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Let the old, but reactive! Argentina buys five used stormtroopers from France

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Argentina returns jet to its air force Aviation. The Argentine government has finalized a deal with France, in which it will purchase five attack aircraft Dassault Super Etendard, reports "Warspot" with reference to the portal janes.com


Under the agreement, France will transfer five used Dassault Super Etendard airplanes, eight engines to them, as well as “a large batch of spare parts and equipment”. The transaction value is estimated at € 12,55 million ($ 15 million).

Let the old, but reactive! Argentina buys five used stormtroopers from France

Dassault Super Etendard Attackers


Super Etendar will be used to recreate the potential of the Argentine Navy 2 Squadron. In 1981 – 2013, the unit had these planes in service, after which they were mothballed due to the lack of spare parts.

The Super Etendard was developed by the French company Dassault in the 70s based on the light attack aircraft Etendard IV and entered service with the French Navy in the 1978 year. In the 1986 year, its upgraded version of the Super-Etendard Modernise was developed, which was produced from 1993 to 1998 year. In total, during production, Dassault released 85 Super Etendard aircraft in various versions.

Earlier, the Argentine Defense Ministry was considering the purchase of Brazilian-made JAS 39 Gripen fighter jets, as well as Russian MiG-29 fighters. But due to the difficult financial situation in the country, all tenders for the supply of jet combat aircraft were canceled.

In the 70-ies of the Argentine Air Force were armed with some of the most modern aircraft of the time: Mirage III interceptors, IAI Dagger fighters (Israeli Mirage V version), A-4AR Fightinghawks attack aircraft, as well as military transport aircraft C-130 Hercules. However, over the next forty years, the Argentine military department no longer procured new jet aircraft, and the last of the A-4AR Fightinghawks attack aircraft in service were decommissioned at the end of last year.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 15 May 2018 17: 40
    +5
    Let the old, but reactive! Argentina buys five used stormtroopers from France

    And for what second-hand is not said!

    But seriously, South America, like eastern Europe, collects all the garbage.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 May 2018 17: 43
      +7
      In due time according to Sheffield worked quite
      1. A good one
        A good one 15 May 2018 17: 52
        +5
        While the British hold on to their stomachs with laughter, the Argentines pound them, albeit once, but all the same.
        1. impostor
          impostor 15 May 2018 18: 02
          +2
          Well, if only steaks and steaks for soup ...
        2. Safevi
          Safevi 15 May 2018 18: 28
          +2
          "As long as the British hold on to their stomachs, the Argentines will pile on them, albeit once, but still"
          Oh yeah, if they don’t fall on the road an hour ..
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 15 May 2018 17: 59
        +1
        Here is a good memory. And then again have to .....
        And the fact that the French missiles, alas, not all exploded, and half of the aircraft did not roll out of the hangar .... spray. IN 2016:
        In total, 19 (according to other sources, 21) Mirage IIIEA aircraft and 39 Israeli Dagger type aircraft (including 5 training ones) were delivered to Argentina, however, according to reports, only 12 were combat-ready out of them Mirages ”and 25“ Daggers ”. Worse, according to some sources (A. Kotlobovsky, “The Use of Mirage III and Dagger Aircraft”), no more than 8 Mirage IIIEA and only nineteen Daggers took part in the battles.
    2. impostor
      impostor 15 May 2018 18: 01
      +1
      Rooks for their tasks quite and completely, at low altitudes, if there is no counteraction to pocket air defense
    3. mvg
      mvg 15 May 2018 18: 12
      +6
      But in my opinion it’s very good. 3 lyama per aircraft + 8 engines and spare parts for restoration. For the money you can buy a half of the MiG-29. A big plus that they can serve and fly. There is a lot of experience. Great deal.
      1. MPN
        MPN 15 May 2018 18: 33
        +7
        Quote: mvg
        But in my opinion it’s very good.

        Well, there’s type of aviation, it means the country ... That's what weapons to find yet, otherwise half of the bombs on the Falklands didn’t explode, it’s most likely to hang up anti-ship missiles, although they are carriers under the old ones ... In general, they bought cheaply (I think correctly) , so that would be ...
        1. mvg
          mvg 15 May 2018 19: 09
          +2
          Here is the RCC half of the MiG-29 to adapt, yes, the problem is, and Exozet will get up there be healthy. And no more. The thing is more in the spare parts that they will restore the remaining 5 (like) Etanders, otherwise they just did not fly because of the engines.
          It would be at the Argentos in the Falklands with half a section of the Exocetos, the Saxons would crawl away sloppy.
          PS: And there will be a continuation of the transaction for the purchase of used RCC wink
          1. MPN
            MPN 15 May 2018 19: 13
            +8
            Quote: mvg
            Exoset will get up there be healthy.

