Still flying. US to continue upgrading attack helicopter AH-64 Apache

The US Army intends to further modernize the McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Apache attack helicopter, which was adopted by the US Army in 1984 for another two decades, Warspot reports with reference to the portal flightglobal.com

No one will change the Apache 791 helicopter all at once. This helicopter has been in service for many years, and we will keep it in the future. As soon as a successor has been chosen for AH-64, a transition period will begin that will take at least 20 years.

- said Richard Tyler, Apache Attack Helicopter Project Manager for the American Army.

To combat the new threats, the Apaches are planning to equip them with a laser machine and “new miniature guided munitions”. Details of the rearmament is not disclosed yet. In addition, AH-64 Apache has to undergo some design changes - in particular, its tail, wings and stabilization system may change.

As of 2014, the Apache was one of the most common attack helicopters in the world: during production, more than 2000 units were produced, which are in service with the armies of the USA, Japan, Israel, Egypt, the Netherlands and many other countries.

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[Morosh]

"was one of the most common attack helicopters in the world"
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and the best in the world.

[Imobile]

The thermal imager is cool.

[Morosh]

Even Vladimir Vladimirovich boasted of their work and results.

[Safevi]

Apache is truly the best helicopter to date. Even their enemies admit it.

[NEXUS]

Quote: sefevi

Apache is truly the best helicopter to date. Even their enemies admit it.

Seriously? Well, KA-52 is recognized by many experts as the best attack helicopter in the world.
Regarding Apache, it’s good as an ambush helicopter, but it’s debatable how the best helicopter capable of fighting its own kind.
At the same time, Apache has no catapult. A chopped off rear screw, and Apache is not a tenant, along with the crew.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

Let's not brag ahead of time. Let as many Apaches fly. it’s boasting military reliability then and we will scream so loudly as you like that we have better.
In the meantime, he is the best Apache

[NEXUS]

Quote: rumpeljschtizhen

In the meantime, he is the best Apache

No need to pull the hamster on the globe, dear. Where did Apache prove himself? In Iraq, against tanks from the time of Tsar Gorokh?
He flew.
The Ka-52 was not in the hangar all this time. By the way, its ancestors KA-50 managed to fight in Chechnya and the majahideen were satisfied.
It is not a matter of love for the fact that our technique is the best, but an objective assessment. Is Apache able to fight its own kind? What armor does he have that they shot him with a gun?
Which is he the best? Do not tell. It is 50 years old soon.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

of course respected ka -52 burned hundreds and hundreds of abrams. you give one example from the war in the bay rappyrinny Saddam as an irrefutable fact :-))))))))
Yes, the Apache is not new from the moment of development ... but it has been constantly upgraded ... and in terms of armament and guidance system, when compared with our ka or mi, it is still the best yet better. (so you, from your practice, stigmatizing someone for something ..... do not advise .... to others .. do it yourself with you it is great for getting in .... or getting out)

[NEXUS]

Quote: rumpeljschtizhen

(so you, from your practice, stigmatizing someone else ..... do not advise.

You can do it deftly and without me, dear. So what is there on my question, APACH IS ABLE TO FIGHT AGAINST SIMILAR?

[Blackmokona]

In addition to standard armaments - a cannon, unguided missiles, AGM-114 AE Hellfire anti-tank missiles, AGM-114F Interim Hellfire and Stinger air-to-air missiles, the upgraded AH-64s can receive a new extended-range missile developed under the Joint Common program Missile.

http://airwar.ru/enc/ah/ah64d.html
Maybe time stingers can wear

[Korax71]

You yourself are not tired of your propaganda. The same as 50 in Chechnya is several sorties accompanied by several links of crocodiles. As for part 52, our experts recognize him as the best, and they are also specialists. They tell them what they say. Yes on ka52 catapult. and how did she help the recently beaten pilots, heaven be with them? Do you have a salary or something? At one time and the night hunter in India lost the competition. It’s enough idiots from all over the world to do. How many countries fly and what not heard about the crowd wanting to transfer to others.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Korax71

You yourself are not tired of your propaganda.

Dear, sometimes you need to turn on the head. Experts like you compare Abrams with the T-14 and claim that Abrash is in no way inferior to Armata. Who is engaged in propaganda here? Apache is old, like the excrement of a mammoth, and you sit pouring all kinds of crap in your ears about the fact that this is the best helicopter in the world.
How is he better? On business. Avionics? What will happen to this avionics and Apache above the city?
The armor is junk, the arsenal is imprisoned for the fight against tanks. This is a highly specialized attack helicopter, unlike the Alligator, and especially Katran.
In addition to destroying armored targets, the Alligator is able to fight calmly and with helicopters. Maneuverability is not an example of Apache, as well as carrying capacity.
The only thing somewhere Apache can compete with the Ka-52 is avionics. And it's not a fact that this comparison will be in favor of the mattress, especially if you take the version of Katran.

