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Several variants. USC will provide the Ministry of Defense new aircraft carrier projects

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By the end of 2018, USC will submit for the consideration of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation several finalized advance projects of a new domestic aircraft carrier. In the case of a positive decision on one of the options, development work on the ship can begin in 2019, reports TASS, citing a source in the military-industrial complex


Several variants. USC will provide the Ministry of Defense new aircraft carrier projects


USC was instructed before the end of the year to submit its revised proposals (for an aircraft carrier - approx.) For consideration to the Russian Defense Ministry. One of the options, in particular, involves the construction of an aircraft carrier with a displacement of 75 thousand tons
- Said the source agency.

The source explained that, in case of a positive decision on one of the projects, "the technical design of the ship, the preparation of design documentation can start from 2019, the aircraft carrier can be laid in 2021-2022, its construction, according to preliminary estimates, will last around 10 years old". The interlocutor added that the state program of armament for 2018-2027 years provided "initial funding" for the program of the new aircraft carrier.

As stated earlier in the Navy, the Russian fleet expects to receive a promising aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant by the end of 2030, the displacement of the new aircraft carrier must be at least 70 thousand tons.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 16 May 2018 13: 25
    +36
    They got it with these projects and models of an aircraft carrier. First, new ships must begin to build first and second rank surface ships, and then talk about aircraft carriers. We are not building anything above frigates. What kind of aircraft carriers are to the devil?
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 16 May 2018 13: 30
      +6
      I agree, the layouts look good, especially in museums. By the way, aircraft carriers also belong to ships of the 1st rank.
      1. MPN
        MPN 16 May 2018 14: 00
        +10
        Quote: annodomene
        I agree, layouts look good, especially in museums. By the way, aircraft carriers also belong to ships of the 1st rank.

        The first aircraft carrier, this is not an aircraft carrier yet, but an experimental ship ..., here in the series it is already an aircraft carrier, and a series of something is not even fantasized ...
        1. For example
          For example 16 May 2018 14: 08
          +1
          Quote: MPN
          here in the series this is an aircraft carrier

          Aircraft carrier in the series? wassat And how many in the end are 10 or twenty serial ones?
          A vessel in a series is understandable ... if it is a vessel for urination.
          1. MPN
            MPN 16 May 2018 14: 10
            +10
            yes 2-3 at least, China as an example ...
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 16 May 2018 14: 12
              +5
              Quote: MPN
              yes 2-3 at least, China as an example ...

              For good we need them 5. Why? Two for each fleet and one in rotation, taking into account repairs, etc. ...
              1. MPN
                MPN 16 May 2018 14: 16
                +13
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: MPN
                yes 2-3 at least, China as an example ...

                For good we need them 5. Why? Two for each fleet and one in rotation, taking into account repairs, etc. ...

                I agree .. And he alone will only improve and will be tested all the time ... He will not have time to go on hikes ... and the whole price of R&D for one will fall, also not a camille ...
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 16 May 2018 19: 09
                  +1
                  And why the model without a springboard?
                  Americans use a catapult instead of a springboard, as a result, they have low “take-off capacity” on takeoff, and problems with the catapult are regular, even fatal. But the springboard does not break, and the frequency of starts is limited only by the skill of the pilots.
                  The Chinese won, their last aircraft carrier, which they are going to launch in a series, also decided to do with a springboard, for these reasons.
                  1. Romario_Argo
                    Romario_Argo 17 May 2018 08: 43
                    0
                    for good we need a new concept for advancing with greater combat survivability and striking power
                    couple of pictures for consideration

                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 17 May 2018 20: 17
                      +1
                      That's better

