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Again in credit. Russia will provide Indonesia with a loan to buy 11 Su-35

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Russia will provide Indonesia with a commercial loan for the purchase of X-NUMX fighters Su-11, Interfax reported, citing a source in the military-technical cooperation.


Again in credit. Russia will provide Indonesia with a loan to buy 11 Su-35


According to an informed source, Indonesia and Russia intend to sign a loan agreement as part of the contract for the supply of Su-35 fighter jets, the necessary procedures for this are currently underway. He noted that the Russian Federation will provide Indonesia with a commercial, rather than a government loan.

March 1 Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation on military-technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin confirmed the conclusion of a contract with Indonesia for the purchase of Russian Su-35. He noted that the advance from Indonesia has not yet been received. The contract value is approximately $ 1,1 billion.

Su-35 - deeply upgraded super-maneuverable multi-generation fighter "4 ++". According to the company "Sukhoi", it used the technology of the fifth generation, providing superiority over fighters of a similar class.

The distinctive features of the aircraft are the new avionics complex based on a digital information control system, an integrated on-board equipment system, a new radar with a phased antenna array with a long range for detecting air targets with an increased number of simultaneously followed and fired targets, new engines with increased thrust and swivel vector thrust.
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  1. For example
    For example 15 May 2018 10: 28
    +21
    It is better to invest in SU than to buy US bonds. Indonesia will repay interest.

    To the frantic time to shout: "EVERYTHING LOST" lol laughing
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 15 May 2018 10: 30
      +15
      50% price of Su-35 palm oil, 50% loan.

      Good deal for Indonesia laughing . Hindus even traded for every dollar in the billionth contract - but pay in cash.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 15 May 2018 10: 54
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        50% of the price of the Su-35 palm oil50% loan. .

        Do not be naive. Do you think palm oil will be supplied to Rosoboronexport? And our defenders will scratch their turnips what to do with this barter. request It will be immediately sold at the agricultural exchange on the spot, and Russia will already receive live currency. hi
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 15 May 2018 10: 59
          +11
          Yes. But when the Americans sold 24 F-16, they said, roll with your oil. We only need bucks. And the Indonesians made a deal in a special order - only bucks.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 15 May 2018 11: 05
            +4
            Quote: donavi49
            Yes. But when the Americans sold 24 F-16s, they said, roll with your oil. We only need bucks

            Yes, there is some smut. the main thing is to squeeze a segment of such a rather specific market. I still think that Rosoboronexport did the right thing. Further, when the Indonesians sit down on our products, we can already dictate our terms more strictly. hi
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 15 May 2018 11: 18
              +1
              They are already at Su-27SK and Su-30MK. They bought in small batches of 200mln - per contract. Now, by the way, they are repairing it in Baranavichy, because it’s a little cheaper, it’s good at least not in Zaporozhye - it’s even cheaper there lol .
        2. Rostislav
          Rostislav 15 May 2018 11: 17
          0
          That is unlikely. If it were that simple, then Indonesia itself would sell its goods offered by barter and pay with real money. Barter transactions are always extremely complicated - either you are being shoved with an illiquid asset, or the price is being inflated for a popular product.
          Credit and barter can help Indonesia evade sanctions because in this case, the intermediary, and not Rosoborogexport, will act as a party to the contract.
        3. zhekazs
          zhekazs 15 May 2018 11: 30
          0
          Quote: Proxima
          Do you think palm oil will be delivered to Rosoboronexport

          Rosoboronexport will receive rubles = money for the transaction. Insofar as
          The Russian Federation will provide Indonesia with a commercial rather than a state loan.
        4. Stas157
          Stas157 15 May 2018 14: 01
          +2
          Quote: Proxima
          It will be immediately sold at the agricultural exchange on the spot, and live currency will already arrive in Russia.

          You can immediately see the opinion of an experienced person! There is one electronic agricultural exchange in Russia and it is located in the Amur Region. Why does the Far East have so many palm trees? And then, you can’t sell low liquid things HERE and in large quantities. This will immediately bring the price to zero, in the moment. And MO will be left without money.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 15 May 2018 14: 34
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: Proxima
            It will be immediately sold at the agricultural exchange on the spot, and live currency will already arrive in Russia.

            You can immediately see the opinion of an experienced person! There is one electronic agricultural exchange in Russia and it is located in the Amur Region.

