
      Quote: NEXUS
      Raise yourself to 200 years.

      Yes, they will easily raise themselves, only not the retirement age, but the profits themselves, s / p-th this language does not dare to call. Salary from the word earn.
      All the shores have beguiled, not a shame not a conscience.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 18 May 2018 12: 30
        +1
        urman (alexander) Yesterday, 19:16
        Yes, they’ll easily raise themselves, only not the retirement age, but their profits

        Myself, beloved, they have long raised their retirement age. Especially officials of the "upper echelon".
        So you cannot knock out another “boss”, even under the pretext of advanced age.
        1. urman
          urman 18 May 2018 14: 33
          0
          Quote: Freeman
          So there’s no way to knock out another “boss”, even under the pretext of advanced age

          Well, I agree .. And remember, I remember my wife with a red diploma from UPI and worked at UVZ
  10. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 17 May 2018 19: 10
    +5
    Where else to take health. Did they really start out there? Where is the stability promised? The average life expectancy of men in Russia is 66 years, that is, the state has decided okay, let’s give you 8 thousand rubles a year, so be it.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 May 2018 20: 31
      +4
      Stable economic growth, stable price increases, stable increase in retirement age. What you don't like is that everything should be proportionate.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 17 May 2018 21: 59
        +4
        Someone else's earnings increase in proportion. Regardless of the desire of the people.
  11. Fedoslov
    Fedoslov 17 May 2018 19: 10
    +18
    Fine! Did you vote? Receive, sign. But you, elderly people - the so-called "nuclear electorate" - have already seen life, and why did you deprive your grandchildren of the future by voting for Putin?
    You boomerang your stupidity will return, but already coming back. It’s not Putin who is to blame for raising taxes, retirement age, etc., it’s you, the 21st century serfs, who are to blame. Let you continue to crap on your head, this is your choice.
    1. Chicha squad
      Chicha squad 17 May 2018 19: 12
      +5
      And I did not vote for Putin (only quietly, not to anyone ...) What should we do?
      1. Fedoslov
        Fedoslov 17 May 2018 19: 22
        +8
        Thank you to those who were brainwashed by the TV.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 17 May 2018 19: 26
        +5
        Quote: Chicha Squad
        And I did not vote for Putin (only quietly, not to anyone ...) What should we do?

        You won’t do anything .. I didn’t vote either, and not one of my friends voted ...
        1. Chicha squad
          Chicha squad 17 May 2018 21: 32
          +6
          So now the question is: Who are all these 56 million people who voted for Putin? It feels like it's fictional characters.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 17 May 2018 22: 18
            +2
            Quote: Chicha Squad
            So now the question is: Who are all these 56 million people who voted for Putin? It feels like it's fictional characters.

            and there is..
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 17 May 2018 22: 02
        +3
        Quote: Chicha Squad
        And I did not vote for Putin (only quietly, not to anyone ...) What should we do?