                  2. PROXOR
                    PROXOR 17 May 2018 10: 17
                    0
                    Look bad. There, the springboard is visible on the model.
              2. PROXOR
                PROXOR 17 May 2018 10: 16
                0
                Suma got chtol ?! Why the hell do we need aircraft carriers in puddles of the Black, Baotian and Caspian Sea?
        2. Leeds
          Leeds 16 May 2018 14: 35
          +4
          "At the station of young technicians" is completing the construction of the model of the first aircraft carrier ...
          Damn, what a gap in this regard, even with China.
        3. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 16 May 2018 21: 05
          +1
          So the enterprise was not an aircraft carrier?
        4. annodomene
          annodomene 17 May 2018 07: 16
          +1
          Well, an experimental ship built as a warship still has a rank. And the series is good, only a little expensive in my opinion.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 May 2018 13: 30
      +5
      It is more perspective to spend this money on new long-range anti-ship missiles - air-based.
    3. dnestr74
      dnestr74 16 May 2018 13: 34
      0
      right now the oil smells 100, the World Cup is ready, the bridge is ready, all the babosiki - now the aircraft carrier and destroyers Leader)
      1. Letun
        Letun 16 May 2018 17: 28
        +4
        Quote: dnestr74
        right now oil smells 100

        And babosy again flow into the American securities and pockets of the oligarchs! Mmmm ... heal then! Beauty !!!
        1. Sergey ippon
          Sergey ippon 18 May 2018 00: 57
          0
          anticipated))
          they give us sanctions, we give them babosiki)) wassat
    4. NKT
      NKT 16 May 2018 13: 50
      +8
      Yes, let them design and build mock-ups and test individual nodes - the design idea should work, the main thing is not to lay it down yet - neither specialists, nor time, nor big finances will be delayed.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 May 2018 14: 09
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      They got it with these projects and models of an aircraft carrier. First, new ships must begin to build first and second rank surface ships, and then talk about aircraft carriers. We are not building anything above frigates. What kind of aircraft carriers are to the devil?

      So the design and construction of AB is a long business, and we must start now. By 2032, they will build the 22350 series, and they will be able to finish the "polymer-redoubt" ... maybe. smile
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 May 2018 14: 18
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        So the design and construction of AB is a long business, and we must start now. By 2032, they will build the 22350 series, and they will be able to finish the "polymer-redoubt" ... maybe.

        Alexei, you can design until blue. The question is where to build? Are we building new supply ships? What will we put in an order with an aircraft carrier? Atlanta, who is 40 years old already? The destroyer Leader is only in the layout, and the YaSU RITM-200 is already on the Arctic icebreaker.
        To wet the S-500 is also not a matter of minutes. Polement-redoubt mumble what year?
        There is no arsenal for new ships of the first second rank, except for the Caliber.
        And as a result, we have a large and large rectum in relation to fleets, which are financed according to the residual principle.
        By the way, even the frigate 22350M project is not being built. Although Shoigu said that these frigates will become the backbone of our surface forces.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 16 May 2018 15: 51
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Alexei, you can design until blue. The question is where to build?

          Either at the new plant in the Far East, or upgrade Sevmash.
          Quote: NEXUS
          Are we building new supply ships? What will we put in an order with an aircraft carrier?

          22350 and its heirs. For 20 years, they will either “get through” to the mind. or do something to replace him.
          Quote: NEXUS
          To wet the S-500 is also not a matter of minutes. Polement-redoubt mumble what year?
          There is no arsenal for new ships of the first second rank, except for the Caliber.

          Once again, AB will be in 20 years. Can our military-industrial complex solve all these problems in two decades?
          The main problem is that if we want to get AB in these 20 years, then we need to start work now. For AB is an extremely long-term project. As an example, take the timeline for Gerald Ford:
          The financing of the program began in 2001, the beginning of construction - in August 2005 of the year, the laying of the lead ship - in November 2009 of the year.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 16 May 2018 17: 17
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Either at the new plant in the Far East, or upgrade Sevmash

            It is precisely that even the horse did not wallow in this matter.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            22350 and its heirs.

            That is, we will not build destroyers? I'm not talking about the Leader. We need a series of frigates 22350M in the amount of 4 fleets and a Mediterranean squadron in the amount of at least 50 sides and I took this to a minimum. Well, at least 20 full-fledged destroyers.
            The question is, with such financing on the residual principle and cutting the defense budget, what will we build and in what quantity?


