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"Topol" will not remain idle

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Russia returned to the idea of ​​using Topol ICBMs to launch satellites into orbit, reports RIA News message source in the rocket and space industry.


"Topol" will not remain idle


The interlocutor of the agency recalled that currently Topol is being decommissioned and replaced with more modern Yarsy.

He noted that using Topol, it is possible “to get a ready-made rocket with minimal expenses and apply it for space launches”. Previously, decommissioned missiles were allowed "under the knife."

According to the agency, referring to open sources, today in service with the Strategic Missile Forces are about 70-ti Topol ballistic missiles.

Back in 2016, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergei Karakaev, stated that space rockets could be created on the basis of Topol. However, according to him, at that time there was no development on this program.

Meanwhile, the Topol missiles had previously been used for space launches. From 1993-th to 2006, a year from the mobile launcher from the Plesetsk and Svobodny cosmodromes (now Vostochny) conducted 7 launches of launch-launch vehicles 1 based on Topol. To do this, the rocket was upgraded from a combat version to a space carrier.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 17 May 2018 10: 14
    +1
    All in business, so much cost and scrap. Yes, and potential friends will have something to see.
    1. MPN
      MPN 17 May 2018 10: 21
      +8
      Quote: Teberii
      All in business, so much cost and scrap. Yes, and potential friends will have something to see.

      And if you bundle 5-10 pieces, then he and Mars already ... laughing
      Of course, you need to use it, and you also need to earn money from launching other people's satellites ... Just not from the same mobile installation, you need to modify it under the start ...
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 17 May 2018 11: 05
        0
        Quote: MPN
        Quote: Teberii
        All in business, so much cost and scrap. Yes, and potential friends will have something to see.

        And if you bundle 5-10 pieces, then he and Mars already ... laughing
        Of course, you need to use it, and you also need to earn money from launching other people's satellites ... Just not from the same mobile installation, you need to modify it under the start ...

        If the improvements do not make the rocket heavier, then why not start launching satellites from any place accessible for equipment? There will be very good advertising for our Strategic Rocket Forces. Especially the mobile component. New beater, apparently, will not be worse, so let dear partners be convinced of the reliability and inevitability of a friendly handshake of shaking.
        1. MPN
          MPN 17 May 2018 11: 15
          +8
          Quote: Vkd dvk
          then why not start satellites from any place accessible for technology?

          The satellite must go into the calculated orbit, it is difficult to calculate from any point ... and the load is different instead of the BG ..., it’s not so simple (getting on the target is easier, there is a different launch algorithm, so the control system must be adjusted according to essentially only engines, and the rest is different ... Well, as it is ...
          1. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk 17 May 2018 11: 19
            +2
            Quote: MPN
            Quote: Vkd dvk
            then why not start satellites from any place accessible for technology?

            The satellite must go into the calculated orbit, it is difficult to calculate from any point ... and the load is different instead of the BG ..., it’s not so simple (getting on the target is easier, there is a different launch algorithm, so the control system must be adjusted according to essentially only engines, and the rest is different ... Well, as it is ...

            I have no doubt that it is so. But launching from such a huge territory, and from any (practically) geographical point of the country, gives any other flight path, moreover, without the expense of fuel there, in orbit when it is already .... It is better to spend it on the ground, delivering the installation, than steer where you need in space. Moreover, Topol is not so powerful for such a purpose and heavy satellites will not be able to withdraw. But to install a launcher, say, on a decent ship, without having to re-equip it for sea launch, and shoot, say, from the equator .... Have you thought about such an opportunity?
            1. MPN
              MPN 17 May 2018 11: 35
              +9
              Quote: Vkd dvk
              Did not think about such an opportunity?

              The opportunity is ideal in theory, I’m only for ... But let's really look, for this to be done, first you need to give a task, conduct R&D, provide production, according to the rules, coordinate internationally launches from a registered floating airfield ..., I brought 10-15 percent of possible problems to a vskidka ...
              So it’s better to attach it at the same place (also R&D and production ...) Plisetsk for start-up and start up calmly, I think it will be cheaper at times ... hi
              1. Vkd dvk
                Vkd dvk 17 May 2018 19: 28
                +1
                Quote: MPN
                Quote: Vkd dvk
                Did not think about such an opportunity?

                The opportunity is ideal in theory, I’m only for ... But let's really look, for this to be done, first you need to give a task, conduct R&D, provide production, according to the rules, coordinate internationally launches from a registered floating airfield ..., I brought 10-15 percent of possible problems to a vskidka ...
                So it’s better to attach it at the same place (also R&D and production ...) Plisetsk for start-up and start up calmly, I think it will be cheaper at times ... hi

                Of course, I have worked all my production life far from Topol, and so on. products. But, the main thing, in my opinion, is to modify the flying iron to the standards of civilian use, and to make it possible (if this is possible in principle) from a standard launcher, but from where, starting from 90 degrees or from 0 degrees is no longer R&D, and geo-referencing, which is done not in the research institute, but in the troops.
                1. MPN
                  MPN 17 May 2018 19: 56
                  +5
                  Quote: Vkd dvk
                  But, most importantly, in my opinion, to modify the flying iron to the standards of civilian use, and to make it possible (if this is possible in principle) from a standard launcher

