Thanks! .. The giant amount that Kiev will have to pay before the end of the year

The Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers today announced information about the amount of debt that will have to be paid by the end of this year. This is a colossal amount by Ukrainian standards in the amount of 325,5 billion hryvnia. This is about 12,5 billion dollars. At the same time, the amount does not include Kiev’s 3 billion sovereign debt to Russia, which the Ukrainian authorities declared “Yanukovych’s debt” and refuse to pay.
It is noteworthy that more than a third of the announced upcoming payments to Ukraine are interest on debt service.

According to Ukrainian experts, the Ukrainian government finds itself in the most difficult situation since the Maidan Peremoga. The fact is that the payment of 12,5 billion dollars from the state treasury can lead to a complete refusal of the state to fulfill social obligations. Failure to pay this amount will finally put an end to the very possibility of obtaining loans from the United States, the European Union and the IMF. So there are two ways out: wait for a new loan to pay off old debts or ask for another debt restructuring.

Here it is necessary to recall that during the 2019-2020 period Ukraine will have to pay 22,5 billion more on loans, of which more than a third is also in interest.

All these payments simply reduce to zero any economic growth in Ukraine, even if it is denoted by the government.

Comments

[svp67]

So there are two ways out: to wait for a new loan to pay off old debts or to ask for another debt restructuring.

No, they found a third one - it will make Russia pay for everything ... They’ve gotten used to it like "sitting on her neck ...", and then suddenly she stops doing it. Means must be forced through all possible courts

[210ox]

There is another option, the war ... And it will write everything off ... Although it is likely that it will also write off the Kiev junta. Or beg for restructuring. That is most likely.

Quote: svp67

So there are two ways out: to wait for a new loan to pay off old debts or to ask for another debt restructuring.

No, they found a third one - it will make Russia pay for everything ... They’ve gotten used to it like "sitting on her neck ...", and then suddenly she stops doing it. Means must be forced through all possible courts

[Hire]

may lead to a complete refusal of the state to fulfill social obligations

Do they still fulfill them? Wonders!

[Shurik70]

Hmm ... It seems good.
Just do not believe that the bandits and the junta will be poor. The people will be poor.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Shurik70

Hmm ... It seems good.
Just do not believe that the bandits and the junta will be poor. The people will be poor.

It hurts, but good. Some need to go down to the bottom to sober up from Maydaunism and post-Maidan apathy, remember that they are Russian, and not just marginal residents, and start to really want to throw off the junta yoke of the West with their own strength, and really reinforce this. I would understand if they had solid slaves in their ancestors, but the center, south and east are Russian lands that did not know slavery. There is hope, therefore.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Alex-a832

Quote: Shurik70

Hmm ... It seems good.
Just do not believe that the bandits and the junta will be poor. The people will be poor.

It hurts, but good. Some need to go down to the bottom to sober up from Maydaunism and post-Maidan apathy, remember that they are Russian, and not just marginal residents, and start to really want to throw off the junta yoke of the West with their own strength, and really reinforce this. I would understand if they had solid slaves in their ancestors, but the center, south and east are Russian lands that did not know slavery. There is hope, therefore.

And how do you imagine the mechanism for replacing the current Kiev government? What to do to the pensioner or the hard worker?
Do you personally like all of our rulers in the Russian Federation? Or would you like to replace someone? And from what has not yet been replaced?

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

And how do you imagine the mechanism for replacing the current Kiev government? What to do to the pensioner or the hard worker?
Do you personally like all of our rulers in the Russian Federation? Or would you like to replace someone? And from what has not yet been replaced?

In Russia, I don’t want to change power, I voted for it, although I don’t trust a number of key officials, including LADIES. Well, Putin decided not to follow Stalin’s ostomy, but by way of soft power - maybe for the better, there are fewer innocent victims, and the people are more comfortable.
But with Ukraine: while pensioners and women, driven to despair, do not kick hard workers to overthrow the junta, they will sit until the second coming. The juntas organized a coup there by the force of an active minority under the majority’s indifference. If the majority understands the hopelessness and is active, then neither the Natsiks will be able to resist it, nor NATO, and the siloviki will switch to their side for the most part. If only the promise of golden mountains and a magical freebie from the next oligarchs and pro-Western puppets would not be pecked, otherwise the circle will repeat.

[Simargl]

Quote: Alex-a832

Well, Putin decided not to go one hundredпam Stalin

Something distorts me when I remember the 90s. And it can be much tougher.

[Shurik70]

How to overthrow the legal power on the Maidan - so galloped!
And now - "what can we do?"

[Lycan]

Continue to ride, until the next power "gets down".
But this time without Nuland cookies with Biden and dry closets.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

And how do you imagine the mechanism for replacing the current Kiev government? What to do to the pensioner or the hard worker?

you better start with the mechanism by which the current government came to power !!! and don’t forget that pensioners carried cakes to the Maidan !!!

