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Bollywood continues. India offers to buy for assembly 40 Su-30 instead of expensive Rafale

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In India, they paid attention to the relatively low rate of the ruble, which makes Russian military products extremely attractive to Indian customers. In particular, we are talking about fighters, which in the amount of several dozen plans to contract the Indian Air Force in the near future. Edition The defense world It comes out with a material stating that Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) proposes to conclude a contract for the construction of 40 Su-30MKI planes, which (contract) in modern macroeconomic conditions for the Indian Air Force will cost significantly less than a similar contract for the acquisition of French Rafale.


Head HAL Suvarna Raju:
We propose to pay attention to the contract for Su-30MKI, which today are estimated at about 4,25 billion rupees, while the Indian Air Force is going to pay 11,25 billion rupees for the French Rafale, moreover, without taking into account the prices for weapons and logistics. For those 170 billion rupees, which are ready to pay to the Air Force of the country, you can purchase an additional 40 Su-30. We could purchase planes prepared for the final assembly from Russia, after which we could complete the assembly at our plant in Nashik (city in India). The main goal - to collect these aircraft quickly and cheaply.


Bollywood continues. India offers to buy for assembly 40 Su-30 instead of expensive Rafale


Raju notes that it is Russian Su-30 that can be used for strikes with the help of BrahMos cruise missiles of air-based (ALCM). According to him, the acquisition of the Su-30 for the BrahMos missiles will also be more profitable than the repair and modernization (under the BrahMos) of "old" airplanes that are in service with the Indian Air Force.

In the publication, citing sources in the Indian government say that the proposal of the HAL Indian Cabinet interested.
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  1. Sergey Pavlov
    Sergey Pavlov 15 May 2018 19: 47
    +8
    This is India baby. Well, what a catavasia ... One thing, then another, then the third. You Indians already decide what and how.
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 15 May 2018 19: 48
      +11
      Well really)) come to their senses. But it’s better not to flatter yourself, let's see what comes of this, otherwise they have seven Fridays in a week ..
      1. Logall
        Logall 15 May 2018 19: 52
        +10
        Quote: maxim947
        they have seven fridays a week ..

        Many-armed Shiva - many hands, one "udder" is not enough! You need several “cows” for milking at once ...
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 15 May 2018 20: 25
          +4
          Quote: Logall
          Many-armed Shiva - many hands

          A "rollback" is not enough ... The French move.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 15 May 2018 19: 59
        +5
        Quote: maxim947
        Well really)) come to their senses. But it’s better not to flatter yourself, let's see what comes of this, otherwise they have seven Fridays in a week ..

        Why watch this? The rate is low, so fighters can buy it at a very ridiculous price. I’m sure that the contract will be signed very quickly, without much bidding and discussion. Moreover, I suspect that not only Indians will want to get on this sale.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 15 May 2018 20: 41
          +16
          Quote: NEXUS
          The course is low, so you can buy fighters at a very ridiculous price.

          And what does the ruble exchange rate and the price of a fighter have to do with it? There are contract prices for military-industrial complex products and no one will reduce them. One question is if our products will be finally assembled in India or have a certain option.
          Myanmar 6 SU 30 SME cost 300 million bucks, 50 lyam per unit. . hi
          1. Logall
            Logall 15 May 2018 20: 46
            +7
            hi
            Quote: kapitan92
            And what does the ruble exchange rate and the price of a fighter have to do with it?