            They were the bearers of the Exosets ...
            Quote: mvg
            The thing is more in the spare parts that they will restore the remaining 5 (like) Etanders, otherwise they just did not fly because of the engines.

            Definitely and indisputably ...
            Quote: mvg
            It would be the Argentos in the Falklands with a half-section of Exosets

            There were less than a dozen ... and they used everything .... only they cherished them like gold for an aircraft carrier ....
            1. mvg
              mvg 15 May 2018 20: 06
              +5
              There were 5 Etendar and 6 Exocetos, the rest did not have time to put up an embargo. 4 hit the target. The result is a destroyer and transport with helicopters.

  2. brigadier
    brigadier 15 May 2018 17: 47
    +3
    Apparently there is no urgent need for modern weapons. Yes, and the populist presidents of recent decades have brought the country almost to the point. Very high prices with very low salaries do not say anything good about the country's economy.
    But the meat is on fire in Argentina ... it's a sign.
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 15 May 2018 18: 06
      0
      The meat is on fire, and even with a good drink, and in good company it is always a song !!! drinks good
      1. brigadier
        brigadier 16 May 2018 07: 07
        +1
        In Argentina, even in a mall on disposable tableware, beef steak is a song.
        And in a good restaurant with an Argentinean malbec and still in the company .... finally.
  3. Yak28
    Yak28 15 May 2018 17: 52
    +2
    And our loshars of Migi 23,27, Su15 and a number of planes were profiled, but it was possible to sell, and to modernize for ourselves
    1. mvg
      mvg 15 May 2018 18: 17
      +1
      Maybe they just take care of the pilotoff? They don’t want the Indians to fall on the MiG-27? And so, see the comment above, what for mess with unfamiliar technology? The French are clearly handling the equipment better. Not for nothing went to Europe for cars.
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 15 May 2018 18: 20
        0
        Ours on any aircraft are falling, they will also give odds to Indians, this is not an indicator.
        1. mvg
          mvg 15 May 2018 18: 32
          0
          No, still a pilot is a profession. This is a pro fly, not draftees. And serve ensigns (or under their supervision).
          But they fall often ... angry I agree. I don’t remember the disaster among the Chinese, who are the most “unreliable”, because the Chinese.
          https://ria.ru/spravka/20170429/1493390508.html
          1. Yak28
            Yak28 15 May 2018 18: 36
            +1
            The Chinese are not crazy to talk about their losses and failures to the whole world.
            1. mvg
              mvg 15 May 2018 20: 08
              0
              Well, there are independent newspapers and news too. Neither combat nor civilian aircraft have crashed in 3 years.
          2. Orkraider
            Orkraider 15 May 2018 20: 30
            0
            Quote: mvg
            I don’t remember the disaster among the Chinese, who are the most “unreliable”, because the Chinese.
            https://ria.ru/spravka/20170429/1493390508.html

            The Chinese segment is traditionally more closed, and secondly there are enough accidents:
            J-10:
            * On August 1, 2009, the Chinese Air Force J-10, piloted by Meng Fansheng, crashed due to a technical engine malfunction.
            * On November 15, 2014, the Chinese Air Force J-10S crashed in Sichuan, the plane crashed in a residential area and caught fire. 7 people were injured on the ground, both fighter pilots safely ejected.
            On September 19, 2015, the Chinese Air Force J-10 crashed during a night patrol.
            1. mvg
              mvg 15 May 2018 20: 33
              0
              On September 19, 2015, the Chinese Air Force J-10 crashed during a night patrol.

              I started from here
              https://ria.ru/spravka/20170607/1496030357.html
              See how many Russian.
              And yellow have 3 accidents in 6 years, and they fly, be healthy.
              1. Orkraider
                Orkraider 17 May 2018 21: 40
                0
                Quote: mvg
                On September 19, 2015, the Chinese Air Force J-10 crashed during a night patrol.

                I started from here
                https://ria.ru/spravka/20170607/1496030357.html
                See how many Russian.
                And yellow have 3 accidents in 6 years, and they fly, be healthy.


