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"Tsushima 2.0" just around the corner?

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It so happened that over the past decades, the Pacific Fleet of Russia found itself in a kind of shadow of two other fleets: the Northern and the Black Sea. In many ways, this was objective: it was further from the main “hot spots”, to which Moscow’s attention had been riveted all this time, and did not experience such dramatic events as the annexation of the Crimea with the subsequent active build-up of forces and means in this direction.




But, despite all this, the Pacific Fleet still remains the most important component of our military power at the Far Eastern border of Russia and throughout the Asia-Pacific region. His own area of ​​responsibility is comparable in size to the areas of direct responsibility of the other three fleets combined. And the presence of several states in the region at once, whose economy feels much more prosperous than the Russian, and investing very serious means and efforts in improving its naval forces, does not leave us any chance of any kindliness.

The current state of affairs in the Pacific navy it is completely inconsistent with the role that we are supposed to play in the region. The fleet of Japan is actively growing and improving. South Korea is not far behind her. Both of these states have such a serious advantage as access to American technology, coupled with their own economic power.

For example, both of these states already are armed destroyers with command and control systems "Aegis". In Japan, they are destroyers of the type "Atago" and "Congo" (only six ships at the moment), and in South Korea - the "Sejong the Great". There are plans to increase the number of such ships, in particular, because of the North Korean missile threat, and also, although it is not directly voiced, because of the rapidly growing power of the Chinese Navy.

Our neighbors are seriously investing in the development of the submarine fleet. It is also necessary to note the high technological level of Japanese and South Korean non-nuclear submarines. The “Soryu” type Japanese submarines are already considered to be among the best in the world: they are low noise, have an auxiliary air-independent power plant (Stirling engine), and are equipped with modern weapons. At the moment, there are nine such submarines in the Japanese Navy, the tenth is on the stocks. And starting from the eleventh, the boats will be equipped with modern lithium-ion batteries instead of the Stirling VNEU, which will not only increase the resource of their diving, but also significantly increase their underwater speed in a combat situation, without losing stealth.

Our South Korean neighbors are not far behind the Japanese. They already have seven “Hon Bom Do” submarines built according to the German 214 project. Submarines of this type have an air-independent electrochemical power plant, which allows them to develop up to 20 nodes under water. Armed boats, in addition to the torpedo, and more missile weapons, including cruise missiles. In addition to the existing ones, two more submarines of this type are currently being completed.

And they are already being replaced by the boats of the Chang Bogo III national development (KSS-3), which have a displacement of 3, 000 tons, and are armed, including Henm-3 cruise missiles. There is also information that later versions of these submarines can be equipped with medium-range ballistic missiles.

Probably, there is no special need to mention the fact that the Chinese Navy is developing quite actively. The recent appearance of a second aircraft carrier in its structure, this time of its own construction, is best confirmed by the idea that this regional (so far!) Player pays great attention to the development of his fleet, not sparing either funds or efforts in the field of scientific and technical developments.

And what can we answer? Alas, if you do not hide your head in the sand, then there is little.

The combat structure of the Pacific Fleet currently has 67 combat units. Of these, 56 overcame 25-year service life and, often, only with great stretch can be called combat-ready. Some of the ships, formally still listed in the fleet's combat strength, are in fact simply waiting for recycling at the quay walls.

Probably, the situation could be corrected by active modernization of the combat vessels. But let's be frank here too: because of a number of both objective and subjective problems, our shipbuilding industry is now in a very sad state. The rearmament program before 2020 of the year in terms of meeting the needs of the Navy is in fact disrupted, with the exception of the absolutely priority direction of construction and modernization of strategic submarines.

The replenishment expected on the Pacific Fleet in the coming years is also not very large. A few corvettes, four small rocket ships, a series of six diesel-electric submarines - this is what can be expected with a high degree of probability on our Pacific coast by the 2027 year. Unless, of course, the next rearmament program will be frustrated. Yes, there is an important nuance: all these ships are planned to be equipped with modern rocket armament, in particular, the Kaliningrad and Onyx cruise missiles. But against the background of the general state of affairs in the fleet, including in the field of missile weapons, this will not make the weather. Rather, we are simply closer to the capabilities of forward departed neighbors, but no more.

The situation could be changed by large surface ships, but the prospects for their appearance in the composition of the Pacific Fleet are rather vague. The project of the destroyer “Leader”, as it is known, has not yet reached the level of at least finished “in paper”, at the level of drawings and design and estimate documentation. About aircraft carriers, or at least missile cruisers, isn’t at all, such if it’s planned, it’s obviously not in the next decade and not in the Pacific Fleet. Although we have a need for large surface ships in this region: all our destroyers (including BOD here) have earned honest 25 years, and there are not so many opportunities for their modernization. The same applies to the only Pacific missile cruiser.

It turns out that the only thing in which we surpass at least our neighbors (with the exception of the United States, it is also a neighbor) is strategic and multi-purpose nuclear submarines. That, on the one hand, is logical, but on the other hand, it would seem to more than cover all the possibilities of any foreign fleet in the region.

But we all understand, of course, that nuclear submarines, especially equipped with sea-based strategic ballistic missiles, are weapon retaliation global war, not a means to suppress the enemy combat conflict low and medium intensity. And by betting solely on them, we find ourselves in a deliberately losing position. The situation in which we secured our borders, but could neither help our allies, nor ensure the safety of our own sea communications, is in principle unacceptable for a state that actively protects its geopolitical interests. Namely, in this situation, we now find ourselves.

You should also remember that the SSBN and SSGN themselves in need of support. We are almost unable to “squeeze out” foreign submarines from the waters directly adjacent to the bases of our “strategists” in Kamchatka, and in the foreseeable future the situation in these areas may worsen even more. We will soon have simply nothing to search for American submarine “hunters”, or there will be so little power that we simply cannot even speak about the quality control of the reference zones during the period of danger.

Do not forget that our nearest neighbor, Japan has territorial claims to Russia. It is clear that the Japanese are unlikely to rush to seize our Kuriles. But let's imagine for a moment that they were able to covertly develop nuclear ammunition. In general, there is nothing incredible about this: even Israel, which does not have even one-tenth of the Japanese industrial and technological potential, could do it. And if this happens, how will the situation in the region change?

And it is enough just to predict. In conditions when the use of nuclear weapons by one of the parties becomes impossible due to the threat of a counter-strike, the superiority factor in conventional, non-nuclear weapons will take the first role. And here the Japanese have excellent positions: a fleet of a hundred pennants, well balanced and technically perfect. Enough powerful air force, which is just now being equipped with the latest American F-35. The proximity of our own military bases against our eternal logistical mayhem.