            Moreover, it is being built for rubles ... The salary of workers in rubles ... The cost is in rubles! The higher the euro, the more expensive Rafael is relative to Sukhoi ...
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 15 May 2018 20: 54
              +9
              You take out of the context of the answer to the post of Andrew!
              "The rate is low, so fighters can be purchased at a very ridiculous price. I am sure that the contract will be signed very quickly, without much bidding and discussion. Moreover, I suspect that not only Indians will want to get on this sale due to such a ruble exchange rate."This is his post.
              What does the ruble have to do with a question in the pricing of a contract for a foreign country?
              The cost of production of Lada in the USSR was penny, and in the same Germany, the fret was worth about 7-8 thousand Deutsch marks.
              1. Wened
                Wened 16 May 2018 12: 43
                +1
                I have a child every year "winters" in India. They have already had a rupee rate of almost 1 to 1 to the Russian ruble for a year. Perhaps that is why they talk about benefits. IMHO
            2. just exp
              just exp 16 May 2018 08: 23
              +1
              for export, it goes for bucks and not for rubles.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 15 May 2018 20: 53
            +3
            Quote: kapitan92
            And what does the ruble exchange rate and the price of a fighter have to do with it?

            And the price of a fighter depends on what? From your desire or from what price in RUBLES it will be contracted at this very moment? Then, after the conclusion of the contract, the ruble may be 30 rubles per dollar, but fighters will build and transfer to the Indians at the price at the time of the conclusion of the contract.
            Today, the Indians have a kind of sale with not frail discounts.
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 15 May 2018 21: 00
              +8
              Quote: NEXUS
              And the price of a fighter depends on what?

              The price of a fighter depends on market conditions! Or do you think that at a cost of 30 million in Irkut SU20MKI, the fighter will be sold for 25.
              Quote: NEXUS
              Then, after the conclusion of the contract, the ruble may be 30 rubles per dollar, but fighters will build and transfer to the Indians at the price at the time of the conclusion of the contract.

              You are absolutely right, they will transfer at the price of the contract, but where does the cheapness and sale here?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 15 May 2018 21: 47
                +1
                Quote: kapitan92
                The price of a fighter depends on market conditions!

                That's it ... we are offering, and the Indians are buying, say for one price, say 50 Baku citrus fruits overboard, but at the current rate. And tomorrow there will be a different course, but the contract is already signed. And this SU-30 of 50 Baku citruses, in terms of rubles, is not at all the same as it will be in a year or two, when the Indians get their 30th.
        2. maxim947
          maxim947 15 May 2018 20: 44
          +2
          The course three years ago was also low - so what? Something did not stand in line, so time will tell, the Indians regarding the purchase of weapons are changeable people, they will also bargain.
      3. RASKAT
        RASKAT 15 May 2018 20: 00
        +2
        Well, as I said, the French will not give them the technology along with the Rafales, and the Indian military will not allow them to overpay, and the notoriously worse aircraft than the Su-30.
        The same goes for ships and submarines.
        1. mvg
          mvg 15 May 2018 20: 57
          +2
          Hindus fools, who have been operating the Su-30MKI for a year, know everything about him, but Rafal and Tornado reached the finals, 100+ lemons each. Plus training and armament and service.
          Maybe they know something that you don’t know? It never occurred to you?
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 15 May 2018 21: 02
            +3
            They wanted a light fighter. And now they understood why to take light, when for the same price you can take heavy?
            1. mvg
              mvg 15 May 2018 21: 38
              +1
              And look at the characteristics of the Typhoon, the combat radius is the same, it raises almost the same .. Radars are now better ..
              What is the difference between heavy? They say (though the Saxons themselves) in the battles of the Fu-22 does not lose. Maybe all the same a couple of training fights held? With Dryers ..
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 15 May 2018 20: 15
        0
        Hindus, they are such, at first curse, break down, then in the end they will choose the best anyway.
      5. Vadivak
        Vadivak 15 May 2018 21: 17
        +4
        Quote: maxim947
        Well really)) come to their senses.