        First, dig a machine gun and open a trench. Further it will be seen that then dig in, you in the trench or a machine gun ...
        1. q75agent
          q75agent 17 May 2018 22: 43
          +1
          Well, if with a machine gun and in the trench, and even a little trained TSP, it will not be easy for those who will try to smoke from the trench ....
  12. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 17 May 2018 19: 12
    +13
    In the morning I smear a sandwich -
    Immediately thought: what about the people?
    And the caviar does not climb into the throat,
    And compote does not pour into your mouth!
  13. Wolka
    Wolka 17 May 2018 19: 13
    +11
    before closing the vents in the RF PF, it’s not blowing measuredly, for they are already stealing billions, and they decided to raise their retirement age, so you will never see your pension ...
  14. Piramidon
    Piramidon 17 May 2018 19: 19
    +4
    She tried to get a job after 50 years somewhere except a janitor or a conductor?
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 17 May 2018 19: 23
      +1
      Well, on the track, there are similar abundance. ..
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 17 May 2018 22: 07
      +2
      Quote: Piramidon
      She tried to get a job after 50 years somewhere except a janitor or a conductor?
      Stepan, what is the actor’s main dream? Die on stage! MATvienko's main dream to voice? wink
    3. Elk
      Elk 18 May 2018 07: 14
      +1
      She tried by specialty. And the mayor of a millionaire city and the operator of a laser that knocks down sosuli are not taken. I went to a special labor exchange for stupid, but loyal - the Federation Council.
  15. Simon
    Simon 17 May 2018 19: 21
    +3
    This is the proposal of the Ministry of Finance: to raise the retirement age for men by five years - to 65 years, for women by eight years - to 63 years. Option from the Ministry of Labor: increasing the retirement age for women - up to 60, and for men - up to 65 years.
    Obviously, these are ordinary workers, but the question is, many men work in hard jobs, such as military men, engineers, pilots, miners and workers working in the far north, how will they accrue years for retirement?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 May 2018 20: 34
      0
      For these guys they will introduce charges - a year in two.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 17 May 2018 22: 11
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        For these guys they will introduce charges - a year in two.

        A year in two? belay And you monster old man!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 May 2018 22: 42
          0
          The guys will receive a double pension.
  16. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 17 May 2018 19: 22
    +9
    To resign, citizen Matvienko, to resign, with such care for the people, you need to leave your warm place!
    1. urman
      urman 17 May 2018 19: 26
      +4
      Quote: ANCIENT
      you need to leave your warm place!

      And look at the place where she sits in a warm place.
      Figs you tear it off.
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 17 May 2018 19: 34
        +3
        You can work with a crowbar! As an option, either to them along the ridge, or under her ass, and as a lever, to tear her from the chair, then you can also along the ridge. ..
        1. urman
          urman 19 May 2018 09: 29
          0
          In a relative, the child dies of cancer
          The operation costs as much as the lunch of this t B .. A .. R .. And
          She eats and cries, cries and eats.
          S ..... KO .. TI ON.
          Yes, I would not care about this m .. e..p..z..ot
          shot ...
          The creatures stuck ....
    2. Serhiodjan
      Serhiodjan 17 May 2018 19: 32
      0
      Matvienko is a healthy aunt, you shouldn’t be so
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 17 May 2018 19: 54
        +14
        Quote: Serhiodjan
        Matvienko is a healthy aunt, you shouldn’t be so

        Valka - A glass ??? Are we about the same Matvienko ??? belay
    3. Alber
      Alber 18 May 2018 07: 01
      0
      Quote: ANCIENT
      To resign, citizen Matvienko, to resign, with such care for the people, you need to leave your warm place!

      It’s necessary to resign not only matvienka, but the whole coffed, parliament, cabinet with the administration of our sunny guarantor
  17. Simon
    Simon 17 May 2018 19: 23
    +4
    Quote: Volka
    before closing the vents in the RF PF, it’s not blowing measuredly, for they are already stealing billions, and they decided to raise their retirement age, so you will never see your pension ...

    I agree! Let them better restore order in the state so that the money does not go abroad.
  18. Simon
    Simon 17 May 2018 19: 27
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Raise yourself to 200 years.

