"Topol" will not remain idle

Russia returned to the idea of ​​using Topol ICBMs to launch satellites into orbit, reports RIA News message source in the rocket and space industry.

The interlocutor of the agency recalled that currently Topol is being decommissioned and replaced with more modern Yarsy.

He noted that using Topol, it is possible “to get a ready-made rocket with minimal expenses and apply it for space launches”. Previously, decommissioned missiles were allowed "under the knife."

According to the agency, referring to open sources, today in service with the Strategic Missile Forces are about 70-ti Topol ballistic missiles.

Back in 2016, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergei Karakaev, stated that space rockets could be created on the basis of Topol. However, according to him, at that time there was no development on this program.

Meanwhile, the Topol missiles had previously been used for space launches. From 1993-th to 2006, a year from the mobile launcher from the Plesetsk and Svobodny cosmodromes (now Vostochny) conducted 7 launches of launch-launch vehicles 1 based on Topol. To do this, the rocket was upgraded from a combat version to a space carrier.

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[Teberii]

All in business, so much cost and scrap. Yes, and potential friends will have something to see.

[MPN]

Quote: Teberii

All in business, so much cost and scrap. Yes, and potential friends will have something to see.

And if you bundle 5-10 pieces, then he and Mars already ...
Of course, you need to use it, and you also need to earn money from launching other people's satellites ... Just not from the same mobile installation, you need to modify it under the start ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: MPN

Quote: Teberii

All in business, so much cost and scrap. Yes, and potential friends will have something to see.

And if you bundle 5-10 pieces, then he and Mars already ...
Of course, you need to use it, and you also need to earn money from launching other people's satellites ... Just not from the same mobile installation, you need to modify it under the start ...

If the improvements do not make the rocket heavier, then why not start launching satellites from any place accessible for equipment? There will be very good advertising for our Strategic Rocket Forces. Especially the mobile component. New beater, apparently, will not be worse, so let dear partners be convinced of the reliability and inevitability of a friendly handshake of shaking.

[MPN]

Quote: Vkd dvk

then why not start satellites from any place accessible for technology?

The satellite must go into the calculated orbit, it is difficult to calculate from any point ... and the load is different instead of the BG ..., it’s not so simple (getting on the target is easier, there is a different launch algorithm, so the control system must be adjusted according to essentially only engines, and the rest is different ... Well, as it is ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: MPN

Quote: Vkd dvk

then why not start satellites from any place accessible for technology?

The satellite must go into the calculated orbit, it is difficult to calculate from any point ... and the load is different instead of the BG ..., it’s not so simple (getting on the target is easier, there is a different launch algorithm, so the control system must be adjusted according to essentially only engines, and the rest is different ... Well, as it is ...

I have no doubt that it is so. But launching from such a huge territory, and from any (practically) geographical point of the country, gives any other flight path, moreover, without the expense of fuel there, in orbit when it is already .... It is better to spend it on the ground, delivering the installation, than steer where you need in space. Moreover, Topol is not so powerful for such a purpose and heavy satellites will not be able to withdraw. But to install a launcher, say, on a decent ship, without having to re-equip it for sea launch, and shoot, say, from the equator .... Have you thought about such an opportunity?

[MPN]

Quote: Vkd dvk

Did not think about such an opportunity?

The opportunity is ideal in theory, I’m only for ... But let's really look, for this to be done, first you need to give a task, conduct R&D, provide production, according to the rules, coordinate internationally launches from a registered floating airfield ..., I brought 10-15 percent of possible problems to a vskidka ...
So it’s better to attach it at the same place (also R&D and production ...) Plisetsk for start-up and start up calmly, I think it will be cheaper at times ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: MPN

Quote: Vkd dvk

Did not think about such an opportunity?

The opportunity is ideal in theory, I’m only for ... But let's really look, for this to be done, first you need to give a task, conduct R&D, provide production, according to the rules, coordinate internationally launches from a registered floating airfield ..., I brought 10-15 percent of possible problems to a vskidka ...
So it’s better to attach it at the same place (also R&D and production ...) Plisetsk for start-up and start up calmly, I think it will be cheaper at times ...

Of course, I have worked all my production life far from Topol, and so on. products. But, the main thing, in my opinion, is to modify the flying iron to the standards of civilian use, and to make it possible (if this is possible in principle) from a standard launcher, but from where, starting from 90 degrees or from 0 degrees is no longer R&D, and geo-referencing, which is done not in the research institute, but in the troops.

