North Korea is angry US

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After North Korean General Ni Yong Ho announced a couple of weeks ago that Pyongyang had weapons systems that could wipe the United States off the face of the Earth, the Americans decided not to remain in debt and respond in kind. The Washington Times reported that the Pentagon has decided to move to an active phase of developing a military operation against Iran and North Korea. These two countries are listed together by the US military department, although the Iranian problem has died down somewhat recently – at least outwardly. Only time will tell whether this can be considered the calm before the storm or a victory for common sense. But one thing is certain: before the US presidential elections, candidates and their supporters will lash out at the “axis of evil” with more and more withering criticism, but the situation is unlikely to reach real combat in the coming months.

24 April. Pyongyang, North Korea. Kim Jong-un, Supreme Commander of the Korean Peoples Army and “great heir” Kim Jong-il on a huge screen during a concert of the Unhasu (Milky Way) symphony orchestra in honor of the 80 anniversary of the country's armed forces. The orchestra and choir performed patriotic songs praising Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.




And we must give credit to the "axis of evil" itself. As soon as Tehran calms down a bit, Pyongyang immediately picks up the baton. A Failed Launch missiles with a satellite on board, apparently only added to the enthusiasm of the DPRK authorities. Literally daily there are reports that Pyongyang is ready to launch a military strike on its southern neighbor, as well as conduct new tests of its nuclear weapons.

Against this background, the Americans have to keep the brand and respond that the military operation may well spread to North Korea. At the same time, as the Washington Times’s tactics and strategy of warfare on the part of the American troops, may differ significantly from what was in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now the American troops, if they enter into a military conflict, for example, with the DPRK, the war will be fought rather under the Libyan scenario. One difference is that instead of Islamic militants who, by definition, have nothing to do in North Korea, South Korean forces will be used. And the South Koreans, after the words of the generals of the DPRK about a possible attack on Seoul, cannot be eager to test their forces, backed up by American air strikes, in action.

But we must not forget that a hypothetical war between the United States and the DPRK a priori cannot be similar to what it was before. Despite all the irony expressed by Western experts on North Korean nuclear weapons, the DPRK has it (nuclear weapons). And not only there, but also tested a couple of times. And the same Kim Jong Un, whom a couple of months ago saw as a pliable semi-politician capable of selling a country to the West for genetically modified food, in the case of a big “warliness” may well give the order to use its missiles with nuclear warheads against US or South Korean troops .

But the American mentality is such that even a clearly hypothetical threat in the form of a nuclear North Korean response can make the United States hold back its spirited horses. Well, the Americans are not used to openly fighting an enemy that can at least theoretically respond to them seriously. And by and large, North Korea is not a very attractive territory for the United States to implement its plans: there is no oil or gas here (at least, the reserves have not been explored), but there are nuclear warheads that at the X moment can fall anywhere: from Tokyo or Seoul to the Hawaiian Islands, or even California... There are too many risks and inexpediencies for the Americans in such a war. And it is a stretch to call citizens of the star-spangled country risk-takers.

By the way, it is worth paying attention to an interesting pattern: as soon as a military representative of a state begins to talk about some weapon at the country's disposal, which poses a serious threat to the enemy, a slight panic begins in the United States. It is worth recalling that the words of General Makarov about some new military developments of Russian specialists raised a reactionary wave in the United States, aiming the White House even at some rapprochement on European missile defense issues. Now here the North Korean generals went the same way. Why? Maybe this is actually an effective method of communication with the United States. Well, if cooperation cannot be achieved in other ways, then it turns out that it is necessary to use workarounds ... Since we cannot wait for the North Koreans to wait for the West (and whether we need such “respect”), then at least good old fear the United States plays the first violin in political contacts ...
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  1. rinzhak
    +6
    6 May 2012 08: 45
    North Korea will be next after Iran ...
    1. Aleksey67
      +14
      6 May 2012 10: 18
      Quote: rinzhak
      North Korea will be next after Iran ...


      If Iran and S. Korea concluded an agreement on friendship and joint action in the event of aggression, then the amers would definitely defend .. attack smile
      1. snek
        +21
        6 May 2012 10: 41
        Quote: rinzhak
        North Korea will be next after Iran ...

        There is no oil, so the great-grandson of the sun can sleep peacefully
        1. rinzhak
          +3
          6 May 2012 10: 50
          Yes, it’s not just about oil. Hydrocarbon wars have already passed ...
          The States are trying to unleash the fourth world war (even though I don't name it according to classical historical chronology) not for the sake of the war itself, but in order to proclaim a New World Order afterwards. The old world, the world of the post-Yalta conference, has exhausted itself. There were attempts to change something on September 11, but Russia does not want to accept the challenge... I am convinced of one thing: the existing problem of civilization cannot be solved in peaceful conditions. Therefore, I do not criticize the States for their militarism.
          1. Aleksey67
            +10
            6 May 2012 10: 56
            Quote: rinzhak
            Yes, it’s not just about oil. Hydrocarbon wars have already passed ...


            Well, yes, Iraq, Libya have passed, but what to call the "maturing" in Iran? Or do you seriously think that it is not "resourceful" but "democratic"? winked
            1. rinzhak
              +1
              6 May 2012 11: 13
              Quote: Aleksey67
              Well, yes, Iraq, Libya have passed, but what to call the "maturing" in Iran? Or do you seriously think that it is not "resourceful" but "democratic"?

              you pose an interesting question: what is war, and for what are wars going on, well, at least wars of the XNUMXth century ...
              Oil itself does not have to be seized by military means; there are more effective economic levers for this. Who can compete with the United States in oil production and refining technologies? who can ask for a challenge to the technological dominance of BP, Texaco, Halliburton, etc.? I know you are going to talk to me about "China towering over the world economy" - China is a US project, it is just one big construction site and nothing else. China has never been and never will be a player in the Big Game. There are no historical prerequisites for this. All geopolitics is focused on the West, namely the United States. Although Russia also has a very good inheritance in order to declare itself, if not an empire, then a superpower. But not China.
              1. Aleksey67
                +11
                6 May 2012 11: 26
                Quote: rinzhak
                Oil itself does not have to be captured by military means; there are more effective economic levers for this. Who can compete with the States in oil production and refining technologies?


                When you can buy a ruler and pursue its policy The United States does it, it is much more "economically profitable" than military action, but how do you imagine the "purchase" of Saddam and Gaddafi? Don't even make me laugh about production technologies, remember the accident in the Gulf of Mexico, and the "scam" with shale gas ... so it's time to forget the myth about the "technological power of the United States", production, and therefore technology, has long moved to Asia, closer to " cheap labor resources ".
                1. rinzhak
                  +4
                  6 May 2012 11: 38
                  Quote: Aleksey67
                  but how do you imagine the "purchase" of Saddam and Gaddafi?

                  the example is not successful, these persons had very close contacts with the CIA ....
                  1. admiral
                    +15
                    6 May 2012 11: 52
                    If the United States had true economic power, there would not be so many debts! Some kind of puffed power ... They have a single resource - a green candy wrapper. And in the event of war, the North Koreans will simply cross the border and occupy their southern counterparts. They have an army, and on the south they have it. Whom will the Amers then bomb ??? And with his pistonous mercenaries nothing shines in a real battle, this is not a movie to hollywood.
                    1. schonia06rus
                      -10
                      6 May 2012 15: 49
                      hahaha the debts of the Americans are an interesting thing! He comes to a Russian and says "Ivan, buy my government bonds with oil money" Vanya doesn't understand that they are trying to rip him off "you will sniff mine, not the stabilization fund for you" "oh oh yay yay Vanya, that's not right, you are offending the proud Chechens badly" and voila, money from the Russian treasury flows into the American one! He comes to the Chinese "buy government bonds" the Chinese "foist them on someone else" "if you don't buy them from us, wear your own down jackets" the Chinese gets mad but takes it! and so it is with everyone.
                      PS do not consider me an idiot just tried to explain so that the children understand
                  2. nitro
                    -8
                    6 May 2012 12: 02
                    Fairy tales on the arena again... Who is it that the US needs to "keep up appearances" in front of? Does the author of the article even understand what he is writing? Or is propaganda, as always, turning everything upside down? Today, NOT A SINGLE country in the world is capable of "seriously responding" to the US! Even your notorious China. I will repeat once again - not a single country can even begin to try to compete with the US in the military sphere! This is an axiom. Further: my tummy already hurts laughing about the mythical "fear" of Americans of anything! Friends, come on! Most Americans do NOT even KNOW about such "threats" and do not want to know! The American people are concerned about THEIR OWN issues and problems, and the topic of pets is MUCH more important to the average American than Russia and the DPRK combined! Don't raise the DPRK's price. Most likely there will be no war: a new Korean king has come who simply needs to assert himself in this way in the eyes of hungry Koreans, he has nothing else to brag about - that's why all this excitement is happening. The US will cut off the flow of humanitarian aid, that is, free food for the most independent Korean regime, and in half a year they themselves will come crawling on their knees for grub. That's where it will all end. All hope of the "warlike Korean miracle marshals" is on the human compassion of American housewives, who, out of feelings of humanism, will simply not allow ordinary working Koreans to die of hunger! Everything is much more prosaic than what the propaganda "sings songs" to you. good
                    1. Aleksey67
                      +14
                      6 May 2012 12: 10
                      Quote: nitro
                      Today, NO ONE country in the world is capable of "seriously answering" the United States!