[just exp]

Well now they are so panicked at their retirement that the patties stupidly have nothing to bake.
if you don’t understand with your head. understand another place.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: just EXPL

Well now they are so panicked at their retirement that the patties stupidly have nothing to bake.
if you don’t understand with your head. understand another place.

at the same time, all the same, we are being pushed by the speech that oh poor pensioners there !!! less had maidanashki carry pies !!!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

you better start with the mechanism by which the current government came to power !!! and don’t forget that pensioners carried cakes to the Maidan !!!

The same pensioners picked out the cobblestones that flew to Berkut and handed out pensions to the fund to fight the occupier and knitted socks for ukrorator who shot the children and women of the LPR. Let a little enjoy the exasperation to hungry fainting.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

you better start with the mechanism by which the current government came to power !!! and don’t forget that pensioners carried cakes to the Maidan !!!

The same pensioners picked out the cobblestones that flew to Berkut and handed out pensions to the fund to fight the occupier and knitted socks for ukrorator who shot the children and women of the LPR. Let a little enjoy the exasperation to hungry fainting.

Well, yeahhhh ... there are pence there that have a drain of sins, which you really shouldn't regret!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Nikolai Grek

Quote: Captain Pushkin

And how do you imagine the mechanism for replacing the current Kiev government? What to do to the pensioner or the hard worker?

you better start with the mechanism by which the current government came to power !!! and don’t forget that pensioners carried cakes to the Maidan !!!

The current Kiev power was brought to power using the following tools:
1. Overseas billion-dollar financing of the destabilization of the country over several years, political and informational support of the opposition by the NATO bloc ..
2. The consolidation of the "oligarchy" in opposition to Yanukovych, and the inclusion of their finances and media resources to destabilize his power.
3. Bribery and recounting to the opposition side of key figures of all state structures, including power structures.
4. Training of militants for the power opposition to the legal regime.
5. Political pressure on Yanukovych to block the possibility of using force against rioters.
Etc. On this subject, textbooks are written with step-by-step steps.
Here is what from the above on forces to the pensioner or the hard worker?

[vovanpain]

Well, unless Poroshenko with Groysman will give it away, not a hundred skins from the Ukrainian people will be torn off.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Shurik70

The people will be poor

this is a problem of the people ... even, rather, it is the fault of that very people !!!

[Nick]

Quote: Shurik70

Hmm ... It seems good.
Just do not believe that the bandits and the junta will be poor. The people will be poor.

The emptiness in the pockets cleans the brains well. I hope ukroshumera it helps to see the light.

[ver_]

... and who needs it? .. = this very people-one solid smut from him ..

[Ural resident]

Quote: 210ox

There is another option, the war ... And it will write everything off ... Although it is likely that it will also write off the Kiev junta. Or beg for restructuring. That is most likely.

Quote: svp67

So there are two ways out: to wait for a new loan to pay off old debts or to ask for another debt restructuring.

No, they found a third one - it will make Russia pay for everything ... They’ve gotten used to it like "sitting on her neck ...", and then suddenly she stops doing it. Means must be forced through all possible courts

There is another option - to join the Donbass and become New Russia - and then refuse to pay at all, since New Russia did not take any loans.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: A resident of the Urals

Quote: 210ox

There is another option, the war ... And it will write everything off ... Although it is likely that it will also write off the Kiev junta. Or beg for restructuring. That is most likely.

Quote: svp67

So there are two ways out: to wait for a new loan to pay off old debts or to ask for another debt restructuring.

No, they found a third one - it will make Russia pay for everything ... They’ve gotten used to it like "sitting on her neck ...", and then suddenly she stops doing it. Means must be forced through all possible courts

There is another option - to join the Donbass and become New Russia - and then refuse to pay at all, since New Russia did not take any loans.

This recalls the story of how the mice at the general meeting decided to hang a bell on the tail of a cat. And how this idea failed because they could not figure out how to do it.

[yehat]

joining debts does not write off. need to surrender to the Donbass with the temporary occupation of Kiev,
hundreds of horses upturned on lampposts and a ban on forced derusification.

[Metallurg_2]

There is another option - to join the Donbass and become New Russia.

It is impossible. Patrons and wiped ATO will not understand. Not for that, they shed blood / proceeded to shit / raped keyboards (cross out the unnecessary) in battles with the Russian invaders ...

[Mih1974]

"dead don't bite" and "rabid dogs - shoot"

[Vadim237]

The war will not write off anything to them - the debt, as it was, will remain so. The war has never written off debts.

[Looking Petrovich]

Quote: svp67

So there are two ways out: to wait for a new loan to pay off old debts or to ask for another debt restructuring.

No, they found a third one - it will make Russia pay for everything ... They’ve gotten used to it like "sitting on her neck ...", and then suddenly she stops doing it. Means must be forced through all possible courts

You can not pay. A few years ago, an EU member Cyprus robbed private depositors of Cypriot banks by $ 2 billion: 6,75% from an amount below 100 thousand euros and 9,9% from an amount over 100 thousand. And nothing, everything got away - who will remember this now?
And a lot in the courts robbed investors have achieved?
They will not return anything to Russia, nor to others either.

