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X-22 missiles will be back in operation

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The Ministry of Defense decided to return to duty aviation X-22 medium-range guided missiles News.




For many years they remained the main caliber of Tu-22М3 bombers, but at the beginning of the 2000-x were removed from service. Their modernization was not provided.

It has now been decided to upgrade the X-22 remaining in storage and re-arm.

According to the Ministry of Defense, all 32 units will be upgraded. Works will be carried out for three years. The total cost will be about 300 million rubles.

“The X-22 was produced by the machine-building design bureau Raduga (today it is part of the Tactical Missiles Corporation). A total of about 3 thousand of various modifications of similar products were released. The equipment of an ammunition depends on the tasks to be solved: it can carry a conventional high-explosive-cumulative or thermonuclear charge, ”the article says.

Modified ammunition in its characteristics significantly surpass the rocket, on the basis of which it was created. On the upgraded X-22, a more powerful engine is installed, the warhead at the same time decreases and the volume of fuel tanks increases. This is almost twice - to 1 thousand km - allows you to extend the range of their use,
told military expert Alexei Leonkov.

In addition, according to him, “the rocket is equipped with a new, noise-free, radar-inertial guidance system with radio command correction and reference to the terrain, an automatic control system is installed instead of the autopilot”. An upgraded version is created for action in the face of the strongest opposition of the enemy's missile defense system.

First of all, X-22 is intended for the destruction of enemy ships, radar stations and well-fortified strategic facilities.
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  1. weksha50
    weksha50 15 May 2018 11: 28
    +12
    So, I read all the facts about the modernization of the rocket, and realized only one thing: the output would be a completely new weapon ... hi
    PS But for the adversary - just the modernization of a staaarenky weapon ... laughing
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 15 May 2018 11: 32
      +1
      For the adversary will go, the main application in the new conditions.
    2. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 15 May 2018 11: 33
      +7
      and good teachers fell for us - we learned how to twist cotton wool in our ears! that's what you need with them - old missiles and old air defense systems (for some reason, brand new thermal imagers accidentally attached on the side)!
    3. bazzbazz
      bazzbazz 15 May 2018 11: 51
      +4
      But the amount is embarrassing. Only 32!? Maybe the article is not up to the line and the rocket will go into series later
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 May 2018 13: 43
        +2
        These 32 missiles in the exercises will be used up in a year.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 15 May 2018 14: 31
          +1
          This is for non-upgraded Tu-22M3.
          Tu-22M3M will already fly with the X-32.
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 15 May 2018 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: weksha50
      So, I read all the facts about the modernization of the rocket, and realized only one thing: the output would be a completely new weapon ... hi
      George, welcome! You don’t particularly smile, Abra will come and prove on fingers that all this bullshit is slop! wink
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 15 May 2018 13: 38
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        You don’t particularly smile, Abra will come and prove on fingers that all this bullshit is slop!


        Hi, Vyacheslav!
        Let him better prove that their Fu-35 not to be afraid of our S-300s, suddenly delivered to Syria ... hi
    5. alexmach
      alexmach 15 May 2018 11: 57
      +3
      Surely nothing is clear, but what about the X-32? If she is, why bring these back into operation?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 15 May 2018 12: 57
        +3
        Quote: alexmach
        Surely nothing is clear, but what about the X-32? If she is, why bring these back into operation?