                      Russia is able to wipe the United States off the face of the earth, though after this the planet will become uninhabited smile
                      Quote: nitro
                      Most Americans DO NOT even KNOW about such "threats" and do not want to know!

                      Americans do not study geography at school. There are jokes about the ignorance and "illiteracy" of amers, and Bush Jr. confirmed their truth smile
                      Quote: nitro
                      The American people care about OWN OWN questions and problems, and the topic of domestic animals for the average American is MUCH more important than Russia and the DPRK combined!

                      Oh, my heart feels that every day they will have to think about their problems more and more winked
                      Quote: nitro
                      . The United States will block the flow of humanitarian aid, that is, free food for the most independent Korean regime, and after half a year, they themselves will crawl on their knees for food

                      They will march to South Korea faster, and some will go in tanks, only to prevent such "excursions" South Korea and the United States are "bought off" with food laughing
              2. Kir
                0
                8 May 2012 00: 03
                China has never been and never will be a player in the Big Game. There are no historical prerequisites for this.
                Excuse my expression, but you, sir, know history very poorly! At one time, the interstate language of that region was precisely Chinese, not to mention that the first printed book in the world was printed in China, it should also be added that the use of iron tools and weapons was established there several hundred years before the birth of Christ, and what we now consider Japanese bonsai, netsuke-netsuke, etc. originated in China, not to mention ideology, the same Buddhism came to Japan from the continent! As for Korea, the state, as a single one, was formed quite late somewhere around the 15th century, if memory serves, and was formed from 3 "kingdoms" of Power, Pekche (doesn't hint at anything, huh?) and one more, and as for military affairs, the same samurai code Bushido, according to some sources, was borrowed from the Khvorans, and the Japanese themselves owe their location to the Koreans, those of them survived there from the current Korean peninsula in the 1st BC-1st century AD, since the first were only farmers, and then more than once from the 12th-13th centuries they contributed to the "Manchurian" landing on the islands!
                1. Kir
                  0
                  8 May 2012 00: 29
                  my answer refers to the sentence about China expressed by rinzhak
              3. Kir
                0
                8 May 2012 00: 21
                China has never been and never will be a player in the Big Game. There are no historical prerequisites for this.
                Sorry for the expression, shitty You dear know the story! At one time, the interstate language of that region was precisely Chinese, not to mention that the first printed book in the world was printed in China, it should also be added that the use of iron tools and weapons was established there several hundred years before .X, and even what we now consider to be Japanese bonsai, netsuke-netsuke, etc. originated in China itself, not to mention ideology, the same Buddhism came to Japan from the continent! And as for Korea, that state, as a single one, took shape quite late somewhere around the 15th century, if memory serves, and was formed from 3 "kingdoms" of Power, Pekche (does not hint at anything, Huh?) And one more , and as for military affairs, the same code of the Bushi Do samurai, according to some sources, was borrowed from the Hvoran, and the Japanese themselves owe their residence to the Koreans, they survived there from the present Korean peninsula in the 1st BC-1c. AD, because the first were just farmers, and then more than once from the 12-13th century. contributed to the "Manjur" landing on the islands!
          2. schonia06rus
            -7
            6 May 2012 15: 37
            I completely agree, international organizations such as the UN do not work, we need a new treaty on world order, and the world is signed after the war
          3. patriot64
            +3
            6 May 2012 23: 14
            External force can only be opposed to power! No arguments and persuasion can be applied to politicians and generals from America. But nuclear weapons are a powerful argument! Amer, being the actual occupiers of North America, are eager to occupy the whole world! will not receive from any Asian country!
          4. Mr. Truth
            0
            7 May 2012 23: 59
            Quote: rinzhak
            to proclaim the New World Order after

            NMP is already there, and its laws are imposed on everyone who would not consider that he is free, he is mistaken.
            The USA is a tool to maintain order. They are slaves themselves.
      2. chukapabra
        -4
        6 May 2012 12: 41
        Quote: Aleksey67
        If Iran and S. Korea concluded an agreement on friendship and joint action in the event of aggression, then the amers would definitely defend .. attack

        For example, what joint actions?
        1. Aleksey67
          +5
          6 May 2012 12: 45
          Quote: chukapabra
          For example, what joint actions?

          There are Amer’s military bases both in B. Vostok and in Japan and South Korea, in the event of an attack on one of the countries, the other strikes at nearby bases and objects. This is an example, but the United States would be very puzzled wink

          I looked at the flag and realized that you would definitely not like such a union wassat
          1. chukapabra
            -2
            6 May 2012 15: 24
            Quote: Aleksey67
            This is an example, but the United States would be very puzzled

            Yes, I’m on the drum of their union, it was just curious what an example exaggerated generals like you would give, I was not mistaken, further than such nonsense
            Quote: Aleksey67
            in the event of an attack on one of the countries, the other strikes at nearby bases and targets.

            They didn't have enough intelligence. Where is the minimum development of military capabilities, common political goals, the distance between countries, and just the question of why some should sign for others? In general, understanding, even if they pinch the Americans. As a result, they will run into such a pi....well <, that they will long and sadly remember what their names are. But the general staff of the site, in rapture with their general's stripes, shoulder straps and cockades (earned in virtual battles with the Americans, Democrats and gays), are ready to support any nonsense expressed by the stripe-bearer (even if it will be virtual reasoning about how to collapse the economy of the States, Europe and Antarctica with the help of the penguins of Madagascar. The site is increasingly turning into a gathering of amateurs who have seen a machine gun only in a military training lesson. For many, the desire to get the coveted star prevails over elementary logic and common sense.
            Militant Medveputes (more precisely from today Putomedy) are ready to nibble anyone casting even the slightest shadow on the great KaA, staring like a banderlog at his hypnotic look and afraid to move. They do not recognize open facts lying on the surface.
            It seems that EDRO is simply keeping its landlords here, that God forbid someone would not say something, something extra and not corresponding to the general GDP line.
            The administration of Saity has long forgotten why it was created at all. People are banned just because of a different flag without any connection with the subject. A wretched sight.

            Colonel General can sleep peacefully , your next proposal to destroy NATO by throwing them with Ecuadorian bananas will find numerous support from a particularly advanced part of the site, led by generals and marshals
            1. Aleksey67
              +5
              6 May 2012 15: 59
              Quote: chukapabra
              Lack of intelligence.

              There is enough mind, but it’s a pity to waste time on the study of the military operations of S. Korea and Iran against the aggressor smile
              Quote: chukapabra
              Where is the minimal study of military capabilities, joint political goals, the distance between countries, and it’s just a question of why some should sign; for others?

              This draws not to comment, but to article at least 20 sheets. I don’t think it would be interesting for anyone to read such analytics about a non-existent union of countries. laughing
              Quote: chukapabra
              But the general staff of the site, in raptures over their general's stripes, shoulder straps and cockades (earned in virtual battles with the Americans, Democrats and gays), are ready to support any nonsense expressed by the stripe-bearer (even if it is virtual reasoning about how to use the penguins of Madagascar to bring down the economy of the States, Europe and Antarctica). The site is increasingly turning into a gathering of amateurs who have seen a machine gun only in a military training lesson. For many, the desire to get the coveted star prevails over elementary logic and common sense.

              I think you have a complex about this, I don't need this "virtual title" at all. I graduated from a military university in 1988, served in the Soviet Army, then in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, was on missions to Chechnya 3 times for 2 months, had to take part in combat operations, however, why should I grovel before you? winked
              Quote: chukapabra
              It seems that EDRO is simply keeping its landlords here, that God forbid someone would not say something, something extra and not corresponding to the general GDP line.

