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Under 9x19 mm. US Army interested in submachine guns

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The American army again became interested in machine pistols. The US Department of Defense requested information on subcompact arms (Sub Compact Weapons (SCW), reports "Warspot" with reference to the magazine Popular Mechanics


The document does not contain requirements on the size and weight of the weapon, but it also indicates the caliber and describes a possible set of accessories.

Under 9x19 mm. US Army interested in submachine guns

М3 - the last submachine gun adopted by the American army


The weapon must have a caliber 9 × 19 mm and will be equipped with a standard bar MIL-STD-1913 (Picatinny). In addition, it is indicated that a new weapon should have the ability to install silencers and fasteners for a weapon belt. In this case, the weapon must shoot both in automatic and in semi-automatic modes. These requirements are fully consistent with the class of weapons, known as submachine guns (PP). Companies must submit their offers before May 18. Based on the data obtained, the military department will select models for pilot procurement or will announce a full-fledged tender with detailed specifications.

According to unofficial information, the new PP may partially replace the M4 rifles in connection with the planned transition of the army to the new main caliber 6,8 mm. Thus, the new small arms and ammunition will be heavier than the currently used X-NUMX caliber weapons, so servicemen who are not actively participating in hostilities will be re-equipped.

The last time the American army was arming machine guns in 1943. Then it was M3, who broke the “monopoly” of the Thompson submachine gun.
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  1. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 14 May 2018 18: 07
    +2
    Such weapons are good precisely for close combat, in the village, so to speak, face-to-face combat! So, they change tactics, and as a result of this, a variant of the war against Iran or North Korea is possible, or against us.
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 14 May 2018 18: 09
      +4
      But are there really effective silencers for PP of this caliber?
      You can’t hide the sound there, they’re too fast.
      1. Sergey ippon
        Sergey ippon 14 May 2018 19: 17
        +4
        subsonic cartridge - silencer can extinguish, but the shutter sound also works loudly.
        and most importantly, many people especially in films don’t understand - the bullet will hit the target not noiselessly.
        especially in the bones - as if with a hammer
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 14 May 2018 19: 25
          +3
          I suppose if anyone gets a bullet they will notice.
          Especially the one who hit laughing
          1. Sergey ippon
            Sergey ippon 14 May 2018 19: 29
            +1
            and if nearby))
            1. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 14 May 2018 19: 59
              +2
              Well next to it the sound of hitting and falling body is noticeable anyway ...
    2. Elk
      Elk 14 May 2018 18: 12
      +2
      Or they will use it for garrison service, and take 6,8 mm for combat
      1. Alf
        Alf 14 May 2018 20: 42
        +1
        Quote: Elk
        Or they will use it for garrison service, and take 6,8 mm for combat

        Not serious. Constantly take into account different ballistics will have to.
    3. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 14 May 2018 18: 22
      +4
      All would be nothing, but only modern realities, on the contrary, dictate a tendency to increase the power of the cartridge. Even on aliexpress you can inexpensively buy SIBZ 3-4 classes, which 9x19 will be like an elephant's shot.
      Maximum, they will use these software for weapons of various calculations and for other similar needs, there were shoba. Well, another drink, too, has not been canceled)
    4. 210ox
      210ox 14 May 2018 18: 31
      +5
      Well, I think I can’t decide against us. They have a different "recipe" for Russia .. Money, bribery, "a change of power and course .. In general, what they did in the late 80s ... They don’t go straight military clash with us ..
      Quote: ANCIENT
      Such weapons are good precisely for close combat, in the village, so to speak, face-to-face combat! So, they change tactics, and as a result of this, a variant of the war against Iran or North Korea is possible, or against us.
    5. Dead duck
      Dead duck 14 May 2018 18: 38
      +5
      Quote: ANCIENT
      Such weapons are good precisely for close combat, in the village, so to speak, face-to-face combat


      The US Army is again interested in submachine guns

      and the police have long been using request
      1. jjj
        jjj 14 May 2018 18: 55
        +4
        The shadow of the 7,62X25 cartridge loomed from oblivion
        1. Alf
          Alf 14 May 2018 20: 44
          +1
          Quote: jjj
          The shadow of the 7,62X25 cartridge loomed from oblivion

          So he did not leave.
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 14 May 2018 23: 59
        +2
        and the army too, a strange statement in the article that the last was m3.
    6. Doliva63
      Doliva63 14 May 2018 19: 06
      +5
      Quote: ANCIENT
      Such weapons are good precisely for close combat, in the village, so to speak, face-to-face combat! So, they change tactics, and as a result of this, a variant of the war against Iran or North Korea is possible, or against us.

