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MT-LB are undergoing another modernization

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In the mid-sixties, a new light multipurpose amphibious armored personnel carrier MT-LB was adopted by the Soviet army. This machine is still in the ranks and solves certain problems. Practice shows that timely maintenance of armored vehicles and carrying out various upgrades allow you to maintain the desired potential and continue their operation for a long time. Recently it became known that in the near future the MT-LB tractors will be renewed.


On the further fate of the serial 14 armored vehicles in May reported RIA News. The news agency contacted an unnamed representative of the Remdiesel plant (Naberezhnye Chelny) and received some interesting information from him. As it turned out, the Ministry of Defense wants to upgrade the existing equipment, according to the results of which the machines will improve their mobility, maneuverability and controllability characteristics. Also, the proposed modernization project allows to increase the stock of carrying capacity, which can be used, for example, to increase the level of protection.


MT-LB conveyor tractor in basic configuration. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


According to the source RIA Novosti, a new modernization project has already been launched and is being carried out within the framework of the state defense order. According to published data, the current modernization provides for the replacement of the power plant and transmission, as well as a certain refinement of the chassis. Due to this, it is possible to reduce the mass of the structure, as well as significantly improve the basic technical characteristics.

Recall that in the basic version the MT-LB machine is equipped with a YaMZ-238 diesel engine. This product is built according to the V8 scheme and has a working volume of 14,866 l. Engine power - 240 HP at 2100 revolutions per minute. Specific fuel consumption - about 215 g / hp * h. The engine and the main clutch are placed in the engine compartment, located between the control compartment and the landing compartment. The main mechanical transmission devices, including the gearbox, are located in the nose compartment of the hull, in front of crew jobs. This transmission provides 6 for forward gears and 1 for reverse gears.

The existing power plant does not provide the desired characteristics, and therefore a modernization project was proposed. In accordance with it, serial MT-LB should receive a new diesel engine type KAMAZ-740.50. Such an engine, built according to the V8 scheme, has a working volume of 11,76 l, but at the same time develops the power of the 360 hp. at 2200 revolutions per minute. The declared specific fuel consumption is 201 g / hp * h. Thus, the power of the power plant grows one and a half times.

A noticeable restructuring in the new project is undergoing transmission. Instead of one of the available units, the upgraded MT-LB receives a hydromechanical pivot box. As stated, the use of such a unit will allow the car to turn at all speeds and gears with a controlled radius. This should significantly improve handling and maneuverability in all conditions.

Another refinement proposed in the current project affects tracked propulsion. Initially, the MT-LB tractor is completed with a caterpillar with an open hinge. With all its positive features, such a tape has a rather large mass, which can be reduced in a reasonable way. Modernized MT-LB equipped with a new track, built on the basis of a closed-type hinge. This allows you to maintain the desired characteristics, but significantly reduces the mass of the chassis and the machine as a whole.


Engine compartment of the car with the engine YMZ-238. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


Source RIA News indicates that the refinement of the power plant, transmission and chassis leads to a reduction in the mass of technology. So, due to the installation of a new engine and transmission, the weight of the machine is reduced by 500 kg. Each caterpillar of the new design on the 150 kg is lighter than its predecessor. Thus, the mass of the upgraded machine MT-LB is reduced by 800 kg in comparison with the original configuration.

It is noted that an increase in the stock of carrying capacity can be used to increase the level of protection. On top of the existing anti-bullet armor, having a relatively small thickness, you can install additional mounted modules. It is obvious that such a refinement is currently of particular importance. MT-LB has long ceased to meet modern requirements in terms of protection, and therefore any strengthening of its own armor would not be superfluous.

Other information about the initiated revision of the serial MT-LB from the combat units has not yet been given. In particular, the source RIA Novosti did not mention the replacement of standard weapons or the installation of new combat modules, did not tell about the modernization of on-board electronics, etc. However, it can be assumed that the new draft of the equipment does not provide for the replacement of weapons or electronic equipment, since it is intended only to improve the basic technical characteristics.

