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Where Russian science is heading

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The decree “On the structure of federal executive bodies” signed by the President of Russia introduces significant changes in the management scheme of Russian science.


According to this decree, the Federal Agency for Scientific Organizations (FANO) is abolished, and its functions in regulatory and public services in the scientific field, as well as property management functions are transferred to the newly created Ministry of Science and Higher Education of the Russian Federation (this ministry is created under formerly the Ministry of Education and Science for the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Science and Higher Education).



Note that between the FANO, established in October 2013 of the year, and the Russian Academy of Sciences (RAS), more than four years of the agency's existence were a real war.

FANO had the authority to approve a program for the development of subordinate scientific organizations, state assignments for fundamental and exploratory research work (R & D), to assess the effectiveness of scientific organizations, and also served as a state customer, including the conclusion of government contracts for scientific research, developmental works (R & D) and technological works to meet the needs of the Russian Federation.

In addition, FANO was the main recipient and manager of the federal budget funds for scientific purposes, and also had the right to remove and appoint managers to subordinate scientific organizations.

The Russian Academy of Sciences has repeatedly criticized the activities of FANO. Academics believed that FANO officials did not have the proper qualifications neither to approve scientific research topics, nor to coordinate the plans of scientific organizations, nor to develop and evaluate key performance indicators, by which the activities of scientific institutions are currently evaluated, or to appoint leaders of scientific organizations.

The special anger of the Russian scientific community was caused by the attempt of the FANO to introduce into planning an estimate of the duration of work in man-hours, as in normal project activities. Representatives of the Russian Academy of Sciences noted that when conducting research and development, it is impossible to determine the duration of work in this way, and also to establish that, for example, ten scientists must make such a discovery within twelve months.

In February 2018, the presidential administration of the Russian Federation introduced amendments to the federal law “On the Russian Academy of Sciences” to the State Duma, partially curtailing the powers of the FANO and expanding the RAS’s area of ​​responsibility. In particular, the resignations and appointments in the scientific field according to the amendments should be made by the authorized federal executive body (previously - FANO, now the Ministry of Science and Higher Education) in coordination with the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Also, the RAS will be charged with the obligation to forecast the main directions of the country's scientific, technological and socio-economic development, and provide the government with an annual report on the implementation of state policy in the field of scientific and scientific and technical activities.

At the same time, it should not be assumed that the abolition of the FANO means the victory of the point of view of the Russian academicians on the management of science. The powers of this federal agency are transferred to a more statusful executive body — the ministry. Probably, because in this way the Russian leadership seeks to improve the quality of scientific management.

At the same time, an interdepartmental dispute over who should be the master of Russian science is only the tip of the iceberg. The country's leadership has accumulated a lot of questions to scientists. In particular, in April 2018, at a meeting with rectors of higher educational institutions, Vladimir Putin very categorically demanded that scientists create a scientific reserve for the future, stating that the country could live for only ten to fifteen years on the current scientific and technical reserve (NTL).

High requirements for scientific activities were expressed by the president in the message to the Federal Assembly and in the May decree "On the national goals and strategic objectives of the development of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2024 of the year."

Note that the Strategy for the Scientific and Technological Development of Russia also specifies the problem areas of Russian science. For example, in the Russian Federation, the share of innovative products in the total output is just 8-9 percent, investment in intangible assets in Russia is 3-10 times lower than in the leading countries of the world. There is virtually no transfer of knowledge and technology between the defense and civilian sectors of the economy, which hinders the development and use of dual-use technologies.

Moreover, the effectiveness of Russian research organizations is significantly lower than in the leading countries (United States of America, Japan, Republic of Korea, People's Republic of China), according to the Strategy of Scientific and Technical Development of the Russian Federation. Despite the fact that in terms of expenditure on research and development and the number of researchers, the Russian Federation is in the second group of leading countries (countries of the European Union, Australia, the Republic of Singapore, the Republic of Chile), by performance (the volume of publications in high-ranking journals, the number of international patents on the results of research and development, the volume of revenues from the export of technology and high-tech products) Russia falls only in the third group of countries (a number of countries in Eastern Europe and Latin th America).

Note that even at the level of problem statement in the Strategy of the RF NTR, rather vague criteria are used to determine the effectiveness of science. For example, it refers to a low level of investment in intangible assets, although it would be more accurate to try to determine how effective such investments are.

Evaluation of performance in terms of the volume (number) of publications in high-rating journals or in the number of issued international patents can only be indirect and shows little. Let us ask ourselves a question: when the USSR tested the atomic bomb in 1949, which was undoubtedly a great achievement of Soviet science, how many publications in foreign journals appeared in this connection and were there any international patents registered for this product and its components?

