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On the RBC-TV channel we reviewed an interesting topic, here's the transcript, I would also like to hear your opinion on this issue.

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The official newspaper of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, "People's Daily" in an editorial article criticized Russia. According to the Chinese "comrades", the crisis exposed the weakness and vulnerability of our economy. Beijing counted at least six defects in the Russian economic model. At the same time, Chinese officialdom believes that the pace of the reforms carried out by the Kremlin does not correspond to the challenges of the time. Why does China criticize Russia?

Just a few days ago, an article appeared in the main newspaper of China, “Renmin zhibao”, in which the future of Russia and the perspectives of the new president are quite strictly described. So frankly, that is completely unusual for the Chinese style. The question arises: what is the reason for this behavior of the Chinese comrades. On this subject, today we will talk with my guest Alexei Voskresensky - the dean of the faculty of political science at MGIMO.

Hello. What do you say? Why did the Chinese decide so frankly to poke us with our noses in our problems.

A.Voskresensky: Chinese newspapers publish different opinions. In a publication of this kind, I would not see something extraordinary. 6 years ago, in the provincial newspapers, I saw forecasts of the development of Russian-Chinese relations, where roughly the same was said.

M.Hazin: But provincial newspapers are one thing, and an editorial in People's Daily should be read in all garrisons, in all naval crews, in all party cells. Read and study. In fact, the entire Chinese people have been told that Russia is not a serious country. This was also told to us, a couple of weeks before the inauguration of our president.

A.Voskresensky: I would not agree. The article was not offensive. The article contains a statement of well-known facts and problems that our economy is facing. The article is written about the challenges that face the president of Russia.

M.Hazin: But the format is something like this: you have completely failed all previous 15-20 years, now you have such and such problems, and if you don’t solve them, and you don’t most likely solve them, then there will be nothing to talk about. The subtext is this.

A.Voskresensky: I would say that the appearance of such an article rather indicates that the debate is coming to the surface about the place Russia may occupy in the new lineup in the world. Export of resources - there is nothing new in this, there is a positive side for China, because 8 spoke about the need to double the turnover of the Russian Federation and the PRC years ago, bring the billion dollars to 60. So it came to the pre-crisis period, even exceeded 60 billion , and now a little less. All this is due to the fact that resources have risen in price. The problem is that the announced course on modernization by President Dmitry Medvedev is a challenge for Russian-Chinese trade.

M.Hazin: Well, that's the question. China explains quite clearly: the year of the Black Dragon has come, China is taking off, he associates himself with the dragon, he begins to express his geopolitical positions distinctly. China has for many years been the first in the world in the real sector; today, it is likely that it has already overtaken the United States and in terms of formal GDP, if it is considered honest. And in this situation, he agrees with the United States, including the division of the world.
Relevant arrangements, they have been going since the beginning of the 1970s, but now they are getting stronger all the time. And in this situation, Russia begins to behave in a strange way. It seems that during the election campaign she said that she would pursue a certain patriotic policy, after which she unexpectedly opens a NATO base on her territory, creates a certain campaign for the development of eastern Siberia and Primorye, and at the same time in all comments, including officials it is said that investments will be attracted from Japan, Europe and the USA, and nothing is said about China. Is this behavior from the point of view of China a challenge? Who is Russia to make decisions about the political division of the world? That is, either she declares herself a US satellite, with an appropriate response from China, is extremely tough, and the six points listed in People's Daily are a demonstration on which points will be struck. Or it is a fundamental error. That is, China actually puts Russia in its place.

A.Voskresensky: I would not quite agree. Because, according to the figures of industrial production, the difference due to different methods of calculation is approximately 0,2 or 0,3%. In addition, in China, counting methods take into account the production of electricity, water supply, mining, but this is not taken into account in the USA. Therefore, a comparison of economic figures rather reflects ideological or political-economic requests for the challenge of China to the United States. In fact, I think that China is experiencing no less difficulties from the crisis than other countries, it’s just not so obvious, because if consumer demand is reduced, it becomes harder to sell your goods to other countries.

M.HazinA: Indeed, the PRC has very big problems related, in particular, to the fact that the United States sharply reduces the import of Chinese goods into its territory. But China says that it does not care about such an artificial indicator as GDP. He is worried about what is called cumulative power. And in this situation, China has a very strong advantage.

A.Voskresensky: again I do not agree with you. If you look at the calculations of the total power of 1990's, then there are some brilliant American works that show that the total power is exactly in 1990. USSR exceeded the USA. We know what came of it. Therefore, I am more skeptical about such calculations. But I would agree that the discussion about the role of Russia pushes to the idea that if you trade with us only with resources, your contribution to the partnership may be more significant from the point of view of geopolitics. It is not by chance that we see that the Russian Federation more actively supports the PRC in its geopolitical positions than China and Russia.

M.HazinA: China believes that our positions are not symmetrical. We are a small country on an economic geopolitical map, and China is big. It is ridiculous to say that the USSR in the 1970s would seriously attend to the interests of some African country. He had allies within the framework of US opposition, but it was precisely these relations that determined his relations with any African country.

A.Voskresensky: Do you mean Reagan's Upper Volta with Nuclear Missiles?

M.Hazin: At that time it was a direct lie. And today it is true.

A.Voskresensky: it does not quite correspond to reality. Despite the fact that Russia's place in the global economy is really not very big, but the Russian Federation is still not an African country, and so far it remains, and I hope that it will not.

M.Hazin: She is certainly not an African country in anything else. We still have space, atomic energy, but we no longer have engineering schools, science. China lists all this carefully and in detail: the leakage of highly qualified personnel, human capital, the uncomfortable situation, the role of oil and gas in exports is too great, and in the conditions of the economic crisis it will fall, and cannot be compensated by anything from the inside. Well, and so on.

A.Voskresensky: And what, the Russian political elite did not know about these problems?

M.Hazin: I doubt. After all, the elite is a certain organism, because each cell of the organism knows something, does not mean at all that the organism can make some kind of decision. I fully understand the concern of the Chinese. From the point of view of geopolitics, and for China any foreign policy activity is a war, they even have Gosplan as part of the general staff. They have an attitude towards Russia as their potential deep rear. This does not mean that Russia should become part of China. For example, Germany in 1930-s. could well occupy Switzerland, but this is quite purposefully not done. But the problem is that the Russian elite, in principle, ignores the interests of China. The entire Russian elite looks exclusively at the West, their children study in Europe, their capital is kept in the Caribbean offshore, and they ignore China in principle. It seems to me that this is a serious mistake of Russian politics today.

A.Voskresensky: The Russian elite is different, there is one that does not ignore China, which is engaged in the development of the Russian-Chinese partnership. It is important to note another thing - there is a discussion about where China will develop. I would not agree that we should definitely consider China as an expansionist state. In China, there are different concepts. And there is a famous foreign policy concept of harmonious peace, a harmonious environment for China, there are other concepts.

M.Hazin: As I understand it, in China in the near future there is another change of leadership.

A.Voskresensky: Yes, this is a discussion of what the country's course will be next.

M.Hazin: The candidate has already traveled to the bride in Washington, well, this is our bride, China just presented its future leader, Washington’s opinion about this manager is of little concern to him. But after this change happens, what will be the direction? It seems to me that the change will consist in the fact that gradually socialist rhetoric will change to Confucian. That is, it is the policy of the empire, where all those around should regularly come to the court of the emperor, crawling on their knees with gifts.

A.Voskresensky: As far as Confucian, the question is controversial. But I agree with this. The fact is that now we see a revival of the discussion that was going on in our synology in the 1960s, it arose when there was a split between the USSR and China. Then the concepts of imperial China, Chinese-centric concepts appeared. Western Sinology in 70-80-ies criticized the Soviet for the fact that it extrapolates this model to explain all the practices of foreign policy of the PRC. This in the second half of 80-x caused the urgent need to normalize relations with China. We can say that today the discussion resumes. We do not know whether this new China will be a responsible state or it will be a state that will center everyone around it.