            Quote: Alexey RA
            Once again - AB will be in 20 years

            Optimistic. More likely in 30 years. Why?
            Quote: Alexey RA
            As an example, take the timeline for Gerald Ford:

            I can’t take this example, as the experience with mattresses in the construction of aircraft carriers is an order of magnitude higher than ours. Take a look at the modernization of Nakhimov. For already 5 years, a clown. They promised to transfer it until the year 20. And there will be sea trials, etc., and this is another year 2. That is, we will upgrade the cruiser roughly in 10 years.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 16 May 2018 17: 43
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              It is precisely that even the horse did not wallow in this matter.

              So because all the work on the reconstruction of the GCC, it makes sense to start only after a decision on AB. Otherwise, it will again be "misuse of funds."
              Quote: NEXUS
              That is, we will not build destroyers? I'm not talking about the Leader.

              I take the minimum sufficient escort - air defense connections and near PLO. 22350 completely fits into this globe. smile
              Quote: NEXUS
              We need a series of frigates 22350M in the amount of 4 fleets and a Mediterranean squadron in the amount of at least 50 sides and I took this to a minimum.

              Why 4 fleets at once? The "former fleet" can be immediately deleted - there will be enough corvettes, large ships on it only pass the tests. And “Chi Fleet, Chi Not Fleet” ... this is, last but not least, it already has the newest large NKs.
              Quote: NEXUS
              I can’t take this example, as the experience with mattresses in the construction of aircraft carriers is an order of magnitude higher than ours.

              I took the Yankees as an example of the minimum time between the decision to build an AB and the readiness of an AV in iron - even they have a construction cycle from the start of financing to the transfer of the fleet takes 15 years.
              And our leadership, if we want to get AB in 2040-2045, we need to make a decision in the coming year.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 16 May 2018 17: 51
                +2
                Quote: Alexey RA
                So because all the work on the reconstruction of the GCC, it makes sense to start only after a decision on AB. Otherwise, it will again be "misuse of funds."

                Well, that revolves around this decision, like head lice with announcements, mock-ups and statements.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                I take the minimum sufficient escort - air defense connections and near PLO. 22350 completely fits into this globe.

                No, it doesn’t fit. Of course, our frigates can compete with the Berks, but only what comes of this still needs to be felt.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Why 4 fleets at once?

                Okay ... but where can I get the Mediterranean squadron? Can I get it in my pockets? At the same time, for some reason, few say that there is also the Atlantic, which, by and large, only our submarines are walking around.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                even they have a construction cycle from the start of financing to the transfer of the fleet takes 15 years.

                And we have all 30 years. At the same time, as I said, where are the new support vessels? I'm not talking about drums, but those that go along with this whole company.
                I’m not against aircraft carriers and I think that we need them. But before you build them, you need to build ships of shock orders new. And not only frigates.
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 14: 17
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      NEXUS

      Hi Lexus. I have a good picture tongue lol
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 May 2018 14: 22
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hi Lexus. I have a good picture

        Start in emergency mode to build the Medvedev Center. Here it’s straight at a shocking pace, like on BAM. wassat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 14: 26
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Start in emergency mode to build the Medvedev Center.

          LEXUS, your discharge has been counted. From now on I recommend that before you write something, study at least the nominal mat.part. That would not get into the millet
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 16 May 2018 14: 33
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            LEXUS, your drain is counted.

            Well, what kind of drain is it? For 10 years, if you believe this scheme, half a million people have moved. And do not hang up the scheme next to how many people are waiting for citizenship and how much time? From 30 to 40 million Russians live, and even more Russian-speakers who think in Russian and who would very much like to become citizens of the Russian Federation.
            And even if this figure is correct, then in comparison with how many people are behind the fence of Russian citizenship, your efforts and efforts of Medvedev, a drop in the bucket.
            So especially do not bubble from puppy delight. Your numbers do not prove yours, but mine.
            Be healthy, citizen.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 14: 40
              0
              Quote: NEXUS
              Well, what kind of drain is this? Over 10 years, according to this little scheme, half a million people have moved

              This is the 3 place in the world, after the USA and Germany.
              Quote: NEXUS
              how many people are waiting for citizenship and how much time.