                Sorry, but I don’t believe RIA, and not because they are lying, but because they simply may not have information yes
                Personally, I prefer to proceed from common sense and logic.
                Let's discuss and think it over together, ok?
                So, the Chengdu J-7 plane.
                In China, it was produced until 2017, now there are about 700 cars in combat shelves. As you know, this is a copy of the Mig-21, and if we consider the latest versions of E and G, which have been in operation for 28 and 14 years, respectively, then there are about 320 cars in active operation .. For comparison, in Bulgaria, for 38 years of operation, from 1962 to 2000, 38 MiG-21s out of 187 received were lost in plane crashes. At the same time, the pilots of the Bulgarian Air Force underwent training in the Soviets (and the training was very good in the USSR) and had access to technical maps and engineers of the USSR. China lost access in connection with well-known events, and from the 80s began to set up Western avionics, etc.

                Do you believe that there were no crashes of this aircraft in China? There is no freely available information, China has not lost these machines. Is it strange really? But the car is rather capricious, it is worth looking at the analysis of the losses of the USSR and the countries in which they were supplied. Even on Wikis (Bulgaria, India, etc.).
                And here it is generalized.
                http://avialp.info/mig-21.html

                [media = http: //avialp.info/mig-21.html]


                In general, my opinion is that their accident rate is not low, but there is no publicity or free internet. laughing lol
                1. mvg
                  mvg 17 May 2018 22: 30
                  0
                  hi How would I work as a supplier of computer equipment (director of a company), I had a friend (supplier), flew constantly (China, Taiwan, Hong Kong), these yellow ones (Power Color, even flew to St. Petersburg to us, filmed the Baltic), so here, according to a friend, there were no restrictions on the press, but he knew the language well and walked around Shanghai normally .. He did not see any oppression of the people and the press, everything was civilized.
                  PS: An example - we had 18 destroyers, pr. 956, now all the corpses, the Chinese have 4, everything is in order.
                  They had an Internet better than ours. And the phones appeared earlier and the technique is different.
                  1. Orkraider
                    Orkraider 18 May 2018 10: 33
                    +1
                    hi The truth is covered in darkness or fog))
                    I agree, about the attitude to the existing, the zealous owner is always held in high esteem. About Sarychi sad of course, I hope at least the remaining 3 pieces will be saved ..

                    With access to the Internet in Taiwan and Gok-Kong - yes, it is, but China even now has filters and restrictions on access to a foreign site, and if I remember correctly, only in 96 or 98 in China it became possible to provide access via telephone lines.

                    It is pleasant to discuss with a well-educated and educated person. Have a nice day.
                    drinks
        2. NN52
          NN52 15 May 2018 22: 18
          +2
          Yak28
          Grandpa ... What are you talking about about our pilots ...? and any planes?
          Go to sleep. And there is nothing to go crazy here.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 May 2018 21: 32
      +3
      Quote: Yak28
      And our loshars of Migi 23,27, Su15 and a number of planes profiled, but it was possible to sell

      We are loshars, and they squeezed their own for any
  4. Simon
    Simon 15 May 2018 17: 52
    +2
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    Let the old, but reactive! Argentina buys five used stormtroopers from France

    And for what second-hand is not said!

    But seriously, South America, like eastern Europe, collects all the garbage.

    And they have no money for more! request
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 15 May 2018 18: 04
    0
    Such a charge is accused with the Maldives not to dislodge
    1. NKT
      NKT 15 May 2018 18: 32
      +6
      In the Maldives - Poroshenko with Parubiy, and the British in the Malvinas))
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 15 May 2018 22: 19
      0
      Even in those years they didn’t dump ...
  6. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 15 May 2018 18: 05
    0
    "Formans" needed to be ordered wassat cheaper would have come out! Or buy a hundred motor trips! wassat
  7. san4es
    san4es 15 May 2018 18: 10
    +3
    hi The Dassault-Breguet Super Étendard is a French aircraft carrier attack fighter developed by Dassault-Breguet to serve the French Navy. Aircraft is the advanced development of Étendard IWM. Super Étendard first flew in October 1974 and entered French service in June 1978. French super-Etendars have been involved in several conflicts, such as the war in Kosovo, the war in Afghanistan, and military intervention in Libya.