At the same time, at present, such a, at least, debatable model of target indicators has been introduced in Russian science.

For example, according to the Development Program of the Federal State Institution “Federal Research Center Institute of Applied Mathematics named after M.V. Keldysh of the Russian Academy of Sciences on 2016-2020's, the following targets are used:

  • The number of employees performing research and development for the 2020 year - 645 people.
  • The ratio of the average monthly salary of researchers to the average monthly salary in the corresponding region (Moscow and Moscow region) is 200%.
  • The share of funds received from extrabudgetary sources for 2020 year - 61,8%.
  • The proportion of researchers under the age of 39 in the total number of researchers in the 2020 year is 35,7%.
  • The proportion of researchers engaged in teaching activities in the total number of researchers for 2020 year is 15,1%.
  • The number of publications indexed in the Web of Science and Scopus international information-analytical system for scientific quoting per 100 researchers for 2020 year - 51 pcs.
  • The number of publications cited by employees of an organization indexed in the Web of Science or Scopus international information-analytical system of scientific citation in the calculation of 100 publications per employee for 2020 year - 146 pcs.
  • The number of publications cited by employees who are indexed in the Russian information-analytical system of scientific citation RISC in the calculation of 100 publications per employee for 2020 year - 198 pcs.


Note that, according to the Russian State Standards, which describe the various stages of the product life cycle, including research and development, much clearer performance criteria are used. For example, a research work is considered complete (in one of many cases, of course) if an act or a conclusion on the implementation of research results was drawn up, that is, the scientific data obtained were used to open development works or to initiate other scientific works, or in forecast, analytical, or planning documents of national importance.

It should also be noted that in recent years, targeted Russian efforts have been made in the Russian high-tech industry, defense industry and government bodies in this area for the so-called technology transfer - transferring Western practices of scientific management, defense procurement, product lifecycle management to Russian reality. The source of this transfer are methodological manuals of NASA, the US Department of Defense (DoD, The Department of Defense), Boeing, Airbus, etc.

While the above-mentioned Western practices are transparent, very well developed and are used both in government organizations and in private companies in the USA, the EU and Japan, in Russia their implementation, at least at the moment, is very fragmentary and imperfect. At the same time, the harmonious Soviet culture of the system for developing and putting into production (SRPP) of products by Russian science and industry was largely lost, although the Soviet SRPP at one time (in 1990-s) served as a source for significant correction of Western practices adopted by Russia today.

It seems that the main challenge and problem for Russian science is not so much the material or managerial part of the issue, as the shortage of managerial personnel with systemic strategic thinking and competences in organizing the strategic management of various activities. Vladimir Putin undoubtedly possesses such qualities, and for this very reason for almost two decades he has turned into the only leader of Russia. However, in less responsible positions, there are probably very few managers with similar competencies.
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  1. tasha
    tasha 18 May 2018 05: 09
    +7
    how many deficits of leading personnel have systemic strategic thinking and competencies in organizing strategic management of various types of activities.


    Yeah .. All sorts of managers are full, there is no one to work! wink

    I draw the attention of readers to the competition "Leaders of Russia". They promise to make it annual. This is a good opportunity to evaluate your managerial qualities, get recommendations for further development and a way to express yourself ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 May 2018 05: 21
      +23
      Quote: tasha
      get recommendations for further development and a way to make yourself known ...

      it’s easier just to yell “hooray” and “glory” to the GDP! —the career will go uphill faster. yes
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 18 May 2018 06: 11
        +15
        It seemed that everything was normal with the cadres in the USSR, and as they began to develop "democratic values" after Malta, they still did not catch up with the USSR.
        It is not clear the emergence of various intermediary organizations at different levels. Rather, of course, ---- for income.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 18 May 2018 08: 03
          +10
          All of these testers, helpers and managers will finish off the remnants of REAL SCIENCE, which generally is? or is it necessary to look for it with a magnifying glass?
          The third decade they are trying to kill what was done by our ancestors !!! Thanks to them for laying such a reliable foundation, but there wouldn’t be anything left.
          We will wait, and those who are the "ruling and other elite" will try and goodbye to a developed technological society, hello Papuan creep on palm trees ... in our case, on oaks!
          1. vadsonen
            vadsonen 18 May 2018 15: 18
            +9
            Something like that.
          2. Plate
            Plate 19 May 2018 14: 06
            0
            I agree with the fact that in general we are not doing well with science, that we need powerful investments and powerful breakthroughs, which are few today.
            Or you need to look for it with a magnifying glass?