M.Hazin: The difference between the socialist model and the Confucian, the socialist model is a red global project, a concept that assumes a global responsibility to the whole world and an offer to the whole world. Also, the United States acts globally with its Western global project. If China turns to Confucianism, then this is a purely national project. Responsibility to non-Chinese will not. This topic does not bother them at all. This is a very important place. I do not exclude that in fact China explains to us that the dreams that the USSR was once a great power should end, there are now two great powers in the world - China and the United States, and you have to decide. And you can decide in one of three ways: either you are in the US support group, and then you are hostile to us, and then excuse me, and then the anecdote about the Sino-Finnish border through 25 years may become relevant. Either you are in our group, to go to Washington, you will need to get permission from the Beijing Regional Committee. Or you radically change the very model of building your statehood, and then you become not a third force, but at least something of a non-aligned movement. Isn't this article a suggestion to decide?

A.Voskresensky: I think that the world is much more complicated than simple visits to one or another regional committee. And Chinese socialism, at least in its version, which was supported by Den Xiaoping, is by no means a global, but rather a national project. Because Deng Xiaoping said that the transitional period of building socialism can last a hundred or more years. Hence his statement is clear: no matter what color the cat is, the main thing is that people live well. It does not matter what the name of this society is, the main thing is that people live well, the main thing is that the Chinese people are good. This socialism is a national project. Another thing is that a departure from the socialist model, but this is not Confucianism, but rather Chinese nationalism, revives the 1960-s debate that today's China is the heir of the old imperial China, or it is something else. If we look at official documents, it says that China will be friends with the whole world. “The epoch of peace and development continues” - we do not see any deviations from this formulation of the Chinese Communist Party. Another thing is that there are various kinds of auxiliary doctrines within the army, or nationalist circles, which provoke such a heated discussion and various kinds of predictions about what China will do.

M.Hazin: If we talk about peace and friendship, then we can note one thing. China adopted the doctrine that it can defend its investments in foreign countries with military forces.

A.Voskresensky: And we have the doctrine of the first nuclear strike.

M.Hazin: Yes, but here it comes, relatively speaking, from Adam. And the maneuvers of the Chinese tank parts, when they rushed for 2 thousand km, where will they tear? They only have 2 thousand km to the Caspian Sea, nowhere else. They won't go north. There are no roads. I would say that this is a very dangerous place.

A.Voskresensky: I still think that the world has overstepped simple realism, a simple confrontation of military forces, because everyone understands that military actions will lead rather to greater losses than any compromises and the possibility of reaching an agreement. From here, let's carefully look at how events will develop in China. I think there should also be a speech of a future leader.

M.Hazin: Soon the congress will be.

A.Voskresensky: Yes, quite right. It will be necessary to carefully read the documents of the congress. No matter how this discussion develops, I do not think that there will be deviations from this cardinal point of “the modern era is the era of peace and development.”

M.HazinA: However, there are questions here, but this is where our program ends. I would like to say a few words that seem very important to me. Speech by the Chinese leadership in the People's Daily newspaper can mean two things. This may be a direct appeal to us, it is a demonstration of China’s discontent with something. It all happened shortly before the G8, the inauguration, before Putin’s visit to Beijing in the framework of the SCO. On the other hand, this may mean a demonstration of a change in the position of China itself. I cannot answer this question exactly yet, and I hope that we will return to this topic.

On this we finish our transfer. Our guest was Alexei Voskresensky - Dean of the Faculty of Political Science at MGIMO. Thanks for attention. Goodbye.
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  1. Goga
    Goga 6 May 2012 08: 03 New
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    It is clear that Khazin, the host of the program, and therefore simply had to ask a few provocative questions. It seems to me that the position and answers of A. Voskresensky are fairly balanced and calm. It’s not very pleasant when our sores are visible to the neighbors, but we ourselves see them, and the fact that the Chinese are not indifferent in which direction we will go says a lot - they need us no less than we need them.
    1. YARY
      YARY 6 May 2012 08: 39 New
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      This is a very interesting article. And the "position" of China, which makes it possible to tentatively indicate, and behind all the "reversals" this is precisely what is hidden, in which direction to develop Russia - says a lot.
      I do not argue that the economy in my country is a humpback, I am impatient of teachers with humps !!! " angry
      1. beech
        beech 6 May 2012 11: 44 New
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        I think that article is not without reason, right now they are sitting in a secret bunker and are developing a plan of attack on us, but they want to prepare the population with an article, so that it would not be a surprise !!
    2. ward
      ward 6 May 2012 09: 53 New
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      Well, we don’t poke China that they have almost all of their exports tied to the USA and Europe ... and if they just increase the duties by ten percent ... the Chinese miracle will leave only memories ... and the latest trends with the return of production home the Chinese also probably don’t please ... the Chinese are probably just an elementary method of distracting from their problems by pouring mud on their neighbors ... and another moment China is such a friend to us ... that a couple more of these and no enemies are needed ... so scold ... that's good ... it means that they stroked it somewhere against the ... that is, for once have respected their interests ...
      1. admiral
        admiral 6 May 2012 11: 12 New
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        The role and weight of China is clearly overestimated in today's world. History does not know a linear development, and in recent years China has developed along a straight line of rise, which means that there will be a recession and considerable. Will China survive it, God knows. China is not suitable for the role of the world empire, it is too specific, but for the role of the peace scarecrow in full. Times are changing ...
        1. mechanic33
          mechanic33 6 May 2012 13: 58 New
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          Quote: Admiral
          The role and weight of China is clearly overestimated in today's world. History does not know the linear development, and in recent years China has developed along a straight line of rise, which means that there will be a recession and considerable


          The undervalued yuan, that's the whole truth about the "economic miracle" in China. Russia is playing by the accepted rules when it joined the IMF in 92

          Under the loan agreement, Russia assumed the following obligations:

          - The Central Bank of Russia maintains the refinancing rate at a level tied to the interbank loan rate;

          - government crediting of production to the government is carried out to the maximum extent possible and at market rates;

          - quarterly and monthly control over the deficit of the consolidated state budget is carried out, its quarterly limit values ​​are established;

          - regional markets for government securities are developing, and savings are mobilized, including the population;

          - consultations begin regarding the obligations stipulated in Article VIII of the IMF Charter, i.e. the introduction of the free convertibility of the ruble on current operations;

          - foreign exchange reserves will be kept at a fairly high level and will amount to at least 11 billion dollars at the end of the financial year;

          - in relations with major creditors, Russia will seek a medium-term restructuring of external debt under control and in close cooperation with the IMF;

          - In the future, a national regime will be established for foreign investors participating in monetary privatization;

          - within the framework of foreign trade liberalization, a reduction in the average weighted import duty to 20% in 1998 and 15% by 2000 should be achieved, consultations were held with the World Trade Organization (WTO).

          1. Goga
            Goga 6 May 2012 14: 23 New
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            mechanic33 - Colleague, the fact of the matter is that Russia is forced to play by the rules written by others for their interests, which means that it is obviously a losing one for us. And China writes its own rules and makes others play by them - so they win (for now). And no matter how much the West squeals about the rate of the Chinese currency, this rate will be the one that is beneficial to China. And for many years now, apart from timid and practically unsuccessful attempts to trade oil for rubles, we have done nothing to increase the independence of our financial system. The volumes of "trades" on our two "exchanges" are ridiculous - it is no coincidence that in "news 24" these figures have long ceased to be voiced - it is simply a shame. At the same time, the statements of our leaders that
            that Moscow can become one of the world's financial centers - they only cause a feeling of "awkwardness" - either they themselves have no idea what they are talking about, or they take us for idiots - neither one nor the other pleases ... request
            1. mechanic33
              mechanic33 6 May 2012 14: 45 New
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              Goga, I agree to all the percentage good
              Now Russia will either confront the West to gain economic sovereignty, or:
              "Sit quietly on the river bank, and the corpse of your enemy will float by."



              although there is a choice:

              “When the rivers freeze, you can still fill the offender’s face to save time”

              wink
              1. Goga
                Goga 6 May 2012 15: 39 New
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                mechanic33 - Greetings, Timothy, thank you for your support drinks And I really liked the purely Russian addition to the ancient Chinese wisdom "+" good
              2. mspredator70
                mspredator70 29 May 2012 18: 29 New
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                Only the rug should be thick, the bottom "well-hatched", and the river bank should not be washed away by the passage of time!
            2. mspredator70
              mspredator70 29 May 2012 18: 27 New
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              Right, a hundred times right !!!
      2. 755962
        755962 6 May 2012 11: 31 New
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        Beijing’s attentiveness to the economic prospects of the Russian Federation is explained by the fact that Russia is a large market for Chinese products, an important source of raw materials for the Chinese economy and a potential place for Chinese investments. It is worth considering this statement as a guide to action, and not take it with hostility.
        1. Winter
          Winter 6 May 2012 12: 28 New
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          Much worse when praised! This is really dangerous. Remember how the Americans praised Yeltsin!
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 6 May 2012 16: 41 New
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            Absolutely right! Moreover, China is a temporary friend. He can swallow Russia and not choke. They squeal, which means they didn't like something. "The ice is broken, gentlemen of the jury!"
          2. mox
            mox 7 May 2012 21: 19 New
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            They "sort out Russia for spare parts" in such an influential newspaper more for the domestic market.
            Increased infusions into Far East, special attention of the state to Siberia and Far East is the basis of Russia's prosperity and security.
      3. mspredator70
        mspredator70 29 May 2012 18: 26 New
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        Even at the beginning of Khrushchev's "thaw", China warned the Soviet Union about where this "thaw" would lead it. ALL: the predictions of the Chinese COME TRUE! There is no reason not to trust China. With all due respect to Khazin - he either does not know history well (which is unlikely), or is offended by the Chinese for something, or he himself "dances to the tune" of those people who dream of pushing us against China.
    3. alatau_09
      alatau_09 6 May 2012 14: 19 New
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      All, with the upcoming Holiday of Great Victory!
      The proposed article shows the complexity of today's geopolitics in general, and Russia's foreign policy priorities in particular ...
      1 - with whom;
      2 - against whom;
      3 - for itself - against the blocs (because for all - the arbitrator will not work).
      China is also not consistent in its foreign policy ...
      1 - wanted to "sit quietly in the shadows" until he "surpassed" everyone in the economy, technology and military power - it did not work out, the crisis "beguiled" ...;
      2 - in 2011. made a curtsy in the direction of the Americans sending his future Chairman to the United States for a "bride" ...
      Russia was forced to draw conclusions ...
      3 - the Americans counted their debts to China and made conclusions - they began to surround China with bases and blocs, drawing in countries that they had previously neglected and had no political relations ... or by transferring secret technologies in military production - the end justifies the means ...

      Against this background, China became worried, tk. the policy of neglect and making Russia a "raw material appendage" and "technological feeding trough" did not work, but on the contrary - it alerted Russia ...
      On the other hand, China can not stand the spenders alone ... and now it is shifting its blunders in relation to Russia to Russia itself - decide who you are? not admitting their mistakes ...
      Russia, in my opinion, can and should unite the CIS countries in the EurAsEC and the CES, create a "third pole" on the planet ... and there are plenty of countries supporting Russia ....

      Sincerely ...
      1. Goga
        Goga 6 May 2012 15: 30 New
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        aiatau_09 Colleague, I support your conclusions "+". Here, below, I already wrote - I repeat - the Chinese can see our problems, no worse than we ourselves and they are calculating the option - and if, as a result of the aggravation of these problems and, as a result, the deterioration of the internal situation in our country, some next anal authorities - and what, a paragraph to China? he is surrounded. This is what they warn us against.
    4. vezunchik
      vezunchik 6 May 2012 15: 18 New
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      Correctly. Criticism must be accepted calmly, which means China is not indifferent to Russia. And without us he would have a hard time1 Thank you, comrades, for constructive criticism!
  2. Schwanzer
    Schwanzer 6 May 2012 08: 12 New
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    I hope our "elite" will hear the Chinese comrades and redefine with whom it is, will tell the people that bl..yad..st ... the NATO base is over, will nationalize everything that has been plundered, will put grabber and bribe takers against the wall, will give the opportunity to work and live for the Russian people. I forgot, I still need to take the medal from the humpbacker in public.
    1. arhipelag
      arhipelag 6 May 2012 09: 35 New
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      That she doesn’t want to listen to her people, what does she care about the Chinese
      1. lotus04
        lotus04 6 May 2012 09: 48 New
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        Yes, they will listen to the Chinese faster than our people. You have to put gas somewhere, otherwise your pockets will quickly empty. And from our people "ELITE" and take it nothing.
  3. patriot2
    patriot2 6 May 2012 08: 15 New
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    The article in the main Chinese newspaper, in my opinion, is a charade for the political leadership of Russia, the future of our country depends on how relations with China and the United States develop. I don’t want to be a country dependent on them. This is not the role that Russia needs. Well, internal problems can be solved and, naturally, not in a year or six years - there is serious work ahead and a long one. Nevertheless, the Chinese "warning" is not the last word.
    1. Winter
      Winter 6 May 2012 12: 31 New
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      Quote: patriot2
      patriot2