[svp67]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

Who will remember this now?

British. They urgently need somewhere to find 50 billion eureka and it seems they already know where to find them ... on the accounts of the Russian rich in their offshore.

[sapporo1959]

With three billion, they’ll definitely throw it! But Putin, I remember such a straightforward important one, declared that we were giving Iron Anglicans under guarantees .. And the funny thing is that I, as a pensioner, suffered from it that year. And I didn’t give indexation only four percent, and even five thousand, saying that you are Russian pensioners in Belarus they didn’t suffer .. And the fact that the Russian rupe fell to the Belarusian one as if for a blowjob about this government and the great Putin modestly remained silent .. I did transfer the pension right at the rate .. Medvedev and Putin didn’t go down, but ordinary citizens strained ...

[Metallurg_2]

And a lot in the courts robbed investors have achieved?

Believe me, these "investors", among whom the majority - our native shit-democratic thieves and oligarchs - have lost a little ...

[URAL72]

Yeah! With a GDP of 100 billion, this is a problem. It is necessary to help Ukraine. Die. It is necessary to offer all citizens of Ukraine working in Russia and their family members Russian citizenship. Today, migrant workers' remittances are one of the country's main sources of livelihood. To offer work, housing, "hectares", you need to populate Transbaikalia and the Far East. In Russia, the “Far Eastern hectare” doesn’t work, it’s silly to expect Muscovites to drop everything and rush to the far ... Catherine took hundreds of thousands of Germans, Serbs, Greeks, even Swedes to the lands of New Russia, Volga region, it’s time to repeat it, there work is not measured!

[Aleks2048]

Why do we need rogues? We have a state and a president, not grandfather Mozai and a boat! With what got scared should I pick up something or give up my child and give it to the guest worker from Nezalezhnaya? Give them housing, work, and maybe they also lend wives? Again, the question for what merits to the Russian Federation we Russians can give them something? Think what you offer!

[URAL72]

Alex! Maybe you yourself will go to work in the distant? Remember! Today, a country with a population of at least 200 million people can apply for superpower status. With the current demographic crisis, we will soon be happy for Somali refugees. And about the rogues ... You either got excited, or a very stupid person. Is it really people’s fault that politicians, bureaucrats and oligarchs brought the country and people to such a state? Or did you forget the 90s Russia?

[Aleks2048]

Partly I agree about the fact that the people are to blame for little, but this is only if you close your eyes to the fact that every nation deserves the government that it has. There is one more moment about which I keep up my vigorously ... At any emigration, the best, the most active, the smartest are the first to move (among them, of course, there will be scum and just the lucky ones who were in the right place at the right time), then they go and make up the class a little lower average, but they are still needed, as a rule, the gray mass of hard workers who sold everything and went for the best share at the same time, as a rule, they are residents of large cities and have their own minimum capital to settle in a new place, then they complete the migration of rogue people, antisocial elements and middle managers who were highly specialized under the conditions of managerial work at home. So the first waves in three years have already passed the first waves. Do not let rabble in Russia.

[Curious]

"To offer work, housing," hectares ", it is necessary to populate Transbaikalia and the Far East. In Russia, the" Far Eastern hectare "does not work, maybe it’s possible ..."
Cool storyline for "Comedy Clab". Suggest, tear off with hands.

[Olegi1]

It’s easier to declare war on Russia, and in 10 minutes to give up ...

[Metallurg_2]

Provided that Russia will respond to the declaration of war. And then there was such a comrade Idi Amin, who declared war on the United States. And since the USA did not react in any way, the next day declared itself the winner.

[Shrpv]

Declare war on Russia and surrender.

[svp67]

Quote: Shrpv

Declare war on Russia and surrender.

And the main thing is to have time to do this before Russia understands something ...

[Zubr]

Yes, the sad end will be, only Ukraine will live exactly as long as its overseas friends allow it. Yes, and those in debt as in silk.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Zubr

Yes, the sad end will be, only Ukraine will live exactly as long as its overseas friends allow it. Yes, and those in debt as in silk.

They will default and postpone payments for many years, and continue to beg ...

[Simargl]

Quote: XXXIII

They will default and postpone payments for many years.

They are now being squeezed out a little, and after default - within a few months the country will be torn down.
Delay payments - if restructuring is allowed.

[Wolka]

here let the horses ride ...

[Egorovich]

This is what leads the desire to get to Geyropu and the desire to walk in lace shorts.

[Simon]

Well! Slurped Ukraine. Debt good turn deserves another! Have to give!

[Elk]

Shaw, again, everything was gone. In 2014, it’s about to bend, then in 2015 they will fall apart, in 2016 again ... And they somehow still dodge. And these debts will somehow be repaid, this is their problem, not ours.