Quote: Korax71

at one time the night hunter lost the contest in India.

What is the hunter doing here, dear? I’m talking about the KA-52, and he’s telling me about spaceships.

[VO3A]

Nexus, you have primitive views ... Such a somewhat collective-farm thinking, but this is aviation ... Avionics, in your opinion, is most important, like weapons, and it’s the best, APACH, in many respects ... And if take into account the new missile and it’s not only a tank, it is not yet reachable ... Although, I also don’t like it ....

[Korax71]

Great head switch T14 can only ride on paper and can take a ride on the Red Square. which year it’s being taken into service. As far as work on the city is concerned, no helicopter is protected from portable MANPADS. Apart from its payload, their characteristics are comparable. An Indian can also fight against air targets. You can dig on the Internet and watch a video about the doctor’s maneuverability. dead loops are laid on it as well. And after 52, the missile must visually observe the target, because it is controlled by the laser beam, that is, it must be in the range of the enemy’s anti-aircraft weapons. The alligator has a limited gun operation sector and the issue of recoil is still not resolved, which dramatically reduces its effectiveness. Well and the ammunition for the fluff is not great. Can you tell me how to use the 52? The 50 was in Chechnya, but only in According to reports, the effectiveness of its use turned out to be exactly the same as that of a crocodile. And the question about the catapult remained open.

[max702]

Quote: Korax71

then a few departures, accompanied by several links of crocodiles.

What kind of nonsense .. He was accompanied by a couple of crocodiles in order to prevent debris from getting to the enemy, and the main problem was to hold on to the working KA-50 .. And by the way, the climbing record was fixed by equipment and was not nearly beaten by any 30m \ s helicopter at Apache 12.7 \ ms ... So it’s not necessary that the Ka-50 is just so helpless that it doesn’t have any escort.

[lightning]

Why would he fight his own kind? Let others do it.

[serg.shishkov2015]

I heard that experimental Ka-50s were still used in Afghanistan, and Apache is the most expensive helicopter in the world. For 2000, the cost of one, including R&D, is 15 million, and modernization to Longbow doubled this figure

[voyaka uh]

"KA-52 is recognized by many experts as the best attack helicopter in the world" ////

It should be added: the best DAY attack helicopter in the world.
At night, flying it is deadly for the crew.

[VO3A]

Raw statement, or rather all 3 .... Closer to the truth, the third, Zyama! Only here are objective reasons, they are known to all ...

[not main]

Quote: voyaka uh

"KA-52 is recognized by many experts as the best attack helicopter in the world" ////

It should be added: the best DAY attack helicopter in the world.
At night, flying it is deadly for the crew.

Who said that? Or in a puddle ....!

[Pimply]

Quote: NEXUS

Really? Well, KA-52 is recognized by many experts as the best attack helicopter in the world.

And by whom? When I hear by many - it's like nobody

[Abu Dawood]

I think he will no longer have a replacement. Drones will finally displace

[VO3A]

Wrong think ....

[Lord of the Sith]

Mi-24 over 3500 units made.

[Morosh]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Mi-24 over 3500 units made.

Amount taken, but crumpled quality.

[Zaurbek]

At the time of its production, everything was fine with him ... The Americans changed the cobra to Apache in the 80-90s, and instead we played democracy, although the USSR already created mi82 in 28.

[Lord of the Sith]

That's it!

[rumpeljschtizhen]

Here you are, in my opinion, right - the idea of ​​a flying BMP didn’t justify itself and ours returned to purely attack helicopters (by the way, again, a sort of sort) that the Americans washed down I quote NEXUS ". It’s 50 years soon."

[NEXUS]

Quote: rumpeljschtizhen

I quote NEXUS. "He is 50 years old soon"

So what about my question, dear expert?

[rumpeljschtizhen]

Why does he need this? type of dispute .... here they meet in a clean (sky) field one on one and who whom? Do you understand the absurdity of this?
(PS I'm not an expert :-)))))) and I do not advise you to be so categorical in judgments)

[Incvizitor]

the idea of ​​a flying infantry fighting vehicle did not justify itself and ours returned to purely attack helicopters

Mi 35 continues to produce with might and main.

[MPN]

Quote: Morosha

Amount taken, but crumpled quality.