      Moreover, none of us saw the article in our eyes, we judge from other people's words. Khazin is a well-known provocateur, his opponent is a smoothing of angles. I would like to get acquainted with the original source!
      1. kulpin
        kulpin 8 May 2012 12: 02 New
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        + Indeed, let's wait for the materials of the Congress, Everything will be there, and black and white, and Medzhu lines. In the meantime, only forecasts ...
      2. mspredator70
        mspredator70 29 May 2012 18: 46 New
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        http://rus.ruvr.ru/2012_03_09/putin/
        Please read!
  4. patriot64
    patriot64 6 May 2012 08: 25 New
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    Our position is really unhappy ... There has long been a shortage of qualified specialists in science and technology. I believe that a scientist should get decent money for his intelligence, and now any fledgling youth aspires to become a merchant, instead of getting a scientific education! But if everyone is a huckster, who will work, who will invent? Money has darkened people's eyes, they can't see farther than their nose! After all, they think, the main thing I have the loot, I can dump when I want and wherever I go, but I don't care about the country! Problem-mountain! Everything from an undeveloped sense of patriotism, from the loss of spiritual values! What are we reading and seeing now? Sheer violence, shows bordering on porn, comedy series with "junkies" - and they are all heroes for the younger generation! But we were taught to be loyal to the Motherland! For the younger generation, Motherland is nothing more than an empty phrase! It is very insulting and bitter !!!! We are losing prestige and doing nothing to reverse the process!
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 May 2012 08: 25 New
    +9
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think China needs long-term allies. China sees how amers behave and how it can end. And the fact that tanks drive on 2000km, we have problems on 200, some hills
    1. patriot64
      patriot64 6 May 2012 08: 39 New
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      The Chinese are careful in their choice of means. Now they are accumulating strength. Yes, they have never been frank and open! I would not be surprised if I learn that secretly from everyone their generals are rehearsing plans to seize the Far East and Siberia. Provocative questions like "Why do you need Siberia?" Nobody lives there! Give it to us! "And it was not for nothing that once our clever heads proposed to build another railway line parallel to BAM, a thousand kilometers to the north, but they were dismissed as if they were annoying flies! And if you block Bam and the Far East will be lost! It's understandable even for a drunken hedgehog!
      1. lotus04
        lotus04 6 May 2012 09: 53 New
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        Yes, this is no longer a secret, rustle in net about their latest exercises, about the quick transfer of troops to a distance of 2500 km. So where are they going to transfer them, and so I think it’s clear.
        1. ksv2011
          ksv2011 6 May 2012 12: 19 New
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          we also have exercises, this does not mean that we decided to get to the English Channel, the Chinese will not pull this war, but you should not relax once!
          1. ksv2011
            ksv2011 6 May 2012 14: 29 New
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            but weakly write the answer, what do you disagree with, what are the disadvantages?
      2. kulpin
        kulpin 8 May 2012 12: 24 New
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        Now they pile on me "minor", but "the truth is dearer". To our great regret, for 400 years we have not been able to not only "digest", but even in the slightest degree to approach Siberia (there is even nothing to stutter about the Far East). We don't even have any intelligible Fleet with adequate basing points and production capacities, and most likely will not. The question is not whether the East will be taken from us or not? (the consequences of the "transport theorem" are obvious), but in this: to whom will we transfer these resources? If Chinese development is allowed and even encouraged, then, of course, there will be no war or occupation by China (no normal Chinese will run around the tundra with a gun). But if surrender to the Westerners begins, then do not blame me, dear comrades. The Chinese Dragon will not allow to have NATO bases on its back. And here we will have both "Great Buryatia" and "Mighty Siberian Khanate" and many other variations.
        Another conversation is that the Nashin "elites" do not care deeply about Siberia in particular, and about Russia in general. Compradors and temporary workers, by definition, it is vital to sell EVERYTHING and NOW. And since nowadays the main running "piece of paper" is the dollar, the direction of the "drain" is also quite unambiguous. "Molan" - so as not to have a catastrophe in the East, it is necessary to drive the pro-Western elite in the neck.
  6. taseka
    taseka 6 May 2012 08: 57 New
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    Dean Voskresensky, as a real "teacher," smoothed out all the burning issues and slightly muddied them - talent!
    Here in this he inadvertently let out"The entire Russian elite looks exclusively at the West, their children study in Europe, their capital is kept in Caribbean offshore areas." Then the question? Naheher us this corrupt elite !!!! She is the first to hand us over to both the Amers and the Chinese !!!
    1. El13
      El13 7 May 2012 18: 53 New
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      Well, let's put this provocateur Khazin said ...
      She is an elite, and who can do anything with it? You can?
      1. ward
        ward 7 May 2012 19: 06 New
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        Unfortunately, I will not tell you for the whole world ... but in Russia we have a place to have an altimetry approach in determining the elite ... that is, a rude group of people calls themselves an elite, not being one ... and the most interesting is that this group is slowly moves to London ...
    2. speedy
      speedy 7 May 2012 19: 04 New
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      Perhaps you are not well informed, and this is not advertised. but many representatives of the current elite (mainly former colleagues of the current president) teach their children exactly Chinese, considering it is promising precisely this direction - China and Southeast Asia. Our current government is not suckers and not majors and children are taught what is needed. I’ll clarify - I do not mean the kosher elite, but the one that came with Putin. And I congratulate Vladimir Vladimirovich with foreign culture, health, wisdom and all the best!
      1. ward
        ward 7 May 2012 19: 14 New
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        All this reminds me of a popular joke forty years ago ... to a question ... and hands ... the answer ... and their eyes were stretched out with their hands ...
  7. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 6 May 2012 10: 13 New
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    I don't like them, these little yellow men ... They are no less an enemy than the United States. Only more sneaky and cunning. Here, they are already starting to talk to us on "Re". Dragons with a comb ... laughing
    1. Winter
      Winter 6 May 2012 12: 33 New
      +8
      Behind these yellow little men an eye is needed! Nimble as hell!
      1. apro
        apro 7 May 2012 16: 05 New
        -2
        Who will look after the Russians?
      2. kulpin
        kulpin 8 May 2012 12: 29 New
        0
        Of course they are nimble. Life makes them hardworking. They cannot afford the luxury of "wallowing on the stove" and organizing "burrowing revolutions".
  8. basal
    basal 6 May 2012 10: 25 New
    13
    And why does everyone stubbornly believe that China without Siberia, well, can’t sleep peacefully? Many do not even try to think, why do they need it?
    Russia is the strongest militarily country. The strongest, because there is no country capable of defeating Russia and not be destroyed at the same time. Comparable forces of the United States and China have not yet proved to anyone their ability to win military victories. I hope there are not many people who do not understand that the United States is able to win only propaganda wars, while China does not at all.
    Back to Siberia. Why is it for China?
    Territory? But the Chinese do not live in such a climate. They should expand the living space for the Uyghurs and Manchu? Do they need it? There are enough problems with them.
    Resources? So is China's interest in increasing trade with Russia. Paradoxically, it is more profitable for China to buy resources than to seize.
    Great glory? Well, who will receive fame, and who is Lyuli, it was found out at the very beginning.
    Any other arguments? I do not have...
    1. Yndyrchi
      Yndyrchi 6 May 2012 11: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: basal
      Back to Siberia. Why is it for China?
      Territory? But the Chinese do not live in such a climate.

      - Apparently, you yourself are not from Siberia. Otherwise, it would be enough to stick your nose out into the street to run into a Chinese. The only exceptions are ZATOs like Norilsk.
      Regarding the climate, it is no worse than us - in their northern provinces people are very hardy and accustomed to cold weather.Many say that in childhood, while studying at a boarding school, they slept right on the ground, and in the mornings, the water in the basins froze.

      Quote: basal
      Russia is the strongest militarily country. The strongest, because there is no country capable of defeating Russia and not be destroyed at the same time.

      This has already been discussed: for the use of nuclear weapons it is necessary to have political will and independence. And when your assets and bank accounts are in the territory of the attacking country, using such weapons is like throwing your money and property on fire with your own hands.

      Quote: basal
      Comparable forces of the United States and China have not yet proved to anyone their ability to win military victories.

      Everything once happens in the first. It is not the armies that win in wars, but industry. We don’t have it.
      - Walking through the woods with a bare backside, it is not worth assuming that mosquitoes do not bite him because only last time you were wearing thick pants.

      Quote: basal
      It is more profitable for China to buy resources than to seize.