              Standard vyser in the memorial of the State Department? If there are no facts, then there must necessarily be reproaches for Putinism, PZHIV and prosralivsepolymers wassat
              Quote: chukapabra
              you can sleep peacefully, your next proposal to destroy NATO

              Thank you, I sleep peacefully, conscience allows smile NATO itself, it seems to me to fall apart with the bankruptcy of the United States and the collapse of the EU, they took too much on their shoulders, not on horseback smile
              1. chukapabra
                -5
                6 May 2012 16: 34
                Quote: Aleksey67
                Crazy enough

                Well, at least once
                Quote: Aleksey67
                about wasting time on the study of the military operations of S. Korea and Iran against the aggressor, as it is a pity

                Who would doubt it, you're on a dahlia cultivation site in the country, why bother, it's easier to blurt out the nonsense, people shawl.
                Quote: Aleksey67
                I think you are complex about this, I do not need this "virtual title" at all. I graduated from a military university in 1988, served in the SA, then in the Ministry of Internal Affairs,

                The level of theoretical thought of a graduate of the VVU is striking; indeed, stools are right, having closed half of the schools.
                Quote: Aleksey67
                was 3 times for 2 months. on business trips to Chechnya

                This can add respect on the part of friends and the state, but does not characterize the abnormal abilities and intelligence.

                Quote: Aleksey67
                If there are no facts, then there must be reproaches for Putinism

                Facts? All this is visible if you look sometimes at the window, and not just at the TV. The fact is your eaten inside.

                Quote: Aleksey67
                NATO itself, it seems to me, will fall apart with the bankruptcy of the USA and the collapse of the EU

                The level of analysis corresponds to the average level of education in a technical school in the Kryzhopol region, a paid economics or law department.
                You, the highest -military, shame on the jungle, dear Tabaki. (If you know who it is)
                1. Aleksey67
                  +4
                  6 May 2012 16: 46
                  Quote: chukapabra
                  Well, at least once


                  Argue with
                  Chupacabra (Spanish: chupacabras, chupar - suck and cabra - goat, literally - “sucking goats”, “goat vampire”) - a mythical creature, a character of urban legend. According to legend, chupacabra kills animals (mainly goats) and sucks their blood.

                  There is no reliable information about the existence of the chupacabra, however, the media periodically distributes eyewitness accounts who allegedly saw the chupacabra coming from different regions. Often for "chupacabra" take animals (foxes, coyotes, jackals), modified as a result of mutations or diseases

                  I consider it beneath my dignity, the passage about "look out the window sometimes" is generally below the baseboard, I live in Russia and see how the prosperity of my neighbors is growing, they change their cars for new ones, they dress nicely, and you "goat-sucker" from Israel are trying to teach me something. The role of Tabaki (you even managed to stick the adjective respected to this character) suits you better, only your Shirkhan will soon die, so I wish you success in finding a new owner smile
                  I stop communicating with you, "defecate" without me lol
                  1. chukapabra
                    -6
                    6 May 2012 17: 27
                    Quote: Aleksey67
                    I consider it beneath my dignity, the passage about "look out the window at least sometimes" is generally below the plinth, I live in Russia and see how the well-being of my neighbors is growing, cars are changed for new ones, it's nice to look at the dress, and you are a "goat" from Israel to teach me something trying.

                    Arguments appropriate to the military specialist, with a higher military education? When there are no arguments, but there is nothing to remember about the existence of dignity.
                    Sherkhan - this is your GDP, a sneaky tobacco, or your military education, analytical mindset and the presence of one crinkle under the cap was not enough to understand this. Like the differences between chewcapabroy and choopackabroy.
                    Well, what can you do? After all, you didn’t learn to pay attention to trivial matters.
                    Alexey 67, almost 69 with all that it implies ..... wassat
                    1. Cadet787
                      0
                      6 May 2012 22: 11
                      You greatly exalted your mental abilities, knowing only one tale about Mowgli, this is megalomania, i.e. schizophrenia. Well, and when you smell fried, will you have to flee to your non-historical homeland? Do not spit in the well. Sincerely.
                    2. Odinplys
                      +2
                      7 May 2012 05: 01
                      Like the differences between chukapabra and chupacabra.

                      Literal translation ... Sucking goats ...
                      I wanted a chupa - henceforth to call a chups ... and you turn out to be ... an animal ... sucking goats ...
                      A sucker means there will be your new nickname ...
                      I read your comments ... And where are your facts ... arguments ... or what else do you demand from others ...
                      The ability to puzzle your opponent with questions without answering the ones asked...tells me that you are clearly a sap...soaked in Zionist poison...and hatred of Russia...
            2. Yarbay
              +3
              6 May 2012 16: 07
              * The site administration has long forgotten why it was created at all *.
              what for??????
              1. Cadet787
                +2
                6 May 2012 22: 27
                Good evening Alibek, I support you, it is time for the administration and the authority to apply.
                1. Yarbay
                  0
                  7 May 2012 11: 36
                  Good afternoon George !!
                  I'm a little about something else !!
                  here the citizen of chukapabra wrote ** The site administration has long forgotten why it was created at all. People are banned just because of a different flag without any connection with the topic. **
                  I was wondering why this site was created ??
                  Was a chupacabra citizen at the origins of the site ??
                  and maybe a citizen of chupacabra means that the site was created with the money of the State Department ??
                  what goals were originally set?)))
            3. gor
              gor
              0
              7 May 2012 09: 10
              Chukapabra is hard to disagree with you if you wish. But you can understand them. The lamps are virtual and they live in such a world)))))))))))))))))))) that is modeled and have nothing to do with reality)))))))))))))))))))))))
              but I like how selflessly and sacrificing themselves they defend their nonsense. you can believe in anything, but realities are realities. so I understand they are either science fiction or fantasies ....... something))))) ))))))))))))))))
            4. -3
              8 May 2012 04: 36
              and what the hell are you getting here with your sayings. Being called normal is not fate. Chupachups some.
    2. +6
      6 May 2012 12: 00
      it won't, for some reason China wasn't mentioned here, it's like a roof for the DPRK
      1. Igorboss16
        -6
        6 May 2012 13: 15
        I think this general has simply driven the Americans below the baseboard, and this could already serve as a reason for conflict
    3. 0
      6 May 2012 13: 37
      Quote: rinzhak
      North Korea will be next after Iran ...

      It is also worth remembering that S Korea is behaving this way because it knows China is behind it! And all the alleged attacks on the nuclear programs of Iran and S Korea could be attempts to weaken the main competitor of the USA, and not the fight against the proliferation of nuclear weapons. As the Americans like to present themselves!
    4. Opertak
      -2
      6 May 2012 14: 46
      Quote: rinzhak
      North Korea will be next after Iran.
      - unreal. DPRK America is definitely too tough. Hammer Americans like a mammoth.
      In general, there is a strong opinion among serious experts that in the event of US aggression against the DPRK, China will strike America, it is quite possible that with nuclear weapons. The most interesting thing is that China does not plan to use nuclear weapons to protect its interests. It should be noted that in such a situation, Russia could strike at the USA in support of the military efforts of the DPRK and China.
      Judging not by media delusions, but by analysts, for example from Stratfor, the head of the DPRK over the past 30 years has consistently been among the five most influential leaders in the world. It might not have been the prime minister of England, the president of France, or the chancellor of Germany, and the head of the DPRK has always been in it.
      1. rinzhak
        +3
        6 May 2012 15: 01
        Quote: OperTak
        Judging not by media delusions, but by analysts, for example from Stratfor,about the head of the DPRK over the past 30 years, is constantly among the five most influential leaders in the world.

        Is it anyone, a son or a late father?

        Quote: OperTak
        - unreal. DPRK America is definitely too tough. Hammer Americans like a mammoth.

        Do you yourself believe that? North Korea will score America laughing
        1. Opertak
          -1
          6 May 2012 15: 26
          Quote: rinzhak
          Is it anyone, a son or a late father?

          First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Labor Party of Korea. I am sure that the son and grandson will show himself no worse than his father and grandfather.

          Quote: rinzhak
          Do you yourself believe that? North Korea will score America

          I am 100% sure. In 1979, few believed that little Vietnam would be beaten by big China :)) Moreover, I note: Vietnam practically did not use its regular army! Partisans and the militia beat the Chinese.
          1. rinzhak
            0
            6 May 2012 15: 33
            Quote: OperTak
            I am 100% sure. In 1979, few believed that little Vietnam would be beaten by big China :)) Moreover, I note: Vietnam practically did not use its regular army! Partisans and the militia beat the Chinese.

            Well, about the fact that little Vietnam defeated big China, you exaggerated it of course.
            1. Opertak
              -1
              6 May 2012 15: 57
              Quote: rinzhak
              Well, about the fact that little Vietnam defeated big China, you exaggerated it of course.
              - what ?! The facts in the studio, as they say :))
              1. rinzhak
                +1
                6 May 2012 16: 10
                Quote: OperTak
                - what ?! The facts in the studio, as they say :))

                I won’t be able to post the video and audio recordings of veterans of that war, since I don’t have them. But there is an opportunity to reason (in the end, everyone here talks rhetorically, rather than playing a poker game with archival documents) so when you write that Vietnam defeated the Chinese Army, then continuing the intonation of your words Pyongyang should have capitulated, but there was no surrender ...
                If Vietnam defeated the Chinese army, and as is customary in the practice of war, defeating the enemy in defense, the forces go on the offensive. Then at least he should have seized Chinese territory and returned it after oh, as conditions unfavorable for Pyongyang. And the terms of bargaining for the defeated party are found even in Vietnam. And again, there are no such facts in history.
                In the end, the defeated army of China in the number of survivors or prisoners should not be commensurate with the forces of the Vietnamese army, but the losses on both sides are the same. So you exaggerate about unconditionally No.
                1. Opertak
                  -1
                  6 May 2012 18: 56
                  Quote: rinzhak
                  But there is an opportunity to reason

                  Why crush water in a mortar? There are the results of the war, they are disastrous for the PLA, that's all the reasoning :)) Recognition of this was the reforms in it that were carried out after this shameful defeat. The vast majority of the PLA command staff was repressed.