            First: Why immediately in the Amur region? Palm oil does not even leave the region and is sold on the local exchange. We already had precedents, including with palm oil. And secondly, I am not saying that palm payments should have enchanted Rosoboronexport, but the relevant structures would have to tinker with it, probably to the detriment of themselves. Palm oil has a slightly lower liquidity than gold or aluminum. The amount of damage will depend on how professionally this structure works. And what do you suggest? Cancel a deal? But probably, the relevant people are more competent than you, sitting on the couch.
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 15 May 2018 13: 45
        +2
        In fact, in terms of PPP industrial production, Indonesia is slightly behind us. And if we, from our 4th place, India, which is in third place, cannot be caught up in the coming years. then Indonesia lags behind us Germans and Japanese not so much and it has chances to overtake us. Including jokes about palm oil are not too appropriate. And she also has money. Thp is quite a promising market that needs to be squeezed.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 15 May 2018 14: 08
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Good deal for Indonesia

        Sure! Only a very good deal for one side, most often does not turn out very good for the other. In this case, exchanging ultra-modern fighters for a palm tree is the same as exchanging gold for beads. One gets the impression that grief managers are trying to conclude a contract on any terms, just to throw off the goods to someone.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 May 2018 10: 31
      +4
      Again in credit. Russia will provide Indonesia with a loan to buy 11 Su-35
      how so .. promised the same palm oil to give ... crying
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 15 May 2018 10: 34
        +4
        Under the current legislation of Indonesia, 50% of payment for goods of national production. The loan is for the second 50% - which should be provided with money.
    3. Chertt
      Chertt 15 May 2018 10: 36
      +12
      Quote: For example
      Better to invest in SU than to buy US bonds

      No, what are you. It’s better to close the plant, and Indonesia should buy planes from the Americans
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 15 May 2018 10: 50
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        No, what are you. It’s better to close the plant, and Indonesia should buy planes from the Americans

        The Americans do not sell new equipment for loans, but palm oils. There is no end to wealth from wealthy buyers - all NATO, Arabs, etc.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 15 May 2018 10: 58
          +2
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          The Americans do not sell new equipment for loans, but palm oils. There is no end to wealth from wealthy buyers - all NATO, Arabs, etc.

          The fact you stated, with reservations I agree with you. So what? Russia to leave the arms market. What is your conclusion?
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 15 May 2018 13: 38
            0
            Quote: Chertt
            The fact you stated, with reservations I agree with you. So what? Russia to leave the arms market. What is your conclusion?

            Change the terms of purchases ... on credit only outdated weapons, which would have been written off anyway. And to supply the latest models of equipment for real money - 24 Su-35s were sold to China. In the end, this work of managers - let them show talents, but everyone can do it on credit, all the more it is completely unclear whether they will give it back, for there are a dime a dozen examples of our generosity.
    4. Glock
      Glock 15 May 2018 10: 37
      +2
      And if you don’t give it back then what?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 15 May 2018 10: 44
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        50% price of Su-35 palm oil, 50% loan.

        But what's the difference. They will give 100% in cash, so Russia still buy palm oil.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 15 May 2018 10: 45
        +5
        Quote: Glock
        And if you don’t give it back then what?

        Then write off! First time or something wassat
        1. figwam
          figwam 15 May 2018 11: 30
          +1
          How many whiners, dear mother ...
    5. Vadivak
      Vadivak 15 May 2018 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: For example
      Indonesia will repay interest.

      Or not give up at all, and forgive, not the first time
    6. Normal ok
      Normal ok 15 May 2018 12: 44
      0
      Quote: For example
      It is better to invest in SU than to buy US bonds. Indonesia will repay interest.
      To the frantic time to shout: "EVERYTHING LOST" lol laughing

      Given that Indonesia is a multi-vector (to put it mildly) country, it’s not so simple wassat
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 15 May 2018 10: 30
    +4
    Not on credit, but as a gift
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 15 May 2018 10: 34
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Not on credit, but as a gift

      Do you have insider information, or so, talk?
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 15 May 2018 10: 35
      +5
      It will turn into a gift in 20-30 years, but for now a loan!
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 15 May 2018 10: 40
        0
        Quote: forty-eighth
        It will turn into a gift in 20-30 years

        For 20-30 years, such a percentage of the loan will run up (plus those services, etc.) that you can give wink
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 15 May 2018 11: 06
          +2
          Which one? Let’s still not align the consumer loan rate in Russia with the world average for interstate loans.
  3. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 15 May 2018 10: 31
    +3
    A great way to invest and load a factory. the state from the beginning pays the factory 100%. and then Indonesia like someday, someday Russia, well, or write off later ...
    * we don’t release pans for that
  4. Valerevich
    Valerevich 15 May 2018 10: 35
    +1
    I also thought that chench on palm oil.
  5. Warrior-80
    Warrior-80 15 May 2018 10: 39
    +4
    Well, what kind of people, one of the Indonesians calls Indians, the other says that as a gift, although it is clearly written that the loan is commercial, that is, banks will lend and not the budget. That people generally offer to leave the arms market, because most buyers of weapons take it on credit
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 15 May 2018 10: 47
      +3
      Banks will then go bankrupt and the state will pour money from the budget into them to "improve the banking system." First time or something
    2. Division DON-100
      Division DON-100 15 May 2018 10: 51
      +6
      And what did you want, like a country after all and terrorist attacks, in the sense of what commentators, such and comments. Or did you expect some adequate ratings from these commentators?
      Normal world practice. Amerzosy shoved their Fu-35s out to everyone, at least on credit, at least as if just to push it and nothing, no one blunders. Well, the fact that a loan can be repaid for everyone, including obtaining certain preferences, is a very tricky idea for their mean brains. We will never be voiced all the details of the contract. Yes, and they’ll do it right, otherwise some commentators will tear the fifth point from tearing the brain ...
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 15 May 2018 13: 40
        0
        Quote: DON-100 Division
        Amerzosy shoved their Fu-35s out to everyone, at least on credit, at least as if just to push it and nothing, no one blunders.