Therefore, if at one not the most beautiful moment we suddenly find out that Japan has become a nuclear power, it will be too late to “drink Borjomi”: The Kuriles will instantly fall off, and it is good, if only the South. And we can only prevent with the risk of getting another “Tsushima”, which cannot be taken: in the case of a major military defeat, we will definitely lose both the entire Kuril ridge and half of Sakhalin in addition ...

It is clear that the voiced scenario is not currently a high priority. But, as practice shows, it is foolish to hope for gentlemanly behavior of geopolitical competitors: alas, international treaties are observed only as long as it is beneficial for both parties.

Therefore, the future reduction of the military budget of the Russian Federation looks rather doubtful. And from the eastern frontiers of Russia - and completely stupid ...
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 May 2018 05: 35
    +63
    Therefore, if at one not the most wonderful moment we suddenly find out that Japan has become a nuclear power, it will be too late to “drink Borjomi”: the Kuril Islands will instantly fall off, and it’s good if only the South
    the author "had a smoke" with the Kuril Islands clearly ... and the option that Japan would go under water was not considered?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 17 May 2018 07: 02
      +11
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      the author "had a smoke" with the Kuril Islands clearly ...

      It’s a good journalistic reception, to frighten with something that would treat the main text with attention
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 17 May 2018 07: 57
        +14
        By the way, the Navy commander-in-chief decided to rename the latest corvette of the 20380 project "Perfect" of the Pacific Fleet to the "Welded" corvette. Already for 8 months, the corvette heroically shows the flag at the 33 Pacific Fleet berth and serves as an excursion site along with such illustrious ships as the Red Pennant guard and the Aurora cruiser. Meanwhile, the Pacific Fleet did not find a combat ship for the Komodo-2018 exercises in Indonesia. The Perekop training ship was sent to demonstrate the flag.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 May 2018 08: 43
        +10
        Quote: Chertt
        frighten with anything that would treat the main text with attention

        as a rule, after stupidity in one paragraph, the attitude to the whole article is the same
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 17 May 2018 09: 01
          +5
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          as a rule, after stupidity in one paragraph, the attitude to the whole article is the same

          Yes, to be honest, the article itself is not very good. Subject hackneyed to indecency. Well, since they wrote, well, a hundred, well, ten thousand articles, let’s tolerate it, read it. But such "Kamaz waste paper". Already offer something (real) start
      3. Nick
        Nick 21 May 2018 21: 09
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        It’s a good journalistic reception, to frighten with something that would treat the main text with attention

        Yeah, especially to protect our maritime communications. laughing Our communications are land and laid on its own territory. Russia is a continental power. We can carry out all logistics operations to protect our own territory in case of aggression in our own territory and in our airspace.
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 17 May 2018 08: 22
      +9
      The author clearly did not hear about Fukushima ....
      Before the disaster at Fukushima, Japan had 54 operating nuclear reactors (third in the world after France and the USA and first in Asia). Japan's nuclear power plants generated about 30% of the country's electricity .. Currently, 17 nuclear power plants (53 nuclear reactors) are operating in Japan, with a total capacity of 46236 MW, plus three reactors (3300 MW) are under construction and 13 more are planned to be built (17915 MW).
      Fukushima questioned the future of nuclear power. Japan said it intends to completely abandon the peaceful atom, and in September 2013 it stopped the work of all nuclear power plants
      The authorities are going to re-commission about 40 reactors, they will cover up to 22% of the country's energy needs by 2030 year. Reactors are now undergoing certification for compliance with the new rules, after which they will return to work in turn.
      1. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 17 May 2018 15: 05
        +3
        The author did not mention China and North Korea at all. I don’t think that they will stay away if such a concrete batch starts, when Japan and South Korea decide to run into the Pacific Fleet. I think no one will dare to lay bare their borders, diverting forces to Russia.
    3. andj61
      andj61 17 May 2018 08: 57
      +6
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Therefore, if at one not the most wonderful moment we suddenly find out that Japan has become a nuclear power, it will be too late to “drink Borjomi”: the Kuril Islands will instantly fall off, and it’s good if only the South
      the author "had a smoke" with the Kuril Islands clearly ... and the option that Japan would go under water was not considered?

      The author not only smoked with the Kuril Islands, but also re-crossed with Sakhalin - the very presence of nuclear weapons in Japan will not affect the military-strategic alignment in the region - as it was with the nuclear forces in mind, it will remain so. hi
      1. credo
        credo 17 May 2018 13: 02
        +7
        Quote: andj61
        The author not only smoked with the Kuril Islands, but also re-crossed with Sakhalin - the very presence of nuclear weapons in Japan will not affect the military-strategic alignment in the region - as it was with the nuclear forces in mind, it will remain so.

        Probably the author of the article is really worried about our Pacific Fleet and its condition, and this is not bad, but I just didn’t understand why the author believes that Russia will not be able to use nuclear weapons if it finds itself in a hopeless situation. And why is it then created, if not for use in a hopeless situation? It should be borne in mind that if for the Far East of Russia an attack by Japan with the indicated weapon would be significant damage, then for Japan the same strikes would be catastrophic, especially if these strikes would be delivered, including against numerous Japanese nuclear power plants and chemical plants.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 9 June 2018 11: 14
          +2
          In order to use nuclear weapons, being in a desperate situation, the leaders and senior management of the country as a whole, families and children must live in their homeland.
          And these leaders themselves must have the courage to apply it.
          In those that are now in power, from top to bottom, this is completely not visible.

          And according to the article, or rather about our poor fellow of the Pacific Fleet (others also do not really shine, alas).
          The normal leadership of the country was not supposed to be engaged in olympiads and mundiales, but to restore the combat capabilities of the armed forces lost over a quarter century.
          And now - not to deal with the bridge to Sakhalin, but so that no one would dare to think of the Kuril Islands, even in their dreams.
          It is necessary to understand for a long time, if the world wars start, then we will be alone against the whole West (and Japan and South Korea are also a conditional West).
    4. sergo1914
      sergo1914 17 May 2018 10: 51
      +2
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Therefore, if at one not the most wonderful moment we suddenly find out that Japan has become a nuclear power, it will be too late to “drink Borjomi”: the Kuril Islands will instantly fall off, and it’s good if only the South
      the author "had a smoke" with the Kuril Islands clearly ... and the option that Japan would go under water was not considered?