        Well, what you are not understanding! Make X-32 one price .... "turn" X-22 into X-32-other .... hope less (cheaper) ... yes
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 15 May 2018 15: 00
          +2
          Here, hope is good. Well, we will assume that this is necessary, since they do so.
        2. Briz
          Briz 15 May 2018 22: 52
          0
          Sounded about 10 lyam apiece ... 300 million for 32 pcs. (This is only a remake) .... Maybe it's easier and cheaper to do from scratch?
      2. Topotun
        Topotun 15 May 2018 13: 28
        +4
        Apparently the situation for Russia is from the category - it is better to dig out a Mosin rifle and a can of ammunition from the garden than to hope that they will bring an assault rifle .... Too much hysteria winds around us ....
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 15 May 2018 15: 31
          +2
          Hi Andrey hi Now Kalash is easier to find than Mosinka.
          1. Topotun
            Topotun 15 May 2018 16: 27
            +1
            Hello, Sergey.
            In the course, although sometimes I really want to find Mosinka ....
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 15 May 2018 19: 47
              +1
              What for? Hunter? Or are you fond of weapons?
              1. Topotun
                Topotun 16 May 2018 13: 12
                +1
                Rather, the second is hunting if there is nothing. And there are no problems with this. To beat a belly just like that? Not for me pleasure. But I love to shoot. The mosquito is of course a thing, but this toy is more likely for the open spaces of Siberia and the Urals .... But the thing ....
    6. just exp
      just exp 15 May 2018 11: 59
      +1
      not entirely new. it’s just that it will have more range and it will finally cease to be driven by simple interference.
      the amount is really small. but one salvo of all 32 pieces may well break through the AUG air defense.
      although in the Soviet Union it was calculated (despite the fact that the air defense systems on the AOG and export ships were old, which were many times worse than what is now on the mattress EM), that a volley of hundreds of anti-ship missiles was needed.
      for besides the air defense system, the AUG also has fighters.
    7. NEXUS
      NEXUS 15 May 2018 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: weksha50
      So, I read all the facts about the modernization of the rocket, and realized only one thing: the output would be a completely new weapon ...

      Since the dimensions of the X-22 are the same as that of the X-32, I think that these missiles will bring during the modernization to the level of X-32.
      The modified ammunition in its characteristics will significantly surpass the rocket on the basis of which it was created. On the upgraded X-22, a more powerful engine is installed, at the same time the warhead is reduced and the volume of fuel tanks is increased. This almost doubles - up to 1 thousand km - allows you to expand the range of their application,

      This is what distinguishes the X-32 from the X-22
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 15 May 2018 12: 59
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        This is what distinguishes the X-32 from the X-22

        That's for sure ! Right, word for word ... wink
  2. novel66
    novel66 15 May 2018 11: 34
    +10
    cool, how does it get attached to the relief in the middle of the ocean? I can give a master class on hanging this product on TU-95 k-22
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 15 May 2018 11: 47
      0
      Quote: novel xnumx
      how will it become attached to the relief in the middle of the ocean?

      the article says - "in operation aviation managed medium-range missiles, "so the operator controls it, the question is from an airplane or sitting on a rocket? wassat
      1. novel66
        novel66 15 May 2018 11: 53
        +1
        the operator, and on the TU-95 the second navigator, shows the target and, it seems, highlights, and then "herself, herself!"
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 15 May 2018 11: 57
        +4
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        the question is from an airplane or sitting on a rocket? wassat
        What are you? Still have not read or watched "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen? belay
      3. Seaflame
        Seaflame 16 May 2018 16: 44
        +2
        If they shoot in the AUG, then put me on a rocket, all my life I dreamed of an Amer aircraft carrier drowning angry
    2. MPN
      MPN 15 May 2018 11: 52
      +5
      hi Hello roman! There
      X-22 is designed to destroy enemy ships, radar stations and well fortified strategic sites.
      Therefore, you need to attach to the relief ..., I think this is not the same modification, it will be of the type with the K-index of anti-ship missiles, with the index "X" PRL, with the index for example "C" by SC .. well, because I think ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 15 May 2018 11: 55
        +2
        Paul. the kindest, so they used to be with letters, only there are three letters there: pmg there and somehow
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 15 May 2018 14: 43
          +1
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Paul. the kindest, so they used to be with letters, only there are three letters there: pmg there and somehow