      The battle of the assault group (and there were assault battalions and regiments) was worked out by us and the "allies" during the Second World War. There is nothing new in this. Well, didn’t they decide to make the whole army by assault laughing but hard to believe.
    7. Sergey ippon
      Sergey ippon 14 May 2018 19: 12
      +2
      such a bullet has good ballistics.
      it is stable at 1km, not inferior to 7.2 at 54 or 51.
      at the competition they recommended 6.5 to 57.
      here, most likely, the 6.8x43 SPC is Remington - basically not bad, almost 50% stronger than 5.56 by 45.
      not inferior to our 7.62 by 39 in terms of slaughter will be superior in heap.
      1. Sergey ippon
        Sergey ippon 14 May 2018 19: 31
        +1
        I made a mistake a little - about 6.8 I got interested and poked about her, call me.
        engaged in shooting.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 14 May 2018 19: 51
          +4
          Quote: Sergey Ippon
          I made a mistake a little - about 6.8 I got interested and poked about her, call me.
          engaged in shooting.

          When shooting, how do you determine slaughter? belay
          1. Sergey ippon
            Sergey ippon 14 May 2018 22: 01
            +1
            for this there are tables, reference books.
            also takes into account the weight of the bullet, charge, flight speed - the best cartridges collected by yourself.
            and how to do shooting without it? request
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 15 May 2018 20: 16
              +4
              Well, having handbooks on hand and shooting you can not do laughing And when the cartridges are assembled by ourselves, directories are no longer needed, because they reflect the results of firing with a regular cartridge laughing Good luck shooting drinks
              1. Sergey ippon
                Sergey ippon 15 May 2018 21: 56
                0
                immediately visible -you did not shoot.
                you can’t even imagine how many factors need to be considered.
                I’ll give you reference books, a calculator and a range finder - I’ll argue with a vodka box, you won’t get into a 400 m bottle with SVD (I’ll even calibrate the cartridges)
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  3. Doliva63
    Doliva63 14 May 2018 18: 48
    +6
    Ours must offer faculty - there is a chance to work late laughing
  4. APASUS
    APASUS 14 May 2018 19: 01
    +2
    According to unofficial information, the new PP can partially replace the M4 rifles

    The meaning of replacing the M-4 with a new software is not quite disclosed.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 14 May 2018 19: 27
      0
      The meaning of replacing the M-4 with a new software is not quite disclosed.

      So like an automatic rifle is not replaced by a submachine gun.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 15 May 2018 17: 44
        0
        The rifle changes by 6,8, and for those who are hard - to 9 mm. bully
    2. Sergey ippon
      Sergey ippon 14 May 2018 19: 33
      0
      they want to change the caliber correctly, usually they make a barrel for the caliber, well, or deeply rework.
  5. Zubr
    Zubr 14 May 2018 19: 09
    +1
    We can offer our Russians, we have excellent samples just for this caliber.
    1. beeper
      beeper 14 May 2018 22: 59
      +4
      Comrade Zubr! Hand on heart, tell me what “excellent samples just for this caliber” do you have that could be offered for the rearmament program of the military men of the army, obviously unfriendly to Russia, “partners” (and does Russia really need to arm its obvious enemies, whether rosum is comfortable ???) ?!
      If you mean Russian samples, then personally I don’t see a single one that could satisfy the probable requirements of the US Army, are they for the Russian army like “fishless fish” ?! IMHO
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 15 May 2018 21: 20
        +2
        Well, for example, PP-2000


        Why is this sample bad? smile
        And don't forget, this is just a business. smile
      2. Zubr
        Zubr 15 May 2018 21: 35
        +2
        Or this sample ...