      I agree. What are the Kuril Islands? Washes everything to hell.
    5. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 17 May 2018 17: 26
      +1
      Andrey Yuryevich yes where is the author
      "had a smoke" with the Kuril Islands clearly ... and the option that Japan would go under water was not considered?
      . The problem is very relevant for us! Shipbuilding, with the exception of maybe Sevmash and a number of enterprises producing ships of rank 3 and boats, leaves much to be desired, and we even manage to cook for export in such a situation, to the detriment of ourselves. We can’t, it’s different, the third is that it turns out that the author really argues. And that Japan will go under water due to, say, a tectonic shift, so we will also be washed away by the tsunami. Yes, and people have more selfish interests.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 May 2018 05: 53
    +6
    Kuril Islands instantly fall off, and well, if only South. And we can only prevent this from happening at the risk of another Tsushima, which we cannot go to: in the event of a major military defeat, we will definitely lose both the entire Kuril ridge and half of Sakhalin in addition ...

    Does the author seriously think so ??? !!!! ???
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 17 May 2018 06: 44
      +9
      we’ll lose both the entire Kuril ridge and half of Sakhalin in addition ...
      I’m about to move out, and the bridge has not yet been built!
      Well colleagues reassured. But the message is correct - you can’t forget about Pacific Fleet!
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 17 May 2018 07: 08
        +7
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        But the message is correct - you can’t forget about Pacific Fleet!

        recourse How can an article from Murzilka magazine be the right message?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 17 May 2018 07: 30
          +7
          And what, our Pacific Fleet is young and fervent?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 May 2018 09: 38
            +4
            Missile systems, including coastal ones, are young and perky.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 17 May 2018 07: 42
          +7
          Quote: Serg65
          How can an article from Murzilka magazine be the right message?
          Reply

          If the correct things are written in the murzilka, will you call this bullshit? wink
          The author went too far in the scenario with "nuclear" Japan and the capture of the Kuril Islands, but in many ways he is right. Only in the role of an aggressor in the Far East should be considered not Japan, but China.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 17 May 2018 08: 37
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            but in many ways he is right

            In many ways?
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Only in the role of an aggressor in the Far East should be considered not Japan, but China.

            That is, do you, as an NSH, think that China will start a war on the Kuril Islands or on Sakhalin? good
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 17 May 2018 19: 56
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              Do you, as an NSH, think that China will start a war on the Kuril Islands or on Sakhalin?
              And you compare the potentials of the fleets! wink
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 18 May 2018 06: 32
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And you compare the potentials of the fleets!

                Why compare the potentials of the fleets when you need to compare the potentials of the land armies and the air force wink
                And yes, why should China attack Russia ????
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 18 May 2018 06: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Serg65
                  And yes, why should China attack Russia ????

                  Resources and territories, not? wink
                  And yes. China's ground forces and air forces are many times larger. And as a quick catch up. hi
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 18 May 2018 07: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Resources and territories, not?

                    Resources and the territory to the south are much more interesting than the impassable taiga and Russian frosts, the seized captured increases significantly!
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    China's Ground Forces and Air Force

                    I agree, yes, that’s why it is more necessary to focus on this!
                    hi
                    1. Evgeniy667b
                      Evgeniy667b 19 May 2018 19: 52
                      +4
                      Then they (the Chinese) just intensively export. Some places have already been taken out completely
                    2. Reklastik
                      Reklastik 21 May 2018 07: 10
                      +1
                      Resources and territory south are much more interesting
                      - then why would anyone need the Arctic, because there are places and warmer .....
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 21 May 2018 07: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Reklastik
                        then why would anyone need the Arctic

                        While the Arctic was in the ice, nobody needed it, as soon as the ice began to melt, everyone saw in the Arctic a beautiful road from Asia to Europe (or vice versa), that's all!
                2. sarissa
                  sarissa 18 May 2018 08: 10
                  +1
                  LORD! It’s worthless to forget Port Arthur and Tsushima a bit. They DO NOT forget. And the category: “... I’ll pile you all right now ...” - leave it for jokes. Samson was also strong. elite ...
                  1. Yarhann
                    Yarhann 21 May 2018 16: 45
                    -1
                    Well then, the Yapis should not forget the kheroshima and Nagasaki - naturally, combat units will arrive not in these two villages, but in the cities where the Navy bases and so on are located.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 May 2018 08: 44
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            If the correct things are written in the murzilka, will you call this bullshit?

            probably not, but Murzilka will give you an article at the level of a paper boat, not a detailed analysis
          3. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint 17 May 2018 09: 13
            0
            With what fright?) Are there at least some hints, assumptions, actions?) Our scribblers did more in this respect than all of China when they wrote horror stories for years
          4. Nick
            Nick 21 May 2018 21: 18
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Only in the role of an aggressor in the Far East should be considered not Japan, but China.

            Shoot in your foot? The Chinese are not so stupid. Confront the US in the ocean, and Russia on land.
  3. Amateur
    Amateur 17 May 2018 06: 17
    +2
    "And we can only prevent this from happening at the risk of another Tsushima, which we cannot go to: in the event of a major military defeat, we will definitely lose both the entire Kuril ridge and half of Sakhalin to boot ..." And we are discussing in all that we smoke in Ukraine . They didn’t even think of such nonsense. Or is it our asymmetric response to the proposal to bomb the Crimean bridge?
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 29 May 2018 09: 56
      +3
      But what have you read about delusional? Suppose Japan today landed an assault on the Kuril Islands, who throws a nuclear bomb at them? Yes, no one! But how did this assault force smoke the fleet with our forces? No way !!! That's what the article is about, that it could be quite real, and the fleet is up and running.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 29 May 2018 12: 58
        0
        Perhaps you think that the paratroopers will carry the bomb in the backpack (from Yablokov), with the cry of Hurray and a three-line to the edge,?
  4. forester
    forester 17 May 2018 06: 26
    +5
    Not an article but a whining and delusions
  5. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 17 May 2018 06: 31
    +3
    Another article on the topic "Everything is lost, prosralipolymers"?)))
    1. odometer
      odometer 17 May 2018 06: 42
      +15
      There may be an article on the topic “everything was lost”, but comments, as always, on the topic “we can repeat” and “little blood”.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 17 May 2018 07: 10
        +2
        Quote: curvimeter
        Maybe the article on the topic "everything is lost"

        Well, try to comment on the article, not the comments?
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 May 2018 08: 45
        0
        Quote: curvimeter
        but comments, as always, on the subject of “we can repeat” and “little blood”.