          PSI
          1. novel66
            novel66 15 May 2018 15: 29
            +1
            yeah, something like that. differed in the size of the radar, in one the whole muzzle was radiolucent, and in the second a window
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 15 May 2018 19: 58
              +1
              Roma, good health hi And in our RPNR, didn’t you prepare rockets for an hour? I could not see them very close, but you saw them very well. Therefore, the question is asked. drinks
              1. novel66
                novel66 15 May 2018 22: 15
                +1
                Seryoga, hello my friend! hi drinks where have you been a rocket is being prepared in a nuclear submarine, and we, the armourers, just hang it on a plane
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 16 May 2018 02: 22
                  +1
                  Yes, here I was, where I go. RPNR - a site for preliminary preparation of missiles - is one of the objects of airdrome protection. But aren't gunsmiths preparing rockets? I mean - ordinary? Those with special warheads "Capercaillie" guarded. It was so with us. drinks
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 16 May 2018 07: 29
                    +1
                    it, specially trained people are preparing the rocket, and we are taking them, we make sure that the alcohol is flooded
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 16 May 2018 07: 49
                      +2
                      and we accept from them, we make sure that the alcohol is flooded

                      What would I live like that. crying
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 16 May 2018 09: 43
                        +2
                        it is tasteless and not healthy. since inhibited. happened. Of course, in fuel and lubricants they got alcohol in liters instead of kilograms, for which they poured it clean. and the inhibitor powder was given with it, with the order "certainly stir!" but true happiness is the Azalea Reba station - 90 liters of clean, delicious sword!
                    2. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 16 May 2018 15: 16
                      +1
                      With such a service should go for three years. Health is not enough to carry out maintenance. wink drinks
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 16 May 2018 15: 45
                        +1
                        cool. I was almost non-drinker then. how did the currency go
                    3. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 16 May 2018 19: 15
                      +1
                      how did the currency go

                      I know you will find a number screwdriver in the grass - 3 liters of alcohol, legal kalym.
      2. sivuch
        sivuch 15 May 2018 12: 06
        +2
        I don’t think so - hundreds of X-22s were assembled in the Union in several modifications, which was normal and correct. But for 32 pieces, different modifications are too much. rather, there will be universal
  3. Egorovich
    Egorovich 15 May 2018 11: 34
    +2
    Why is it redoing if X-32 is already available. Spend on the modernization of one KR more than nine million rubles, this is ... something .... wassat
    1. minus
      minus 15 May 2018 11: 41
      +2
      At first I thought so too. But it became interesting to the PT how much the X-32 costs .. Perhaps a decent saving will be.
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 15 May 2018 11: 54
        +2
        The fact is that the X-32 is the same KR X-22, in the same case, but with a different engine, with a reduced BZ, with an increased flight range and new electronics. And the designer is the same.
        1. just exp
          just exp 15 May 2018 12: 00
          0
          the X-32 also has a higher speed.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 15 May 2018 13: 08
        +2
        Quote: Minus
        But it wondered how much the x-32 costs .. Perhaps a decent savings will be.

        That’s worth coughing up! How much does X-32 cost from scratch? And how much does it cost to "turn" X-22 into X-32? Given the amount of X-22 in storage (hundreds? Thousands? I no longer remember ... fool ), that is, the assumption that we save ..!
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 15 May 2018 14: 04
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          If we take into account the quantity of X-22 in storage (hundreds? Thousands? I don’t remember ... fool), then there is an assumption that we will save ..!

          Well, something like this:
          It has now been decided to upgrade the X-22 remaining in storage and re-arm.
          Since then, the Ministry of Defense, In total 32 units will be modernized. Work will be carried out for three years. The total cost will be about 300 million rubles.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 15 May 2018 20: 10
            +1
            Hello Sasha. hi Nikolayevich is a missile, probably knows more. And then, maybe the info for another is laid out and the digital is not the same? wink
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 15 May 2018 20: 12
              +1
              Quote: Svarog51
              maybe infa for another laid out and the digital is not the same?

              Hello, Sergey. hi Duc, go and know. yes
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 15 May 2018 20: 55
                +2
                Duc, go and know.

                They can attract me for guesswork, and even if I know, I won’t even be able to get on the Internet. good drinks
        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 15 May 2018 20: 07
          +1
          that is, the assumption that we save ..!