    We will live forever friends! And work forever! wink Well, pensions will not be needed. request
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 May 2018 20: 35
      0
      "We will live forever friends" - And what, what if.
  19. Fedalex
    Fedalex 17 May 2018 19: 28
    +14
    My father died at 65, worked until the last ... Zin, where is the money ?! Want to raise your retirement age? OK - retirement savings, bloodsuckers am
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 17 May 2018 21: 30
      +1
      How will they return the money if there is no trace left of them?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 17 May 2018 22: 17
      +3
      My dad also died at 65, although the pension is planned in the budget until 75 years. BADS!
  20. Serhiodjan
    Serhiodjan 17 May 2018 19: 30
    0
    Of course you need to increase, and smoothly just the best option.
  21. alexhol
    alexhol 17 May 2018 19: 32
    +1
    As they say: "Goodbye America ...." Get-sign. Well, Belarusians, we are poverty. We are up to 63ex and 58mi, respectively, "smoothly" increased. But rich Russia .... ???? Or maybe Putin does not know?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 17 May 2018 22: 19
      +3
      Putin lives on another planet, dear ...
  22. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 17 May 2018 19: 32
    +19
    Medvedev and Matvienko must be judged. The fact that they want to raise their retirement age is essentially the murder of many hundreds of thousands of old and old women. Do not you think that this falls under the definition of "genocide". Matvienko brazenly and cynically compares our senior citizens with European ones. This is a total lie. In Europe, salaries and pensions are tens of times higher than in Russia. The level of medicine, social programs are not comparable. But Medvedev is not enough film "He is not Dimon?". It jumps. If they do this, the hatred of the Russian population towards them will be prohibitive.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 May 2018 19: 56
      +6
      hatred of the Russian population towards them will be beyond.
      What kind of Sobchak are you? lol
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 17 May 2018 21: 29
      +13
      Quote: Old Fuck
      Medvedev and Matvienko must be judged. That they want to raise their retirement age

      But Putin is not necessary. He is not in the courier. laughing
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 17 May 2018 21: 48
        +8
        Carabiner, you are a smart person, and your comments are sensible. But Putin doesn’t look like himself. He really does not look like himself. It seems that there are several people there and all are different. Our American "partners" counted as many as six. They probably lie. Maybe two or three. hi
  23. filatik
    filatik 17 May 2018 19: 33
    +1
    So people get ready? Leave the country ???
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 17 May 2018 22: 21
      +3
      This mortal world!
  24. Separ DNR
    Separ DNR 17 May 2018 19: 38
    0
    Quote: Tatar 174
    I’ll live and take revenge on the pension fund, which means the state, including for the fact that I have not counted several years of experience! Let me get paid now.

    I wonder how you get it ...
  25. Clueless
    Clueless 17 May 2018 19: 39
    +8
    Will this mouse work until such a retirement? Beasts honest word! No, to give the old people even a CHANCE to rest, no, they want to make them work until they die. How did it all get
    These creatures, instead of first raising the quality of life, do everything from the end. You make the level of RFP and the quality of life as a hillock, and then enter the increased age. So that in hell they all burn there
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 17 May 2018 19: 54
      +6
      Quote: Bad
      Will this mouse work until such a retirement?

      They will take this mouse forward from the post, they themselves do not leave it.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 May 2018 23: 07
      +3
      Quote: Bad
      Will this mouse work until such a retirement?

      At her work, I would work up to the grave plaque and did not stutter about retirement. As one familiar ensign said - early. prod. warehouse: "I will serve as long as the hand holds a fountain pen, in order to sign the payroll."
  26. lopvlad
    lopvlad 17 May 2018 19: 39
    +2
    And this is the proposal of the Ministry of Finance: to raise the retirement age for men by five years - to 65 years, for women by eight years - to 63 years. Option from the Ministry of Labor: an increase in the retirement age for women - up to 60, and for men - up to 65 years.


    no. This is the IMF requirement for all non-sovereign states, and the Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Labor take a peak and fulfill this requirement.
  27. bald
    bald 17 May 2018 19: 43
    +7
    How long is the pension for? So we will receive pensions for the salaries of the watchmen (no offense), and the Duma members and their initiators took care of themselves. Now anti-sanctions are under my care, they take care of themselves.
  28. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 17 May 2018 19: 48
    +10
    27 million views! And what? And now this movie star of the “corruption compote” decided to recoup on the elderly, disabled and grandmothers. What do we have here, Russia is a branch of hell, or what? Should the weak, old and sick be disposed of? Yes, they are slightly baked about the young.
    1. Elk
      Elk 18 May 2018 19: 15
      0
      He is proven and faithful, but politically unpromising. Who could be better for an unpopular pension reform? Only Mutko, he has the same characteristic.
  29. lis-ik
    lis-ik 17 May 2018 19: 52
    +1
    Quote: Simon
    Quote: Volka
    before closing the vents in the RF PF, it’s not blowing measuredly, for they are already stealing billions, and they decided to raise their retirement age, so you will never see your pension ...