        Zhora, do not torment yourself. People have great sorrow, they want to bargain. What is your price? We will talk as cultural people.
        M. Zhvanetsky
      6. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 15 May 2018 21: 27
        +3
        Quote: maxim947
        Well really)) come to their senses. But it’s better not to flatter yourself, let's see what comes of this, otherwise they have seven Fridays in a week ..

        here the main problem is
        Quote: maxim947
        after which we complete the assembly at our factory in Nashik (a city in India - approx. “VO”). The main goal is to assemble these aircraft quickly and cheaply.

        wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
    2. A good one
      A good one 15 May 2018 19: 53
      +8
      Everyone is already used to their freaks, so they sit quietly on the sidelines, smoke, wait their turn, to whom God will send. smile
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 16 May 2018 00: 58
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Pavlov
      You Indians already decide

      Well, sooner or later, one way or another, but it will have to happen. laughing Or not? wassat In the meantime - a disco. fellow
    4. tTshka
      tTshka 16 May 2018 14: 36
      0
      Who pays, he orders the music))) Their money, and, accordingly, their business, how to play at a price. And the fact that one of the sellers will offer a discount is a fact!
      But personally, I’m sure that the final decision will be in favor of the “dry”!
  2. figwam
    figwam 15 May 2018 19: 48
    +2
    Well, these muddy partners ...
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 15 May 2018 20: 35
      +6
      Quote: figvam
      Well, these muddy partners ...

      So that they have “enlightenment” come, they must be told that Pakistan is next in line for the “SU-shki”.
  3. Serhiodjan
    Serhiodjan 15 May 2018 19: 48
    0
    Oh, sound reasoning among the Indians. Money must be saved :)
  4. Angel_and_Demon
    Angel_and_Demon 15 May 2018 19: 49
    +7
    We could purchase aircraft prepared for final assembly from Russia, and then complete the assembly at our factory in Nashik (a city in India, approx. “VO”). The main goal is to assemble these aircraft quickly and cheaply.
    In no case - quickly and cheaply - is it again falling and beating, but do you need anti-advertising? let them take only ready-made ones - at least during the warranty period they will definitely fly
    1. MPN
      MPN 15 May 2018 20: 25
      +9
      Fast - quality - cheap ... Choose any two conditions ... wink
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 15 May 2018 20: 27
        +5
        Quote: MPN
        Fast - quality - cheap ... Choose any two conditions ...

        into this chain qualitatively not built in hi
        1. MPN
          MPN 15 May 2018 20: 35
          +8
          Quote: Angel_and_Demon
          does not integrate qualitatively into this chain

          So two conditions are only possible ... to be built in qualitatively, either expensively or slowly ... yes hi
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 15 May 2018 20: 58
            +4
            Quote: MPN
            So two conditions are only possible ... to be built in qualitatively, either expensively or slowly ...

            here I am about it
        2. Gary zucker
          Gary zucker 16 May 2018 09: 49
          0

          everything happens
      2. Igor V
        Igor V 15 May 2018 20: 45
        +1
        Quote: MPN
        Fast - quality - cheap ... Choose any two conditions ... wink

        They have been buying these Rafali for about ten years! smile So "fast" is not relevant.
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 May 2018 21: 21
          +2
          Quote: Igor V
          Quote: MPN
          Fast - quality - cheap ... Choose any two conditions ... wink

          They have been buying these Rafali for about ten years! smile So "fast" is not relevant.

          The history of India has 3 thousand years that they are some ten years old ...
          1. Angel_and_Demon
            Angel_and_Demon 15 May 2018 22: 00
            +4
            Quote: Alf
            The history of India has 3 thousand years that they are some ten years old ...

            are mistaken, so for 5000 years, all who were quick-thinking - burned out long ago, and these at the genetic level
  5. -ш-
    -ш- 15 May 2018 19: 50
    +2
    can they have something and they will start buying from China)
  6. Corporal Pupkin
    Corporal Pupkin 15 May 2018 19: 51
    +1
    Maybe enough for our traders from the defense industry before elephant riders to "dance"?
    How many countries are in line, wanting to sell their high-tech military-industrial complex to India cheaper?!?
    Let them buy READY, which are much cheaper and better than "Rafaley" or ...
    we will sell them to Pakistan, China, Iran, Vietnam ..
  7. net0103net
    net0103net 15 May 2018 19: 51
    +1
    This is good news, if only they had their minds and actually signed a contract. One thing is not clear how Rafali can be more attractive than the SU-30 even if all other problems are discarded. They simply speculate in India with the risks of "losing the market", they are knocking down the price, it is stupid of them.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 15 May 2018 20: 04
      +3
      Quote: net0103net
      It's a good news,