[svp67]

Quote: Elk

they somehow still dodge.

And this is their national sport ... "torture"

[Mountain shooter]

And they transferred (restructured) debts - postponed for the future, while receiving increased interest ...
The important thing was not to “crash” right now. And what will happen tomorrow - then tomorrow ...

[Alekseits]

Senya Yatsenyuk restructured, and now he owes Ukrainian debts. He lives in the states happily ever after, and these fools will soon conquer.

[helmi8]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And what will happen tomorrow - then tomorrow ...

Right The principle of three envelopes. Gunpowder does not pay Russia, blaming on Yanukovych, the next will not pay, blaming on Poroshenko ...

[Amurets]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And what will happen tomorrow

And there will be what was written in an advertisement of one tavern: "Today is for money, and tomorrow for it."
But tomorrow will be tomorrow, and today pay.

[Mih1974]

Well, well, well, tell us about the "get out" . They are already in fact in default after the refusal to return Russia 3 billion dollars. NOBODY does not lend more than Shumeria (but really necessary) . What is the unemployment rate or how many jobs are there in Shumeria and what is the trend. As one clever man said, there are now stores in Somalia with goods, cars and much that “offhand” does not characterize that Ushos and “not the country” of Somalia.
Well, well - give an example of "bend", "fall apart" in your understanding? The level of crime and the amount of prohibited weapons on hand close to the level of the "wild west" do not suit you, just give it to you "separation of regions" - well, excuse me from the West already Poland and Hungary with a "fork and knife" are standing, only they are waiting for permission from America.
The level of deterioration of what makes the territory of the country - is already close to the level of "trash". NPP on the verge of "take off into the clouds", roads and railways. close to a stop, gas transportation system - at any moment can fail permanently and irreversibly.
The more complex the process - the faster it "dies", the military-industrial complex - has already died, even the extraction of resources is declining, and soon there will be "latifundia" guarded by private armies with heavy weapons. This will already be the expected "collapse" of yours.

[jovanni]

According to Ukrainian experts, the Ukrainian government is in the most difficult situation since Maidan

Yes, how complicated it is, well, the author himself answers:

So there are two ways out: to wait for a new loan to pay off old debts or to ask for another debt restructuring.

And they will give loans, and debts can be restructured. If only Russia continued to spoil, and happiness will be further to them ...

[Comrade Beria]

About Ukraine, only with humor.

[Guru]

There is no third option to start a war with Russia, in connection with which to ask for a delay in debt.

[Mih1974]

The option "option with Russia" has only one end (quick) - complete surrender and the demand for "enhanced soldering". No "deferrals" will be needed anymore due to the "absence of a borrower as legal entity"

[victorrat]

Moreover, the European "partners" will not forgive Ukraine a dime. It seems that they are buying up the remaining enterprises and land for debts. And stop visa-free. These Bandera are tired of them, and there are enough slaves anyway.

[Mih1974]

There are no enterprises there, look at the Tribaltics, remember there has long been renting apartments and offices for communal services and taxes . Well, why do the same Americans have a factory for the production of "rubber bands for cowards" in the Kherson region (this is NOT a mat )? Well, well - why do the same Americans need Ukrainian black soil, and so they are not so much fighting for an increase in yields as for sales markets, which means that they are just removing competitors from the market

[Simon]

Quote: Shrpv

Declare war on Russia and surrender.

No .. eh! We do not need them, otherwise we will have to pay. Let them disentangle themselves.

[Phil77]

So after all, not only pay, but also radically deal with dishonesty!

[Dezinto]

Funny country .....
They have already completely broken humor with sarcasm. I do not know what to say. But I feel they are capable of more.!

[Phil77]

But hefty “independent”! And you still have to pay off debts, even in kind.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Phil77

But hefty “independent”! And you still have to pay off debts, even in kind.

They will start selling land, the last thing in the asset, a very valuable asset, by the way, only this will deprive the economy of income ...

[Dezinto]

But I feel they are capable of more.!

I told you ....
Now I even forgot how to smile .....

According to the publication, the Permanent Representative of Poroshenko believes that the fighting dolphins of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine refused to obey the "Russian invaders" and died of starvation. Babin believes that dolphins contacted people only through special whistles, without which they could easily sacrifice themselves.
"The Russians received these whistles and all the other special property of the corresponding military unit, but the trained animals refused to not only interact with the new Russian trainers, but refused food and died after some time," said Babin.

https://www.rosbalt.ru/world/2018/05/14/1702840.h
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[Deune]

Well, this problem of Ukraine - the end of 2018, the real Ukraine now dances from new sanctions against Russia, and it does not care about Ukraine-the end of 2018 :)

[taiga2018]

as long as the United States is satisfied with the behavior of the authorities of the Sumerians, they face no default and the IMF will continue to lend to them ...

[Phil77]

To lend indefinitely? Or to the complete loss of "independence"? Although it seems to be simply gone.