                  Quote: rinzhak
                  oh how not beneficial for Pyongyang
                  Capitals in the fuse are not confused? :))

                  Quote: rinzhak
                  losses on both sides are the same.
                  - Compare the composition of the parties and you will understand everything yourself. I emphasize once again: the regular army of Vietnam practically did not participate in the battles.

                  The United States is afraid of the DPRK - this is a generally recognized fact in the expert community and there is nothing to discuss here. That is why they periodically pay indemnities to the DPRK, although they did not lose the war to it. They disguise it as "humanitarian aid" so that it would not be so humiliating for the United States, but everyone understands perfectly well that this is the American fear of it.
                  1. rinzhak
                    +1
                    6 May 2012 19: 39
                    Quote: OperTak
                    Capitals in the fuse are not confused? :))

                    confused, sorry
                    - Beijing (accept the amendment)
                2. 0
                  6 May 2012 19: 29
                  Quote: rinzhak
                  In the end, the defeated army of China in the number of survivors or prisoners should not be commensurate with the forces of the Vietnamese army, but the losses on both sides are the same. So you exaggerate about the unconditional
                  -
                  You, of course, are a fellow countryman, but the truth, alas, is more expensive smile The Chinese got it in the neck in that war with the Vietnamese, and they remembered it for a long time. The Vietnamese were also quite numerous in numbers, and at that time the Vietnamese, seasoned in battles with one of the most powerful armies in the world, had not yet been demobilized. Therefore, the army (namely, the army prepared for real battles) of the Vietnamese was larger at that time. So they got it in the neck, this is a historical fact. It's easy to google. The Chinese are generally not recommended to fight, they are not warriors at all. Throughout history, they have lost all wars, and in general, they take others in life. It is better for them to continue in the same spirit. laughing
                  1. rinzhak
                    +1
                    6 May 2012 19: 37
                    Quote: aksakal
                    but the truth, alas, is more expensive

                    and what is the truth, here in these words:
                    The Chinese are very good raked in this war with the Vietnamese
                    ;
                    So rakedThis is a historical fact.
                    ;
                    The Chinese not recommended to fight at allthey are not at all warriors

                    Do you have anything more serious?
              2. gor
                gor
                -2
                7 May 2012 07: 46
                opera go drive to a psychiatrist. Judging by your logic, if China scored Vietnamese, then the Americans have nothing to fear from China. The ratio of losses in Vietnamese to Americans and Vietnamese is about 1k 60, and yet the Americans withdrew troops.
                but in reality, the states will clog Korea and China will not even get angry as China is without states and this economic miracle will collapse in an instant. Now it’s not 50 years old, and in which case the Chinese themselves will contribute to the fall of the regime
              3. 0
                7 May 2012 21: 10
                China did not have the task of conquering all of Vietnam. The goals of the Chinese:
                To capture in a short time a significant part of the territory of Vietnam, including the provincial centers of Laokai, Kaobang, Langshon; inflict maximum losses to the enemy, undermining his defenses; to cause Vietnam maximum economic damage. It is believed that one of the goals of Deng Xiaoping, who advocated the modernization of the Chinese army, was to demonstrate to the more conservative part of the Chinese leadership the impossibility of waging modern warfare using old methods. Indeed, shortly after the war, a deep modernization of the PLA began. However, the Vietnamese army also demonstrated its shortcomings, in particular, lack of initiative and insufficient preparedness of its command.
        2. Danloff
          0
          6 May 2012 16: 29
          Quote: rinzhak
          Do you yourself believe that? North Korea will score America

          Well, here’s how to say ... Whoever has more experience will win, as well as China and Russia, + nuclear weapons, are at risk of such a fight, and the distances are too long.
    5. Yarbay
      +2
      6 May 2012 16: 04
      Japan will not allow !!
      If they are not 100% sure that they will not be allowed to use nuclear weapons then they will not attack North Korea. !!
    6. 755962
      0
      6 May 2012 17: 28
      Quote: rinzhak
      North Korea will be next after Iran ..

      The Pentagon has begun the active development of a war plan for North Korea and Iran. About this newspaper The Washington Times, citing its own sources in the US military.http://www.imperiya.by/news.html?id=92885
  2. +20
    6 May 2012 08: 46
    And America makes me angry that we will do. To impose sanctions against the United States and subject to humanitarian bombing?
    1. Neighbor
      -3
      6 May 2012 12: 35
      Oh, we live merrily - comrades! wassat It’s fun, brothers, it’s fun, it’s a paddle for us to live, we don’t have to get bored with this Ameriko.so.si.e. laughing
      There's a war here, there's a war there - what would the whole world do if it weren't for the Americans!? - they would have died long ago from boredom! wassat laughing
      Quote: Ardent
      So I would prescribe life-giving bloodletting, globally !!!

      good They are Amers, they only do that they bleed blood, it’s a pity that it’s not for themselves. belay
      1. Shumer
        -2
        6 May 2012 13: 02
        "There is a war, there is a war - what the whole world would do, if it weren't for Amerov !? - would have died out of boredom a long time ago." - A holy place is never empty; someone else would have come to replace them.
    2. Danloff
      -1
      6 May 2012 16: 34
      Alexander Romanov,
      I also thought about this somehow, but then I realized that it’s impossible to take sanctions against the United States. Because the United States has the largest economy, and the United States has all the rubbish from around the world, so this will result in a collapse, and dollars are also printed there. Replace the world currency, and then sanctions can be done against them. If they start bombing the United States, it will be ridiculous how the thick-assed amers will run around the cities))))) We will poison them with their very own methods)))
      1. 755962
        +1
        6 May 2012 17: 31
        Pentagon prepares war with Iran and North Koreahttp://kp.ru/daily/25877/2841165/
  3. YARY
    +2
    6 May 2012 08: 47
    Well, the hysterics of the "oilmen" on the basis of the PMS probably! Or already "21" press-press!
    So I would prescribe life-giving bloodletting, globally !!! angry wassat
    1. Sniper 1968
      -1
      6 May 2012 10: 51
      good good Yes YARY,
      Quote: Ardent
      ! Or already "21" press-press!

      Greatly written, Andrey! The main thing is politically correct (you also have a number "5") lol recourse
  4. sahha
    +3
    6 May 2012 08: 50
    The boar scoffed alone, and a group of elders were watching him, and one (the one with the right) was somehow especially ...
  5. +4
    6 May 2012 08: 55
    The American elite has long understood only one language, the language of power.
  6. sanyarusian
    0
    6 May 2012 09: 01
    if you have more of such enemies, you look, and they will leave us behind! although in no country there is as much of everything as we have oil, gas, etc., so you still have to beware!
  7. +2
    6 May 2012 09: 09
    Even so, it was in the American ass!
  8. Sarus
    +1
    6 May 2012 09: 15
    The photo shows who the boss is.
    All generals already visible cheekbones ....
    1. gor
      gor
      -1
      7 May 2012 07: 48
      they are pulled simply)))))))))))))) and he is a drone))))))))))))))
  9. +1
    6 May 2012 10: 09
    To the author "+" for the article. A bit of humor and meaningful vague statements on the topic "Our ships ply outer space" make the homosexuals and lesbians from Vashobkom surprisingly docile.
  10. Oleg0705
    +3
    6 May 2012 10: 16
    Writes by Russian pop singer Varvara:

    I came to Korea for the first time.

    Before leaving for Pyongyang, my grandfather told me:

    “You are going to a real country, to the most beautiful country.” There you will find out what real people should be like. You will especially understand how to educate the new generation.

    Grandpa was right. In Pyongyang, I felt that Koreans have a clean soul and the streets are clean too. Indeed, Koreans are an upright and humble people.

    And I think that a real country is a country where people live with a pure soul.

    My grandfather is a veteran of World War II. He passed from Moscow to Berlin. Passing through the fiery fields of a harsh war, grandfather retained in his heart the conviction that although everything changes, the human soul must always remain clean. Therefore, perhaps he often, when I was still a little child, told me about the war and educated me in the spirit of true love for the Motherland. I think this has had a big impact on my growth. The noble soul of Koreans and the purity of the city are so special that it is impossible to see in other countries.