      What? With the fact that at a very low price they will buy the SU-30 from us? Well, the joy is so-so. I would not be surprised if the S-400 is also at a lower price, given the low ruble exchange rate, several will want to contract divisions, along with the T-90.
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 15 May 2018 20: 53
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: net0103net
        It's a good news,

        What? With the fact that at a very low price they will buy the SU-30 from us? Well, the joy is so-so. I would not be surprised if the S-400 is also at a lower price, given the low ruble exchange rate, several will want to contract divisions, along with the T-90.

        I support. At what expense we owe our budget to the Hindus such royal gifts to dump. Now our altruism will not be appreciated. Recently, there has been a feeling that the special bargaining of Indian bureaucrats on purchases is stimulated not by weak kickbacks and it is extremely likely that it is not him who begs for the technology of the treba, but Uncle Sam, who has been rubbing the skin of the Indian government in recent years ...
      2. net0103net
        net0103net 15 May 2018 23: 17
        +1
        That's why I said good news. If the indie jop were not so mean, then I would say that the news is great.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 15 May 2018 20: 16
      +9
      They want technology. In Rafale, interest was shown in avionics (electronics) and engines. It was clear from the outset that everything had to be laid out in full. Weapons need NATO on him, Russian missiles and ammunition for the AP are not suitable. Even AB is hard to adapt. Well, personnel for maintenance and flight personnel. One pilot under 10 million. training costs.
      And here ... They’re not going anywhere from Russian aircraft. The assembly of the Bramos anti-ship missile and the Su-30 carrier is there, the flight crew and service are also ... And it seems to me that the MiG-35 will soon be in the skies of India - you only take at least a regiment into service. And the reason is the same ... There is of course the F-16, under which the states are ready to place production. But then again the question arises in the ammunition and weapons for him, personnel. I noticed that when everything is included in the contract (west. Machines) (BC and personnel), then the cost increases three times from the cost of the machine itself. There is a reason for scratching the Hindus' turnips ... The MiG-29 was mastered and available by the Indians, so there is nothing cheaper for them than the MiG-35 ... Yes, and surely they put their MiG-29 against the F-16 in numerous exercises with NATO. If everything else that the MiG claims has been done on the MiG-35 (increased resources, modern avionics, modern engine), then ... it would be faster to finish it, how much can you wait. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 May 2018 21: 20
        +3
        Indian dances around and about .... anyway take.
        If our service was on top! The technique is complex and the manufacturer must provide everything you need from and to.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 15 May 2018 21: 33
          +6
          I agree. You can earn more on parts and service than on the machine itself. hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 May 2018 22: 18
            +3
            Et yes. soldier
            BUT, how much can be LOST without providing normal maintenance of the sold equipment !!! And in the arms market this is the most important factor! Vital!
            Recall our Lada! Well, this is a DIY constructor yourself, finally, spare parts ... mmm ... well, you know, but it’s better not to remember the warranty service! normal words simply do not remain, some are special terms.
            GOOD SERVICE, this is half the success in the effective operation of weapons! Acc. and sales will grow!
  8. Zubr
    Zubr 15 May 2018 19: 53
    +2
    Hindus have recently begun to greyhound. Sifted by grubs, like a pregnant girl. Also, SU-57 technologies wanted to be Squeezed from us for thanks.
  9. san4es
    san4es 15 May 2018 20: 10
    +3
    Su-30s can be used to strike using airborne cruise missiles BrahMos (ALCM)
    November 22 2017 years
    1. NN52
      NN52 15 May 2018 20: 51
      +4
      san4es

      Hi!
      And those that are on elephants, so surely they can?
      1. NN52
        NN52 15 May 2018 20: 53
        +3
        Or like this...