        komenty about the fact that there is no need for the confectioner to go into discussions of the processor unit
      3. sarissa
        sarissa 18 May 2018 09: 10
        0
        "Vasya, and Vasya, what has divorced?"
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 May 2018 06: 53
    +4
    we suddenly learn that Japan has become a nuclear power, it will be too late to “drink Borjomi”: the Kuril Islands will instantly fall off, and it’s good if only the South
    The author in what reality lives? Or started playing computer games? And about the military budget, the author in vain beat the bells, because too early. It was said that at minimal cost we get weapons that have no analogues in the world.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 17 May 2018 10: 36
      +9
      Fresh tradition, but hard to believe. What in other industries we do not achieve success with low costs? Or are our secrets low-cost?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 17 May 2018 10: 40
        +2
        What, in other industries, are we not achieving success at a low cost?
        Believe - do not believe your private affair and this will not increase the country's defense. And the conversation was about this if you did not notice.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 17 May 2018 10: 42
          +3
          I noticed that the TALK was on.
  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 17 May 2018 06: 56
    +7
    And I thought that Damantsev was aroused to life, the same "guard" in the article.
    The author clearly took something exciting, and now he is actively hallucinating. Certainly not Japan, with its geographical position and geological features of the islands, to threaten someone with nuclear weapons. You may not have time to run away, and there will be nowhere to go.
    And why is it only the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin that are the subject of consideration of the author? Let’s take more broadly, all the territorial dreams of Yamato: Manchuria, the Far East, Mongolia, Singapore, Southeast China, the Hawaiian archipelago, Indonesia and the Philippines. There were many Wishlist, up to Australia.
    Silenok enough to bite off such a piece? A swallow? A digest?
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 11: 43
      0
      Choke wink We will defeat them all wink How is the armor strong and our tanks are fast wink In general, the Japanese have no samurai spirit wink
  8. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 17 May 2018 07: 04
    0
    Nothing will "fall off" anywhere. The use of conventional weapons does not save from the use of nuclear weapons, so any dreams of a mattress direction that are not applicable are idiotic at least.
  9. Simon
    Simon 17 May 2018 07: 05
    +13
    Quote: Flame
    Another article on the topic "Everything is lost, prosralipolymers"?)))

    In the 30s of the last century, they also thought that we were strong and our tanks were fast, that we would destroy all the enemy oddities that would still blow to our country. As a result, what happened in 1941 and what it led to is already known to everyone. A difficult situation has turned out for our state. So that I support the author’s article. No need to rush from side to side of course, but it is necessary to strengthen the Far East!
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 17 May 2018 10: 40
      +7
      I completely agree with you. From the military there are only abandoned towns.
    2. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 11: 40
      0
      But we eventually won wink
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 17 May 2018 12: 02
        +1
        Who won?
  10. tasha
    tasha 17 May 2018 07: 09
    +2
    although this is not directly voiced, due to the rapidly growing power of the Chinese Navy.

    The author of the article did not answer the question - how will the PRC behave when Japan has nuclear weapons ... And in general, will it allow it.
    1. Bigbraza
      17 May 2018 07: 27
      +2
      This is an interesting topic for analysis, but in another article. However, it is already possible to note one fundamental error in such reasonings - if we hope for someone else's opinion, we will definitely remain without pants, and, mb, without a head. Therefore, China is China, and they themselves must be with a mustache.
      1. tasha
        tasha 17 May 2018 07: 40
        0
        Is it about hoping for someone else's opinion?
        If your article is located in the "Analytics" section, then you should not forget about the centuries-old confrontation between Japan and China.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 17 May 2018 12: 04
      +1
      The Japanese will not even ask! By the way, they announced 10 years ago that the creation of nuclear weapons would take them no more than a year. And they will spit in China.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 17 May 2018 13: 38
        0
        The Japanese will not even ask! ,, Are you serious? Who will allow them? Japan is an occupied country.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 17 May 2018 15: 19
          +1
          Gg however poorly you know the Japanese. The fact that there is a US base does not mean occupation. Otherwise, following your logic, Russia occupied Syria, Armenia and where else are our bases?
          1. RaptorF22
            RaptorF22 17 May 2018 16: 11
            +1
            He is the chief specialist in Japan wink I am sure that he knows them even better than the Japanese themselves wink Or maybe he’ve never even talked to or met with them in his life. wink But having looked at Kiselyov and Solovyov, he became a mega specialist wink Or maybe he thinks that the Japanese are sleeping and seeing to return the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin lol Upset him wink The bulk of the Japanese do not want any war winked You will not believe it, but in their first place, work, home, work wink Why fight when it is much more profitable to trade? We ourselves drive energy wink Moreover, a lot of our citizens are not very happy with this. Therefore, no war will be fought. All wars are fought mainly because of business and a lot of money. Why fight if it is much more profitable and much cheaper to buy?
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 17 May 2018 18: 34
              +1
              Yes, they don’t need to buy anything, and so they were given the regime of greatest prosperity in the Far Eastern waters. By the way, they even almost ceased to engage in poaching fishing in our territorial waters. Since ours themselves carry them all, the Japanese buy more expensively and almost all fish processing plants have collapsed
              1. RaptorF22
                RaptorF22 18 May 2018 00: 48
                0
                That’s what I meant, what is the point of fighting if we give everything back?
          2. ventel
            ventel 17 May 2018 17: 46
            0
            I also want to add that Great Britain is also occupied by the Americans, because the US bases are located on the territory of a nuclear state.
  11. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 May 2018 07: 23
    +7
    Poorly ! Everything is very bad! The quiet one needs to be equipped, but there is simply no shipbuilding capacity, at one time the "effective managers" tried. Talking about friendship in the Far East is an "empty" ringing - knowing the mentality of neighbors. He served in Zavoyko, I know! Then at least with the minesweeps, but with the IPCs everything was fine, but now? It doesn’t work out well, and the stories about which “Leader” will be good are already outdated. Where is he ?
  12. Skipper
    Skipper 17 May 2018 08: 05
    +6
    In general, I agree with the author to become. If you look at the fleet in non-media articles and not by Kultpohod on the fleet, but with knowledge of the matter. That is not so good. At least for submarines. A potential adversary together has more than 20 modern non-nuclear submarines, and we have 7 diesel-electric submarines for the entire Pacific Fleet. And I wouldn’t say for the number if they had the best performance characteristics and the best combat capabilities, but this is not. As my friend with the Pacific Fleet said: “The fleet seems to be there, but if you take a closer look, it is not there. Sheer sediment without normal repair and modernization.”
  13. andrewkor
    andrewkor 17 May 2018 08: 07
    +3
    The author uses the concepts of Tsushima-1, the quantity and quality of warships themselves. Nuclear weapons, and especially tactical nuclear weapons, completely change the strategy of naval combat, in particular. I just can’t imagine how the landing force of a potential enemy can even approach with impunity, say to Kunashir without having received, in which case, several tens of kilotons as a “gift”! All possible scenarios for the development of events have already been worked out at exercises and staff games, it is necessary to hope that the military, with the permission of the Commander-in-Chief, will not flinch at the acute moment . (wow, how many commas)!
    In the blessed times of the USSR, an “elite” construction team from the Altai Territory, in particular with the IPA, “landed” in Kunashir in the summer, it was considered an honor and a great success to get into it, which is why I am not so indifferent to this issue !!!
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 11: 38
      0
      Correctly soldier Only on a foreign land and little blood wink
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 17 May 2018 13: 39
        +1
        Only on a foreign land and with little blood, yes, calm down. Crush a couple with the author of the valerian.
        1. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 17 May 2018 15: 58
          0
          When I read posts like yours lol It seems that you already rolled lol And the campaign is not snacking wink
  14. tank66
    tank66 17 May 2018 08: 09
    +10
    It’s right. It’s better to stay away than not. I’ll say for what I saw. In 2013, in Aniva Bay / I was there on a boat /, in Gluhomani, in the summer I personally observed three heavily equipped short-cut Japs who examined the coast under the legend “we otrologists” / from the word otter, of which I didn’t meet any there /. True, our guide accompanied them, with the eyes of a tired special officer, but these sons were yellow @, without hesitation he did very smartly doing their black / yellow / military geodesic case. Just in case, yeah ... Well, and not quite the topic - in China. Without pretending to be a professional analyst. In my opinion, for us, the "litmus test" will be Mongolia, in the sense that it will be picked up , and climb / more actively than now / to the Kazakh brothers. And apparently (and it’s a little good) in the Celestial Empire they work according to a leisurely training manual, with the cultivation of a loyal colonial elite, take a look, for the sake of interest, on the Renmin Ribao, how many Mongolian children are given grants for learning the Chinese language, and how they are taken “for free” to his "camping trips". Straight bold parallel with the cultivation of the Bender Jugend is visible.
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 11: 36
      0
      Yes, generally horror belay Recently, somewhere read the son of a State Duma deputy studied in the States wink A good future deputy and maybe the president of the Russian Federation soldier
    2. Igor Titov
      Igor Titov 20 May 2018 12: 35
      0
      Tank, why should the Japs KGB escort? Sakhalin - the island is free, they, and not only them, move here freely.
      You, like the author -> author -> author, want to breed us for unreasonable expenses. Than, I think, unknowingly, pouring water on the mill of our bosom partners.) No one will in the foreseeable future show aggression in our region.
      1. tank66
        tank66 20 May 2018 17: 18
        0
        Unconsciously-correct, in this case, the word. But. The case was 10 km from Krillon, finally your border zone. + Thundering in the distance, tank exercises were heard seriously. But I, for some time, I feel special, even if he followed me look. / case of the loss of 1,5 tons of soly 85g. Oksva Gygy. About aggression - I do not need to tell. ... in the 80th, as a pioneer, in a pioneer camp, I watched the “Red Devils” and regretted that the victory of communism was coming soon, and I won’t have time. to accomplish the Feat, and only 84g. , in the training session, the p / c Khomutov gave me a masterpiece phrase: "...... b, what a monkey, you haven’t lost it, now you will rot in Afghanistan. And I realized that the world is still not quite perfect ...
        1. Igor Titov
          Igor Titov 20 May 2018 23: 43
          0
          We at the 86 national team were strongly advised not to write reports to Afghanistan. I guess we lived in different countries.))
  15. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 May 2018 08: 41
    0
    Therefore, if at one not the most wonderful moment we suddenly find out that Japan has become a nuclear power, it will be too late to “drink Borjomi”: the Kuril Islands will instantly fall off, and it’s good if only the South.