            But such an assessment does not suit me very much. The results of the activities of our REAL Science have, in my opinion, 1 March, in a message to the Federal Assembly, in the second part. Believe me, all the novelties shown would have been impossible without full-scale research and development based on knowledge in the field of basic science. So it is not necessary to look for REAL science with a magnifying glass, it is enough to take a close look at it. Although, of course, I would like to even look closely was not necessary.
          3. yehat
            yehat 19 May 2018 20: 28
            +4
            remnants of THIS SCIENCE

            real science should have degrees of freedom - directions and methods of research,
            application options for operating time, to some extent costs, etc.
            when they put it on full accounting and beat it up with the rules, it will no longer be a science, but a scientific scribble that mimics research.
            just imagine, a scientist will be given a mandatory 8-hour working day, always at one workplace, they will do a salary for the hours worked, what will he invent?
            Justifying the cost of an experiment is often just a nightmare.
            Maximum - a new form of paper clip.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 20 May 2018 19: 12
              +2
              Real science is all together and basic research and applied development, it does not matter. everything and everything should develop!
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 19 May 2018 10: 13
      +4
      We have a government, we have its chairman. I can not understand what the hell 10 deputies? belay Here either the “cardboard” ministers or the deputies fulfill the function of the zits, anyway the chairman remained intact. winked Well, Mutko understands why. If the college gets bored, he may be asked to say something in English. There will be laughter for three days. lol
      1. turbris
        turbris 19 May 2018 13: 50
        0
        You’ll be the chairman of the government, then you’ll understand why you need 10 deputies, and while you are not in the government you don’t have to think for the chairman. But Mutko has already learned and in English I think he speaks better than you, you are behind with your comments.
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 19 May 2018 13: 59
          +4
          So learn the opening words with commas, then Mutko, look, hold out. lol
          1. turbris
            turbris 19 May 2018 20: 20
            0
            Very cool - a specialist in commas, but think for the chairman of the government!
    3. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 19 May 2018 20: 32
      +2
      And what is more important than being the son of Patrushev or Rogozin?
  2. Arkady Gaidar
    Arkady Gaidar 18 May 2018 06: 26
    +7
    Officials with little understanding of science pushed the academy and academics away from the money trough. So it spun. And now they decided to establish a new order. And the faces will be the same. Let's look at the result)))
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 May 2018 07: 09
      +16
      Quote: Arkady Gaidar
      Arkady Gaidar (Alexey) Today, 06:26
      Officials with little understanding in science

      why not muddy, put at the head of the RAS? he is smart, spits aglitski ... laughing
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 18 May 2018 11: 15
        +3
        he is smart, spits aglitski ...
        Apparently, the professionalism of this official is at the level of knowledge of the English language. But in demand, but it is not clear why.
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 19 May 2018 14: 03
        +2
        Impossible in science is impossible, he sat on meldonium. laughing
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 18 May 2018 09: 10
      +9
      Quote: Arkady Gaidar
      And the faces will be the same. Let's look at the result)))

      any social phenomenon has objective and subjective factors - officials are a subjective factor. The objective factor of development is the demand for science. For centuries, scientists have been needed for the development of industry. There is none. Therefore, there are no objective prerequisites for resuscitation of science.
    3. the villain
      the villain 19 May 2018 15: 29
      +1
      Quote: Arkady Gaidar
      And now they decided to establish a new order. And the faces will be the same. Let's look at the result)))

      From the rearrangement of the terms the sum will not change, I think so. hi
  3. alex-cn
    alex-cn 18 May 2018 08: 30
    +3
    And nowhere is rolling ... Nowhere already ... zero ...
  4. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 18 May 2018 09: 26
    +3
    Is the Chechen bandit still commanding the Academy? Or has he already picked up a steadfast deputy so as not to shine so?
  5. mihey
    mihey 18 May 2018 09: 51
    +9
    It is hard to believe that something will change for the better. The skepticism of our brethren in this regard is very large. As an example, I will cite the situation with our research institute. A year ago we were “let down” by a new director (young, promising and with a scientific degree), he accordingly changed the deputies and the scientific secretary ... Now the collective calls the administration “beautiful” by the eyes, as in that joke about the monkey that wanted, but could not be torn between beautiful and smart.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 19 May 2018 07: 58
      +1
      Quote: mihey
      Now the collective calls the administration “beautiful” by the eyes, as in that joke about a monkey who wanted, but could not tear between the beautiful and the smart.