                  Here, like the traz and all of the above, the army will not calculate the orbit and the place in orbit for undocking from the satellite does not have the means for this. There are structures that deal with this ... From a rocket, in my opinion, only the engines will fit well with the body, change the stuffing, and it all starts just with what I described above ... it’s easiest to empty and the container is not important here, it’s Essentials for transporting and ensuring the operation of the BG (temperature, automatic data entry into the BG, providing a mortar launch). He’s superfluous in fact ...
                  1. Vkd dvk
                    Vkd dvk 17 May 2018 21: 09
                    0
                    Quote: MPN
                    Quote: Vkd dvk
                    But, most importantly, in my opinion, to modify the flying iron to the standards of civilian use, and to make it possible (if this is possible in principle) from a standard launcher

                    Here, like the traz and all of the above, the army will not calculate the orbit and the place in orbit for undocking from the satellite does not have the means for this. There are structures that deal with this ... From a rocket, in my opinion, only the engines will fit well with the body, change the stuffing, and it all starts just with what I described above ... it’s easiest to empty and the container is not important here, it’s Essentials for transporting and ensuring the operation of the BG (temperature, automatic data entry into the BG, providing a mortar launch). He’s superfluous in fact ...

                    I do not agree. Not logical. From the deck, even the battleship Poplar will not fly. Mast, mount, and so on. need to? - that is, a skimmed floating platform. But is the undocking of steps, accelerator, separation, etc. done by the operator from the MCC? Not automatic? Isn’t the undocking done at the end of the last stage, (accelerator), always in one timing, when the highest point of the orbit of the launch is reached? I won’t argue, it’s a project of an interested layman — to use such a tandem — all Topol’s dandies providing launch from the taiga, and a ship somewhere in warm tropical waters. Of course, at first the orbit is considered, and then the point is reached, and the launch is synchronized in time.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 May 2018 10: 14
    +15
    joking that we are selling "poplar" to Iran ... here is "tearing" from someone! belay laughing
    1. MPN
      MPN 17 May 2018 10: 18
      +8
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      joking that we are selling "poplar" to Iran ... here is "tearing" from someone! belay laughing

      good tongue laughing
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 17 May 2018 10: 20
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      joking that we are selling "poplar" to Iran ... here is "tearing" from someone!

      This thought, even with a reservation about a joke, sounds very frightening good
    3. Vanek
      Vanek 17 May 2018 10: 25
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      .here "tear" from someone!


      Yes you, my friend, a maniac, however.

      Andrei hi
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 17 May 2018 13: 10
      0
      Netanyahu immediately rushes to Moscow again good
      The main thing is to say that this is a response to aggression against Syria and its people, maybe they will stop supporting ISIS at least temporarily.
  3. impostor
    impostor 17 May 2018 10: 18
    +1
    The terms are extended, maybe he will get to know better with Texas or Minnesota.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 17 May 2018 13: 48
      +1
      We carry light and warmth to the homes of Americans. "All the best for children - American" (DMB)
      1. impostor
        impostor 17 May 2018 14: 27
        0
        Interestingly, and RTBshniki guys with humor? Do they write such wishes on their heads?
  4. Simon
    Simon 17 May 2018 10: 23
    +2
    Oh how! And they said that military rocket technology could not be converted ?! Nothing is wasted here, the satellites will soon fly into space. good Only Gorbachev and Yeltsin cut rocket launchers, and the Americans and even hydraulic scissors for this sent them a gift for free !. fool
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 May 2018 10: 23
    +2
    And yesterday we discussed exactly this idea. Therefore, there is nothing to add. request
  6. Doliva63
    Doliva63 17 May 2018 10: 31
    +5
    Start-1 - 250 kg. Of useful load. Chubais nano-satellites will display? laughing drinks
    1. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 17 May 2018 10: 55
      0
      I don’t know, the wiki says the cast weight is 1200kg
    2. Orkraider
      Orkraider 17 May 2018 11: 21
      +2
      Quote: Doliva63
      Start 1

      Let me correct you, the payload of the four-stage Start-1 on the DOE is 500 kg of payload. Five-stage start - 800 kg at the DOE.
      This is quite enough for launching a number of cargoes, the same Canopus-B (450 kg), EROS-B (290 kg), spacecraft like OneWeb (150 kg), and D33 type satellites.