[MPN]

Quote: Vkd dvk

But, most importantly, in my opinion, to modify the flying iron to the standards of civilian use, and to make it possible (if this is possible in principle) from a standard launcher

Here, like the traz and all of the above, the army will not calculate the orbit and the place in orbit for undocking from the satellite does not have the means for this. There are structures that deal with this ... From a rocket, in my opinion, only the engines will fit well with the body, change the stuffing, and it all starts just with what I described above ... it’s easiest to empty and the container is not important here, it’s Essentials for transporting and ensuring the operation of the BG (temperature, automatic data entry into the BG, providing a mortar launch). He’s superfluous in fact ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: MPN

Quote: Vkd dvk

But, most importantly, in my opinion, to modify the flying iron to the standards of civilian use, and to make it possible (if this is possible in principle) from a standard launcher

Here, like the traz and all of the above, the army will not calculate the orbit and the place in orbit for undocking from the satellite does not have the means for this. There are structures that deal with this ... From a rocket, in my opinion, only the engines will fit well with the body, change the stuffing, and it all starts just with what I described above ... it’s easiest to empty and the container is not important here, it’s Essentials for transporting and ensuring the operation of the BG (temperature, automatic data entry into the BG, providing a mortar launch). He’s superfluous in fact ...

I do not agree. Not logical. From the deck, even the battleship Poplar will not fly. Mast, mount, and so on. need to? - that is, a skimmed floating platform. But is the undocking of steps, accelerator, separation, etc. done by the operator from the MCC? Not automatic? Isn’t the undocking done at the end of the last stage, (accelerator), always in one timing, when the highest point of the orbit of the launch is reached? I won’t argue, it’s a project of an interested layman — to use such a tandem — all Topol’s dandies providing launch from the taiga, and a ship somewhere in warm tropical waters. Of course, at first the orbit is considered, and then the point is reached, and the launch is synchronized in time.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

joking that we are selling "poplar" to Iran ... here is "tearing" from someone!

[MPN]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

joking that we are selling "poplar" to Iran ... here is "tearing" from someone!

[Chertt]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

joking that we are selling "poplar" to Iran ... here is "tearing" from someone!

This thought, even with a reservation about a joke, sounds very frightening

[Vanek]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

.here "tear" from someone!

Yes you, my friend, a maniac, however.

Andrei

[Incvizitor]

Netanyahu immediately rushes to Moscow again
The main thing is to say that this is a response to aggression against Syria and its people, maybe they will stop supporting ISIS at least temporarily.

[impostor]

The terms are extended, maybe he will get to know better with Texas or Minnesota.

[Mih1974]

We carry light and warmth to the homes of Americans. "All the best for children - American" (DMB)

[impostor]

Interestingly, and RTBshniki guys with humor? Do they write such wishes on their heads?

[Simon]

Oh how! And they said that military rocket technology could not be converted ?! Nothing is wasted here, the satellites will soon fly into space. Only Gorbachev and Yeltsin cut rocket launchers, and the Americans and even hydraulic scissors for this sent them a gift for free !.

[rotmistr60]

And yesterday we discussed exactly this idea. Therefore, there is nothing to add.

[Doliva63]

Start-1 - 250 kg. Of useful load. Chubais nano-satellites will display?

[Warrior-80]

I don’t know, the wiki says the cast weight is 1200kg

[Orkraider]

Quote: Doliva63

Start 1

Let me correct you, the payload of the four-stage Start-1 on the DOE is 500 kg of payload. Five-stage start - 800 kg at the DOE.
This is quite enough for launching a number of cargoes, the same Canopus-B (450 kg), EROS-B (290 kg), spacecraft like OneWeb (150 kg), and D33 type satellites.

Thus, for the launch of remote sensing satellites of the Earth's surface, the Start capabilities are quite sufficient.

[KVU-NSVD]

The idea has long been in the air. Moreover, with relatively small redistributions, it can also be used with mobile standard installations, which, after decommissioning, are also most likely intended for a knife. All debited are unlikely to use, but 50 percent will already be fine. A relatively small payload is compensated by the virtually free missiles available. It is important that it will be possible to offer the customer "urgent" launches.

[flicker]

Poplars "will not remain idle

We will sell the S-300 to Iran, and to Israel, for one we will check the effectiveness of both the first and second, and we will remain with a profit.