      Tell me - what is beauty?
      and why are people deified?
      vessel in which is it a void?
      or fire flickering in a vessel?
      laughing wink wassat
      1. the villain
        the villain 19 May 2018 15: 37
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Tell me - what is beauty?

        Too beautiful and sublime lines to be applied to "beautiful". Here the lines from the old - old song of V. Asmolov are more suitable:
        "With intelligence, it’s more difficult to hide,
        After all, in a beautiful attic, as usual - is empty. "
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 19 May 2018 22: 23
          0
          Quote: Villain
          After all, in a beautiful attic, as usual - is empty. "

          Well, why? after all, we are talking about a beautiful candidate of sciences and his secretary. The deputy here could have been purely photogenic by chance. wink
          I saw young, strong, smart and beautiful people with advanced degrees .. Unfortunately, sometimes old and ugly bureaucrats have higher degrees and administrative capabilities to spread ideas
  6. Altona
    Altona 18 May 2018 10: 07
    +8
    Pff, some articles about science are being written, some other scientists are poking around. I thought science was replaced long ago by startups and peppy venture capital managers like Elon Mask. And we still have mastodons of fundamental science. Chubais and Gref apparently do not finish.
  7. Altona
    Altona 18 May 2018 10: 10
    +7
    Quote: aybolyt678
    For centuries, scientists have been needed for the development of industry. There is none. Therefore, there are no objective prerequisites for resuscitation of science.

    ---------------------------
    The entire education system was needed by industry. Starting from the 8-year school, from where they later went to technical schools and vocational schools, or in grades 9-10. And then to universities. At each plant there was a research institute, which provided the plant with new developments. And now you see for yourself. And even perestroika was required to improve the activities of NGOs and the creation of small creative teams in industry. But perestroika stupidly turned in the "cut the loot."
    1. Dedall
      Dedall 18 May 2018 20: 19
      +3
      Altona (Eugene), someone (from the setting sun) noticed a sharp increase in production from the "innovations" of Perestroika. It was this someone who gave the command to abruptly stop this business. If not for this, by the end of the 2000s we would have overtaken present-day China. Do you think so simple racketeers appeared? No, they were carefully raised and now we have what they have.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 19 May 2018 22: 14
        0
        Quote: Dedall
        someone (from the setting sun) noticed a sharp increase in production from the "innovations" of Perestroika.

        I think this is your personal opinion .. We still had production and tried to produce something, unfortunately we opened to a world market that is very diverse and in which roles and niches are divided, the world market is designed not for millions but for billions of consumers, because volumes of production costs are unattainably low. Our state has withdrawn from protecting the domestic market and, moreover, has entered the WTO, in the end, we have what we have. Brothers have nothing to do with it. Well, maybe a little bit
  8. seacap
    seacap 18 May 2018 10: 35
    +4
    Somehow everything is sad, and the prospects are gloomy for our Slavic civilization.
  9. Zolotse
    Zolotse 18 May 2018 10: 45
    +8
    Comrades, have you seen the salary of an assistant professor for a long time? Our associate professors in St. Petersburg can only dream of a janitor's salary. Our valiant liberal government Higher School "knocks" shock methods. Soon, children will learn and get higher. And there’s nothing to talk about science. But Mr. M-in even said to teachers who do not like, please come to the business.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 19 May 2018 14: 09
      0
      But Siluanov was lucky. Two posts and two salaries at once. But since we do not have two, then one paid position should be part-time. So it turns out that if the salary is deputy. traitor to the government above, then the Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation will work part-time part-time after the main work, and in the morning to control himself from above. And who needs them, these finances in the Russian Federation? request
      1. Dedall
        Dedall 20 May 2018 17: 13
        +1
        sibiralt (Oleg), I would like to add that let Mr. Siluanov get sick more often, but longer - cancer, asthma, colitis and so on. Then he will also receive a sheet of disability from two places.
  10. turbris
    turbris 18 May 2018 11: 20
    +1
    All work to increase the effectiveness of science takes place in constant consultation with the scientific community, so talking about the death of science, as it is not serious. Higher educational institutions must be involved in scientific research, and changes in the structure of the government also speak about this. The fact that the president, in his decree, paid special attention to science, speaks of understanding of its role in the high-tech development of the economy and the comments of Andrei Yuryevich indicate his strong irritation about the line chosen by the president correctly.
  11. nikvic46
    nikvic46 18 May 2018 11: 48
    +1
    The RAS has diverse tasks (should be). I have no doubt that the main tasks assigned to the ministers
    about the development of Russia will be fulfilled. Stylishly clean cities will stand. There will be robots that young people dream of, and
    which part of the youth will be taken away. Now, before the 2018 World Cup in football, the state allocates huge amounts of money to
    put in order the cities where the games will be held. Tomorrow there will be guests, we will clean up. Clean where they do not litter, and
    repair is done in time. Why I am not writing about the development of Science. Because everything is interconnected in the state. Being determines consciousness. Scientific staff are waiting for orders. They are ready to fulfill any complex order. And they are waiting for these orders.
  12. Mihail55
    Mihail55 18 May 2018 11: 57
    +2
    Quote: Altona
    The entire education system was needed by industry. Starting from the 8-year school, from where they later went to technical schools and vocational schools, or in grades 9-10. And then to universities. At each plant there was a research institute, which provided the plant with new developments. And now you see for yourself.