      It is most beneficial not to spend what you have earned, but to give work to your citizens, whose unemployed are most of all our population, and provide them with living space. Therefore, and much more, many of our territories in their maps are designated as land that previously belonged to China.
      1. ksv2011
        ksv2011 6 May 2012 11: 28 New
        +3
        I live in Siberia in the Kuzbass, the Chinese do not justify that they are soft fluffy, but we only hang out in the Chinese market, and they can’t be seen in the city!
        1. Yndyrchi
          Yndyrchi 6 May 2012 11: 37 New
          +1
          But why will they stagger around the city? They have one goal - to earn money, they have time to spend on reeling, go, there is no time.
          1. ksv2011
            ksv2011 6 May 2012 11: 44 New
            +2
            correctly earned money and dumped in his China and all!
            1. kulpin
              kulpin 8 May 2012 12: 39 New
              0
              And indeed, CORRECTLY. Pay attention to the yantra of the mandala. This is such a scheme of the universe: a circle inscribed in a square. Square - Earth. Circle - Sky. A circle squared is the projection of Heaven to Earth, i.e. Celestial. There, in the Celestial Empire, dragons live, sages fly in the clouds and a pill of immortality brews ... But in the corners where there is no Heaven, there live Northern and other barbarians ... with all the consequences.
        2. ksv2011
          ksv2011 6 May 2012 11: 40 New
          -1
          about the industry! tanks, planes, rockets are made by us, but you won’t get much to do with the Chinese consumer goods!
          1. smile
            smile 6 May 2012 14: 27 New
            +7
            ksv2011
            Chinese exports of weapons and military equipment - according to your consumer goods - make up 5-6% of the world. Equal or slightly higher than the UK. This consumer goods are bought by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. Exports have a steady upward trend. The number of importing countries is steadily increasing. They build aircraft-carrying ships, practically built an URO destroyer with a system similar to Aegis ..... (we-no)
            Are you still sure that you won’t be at war with their consumer goods?
            1. ksv2011
              ksv2011 6 May 2012 14: 57 New
              0
              and who saw the export in business and the quality of this export is significant, they still buy engines for fighters from us, the whole problem is the price, because no one needs it for nothing, I recently bought a bluetooth headset that is purely factory-made, it doesn’t catch 5 meters, and before that it was JABRA 20 meters easily, bought at a price!
              1. ksv2011
                ksv2011 6 May 2012 15: 29 New
                0
                here the states prokladyvayut about this is a problem, but about the Chinese, too, do not forget!
              2. smile
                smile 6 May 2012 17: 48 New
                +4
                ksv2011
                I do not believe that rich countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have acquired, for example, stupidity or poverty, for example, Chinese self-propelled gun mounts. They have nothing to choose from? Yes, they blink, around sellers with a taunting look lined up ...
                Of course, while Chinese weapons and military equipment have complaints about the quality. That is why while the Chinese have spread their exports to a third of Africa, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc. ... But you look at the dynamics of their development and you will not be at all funny.
                Even during the time of our Afghan war, their TT pistols, supplied by the bearded, worked about eight stores and all, a kayuk. The machines were about the same and were several times cheaper on the market. than ours.
                Now the situation has changed. And cardinally. So you don’t have to laugh. It is necessary to think.
                1. ksv2011
                  ksv2011 6 May 2012 18: 29 New
                  +1
                  but no one does not say that the Chinese are in the same place, but they didn’t catch up only with military technology, they lagged behind us in the auto industry for about 15 20 years, and copying stupid and not knowing the technical composition is not serious, gun mounts are not an indicator!
                  1. smile
                    smile 6 May 2012 19: 00 New
                    +5
                    ksv2011
                    Yes they are behind. So you say, 10-15 behind. For some indicators, yes, for some we go head to head. You’ll be upset (I’m so upset), but in some ways they overtook us. But ten years ago they were forty years behind us. Didn’t you notice the trend? And export growth from scratch does not occur. I repeat, they reached 5-6% of world exports, although recently they were enough only for the supply of crappy light weapons to Afghan psychos. Believe me, these are big numbers and they say a lot ..
                    1. ksv2011
                      ksv2011 6 May 2012 20: 18 New
                      +2
                      Vladimir, I’m not saying that they, for example, live in Egypt like in the Stone Age, they advance little by little in technology, but ours don’t sit either, they made a T50 fighter, an armored tank is approaching, + they’re modernizing old equipment, so we don’t have everything badly!
                      1. smile
                        smile 6 May 2012 21: 29 New
                        +3
                        ksv2011
                        I agree that we are not standing still and woke up. I do not belong to those who howl, they say everything is lost, we have the worst! On the contrary. But I believe that we have very little time left. including for arrangement of protection of the Far East. It is much simpler and cheaper to prevent an attack, by identifying our potential, they themselves will realize that they will receive unacceptable damage. than then bludgeon over their territory TNW and close embrasures with their bodies.
                      2. ksv2011
                        ksv2011 6 May 2012 22: 08 New
                        +2
                        now there is a rearmament, not at the pace that we would like, well, all the same, there’s better than nothing, I think we’ll have time, although I agree that time is running out, the industry is growing little by little!
                      3. kulpin
                        kulpin 8 May 2012 12: 46 New
                        0
                        As long as there are TNWs in the required quantity, there will be no need to "bludgeon" on its territory. But if the next "lawyer in the presidency" signs some piece of paper about "reduction and restriction", then - kerdyk.
                    2. kulpin
                      kulpin 8 May 2012 12: 42 New
                      0
                      In single "exhibition" samples? Of course, "not bad" is a disaster.
          2. Goga
            Goga 6 May 2012 15: 03 New
            +4
            smile - Colleague, do the Chinese have staff "on the tail", and in this situation aggravate relations with us? The Chinese can be blamed for anything but stupidity. In the Asia-Pacific region, a global confrontation between the United States and China is unfolding, which already requires China to exert significant forces and means. In this situation, it is vitally important for them that our country takes their side, or at least does not support the "West" - China does not want to receive a stab in the back from us. And if our "sores" (which they see no worse than us) are not eliminated, then theoretically this could lead to a change of cabinet in our country - and now imagine for a second - did not qualify for these elections, and suddenly, with a possible deterioration of the situation, it will come out in the next ? What next anal will we have in power - and what, a paragraph to China? he is surrounded. This is what they warn us against.
            1. smile
              smile 6 May 2012 16: 30 New
              +2
              Goga
              Basically, I agree. But I doubt very much that the p_dos, who had been gathering forces for more than six months to attack Iraq, would generally decide to conduct continental operations against China. They will not benefit from it. If the Americans for so many years of unhappy North Koreans are not going to gouge. That China is just too tough for them. The situation looks suspiciously like the summer of 1939, don’t you?
              1. Goga
                Goga 6 May 2012 17: 03 New
                +3
                smile - Colleague, I'm not talking about military operations, we are talking about "puffing up the cheeks" - what is called confrontation - p_ stan drives an increasingly powerful fleet into the Asia-Pacific region, calls into Australia with its bases and so on - all this with the aim of identifying China - who is the "boss" here so that the Chinese partners "frightened" by the US military might become more accommodating in economic (financial) matters. China is sharply doubling its military budget, how it can develop modern weapons, rivet warships and all this in order to show the states - "we are not afraid" and therefore we will not accept the economic dictate of the United States. All this requires a lot of manpower and resources, China has just begun to be designated as a comparable enemy with the United States, and Russia's transition to the side of the n-owls would sharply throw the Chinese away from the much-desired "parity" with "partners."
                And about 1939 - a completely justified analogy (on a different level, of course - nuclear weapons and missiles ...) when the Armed Forces are so "pumped up", someone who is catching up may well have a thought - is it possible that the "partner" is developing its Armed Forces too quickly? and they can catch up, or even overtake them - and while this has not happened, they must be "fucked" now, otherwise it will be too late .... There is such a danger, as in 1939.
                1. smile
                  smile 6 May 2012 17: 36 New
                  +1
                  Goga
                  In this context, I agree unconditionally.
                2. Bear52
                  Bear52 6 May 2012 19: 59 New
                  +1
                  Colleagues, then another analogy suggests itself, IMHO:
                  - we are so scary, "inflated" - go pick up - hello to butt with Russia ... but better not with us am Seem to be?! winked
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 6 May 2012 11: 43 New
      +5
      Fighting the Chinese is troublesome
      Simple arithmetic:
      If, God forbid, start a war
      with China, and kill them by
      a million (!) a day, then for a year
      you can kill a total of 365
      million Chinese that
      approximately 25% of the total
      the population of China, and
      almost equivalent
      annual birth rate of this
      country... winked
      1. ksv2011
        ksv2011 6 May 2012 11: 50 New
        +5
        this process can be accelerated, for this we have tactically nuclear weapons!
        1. Winter
          Winter 6 May 2012 12: 37 New
          +5
          If we discard women, old people and children, we’ll manage for six months!
          1. ksv2011
            ksv2011 6 May 2012 13: 11 New
            +5
            can be accelerated if ballistic missiles are connected, but I think it won’t work!
            1. smile
              smile 6 May 2012 14: 57 New
              +6
              Colleagues
              I hope no one has forgotten that the Chinese have ballistic missiles and tactical nuclear weapons, do they have INFs that we don’t have? And if they cut the only railway line connecting the Far East, then what will we do?
              I'm not an alarmist, but I guess. that they should be taken seriously and serious measures should be taken to neutralize the "Chinese threat"
              1. ksv2011
                ksv2011 6 May 2012 15: 13 New
                +2
                not really when the Chinese cross the border, we will go gray and wait for them to reach the railway, but you won’t reach it on foot and there is no steppe so that several thousand tanks pass in a few hours!
                1. smile
                  smile 6 May 2012 16: 40 New
                  +4
                  ksv2011
                  A dozen competent sabotage groups dispatched during the threatened period (or re-mothballed) will completely cope. Their poachers regularly cross the border like across the road. I hope you even understand that among the Chinese citizens living abroad of their blessed homeland, the roots of the Chinese special services have very deeply taken root. Including military intelligence. And with the degree of corruption that we have today (yes, look at the bog liberals at least) ........ they will be able to cover our piece of iron very well. By the way for a very long time and not necessary. Believe me, it’s a shame for me to write this, but you have to be realistic.
                  1. ksv2011
                    ksv2011 6 May 2012 17: 27 New
                    +3
                    agree smile, but saboteurs still can’t solve all the problems, something is necessary, and by then the desert will remain from the whale, I think our intelligence also does not sleep, so it’s not profitable for the Chinese!
                    1. smile
                      smile 6 May 2012 21: 50 New
                      +3
                      ksv2011
                      Sergey, our intelligence could not even open the Georgian air defense system, and here China. Further, the forces and means of the Chinese deployed in the border districts are now several times higher than all that we have in the Far East (tens of times in some indicators). Considering that transport aviation died in us, I’m not sure what we are going to do. The piece of iron simply will not be able to cope with the necessary traffic volumes. even if she isn’t torn somewhere in the taiga in two dozen places.
                      The use of nuclear weapons is a very responsible matter, they will be used only when they understand that otherwise - an amb. But in my opinion, they will be hollowed over their territory occupied by Chinese troops - if given over China. then the answer will come and quite significant. We them, of course. in the end, we’ll break it ... but in what form will we leave this brawl ourselves?
                      So, I hope that the Chinese, like the Japanese before, will adhere to the strategy of "ripe persimmon" - they will wait.
          2. smile
            smile 6 May 2012 16: 51 New
            +6
            Winter
            Well, they made fun! (I'm without malice) I could - would put ten pluses - for the humanism of Russian women! :)))))))))
            The Chinese really do not shine!
          3. late
            late 7 May 2012 20: 08 New
            +1
            What are you talking about! We’ll manage, Yoshkin’s cat, to kill 365 million Chinese every year ... Bearing nonsense, it’s not even funny. For people like you, the Vologda Kuvshinovo cries.
    3. Goga
      Goga 6 May 2012 14: 48 New
      +4
      Yndyrchi - A colleague, I am from Siberia, specifically Ulan-Ude - and something we have Chinese in the streets do not go in crowds. Now even in the summer season their construction sites are much less attractive than five years ago.
      The northern provinces of China are not populated more densely than our Siberia, well, they have no climate here, and there are not so many Manzhurs, Mongols, Uighurs and other not-so-numerous peoples of the "Han". Do not frighten us with the "yellow" threat and help those who are trying with all their might to provoke a gap between our countries. However, the mongrels bark, and the caravan is on its way - recently joint exercises, an agreed, joint position on international issues - all this haunts our "partners". And on Siberia, on a completely different side, "they put an eye" - in the states constantly "stuffing" occurs on this topic, and for cover, of course, they try to blame everything on the Chinese.
    4. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 6 May 2012 17: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Yndyrchi
      Obviously, you yourself are not from Siberia. Otherwise, it would be enough to stick your nose out into the street to run into a Chinese. The only exceptions are ZATOs like Norilsk.