          Nikolayevich, and savings can be put into action, well, so that "For the repose of our enemies." drinks
  4. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 15 May 2018 11: 40
    +6
    Since then, according to the Ministry of Defense, a total of 32 units will be upgraded. Work will be carried out for three years.
    Cool! as much as 32 !!!! And for how short! an unprecedented achievement of science and technology. Already not even ridiculous. We will soon upgrade the T-26 and IL-2.
    1. Berkut24
      Berkut24 15 May 2018 11: 47
      +3
      Do not be confused by quantity and time. In essence, this is a cheaper replacement for newer missiles. There is nowhere to hurry, there is ammunition, but I think that aviation in Syria has little to do with and addition to the main production plan will not hurt.
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 15 May 2018 11: 49
      +2
      Quote: astronom1973n
      Cool! as much as 32 !!!! And for how short

      this is 2 missiles for 16 Carcasses - 16 EM or Aircraft carriers can be ruined .... for the Far East - this is power ...
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 15 May 2018 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        this is on 2 missiles on 16 Carcasses - 16 EM or Aircraft Carriers can be ruined .... for the Far East is power

        Dreaming! No. Somewhere in the zashashnik I have a "certificate" lying around ..: Soviet "norm" -. 9 (!) X-22 for one aircraft carrier for guaranteed (!) Destruction ... am
        PS This implies a "normal" warhead ...
    3. Svarog51
      Svarog51 15 May 2018 20: 16
      +1
      Greetings "Stargazer" hi I hope not offended?
      Soon we will upgrade the T-26 and IL-2.

      It doesn’t work out, these specimens that have survived are more expensive than rockets. good drinks
  5. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 15 May 2018 11: 44
    +1
    But KSR5 do not want to "upgrade" by chance? Absolutely trouble with TSA for Tu22M3 see ...
    1. just exp
      just exp 15 May 2018 12: 01
      0
      no, the X-32s are already doing; the X-22 was essentially only one big minus - this is its GOS. which was conducted on any interference.
      here the GOS is different. so the X-22 is quite a serious weapon.
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 15 May 2018 20: 19
        +2
        So what will remain of the X-22? If everything is replaced - well, at least there will be an X-22M?
  6. Horon
    Horon 15 May 2018 11: 58
    +2
    On the upgraded X-22, a more powerful engine is installed, at the same time the warhead is reduced and the volume of fuel tanks is increased.

    And if you completely remove the warhead, it will fly for 1500 km! ... There are no words ...!
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 15 May 2018 20: 21
      +1
      Kinetic energy will do its job when it hits a specific object.
      1. Horon
        Horon 15 May 2018 22: 03
        +2
        This is important in the defeat of small targets when using a high-precision guidance system. To defeat a ship with a displacement of, say, 2000 tons, it takes more than a through hole and a minor fire, especially if the trajectory does not go through critical components and assemblies. To inflict the ship as much damage as possible, the corresponding landmine is used. Having exploded inside the ship, taking into account the limited volume, it does the most damage. To shoot steel destroyers even a destroyer (not to mention an aircraft carrier) is a futile business, costly both in time and in the number of these same blanks. If you use a small landmine, you will need fewer hits, and the more landmines the less hits you need to disable the ship. The article says that the warhead will be reduced. And it turns out that if these missiles decided to hunt for boats, then - yes, you need a small landmine, and sometimes normal kinetics are enough. But is it not a little expensive to get a "fly swatter", taking into account all the costs of hitting a boat ?! And nowhere in the article is there an indication that the missile will become highly accurate after modernization! More so far it looks like a cut of money for modernization!
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 16 May 2018 02: 39
          +2
          Well, theoretically, this is so, but in fact - here "vague doubts gnaw me" (c) Remember the Sheffield and the unexploded Exocet. Utop destroyer then. And the X-22 will be larger in size. Accordingly, the consequences will be more critical for the ship when hit. Also the phrase
          In addition, according to him, "the rocket is equipped with a new noise-protected radar-inertial guidance system with radio command correction and reference to the terrain, instead of an autopilot, an automatic control system is installed."
          still suggests that accuracy should be improved.
          Z.Y. But a "river tanker" - how is it? An armored boat?
          1. Horon
            Horon 19 May 2018 14: 08
            +1
            But a "river tanker" - how is it? An armored boat?