    And why, then, are conversations about investing in enterprises ??? WHERE? Together with the CPSU, the trade unions from the factories swept away these "unnecessary bespectacles" with a filthy broom! Now any manager of a high rank for all downstream - SCIENCE!
  13. naidas
    naidas 18 May 2018 12: 13
    +1
    And why do we need scientific developments, we have optimization. Therefore, working in the public sector, I see that we not only need Russian but also imported technologies, the technologies are there, and the workers can work with their own hands to optimize, tea is not a bar.
  14. gridasov
    gridasov 18 May 2018 12: 19
    +6
    Behind each comment is a wise man and apparently many of the science. However, after reading all the comments and if you add the entire set of articles on this topic, it is very easy to identify that no one sees the real directions of those discoveries or inventions that will be the foundation for a scientific and technological leap. All talk comes to nowhere. But it does not happen otherwise that the entire scientific branch does not develop on the achievements and discoveries of individuals. With all this, one still needs to talk about whether, firstly, scientists are prepared for the fact that fundamental discoveries will be immediately understood and accepted by them. One can shout in chorus that in mathematics new properties of numbers have been discovered - and no one will believe in this. And this is the basis of a new expanded worldview and analysis of high-potential and highly dynamic complex processes. You think they’ll come and put everything on a plate. There won’t be this! Invented new devices on new process algorithms that underlie any rotation process. These are new turbines and propulsion systems. These are new principles of closed energy conversion processes. Think again on a plate lay out. No. A system of harmonious perception by officials from science and scientist soldiers is needed, who create science in spite of all obstacles. Therefore, the movement should be mutual. As long as there is no such union, scientists will not prioritize work and the search for truth, but the mercantile interests of life support through what they can do by the nature of their essence. After all, a scientist is a special kind of mindset and worldview.
    1. mihey
      mihey 18 May 2018 14: 14
      +1
      In something you are right. Unfortunately, many really interesting developments are put, which is called "in the table." It is not a fact that if all this is done “in hardware”, then it will work as it was intended. To prove that a prototype must be done is a task practically impossible in the current realities, and science officials who should deal with these issues are happy with everything. Let’s see, maybe after the recent speeches of the GDP, an order will come for pulling some ideas out of the table. Well, or some zealous leader wants to rise higher in the career ladder due to the ideas of his subordinates.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 18 May 2018 15: 44
        +1
        Firstly, to systematize all these undercover and unrealized developments, their analysis is needed. This in itself is already the work of special people at the forefront of knowledge of the problems of fundamental problems and solutions. Therefore, according to the theory, geniuses can perform such an analysis. Therefore, the use of these developments is a process associated with what we are talking about. For example, I know the facts that in Russia there are information reserves of such scientists as Schauberger. But this man is the primary source in new approaches to solving very many practical problems that the time has come for implementation. However, the generation gap and the continuity of knowledge removes us from understanding all that he was talking about. Moreover, one or more inventions will not change the situation. Fundamental transformations in the analysis and construction of theories and practices are also needed. This is math. Therefore, everything is inextricable. A breakthrough can only be in the complex of using the new foundations of the theory of both mathematics and its foundation of number theory, and in constructing practical methods for realizing what can be analyzed using new techniques.
        And how obvious to me it is that there should be a willingness of people to accept what may seem complicated and incomprehensible at first. Brilliant discoveries await the turn of the century. What we are talking about is hidden from people much more. But this was not a prerequisite. Everything happens when the need comes for it.
  15. Altona
    Altona 18 May 2018 12: 28
    +1
    Quote: Michael55
    And why, then, are conversations about investing in enterprises ??? WHERE?