[shura7782]

Even before reading the article, it was thought that the further use of Topol will be as targets. It turned out that there is a more effective option for their further application.

[Old military officer]

This is the conversion! All in business.

[net0103net]

Look, they didn’t get over it, otherwise commercial satellites will launch, it’s a shame. There Medvedev with Kudrin and Mutko remained in the government - anything can be expected.

[Chicha squad]

Maybe there are three of them, in Poplar? The first space tourists of Russia will be.

[net0103net]

Well, if modernization, as they say "from combat to space," leads to the fact that Russia's military presence in space will be increased, then this is not bad.

[Chicha squad]

Is it possible to launch it from a mobile launcher with a satellite?

[slipped]

Launch of the Start-1 rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in 2000.

[Chicha squad]

So this is a saving, and no launch pad is needed.

[Lesorub]

For this, the rocket was upgraded from a combat version to a space carrier.

Yeah, blurring your eyes! , upgrade the "Poplar", they will serve as a combat unit for a long time!

[Old26]

According to the agency, referring to open sources, today in service with the Strategic Missile Forces are about 70-ti Topol ballistic missiles.

About half as much.

Quote: MPN

The satellite must go into the calculated orbit, it is difficult to calculate from anywhere ...

They were never allowed from anywhere. All launches of the Start launch vehicle at the Topol base were carried out mainly from the cosmodrome FREE (5 out of 7 starts)

Quote: Simon

Oh how! And they said that military rocket technology could not be converted ?!

Who spoke? IKSPERDY from the media? Of all the USSR launch vehicles, only Energia was a purely civilian development (and even then I’m not 100% sure). All the rest are conversion ...

Quote: Doliva63

Start-1 - 250 kg. Of useful load. Chubais nano-satellites will display?

Valentine! It all depends on the orbit. In general, with respect to START-1, it is most often mentioned that it is capable of removing from 320 to 550 kg a load of 300-700 km in polar orbit. When the orbit changes, the payload will change accordingly.

Quote: Warrior-80

I don’t know, the wiki says the cast weight is 1200kg

The ICBM Topol has an abandoned weight of 1000 kg. The "Poplar-M" - 1200 kg. For Topol-based launch vehicles, from 320 to 850 kg, depending on carrier modification and orbit parameters

Quote: shura7782

Even before reading the article, it was thought that the further use of Topol will be as targets. It turned out that there is a more effective option for their further application.

It is difficult to say how intensively they will be used. For 13 years from 1993 to 2006, 7 launches of launchers were carried out on the basis of this ICBM. The last 12 years on the "Starts" did not let anything

Quote: net0103net

Well, if modernization, as they say "from combat to space," leads to the fact that Russia's military presence in space will be increased, then this is not bad.

What will the "military presence" in space be expressed in?

Quote: slipped

Launch of the Start-1 rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in 2000.

From Plesetsk? Perhaps from Plesetsk, but is it accurate in 2000? As far as I remember, launches were carried out
Start-1 = 25.03.1993/XNUMX/XNUMX = Plesetsk
Start = 28.03.1995/XNUMX/XNUMX = Plesetsk (emergency)
Start-1.2 = 04.03.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Start-1 = 24.12.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Start-1 = 05.12.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Start-1 = 20.02.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Start-1 = 25.04.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Or not?

Quote: Lesorub

Yeah, blurring your eyes! , upgrade the "Poplar", they will serve as a combat unit for a long time!

Yeah! that’s what they write off intensively ....

[slipped]

Quote: Old26

Quote: slipped

Launch of the Start-1 rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in 2000.

From Plesetsk? Perhaps from Plesetsk, but is it accurate in 2000? As far as I remember, launches were carried out
Start-1 = 25.03.1993/XNUMX/XNUMX = Plesetsk
Start = 28.03.1995/XNUMX/XNUMX = Plesetsk (emergency)
Start-1.2 = 04.03.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Start-1 = 24.12.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Start-1 = 05.12.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Start-1 = 20.02.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Start-1 = 25.04.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
Or not?

For what I "bought", http://visualrian.ru/media/310729.html, if anyone made a mistake, then this is a photographer.

[Old26]

Quote: slipped

For what I "bought", http://visualrian.ru/media/310729.html, if anyone made a mistake, then this is a photographer.

I was simply surprised by the year and place. Both that and another was, but not in 2000 with Plesetsk