            ??? Why does Charon need an armored boat? On the fly, someone wants to claim? recourse I think Hades will mind! lol
            Well, theoretically, this is so, but in fact - here "vague doubts gnaw me" (c) Remember the Sheffield and the unexploded Exocet. Utop destroyer then. And the X-22 will be larger in size. Accordingly, the consequences will be more critical for the ship when hit.

            Here the factor of the place of entry and the organization of emergency measures is important. It is not worth hoping that any large blank will get where it is necessary and the crew will not be able to localize the consequences of this defeat! A miss in a couple of meters and the consequences of a hit can be insignificant, and the ship, although damaged, can remain as a combat unit. The Kh-22 missile is certainly large, but it is not a monolith, they want to reduce warheads, and the tanks will occupy most of its volume, their walls will not cause serious damage by their inertia, the fire from the remaining fuel will give more than the tanks themselves.
            ... that accuracy should be improved.

            Without increasing accuracy, reducing warheads makes no sense. So we will see!
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 20 May 2018 05: 45
              +2
              Why does Charon need an armored boat? On the fly, someone wants to claim?

              Well, what about? Fend off those who have already delivered, and they want to return back. belay
              Here the factor of the place of impact and the organization of emergency measures is important.

              I agree, you can’t argue. But after all, modern ships are by no means armadillos. The likelihood of drowning is much higher, even with a reduced charge.
              Without increasing accuracy, reducing warheads makes no sense.

              So it’s like “brains” and are going to upgrade? Or am I misunderstood something?
              So we will see!

              I am inclined to the same conclusion. good
              1. Horon
                Horon 20 May 2018 22: 22
                +1
                Well, what about? Fend off those who have already delivered, and they want to return back.

                My concern is to transfer them to Cerberus, and then this is his problem! Hercules is no longer drawn to exploits, so now he is not distracted. If you do not tease him, then he is even darling! laughing
                So it’s like “brains” and are going to upgrade? Or am I misunderstood something?

                So I didn’t really understand the specifics of the “brains”. To increase accuracy, it is necessary to improve the guidance and orientation systems of the missile in order to direct the missile not just at the ship, but at its vulnerable parts in the conditions of counteracting the enemy's air defense-missile defense and electronic warfare. Using orientation systems such as GPS or GLONAS, as potential opponents do, is only possible against some Somali pirates or stoned terrorists who are unable to jam signals. Against technologically advanced opponents, such orientation methods are ineffective and will reduce accuracy to nothing. If these problems are not solved, then the rocket will become weaker. I don’t think that they will tell us about real improvements, we can only hope that common sense will prevail over the sense of profit! hi
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 21 May 2018 05: 52
                  +2
                  My concern is to transfer them to Cerberus, and then this is his problem! Hercules is no longer drawn to exploits, so now he is not distracted. If you do not tease him, then he is even darling!

                  Today, the cunning people have gone, but how will Cerberus not follow anyone? Yes, and the deeds of Hercules do not allow many to sleep, but what if it turns out to surpass. wink wink
                  To increase accuracy, it is necessary to improve the guidance and orientation systems of the missile in order to direct the missile not just at the ship, but at its vulnerable parts in the conditions of counteracting the enemy's air defense-missile defense and electronic warfare.