      I'm from Siberia, I need to look for a Chinese on the street
      Quote: Yndyrchi
      With regard to climate, it is no worse than us - in their northern provinces, people are very hardy and accustomed to cold weather.

      And in China, I’m in, the climate is much better than ours, in Mongolia it’s terrible, and in China, including the northern climate is better
      Quote: Yndyrchi
      This has already been discussed: for the use of nuclear weapons it is necessary to have political will and independence. And when your assets and bank accounts are in the territory of the attacking country, using such weapons is like throwing your money and property on fire with your own hands.

      Russia has repeatedly opposed a stronger enemy, and nuclear weapons are unacceptable here, even the ordinary forces of Russia are capable of causing unacceptable damage to the enemy, of course, through general mobilization and high losses due to the intellectual and often moral weakness of many officers, but to belittle the Russian army with its experience and traditions stupid, appeals to our nuclear weapons are often more bravado of those who do not want to admit that they are not able to take us in such a state, verification in the Caucasus and Georgia showed this
      Quote: Yndyrchi
      It is not the armies that win in wars, but industry. We don’t have it.

      This is a myth we never really had it and in World War II we lost to Europe in industry
      Quote: Yndyrchi
      It is most beneficial not to spend what you have earned, but to give work to your citizens, whose unemployed are most of all our population, and provide them with living space. Therefore, and much more, many of our territories in their maps are designated as land that previously belonged to China.

      The question is the cost of joining, too many have already gone bankrupt in this
    5. basal
      basal 6 May 2012 20: 47 New
      +2
      Well, if for you any cross-eyed and came from China = China, then yes, the argument is iron. But in order to be aware that China is a multinational state, like Russia, only, unlike Russia, the peoples of China, in the vast majority, belong to the Mongoloid, or, if you understand, the yellow race. Now let's see the demographic map of China (google to help). The vast majority of the population lives in the Yangtze and Yellow River interfluves, as well as on the southern and northeastern (to Nanjing) coast. Moreover, the Han people are settled here - the native Chinese. The remaining 2/3 of China are deserted by their standards. Well, why do they also need Siberia?
      At least try to turn your head on and not argue at the level: - Here, the Chinese in our market do not freeze (although these Chinese are most likely Uyghurs, or someone else from the northern peoples, and maybe even the Mongols tongue )
    6. Don
      Don 7 May 2012 13: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Yndyrchi
      This has already been discussed: for the use of nuclear weapons it is necessary to have political will and independence. And when your assets and bank accounts in the territory of the attacking country,

      There are no Russian assets in China.
      Quote: Yndyrchi
      It is not the armies that win in wars, but industry. We don’t have it.

      What are you? This is how it turns out. And where is it interesting that I go on business trips to factories? Before you talk nonsense, learn the economy of your country.
      1. ksv2011
        ksv2011 7 May 2012 16: 53 New
        +1
        Don completely agree with you! ********************************************* ******************
  • S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 6 May 2012 11: 03 New
    +6
    It would be much more interesting to read the Chinese article itself, well, they would give it in quotation marks, and then they reasoned. I wonder what such internal problems indicated by the Chinese so hurt our media.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXRVyyRsnvI&feature=g-vrec
    1. Winter
      Winter 6 May 2012 12: 39 New
      +5
      Our newspapers write such disgusting things that if the Chinese simply reprinted it, they would have to declare war on them!
      1. smile
        smile 6 May 2012 14: 42 New
        +6
        Winter
        I’m afraid that Chinese school textbooks, in which the territory of our entire Far East is painted on a map with a color different from the rest of Russia and marked as a territory torn away from China, and cities starting from Vladivostok have exclusively Chinese names - this is somewhat more serious and more dangerous than the worst remarks in our (you are right) rather nasty press.

        And the methods of military construction, unfortunately, suggest that the KPA is being prepared exclusively for large-scale continental operations at a great depth (we will leave the development of the fleet for now). They have nothing to catch in the Himalayas with their tank divisions, and in Vietnam they are unlikely to climb .. There is no point. They simply have nowhere to grow except for us and Kazakhstan. At least this alone is very alarming, and, in my opinion, makes us treat the Chinese with caution.
  • Yndyrchi
    Yndyrchi 6 May 2012 11: 47 New
    +2
    In the article itself, only what Khazin said is of interest.
    You don't have to read Voskresensky at all - it's all the usual for the establishment "everything is calm in Baghdad." Last time, one such person also proved to Khazin that there was no crisis, but it turned out that it had been going on for half a year.
    It is very good that among the Jews there are such decent people and patriots of our country as Mikhail Leonidovich.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 6 May 2012 15: 25 New
      +1
      Well. Kozyrev school is alive. yes and respect to Khazin!
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 6 May 2012 11: 52 New
    +6
    I think China, with its characteristic oriental cunning, is beginning to seriously “probe” how far it can go in its future claims.
    Most likely today he makes it clear that it is better for us, on the thin and weak legs of the current Russian economy, not to resist. Russia is not the USSR. Modern China is already a superpower.
    What I read between the lines - we are far behind, we are not a great empire, we make gross mistakes in the economy, we are not ready to correct the situation, we will have to yield and retreat.
    What a signal for the people of China. Russia is weakened and without changing the development model, it will continue to weaken. This is a hint of future victories. Some background for a victorious mood.
    The Chinese know how to wait, but the time will come when they begin to act.
    A lot will depend on us, our choice and understanding of responsibility for the future of the country.
    1. ksv2011
      ksv2011 6 May 2012 12: 06 New
      0
      I didn’t understand what we are weak in Chinese consumer goods, if you refuse to buy it, then their economy and five years will not live, their economy is tied to exports, theirs has slowed down due to the crisis!
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 6 May 2012 12: 11 New
        +4
        ksv2011
        You better read their article, there is a description of the points in their understanding.
        In general, it all boils down to the fact that Russia has several big problems that hinder its development and make it weak.
        Good luck!
        1. ksv2011
          ksv2011 6 May 2012 12: 55 New
          -2
          no one doesn’t say that everything is fine with us, but the Chinese also have problems no less than ours, like natural resources, for example, we need to sell them and they need to buy them, and this is the most important problem, even Hitler had a problem with it , you just need to really look at this, and that there are many Chinese and the economy is better, this does not mean that you need to shake, you need to dress this crowd, put on shoes, feed them and give everyone at least an automatic machine!
          1. Don
            Don 7 May 2012 14: 06 New
            0
            Quote: ksv2011
            Oh and the Chinese also have problems no less than ours, as natural resources