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    At existing enterprises, a large depreciation of fixed assets. At least replace the machines and upgrade the infrastructure. Part of the work of the research institute was undertaken by the enterprises themselves. This is the study of foreign analogues, the construction of 3D models in programs such as Solidworks (Catia) and calculations in programs such as Ansys. For engines, the study of the isothermal cycle and other calculations are apparently undertaken by the corresponding engineering centers and laboratories of enterprises. But these are applied cases and tuning of the existing one. But the creation of something new, on different principles, this should be done by applied engineering centers (CTSTM as before), but they should already be connected with the foundations and scientific applicants close to them. In Tomsk and Novosibirsk, specially trained people probably still remained, but all this will die with such an aggressive bourgeois government policy.
    1. Dedall
      Dedall 20 May 2018 17: 28
      +1
      Altona (Eugene), at the end of the 80s, we have already passed the stage of creating NTTM. Then it was a way to cash non-cash money from the accounts of enterprises. As a result, Abramovich formed. Something, of course, was being done, but it was the level of improvement of the bicycle, in comparison with the spacecraft, which fundamental science should move. But there is a completely different level of funding and training (I almost wrote "personnel") of personnel. As for the first, Medvedev has already told everyone (“there is no money”), and as for the second, one can say Mironov’s words in the film “Diamond Hand” (“chief, everything is lost”).
  16. high
    high 18 May 2018 12: 32
    +1
    Recently celebrated on May 9, watch a video about an outstanding scientist, academician, who showed miracles of courage in the Second World War, who was three times presented to the title of Hero ....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQIlfJkam_4&f
    eature = youtu.be
  17. iouris
    iouris 18 May 2018 12: 53
    +3
    The number of scientists and organizations was recognized as excessive by Gorbi's partners. After 1986, measures were taken. And this despite the fact that only thanks to Soviet science, the USSR was a great power.
  18. Curious
    Curious 18 May 2018 14: 18
    +2
    "... to the Ministry of Science and Higher Education of the Russian Federation (this ministry is being created as part of the division of the former Ministry of Education and Science into the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Science and Higher Education ..."
    Grandfather Krylov wrote: "And you, friends, do not sit down ..." Higher education and science are completely different spheres.
    Science is a field of human activity aimed at the development and systematization of objective knowledge of reality. The basis of this activity is the collection of facts, their constant updating and systematization, critical analysis and, on this basis, the synthesis of new knowledge or generalizations that not only describe the observed natural or social phenomena, but also allow us to build causal relationships with the ultimate goal of forecasting. Those hypotheses that are confirmed by facts or experiments are formulated in the form of laws of nature or society.
    Education is a single focused process of education and training, as well as a combination of acquired knowledge, skills, values, attitudes, experience and competencies.
    And if education is amenable to administration, then the management of science by certain officials is complete insanity.
    In the USA, which site hamsters love to call Matrasia, members of the Academy of Sciences work volunteer.
    An official cannot lead fundamental science. But, as he said, whose mausoleum is covered with plywood leaf figs on "service days" - we will go our own way. The main thing is the feeding of associates, and science is the tenth matter.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 18 May 2018 18: 33
      +1
      History confirms the fact that when scientists mated with leaders, an impulse of development was observed. The same Ukraine as a good example. The absence of logically minded analysts leads to disorientation not only of leaders, but also of the masses of people of the TTolpu leading slogans and distorted concepts of values. We will refuse Russian gas, but let it freeze and we will not be able to use the same gas, but from Europe. And most importantly, they do not understand and do not see the real situation. Naturally, the people make an outcome. A unique phenomenon in society in the 21st century.
  19. sevtrash
    sevtrash 18 May 2018 14: 57
    +1
    Science must be reformed according to the Western model, as if there is no other way. More effective, of course. However, the most important thing is needed - funds and personnel. And international cooperation - some topics are best addressed in cooperation. It’s nothing new.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 18 May 2018 17: 56
      +1
      Science must always be reformed in its own way, choosing the best and adapting it to your individual characteristics.
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 18 May 2018 18: 08
        0
        Quote: gridasov
        Science must always be reformed in its own way, choosing the best and adapting it to your individual characteristics.

        This has been and is still, the effectiveness is worse than the western version. What else?
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 18 May 2018 18: 26
          0
          Here the problem is not in the chosen technique, but in the selection of personnel implementing these techniques. Therefore, do not confuse the processes, although they are interconnected
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 18 May 2018 21: 07
            0
            Quote: gridasov
            Here the problem is not in the chosen technique, but in the selection of personnel implementing these techniques. Therefore, do not confuse the processes, although they are interconnected

            I didn’t talk about any processes, just about taking the Western option for financing / the existence of scientific research. And the staff - according to the results of training, citation, etc.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 18 May 2018 21: 15
              +1
              Do not be offended. This is a normal discussion. Scientists do not have to prove their vision. They must seek compelling evidence. And the more opinions, the more source for analysis.
              1. sevtrash
                sevtrash 19 May 2018 20: 41
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                Quote: gridasov
                Do not be offended. This is a normal discussion. Scientists do not have to prove their vision. They must seek compelling evidence. And the more opinions, the more source for analysis.