                  So I think that modernization will solve these issues first of all, and only after that - the size of the charge and the flight range. hi
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 16 May 2018 09: 09
          +2
          You are mistaken. Kinetic energy, even without an explosion, is quite enough to inflict at least such damage on a medium-displacement ship that one can forget about the performance of a combat mission - if only not to drown. Even conventional ABs with a caliber of 500-1000 pounds inflicted very serious damage on frigates and destroyers - just read the history of the conflict in the Falklands. They generally wrote about Mosquitoes that kinetic energy is enough to break a frigate. In any case, a hole in the bottom is provided, motors and pumps torn from the foundations, broken pipelines, broken electrical wiring, and then on the list. This is if without an explosion. But, most likely, the warhead will explode for itself, and if instead of 900 there will be 500-600 kilos, then for any ship other than AB, this will be more than enough. Well, unburned fuel is the same explosive.
          So, if it is possible, due to the reduction in warheads, to deliver an electronic warfare station, then PMSM, this must be done.
          1. Horon
            Horon 19 May 2018 15: 03
            +1
            You are mistaken. Kinetic energy, even without an explosion, is quite enough to inflict at least such damage on a medium-displacement ship that one can forget about the performance of a combat mission - if only not to drown.

            I wrote above what conditions it depends on.
            Even conventional 500-1000 pound ABs did very serious damage to frigates and destroyers

            Are you going to sprinkle X-22 missiles on ships as well as air bombs, increasing the chance of getting to critical nodes? I think it will be too expensive a pleasure, taking into account the work of air defense missile defense and ships and probable misses.
            In any case, a hole in the bottom is provided, motors and pumps torn from the foundations, broken pipelines, broken electrical wiring, and then on the list.

            Why is this, of course, a hole below the waterline? A missile can penetrate holes above the waterline, and fall not in the center of the ship, but in the stern or bow. Engines torn from the foundations? And why not immediately missile silos or artillery cellar, so that immediately to feed the fish? Who will guarantee that it is the missile that will hit the ship that will cause him maximum damage? Usually, to destroy a combat unit, much more ammunition is laid out than is actually necessary for a successful defeat. There are not so many of these missiles that, with a serious decrease in the power of warheads, without increasing their accuracy, they can be described as a serious tool in conducting large-scale military operations.
            But, most likely, the warhead will explode completely, and if instead of 900 there will be 500-600 kilos, then for any ship other than AB, this will be more than enough.

            It is not indicated how much it will decrease after the modernization of warheads, therefore, there is really nothing to argue about, although the mere fact of a warhead reduction without a serious increase will indicate bad trends. hi
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 May 2018 11: 58
    +1
    That is, the torment in parts with liquid fuel will continue ... No words, some interjections
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 15 May 2018 12: 08
      +1
      And what is known about the X-32, is it really solid fuel?
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 15 May 2018 14: 45
        +2
        Quote: alexmach
        And what is known about the X-32, is it really solid fuel?

        Exactly the same. It's just that the automation is different and the flight follows a ballistic trajectory in the middle section.
  8. Abram
    Abram 15 May 2018 12: 15
    0
    something here is unclean. the most powerful military-industrial complex of the USSR could not do well, but here the "effective" managers came and promised "2 times further! for only 300 million!"
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 15 May 2018 20: 24
      +2
      How is it "not pure"? Before that, the range was less, but the broads were twice as strong. Nobody canceled the law of conservation of energy. hi
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 May 2018 12: 34
    0
    And rightly so, why is this junk just stored in warehouses.
    Now minor improvements and shoot at the enemy.
  10. Normal ok
    Normal ok 15 May 2018 12: 35
    +3
    X-22 missiles will be back in operation

    Here is the solution to the issue of hypersonic weapons. In the sense that most likely there will be no new, there will be an endless modernization of the old.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 15 May 2018 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: Normal ok
      Here is the solution to the issue of hypersonic weapons.

      Hmm, it’s strange ... In dill, it seems, for hypersound, even the bluebird didn’t stutter in the blue. request
      Quote: Normal ok
      what’s likely to be new,

      That's right. So dill is not necessary - they will break, lose or sell it. yes
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 16 May 2018 04: 04
        +1
        Sasha, severely! good
        So dill is not necessary - they will break, lose or sell it.