Unfortunately, accurate information about the results of the proposed modernization and its impact on the tactical and technical characteristics of armored vehicles has not yet been announced. However, even the available data allow us to make some assumptions and conclusions. From the available information it follows that the upgraded MT-LB will indeed exceed the basic equipment in different indicators of mobility and maneuverability.

It is known that the MT-LB in the base version has a mass of 9,7 t and is equipped with an 240 hp engine. Thus, the specific power of the machine is 24,7 HP. per ton. In this case, the tractor on the highway could reach speeds of more than 60-61 km / h and swim at speeds up to 5-6 km / h. Power reserve reached 500 km / h.

MT-LB are undergoing another modernization
Engine KAMASCH-740.50. Photo of PJSC "KAMAZ" / kamaz.ru


After modernization, the weight of the machine is reduced to 8,9 t with an increase in engine power to 360 hp. Thus, the power density grows to more than remarkable 40 hp. per ton. Due to this, there are opportunities to increase all the basic characteristics of the machine. Increased power can be used both to increase speeds and to increase protection or transport heavier loads. However, the acceleration of the tractor to increased speeds should lead to an increase in the load on the chassis and to increased wear.

It is easy to calculate what is the load carrying capacity of the modernized multi-purpose armored vehicle. Having a 360-strong engine, it can weigh almost 14,5 t and at the same time show power density at the level of the basic configuration. Additional tons in the stock of carrying capacity can be used to enhance protection, install a new combat module with other weapons, etc. However, this time the problem of strength should appear. The current draft of the update, apparently, does not provide for the strengthening of the hull or chassis, which does not allow to get rid of restrictions in certain areas.

Finally, the proposed upgrade should improve the performance of the equipment. Serial MT-LBs are equipped with a very successful engine for their time, but it no longer fully meets modern economy requirements. Its replacement, in turn, leads to an increase in the basic characteristics, as well as to simplified operation and maintenance.

RIA Novosti reports that the modernization of existing multi-purpose machines MT-LB has already started and is being carried out at the Remdiesel plant. However, the most interesting information about the received order from the Ministry of Defense has not yet been announced. In particular, the number of ordered tractors in the updated configuration remains unknown. It also does not specify from which parts they arrive at the restructuring and who will have to use the updated equipment. Perhaps such information will appear in the near future.

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It should be noted that the modernization project currently being implemented by the Remdiesel plant is not the first attempt to seriously upgrade a fairly old multipurpose armored vehicle. Over the years, a number of domestic and foreign enterprises regularly offered various projects that included replacing the engine and transmission in order to improve operational and technical characteristics. At the same time, some projects proposed replacing old YMZ-238 engines with new modifications of the same family, while others provided for more serious changes.


Chassis elements MT-LB. The new project replaces the caterpillar. Photo author


Another quite popular way to modernize MT-LB was rearmament, which meant abandoning the standard turret with a machine gun.
rifle caliber in favor of more serious combat modules. In this area, the company Muromteplovoz (the city of Murom) showed remarkable results. It has long been engaged in the subject of upgrading light tractors and offers customers a half dozen options for updating MT-LB or rebuilding such equipment into machines for other purposes. In all cases we are talking about the installation of new units, as well as the use of different types of combat modules borrowed from serial equipment. According to the results of such upgrades, the serial MT-LB can carry not only a rifle-caliber machine gun, but also a large-caliber system or an automatic cannon. Also offered are self-propelled mortar and earth-moving machines on the same chassis.

Projects "Muromteplovoz" have already managed to interest potential customers. Thus, one of the proposed variants of a multipurpose armored vehicle under the designation MT-LB 6MB was adopted in service with the Russian army. This model differs from the base tractor with an additional under-roof box on which the turret with the 2А72 automatic cannon, the PKTM machine gun and smoke grenade launchers is placed. Despite the installation of new weapons, the machine retains the ability to transport people and goods or towing various trailers.

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According to various sources, at present, there are almost 6 thousand MT-LB multi-purpose MT-LB multi-purpose armored troop-carrier vehicles in the fleet of Russian armed forces. The main part of this technology belongs to the ground forces, while no more than 300 armored vehicles are in the possession of the marines. About 2 thousand units of equipment sent for storage due to the development of the resource and the lack of need for them. The remaining machines remain in operation and are designed to solve various problems. From time to time such equipment is undergoing the necessary repairs, as well as being upgraded according to new projects.