              No need to invent, you do not have data on this issue. Everything else from the evil one
              Quote: NEXUS
              And even if this figure is correct, then in comparison with how many people are behind the fence of Russian citizenship, your efforts and efforts of Medvedev, a drop in the bucket.

              Quote: NEXUS
              And even if this figure is correct, then in comparison with how many people are behind the fence of Russian citizenship, your efforts and efforts of Medvedev, a drop in the bucket.

              Interesting logic, blame everything on Medvedev. What do not blame Putin? Although you already fell the last time, throwing out a heresy that Putin made the decision on Georgia wassat
              Can you prove it? The question is rhetorical, you can not answer.
              Therefore, your miserable attempts to give out black for white and vice versa, against the background of a complete lack of knowledge of questions about which you do not understand the word ABSOLUTELY. Not just funny, they are at the 5 level of a high school class.

              Therefore, DRAIN IS PROTECTED.
              Go learn to match! Maybe a miracle will happen and you will become smarter.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 16 May 2018 14: 45
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Although you already fell the last time, throwing out a heresy that Putin made the decision on Georgia

                Wow, how smart ... and when the shelling of peacekeepers began, you can find out? And when was the decision to send troops made? Che dreamed stupidity, now you are laying it out here?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Go learn to match! Maybe a miracle will happen and you will become smarter.

                Yeah ... you got sick of a disease. I repeat, go build the Medvedev Center and appoint yourself its director.
                About materiel would be silent. Digging out a scheme and sitting proud of himself. Scheme in the studio of the number of people who are waiting for citizenship, expert. And we'll talk there.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 14: 47
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Wow, how smart ..

                  Listen, come on dosvidos. He knows who made the decisions. Overgrown with connections in the Kremlin, what would your fingers sit here to bend? No, then we sit and shut up in a rag.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 16 May 2018 14: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Listen, come on dosvidos. Knows who made the decisions. Overgrown with connections in the Kremlin, what would your fingers sit here to bend? No, then we sit and shut up in a rag.

                    And you don’t cough, sickly. lol
    7. NOMADE
      NOMADE 16 May 2018 14: 27
      +1
      Yeah, and apl, and icebreakers are not building either ..
      The problem is the "dough that makes loot", that's why they score. I understand that an aircraft carrier is much more complicated, but it is partly comparable with the construction of an apl and icebreaker with ae
      1. NOMADE
        NOMADE 16 May 2018 14: 28
        0
        It’s just that icebreakers are needed to develop and maintain deposits in the artillery, but there are no aircraft carriers .., that’s the whole answer
    8. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 16 May 2018 18: 55
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      They got it with these projects and models of an aircraft carrier. First, new ships must begin to build first and second rank surface ships, and then talk about aircraft carriers. We are not building anything above frigates. What kind of aircraft carriers are to the devil?


      An occupation fleet is needed. Aircraft carriers and UDC. What is not clear to you ??? So let them do it.
    9. d1975
      d1975 16 May 2018 22: 50
      +2
      Andrey, who needs this, our leaders have tasks only at rallies. Maybe we really need to change the emblem? I remember somewhere I saw a caricature. I’ll say, I’m not fighting Troll. I am a simple normal Russian man, disappointed immediately after the inauguration, and even the Medvedev government. It’s just that our state doesn’t have ale. wassat
    10. Skif83
      Skif83 17 May 2018 10: 51
      +1
      Well, who controls something "jerk"?
      Contourists and twitter ministers, there are a lot of show-offs, the result is still small.
      They’ll start now, but what about the Crimean bridge ... The Crimean bridge is probably a unique technical building, I agree, only how many Tomahawks will be enough in case of war, one or two ...? And Crimea is an island again?
      I think that for these funds it was possible to “buy” the whole of eastern Ukraine with their local administration.
      I exaggerate, of course, but I think it is not far from the truth.
      The United States has invested more than 5 billion in Ukraine over 20 years and brainwashed many. The Crimean bridge was built in more than 3 years and costs about 600 billion rubles from the railway.
      Those. The states spent $ 5 billion in twenty-five years, bought Ukraine, made our enemy of it, and we, Russia, spent 3 times more in 2 years on a bridge? Not for a “purchase” of at least half of Ukraine, but simply for a bridge? Well, even if not just a bridge ...?
      Some dubious economic effect ...