        1. beeper
          beeper 16 May 2018 00: 15
          +1
          Commends your diligence, comrade Zubr good but it’s exactly that “fishless fish” request which I wrote to you about above.
          PP-2000, except that they were pushed into armament by the authority of Gryazev-Shipunov, contrary to common sense and safety precautions (in the same place above, an unshielded thing is frantically hobbling, hammering back and forth, as it gives an arrow, it will drop PP from pain and surprise ?!), and where to get out of place, horror ?! yes
          They would give me such a gift, I would not pick up this litter, but would you like to offer it for sale? So no one, being with sober memory, will not take this ugly business for good money and outwardly attractive product that you can quickly and profitably sell, and not such a miserable "stucco molding"!
          PP “Vityaz” in size and weight of the AK is also useless (and especially for demanding customers who have a wide choice), it’s not suitable, such a palliative “for bezryby”, alas!
          According to Russian PPs, a completely sad picture turns out, whatever you take (except that “Cedar” is “Wedge”, but they are not under Luger cartridges, alas)! request IMHO.
          hi
  6. Tank hard
    Tank hard 14 May 2018 20: 16
    +4
    This "whistle" in them occurs periodically. Either M1 / ​​M2 carbine under .30 "carbine", then "ingram" wanted to replace pistols ... When there is enough dough, you can experiment.
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 14 May 2018 21: 16
    +2
    To massively kill unarmed old people, women and children
    1. beeper
      beeper 14 May 2018 22: 28
      +1
      They will not have such an easy death, alas!
      Plyusanul for your understanding of the mass casualties, but neither American aggressors, nor their henchmen will shoot at women, old people and children — such (like prisoners of war, and their own wounded lackeys) are now being cut into “biological parts” for the “golden billion” -practically "waste-free technologies" have already been tested ... miserable "biowaste" from the "disassembly" are burned in mobile crematoria and no trace. request everything is "missing."
      The "dismantling" of living and corpses, the "preparation of transplants" are carried out by the contracted medical staff from the "third world countries", which are also periodically "updated", disposing of them right there at the "workplace" as a guarantee from "information drains" (as the Nazis did with the service staff of the shooting pits and crematoria!).
      Be realistic, comrade Dormidont! If you believe one German transplantologist (a German two-part documentary on the Body for Sale network) associated with the US headquarters, one fresh human corpse "at retail" brings up to $ 1,5 million in profit to the firm ?! So who will scatter such money, and even shoot-spoil the gratuitous "live goods" from the occupied territories, because even the "high moral" "white helmets" of the captured Syrian children are alive and "transplanted" without violating the "first freshness .." .-everything was done in the interests of saving the sick "universal people" and the engaged "world public" was silent, of course, not indignant at such cynical atrocities ?!
  8. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 14 May 2018 21: 43
    0
    Nonsense, we have better designs and better ones, and even the Jews have no better “ultrasound” modifications.
  9. beeper
    beeper 14 May 2018 21: 52
    +2
    What can be said about this? The Americans really look at things and have already played enough with all sorts of PDV for special patrons, realized that the good old Luger 9x19mm provides most of the tasks facing auxiliary weapons and it is possible to replenish ammunition even from captured ammunition, since it is also used in Russia!
    And the fact that the Americans are intensely preparing to fight with Russia is not even in doubt!
    Yes, they especially do not hide their aggressive intentions, hoping, probably, this time to finally solve the "Russian question" ?!
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 14 May 2018 22: 12
      +1
      Quote: pishchak
      And the fact that the Americans are intensely preparing to fight with Russia is not even in doubt

      I wonder how? Given that Russia has nuclear weapons.
      1. beeper
        beeper 15 May 2018 08: 38
        +1
        Comrade Tank Hard, would gladly share your optimism! yes
        But, alas, the calculation is based on the fact that Russia's nuclear weapons will be maximally neutralized and only miserable crumbs will reach the States themselves! Although the United States is not at all sorry for the ruling circles (who have prepared safe havens) for themselves, the more so that the likely death of a certain number of civilians in North America will only be in their hands (after all, after the war, food resources will be limited), to justify the reasons their preventive aggression against Russia (after all, Hitler claimed the same thing — he attacked the USSR supposedly to prevent an impending attack on Germany), and they won’t even have to blow up the next “twin towers” ​​or drop a nuclear bomb on some thread of their town. .. request
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 15 May 2018 08: 48
          +1
          Quote: pishchak
          Comrade Tank Hard, would gladly share your optimism!