        Or will ready-made boards roll out of the workshop on elephants?
      2. san4es
        san4es 15 May 2018 21: 02
        +2
        hi Hello!.
        Quote: NN52
        ... And those that are on elephants, so surely they can?

        recourse ... it is in doubt request
        1. NN52
          NN52 15 May 2018 21: 16
          +2
          Well, yes, I agree ...
          And a beard under any CM is not allowed ... a mustache is still somehow possible ...
    2. mvg
      mvg 15 May 2018 21: 08
      +2
      All the same, they hooked a telegraph pole under the carcass of SUSHKI. yes Still would show that hit.
      1. san4es
        san4es 15 May 2018 21: 22
        +2
        Quote: mvg
        ... Still would show that hit.

        ... I did not find the hit “air-to-surface.” ... there are only ship and shore tests for 2015
        1. NN52
          NN52 15 May 2018 21: 36
          +2
          Alexander

          Do you like to sink ships ...
          1. san4es
            san4es 15 May 2018 21: 40
            +1
            Quote: NN52
            ... to sink ships ...

            stop by no means ... just as targets winked..I like them “alive” soldier
            1. NN52
              NN52 15 May 2018 22: 06
              +2
              "Square" ....? laughing laughing tongue
        2. mvg
          mvg 16 May 2018 23: 45
          0
          Thank. Brahmos - And it was supposed to be 500 kg lighter and smaller (in short, it did not fit). Something sacrificed. Most likely BB + fuel.
          I would like the whole flight + result. And, warm, Barak-8 knocked him down. but infa is superficial, given by the Israelites request
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 15 May 2018 20: 13
    +2
    Let them buy dear Rafali, and then sit on their expensive service and maintenance.
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 15 May 2018 20: 15
    +3
    He is gypsy and gypsy in India. All strive for a penny to buy a rupee.
  12. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 15 May 2018 20: 17
    +2
    Just like not responsible women behave. Ugh, look disgusting.
  13. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 15 May 2018 20: 33
    +1
    In India, drew attention to the relatively low ruble exchange rate

    The tremendous success of the native government! Glory, Glory to Naibulina and Co.!
    And if you bring the ruble exchange rate to 1000 for one greenish? So it will be possible to sell all of Russia !!! Hooray!!!
  14. Livonetc
    Livonetc 15 May 2018 20: 34
    +2
    Absolutely true logic among the Indians.
    Do not throw money away like trash.
    It was our Olympic facilities that cost several times more than the real price.
    And these are not isolated cases, but a tradition.
    At the same time, all channels are collecting funds for the treatment of children.
    Children cannot afford the state.
    So the Indians in this case are very correct citizens of their homeland.
    1. Charik
      Charik 15 May 2018 21: 47
      +1
      so it’s also necessary benz = 1 $ -1litre to make the next banker soon help, beggar
  15. sleeve
    sleeve 15 May 2018 20: 34
    0
    Will the signing of the contract be a dance?
  16. Simon
    Simon 15 May 2018 20: 35
    0
    Quote: figvam
    Well, these muddy partners ...

    Well what do you do! For little money, they want to take good cars. wink
  17. CYM
    CYM 15 May 2018 20: 36
    0
    The main goal is to assemble these aircraft quickly and cheaply.
    Miser pays twice. I recalled a joke. The Americans stole the drawings of the fighter from the Russians. Collected - a steam locomotive. Dismantled, assembled - a steam locomotive! What to do, they stole a Russian specialist. The specialist takes the drawing, looks, looks and says: "In the same place below in small print: after assembly, process with a file." lol
  18. Simon
    Simon 15 May 2018 20: 37
    0
    Quote: Ivan Tarava
    Just like not responsible women behave. Ugh, look disgusting.