      Thus, for the launch of remote sensing satellites of the Earth's surface, the Start capabilities are quite sufficient.
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 17 May 2018 10: 50
    +2
    The idea has long been in the air. Moreover, with relatively small redistributions, it can also be used with mobile standard installations, which, after decommissioning, are also most likely intended for a knife. All debited are unlikely to use, but 50 percent will already be fine. A relatively small payload is compensated by the virtually free missiles available. It is important that it will be possible to offer the customer "urgent" launches.
  8. flicker
    flicker 17 May 2018 11: 28
    +2
    Poplars "will not remain idle
    We will sell the S-300 to Iran, and to Israel, for one we will check the effectiveness of both the first and second, and we will remain with a profit.
  9. shura7782
    shura7782 17 May 2018 11: 44
    0
    Even before reading the article, it was thought that the further use of Topol will be as targets. It turned out that there is a more effective option for their further application.
  10. Old military officer
    Old military officer 17 May 2018 11: 48
    0
    This is the conversion! All in business.
    1. net0103net
      net0103net 17 May 2018 12: 07
      0
      Look, they didn’t get over it, otherwise commercial satellites will launch, it’s a shame. There Medvedev with Kudrin and Mutko remained in the government - anything can be expected.
      1. Chicha squad
        Chicha squad 17 May 2018 14: 12
        +1
        Maybe there are three of them, in Poplar? The first space tourists of Russia will be.
  11. net0103net
    net0103net 17 May 2018 12: 02
    +1
    Well, if modernization, as they say "from combat to space," leads to the fact that Russia's military presence in space will be increased, then this is not bad.
  12. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 17 May 2018 13: 48
    +1
    Is it possible to launch it from a mobile launcher with a satellite?
    1. slipped
      slipped 17 May 2018 14: 05
      0
      Launch of the Start-1 rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in 2000.

      1. Chicha squad
        Chicha squad 17 May 2018 14: 07
        +1
        So this is a saving, and no launch pad is needed.
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  14. Lesorub
    Lesorub 17 May 2018 18: 08
    +1
    For this, the rocket was upgraded from a combat version to a space carrier.

    Yeah, blurring your eyes! , upgrade the "Poplar", they will serve as a combat unit for a long time!
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  16. Old26
    Old26 17 May 2018 21: 24
    0
    According to the agency, referring to open sources, today in service with the Strategic Missile Forces are about 70-ti Topol ballistic missiles.

    About half as much.

    Quote: MPN
    The satellite must go into the calculated orbit, it is difficult to calculate from anywhere ...

    They were never allowed from anywhere. All launches of the Start launch vehicle at the Topol base were carried out mainly from the cosmodrome FREE (5 out of 7 starts)

    Quote: Simon
    Oh how! And they said that military rocket technology could not be converted ?!

    Who spoke? IKSPERDY from the media? Of all the USSR launch vehicles, only Energia was a purely civilian development (and even then I’m not 100% sure). All the rest are conversion ...

    Quote: Doliva63
    Start-1 - 250 kg. Of useful load. Chubais nano-satellites will display? laughing drinks

    Valentine! It all depends on the orbit. In general, with respect to START-1, it is most often mentioned that it is capable of removing from 320 to 550 kg a load of 300-700 km in polar orbit. When the orbit changes, the payload will change accordingly.

    Quote: Warrior-80
    I don’t know, the wiki says the cast weight is 1200kg

    The ICBM Topol has an abandoned weight of 1000 kg. The "Poplar-M" - 1200 kg. For Topol-based launch vehicles, from 320 to 850 kg, depending on carrier modification and orbit parameters

    Quote: shura7782
    Even before reading the article, it was thought that the further use of Topol will be as targets. It turned out that there is a more effective option for their further application.

    It is difficult to say how intensively they will be used. For 13 years from 1993 to 2006, 7 launches of launchers were carried out on the basis of this ICBM. The last 12 years on the "Starts" did not let anything

    Quote: net0103net
    Well, if modernization, as they say "from combat to space," leads to the fact that Russia's military presence in space will be increased, then this is not bad.

    What will the "military presence" in space be expressed in?

    Quote: slipped
    Launch of the Start-1 rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in 2000.

    From Plesetsk? Perhaps from Plesetsk, but is it accurate in 2000? As far as I remember, launches were carried out
    Start-1 = 25.03.1993/XNUMX/XNUMX = Plesetsk
    Start = 28.03.1995/XNUMX/XNUMX = Plesetsk (emergency)
    Start-1.2 = 04.03.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Start-1 = 24.12.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Start-1 = 05.12.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Start-1 = 20.02.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Start-1 = 25.04.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Or not?

    Quote: Lesorub
    Yeah, blurring your eyes! , upgrade the "Poplar", they will serve as a combat unit for a long time!

    Yeah! that’s what they write off intensively ....
  17. slipped
    slipped 17 May 2018 23: 18
    0
    Quote: Old26

    Quote: slipped
    Launch of the Start-1 rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in 2000.

    From Plesetsk? Perhaps from Plesetsk, but is it accurate in 2000? As far as I remember, launches were carried out
    Start-1 = 25.03.1993/XNUMX/XNUMX = Plesetsk
    Start = 28.03.1995/XNUMX/XNUMX = Plesetsk (emergency)
    Start-1.2 = 04.03.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Start-1 = 24.12.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Start-1 = 05.12.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Start-1 = 20.02.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Start-1 = 25.04.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX = Free
    Or not?


    For what I "bought", http://visualrian.ru/media/310729.html, if anyone made a mistake, then this is a photographer.
  18. Old26
    Old26 18 May 2018 12: 03
    0
    Quote: slipped
    For what I "bought", http://visualrian.ru/media/310729.html, if anyone made a mistake, then this is a photographer.

    I was simply surprised by the year and place. Both that and another was, but not in 2000 with Plesetsk