        Here below on a branch finally your atas. The whole "Navy Colonel" drew under the nickname E2 - E4.
        I threw him the idea of ​​a flying submarine for the holidays, perhaps by September 1 and collect. lol
        Let's live then! wassat
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 May 2018 12: 47
    +2
    I was confused by the quantity - 32 pieces.
    Is it worth starting a cheese-boron due to a few pieces of old RCC?
    No new? recourse
    1. NN52
      NN52 15 May 2018 13: 07
      +2
      I think it’s impossible to make a new rocket for 9 ml of rubles .. But here modernization and saving, and as a result, 32 new rockets for not very big money .. I think this decision is right .. The disposal of rockets is also not free at all ...
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 15 May 2018 20: 50
        +2
        Dmitry, hi Well, 32 missiles were given for testing and R&D, according to the test results they can expand the program. Something like this. IMHO.
        1. NN52
          NN52 15 May 2018 20: 58
          +1
          Sergey, hello! hi
          Perhaps it is so ... and I didn’t understand the time of 3 years .. will they bring to mind?
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 15 May 2018 21: 06
            +2
            Well, I can imagine the current, I have no exact data. But a very small number is alarming. Not the scale for combat use. 32 is for testing, and then everything is redone - if everything is done in a way. Well, I think so.
            1. NN52
              NN52 15 May 2018 21: 22
              +1
              32 pieces for Truman will not be too much, Serge? Or the whole escort?
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 16 May 2018 02: 49
                +2
                Dmitriy drinks Well, sort of by calculations should be enough. But after all, besides Truman, there are still goals, more than a dozen. Nevertheless, I am inclined to think that 32 is the “first swallows”, and there we will see. Ford and Reagan to Truman than something to be connected? wink
  12. izja
    izja 15 May 2018 13: 01
    +2
    When there is not enough money for the development of new missiles, they begin to give out the old Soviet junk for super-lacking world analogs, sadly. You joke with the Ukrainians themselves that they repainted the missiles and a new development turned out, I see no difference, the same thing here :) regression however. They were written off at one time for some reason, after all.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 May 2018 13: 52
      0
      Seeing the new X 32 turned out to be an expensive pleasure for the Moscow Region, so they decided to repair and modernize the trash. Recently, at the exercises, the Tulip mortar flew into the air when fired, the installations were repaired and put into operation - and the production of new mines did not set up junk from warehouses manufactured by the USSR, they use the same thing with aviation weapons.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 15 May 2018 19: 52
        +2
        Only the upgraded Tu-32M22M are adapted for the X-3. And return to service X-22 under the Tu-22M3. Apparently expensive to upgrade a new Tu-22 missile. So they decided to upgrade the old X-22, it seems cheaper. In general, the X-32 is a deep modernization of the X-22. hi
        1. Rushnairfors
          Rushnairfors 16 May 2018 06: 47
          +3
          Kasym good afternoon. Not quite right write, with your permission I will correct you.
          So. At the moment, the modernization of the Tu22m3 goes in two directions:
          1. Tu22m3 with a short story complex, this complex is sharpened by x32, but at the same time the aircraft loses its ability to use AB, as part of the NBS is removed. The inability to bomb did not suit the military very much, since for all the years of service the aircraft had never used rockets for real purposes, but it was pretty much fought as a bomb (although it was created primarily as a missile carrier). But the novel is pushed by the Tupolevites, and the car goes.
          2. Installing SVP22-3 equipment on tu24m22, while the aircraft is capable of launching x22 missiles and bombing with increased accuracy (well, plus navigation more precisely and a couple of know-how to simplify preparation for departure), but the hephaestus is not able to "work" x32 , and in the near future they are going to take this rocket into service and put into series.
          At the moment, the third version of the tu22m3- with hephaestus 2 equipment is ready. This is exactly the same 22m3m, here the Hephaestos finalized SVP24-22 and at x32 (maybe at x50), the most optimal option is to shoot all types of missiles, throw bombs with high accuracy, so it will take off, see, it will be especially interesting for me to see x50, the troops did not even see her yet, and many did not even hear her
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 16 May 2018 09: 14
            +1
            Thank . And I assumed that such a small amount - just plug the hole until the X-32 appeared. Apparently, here, as in a driving test -All the answers are correct.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 16 May 2018 17: 00
            +1
            Thank you Dmitry! No specialists in any way! Please explain. Old Tu-22 could use AB (before the installation of Hephaestus)? I remember how someone (amateurs) argued with the specialist who flew on it. Specialist wrote that AB only "by eye and nose." Honestly, then I was surprised. It turned out that the Tu-22 was only for the AUG - too highly specialized. Some kind of "nedobomber". hi
  13. Е2 - Е4
    Е2 - Е4 15 May 2018 14: 03
    +1
    Well, finally, my favorite missiles. Today, these missiles are the most powerful in their class.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 16 May 2018 03: 29
      +2
      Well, finally, my favorite missiles. Today, these missiles are the most powerful in their class.