    No need to watch, picking around, they’ll take ours anyway! tongue wink
  19. Doliva63
    Doliva63 15 May 2018 20: 38
    +7
    Until the Indians pay an advance and spend the night at the entrance of Rosoboronexport, you can ignore them laughing
    1. Charik
      Charik 15 May 2018 21: 49
      +1
      exactly the opposite, more likely the roe will spend the night in the desert and eat cow's cakes proving their friendship
  20. unignm
    unignm 15 May 2018 20: 39
    0
    “We could purchase aircraft ready for final assembly from Russia, and then complete the assembly at our facility in Nashik (a city in India,
    - approx. "IN"). The main goal is to assemble these aircraft quickly and cheaply.

    and then, like with a submarine, where the Indians tried to smell their batteries
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 May 2018 20: 41
    +1
    And the $ price on the foreign market changes with the ruble?
  22. unignm
    unignm 15 May 2018 20: 42
    0
    “In India, drew attention to the relatively low ruble exchange rate

    But aren't they selling weapons in dollars?
  23. Graz
    Graz 15 May 2018 20: 51
    0
    the Hindu does not understand that those who made a deal with the French in the Indian mo will receive
    (or) sickly kickbacks, the French almost always give bribes to Aboriginal officials where they are trying to push their products
  24. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 15 May 2018 22: 44
    0
    But isn’t it time for us to strike at ours, William Shakespeare. And send these rajas to their elephants and vimanas. What, we became their poor relatives, at half price to sell the most modern dryers?
  25. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 15 May 2018 23: 25
    0
    Well, long ago ... Raja take the Su-30, what kind of Raphael? )))
  26. XXXIII
    XXXIII 15 May 2018 23: 45
    +1
    The main goal is to assemble these aircraft quickly and cheaply.
    Fast planes will turn out ... am

  27. tank66
    tank66 16 May 2018 00: 14
    +1
    Here, Chinas, gathered tracing paper from a woodpecker to roll:
    "Beijing, May 2 / Xinhua / - Chinese engineers are developing a new aircraft, which is based on the structure of the skull of a woodpecker, which will reduce the effects of impact. This was reported on the website of the Chinese Research Institute of Missile Technology.
    When a woodpecker knocks a beak on a tree, its skull is subjected to severe impact, which, however, does not cause a concussion in the bird.
    The woodpecker's brain is protected by a very dense, strong skull with many holes, explained the technical project manager for the development of the new aircraft, Yin Jin.
    And the Indians need to paint SUSHKI under the peacock. They will buy it faster.
  28. Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 May 2018 02: 30
    0
    Mysterious people, these Hare Krishnas with Buddhists ..
  29. asv363
    asv363 16 May 2018 03: 51
    +2
    Quote: MPN
    Fast - quality - cheap ... Choose any two conditions ... wink

    How to tell you. Judging by the long experience of cooperation with India, it will not work out quickly, either on the first copies. Provided that the supervision will be over Russia. Over time, speed and quality will increase.
  30. Spambox
    Spambox 16 May 2018 08: 38
    0
    Quote: kapitan92
    Quote: NEXUS
    The course is low, so you can buy fighters at a very ridiculous price.

    And what does the ruble exchange rate and the price of a fighter have to do with it? There are contract prices for military-industrial complex products and no one will reduce them. One question is if our products will be finally assembled in India or have a certain option.
    Myanmar 6 SU 30 SME cost 300 million bucks, 50 lyam per unit. . hi

    Myanmar, our fighters cost in barter on rubber and some other garbage (
  31. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 May 2018 10: 27
    0
    A screech will begin in the ranks of the Indian Air Force. They have already received kickbacks from frogmen and Americans, but how can you work them out with such arithmetic?
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  33. misti1973
    misti1973 16 May 2018 16: 08
    0
    There was something wrong here. Last year and last year, the ruble exchange rate was even lower. However, there was no such sanction pressure. A private opinion may be voiced. We like to give someone’s private opinion as the state’s position.
  34. cradle
    cradle 7 June 2018 08: 09
    0
    In any incomprehensible situation, start dancing ...