                Agree hi But convincing justifications of the western version have long been presented. Nobody argues, from the really thinking ones, that the Western system of education, scientific research, the conditions for their financing long ago overtook the Soviet / post-Soviet one.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 19 May 2018 22: 47
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                  Quote: sevtrash
                  that the western system of education, scientific research, the conditions for their financing long ago overtook the Soviet / post-Soviet one.

                  not really ... The main criterion for the value of a scientist in the West is citation. This stimulates not so much to seek ideas as to express oneself in the form of a kind of advertisement in scientific periodicals where often there is a short squeeze of conclusions, often without sufficient reason. This system is effective in that the specialists in demand are calculated by the manufacturers and the idea is introduced. The disadvantage of this system is that competition forces one to shout about oneself at the other and not reveal secrets.
                  The Soviet system of research teams often overtook the possibilities of implementation and financing. An example is genetic engineering, where the Soviet Union incurred the most expensive and most complicated engineering and biological costs and the results were assigned by the West.
        2. mihey
          mihey 18 May 2018 21: 05
          +1
          Is the Western option a “Bologna system” imposed on us? Yes, hang and bury 100 times. An encore is not enough for (those) who introduced it with us! After high school comes this freak in the research institute and ... then you can only obscenities. He does not know or understand anything in his specialty from the word ABSOLUTELY! Over the past 7 years, from a stream of 50 people (total 350), not a single one with brains in the desired profile. It was with brains that I would like to take 4 guys and 2 girls, but when I found out about the salary of the mms, they said that this was clearly not for them.
          And about efficiency, so science has nothing to do with it (I’m grossly further, so as not to go into details): the scientists developed, presented the blueprints, the layout, explained what it was and why. All on this the work of the theoretical scientist ends. The problem is the time taken from invention to implementation. So what does science and education have to do with it? He would buy up our brains west, if that was the case. So do not smack nonsense, she is so bad.
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 19 May 2018 18: 24
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            Quote: mihey
            Is the Western option a “Bologna system” imposed on us? Yes, hang and bury 100 times. An encore is not enough for (those) who introduced it with us! After high school comes this freak in the research institute and ... then you can only obscenities. He does not know or understand anything in his specialty from the word ABSOLUTELY! Over the past 7 years, from a stream of 50 people (total 350), not a single one with brains in the desired profile. It was with brains that I would like to take 4 guys and 2 girls, but when I found out about the salary of the mms, they said that this was clearly not for them.

            This is precisely what characterizes the Soviet / post-Soviet education system, when a student brings budget / contract money and quality control of education, in this regard, does not work. All or almost all graduates with an understandable level of knowledge complete the university.
            Read about the Bologna system, at least on Wikipedia.
            There are fundamental scientific studies, the implementation of the practical output of which can be greatly extended in time, sometimes not obvious, but it is they who lay the vector for the development of civilization. For these studies, funds and personnel, or funds for personnel, are needed. Then everything is clear, as it were.
  20. Mihail55
    Mihail55 18 May 2018 15: 08
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    Quote: Altona
    At existing enterprises, large depreciation of fixed assets

    Good afternoon, Eugene. The question is already leaving the channel of the designated topic, but I will only say - and whose machines to purchase? Our ... not ours? At any zakuhanny zavodok, at any junk, you can do good things, BUT where is the blockage of ideas - what should be done? So only a mass of scientific developments close to life for this life in our Motherland can give an impetus ...
  21. Whowhy
    Whowhy 18 May 2018 15: 11
    +3
    in April 2018, Vladimir Putin, at a meeting with the rectors of higher educational institutions, very categorically demanded that scientists create a scientific foundation for the future, indicating that the country could live peacefully for only ten to fifteen years at the current scientific and technical reserve (NTZ).