According to the latest news, to date, the military department has ordered the implementation of a new project to modernize existing equipment. This time the order of the Ministry of Defense is being carried out by the Remdiesel plant, and the essence of the project is to replace the power units. First of all, this means that in the near future the army will receive updated vehicles with enhanced characteristics. In addition, the appearance of a new order clearly demonstrates the desire of the military to maintain the existing equipment in service. Thus, MT-LB will still have to serve and contribute to the defense capability.

On the materials of the sites:
http://ria.ru/
http://rg.ru/
http://redstar.ru/
https://kamaz.ru/
http://muromteplovoz.ru/
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 15 May 2018 06: 54
    +3
    Groundhorse workhorse smile
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 15 May 2018 07: 01
      +9
      I agree. But here is the replacement of YAMZ with the KAMAZ engine ... YAMZ is simpler and more convenient to maintain and even more reliable than the KAMAZ engine
      1. faridg7
        faridg7 15 May 2018 15: 32
        +3
        Quote: Nehist
        I agree. But here is the replacement of YAMZ with the KAMAZ engine ... YAMZ is simpler and more convenient to maintain and even more reliable than the KAMAZ engine

        This is true, but the torque of the Yaroslavl is much less, maybe this was the decisive argument. I really liked that the GMKP will be put on the car - it will be great compared to the antediluvian on-board friction clutches, and there will be less problems with clutches (unless of course they put a fluid coupling or torque converter, which in general will be logical). But most of all I'm glad that the tracks will be delivered with rubber-metal hinges - I still remember how it is:
        with a light blow of a sledgehammer on the punch, remove the finger connecting the tracks ...
        fingers then almost every 500 km of run must be changed in the entire caterpillar. Until you kill your fingers, you’ll swagger with a sledgehammer ...
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 18 May 2018 19: 40
        +2
        Quote: Nehist
        But here is the replacement of YAMZ with the KAMAZ engine ... YAMZ is simpler and more convenient to maintain and even more reliable than the KAMAZ engine

        Quote: faridg7
        This is true, but Yaroslavl’s torque is much less

        KAMAZ-740 and YaMZ-238 diesels are produced in various modifications, which also have different indicators of torque and power (up to 360 l / s KamAZ (with high-pressure fuel pump) and up to 400 YaMZ). They put the simplest, basic YaMZ-238 (240 l / s) on the moto league, and they want to replace it not with the basic 210-strong KamAZ-740 at all, but with a rather forced motor.
        What is the difference between these motors, quite similar in general structure?
        Without going into technical details, we can say that the YMZ has significantly less specific loads due to the fact that it has a larger working volume and lower revs. In addition, YaMZ simply has more “thicker” and more durable parts of the KShM, although heavier ...
        For off-road working conditions, when a relatively high torque “on the bottoms” is required, for long-term operation at a rated power of a tractor for plowing or MTLB tractor in heavy road conditions pulling a solid artillery system, etc. YaMZ is more preferable.
        Although, of course, diesel from a heavy KamAZ truck can also be used. But KamAZ tractors, unlike YaMZ, nevertheless, do not.
  2. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 15 May 2018 09: 21
    +4
    It is known that the MT-LB in the base version has a mass of 9,7 t and is equipped with an 240 hp engine. Thus, the specific power of the machine is 24,7 HP. per ton. In this case, the tractor on the highway could reach speeds of more than 60-61 km / h and swim at speeds up to 5-6 km / h. Power reserve reached 500 km / h.