What quality? Tasks of support on the battlefield are simple since how do Mi-24-35 perform? He is a hunter and not a fire support helicopter. They will beat him from machine guns over the battlefield ... So before you compare the incomparable, look at the tasks. There are purely anti-tank variants of equipment, there are airborne and fire support, how many paratroopers can he land in the rear? The equipment is accordingly sharpened for each of their goals ...

[helmi8]

Quote: Morosha

Amount taken, but crumpled quality.

Can you name at least one helicopter that shot down a fighter in an air battle? And the Mi-24 shot down ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Morosha

and the best in the world.

No ... Apache was developed in the 70s for fire support and as an ambush helicopter. In the conditions of urban combat, it is vulnerable, given its weak armor. At the same time, if they get into the engines, the crew is almost certainly not tenants.
So what is he the best in the world? Price? 50 citrus apiece? Is he capable of fighting successfully with his own kind? He essentially has only a cannon from weapons for air targets.

[MPN]

Andrew again Fire support is in words you write

In urban combat, he is vulnerable, given his weak armor. At the same time, if they get into the engines, the crew is almost certainly not tenants.

This is a purely anti-tank helicopter in the main task ... but it’s not a tenant over the battlefield ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Morosha

"was one of the most common attack helicopters in the world"
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and the best in the world.

Again, the sect crawled out to the site?

[helmi8]

Quote: APASUS

Again, the sect crawled out to the site?

You know, I’m just touched by the conclusions of homegrown "experts" who know aviation on articles on the Internet and on television. I used to try to explain something to them, but I gave up this useless activity. It is not worth it - to nerve yourself. Well, they want Apache to be considered the coolest - but let them believe that the realities from this will not change? They will say that Chinook is completely steep ... But the fact that the Americans bought Mi-17 for Afghanistan from us is silent about this. And our Mi-26 Chinook theirs on an external sling to the base dragged. Well, somehow it’s not customary to admit that all their vaunted equipment in those conditions of ours is not suitable for soles ...

[VO3A]

You don’t have to explain, you have to prove, but here you can’t do anything except gossip, which is forty on the tail, nothing .... Weak, unproven and unprofessional ....

[helmi8]

Quote: VO3A

No need to explain, need to prove

I’m not going to prove anything to you. You have already proven by your posts that you understand helicopters at the level of the kindergarten preparatory group ...

[VO3A]

You are not a military, well, certainly not a military special, and therefore you do not quite understand how a combat helicopter differs from a helicopter, how a combat aircraft differs from a plane ... No offense ... It's a pity there is little time .... Previously, they joked that a military aircraft is a cannon to which, for some sort of frame, everything else is attached secondary ..... in the form of an airplane ...

[helmi8]

Quote: VO3A

You are not a military, well, certainly not a military special, and therefore you do not quite understand how a combat helicopter differs from a helicopter, how a combat aircraft differs from an aircraft ..

Also suppose that I did not serve in the army at all ... Well, for information: I flew both Mi-24 and Mi-8, 670 sorties. And do not tell me what is there and how it differs. So do not make people laugh on the site with your conclusions ...

[helmi8]

I forgot to write right away - if I'm not a military man, then take an interest in the Ministry of Defense for what they pay me a pension ...

[VO3A]

Well, I laugh, I do not laugh - people on the forum will figure it out themselves .... And you can judge everything from the height of your 670 sorties .... This inspires respect, but it also requires accuracy in the comments ... You actually checked what they have and what they promise .... But this is not the same thing, and you won’t tell tales, and you probably don’t tell too ....

[Pimply]

Quote: helmi8

But the fact that the Americans for Afghanistan have bought Mi-17 from us - this is silent.

For Afgan, they bought it for Afghans (who had a sufficient number of trained pilots for these cars) and to form tighter ties with Russia (which has a serious influence in the Central Asian republics). Yes, and the helicopter itself is not bad. But the fact that he is not bad - it does not mean that the main reason for the purchase of this

[helmi8]

Quote: Pimply

For Afghanistan, they bought it for the Afghans (who had enough trained pilots on these machines)

All right. And they used them primarily for their own purposes ... In terms of their flight characteristics in high altitude and heat conditions, in terms of simplicity and low cost of maintenance, and in reliability, they surpass American ones ...

[bouncyhunter]

The old Apache is flying, that’s understandable. And what about the Cobras?

[donavi49]

In the new modification, Viper - serve the marines. But they are strange guys and even the good old UH-1 are modernizing.

[bouncyhunter]

I read and looked on this topic. Most interesting is the word modernizing ...