            In terms of coal reserves, China ranks third in the world, in terms of brown coal reserves - third in the world, in iron ore reserves - third in the world, and in natural gas production - sixth. Do you think this is a small amount of resources?
            1. ksv2011
              ksv2011 7 May 2012 17: 06 New
              +1
              Don agrees for peacetime is normal, but small for war, for the 5 millionth army it hides so fast, and tanks do not drive on coal and gas!
              1. Don
                Don 7 May 2012 18: 04 New
                +2
                Quote: ksv2011
                Don agrees for peacetime is normal, but small for war, for the 5 millionth army it hides so fast, and tanks do not drive on coal and gas!

                As far as I know, the PLA has 2 million 250 thousand people. They are also going to reduce their army a little. According to oil reserves of China in 12th place. The threat from the PRC is real, especially if economic instability begins in the PRC, and also when the regime changes, but this time is still far away.
                1. ksv2011
                  ksv2011 7 May 2012 18: 40 New
                  +2
                  Don’s right, this time is far away, but we don’t even sit in pears, we’re joining the rearmament armies, so we’ll be in time by the time the Chinese ripen, and then it’s too late for the Chinese, and the Chinese are not fit for life as a world military leader, their Japanese drove and cut and they had nothing they could not mutually answer!
                  1. Don
                    Don 8 May 2012 10: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: ksv2011
                    but we, too, do not sit pears, do not slander, goes to the rearmament armies, so we will be in time by the time the Chinese ripen

                    Already, USC East is able to repel attacks. Strong air defense, the largest group of 9 motorized rifle brigades, 1 tank brigade, 1 cover brigade, 2 air assault brigades, 1 GRU special forces brigade, 3 missile brigades, 1 rocket and artillery brigade, 2 artillery brigades, 1 machine gun artillery, 2 artillery divisions separate flamethrower battalion. It would not hurt to rearm, of course, with new armored vehicles, otherwise until now, only BMD-1 remains in the USC Vostok. USC South is reequipping in full swing, we hope that USC East is reequipping. That Ka-52 arrived last year.
  • Railways
    6 May 2012 12: 08 New
    +1
    China invariably adheres to the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries - one of the basic principles of Chinese foreign policy.
    And here in one of the main Chinese newspapers such an article. Suspiciously am
  • Opertak
    Opertak 6 May 2012 15: 10 New
    +1
    The situation is simple - China is preparing for a tough confrontation with the United States and needs a solid rear in the form of Russia, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs (at the suggestion of Medvedev), as a prostitute, is spinning backwards - on the one hand, it is increasing confrontation with the United States over missile defense, and on the other it falls under NATO. This article in the People’s Daily is just a lice test for our management - decide who you are with in Russia.
    PS And I would not advise our leadership now, playing on the contradictions between China and the United States, to try to bargain for Russia for one simple reason - the world has entered an active phase of redivision and the winner will get everything. Therefore, we must clearly determine who we are. Or become an independent participant in the repartition and then water both the USA and China. Incidentally, I am for the last option.
    1. Goga
      Goga 6 May 2012 15: 48 New
      +3
      OperTak - Colleague, basically agree with you "+", really only being an independent full-fledged player in the world arena can Russia defend its interests, but it is not necessary to "kill" someone for this, except in the economic sense wassat
      1. Opertak
        Opertak 6 May 2012 16: 02 New
        +2
        I didn’t mean military operations. Watering politically, economically and, most importantly, culturally. In ideology, we are losing a lot now, unfortunately, both to the USA and China.
        1. Goga
          Goga 6 May 2012 16: 18 New
          +2
          OperTak - Vladimir, - full "+". Time would not be wasted - have time to get stronger.
          You very rightly noticed - the MAIN thing is in the cultural, and we have what films about our grandfathers-winners are being shot ... (yesterday on the site about NTV and Guskov) - it is necessary to drastically change approaches to culture and ideology without looking back at the liberal "values" of common people - otherwise we will not resist.
          1. Opertak
            Opertak 6 May 2012 18: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Gogh
            sharply need to change approaches to culture and ideology


            In our society, there is still a great demand for moral health and patriotism. It is necessary to change the top (cultural and ideological), which, contrary to the opinion of the majority of our people, strives to direct the whole matter of education in the mainstream of crap and pedi ... in the sense of liberalism. I think that this change will happen soon. It cannot but happen, because the world is being sucked into such a mess that a shitty sleigh won't get you far. Just as Stalin, in his famous speech, turned to the History of Russia, recalling both Prince Pozharsky and citizen Minin, Saints Alexander Nevsky and Dmitry Donskoy, so Putin will soon have to recall Soviet History. This time is not far off, then the "TV artists" will catch up. I think so.
            1. Goga
              Goga 7 May 2012 07: 13 New
              +2
              OperTak - That's right, Vladimir, we won't clean up all this abomination that has stuck in the media - we will completely lose the next generation. The Chinese, no matter what they say about them, are a wise people - they have "blocks" on the Internet (neither porn nor other abomination) and recently puzzled their television - only 30% of the time are entertainment programs, the rest is information and educational programs. That's it, but we have everything "freedom of speech ...".
              About education, while profursenko, I don’t want to talk ... angry
            2. kulpin
              kulpin 8 May 2012 13: 04 New
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              "Advocate" in his demobilization chord already remembered. For a long time, the orders have not been dishonored.
  • Fox 070
    Fox 070 6 May 2012 15: 45 New
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    taseka,
    Quote: taseka
    Then the question? Naheher us this corrupt elite !!!! She is the first to hand us over to both the Amers and the Chinese !!!