    In the Kumsusan Memorial Palace, where a sarcophagus with the body of President Kim Il Sung is stored, I saw that all visitors to this mausoleum with tears in their eyes honored his memory. It touched me to tears and made me think deeply about many things. In Pyongyang, I sang the song "Cossacks in Berlin", which my grandfather taught me. During the Great Patriotic War, Soviet people fought for their leader, for their homeland and, defeating the enemies, defended their homeland with honor.

    Now the Korean people are selflessly working for the implementation of the plan of Commander Kim Jong Il to build a powerful and prosperous power. Such a country will have only a bright future.

    Varvara Susova, Russian Honored Artist
    1. Sniper 1968
      +3
      6 May 2012 10: 28
      Oleg0705,
      But does this beauty not want to move to permanent residence in S. Korea? lol lol laughing Will also go to the Mausoleum and cry ... crying crying crying And he will sing in Korean. smile smile Yes
      1. Svetoyar
        -1
        6 May 2012 10: 38
        I think that the very next day, when she, like all North Koreans, is driven to work in formation, this lady will immediately have a full "epiphany" from the sweet realities of this "most beautiful country."
        1. Oleg0705
          +7
          6 May 2012 10: 44
          Quote: Svetoyar
          I think that the very next day, when she, like all North Koreans, is driven to work in formation, this lady will immediately have a full "epiphany" from the sweet realities of this "most beautiful country."


          To all the wise men who are ardently defending the capitalist values ​​of what the FUCK, the free world so immediately declares a blockade on those countries that do not want to fall under them (DPRK, Cuba, Iran, etc.)? Would Koreans and Cubans live like this if the enlightened world did not put pressure on them? capitalism will die anyway, people cannot walk head by head to build a normal society.

          1. Sniper 1968
            +3
            6 May 2012 11: 54
            Oleg0705,
            Quote: Oleg0705
            clever people who are ardently defending capitalist values ​​here

            Eck is nagging you from side to side. Nobody tears on himself and does not protect to the shit of capitals. I just would not want to buy ration cards, in peacetime! You, apparently, are fed up in "decaying" Germany, so you sing the praises of the country high security, DPRK ... Just because Pyongyang is an enemy of the United States does not mean that it is our friend. Regards.
            1. Oleg0705
              -2
              6 May 2012 12: 06
              Quote: Sniper 1968
              You, apparently, are fed up in the "decaying" Germany, so you sing praises

              back into milk,

              Just because Pyongyang is an enemy of the United States does not mean that he is our friend.

              North Korea- Our friend!
              http://bbpk.ru/news/173-severnaya-koreya-nash-drug.html

              with respect
          2. Georg Shep
            0
            6 May 2012 12: 36
            The North Korean regime is a typical communist camp system and this system is preserved, paradoxically, by the US itself. The irreconcilability of communism and capitalism is just a screen. If the country were led by national governments, then the US would really and truly take action.
            1. Oleg0705
              0
              6 May 2012 13: 12
              Quote: Georg Shep
              North Korean regime is a typical communist camp system


              Have you read Solzhenitsyn?

              The United States would really and truly take action.


              their gut is thin
          3. YARY
            0
            6 May 2012 16: 53
            That's just the point Oleg0705!

            But even more vileness and duplicity is in the fact that the entire "west" (lo) and SySHyA proclaim "values" whose meaning completely contradicts their actions in the world! angry
            Dogma exampleand "FREEDOME" includes the right to live according to one's own understanding and non-interference of third parties in the processes of this life.
            Which completely contradicts the actions of these "democratizers"!
            About everything else, you can not say, this is more than enough! angry angry angry
          4. gor
            gor
            +1
            7 May 2012 14: 30
            and communism has already died. and people like you are such dinosaurs. why did they conveniently get in on the neck of the capitalists? They went to North Korea and at least once try not to cry in front of the body of some son and build a bright future.
            it’s amazing that the adversary of capitalism lives in this very capitalism. It’s a kind of person on the contrary. Or he built himself up, but he’s smart and the rest are dumb and can live in shit. Eatollon asshole along the way)))))))))))))) )))
            1. Oleg0705
              -4
              7 May 2012 17: 47
              Quote: gor
              Etollon asshole along the way)))))))))))))


              first learn to wash and brush your teeth romanian beggars tuten pula then get involved i saw you in the army i saw enough of you freaks crybabies rotten

              Why is it in the FRG on the neck of the capitalists conveniently attached?


              who on whose neck you’re still questioning the gap is Romanian or maybe Zionist Ceausescu lacks nits for you
              1. gor
                gor
                0
                7 May 2012 23: 28
                he showed himself in all his glory. How well-mannered we are....))))))))))))))) apparently he wasn't mistaken and for some reason he's also sure that the... offended guy)))))))))))))
                1. oper66
                  0
                  7 May 2012 23: 45
                  Well, if you’re Gore trolling here under different tricks, then Zebelin or Gore - and the style and vocabulary are identical - you understand the three throats - well, you’re trolling well, okay, don’t worry about the health monitor, just now you have to ignore it as an opponent - you’re negligible lol
                  1. gor
                    gor
                    +1
                    8 May 2012 09: 46
                    and since when is calling black black and white white called trolling?))))))))))))))))))))) You, respected ones with asterisks, troll because you pass off as reality things that have nothing to do with this reality. At least turn on your brain a little and analyze what you write and you will notice that you, respected one, are a troll. Because you are far from reality
                    I especially like your photo. Your pudo))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                2. Oleg0705
                  -3
                  8 May 2012 19: 00
                  gor or how else
                  in showed himself in all its glory. what kind of educated we are ....)))))))))))))))) I was not mistaken and for some reason I’m sure that h .... my offended)))) ))))))))

                  you gavvnyuk you many-sided obosi educated Troll I would offend it all pisyulki

                  cannot be in siberia asshole no as far as i know
      2. Oleg0705
        -1
        6 May 2012 11: 15
        Quote: Sniper 1968
        Oleg0705,
        But does this beauty not want to move to permanent residence in S. Korea? lol lol laughing Will also go to the Mausoleum and cry ... crying crying crying A will sing in Korean. smile smile yes


        Milk shot
        1. Sniper 1968
          -3
          6 May 2012 14: 05
          Oleg0705,
          Quote: Oleg0705
          Milk shot

          Well, fuli, if we don't pronounce "x" ... smile smile smile sad sad sad
          1. Oleg0705
            -2
            6 May 2012 14: 38
            the generals conspiracy laughing
          2. Oleg0705
            -1
            6 May 2012 15: 03
            Quote: Sniper 1968
            Well, fuli, if we don't pronounce "x".


            I don’t want to be rude to you, but I can
    2. +2
      6 May 2012 13: 32
      Quote: Oleg0705
      Writes by Russian pop singer Varvara:

      So you still would put Pugachev, that for the sake of scandal, she will still cry and will sing on the grave of Kim Il Sung
      1. Oleg0705
        0
        6 May 2012 13: 42
        Quote: APASUS
        So you still would put Pugachev


        I won’t stand up, she won’t cry, she went over to the enemies of the people
      2. Sniper 1968
        0
        6 May 2012 14: 08
        APASUS,
        Quote: APASUS
        So you still would put Pugachev

        Better Sergey Zverev, botox mug ... good lol lol
        1. +6
          6 May 2012 14: 33
          That’s someone, and the beast will be shot from mortars. Moreover, without any trial
      3. YARY
        0
        6 May 2012 16: 58
        I support - prostitution and Melpomene twin are uterine!
    3. Ares
      -3
      6 May 2012 13: 58
      Quote: Oleg0705
      Now the Korean people are selflessly working for the implementation of the plan of Commander Kim Jong Il to build a powerful and prosperous power. Such a country will have only a bright future.


      I haven’t laughed so long. The whole world clearly sees their prosperity. They can’t feed themselves, what can we say about the bright future lol Sooner or later, the "South" will send this absurd regime into history and unite Korea.
      1. Oleg0705
        +5
        6 May 2012 14: 03
        Quote: Ares
        The whole world clearly sees their prosperity.

        I repeat for you

        What the HORRY the free world so immediately declares a blockade on those countries that do not want to go under them (DPRK, Cuba, Iran, etc.)? Would Koreans and Cubans live like this if the enlightened world did not put pressure on them?

        and where is it necessary to laugh gloatingly?
        1. Ares
          -2
          6 May 2012 14: 16
          Quote: Oleg0705
          Would Koreans and Cubans live like this if the enlightened world did not put pressure on them?