      Our "elita" is infected with show-offs!
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 May 2018 13: 26
    +2
    As stated earlier in the Navy, the Russian fleet Calculates get a promising aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant by the end of the 2030 year,

    "Calculate" - this is necessary and good, but before 2030 how much water leaks !!!
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 May 2018 13: 49
      +4
      here to live more ...
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 16 May 2018 13: 28
    0
    may be laid down in 2021-2022, its construction, according to preliminary estimates, will last about 10 years. "The source added that the state armament program for 2018-2027 provides for" initial funding "for the new aircraft carrier program.

    Does the initial funding also apply to design work?
    Then the fork of readiness is approximately from 32 to 40 years (the 40th in the case of a puff with "initial funding" to 27 years).
  4. Don
    Don 16 May 2018 13: 29
    +6
    This is how you need to manage the country so that it has forgotten how to produce everything that it collected thirty years ago like baking pies? request
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 16 May 2018 13: 34
      +3
      Quote: Donskoy
      This is how you need to manage the country so that it has forgotten how to produce everything that it collected thirty years ago like baking pies?

      All - no one knows how to collect request
      Even in those days (did not know how).
      They (the managers) unfortunately do not know about your abilities ... otherwise they would certainly ask how everything should be done yes
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 16 May 2018 13: 40
      0
      Quote: Donskoy
      This is how to manage the country so that it has forgotten how to produce everything that it collected thirty years ago

      Correctly. You tell me, when we built the last Borodino class battleship, or we built a large airship. Ah disappeared Rassey, stolen all
      1. novel66
        novel66 16 May 2018 13: 50
        +7
        By the way, in the production of bast shoes we are in Tsarist Russia greatly inferior
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 16 May 2018 13: 57
          +1
          So all you can’t list.)) There are people who see only what they want. But what is being built on Sevmash Eleven Ash-trees 885 and Boreev 955, they are not interested.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 16 May 2018 13: 58
        +5
        Well Borodino is a so-so example. French boilers, French-style shells (actually a license), German communications, English rangefinders. Well, etc.

        Airships - then they could only build balloons themselves (that is, without a mover). Engines 100% of purchases are foreign.

        And now the situation is similar by the way laughing . True, from English and French to Austrian, Czech and German engines switched lol .
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 16 May 2018 14: 13
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          Well Borodino is a so-so example. French boilers, French-style shells (actually a license), German communications, English rangefinders. Well, etc.

          But they riveted every year in pieces (or even more?). How our current patriots dream
          PS The airship is certainly handsome good Sorry little cost-effective
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 16 May 2018 14: 21
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          Airships - then they could only build balloons themselves (that is, without a mover). Engines 100% of purchases are foreign.

          Well, even if the purchase. And then, in the Empire, it came to using trophy engines from wrecked German aircraft.
        3. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 16 May 2018 21: 11
          +1
          you don’t have to lie all while everyone was building airships (or trying lol ) backward Russia built under a hundred heavy four-engine bombers partly with Russian engines, and ensured the protection of its army and allies from the German chemical weapons of mass destruction
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 14: 15
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        Oh, gone Russia

        Come on, it's all gone. Not tormented
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 16 May 2018 18: 26
          0
          There is another option:
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 May 2018 14: 16
      +1
      Quote: Donskoy
      This is how you need to manage the country so that it has forgotten how to produce everything that it collected thirty years ago like baking pies?