    I agree! Let them better restore order in the state so that the money does not go abroad.

    So they take away for themselves.
  30. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 17 May 2018 19: 52
    +5
    Quote: Wend
    I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age. It’s hard for people at 40 to get a normal job, and it’s also not easy to stay. Reduce, to give way to the young in this makes sense. Make retirement voluntary, but not in administrations and bureaucratic structures.

    The point is to drastically reduce the number of retirees. Now 20th century will be able to survive to retirement with a probability of 68%. With such an age level, 65 men and 63 women will survive to retirement units ...
    1. kefan
      kefan 17 May 2018 20: 00
      +3
      We don’t need a pension, give me a job! wink
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  32. Placebo
    Placebo 17 May 2018 19: 55
    +12
    The 18-year-old effective course of our leader led to the need to increase the retirement age ... I would like to ask, why did you go to the polls, why didn’t you announce that the increase in the retirement age is coming ... You, after all, then lost, the truth ... And who, you, after that, Mr. good Putin, ... would go to truckers, like on a bridge, ride for 6 years without a pension and a presidential salary ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 May 2018 20: 45
      0
      This led to the fact that the country dofig and more money is needed, for infrastructure, defense, social programs and much more - pensioners in this list in last places - all this costs hundreds of trillions of rubles and tens of years of work - everyone will definitely not have enough.
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 17 May 2018 21: 00
        +6
        Quote: Vadim237
        dofiga country and more money is needed for infrastructure, defense, social programs and much much more

        Is that you, as I understand it, the United States mean? Where the "friends" of the president, along with Medvedev and Kudrin, pumped 1 trillion $ 200 billion (5 annual budgets of Russia). I am for! It is necessary to raise social programs in the USA! They are our "partners". Well, our retirees can be disposed of.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 May 2018 22: 44
          0
          This figure seems to have hung over the 90s.
  33. kefan
    kefan 17 May 2018 19: 56
    +2
    Everyone thinks about Russia, well ...
  34. milling machine
    milling machine 17 May 2018 19: 58
    +11
    What will comrade Putin tell us? If he approves the promotion, I also approve. If it is against - then I am also against
    I tried to imagine how 77% of the population of the country that voted for him thought.
    Let me remind you that Putin did that under his presidency, raising pensions. age will not be.
    And as they wrote above: "a great topic for the liberals." Indeed, liberals in our country are those who do not like to be had as a slave. Then I am a liberalist, MAN AND CITIZEN, and not a dumb vegetable and serf-serf. .
    1. GUSAR
      GUSAR 17 May 2018 20: 23
      +4
      Well, he once swore publicly that he won’t go to a third term ... It’s time to get used to it ...
  35. Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 May 2018 20: 04
    +7
    No, I understand a person has two hemispheres. So you go to the site and read the right hemisphere, as everything is fine. And then once or whether the site is different, or the hemispheres switched.
    Somehow after March 18th I was on the drum. It is necessary to meet such articles while standing, to stormy prolonged applause, and rejoice, rejoice! ..
    Despite the sanctions, the patriots are getting richer, it's hard for them, after all, socially oriented entrepreneurs, they need help.
    And the rest, everything is fine, everything is fine!
  36. APASUS
    APASUS 17 May 2018 20: 05
    +8
    As soon as the elections are held, the "tricks" begin!
    Something I did not hear Matvienko's voice when considering the proposal to confiscate the property of officials when receiving a bribe.
    Oh yes, raising the retirement age is of course more important ..................
  37. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 17 May 2018 20: 13
    +5
    Smart people save, others save people fool
  38. dvv1951
    dvv1951 17 May 2018 20: 13
    +2
    Great military pension

    I have one thing unforgettable.
    With her the grayness of workdays was carried away.
    A large retirement this military
    I became a friend for my muse.