[Zaurbek]

His esport is worse than that of Apache. For the price he almost caught up with him. It is rather a showcase of opportunities for modernization, for owners of Cobras of different generations ...

[NN52]

pasha

Ask the Nexus on this topic ... He will now tell everyone on this topic ...

[bouncyhunter]

Dima What for ? I myself am in the subject of "Cobras" and "Apaches", I just wanted to see the opinions of others.

[VO3A]

In the subject, how is it? APACH performs its tasks and tasks for a combat helicopter better than all others, and it has more opportunities ... And if it is improved for a new missile with a range of up to 24 km, it will again tear itself away from everyone .... notice not 8 km and even not 16 ....

[voyaka uh]

Cobra is heard on approach, when the helicopter itself has not been seen for a long time.
You hear Apache and see above your head at the same time. This is from personal feelings.

[ANCIENT]

It’s a pity that they don’t have their own head for the patient with perestroika and new thinking of the hunchback he would have done a “disservice” to them, eliminating us aviation in general and forever!

[Hole puncher]

In a democracy, one person decides nothing, no matter how hard he tries

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Puncher

In a democracy, one person decides nothing, no matter how hard he tries

democratic countries do not exist !!!

[Elk]

Not that we chose the president to them.

[ZVS]

It’s just that the USA does not have new modern developments in attack helicopters. A high-speed helicopter, by definition, cannot become a strike. Yes, and they have problems with speed.

[Elk]

Everything is fine with the development, but why. Upgrading is much more profitable than making a new one. Under this helicopter there is infrastructure, trained personnel, spare parts, including the allies. Not so outdated to send to the landfill. And we will operate the Mi8 / 17 for a long time.

[Chicha squad]

I bet, a good helicopter, and even the deck can land.

[Wolka]

if the Yankee has “Apache” so good, then we need to have our “Yakut”, “Buryat” or “Chukchi”, the crocodile family doesn’t count ...

[Zaurbek]

You have them - Mi28MN fly and fly to him. Only have time to change instruments and anti-tank systems.

[RL]

And engines, and rotor, and transmission, and electronics. Then it will be the DEVICE! If there will be money.

[Zaurbek]

The motors, rotor and drive have already been updated, sort of. Avionics too ... weapons on the agenda.

[not main]

Quote: RL

And engines, and rotor, and transmission, and electronics. Then it will be the DEVICE! If there will be money.

Sorry, but what is a "rotor"? Maybe you mean rotor? Or something different?

[helmi8]

Quote: non-primary

Sorry, but what is a "rotor"

Likely. This is the obsolete name HB. But about the drive I was interested - what do you mean? Drive what?

[not main]

About the "rotor" I exaggerated, and the "drive", as I understand the transmission. At one time it was called a drive.

[Zaurbek]

So it is ... too lazy to type a long word.

[san4es]

TOP 10 attack helicopters 2016

[Cheshire]

Even the Americans ran into the comments ... or is it bad pilots ... and the propeller is in the way.

[Sarcasm]

They have no chance of the best remedy against the broads. Ka 52 is the only competitor, but weapons and electronics are lagging behind.

[Yodzakura]

And Difiar Sikorsky at 500 km per hour will rise by the end of the year a worthy change of Apache

[Salomet]

Hmm, to admit that the Americans made a good helicopter is difficult to recognize for many. Regarding the Ka-52 and the defeat of their own kind. It will be difficult to hit him considering that he loses in speed to almost everyone !!!
2. Avionics. Apache’s night sights are unattainable for any helicopter. Over-the-body radar, A bunch of targets. The fact is he is good.
3. I have never seen a video of how a Ka-52 fires from a cannon from 4 km. Sorry, but this is the distance at which it can get a little.
4. Those who are primal in Syria from the "Apaches" were as "satisfied" as the bearded men in Afghanistan. (Not gloating just a statement of fact)
5. 50 years in the service and still a formidable opponent is mine more plus and an indicator of success ideas. This is not for you to take into service with the Mi-28, then it is endlessly finished up and everything falls short. Like the Ka-52, too. Armor is not a panacea, it increased survivability and not everywhere, mainly on the move away from the target.

[helmi8]

Quote: Salomet

This is not for you to take into service with the Mi-28, then it is endlessly finished and everything is not enough.

Well look at this ...

[Zaurbek]

. I have never seen a video of how a Ka-52 fires from a cannon from 4 km. Sorry, but this is the distance at which it can get a little.

At all cannon firing, the Ka-52 is the record holder. It is in this discipline that he replayes APACH ... the projectile is twice as powerful and the gun itself is more heaped. and the installation location is the center of mass.