          Even if you live completely alone on Earth, you need to at least be able to independently to feed themselves, and they can't even do that. And in the meantime. a wicked enlightened world supplies food for free to the hungry in the "great and prosperous." lol
          1. Oleg0705
            +1
            6 May 2012 14: 23
            Ares

            what to speak with you democrat are you in one word
            1. Ares
              -3
              6 May 2012 15: 02
              Quote: Oleg0705
              what to speak with you democrat are you in one word


              Of course, what is there to say when all democratic countries are at the forefront of technological progress, are the most influential and richest in the world, have the best social security and the highest life expectancy, and "prosperous" communists at this time cry over a stuffed sun in the mausoleum and receive handouts from their ideological enemies laughing
              1. Oleg0705
                0
                6 May 2012 15: 20
                Unfortunately

                I did not want to swear yes forced
                the word "democrat" became obscene, so did Itelllegant
                sorry for swear request
                1. Marat
                  -1
                  6 May 2012 22: 28
                  I support you Oleg0705, and Varvara is great.

                  Your opponents dishonestly raise the question - "if you support the DPRK, then go and live there."

                  It is clear that it is not very good to live there, because this country is under blockade, organized by the world Masonic government - and despite its small size it still manages to survive

                  But they made their choice - better poverty than a deal with the "devil"
                  Of course, they are supported by China.
                  It is clear that for all of us, the DPRK is a friendly country - it stands with us on the same side of the barricades - but it does not pose a threat like China, for example
  11. +5
    6 May 2012 10: 16
    the military operation may well extend to North Korea.

    Read more: http://topwar.ru/14153-severnaya-koreya-zlit-ssha.html

    Well, well, China cannot be discounted, they have their own self-interest in this region.
    1. +4
      6 May 2012 11: 00
      China is cunning here and wants to eat fish and not get any pleasure. And the DPRK cannot be abandoned and the USA cannot be offended.
  12. rinzhak
    -1
    6 May 2012 10: 20
    Quote: Aleksey67
    If Iran and S. Korea concluded an agreement on friendship and joint action in the event of aggression, then the amers would definitely defend .. attack

    yah?! do you think that the US army does not have the strength to defeat the combined armies of North Korea and Iran winked
    1. +3
      6 May 2012 11: 21
      Quote: rinzhak
      yah?! do you think that the US army does not have the strength to defeat the combined armies of North Korea and Iran
      If Korea gives Iran warheads, well, at least a couple of pieces, there won’t be a war in the Gulf! By the way, Iran has carriers ...
  13. Aleksey67
    +4
    6 May 2012 10: 24
    Quote: rinzhak
    yah?! do you think that the US army does not have the strength to defeat the combined armies of North Korea and Iran


    There will be no united armies. War on 2 fronts of the United States will not pull. The hypothetical possibility of transferring part of nuclear weapons to Iran and the supply of missiles to Korea strengthens the positions of these countries by an order of magnitude
    1. rinzhak
      -3
      6 May 2012 10: 40
      and is Russia ready to get into a fight?
      1. Aleksey67
        +5
        6 May 2012 10: 48
        Quote: rinzhak
        and is Russia ready to get into a fight?

        You know, it is not necessary to get into a "fight" ourselves; it is enough to provide assistance at the diplomatic level and supply of weapons. The Russian leadership is smart enough not to shed the blood of its soldiers in other countries.
        1. rinzhak
          +3
          6 May 2012 10: 59
          Well, it doesn’t happen to provide military-technical assistance and at the same time be aloof from the war. What you write about is typical in the conditions of the Cold War, in the context of the doctrine of limited wars, but it’s not possible ... The USSR is no more, the States have triumphed over the Soviets, and it’s pointless to resort to old, though effective, Kremlin measures. If we continue to develop this idea, then Russia should begin to deploy military bases in Central Asia today, because after the States break Iran, they will have direct access to the borders of the Central Asian republics and the southern coast of the Caspian. In a word, to that very underbelly ...
          1. +4
            6 May 2012 11: 12
            As it’s not the case, the amers even do very well! A living example of this is the Arab plague (spring) and Syria at the moment
          2. Aleksey67
            +3
            6 May 2012 11: 19
            Quote: rinzhak
            to provide military-technical assistance and at the same time be on the sidelines from the war.

            What is happening in Syria and Iran now? Russian diplomats through the UN "contain" the aggression, while weapons are being supplied and troops are being trained wink
            Quote: rinzhak
            States defeated the Soviets

            Only the victory of the "Pyrrhic" turned out to be, the USSR collapsed, but Russia is being revived and gaining strength, but the United States comes to a kirdyk and what will happen after their collapse ... smile
            Quote: rinzhak
            Russia should start deploying military bases in Central Asia today

            Have you flown from Mars? Russia has bases in Central Asia
            Quote: rinzhak
            after the States break Iran

            We'll see winked
            1. rinzhak
              +1
              6 May 2012 11: 36
              Quote: Aleksey67
              What is happening in Syria and Iran now? Russian diplomats through the UN "contain" the aggression, while weapons are being supplied and troops are being trained wink

              for example, but this is still no war, but start it tomorrow, and Russian specialists will have to fly into the combat zone. And where there are military specialists, there is usually a limited contingent; and where there is a limited contingent, there is an army, and where there is an army, there is complicity ..
              Only the victory of the "Pyrrhic", The USSR collapsed, but Russia is reborn and growing stronger, but the USA comes kirdyk and what will happen after their collapse .... I think a big bunch of der ... ah, the stink from which will affect the whole modern world
              No, I don't agree, the victory was complete. Brzezinski correctly posed the question immediately after the collapse of the USSR - "what will the world of tomorrow be like?" The States not only failed, they, represented by individual political scientists, understood that the unipolar world is a myth. Civilization can effectively exist and fruitfully develop only in the conditions of a bipolar, not a multipolar world! The States needed a fulcrum in the big game. They themselves invented an enemy in the person of terrorism, but all this is not it, this is (pardon the expression) a rubber woman, and not a support in heat.
              Today, all "world leaders" urgently demand a multipolar world, so to speak, pluralism of opinions. what well, let them build it, that's just as history shows a multipolar world - this is a direct road to world war ...
              And this is what the States want. They want after it again, as once in the 45th, to redraw the world in a new way and give way to the New World Order. At least another hundred years ...
  14. Farkash
    -4
    6 May 2012 10: 26
    Since respect for us and the North Koreans from the West still can not wait (and whether we need such "respect"), so let even the good old fearfulness from the United States play the first fiddle in political contacts
    In a good company he sees us Mr. Volodin, maybe he is right in something, the current political leadership of Russia is not far from the idea of ​​"Juche".
  15. SectoR
    +3
    6 May 2012 11: 08
    In the photo, Kim Jong-un points his finger at America and
    voices "boo-boo-x", everyone is watching and recording ... lol


    China will not approve of any serious actions against North Korea
    In general, the United States will have to think whether it is profitable for them to quarrel with China in all respects, even diplomatic, even economic ...
  16. -2
    6 May 2012 11: 18
    An entertaining situation ... However, it reminds me of a kindergarten, when the boys are measured, who has more ...
  17. +1
    6 May 2012 11: 39
    All this mess with the DPRK and Iran, too, are obvious moves to weaken China. I think there is still an undercover struggle, just a little pops up on the surface. It seems to me they are bargaining, they will find a compromise, and there will be nothing serious
    1. Marat
      +3
      6 May 2012 22: 21
      I agree that attacks on the DPRK are a confrontation between China and China. But the pressure and preparation of aggression against Iran is already "a shot, first of all, at Russia and the ODKB, and only secondarily at China.
  18. Ridder
    +2
    6 May 2012 11: 48
    Yes, the American elite has a hard butt for any reason. And more about North Korea.
  19. Odessa
    +2
    6 May 2012 11: 50
    It is not news that the United States is `` looking askance '' in the direction of Korea, since the Koreans have long been busy with secret military developments (if I am not mistaken, explosive devices that even a metal detector and other search systems do not respond to), there is practically no way to identify them Perhaps the United States has come up with a `` good excuse '' so that Korean developments do not fall into the hands of terrorists. Apparently the United States senses that somewhere they have messed things up and revenge is inevitable. So they twitched, there is no other explanation, I don't see here.
  20. KAZAKHSTAN
    -6
    6 May 2012 12: 03
    Nuzhto, let's get ready for an atomic war, strike first, deep in the night, England, the United States, Europe, have not deserved the right to life! If this year the population of Western countries does not overthrow their rulers, then it will be necessary to get rid of this biomass
    1. 0
      6 May 2012 21: 27
      let's get ready for an atomic war first strike, deep in the night england, usa, europe did not deserve the right to life!