    What does it mean to fall off?
    main article, or something to sprinkle? !!!
    this will happen as a result of aggression, internal unrest, how the states will behave in this situation, to forgive the "confectioner" about the "computers", it’s a pity that you can’t put a minus
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 11: 34
      0
      Yes, we will defeat everyone soldier Take, as in the Mikholkov film, shovels and rockets are not needed lol
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 May 2018 15: 51
        0
        this is what you wrote ?!
        or just the main number of characters and not the meaning?
        1. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 17 May 2018 16: 55
          +2
          Read those again that our haters write and everything will become clear wink I can’t read seriously lol
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 17 May 2018 18: 16
            0
            Well, answer them, to me, for what?
  16. seos
    seos 17 May 2018 09: 22
    0
    Israel did not develop nuclear weapons and it does not know how to produce them, 160 warheads were handed over to them by the United States thereby violating its own non-proliferation treaty ...
    The author himself notes that trough building in our country is in a dying state and it is impossible to resurrect it due to political and economic reasons. Proof of this is the construction by Yu. Korea of ​​1 year of a modern, huge UDC with an unattainable cost for us of 380 million dollars ... (this is equal to the cost of a corvette 20380 with a displacement of 7 times less) Our analog UDC "Surf" is estimated at from 800 to 1000 million $
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 May 2018 09: 40
      +1
      The trough structure in Russia is in good condition, the problem is - they build ships for a long time.
  17. Lunt
    Lunt 17 May 2018 10: 02
    0
    In the event of an attack, Japan will be terminated within XNUMX hours. No one there wants to turn their islands into a lifeless desert.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 17 May 2018 10: 55
      0
      Quote: Lunt
      In the event of an attack, Japan will be terminated within XNUMX hours. No one there wants to turn their islands into a lifeless desert.


      Do you want to say in the water?
    2. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 11: 31
      +3
      Yes, in general, we will throw all the hats wink
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 May 2018 12: 11
        +4
        They are under the mass of caps thrown and drown.
  18. Dam
    Dam 17 May 2018 10: 09
    0
    Bullshit
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 17 May 2018 10: 18
    +1
    The Japanese will wait for us to weaken and, preferably, will be engaged in a showdown in the west. And then their time may come.
  20. sergo1914
    sergo1914 17 May 2018 10: 54
    0
    I propose another option. Having received nuclear weapons, the samurai, from old memory and in revenge for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, crave for Pearl Harbor, San Francisco and Los Angeles.
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 11: 32
      +3
      What is it all of a sudden? wink
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 17 May 2018 15: 23
        0
        Quote: RaptorF22
        What is it all of a sudden? wink

        Почему нет?
  21. igorserg
    igorserg 17 May 2018 11: 43
    0
    I do not think that Russian intelligence would not have discovered the development of nuclear weapons in Japan. And upon detection, the same noise would have risen a long time ago as with respect to North Korea.
    1. Dude
      Dude 17 May 2018 12: 40
      -2
      I’m sure that Russian intelligence will not sleep, but the fact that the noise will rise is not a fact, not a fact ...
    2. ventel
      ventel 17 May 2018 18: 02
      +2
      Of course, I apologize, but I can hardly believe that intelligence will find out if they learn about the development of the military-industrial complex of Japan only when the products are already delivered to the troops.
      1. igorserg
        igorserg 17 May 2018 19: 02
        0
        You can’t put nuclear weapons without tests ...
        1. ventel
          ventel 17 May 2018 23: 47
          0
          What do you know about the testing of nuclear weapons in South Africa in the southern Indian Ocean in the 80s, the general wording and all. But neither the IAEA nor the intelligence agencies of the USA and the USSR, which very closely followed materials and technologies, could not comment on the fait accompli.
  22. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2018 11: 53
    +6
    Soon we will simply have nothing to look for American underwater "hunters", or we will have so few forces that we simply won’t even be able to talk about the quality control of support zones during the threatened period