    My ATM is pretending to be broken.
    The screen goes dead and hangs.
    I say, "With my belly filled
    Come on, share it soon. "

    They know in the district that on this day of the month
    There is no point in them becoming behind me.
    Let envious people rage behind their backs
    Proudly walk past them to rest.

    I don’t fly by the alarm
    With the full calculation I don’t run cross,
    And I take it from the depths of the refrigerator
    Meat with patterns of greasy stripes

    Making yourself two rather big booters
    I drink aromatic coffee in the morning.
    So it lays on the computer's memory
    The verse that I came up with just yesterday

    I’ll go out onto the loggia, the day begins.
    Light is gilding at the top of trees.
    So this rhyme with dawn is born
    So these verses appear.


    © Copyright: Gennady Malinsky, 2015
  39. Grandfather Makar
    Grandfather Makar 17 May 2018 20: 17
    +2
    If you are the one, you raise all the screams ... Do you want to retire quickly? It will not work, all for mobilization, to restore Russia, who will ..? angry
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 May 2018 20: 47
      +3
      Well, certainly not: the old, sick and senile.
      1. Grandfather Makar
        Grandfather Makar 17 May 2018 21: 12
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Well, certainly not: the old, sick and senile.

        Liberasty .. This is terrible power! If they bark in chorus, then for the whole of Russia ..))))
    2. Efrem mutny
      Efrem mutny 17 May 2018 21: 33
      0
      It would be possible to restore the country even by receiving a deserted, labor pension. But again rape. am
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 17 May 2018 21: 34
      +6
      Quote: Ded-Makar
      Restore Russia, who will ..?

      After 18 years of reign of Kamazist-submariner,
      the same recovery?
  40. GUSAR
    GUSAR 17 May 2018 20: 22
    +7
    And something not to see cunning planers? They will pretend that they probably didn’t notice ...
  41. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 17 May 2018 20: 26
    +6
    Plague of the Russian land.
  42. Glory1974
    Glory1974 17 May 2018 20: 29
    +4
    In fact, the retirement age has already been raised. People come for a pension and cannot get it because there are not enough pension points. As a result, they still have to work.
  43. anatoliy73
    anatoliy73 17 May 2018 20: 32
    +5
    And why did they all wind up? The GDP recently signed a decree on increasing life expectancy up to 75 - 80 years, sort of? Are you - ento going to do this at the command of the device ?! But in connection with the upcoming general longevity, they are trying to adjust the retirement age accordingly! Mustache considered a powerful hurricane! (ento all sarcasm if that - for the dull with an armored train!)
  44. jeka424
    jeka424 17 May 2018 20: 44
    +3
    The government should be sent to the factories, let them raise the country, and the salary is not sky-high. Sitting on the fifth point, their brain apparently atrophied
  45. Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 17 May 2018 21: 07
    0
    N-yes, both ours and yours. Aunt Valya wants to be a good one, for everyone. Ugh, just fall down.
  46. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 17 May 2018 21: 10
    +7
    You can’t say better than the hero of Russia Alexander Garnayev.
    "Alexander Garnaev @A_Garnaev
    May 9

    Victory Day! I thought: what would our ancestors who fought then do with those current officials - who, using power, shamelessly rob their own great martyr People? ... wouldn’t my hand flinch them to the wall “according to the laws of the war”! ... I’m not mistaken ???