      To begin with - you need to destroy the country that Thirty years ago I collected like baked pies. The same gas turbine engines for ships of the 1st rank were made by a bunch of Rybinsk-Peter-Nikolaev.
      And yet - that country did not build a single normal aircraft carrier.
  5. novel66
    novel66 16 May 2018 13: 51
    +2
    I want with armor and a catapult. can?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: novel xnumx
      I want with armor and a catapult. can?

      You can Roma, even with laser and plasma guns, vertical take-off planes that can fly to Mars and back to the deck. But there is a difficulty
      Quote: novel xnumx
      here to live more ...

      Then change your nickname to Duncan MacLeod wassat
      1. novel66
        novel66 16 May 2018 13: 57
        +1
        Do you think it will help?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 14: 00
          0
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Do you think it will help?

          You will be immortal. The main thing is not to break firewood when drunk, otherwise they will slap a lifelong one, you will sweat to sit laughing laughing
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 May 2018 14: 24
      +1
      Quote: novel xnumx
      I want with armor and a catapult. can?

      The main thing is that without a springboard, aircraft KVVP, launchers SLCM under the flight deck and air defense systems DD. smile
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 14: 29
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The main

        The main thing to DREAM!
        1. novel66
          novel66 16 May 2018 14: 47
          +1
          The main thing to DREAM!
          you are a spiritual person, already a tear has broken crying I will drink it drinks
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 16 May 2018 14: 50
            0
            Quote: novel xnumx
            you are a spiritual person, already a tear has broken

            If transparent, like alcohol, do not wipe, lick laughing laughing
      2. novel66
        novel66 16 May 2018 14: 48
        +1
        aah! here are the figurines! then it will be the Aircraft Carrier and the Turks will not let him into the Black Sea
  6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 May 2018 13: 53
    +3
    Well, let's hope that common sense will prevail, and one of the advance projects will be accepted. With the subsequent opening of OCD and other things.
    In any case, it’s important that the advance projects are ordered - this means that the Moscow Region understands the need to build a ship of this class
    1. NN52
      NN52 16 May 2018 13: 58
      +2
      I also think that the good news.
      If only the MO would not change their mind by the end of the year ...
      But how long is it .....
      Kuznetsov so much may not depart, in time ...
  7. Nfl1.6
    Nfl1.6 16 May 2018 14: 07
    +3
    Such news is already ridiculous ..
    Well, today is a good day, I will participate the same ..
    To the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, FOR FREE:
    "A quick way to build an aircraft carrier in the Russian Federation"
    We take two “killed” Orlan’s, gutted from everything unnecessary except the GEM, we connect them together like a catamaran, we cover the whole economy with a flight deck + 4 ... 5 elevators .. The right side of the deck is for parking, the left is take-off / full length landing. We get the platform ~ 270/110 m
    with an air group of ~ 200 units. Speed ​​and autonomy - befitting an aircraft carrier.
    Units problemma - doc. Though shoot - but this is the best alternative to just cut these cruisers under ANY pretext.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 May 2018 15: 34
      0
      One is being dismantled for scrap - Kirov, the rest will be modernized.
  8. Topotun
    Topotun 16 May 2018 14: 29
    +1
    The new aircraft carrier is certainly good .... But wait 10 years from the project to the end of construction .... Maybe by then it will either not be needed, or it will become obsolete again .... It seems that China is building faster. Is it really impossible to meet deadlines or then make the main fleet ships a priority?
  9. Capiton
    Capiton 16 May 2018 14: 34
    +2
    No doubt our country needs an aircraft carrier.
  10. XXXIII
    XXXIII 16 May 2018 14: 39
    +4
    As stated earlier in the Navy, the Russian fleet expects to receive a promising aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant by the end of 2030, the displacement of the new aircraft carrier must be at least 70 thousand tons.
    We are waiting, there are still enough forces .... yes hi

    But we won’t build, so we’ll select (a joke) .... laughing hi
  11. Lawyer
    Lawyer 16 May 2018 15: 44
    0
    Building 10 years is a lot. It is necessary to improve production technology. This is simply unacceptable.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 May 2018 17: 20
      +1
      Quote: Jurist
      Building 10 years is a lot. It is necessary to improve production technology. This is simply unacceptable.