    Why is it coming soon? It’s more correct to write "long ago."
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 17 May 2018 12: 09
      +2
      No Andrew, we find them when they deliberately discover themselves. Vobschem again began to become impudent, again they enter the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
      1. RaptorF22
        RaptorF22 17 May 2018 12: 20
        0
        Sea of ​​Okhotsk wink
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 17 May 2018 15: 21
          +1
          Well, yes, a little mistake turned out :)))
  23. Mih1974
    Mih1974 17 May 2018 14: 04
    +1
    The postulate "what if Japan with nuclear weapons attacks us - we will surrender right away" is moronic in nature. I want to recall for such alarmists that in addition to let hundreds of warheads from Japan, they have nothing to oppose to Russia. Let's take it even more seriously - the Japanese are beginning to "figure out the scribble to the nose" as if they would attack Russia with non-nuclear weapons and chop off the Kuril Islands !! Suppose that according to "calculations everything works out", then the smart military ask the second question - "what will Russia do after we defeat it with non-nuclear weapons?" and they themselves immediately answer - she will drown us in the Pacific like kittens am fool .
    The reason for such a bleak picture is simple - Japan is a very small country, they simply have nowhere to retreat, so Russia’s use of “only” one hundred battlefield from Japan will not remain at all a territory suitable for living outside chemical protection suits. negative At the same time, Russia is large enough and Japan will simply not be able to destroy its Japan with a hundred warheads.
    Well, and what follows from this - and the fact that there is no such option as defeating the Japanese in the War. tongue
  24. Imobile
    Imobile 17 May 2018 14: 40
    +1
    Therefore, the upcoming decline in the military budget of the Russian Federation looks rather dubious
    Even if we send the entire budget to defense, even if our economy were equal to the American, our chances would be equal to 0. We must learn to build a confederation.
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 17 May 2018 15: 51
      0
      Whose will you be, Confederate ????
  25. Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 May 2018 15: 32
    0
    Quote: Imobile
    Therefore, the upcoming decline in the military budget of the Russian Federation looks rather dubious
    Even if we send the entire budget to defense, even if our economy were equal to the American, our chances would be equal to 0. We must learn to build a confederation.

    We have the Russian Federation.
    If you are not comfortable, migrate to the confederation.
    Swiss for example.
    Good luck to you.
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 17 May 2018 16: 14
      0
      And why did you get so agitated, didn’t you happen to be from a rotten Foreign Ministry? Which even turn faithful allies into enemies? And in whom the enemy of our enemies is also our enemy? The US is strong in that they have NATO, be they stupid, why did they need NATO? Why do they just do NATO if they are the navel of the earth? They just think ahead.
    2. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 16: 44
      +1
      Great position if you don’t like it, leave immediately wink Always touched such statements wink Instead of developing our country, giving people more rights and freedoms they offer people to leave wink Do you know how many people from Far East left our people? And how much from the country? And then we wonder why the brains of people are not developing our business investment, and why are people leaving? If you don’t like the country, you don’t win, you need to fight for people to create jobs to pay high salaries to establish infrastructure to attract investments to be freer both in terms of financial resources for development so have better legislation for the development of this region
  26. akunin
    akunin 17 May 2018 15: 45
    0
    Japan is vulnerable - it’s not where to run and it’s dependent - there’s no place to live. Early or posture troubles will begin for the Kuril and Sakhalin. for some reason, not everyone understands that Japan has a powerful ally in the person of the United States, which can fit in for them. The big question is whether China will fit in for us?
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 16: 31
      +1
      Funny lol Why start some kind of war if it is much more profitable to trade with great profit for both parties wink
      1. akunin
        akunin 17 May 2018 19: 10
        0
        we have everything, and they have rice and sticks (horseradish of resources and territory), and they want to live beautifully - there will be troubles.
        1. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 18 May 2018 00: 43
          +1
          We have everything, but why, for all the resources, is the Far East impoverished and a small Japan that has nothing rich? And why is Moscow, which has no resources so bold?
          1. Cook
            Cook 18 May 2018 11: 52
            0
            Because in Moscow and the region, the largest metropolitan area, 20 million citizens of the Russian Federation live and work, and this is one seventh of the total population. The income part of the capital’s budget, so you know, consists of 77% of the income tax of its residents. And this is also the main donor of the federal budget (more than 26% of GDP), which by the way last year, doubled the amount of its contributions there. What the regions transfer to the federal budget has nothing to do with the budget of Moscow. And according to the law, mining enterprises pay taxes where mining is carried out.
            1. akunin
              akunin 18 May 2018 14: 25
              0
              moving the capital to Zadrischensk with the relocation of ministries, departments, and banks. Zadrischensk will become the largest agglomeration in Russia and will blow 26% of GDP and maybe more. Dear, not cunning.
          2. akunin
            akunin 18 May 2018 14: 22
            0
            Dear, the question is not for me. Someone who knows the answer now in the Bochar stream, please contact him.
  27. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 17 May 2018 15: 46
    +1
    But let's imagine for a moment that they were able to covertly develop nuclear weapons.

    1. Nuclear weapons can’t be modestly cunning.
    2. The Japanese now have a treaty and US nuclear weapons. If they replace the USA and do their nuclear weapons, then their situation will not get better.
    3. A state in which 100 million live on 300 thousand square kilometers should even avoid the idea of ​​a nuclear war, especially from Russia.
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 17 May 2018 18: 39
      +1
      Japan, by the way, has many abandoned islands where no one lives
      1. yehat
        yehat 18 May 2018 00: 45
        +1
        in fairness, living there is little joy.
        most who live in remote areas receive substantial assistance from the state
        another thing is that even those places where you can live are populated, but more troublesome - for example, the north of Hokkaido,
  28. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 17 May 2018 15: 50
    +1
    Of course, the grain of truth in the author’s words (lines) is ......... but there is more pessimism, everything is not so bad, and if there are problems with the surface fleet, then we compensate almost everything from the air .....
  29. yehat
    yehat 17 May 2018 16: 02
    +6
    Quote: Simon
    So that I support the author’s article. No need to rush around