    All this would be very funny, if it were so sad. In the last university, where I worked until retirement, with a proud word in the name "State", the average age of teaching staff is 60-75 years, that is, it will cease to exist by itself in 10-15 years. Young people, if they work, it is only because the administration turns a blind eye to the absence from the workplace (conducted classes - and walk yourself boldly, that is, of course, people earn money). In the 90s, a huge number of scientific schools were destroyed.
    In fact, in science and higher education, the situation, IMHO, is close to a disaster, and to make them any claims - this is a complete misunderstanding of the current reality.
    "The circle of these revolutionaries is narrow and they are terribly far from the people" ....
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 18 May 2018 21: 09
      +2
      It is clear that the rectors are administrators to organize a process not directly related to science. Therefore, if they want the development of science, then the conversation should go with the organizers of scientific research. With people who understand the scientific basis of the process and research that require special attention. Of course, if we are talking about breakthrough directions. And very often it is seen that not many are able to see signs of fundamentality in one or another development.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 19 May 2018 17: 20
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      A university teacher is not required to be at work from now to now.
  22. Villiam wolf
    Villiam wolf 18 May 2018 15: 46
    +2
    Loud heading. Empty article!
  23. Altona
    Altona 18 May 2018 16: 30
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    Quote: Michael55
    Good afternoon, Eugene. The question is already leaving the channel of the designated topic, but I will only say - and whose machines to purchase? Our ... not ours? At any zakuhanny zavodok, at any junk, you can do good things, BUT where is the blockage of ideas - what should be done? So only a mass of scientific developments close to life for this life in our Motherland can give an impetus ...

    -------------------------------
    Yes, by the way, we are working on half of the old machines. We can not afford much new. From CNC only plasma. They only made a machine for pulling slots, drums for tumbling, simple rollers, too, all with their own hands.
  24. Dashing
    Dashing 18 May 2018 18: 02
    +2
    Why science is needed for the government, which has one task: to free the territory from the population.
  25. gridasov
    gridasov 19 May 2018 10: 55
    +1
    We again and again and always rest against the same problem. The question is how do we use math analysis. After all, the more participants in the discussion and the more different private opinions, the further we move away from the specifics in the results. We are lost in many private opinions as decisions. But we are scattered in the search not for a solution, but in the search for algorithms for these solutions. And not even the most intelligent and perspicacious mind of one or many people is capable of always making logical decisions that are correct in their orientation. We always work in a probabilistic search system. Therefore, again and again, we can talk about mathematics built on a function of a constant value of a number, and based on which we can create not invariant matrices and structures, but dynamic systems in their algorithmic transformation. Without these fundamental mathematical discoveries, humanity can endlessly commit chaotic processes within the framework of its local space. But we need to reach a new level of development and at the same time again not to fall into the chaos and confusion of the huge variations of new interactions that will reveal fundamental discoveries to us, but to clearly and accurately know the ways and goals of our priorities and tasks. Therefore, only mathematical knowledge will open to our consciousness the ability to understand the high potentiality and superhigh dynamism in the transformation of physical events. It will allow us to solve complex problems and not get lost in the huge variations and combinations of these events.
  26. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 May 2018 16: 15
    +1
    Vladimir Putin undoubtedly possesses such qualities, and that is why in almost two decades he has become the uncontested leader of Russia. However, in less responsible posts, probably there are very few leaders with similar competencies, unfortunately.

    The author does not see a contradiction? :)))
  27. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 19 May 2018 17: 57
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    Hello! hi
    I spent about three million rubles on the organization of a real observatory (yes, Spouse and I sold an apartment in the Vladimir Region and moved to Crimea) and now, years later, little by little and little by little, I see how potential alcoholics are (I’m talking about children) turn into future scientists.

    So, people, we are making our future.
  28. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 19 May 2018 18: 02
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    Quote: Gnefredov
    Hello! hi
    I spent about three million rubles on the organization of a real observatory (yes, Spouse and I sold an apartment in the Vladimir Region and moved to Crimea) and now, years later, little by little and little by little, I see how potential alcoholics are (I’m talking about children) turn into future scientists.

    So, people, we are making our future.

    Yes, by the way, if you say a few pleasant words, they will be heard.
    Thank you!
  29. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 19 May 2018 21: 43
    +1
    The special anger of the Russian scientific community was caused by the attempt of the FANO to introduce into planning an estimate of the duration of work in man-hours, as in normal project activities. Representatives of the Russian Academy of Sciences noted that when conducting research and development, it is impossible to determine the duration of work in this way, and also to establish that, for example, ten scientists must make such a discovery within twelve months.

    Someone up there in the X-Com outplayed.
  30. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 19 May 2018 21: 56
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    The decree “On the structure of federal executive bodies” signed by the President of Russia introduces significant changes in the management scheme of Russian science.
    Once again moved the beds instead of .... As the Academy of Sciences was in fact a ministry of something, so it remained.