      England certainly didn’t deserve a couple with the USA ...
  21. +1
    6 May 2012 13: 10
    In general, of course, strange sensations, the United States declared itself a fighter for democracy on a WORLD scale, and someone skillfully pulls the strings of Libya, then Syria, then Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, then North Korea, then Venezuela, etc. What does ANYWHERE in the United States can not bring to the end.
    With the aim of either "winding up" America, or with these "catch-ups" to distract the world policeman from something important ... what
  22. Pablomc
    -5
    6 May 2012 14: 31
    But the mentality of Americans is such that even a clearly hypothetical threat in the form of a nuclear North Korean response could force the United States to hold on to its zealous horses. Well, the Americans are not accustomed to openly fight with that adversary who, at least on a theoretical level, can seriously answer them.

    Author, why do you endlessly ?!
    Americans love and know how to fight worse than anyone in the world at the moment!
    And they were never afraid to go into war if necessary, whether it was big or small.
    Enough of making idiots out of the American army - or is hat-making a better way to show your patriotic feelings ?!
    1. +5
      6 May 2012 14: 44
      The Germans, too, loved and knew how to fight, worse than everyone in the world. Only once, the lovers of war broke the ridge. It will also be necessary for your beloved America to turn the backbone! And don’t hope that it will be otherwise
      1. Pablomc
        -3
        6 May 2012 17: 03
        Alexander Romanov,

        True, but maybe you will remember at what price we got the victory in the 45th ?!
        And maybe you strain your brain and still remember that the Americans fought with the Nazis?

        And maybe you can strain your brain and remember that we were allies?

        Or Russian only able to make enemies ?!
        1. Oleg0705
          +2
          6 May 2012 17: 18
          Quote: PabloMC
          True, but maybe you will remember at what price we got the victory in the 45th ?!
          And maybe you strain your brain and still remember that the Americans fought with the Nazis?

          And maybe you can strain your brain and remember that we were allies?


          Yes, the losses were huge. No one disputes this. But the Soviet people had to pay this price in order to defend the freedom and independence of their homeland. They did not stand behind her, unlike other insidious allies, who cared otherwise. All the hardest years of 1941 they were waiting for someone to take. From the USA, the voice of the notorious G. Truman was heard, at the end of the war he became the American president, publicly declaring: "If we see that Germany wins, we should help Russia, if Russia will win, then we should help Germany, and so let them kill each other as much as possible."
          The Allies were pulling as best they could with the opening of the second front, paying off the Lend-Lease supplies of obsolete weapons (except for the famous Studebakers) and pork stew, for which we paid with gold and a lot of blood. But deliveries began only after the end of the Moscow battle. And in the midst of the bloody battle of Stalingrad, on the outcome of which a lot depended on the further course of the war, they suspended them - they also waited for someone to take.
          The Allies opened a second front only in mid-1944, when little depended on it. By this time, the Red Army had broken the Wehrmacht ridge. The Anglo-Saxons discovered it in order to prevent the Red Army from liberating all of Germany from the Nazis and occupying the Ruhr-Rhine industrial zone - this is the economic heart of Germany, where the West had invested huge capital before the war.
          In the troubled pseudo-reform years, Anglo-Saxon ravings about the "evil empire", about "Soviet totalitarianism" with equating it with the fascist regime of Germany, about the two perpetrators of the outbreak of World War II - Germany and the Soviet Union began to spread widely in our country.

          And Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy!
          1. Vadim555
            +3
            6 May 2012 17: 53
            Quote: Oleg0705
            And Russia has two allies - its Army and Navy!


            To explain to such "common people" that it is useless.
            There is a saying about the likes
            Though ssy in the eye, he says God's dew.

            For them, the truth is that the USSR "filled up" the Wehrmacht with mountains of corpses.
            America defeated WWII .......
            Generally one nonsense.
            One single German operation in the Ardennes nearly crashed whole Western Front.
            1. 0
              6 May 2012 21: 31
              For them, the truth is that the USSR "filled up" the Wehrmacht with mountains of corpses.

              moreover, all the corpses were from penal battalions and most of them (corpses) were crumbled by the NKVD (barrage detachments) in an attempt to retreat ...
          2. zlibeni
            -3
            7 May 2012 14: 57
            and you yourself don’t want to remember what the USSR did from 39 to 41 until Poland was seized, a piece of the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact was seized from Finland. Why didn’t you help the British and French at that time? And yes, someone fought for their homeland, but American soldiers The homeland was far beyond the ocean, and there were many volunteers among them, and if nothing threatened their homeland at that time, then they were a cut above.
            and yet the question was not the British fighting for the motherland? and there were no German soldiers on the territory of England.
            with this comment about stewed meat and obsolete weapons, you showed all your baseness and worthlessness as a person. Honestly, apart from contempt, I can’t express anything (((((((((((((((
            about obsolete armaments. Americans flew the planes that were delivered to the USSR. Emka tanks were diesel. Americans themselves rode gasoline besides marines.
            and there was no USSR that Europe’s peoples suffered until Germany attacked the USSR. They saved themselves, not the world, and not without help. So, you don’t have to howl that the world owes you
            1. oper66
              +1
              7 May 2012 15: 20
              Judging by your comments, you are one of those who worked in Chechnya and Georgia - your orientation is clear, but screw it, and regarding Finland and Poland, I will explain that the USSR did not seize and occupy, but returned the original Russian lands illegally annexed under the Brest Peace - this is according to Poland, and the Finns are our Kemsk volost. In general, watch out that you don't get a stroke from anger and hatred when you come to visit, and if the devil takes you, then grace will be cleaner for one bastard drinks
              1. zlibeni
                -6
                7 May 2012 16: 02
                I’m looking not to like the true state of things? the threats have gone)))))))))))))))))))))))) this is what I know whose cause is right and so afraid of the truth as if inappropriately. did not answer. only so mumbled slurred and pleased with himself)))))))))))))
                1. oper66
                  +4
                  7 May 2012 17: 15
                  There is no threat to you - a lot of honor, I just watch how you breathe with anger and warned you so that you don’t have a stroke from despair, but rather the light ends
              2. Sniper 1968
                0
                7 May 2012 22: 08
                oper66,
                Quote: oper66
                are you from tez who in Chechnya and Georgia worked part-time, your reintegration is clear

                I also forgot to indicate one place of this subject's part-time job: PMR ... 14 And I gave them "hello" ...
            2. +1
              7 May 2012 16: 27
              Quote: zlibeni
              . Why didn’t you help the British and French at this time?

              strange question ---- and what was the agreement with Ang-fran? What would they help?
              Quote: zlibeni
              here the American soldiers had their homeland far beyond the ocean, and among them there were many volunteers

              Americans are a pretty passionate nation - the frontier nation towards 1940 the wild west is finally over and there is no place to show good fellow. so they are not taller, but some people just like to fight --- if not Indians then Germans.
              Quote: zlibeni
              and yet the question was not the British fighting for the motherland? and there were no German soldiers on the territory of England.

              So who should not get used to whom and the British - they fought for the sale of opium in China, and now what?
              Quote: zlibeni
              about obsolete weapons. Americans flew the planes that were delivered to the USSR. Emka tanks were diesel. Americans themselves rode gasoline besides marines

              I agree here - just don't make a special distinction between diesel and petrol.
              Quote: zlibeni
              and there was no USSR the case that the peoples of Europe suffered until Germany attacked the USSR

              Well, why did they want to protect Czechoslovakia - but they didn’t give it so that it was not imposed. As Europe, the catfish received a bullet from Hitler so after 22 on June 41 quickly agreed with the USSR.


              Often I was offered tickets to Korea, it is a pity no one forwarded, I would ride.
              1. zlibeni
                -3
                7 May 2012 16: 35
                from your words, it turns out that it’s not the world that should be grateful to you, but you, the world, for not leaving you alone with the Germans. I think it would be much easier for the Anglo-Saxons to defeat two battered and bloodless states.
                but about what they want to capture you. everyone judges by himself. they should not be taken away. draw conclusions what you are before judging someone
                But how did they want to protect the Czechs? Probably like Poland
                1. 0
                  7 May 2012 16: 41
                  Quote: zlibeni
                  from your words, it turns out that it’s not the world that should be grateful to you

                  And it is possible in detail - how did you come to this paradoxical conclusion?
                  Fly the USSR in 1942, or sign a truce to the Anglo-Saxons full cover, Rommel would take Suez even in winter 1942 did not suffer such losses Germany. So the Anglo-Saxons bought a victory cheaply.
                  And not two, but one state.
            3. Oleg0705
              -1
              7 May 2012 18: 11
              Quote: zlibeni
              clearly did not answer. only so mumbled inarticulate


              Ceausescu lacks you nits clearly enough ????