    You contradict yourself. Rushing around is something that those who need to put pressure on our country are trying to force. This is especially true for emergency amplifications and swelling of billions. To sharply strengthen the fleet in the Far East - this is throwing. Finally, how can you support an article, even if appeals to the story are completely incorrect in the article, or your own?
    Instead of building a fleet, you need to do what you distract from — improving the economy, destroying corrupted territories of advanced theft, open to Far East and tax evasion zones.
    Instead of demonstrative trips to the Kuril Islands and holding summits, it is necessary to deal with the simplification of working conditions and the creation of industries such as fishing and processing fish.
    To seriously improve the region’s infrastructure so that people don’t flee to Moscow and St. Petersburg from there and not at the expense of federal programs with trillions and billions allocated to an unknown destination, but at the expense of the local tax base, which is not taken to the center. So that every local resident understands that a bridge or school was built on his taxes.
    Instead of planning the construction of the fleet, which we still cannot build, we need to take care of the abyss of really important things, but not stupid programs for allocating land for the Far East (and the stupid repetition of the mistakes made by Stolypin’s reforms).
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 16: 28
      +1
      Here are the golden words hi
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 17 May 2018 18: 41
      +2
      Yes, the budget of the Sakhalin Oblast before the elections was cut by a tidy sum in favor of the federal budget
      1. yehat
        yehat 17 May 2018 19: 00
        +1
        cut all budgets. Over the past 10 years, Krasnoyarsk Territory has begun to give a 14% share of the revenue to the center, despite the fact that part of the costs has been transferred to the regional budget.
        Similarly throughout Siberia, except for oil cities. Their lobbyists are fatter.
        1. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 18 May 2018 00: 37
          +1
          Just lovely wink And then we wonder what people are fleeing from Siberia and the Far East to Rostov Moscow Novgorod Kaliningrad
      2. RaptorF22
        RaptorF22 18 May 2018 00: 33
        0
        That's it wink And then we wonder why people leave with the Far East request
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 19 May 2018 21: 07
      0
      Yes, yes, so that as in the 90s, the budget was cut at the local level. First, try to build a normal civil society. Society of the 21st, not the 19th century.
  30. starshina78
    starshina78 17 May 2018 16: 31
    +1
    Sorry for the native Pacific Fleet! The years of my service - 1975 - 1978 were marked by the arrival of new ships at the TF, both combat and auxiliary. And now I am ashamed that the state has abandoned TF. Some aircraft carriers were going to build! Why do they need us if there is nothing to cover them with! It is necessary to build TFR, BOD, cruisers, destroyers. Can't we do it ourselves? Order corps with engines in China under our armament. That’s how it goes faster. Shame and shame on the Government of Russia and the President of the Russian Federation.
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 17 May 2018 16: 50
      +1
      This is all true, of course, but the question is, do we have enough money for all this? After all, if our economy is underdeveloped, namely, everything is also oil and gas winked If you don’t have money, you won’t buy a gun or a ship or an aircraft carrier wink
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 17 May 2018 18: 44
        +2
        Quote: RaptorF22
        This is all true, of course, but the question is, do we have enough money for all this? After all, if our economy is underdeveloped, namely, everything is also oil and gas winked If you don’t have money, you won’t buy a gun or a ship or an aircraft carrier wink

        The most interesting thing is that the money turns out to be heaps !!! Only here they are spent as it is not effectively very effective managers.
        1. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 18 May 2018 00: 30
          +1
          Seriously? And I just hear everywhere there is no money but you hold on wink I remember how about 6 years ago, at the opening of another unnecessary monument in Moscow, 7 or 150 million rubles were swollen No. When with this money it was possible to build 3 budget houses for young specialists of doctors in the Far East fellow
  31. Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 May 2018 16: 50
    0
    Quote: Imobile
    And why did you get so agitated, didn’t you happen to be from a rotten Foreign Ministry? Which even turn faithful allies into enemies? And in whom the enemy of our enemies is also our enemy? The US is strong in that they have NATO, be they stupid, why did they need NATO? Why do they just do NATO if they are the navel of the earth? They just think ahead.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry does not determine the state structure of Russia.
    The federal structure of Russia is determined by the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
    The following subjects can make a proposal to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation (Article 134 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation): 1) President of the Russian Federation; 2) the Federation Council or its group of at least 1/5 of its members; 3) the State Duma or its group of at least 1/5 of its deputies; 4) the Government of the Russian Federation; 5) the legislative (representative) bodies of the constituent entities of the Federation.
    The Constitution of the Russian Federation can be revised (in fact, it is the adoption of a new text of the Constitution of the Russian Federation) only by popular vote on the draft Constitution, which must be preliminarily approved by 2/3 of the number of members of the special Constitutional Assembly organized in connection with the adoption of the new text of the Constitution.
    And, for your information, the United States is a federal state.
  32. Wolka
    Wolka 17 May 2018 18: 47
    0
    It doesn’t warm in any way, but it gives away strongly with the whole pitch ...
  33. K-50
    K-50 17 May 2018 18: 48
    +1
    Some alarmist delirium !!! belay
    Do not eat at night so that nightmares do not nightmare you. yes
  34. Tomato
    Tomato 17 May 2018 22: 04
    +1
    A typical example is when the author lacks strategic thinking. No one will attack Russia in the Far East. You can sleep peacefully. No one will allow the reinforcement of the second side. West, Japan, USA - China. China, South Korea - Japan. And the United States in this situation will have to lose one of its allies - Japan or South Korea. In turn, it’s not Japan, not Kazakhstan that is not interested in losing the United States, each has its own historical memory.
    They know how to count costs.
    Far East of Russia is threatened only by the demographic bomb of China. A slow, creeping expansion that spans decades. But the Chinese know how to wait.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 18 May 2018 05: 02
      +1
      In the years 1940-41, they also everywhere said that Germany would not attack the USSR. 27 million people who died in that war are not forgotten? And the military in the Far East is gone.
      1. Tomato
        Tomato 18 May 2018 08: 32
        +1
        Seriously??? And they sang:
        If tomorrow is war
        if the hike is tomorrow...
        Dear friend, do not confuse analytics and propaganda for the herd. Read what Stalin said to graduates of the military academy.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 18 May 2018 08: 54
          +2
          Well, according to your judgment, I, who live (like another 5 million people) in the Far East herd, who can be pulled in (propaganda), whatever. That’s what they’re doing to us. We’re not graduates of academies, but China also doesn’t have to wait long will blow
          1. Tomato
            Tomato 18 May 2018 14: 30
            0
            Did you live in the late 40s, read and believed the newspaper Pravda?
            1. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 18 May 2018 18: 15
              0
              I lived in the 70-80s, read and believed the newspaper "Pravda"
  35. Tektor
    Tektor 17 May 2018 22: 33
    +1
    And here the Japanese have excellent positions: a fleet of a hundred pennants, well-balanced and technically perfect. Powerful enough air forces, which are now being re-equipped with the latest American F-35s. The proximity of our own military bases against our eternal logistical chaos.
    It is for this reason that we in the Far East need the Su-57, A-100 and MiG-31 with the Dagger, including, in addition to the existing ones. Well, just in case, 22160 and Caliber-K. KVM.
  36. Borders
    Borders 17 May 2018 23: 54
    +1
    and they also made Panasonic and Sharp)))
  37. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 18 May 2018 04: 12
    +1
    Kuzovkov, what did you smoke when you wrote this article? If Japan tries to use nuclear weapons, then in an hour it will not be from the word at all! laughing tongue wassat
    1. vasilkovichi
      vasilkovichi 18 May 2018 08: 54
      0
      It’s interesting, the author, just dyp @ 4ok, or a provocateur? And what if the nuclear weapons will have nuclear weapons? How much will it be compared to the Russian Federation? But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that in the event of aggression the Japanese anti-Russian Federation, Japan will cease to exist, having failed and not only had time to chop off Russian territories, but at least even scratch the few Russian Pacific Fleet, which would not even have to intervene in the war game, well, unless, purely, stretch oneself.
  38. sarissa
    sarissa 18 May 2018 08: 17
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    If the correct things are written in the murzilka, will you call this bullshit?