    The Super Étendard was also operated by Iraq and Argentina, which both deployed aircraft during the war. The Super Etendard was used by Iraq to attack oil tankers and merchant ships in the Persian Gulf during the Iraq-Iran war. The use of Argentina's Super Étendard rocket and Exocet rocket during the 1982 Falkland War led to the widespread recognition of the aircraft. In the French service, Super Étendard was replaced by Dassault Rafale in 2016.
  8. demiurg
    demiurg 15 May 2018 18: 15
    0
    Argentina does not have the means to squeeze out the lost territory, it is now unable to fight. And for parades and training pilots and Etandars will come down.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 15 May 2018 18: 47
    +2
    Here our managers from the defense industry laughed. Could provide a loan or take the same raw materials, Argentina exports oil, gold, beef. I think if you wanted, you could exchange a couple of MiGs by barter.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 May 2018 19: 27
      +3
      What are MiGs?

      Why do Argentines need them even for nothing?

      1) They have experience with this type of aircraft and zero experience with Soviet / Russian equipment (with the exception of Mi-8).
      2) They need a tenacious, very resourceful board. They don’t have enough money to service RD-33 and pour kerosene into it too.
      3) Efficiency. MiG - can drag Exocets? Only X-35 and only hi-tech versions at the price of the entire Argentinean Air Force budget apiece? And this one can. And there are already exo-sets to it in stock. The best performance in air battles - do not make sense. They simply do not have money for even a minimally stable connection - therefore, in an air war, only tactics of single strikes.

      Question MiGs - raised for a long time, and no further than the price list. When the president was Kirchner - who did a lot to get closer to Russia (although with her interest - preferential loans and preferences in trade). Now there is another president - Mauricio Macri. He is for the EU and in stiff opposition to Kirchner. And now, as if playing a camomile for example - Ride or not at the World Cup-2018. Previously, he would be of no interest to anyone. But now - when the World Cup is boycotted by Western politicians, he has got the opportunity to trade himself.

      In any case, the military under Kirchner were against the MiGs within the existing budgets. And she was not able to politically push the deal. Now the odds are just 0.
    2. YELLOWSTONE
      YELLOWSTONE 16 May 2018 02: 58
      0
      there was no direct ban on selling to Argentines, yes if they had a Su-27, then Britain would have to urgently rent an F-22 or their presence in this area would have come kirdyk, so they did not sell anything at all so as not to offend their partners.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 May 2018 23: 39
        0
        Quote: YELLOWSTONE
        if they had a su-27

        Which Su-27 in 1982?
        1. YELLOWSTONE
          YELLOWSTONE 17 May 2018 00: 06
          0
          Quote: YELLOWSTONE
          I would have to urgently rent a F-22

          Which F-22 in 1982? winked
          that year even the MiG-23 and even better the Su-22 would have helped laughing with the same base as Pukar
  10. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 15 May 2018 19: 26
    0
    Let them let them buy, and when faced with an enemy, France will cease to supply ammunition and spare parts for them, as it was with exosets. They like to step on the same rake 2 times, let them buy
  11. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 15 May 2018 20: 07
    0
    We sold them trolleybuses, we could take planes in addition.
  12. shirkoled
    shirkoled 15 May 2018 20: 58
    0
    Well! Everyone lives on opportunities !!!
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 May 2018 22: 17
    0
    They would play their Pukars to the level of modern Tucano and stop them!
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 May 2018 22: 18
    0
    There was information about the possible sale of used Su-24M ...
  15. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 15 May 2018 23: 23
    +1
    Argentina at times in the 20th century in terms of PPP GDP (calculated per citizen) surpassed Italy, Australia and Canada.
    But then something didn’t work out for them, obviously the United States didn’t do without it ...
    Argentina would have to help with something ... The Union of South American Nations was just created as a counterweight to the United States and as a defense against their pressure ... They would have to raise their heads a little, I think they would become regular customers for our military-industrial complex ...
    1. brigadier
      brigadier 16 May 2018 07: 14
      +1
      In the thirties, Argentina was the fifth economy in the world.
      They could now, but are lazy. And the United States has nothing to do with it. They will always find someone to blame, but not themselves.
      Like in Portugal .... the Salazar regime is still blamed for the economic backwardness ... 50 almost years have passed.
  16. Hiller
    Hiller 16 May 2018 21: 45
    0
    Well .... for the lack of a young cook .. the old cook is also suitable ..