[Aleks2048]

I think that it will lend almost indefinitely. The fact is that Europe defaults and Ukraine does not need, because there is money from European banks. Better to have a bad debtor than nothing.

[Kerensky]

So these are not loans already, but a markup for debts. Money will not move to Ukraine, it will simply be transferred from one pocket to another.

[mashinist]

Oh, how many news there has been, and about the cold winter with a lack of gas, etc. and each time, here’s Ukraine’s khan, and we all feel the same way (I’m talking about Odessa), our airport terminal has opened, the city is being improved, etc. "the dog barks the caravan goes"

[Dezinto]

city ​​landscaping, etc. "the dog barks the caravan goes"

In Odessa, unfortunately, your dog wags its tail.

[staviator]

Quote: mashinist

our airport terminal has opened, the city is being improved, etc. "the dog barks the caravan goes"

Odessa airport? But, this is the bus station where the planes approach.?
They built it, but it doesn’t accept international flights, who will fly and where?
And judging by the chairs for waiting, people are not expected.

[mashinist]

We are talking about a fast low-cost airline, I think everything is not smooth everywhere, but on projects we are not far behind

[staviator]

Quote: mashinist

but on projects we do not lag behind you at all

Exactly! This is your project:And this is ours:As they say find 10 differences

[ibn.shamai]

And how is the SCF doing, have you found a buyer?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: mashinist

we are all there and not feeling bad (I'm talking about Odessa)

Yes, everything is not so clear. You are absolutely right, Odessa citizen, granddaughter of Misha Yaponchik.

[vovanpain]

Quote: mashinist

our airport terminal has opened

Well this bus stationWell, the whole world milks (loves) And this is under sanctions in Russia. In Simferopol.

[ibn.shamai]

What little things! They’ll help you very much .... They will give parabellum, shoot yourself!

[Incvizitor]

Normal people always said this about it:

He went to the poor, on whom duty is heavy.

But at 404, unfortunately, it seems that there are almost none.

[ANCIENT]

They will not pay anything to anyone, but the United States will throw a handout at them in the USA, because ukroina lives only due to the fact that it regularly plays the role of "terraces of achrazzzia" from Russia. As soon as this song is boring, they will let ukroin "under the knife" -divide into micropanism.

[Terenin]

Thanks! .. The giant amount that Kiev will have to pay before the end of the year How so four years alone weary and suddenly they owe someone, and even a gigantic amount? It’s exactly the oaths of Muscovites ...

[RUSS]

Ukrainians will get out, as they have been twisted for the last 27 years, they will knock something down, delay something, or forgive it. Maybe they’ll sell something else or rent it out.

[yehat]

Ukrainians all these years had a sale of property of the USSR, acquired mainly through union subsidies, and support for the Russian Federation.
Now there is no Russian market, no billions of handouts, almost half of the export industry, plus expenses for horse racing, revolution and the genocide of Donbass. And there’s not much left to sell.
the arable land fund has already been sold to foreigners by half - to China, Germany, Poland, Turkey, etc. (yeah, that’s how the country is building the breadbasket). Industry shrank to a state of self-dying. Production and scientific personnel are greatly lost.
That's it, the party ends. Remains only debts and debts.

[ver_]

... the more Jews in the country-the funnier ..

[msm]

Trade turnover between Russia and Ukraine in the period from January to November 2017 increased by 28,6% - to $ 9,36 billion. https://ria.ru/economy/20180103/1512096245.html

[Serge]

Hmm! 3bn they don’t even plan to pay. Cut off everything to them! And gas, energy, and everything else! The crumbs are squeezed out of their people in the country. And for those who litter and threaten with war, they forgive everyone. The more you know the politics in the country, the more wonder what deer we have at the top. I want from such a policy ...

[private person]

That's not how much I will be surprised if the debts of Ukrainians will be paid by Russia, even if not all but part. They are "brothers."

[Lycan]

Not for that, of course. Times are not the same. On paper, a sovereign state. Now, if, for example, in an official way, but without "disputed pitfalls, like with the Crimea under Khrushchev" - to buy Ukraine for ~ 20 ... 25 yards (45 million) - this is still, after all, possible. Territories are not superfluous. And people - who do not like it - let them immediately leave the country.

[muhomor]

The state has always supported the country's population. Neither Poroshenko nor his punks will pay anything to anyone. The loan was taken by Ukraine, She (the population) will pay it. Privatize something, raise tariffs, declare default. In Russia, the situation was cooler and nothing somehow got out!

[private person]

Russia has oil and gas, and Ukrainians what. Well, they will increase tariffs, but pay what.

[yehat]

Ukraine has a bunch of magnificent geopolitical advantages, more than enough for a comfortable economy. They do not need to spend a lot on heating, on thousands of kilometers of roads, on the total import of fruits and other havchik. The climate is very moderate and in Europe few countries have better. The country has a lot of natural resources.
All that is needed is to work honestly and not cheat, and there they prefer to ride beautifully.