          hi Yes, this is not optimism. I believe that quite a significant amount will fly to the states (well, or they will swim ..). What will make life in their country "unacceptable." I don’t think they can neutralize. The option of changing the leader, more realistic, what will happen later, is approximately described in the work of Berkem al Atomi “The Marauder”, the fantasy is finite, but Jules Verne also wrote science fiction ... A fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it, good fellows are a lesson! wink
          1. beeper
            beeper 15 May 2018 11: 01
            +1
            Well, and how can the States, without warfare in Europe, without global overwhelming, “nullify” their external debt and turn the course of history in their own direction?
            The calculation is based on the fact that the use of nuclear weapons will be limited and the damage to the North American continent will be knowingly lower than what Europe and Eurasia will suffer ?!
            The Americans also have the population of South America, which has not much left slavery, which is much cheaper and more profitable to exploit than its own, corrupted by "democratic freedoms" winked , who said that the slave system cannot be reincarnated under the conditions of humanity literally “bombed into the cave age”?
            Yes, the world will change a lot, but Washington leaders see their future dominant role in a changed world, so they are relentlessly unleashing the Third World, gathering “big battalions” on their side, creating, like Hitler, an aggressive preponderance of the forces of Russo-hating “universal people” (some were colonized and made their puppets, some are simply intimidated by the nonexistent "Russian threat", and the rest "pan-Europeans" - former Hitler accomplices are eager to get even with the heiress of the Soviet Union for their past defeats).
            After all, Napoleon also believed that the main thing was to get involved in the battle, and there the course of the battle itself would show the way to victory ...
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 15 May 2018 11: 16
              0
              Well, I don’t really want to argue, I do not consider myself an expert. But I don’t think that they want nuclear war there (the bunker is not the Hawaiian islands, but it’s boring in it, and canned goods get bored quickly). The states did not wage a single war on their territory, I think that they will not. It is quite enough to unleash a bunch of warfare in the world and while people are zeroing out each other, zeroing out their external debt. However, I repeat, I'm not an expert even once. As for Russia, I think like Cooper, they missed their chance in 1945 +, years. I could be wrong ..
              PS "Marauder" read, if not read. An interesting book.
              hi
              1. beeper
                beeper 15 May 2018 14: 10
                +1
                Thank you, Comrade Tank Hard! Like, I read The Marauder, shota familiar name winked if not, I’ll read, I’m intrigued yes ?!
                Lived in the shoes of these reptiles ("far vision", like the "universal information field", objectively exists (IMHO), you only need to "tune in" winked , sometimes it succeeds with neighbors ... sometimes with distant ones too smile ), tried to feel, think in their thoughts ... they are not afraid of the consequences, they believe that "they will not get the move," since the USA in the last world wars only accumulated resources more than they spent ... Russia for them “sticking out a nail”, causing considerable problems, hoping to “hammer” Russia, to intimidate and pacify the rest of the world, in addition, the jackpot, in the form of huge natural and material resources, is very tempting, and the business thing is to decapitate the country's leadership with an unexpected blow, "red buttons" and disorganize controls! Suppressing focal resistance is not such a big problem, in addition, local pro-American "agents of influence" in the territory (and in the leadership of the identity, al no ?!) Russia is full! Everything can be decided very, very fast! For the "hegemon", some losses among the Eurosatellites and even their citizens do not count!
                The European infrastructure is prepared for long-term hostilities only in case of a malfunction in the main plan or, most likely, to divert eyes like "we are not yet ready for war", and this is Russia not ready, alas, I am observing unprincipled confusion and vacillations in Russian society! Sorry if I'm not mistaken!
                hi
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 14 May 2018 22: 15
      0
      They do not need Russia.

      They have their own internal affairs.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 14 May 2018 22: 41
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        They do not need Russia.

        In the words of Stanislavsky (?) - I do not believe it!
        Quote: gladcu2
        They have plenty of their internal affairs

        No, well, let them learn Spanish, broadens the mind.
      2. beeper
        beeper 15 May 2018 08: 26
        +1
        Comrade Gladcu2, precisely because of the accumulated internal problems and the gigantic foreign debt of the United States, we need another world war, because the first two were only good for them ?!
        Here, either Russia or China will be the first to be hooked, but in all cases the States are better off starting with Russia and they have already started this war, only the blind can not see it!
  10. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 15 May 2018 01: 27
    +1
    According to unofficial information, the new PPs can partially replace the M4 rifles in connection with the planned transition of the army to the new main caliber of 6,8 mm. Thus, the new small arms and ammunition will be heavier than the currently used 5,56 mm caliber weapons, so military personnel who are not actively involved in hostilities will be rearmament

    Notably Bablishko sawing at the Pentagon. Serdyukov, compared with the generals of the US Department of Defense, is simply a small bribe taker of a regional scale.