    "
    1. babkin-62
      babkin-62 17 May 2018 21: 30
      +2
      I think they would not have thought, but done.
  47. babkin-62
    babkin-62 17 May 2018 21: 16
    +9
    Well duck, what of the Lord? Live become a ray, live have become more fun? Where Who if not Putin? Yes here!!! Petrol at 40.00, CTP, retirement, take off medicine, money in the USA, etc. Who would doubt that it would be so. Medvedev will now carry out not popular reforms, and then we will remove it together with the cabinet. And who believes in this? "AND IF NOT HE AND WHO"
  48. rocket757
    rocket757 17 May 2018 21: 16
    +3
    Quote: Felix
    Quote: Wend
    I do not understand the meaning of raising the retirement age

    More working people will pay contributions to the PF, fewer pensioners, higher than pension.

    Higher than pension ??? Who and when ???
    The joker however!
  49. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 17 May 2018 21: 24
    +10
    So the world was created, that there is space and there is time, therefore human life is not infinite, and this is not necessary. The wisdom of life suggests that each generation should feed itself, children and the elderly. And people understood that. Incidentally, the authorities also understood this: the eldest son in the family was considered the breadwinner of parents, because in tsarist Russia the first son was not taken to military service.
    In the USSR, the economy developed, and there were no problems with the payment of pensions, however, as well as with wages.
    Why is the question of raising the retirement age raised now? The objective reason in the state may be the lack of labor force. But this is not for today's Russia: there are also problems with employment for young, often qualified people who want to work and have qualifications, and even more problems for people with low qualifications who are forced to work for a salary below the subsistence level. And against the backdrop of such a situation with employment, the government is concerned about raising the retirement age. Why? References to an increase in life expectancy and an increase in the number of pensioners in relation to working reflect statistical data, but do not reflect the meaning of the ongoing processes. Unfortunately, the tablet format does not allow to accumulate the necessary numbers. The problem is that in the 90s very few children were born, and the demographic structure lacks a segment of people 20-30 years old (born 1990-2000), there are also not enough of those who in the 90s was 20-30 years old (people could not find a place in life, the gangster showdown took a lot of lives) and therefore the average life expectancy arithmetically looks increased. In fact, life expectancy has not increased, today the country is faced with the loss of the young generation of the 90s. This is an echo of the Chubais-Gaidar reforms in the economy, or rather the planned destruction of the country's population: let us recall Chubais's statement “it's okay if 15-20 million die out. They did not give birth, there was no one to give birth to. Raising the retirement age will lead to large numbers of disadvantaged older people with no work or retirement, and the next wave of declining population and life expectancy. Economically speaking, the government has no money. Statistical reporting can be drawn and drawn: instead of producing goods, the number of "services" increases. If a person decides to have a haircut and gets this service from a hairdresser, this is really a service. If I open a website to read an expert's statement, and I see a bare ass, then there is an advertisement for prostatitis, my tablet runs out of power, time is running out, the author's understanding gets lost, is this a service? Is that bearish. And how many services were we obliged to pay for housing and communal services? I saw another ad at the entrance and I think I can’t resist, I’ll ask why they don’t pay money for the tour. The money collected for the maintenance of the MKD goes to the offices, the purpose of which is to get the signatures of the tenants so that they can be paid for excursions to the apartments: thanks Menu. And from Mutko it is even scary to imagine what innovations are coming to take money from the population. And where is the economy? Well, they care about exports: the goods were taken out, the currency was left in the west, but in the country where did it arrive? No currency, no goods. Only the ruble continues to fall: today they give $ 80 per barrel, earlier in this case $ 1 = 40 rubles, and now> 60 rubles. Wow, we got rid of oil: the price of gasoline rises and the ruble falls. In general, the liberals have lost a generation, now they will take revenge on those who survived in the 90s, they will make homeless people in their old age who could survive in the 90s.
  50. Cheshire
    Cheshire 17 May 2018 21: 24
    +4
    The topic is certainly topical ... even a military review ... cast a spell on it ... as a weapon of mass destruction.