      Take Gerald Ford again. Started construction in 2009, transferred to the fleet in 2016, adopted by the fleet in 2017. And this is in the country in which ABs are built in series.
      So 10 years for the first head AV is normal.
  12. Old26
    Old26 16 May 2018 16: 42
    +2
    Quote: NOMADE
    The problem is the "dough that makes loot", that's why they score.

    The problem is not only and not so much in the dough. The question is what will be on this aircraft carrier. At a minimum, you need to create an AWACS aircraft from scratch, practice catapults, reconsider your view of aviation weapons, and finally decide which one we need ....

    Quote: novel xnumx
    aah! here are the figurines! then it will be the Aircraft Carrier and the Turks will not let him into the Black Sea

    And we have on the Black Sea where to build a ship of such a displacement? And then, where does the convention say that an aircraft carrier cannot be carried through the straits? EMNIP there is only a provision that during the passage through the straits the rise of aviation is not allowed.
    Here is a nuclear power plant - yes there, as far as I remember, the Black Sea is a zone free of ships and submarines with a nuclear power plant. And even that is not certain ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 May 2018 18: 36
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Here is a nuclear power plant - yes there, as far as I remember, the Black Sea is a zone free of ships and submarines with a nuclear power plant. And even that is not certain ...

      The nuclear "Northern Sea Route" was built in Kerch.
      Quote: Old26
      At a minimum, you need to create an AWACS aircraft from scratch, practice catapults,

      Yeah ... 30 years after the cessation of work on the carrier-based AWACS and catapult. sad
      Quote: Old26
      And we have on the Black Sea where to build a ship of such a displacement?

      Just the stuffed Gulf.
      Real places of construction - 2. Either a new plant in the Far East, or upgrade Sevmash.
  13. net0103net
    net0103net 16 May 2018 16: 48
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    This is very good news.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 May 2018 18: 48
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      For shipbuilders, the news is wonderful - for the budget, the news is horrible, the price of the issue is just a trillion rubles.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 May 2018 19: 12
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        the price of the issue is a trillion rubles.

        Sexilliard. laughing
        1. net0103net
          net0103net 17 May 2018 08: 07
          0
          ..................))))
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 May 2018 10: 50
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          The ship itself is billions of 500 rubles, plus a Su wing of 57 planes 100 - that’s a trillion. Or you think that a nuclear carrier is cheap.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 17 May 2018 12: 17
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            Quote: Vadim237
            The ship itself is billions of 500 rubles, plus a Su wing of 57 planes 100 - that’s a trillion. Or you think that a nuclear carrier is cheap.

            And the fact that the budget of the Russian Federation is calculated at $ 40 per barrel and what is more, this is net profit, where is it?
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 May 2018 17: 30
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            Quote: Vadim237
            The ship itself is billions of 500 rubles

            Twice less
            Quote: Vadim237
            plus Su wing 57 aircraft 100

            Where are you going to get them there? A carrier of 70 kilotons will rise from the strength of 250 + 36 heavy fighters + aircraft and support helicopters
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 18 May 2018 16: 23
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              75000 tons is the dry weight of an aircraft carrier.
      2. net0103net
        net0103net 17 May 2018 07: 49
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        You can earn money only on interest, right? Do you know how to invest?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 May 2018 10: 52
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          This is not an investment - a waste, a lot of money.
  14. Sonet
    Sonet 16 May 2018 17: 07
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    An American look at our future aircraft carrier.
  15. Yak28
    Yak28 16 May 2018 18: 20
    +2
    It’s certainly not fast to build it, but the main thing is to start building it and not to abandon it later, and everything is possible for our country. And the aircraft carrier is certainly needed, and there are several of them. fleet.
  16. Tank hard
    Tank hard 16 May 2018 21: 32
    +1
    The question is, do Russia need aircraft carriers? Or maybe the Russian fleet could do without them?
    Purely practical, without it:
    (It is prestigious to have an aircraft carrier, this raises the status of the country and its fleet.)
    1. Seaflame
      Seaflame 16 May 2018 22: 44
      +2
      Everyone needs a cover from the sky! And the sailors too.
    2. bugagich
      bugagich 18 May 2018 21: 02
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      The question is, do Russia need aircraft carriers? Or maybe the Russian fleet could do without them?