        What credit? What are they, fools or something to give their latest aircraft on credit - only real money, because even so, they are lined up in line fellow
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 15 May 2018 10: 57
      +3
      I just mentioned - in defiance of the Indonesians, India (which they already accuse of being under the United States) - although it trades for every billion dollars, it pays money.

      As for the loan - these are the Indonesians from 2011 to 2018 (real deliveries of 14-18) bought for 750 million dollars, and they made a deal with the exception of 50% of the share of commodity payment, because the Americans set this as a delivery condition (they do not need palm oil and sell they don’t want him either - only Bucks).


      And they are now actively seeking money for another 48 machine. Even Mattis spoke - on the topic, will there be money come, I promise the fastest delivery of cars.
  6. NordUral
    NordUral 15 May 2018 10: 49
    +9
    The scheme is simple, like a Siberian boots. The state (actually an organized criminal group) gives a loan to the buyer at our expense, then delivers a batch of sweets to him (in this case, Su fighting vehicles, really sweets (our pilots lick their lips). The owners of the corporations get a rollback in the form of the “profit” they have made and all of it remains somewhere in the foggy overseas distances.
    We, the people of Russia, are left with miserable crumbs from optimized taxes (if something else needs to be optimized, and doesn’t drain right in the direction I called), and even for technical palm oil (here affectionate aunts and uncles convinced me yesterday from the TV screen that, it turns out, rumors about the share of counterfeit in dairy products are strong, well, very high, but actually do not exceed 12-15% of the total mass. And I just drank tea with a sandwich (loaf of fodder wheat + flavor enhancers and cheese made from palm or hell knows some kind of butter, but not from milk).
    And so on all export positions. Well, and who are we voting for such "our" power? I would write it, but the administration will again impose penance, it’s scary, after all.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 May 2018 11: 22
      +4
      Quote: NordUral
      The state (actually organized crime groups) gives credit to the buyer at our expense

      "Everything is lost!!!" You state loan from commercial distinguish? How much have you personally invested in this loan? In your comment, there are continuous "we", "us", "our" ... Write about yourself and on your own and do not speak on behalf of the whole people.
  7. suhov17
    suhov17 15 May 2018 10: 56
    +4
    No matter what, airplanes, nails or slippers. This is a product and it should be sold.
    Another thing is important. Indonesia can offer as a barter, only palm oil, and now it’s everywhere, even in bread. Those who conclude such deals do not eat these products themselves. So, such products, as always, feed the Russian people until they have a penis on their forehead .
    1. KCA
      KCA 16 May 2018 09: 03
      0
      Do you think that margarine from sunflower oil, which in Soviet times also went into all products, is much more useful than palm oil? All cakes, pastries, cookies - favorite products of children, were made with margarine, now with palm, which is better?
  8. gukoyan
    gukoyan 15 May 2018 10: 58
    +1
    I hope then there will be no such garbage as we have no babos, forgive us a loan ...
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 15 May 2018 11: 53
      0
      forgive for the rollback that goes into your pocket
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 May 2018 11: 02
    +6
    Absurd. Factory productivity is very low. About 2 planes per month.
    If you still sell cash for currency - understandably. You can buy the necessary components
    avionics somewhere in Taiwan for the Su-57.
    But to sell for dark barter and credit, when in the Russian Air Force themselves the Su-35 - with a gulkin nose? belay
    There is some kind of bribe behind this deal. negative .
  10. TAMBU
    TAMBU 15 May 2018 11: 13
    +1
    why not in rubles?
  11. Brigadier
    Brigadier 15 May 2018 11: 20
    +1
    Then Indonesia waves to us with a pen and happily thinks: "Again they lit these suckers ... tongue ".
    Our government will again sigh sadly, habitually write off its debt at a loss to Russia, shrug its hands and say: “We wanted the best, but it worked out as always” ... and begins to look for the next one who would like to buy weapons from us on credit... wassat

    It seems that America itself has suggested to Indonesia how to get us into money ...
  12. nnz226
    nnz226 15 May 2018 11: 23
    0
    Then, as always, we will forgive the debt on loans .... And again, we will be at a loss!
  13. sagitch
    sagitch 15 May 2018 15: 30
    +1
    Yes, have already eaten palm oil! And in milk and ice cream and chocolate and butter in butter!
    After all, there are still a bunch of money buyers! Ministry of Defense, for example!
  14. Е2 - Е4
    Е2 - Е4 16 May 2018 00: 28
    0
    I hope the loan will not be lower than 11-15% in foreign currency, otherwise the meaning is lost