[private person]

To grow this havchik and fruits, you need money, but there isn’t enough of it. But there are debts and considerable debts and no one will put geopolitics from capitalists above their monetary interests.

[yehat]

money is needed to grow with European comfort, but now it’s not time for fat
it’s time for the Great Ukrainians to smell like 5-7 years, like the Chinese from the northern provinces,
because otherwise honestly the public debt can no longer be closed.
and make peace with the Russian Federation, so that at least some external sales will be and win the competition from Belarus.
I gave rough estimates in another topic - the situation with them is such that the whole country should work a year and a half, without a salary, to liquidate most of its external debt.
Now it’s still somehow feasible or feasible, but if they stretch for another year or two, then it will already be a hole from which it is impossible to get out honestly. We'll have to throw large IMF, Russia, China and other lenders, which guarantees 30 years of living at the bottom.
Many will not agree with this, a new civil war will begin and off and on.
Ukrainians really do not understand what the risks are.

[Lycan]

Quote: private person

To grow this hawchik and fruits you need money and they are not in sufficient quantity.

You can arrange there a socialist "testing ground." Doped up modern USSR 2.0 with "corrected errors, a streamlined system of power transfer and a reduced degree of political brainwashing." Yes, you have to start a lot from the beginning.
Point number 0 - to conduct in-depth testing of different sectors of the population to find talented but unsuspecting managers.
Point number 1 - to conduct the initial stage without a civil war. Let different bloodless scenarios be tested in different regions.
Point number 2 - carefully consider and organize public-private cooperation. Private owners profitable, but without the threat of growth to the detriment of state-woo.
Item No. 3 - Organize the State. the form of ownership of the means of production with areas of limited private ownership (I repeat, private traders profitably).
Item No. 4 - Removal of the moratorium on the death penalty. Rename this measure with "execution" on "radical elimination of an incorrigible (extremely dangerous) element from the life of law-abiding citizens with the further removal of the accused from state content".
Item No. 5 - Public execution (with broadcast) of "incorrigible elements". With convincing evidence of guilt.
Paragraph 6 - Admission of private and state. offices for the employment of persons with disabilities.
Item No. 6.a - Experimental prosthetics of working limbs (at least in the radius of the patient’s workplace). Those. testing of various breakthrough honey. projects.
Item No. 7 - Experimental tests for the substitution of alcohol with other products or genetic. experiments in order to reject alcohol from the test person (over the required quantity produced by the body itself).
...
Item No.999 - Collection of statistics to study the listed initiatives for the development of mankind. To exclude the zone of Ukraine (as its zone of responsibility) from international treaties on the protection of the rights of the population in order to avoid debate.

[yehat]

landfill is not needed. Most of the ideas were already implemented in Japan in the 60s with their specifics and it works. Just go and see.
They corrected a number of errors in the personnel policy of Khrushchev, though sometimes in archaic ways, but it worked.

[Lycan]

Quote: yehat

the truth is sometimes in archaic ways, but it worked.

Progress should not stand still, so we also need to search and work out our "archaic methods". And then generally productive methods "fell off" as a class. There will be a "test pool" - there will be methods. This is a natural laboratory. And if something “flies” from imperfection, the next mechanism in the queue will work. "Procurement" and (maintenance in working condition) managers will be "made" in a separate region. Disposal is also separate.

[Oleg Jacket]

borrow nizya

[NF68]

Ukraine is blooming and blooming. About the same as a garbage heap. And why did they jump like that?

[alex3075]

Nothing will be paid. The junta will be blamed for the hill, and the new board will say: you recognized the impostor, you gave him money, ask him. The IMF will block the accounts of the entire junta, searches, confiscation. And the "newbie" will feed. At the same time, they will not forget to declare guilty of the Russian Federation. And then they will extort a debt from Ukraine through a court.

[Asian]

Well, damn it, and the news under discussion. The duty of Ukraine is its headache. How many debts did she get there - I don’t care .... She returned us the debt? Aaaaaa, and does not think .... Well, what are we? Chewing her snot for joy? Mash her debts? Like when she bends there, huddled in convulsions? Waiting in vain. It will never happen.
So the news is about nothing, but only for rubbing every crap of brains to the racians and sympathizers.

[yehat]

It seems to me that Putin’s plan is in a peaceful expectation, when the burden of debts will make the regime helpless, after which the debts of the Russian Federation will be converted into some kind of concessions like a peaceful recognition of the independence of Donbass.
Otherwise, I don’t see how to get this debt in any form.
More recently, the Russian Federation with great pleasure imported canned food, wheat and more, and it was a resource of netting, but now Ukraine does not sell it, issues of paying for the gas pipeline are becoming an edge.