              Quote: zlibeni
              with this comment about stewed meat and obsolete weapons, you showed all your baseness and worthlessness as a person. Honestly, apart from contempt, I can’t express anything (((((((((((((((


              pissing yourself may feel better
            4. +2
              7 May 2012 18: 36
              Quote: zlibeni
              and there was no USSR the case that the peoples of Europe suffered until Germany attacked the USSR


              no wait, the USSR protested against the annexation of both Austria and Czechoslovakia, the Czechs were generally offered military assistance. But what about the war in Spain against the fascist putsch, the help of technology and volunteers to China against militaristic Japan
              1. gor
                gor
                -1
                7 May 2012 21: 02
                and there was the Ribentrop-Molotov pact. Would you like to read the contents of this document in full))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))?
                1. Oleg0705
                  -3
                  7 May 2012 21: 54
                  gor
                  pay well for misinformation ????
                  Well, you’re definitely flawed am
                  1. gor
                    gor
                    +1
                    8 May 2012 09: 42
                    but what is dear dear?))))))))))))))))) or want to say that it wasn’t? the written story and the fact that it was different things. the written one is convenient to whitewash yourself , and the fact that it was that it was rather inconvenient and therefore needed to be rewritten.
                    1. Oleg0705
                      -2
                      8 May 2012 17: 20
                      gor

                      everything is clear with you, I suppose the scribbler of the traitor rezun has read, come on, come on, he will still not write under the dictation of albion
                      you are our many faces
                2. prophetic
                  0
                  18 May 2012 23: 34
                  The Munich Agreement of 1938 is no different from this pact. Everyone worked in their interests
            5. prophetic
              0
              18 May 2012 23: 42
              Quote: zlibeni
              why didn’t you help the English and French at this time?

              they, too, were in no hurry to help us, until June 1944 they could not open a second front. They waited, creatures, who whom, we or the Germans, then joined the winner
    2. Oleg0705
      +9
      6 May 2012 21: 33
      PabloMC EN
      Americans love and know how to fight worse than anyone in the world at the moment!


      great they fight at a distance almost the entire ammunition in one perhaps ???? .. the enemy
      1. sergey261180
        0
        6 May 2012 21: 41
        You can watch this picture for hours. smile
      2. 11Goor11
        +3
        7 May 2012 01: 15
        The transformation of my attitude towards the USA is amusing.
        Once it was the chief enemy of his beloved homeland
        Then in the 90s they became kind of normal people for me
        But the last few years are somehow extremely ambiguous. Government for sure. And ordinary citizens? Well I do not know. Among them are full of cheers.
        I have a couple of friends there. Good people. But we are convinced that "terrorists" should be bombed "without looking."
        That's how this type of pushing the trigger, probably the bridge of strategic importance from the demolition.
        You just look and feel in the place of that poor thing.
      3. Yarbay
        0
        7 May 2012 17: 09
        He had to lie down right away, and not run !!
        we have so two soldiers fled from shelter during the shelling, young !!
        Then collected in pieces!
        1. 0
          7 May 2012 20: 41
          is it removed from the turntable?
          1. Novosibirsky
            -1
            8 May 2012 21: 46
            It is unlikely that the turntable is heard. And then the victim walks along the boulevard, not with his ears, not with his ears. The drone looks like ...
        2. Novosibirsky
          0
          7 May 2012 22: 03
          And where was there to lie down? Is there a shiganut into the river under the bridge? !! Duc there, apparently, a caliber such that it cuts along with the bridge. No, this guy was doomed ...
          1. Yarbay
            -2
            7 May 2012 23: 40
            Right there at the booth to lay down !!
            I would have gone for the dead !!
            There he would not be visible!
            1. Novosibirsky
              0
              8 May 2012 09: 41
              Duck spotted him on the bridge, and immediately cut off the retreat to the booth, laid in front of him first, so he darted back. Yes, and fell over the bridge, and that, according to the fallen, and control already. No, IMHO, only try in the river, under the bridge, and even then ..
        3. Novosibirsky
          +1
          8 May 2012 10: 20
          Quote: Yarbay
          we have so two soldiers fled from shelter during the shelling, young !!
          Then collected in pieces!

          By the way, Yarbay, where is it with us, if not secret? And whose artillery worked for you?
          1. Yarbay
            0
            8 May 2012 16: 52
            If he lay down where the first shots were, then he would not be visible, the booth would cover and completely pass for the dead! That is, there was a chance !!
            Although perhaps you are right!
            But in such situations, I am convinced it is better not to run unless you see good shelter nearby !!
            about the second question on the flag, it’s clear Azerbaijan!
            1. Novosibirsky
              0
              8 May 2012 21: 19
              Quote: Yarbay
              If he lay down where the first shots were, then he would not be visible, the booth would cover and completely pass for the dead! That is, there was a chance !!

              Ah, I see. You think that the fire was coming from above, to the right of the bridge, and then yes, it's not far to the booth, but it seems to me that it was from a helicopter or, more likely, even from a drone, from above and to the left of the camera (judging by the route of the first shots), and then it's very far to the dead sector, you still need to turn right and run 4-5 meters, judging by the video... Well, in any case, it's hard to get your bearings in such a situation, in an unexpected brawl. And if he had fallen on the spot during the first shots, there would still have been control... In short, the guy is not long for this world...

              Quote: Yarbay
              But in such situations, I am convinced it is better not to run unless you see good shelter nearby !!

              Yes, probably. Better to fall and pray. )))

              Quote: Yarbay
              about the second question on the flag, it’s clear Azerbaijan!

              Clearly, a little overlooked the box. Well, it can happen, you thought a Czech, who fell under our shelling ?! )) Good luck.
      4. 0
        7 May 2012 20: 43
        hard vidyuha
      5. Mr. Truth
        +2
        8 May 2012 00: 11
        Quote: Oleg0705
        almost the entire ammunition

        I will explain why they shoot so much, the M789 (the main OFS for the M-230 Cheyngan) is only 21,5 g of explosives (48 g in our ZUOF8), its high-explosive and fragmentation effect is simply incredibly small for a 30 mm gun. therefore such long lines.
  23. 89651544551
    +1
    6 May 2012 15: 27
    AMERICANS play with fire!
    1. Liliputin
      +1
      6 May 2012 23: 37
      The USA has an absolutely pragmatic approach - in Washington, as in Pyongyang, they perfectly understand that war is not beneficial to anyone, because this will be the last war for the Juche regime and will also significantly weaken US influence in the region.
      The United States is profitable to extend its presence in the region and increase pressure on China, in turn, the North Korean nomenclature is interested in maintaining the regime ...
  24. Liliputin
    +2
    6 May 2012 23: 34
    The US will carry out all its actions around the DPRK with an eye on its strategy in the Asia-Pacific region (presented on January 5 of this year). According to this document, China, not Russia, is the US's main rival (which is basically confirmed by statistical data on economic development and defense spending).
    But nevertheless, it won’t reach the war - for it will become a catastrophe for the main US allies in the region - Japan and South Korea ....
    Everything will remain at the same level - tension on the Korean peninsula will be artificially maintained - for the presence of American troops in South Korea and Japan, which in turn is necessary for the United States to put pressure on China ...
    1. Tirpitz
      +1
      7 May 2012 16: 25
      This will end in disaster for the DPRK. Korea will be united under South Korean rule. China will not get involved.
  25. PARROT
    0
    7 May 2012 00: 44
    For the people of the DPRK, the seizure of the United States will be a great gift and joy, and here the point on this without discussion is it right or not, the situation in the DPRK is simply disastrous, people starve, electricity a couple of times a year, they kill for stealing a bicycle, etc., after being captured under the Kim Tribunal Chen of this.
    Those who say that if Iran enters into an agreement with the DPRK and the United States will be afraid of just very stupid people.
    1. prophetic
      0
      18 May 2012 23: 11
      Koreans would rather die than choose the fate of the Indians. and Americans will not climb on Korea, they piss at the slightest danger to themselves
  26. +4
    7 May 2012 10: 53
    No matter how hard the people live in North Korea, the spirit of unity among them is strong. I was there and did not see by hearsay. Everything regarding possible aggression from the West causes sincere rage among people. Brainwashing and ideology instilled over the years does its job. If they are somehow ready to put up with South Korea, then about the States - this is the enemy, without any comments. Therefore, if the States and try to get into North Korea, then grief they grab and not small. Blood will be unmeasured.
    1. PARROT
      +3
      7 May 2012 16: 30
      Who needs unity when your children die of hunger?
  27. James_norton
    +1
    7 May 2012 21: 45
    PARROT,
    Totally agree
  28. 0
    9 May 2012 02: 07
    And maybe not only Koreans themselves are to blame for this poverty? In sanctions mode, you’re not really benefiting.
  29. Kostyan
    -1
    9 May 2012 21: 16
    almost everything here is an idiot .... the DPRK itself will soon die of starvation and it is only necessary to fight it .. to bring to justice a gang of cannibals who rule there .... and subsequently hang in public ..... the power of cannibals and monsters ..... yes, but no one in the world can threaten the Yankees .. because they have no and will not have rivals for the next 100-150 years .....