    probably not, but Murzilka will give you an article at the level of a paper boat, not a detailed analysis

    Have mercy, dear ones, the alarm is simple. And seven spans in the forehead is true with you, with you ...
  39. vasilkovichi
    vasilkovichi 18 May 2018 08: 52
    0
    It’s interesting, the author, just dyp @ 4ok, or a provocateur? And what if the nuclear weapons will have nuclear weapons? How much will it be compared to the Russian Federation? But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that in the event of aggression the Japanese anti-Russian Federation, Japan will cease to exist, having failed and not only had time to chop off Russian territories, but at least even scratch the few Russian Pacific Fleet, which would not even have to intervene in the war game, well, unless, purely, stretch oneself.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 18 May 2018 14: 37
      0
      Are you so sure that Moscow will do that? And not just give everything up.
  40. sarissa
    sarissa 18 May 2018 09: 07
    0
    Quote: sarissa
    LORD! It’s worthless to forget Port Arthur and Tsushima a bit. They DO NOT forget. And the category: “... I’ll pile it all on you now ...” - leave it for jokes. Samson was also strong. elite ...
  41. NordUral
    NordUral 18 May 2018 14: 36
    +1
    The whole company in the Kremlin and next to it is very, very doubtful. With them, if things go on like this, your script will seem very optimistic.
    I have long been tormented by one little thought, vile and terrible at the same time. But are the Kremlin ones not fooling us with their fierce patriotism and tireless worries about the prosperity of a social state? I, for example, about the existence of a state in our country, I doubt very much. All signs are present indicating that we have the organized crime group in power. With all the ensuing consequences for all of us.
  42. Geneshvi
    Geneshvi 18 May 2018 16: 18
    0
    Well, I did not go to Vladivostok as a military spy, just my wife and I spent our holidays there. And through the eyes of ordinary tourists they saw everything: warships, and submarines, and a great variety of all kinds of “skewers” ​​on the hills, and of old defensive forts. If more than a hundred years ago, the Russian government understood the importance of being in the Pacific, do they really not understand it now? The authoritarian alarmist mood can be defeated only by a real demonstration of the Pacific Fleet’s forces, but who can watch them from the survivors? Only one Pacific Fleet of Russia can destroy almost the entire population of the Earth, but do you need it? What about me? What about them?
    we
  43. Satum
    Satum 19 May 2018 16: 46
    0
    And off the coast of Japan may be Status 6. As well as off the coast of China and South Korea
  44. Vladimir K.
    Vladimir K. 20 May 2018 03: 09
    +1
    "Japan will acquire nuclear weapons ......" - well, let it be. For Americans, it appeared even earlier than for the USSR, but they did not dare to enter into a direct conflict with us. There are certain unspoken "red lines" crossing which the enemy of a nuclear-weapon state can be sure that the defending side will apply. An attack on sovereign territory is just one of those “red lines”. The author correctly noted that our efforts to rearm the armed forces in the Far East were not sufficient, but still it was not worth sliding into insanity with Japan about to attack Russia. If Russia is weakened so much that it will be torn by anyone who is not lazy, as during the civil war and intervention, then the Japs, of course, will not stand aside and their appetites will obviously not be limited to either the Kuril Islands or Sakhalin, but if it is firm in Russia the leadership and the enemies will have no doubt that the answer will arrive without a doubt, no one, including the Americans themselves will not twitch. The biggest enemy of Russia is not the Anglo-Saxons or the Japanese or some other Fritz, but the internal enemy, gradually, like a cadaverous worm, undermining the strength of our country.
  45. kakvastam
    kakvastam 20 May 2018 13: 00
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    The reduction in the military budget generally looks strange in the current situation, especially when the enemy is building up his own.

    But, since the majority voted precisely for this, we will calmly wait for the development of events.
  46. Igor Titov
    Igor Titov 20 May 2018 13: 06
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    "And we can only prevent this from happening at the risk of another Tsushima, which we cannot go to: in the event of a major military defeat, we will definitely lose both the entire Kuril ridge and half of Sakhalin in addition ..."
    Curtain.))) Hello from Sakhalin! I live in a former military town in the south of the island.)
  47. shirkoled
    shirkoled 20 May 2018 20: 02
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    Actually, in vain the brightest flickers with yellow !!!
    I would have sent them on foot to Australia, let them go there !!!
    And then the yellow Kuril Islands wanted, and we all love to be kind!
    No wonder the people say: do not do good - you will not get evil !!!
  48. Check
    Check 21 May 2018 12: 57
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    And what is the problem of sinking ships with anti-ship air-launched missiles ???
  49. Nitrogamer
    Nitrogamer 8 June 2018 18: 32
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    If Japan (or the United States, which is one and the same) land on the Kuril Islands or Sakhalin, then there will be no nuclear strike against them. The Russian government will express deep concern, no more.
    It’s not customary to shoot at your own.
    1. Shishiga
      Shishiga 17 June 2018 13: 32
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      if you are not aware of the groupings on Sakhalin and Iturup, then it is better to remain modestly silent.
  50. Shishiga
    Shishiga 17 June 2018 13: 30
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    Serg65,
    Permafrost is good - while the permafrost, as soon as it thawes, it is also a swamp.