[colonel manuch]

We have diplomatic contacts with Ukrostan, essentially on “O”, guest workers can really make a tempting offer - to move with families to Russia, settle in Siberia, money for relocation and settlement, you can find, “ask” to fork out “hard-earned” homegrown oligarchs let them prove that they love the Motherland! But all sorts of investments in Independent (and it turns out there are!) Stop! The junta itself will run away, one thing is bad, the FSB will have to recreate the liquidation department again, look for these creatures around the world and call for responsibility for what they have done in the Donbass.

[sapporo1959]

It’s the Chinese who settle in Siberia, but there are more heat-loving Ukrainians in Europe.

[23424636]

the IMF’s old enslavement focus. They give loans to negligent politicians but not only for technology, but just for the budget, which was then plundered and transferred to offshore. Then the politicians changed and took new ones to pay off the old ones, and of course the interest accumulated and the debt grew. So in Greece, they took credit cards for crazy projects, either the Olympics, or the metro, for the tenders where German companies won, with the highest cost, which gave installments and then these objects were closed as unnecessary and the debt hung astronomical. It doesn’t matter Argentina went through a non-payment procedure and nothing is alive and well. And Ukraine, after so many shocks, will survive without the Mercians clowns in the government. If only the war was stopped ..

[yehat]

poverty and social tension provoke a civil war.
For example, a very prosperous China is now considered a greater threat to the state than the United States.
and invests unrealistic loot on the alignment of social programs.

[1skuns1]

but non-slaves

[Lycan]

Quote: 1skuns1

but non-slaves

And when under Russia they were slaves? They lived around the country (in its developed time) plus or minus one level (not including officials).
And now, before the IMF will be pygmies. Is that better? Yes, not slaves, but no one will give them wealth in their own country. The country will become a "set of foreign territories." The active will leave, the inactive will die out, or they will starve to life on their "plots".
Instead of a gradual, long, but promising growth in friendship with brothers. Well, they themselves have chosen.

[Efrem mutny]

They ate, drank, had fun, counted, shed tears ... It's a shame that the perpetrators of this mess will remain "nothing to do with", and many generations of the population of Ukraine will pay for this "holiday".

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The budget of Ukraine for 2017 in the revenue part is 700 billion hryvnias (26,7 billion dollars) ... They obviously cannot afford to pay for loans 12,5 billion ...

They will try to borrow again and thereby pay off debts ?! Only who will occupy them now ...

2018 will be hot for Ukraine, especially in winter ... And this is only the beginning, the peak of payments will be in 2020-2021 ...

In these situations, I can’t even imagine how Ukraine will get out of debt, even theoretically ...

[d1975]

Quote: Alex2048

Why do we need rogues? We have a state and a president, not grandfather Mozai and a boat! With what got scared should I pick up something or give up my child and give it to the guest worker from Nezalezhnaya? Give them housing, work, and maybe they also lend wives? Again, the question for what merits to the Russian Federation we Russians can give them something? Think what you offer!

Head often advise you to think, you need to filter, but he says the thing. The Slavs are not Armenians and Azerbaijanis, they go to us in batches and nothing, what good is it. Do not believe come to us in the Kuban. Route m-4, no matter what the stall, that's not the point, they are, and everything is normal for you. For me, let a shitty crest than they are. And Asiatic cities are in general overwhelmed. we Slavs have no progress. And you need to be a little kinder. it’s not their fault that they became there, the Crimea was taken and that’s it. You can’t be a little pregnant.

[Kot_Kuzya]

And Asiatic cities are in general overwhelmed. we Slavs no progress

See less 1 + 1, Aisitivi and Espreso. And then maybe you can remove the pan from your head.

[yehat]

don't know what kind of pan you're talking about
retail trade in the Russian Federation has already been usurped in a large part by newcomers + trade networks, again, of external capital, and this is a fact.
The Chinese + Uzbeks + Kazakhs + Azerbaijanis already live more than 4 million in cities and their number is growing, which seriously strains the social situation of local people. Moreover, clanism is actively seeping, which greatly destroys the foundation of democratic relations and provokes corruption.
You don’t notice all this, but there are already entire industries like construction, where corruption goes off scale and is not without the active influence of the fact that a lot of people travel from the east and work there. Civil servants from the east are many times more likely to move away from the idea of ​​serving the state in the direction of their personal interests. This has already gained serious proportions, and you all do not notice.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Bullshit. There is no clanism and national mafia. Do not watch or read Ukrainian news before dinner, but after dinner. If you believe them, then we eat the last hedgehogs and swell with hunger, the Crimean bridge is Mosfilm’s resolution, and in Moscow 70% of the population are Caucasians.