      No words - some letters and those are capitalized. Deuces then fixed everything? And then the holidays are coming soon, and you have to go to additional classes. Otherwise, you will remain in the second year.
      R.S. There is no “colonel” in the Navy - there is a “1st rank captain”, and on the slang - “capraze”.
      "Captain of the voyage" on the seas and oceans walks, not swims.
      A submarine whose Life Is Not Sugar is interested in air-based missiles, like the Hare Primer. The blue epaulettes are worn by aviation, the navy ones have black ones.
      Learn lessons !!!
    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 16 May 2018 03: 44
      +2
      Here - this is for you all summer under command.

      Provided that you fix the debt and are not banned for flood.
  14. Alex_59
    Alex_59 15 May 2018 14: 48
    +2
    This is almost twice - up to 1 thousand km - allows you to expand the range of their application
    She flew without upgrades on 500 km without any problems. Only even in Soviet times, the anti-ship version of the missile was not allowed to reach a range of more than 300 km. Because target designation. Aircraft monopoly sees a large target like an aircraft carrier at a distance of about 300-350 km.
    And in the PSI variant, when firing at a ground target, the norm for this type of missile was to hit square 10 x 10 kilometers with a probability of 0,8. So I don’t know, I don’t know ...
  15. lopvlad
    lopvlad 16 May 2018 01: 10
    0
    New is a well modernized old.
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 16 May 2018 04: 49
      +4
      I read the article and the comments .... I was surprised, especially the commentary. Men, of course, there are couch experts who even have no idea what military aviation is, but there are literate guys. Why didn’t anyone confuse the title of the article and its contents ??? What does "X22 RETURN TO STORY" mean? Where is she now? And when did they manage to remove it from service in the early 2000s? And where and on what storage is it located? The article is a set of heresies !!! X22 for today is the only type of AUR that are in service with the tu22m3. X32 is not yet in service, x50 even more so. The author wrote nonsense, readers supported. Abbidna ches word!
      1. NN52
        NN52 16 May 2018 09: 56
        +2
        Russian Airforce (Dmitry)

        Well you are, no offense ...
        I’m in IA ... with YES and yours X never came across ..
        And you rarely appear ...
        But now everything became clear ....
        1. Rushnairfors
          Rushnairfors 16 May 2018 10: 46
          +3
          Hi namesake, I was on a business trip, I studied for a freelance security guard, so you yourself know, taverns, dances, ladies ... mmm, I was giggling like a lieutenant, I almost got caught off course, of course not before the Military Review was, even forgot the password, thanks to the moderators. The guys studied with me, who visited SARatov and not once. So many told everything .....
          1. NN52
            NN52 16 May 2018 16: 45
            +3
            Dim
            Well then, I won’t remind you of the recent catastrophe of Su 30 .... Which fell into the sea there .... And then you already know for yourself what it was ....
            To be honest, when I found out, I was stunned to say the least ....
            About the back office .....

            And I hope your spouse does not read the forum))) bully
            1. Rushnairfors
              Rushnairfors 16 May 2018 18: 05
              +3
              They told me, yes, the kashniks and in the group wrote to viber (generally fearless), so .... the guys caught a relax.
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