      perhaps, but only if he abandons the ocean, with a gradual creeping in the "coast guard" ...
  17. Seaflame
    Seaflame 16 May 2018 22: 33
    +2
    Of course, I want our Navy to have nuclear carriers (at least one on the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet). But mlyn ... Yes, money is needed, a lot of money is needed, so besides money, there is not enough production capacity, and the worst thing is that there is a shortage of specialists! Three problems, not one! As you recall, the history of the Ivan Gren BDK or the so-needed Navy frigate Admiral Gorshkov is completely sad. It’s good that even with submarines there is no such ambush ... While we rejoice at “Karakurt” and hold our fists for “Gorshkov”. And aircraft carriers ... for me it now sounds fabulous!
    1. BABA SHURA
      BABA SHURA 16 May 2018 23: 30
      0
      A country of rogue, with a negative birth rate and great Wishlist. Gasoline after the election + 2 rupees.
      1. net0103net
        net0103net 17 May 2018 08: 16
        +1
        Yes, I am a rogue - of money, only until the end of the month. But I am calmer than anyone in the world. I live in my homeland. Homeland-will not betray, will not let go. This is known to all, without exception, who changed their homeland for money, which in the end was still not enough.
        It's not evening yet ... NOT EVENING.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 17 May 2018 12: 01
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          Quote: net0103net
          Homeland

          Quote: net0103net
          NOT YET EVENING.

          So! I stand my ground! I fight "for my own hand"!
          good
  18. Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 17 May 2018 04: 28
    +1
    Quote: Shurik70
    Americans use a catapult instead of a springboard, so as a result they have a low “take-off” capacity on take-off

    What is this opus?
    Read about catapults and bandwidth
    https://flotprom.ru/publications/science/hull/rus
    siancarrier / 5 /
  19. LPD17
    LPD17 17 May 2018 11: 10
    +1
    What a beautiful model) would take on a shelf to put!
  20. TimurEkgardt
    TimurEkgardt 17 May 2018 14: 31
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    Well them, these aircraft carriers. Good target, dear. Maybe a better submarine with missile defense? And what. A thing necessary in everyday life. Perhaps it would be for someone to launch several ballistic missiles, and then figax, and then they shot down near the coast. Well, in response, the same amount.
    1. Seaflame
      Seaflame 17 May 2018 16: 52
      +1
      Submarines with missile defense? So she is in the water position and as a result of this loses her main tactical property - secrecy.
      1. TimurEkgardt
        TimurEkgardt 18 May 2018 11: 33
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        And figs with her stealth. The main thing is to shoot targets at the right time and if possible to hide from the terrain, for example on a separate boat (small), ideally cram the entire captain’s bridge there. I’m not a designer, but I can easily imagine an ordinary submarine, but not with torpedo tubes, but with mines loaded with S-300/400/500 missiles and at least 800, whatever it is.
        1. bugagich
          bugagich 18 May 2018 21: 22
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          Quote: TimurEkgardt
          Well them, these aircraft carriers. Good target, dear. Maybe a better submarine with missile defense?

          Quote: TimurEkgardt
          And figs with her stealth. The main thing is to shoot targets at the right time and if possible to hide from the terrain, for example on a separate boat (small), ideally cram the entire captain’s bridge there. I’m not a designer, but I can easily imagine an ordinary submarine, but not with torpedo tubes, but with mines loaded with S-300/400/500 missiles and at least 800, whatever it is.

          wassat
          Quote: TimurEkgardt
          I'm not a constructor

          at least something intelligible in this opus fellow