[yehat]

what nafig news - I look at my own experience.
my house was built and finished by migrant workers, whom they threw and left without ZP.
in the bailiff service, where I recently visited due to abuse against me, there is not a single Russian - there are entirely sunny republics, all the stalls around are Georgians and Azerbaijan. Every time I buy fruits, I catch on the fact that they are trying to deceive. All this annoys me regularly.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Our city is full of its local repairmen and builders, it’s not anyone's fault that you are looking for Gaster in search of cheapness, although it is not a fact that they are cheaper. I recently made repairs in the bathroom and toilet, I found a local master without any problems, who offered moderate prices for my services, and did everything quickly and efficiently.
FSSP is a civil service, anyhow they don’t take anyone there, how could Gaster get there, and even without citizenship?
Well, the fact that the fruits are all southerners, it does not bother me, let them sell it.

[yehat]

how could gaster get there

clannishness. You just don’t perceive how it works.
it is enough for one to occupy some significant post and all posts under it
quickly engaged in his relatives or countrymen.
Recently he worked for a formational firm. The owner is an Armenian. ALL leadership positions are Armenians, all services are Armenians. Only technical specialists from the Russian Federation.

and the scheme for turning a guest worker into a citizen of the Russian Federation has been debugged.
Russian from Kazakhstan or Lithuania is much more difficult to obtain citizenship than such an visitor.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Recently he worked for a formational firm. Owner - Armenian. ALL management positions are Armenians, all services are Armenians

The company, as I understand it, is private? Well then, this is a personal matter of the owner of the company, whom he should put in senior positions. I think that a Russian, once in another country, would prefer to take a Russian rather than a foreigner.

[yehat]

for Russian there is no difference if there is no barrier in communication.
I worked in an international company - there are no preferences.
My team consisted of a Kazakh, a Ukrainian, a Frenchman, and two Russians.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Yes, it’s violet to them for these sums ... Well, you say you are homeless: you owe me a million. He answered you: so what?
And the conversation is over ...
Here, of course, is a different situation .. There is something to get the debts out of.
They will restructure their debts to the last, feed, encourage, like a cattle dying ...
The most important thing is that the money for the return will not go out of the pockets of “boys at the helm”.
And the rest they put with a large device. Sold the country, the female dogs ....

[AID.S]

Hello .op ....

[Nikolaevich I]

Ukrainians act according to a saying: Must-not argue! We will not give back soon!

[Patriot5000]

rather give a loan by taking a new one. that's just it will not lead to good. I had it in my life when there were difficult times. but nothing good comes then the amount increases. and next time you have to give more

[Mih1974]

Let’s frankly, there are only two real options: a) cancellation, “forgiveness” of Ukraine’s debts by creditors to the level of “paid out” in some distant future, b) refusal of payment by Ukraine. Moreover, the second option can also be in two versions or fascists, which is essentially unrealistic, or after the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis on the basis of “you didn’t do any debts, but all you poke us here is your fraud with your puppets, with ask them. "

[APASUS]

And how everything started well Maidan, the EU, European pensions and salaries .........................

[msm]

The West will easily feed the whole of Ukraine, and will find mountains of lace panties. If only they fought with Russia.

[1skuns1]

no, not feed ..... Ukrainians have a bottomless belly

[Kot_Kuzya]

Pan 35 million pieces. This is not for you to feed the 6 lamas of the Baltic states ... Brussels, London and Washington will keep the pots on a starvation diet, just to keep them from starving, but not to stop barking at Russia.

[private person]

Quote: Lycan

Quote: private person

To grow this hawchik and fruits you need money and they are not in sufficient quantity.

You can arrange there a socialist "testing ground." Doped up modern USSR 2.0 with "corrected errors, a streamlined system of power transfer and a reduced degree of political brainwashing." Yes, you have to start a lot from the beginning.
Point number 0 - to conduct in-depth testing of different sectors of the population to find talented but unsuspecting managers.
Point number 1 - to conduct the initial stage without a civil war. Let different bloodless scenarios be tested in different regions.
Point number 2 - carefully consider and organize public-private cooperation. Private owners profitable, but without the threat of growth to the detriment of state-woo.
Item No. 3 - Organize the State. the form of ownership of the means of production with areas of limited private ownership (I repeat, private traders profitably).
Item No. 4 - Removal of the moratorium on the death penalty. Rename this measure with "execution" on "radical elimination of an incorrigible (extremely dangerous) element from the life of law-abiding citizens with the further removal of the accused from state content".
Item No. 5 - Public execution (with broadcast) of "incorrigible elements". With convincing evidence of guilt.
Paragraph 6 - Admission of private and state. offices for the employment of persons with disabilities.
Item No. 6.a - Experimental prosthetics of working limbs (at least in the radius of the patient’s workplace). Those. testing of various breakthrough honey. projects.
Item No. 7 - Experimental tests for the substitution of alcohol with other products or genetic. experiments in order to reject alcohol from the test person (over the required quantity produced by the body itself).
...
Item No.999 - Collection of statistics to study the listed initiatives for the development of mankind. To exclude the zone of Ukraine (as its zone of responsibility) from international treaties on the protection of the rights of the population in order to avoid debate.

There would be yes words in the ears of the government of the Russian Federation.

[sagitch]

Sell ​​Peter to Realtors!