    Do you seriously think that we have not yet surrendered? Handed over with all the giblets! For the sake of the safety of their deposits, people sold weight, according to the principle: "I'll snatch now, and then even a flood." Honestly, I had a serious hope for Putin, but something began to melt! Let's see what the first 100 days of his presidency will be like. In this regard, I would like to wish myself and all of us GOOD LUCK! I would not like to be disappointed ...
    1. ksv2011
      ksv2011 6 May 2012 15: 54 New
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      one hundred days is small and in three months you won’t do anything, three years is normal then you can judge by deeds!
      1. kulpin
        kulpin 8 May 2012 13: 11 New
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        The NSDAP from the 33rd to the 39th not only raised Germany from the collapse of the Great Crisis, but also built the best science and industry in Europe (and in the world), which hardly put the whole world on krack. The CPSU (B) did about the same - from the "peasant paradise" with an earthen floor to the vigorous bomb and Gagarin. But these are NEW TYPE parties. It is one thing to talk about "modernization", it is quite another to carry out a real mobilization project.
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 6 May 2012 17: 31 New
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    The discussion of whom Russia is not serious for, Russia will strangle the one who will weaken because it remains a player and plays for itself (meaning for its elite, like all the big players), because the intrigue and the USA and China know this, and about missile defense the conversation began China is investing in the Far East, but Russia needs Europe, not Russia as part of the EU with allowances and handouts, but a full-fledged role in managing and making decisions by its own elite and its powerful market. For a long time, Putin said that the Russian market is expensive and you will have to pay with real money and not promises with approvals as for the markets of eastern Europe.
    1. ksv2011
      ksv2011 6 May 2012 18: 08 New
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      Kyrgyz agree with you +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  • LiRoy
    LiRoy 6 May 2012 19: 50 New
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    The Chinese are intentionally encouraged to try to take the cards into their own hands in the big game, telling them at every step that they are so strong and will be able to compete with the United States. But as soon as they are led to this and get out, they will be slammed right away.
    “We allowed China to build up its military potential, gave Russia time to come to its senses after Sovietization, gave them a false sense of superiority, however, all this together will accelerate their death,” G. Kissinger.
    Regarding the reforms, the Chinese are right. In any state, its policy is determined by the elite, and we have it, as noted in the article, looking entirely at the West.
  • gor
    gor 6 May 2012 20: 29 New
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    A. Voskresensky: I would say that the appearance of such an article is more likely to indicate that discussion is coming to the surface. What place can Russia occupy in the new arrangement in the world.
    most likely this is what place Russia will occupy in the brix. that’s what the Chinese want to convey. China is a locomotive and Russia as a junior researcher. Well, Russia, as the initiator of the brix, must save this organization by any means to save face
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 6 May 2012 20: 44 New
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      Well, then, what kind of place will China give India?
      1. gor
        gor 6 May 2012 21: 53 New
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        maybe I could answer this question, but only I have one, and what kind of bright head brought India and China into one organization)))))))))))))))))))))? as I understand it, someone thought that the world would start from this))))))))))))))))))))))))) well, they don’t give left thoughts to develop. It’s time to understand this
    2. ksv2011
      ksv2011 6 May 2012 21: 10 New
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      it’s not necessary to do so of the Chinese over the power that decides, at the level of the Americans, they just won’t pull such a burden, but no one will give them!
  • Igarr
    Igarr 6 May 2012 21: 28 New
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    I don’t agree with anyone ...
    Everyone is wrong ..
    The Russian idea - shelter-heat-suffer-Christ-for the sake of ... not like categorically.
    The Western idea - we’ll come-get-reward-cure ... also do not like it.
    About this GOLDEN Billion - in general I am silent.

    And most of all I do not like it - that the freak Gorbachev - was awarded the order.
    My opinion about our government-was ... cataclysmic.
    That’s why I am in pessimism.
    .
    There are, of course, the interests of the state!
    And there is - the TRUTH.
    Naked, as usual.
    And ashamed and awkward ... but where are you going?
    It is a pity.
    It’s a pity that decorators-fashion designers ... headed ... with us. Sorry.
  • mind1954
    mind1954 7 May 2012 05: 40 New
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    Well, Khazin, I found someone to ask?
    MGIMO is currently just a dump.
    They teach full pathological scumbags there.
    A continuous rabble from thieves' families is learning !!!

    The only thing that this
    A. Voskresensky, essentially nothing to say,
    the talent to portray a bar of soap is a corrupt thing!

    You look with what anger was met by our
    the top loss of this American six,
    Sarkozy, who was called at the last election
    "Sarco American"!
    What should congratulate the people of France!
    And Sarkozy was very worried about the loss,
    just our pro-American "fifth column" in the Kremlin!
    Our rotten, corrupt, rotten through and through
    fascism, prostitution television, just
    comes from poisonous saliva! This yummy no
    sex scandals concocted with the USA,
    no terrorist fraud helped!
  • Averias
    Averias 7 May 2012 11: 05 New
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    The article is interesting. The Chinese (and no offense to them) have always been cunning and two-faced. This article published in the central newspaper - read the voice of the party, makes it clear this. The decline in trade with the United States - and this is not profitable for them since profits are substantial. And to quarrel with the United States is also not profitable. That's why the article, like our brother, forever and ever makes it clear their concern (read rubbing their hands) within reason, and on the other hand, criticism is for the United States that it’s a good political move for them. I say two-faced. An ear must be kept with them.
  • postman
    postman 7 May 2012 13: 13 New
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    I liked the article.
    "The entire Russian elite looks exclusively at the West, their children study in Europe, their capital is held in the Caribbean offshore, and they ignore China in principle. It seems to me that today this is a serious mistake of Russian policy. "
    Everything is said about the "elite".
    And China ....
    This is where it all went. Only the naive can assume that having such a “neighbor” nearby is a blessing, or that we will be “friends”.
    We can not oppose them with anything.
    The only way out was that, for medium-range missiles and conventional armaments, they would not be reduced (destroyed), but removed from the European part of the Russian Federation:
    beyond the Urals, to the southeast.
    Now the only thing left is to support in every possible way: Mallasia, Indonesia and all those who may have "friction" with China
  • Okuscher
    Okuscher 7 May 2012 20: 34 New
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    mechanic33,
    I join, and then another mona to smoke on the track, for the friendship of peoples G)
  • go
    go 7 May 2012 23: 14 New
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    Geminzhibao writes correctly, thanks to today's government tied to oil and gas, Russia is following an extensive development path, turning into a country that lives only by exporting resources. This will lead to the fact that in 10 years Russia can turn into, at best, Saudi Arabia.

    Mechanical engineering should also be developed as applied science and education in general, starting from school.
    1. ksv2011
      ksv2011 8 May 2012 06: 26 New
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      Putin has promised to create 25 million highly technological places, I don’t think that these 25 million will be employed in the oil industry!
    2. Don
      Don 8 May 2012 10: 57 New
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      Quote: go
      thanks to today's government, tied to oil and gas, Russia is following an extensive development path, turning into a country that lives only by exporting resources.

      So how have you not bothered to compose these tales of great dependence on oil? For starters, you would study the export and import of the Russian Federation, budgeting, specialization industries, and only then you would sing a song about oil and gas. More than once, and on this site, including, I and other forum users like you explained: oil, gas and oil products account for 45% of Russian exports. They provide additional superprofits, but do not form a budget. 17% of the budget is a tax on mining. In the Russian Federation, all types of industry work.
      Quote: go
      that in 10 years Russia could turn into Saudi Arabia at best.

      In the 90s did not turn. For what reason is it suddenly becoming?
      Quote: go
      Mechanical engineering should also be developed as applied science and education in general, starting from school.

      Well this is ridiculous. The Russian Federation ranks second in the world in arms sales, it has 25% of the market, do you think this is not developed engineering?
      In Russia there are more than 1000 enterprises engaged in shipbuilding, ship repair, production of propulsion, sonar, navigation, auxiliary, deck and other types of equipment, materials and components for ships, as well as carrying out scientific activities in the field of shipbuilding and marine equipment.
      According to the results of 2008, 1,471 million cars and 256 thousand trucks were produced in Russia. In the same year, 132 thousand cars and 45 thousand trucks were exported from Russia for a total of $ 1,7 billion.
      In the period from 2000 to 2010, several dozens of car factories were opened in Russia producing cars under the brands of famous manufacturers, including Volkswagen, Skoda, BMW, Ford, Renault, Toyota, Chevrolet, Peugeot-Citroen-Mitsubishi Automobile Alliance, Nissan, Opel , Kia, Volvo Truck and some others. Plant capacities are designed for production, ranging from large to small assembly, including Completely Knocked Down (CKD) assembly with a high degree of localization of production, with welding and painting of bodies, and assemblies. The opening of new plants continues.
      Recently, Russian aircraft manufacturers have concluded multibillion-dollar hard contracts for the supply of civilian aircraft to foreign carriers.
      According to the data for 20010, Russia accounted for approximately 12% of the global space services market. According to the State Strategy for the Development of the Rocket and Space Industry, the share of Russian rocket and space industry products on the world market by 2015 should reach 15%. In March 2010, France ordered 14 $ 1 billion Soyuz launch vehicles from Russia.
      The Angstrem Russian group of companies and Mikron are some of the largest integrated circuit manufacturers in Eastern Europe. According to the results of 2010, Sitronics Concern took first place among high-tech companies in Eastern Europe.
      You’ll still list or all yourself you will begin to search and study information. And education is not bad. You have the brains to learn everything yourself, also on the budget, and if not, then it's not Fursenko, but you.