    240 horses for the tractor is more than enough! The T-34-85 weighed 32 tons and had an engine with a capacity of 500 horses, and tankers did not complain about the weakness of the engine. And the fact that the engine, increased by 100 times in power, will tear the box, hodovka and tracks, which are not designed for this, it is XNUMX%!
    Anyway, changing weapons, increasing reservations - it makes no sense. A motolyga is a tractor, not an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle, it does not need to go on the attack. If you are so anxious about increasing the armor and weapons for the tractor, then it’s easier to carry guns on the BTR-82 or BMP-3.
    1. Oden280
      Oden280 15 May 2018 09: 44
      +2
      MT-LB are the main armored personnel carriers in the North and other extreme places. BTR-82 or BMP there is somehow not very cold. In this regard, during the modernization it is necessary to look at what would not impair the operational reliability of the machine.
    2. alatanas
      alatanas 15 May 2018 10: 08
      +2

      Photo by: By Tourbillon - Own Creative, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=4
      990126
      Bulgarian BMP 23 / 30 based on MT-LB
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 15 May 2018 10: 10
        0
        Can we really follow some Bulgarians?
        1. alatanas
          alatanas 15 May 2018 10: 27
          +12
          Nobody is forcing.
          Some
          Bulgarians are no different from
          such and such
          Russians other hi
      2. Cananecat
        Cananecat 15 May 2018 15: 00
        +1
        And what is the vitality of this BMP in battle? Before the first hit? )))
        1. Lexa-149
          Lexa-149 16 May 2018 13: 52
          0
          Bulgarians have strengthened the reservation. True, the development is ancient. But the idea is good. On this machine and the landing squad more than our BMP. The machine has 7 pairs of track rollers and runs smoothly according to irregularities, unlike the same BMP, which rides a goat over bumps.
      3. ICT
        ICT 15 May 2018 19: 13
        +3
        Quote: alatanas
        BMN 23 / 30 based on MT-LB

        Well, more precisely, on the basis of CLOVES,
        1. alatanas
          alatanas 16 May 2018 12: 14
          +1
          Yes. True remark.
        2. alatanas
          alatanas 16 May 2018 12: 32
          +2
          More precisely:
          -BMP-23 - Bulgarian infantry fighting vehicle with the installation of 23-mm guns 2A14 and ATGM 9K11 "Baby" in a double turret. The machine is based on the MT-LB chassis using the components of the 2С1 self-propelled gun chassis.
          1. ICT
            ICT 16 May 2018 15: 56
            +4
            Quote: alatanas
            The machine is based on the MT-LB chassis using the components of the 2С1 self-propelled gun chassis.

            not in Russian, but turned everything inside out

            the chassis base of the 2С1 self-propelled guns uses the chassis and components of the MT-LB as well as the BMP-23 base
            made on the basis of the chassis of the 2С1 self-propelled guns (what the contours of the hull and one extra skating rink about the fact that the interior has been redone I don’t know about this and I am silent _)
    3. NF68
      NF68 15 May 2018 15: 57
      +2
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      240 horses for the tractor are more than enough! The T-34-85 weighed 32 t and had an engine with 500 horsepower, and the tankers did not complain about the engine’s weakness.


      The B-2 engine has an engine displacement almost 2,5 times that of the YaMZ-238. And the maximum speed of the T-34-85 will still be lower than that of MTLB.
    4. Huumi
      Huumi 15 May 2018 16: 20
      +1
      yes, no, I read the mechvods and other crew members that they screwed in the screws so that the diesel engine roamed more, though it "ended" faster, but it could be given when it was necessary to do it. The same thing happened on Cobra with Allison.
      1. NF68
        NF68 15 May 2018 20: 51
        0
        Quote: Huumi
        yes, no, I read the mechvods and other crew members that they screwed in the screws so that the diesel engine roamed more, though it "ended" faster, but it could be given when it was necessary to do it. The same thing happened on Cobra with Allison.


        At MTLB, the fuel apparatus also happened to be tightened up and accelerated to more than 70 km / h.
  3. ARES623
    ARES623 15 May 2018 10: 40
    +11
    MT-LBV is an old reliable and cheap tractor, which they began to use as an armored personnel carrier on the lack of fish. There is no armor on it, only from cones in the forest, so that a dozen boxes with bp for D-30 or a couple of barrels with diesel fuel do not push the roof. From 200 meters the propeller cartridge breaks through. But if this machine is called “lightly armored”, then when the weapon is mounted on a tractor unit, it is heavier than PKM (Strela 10, 2A72 or, God forbid, Competition, etc.), the commander creates an illusion of security and a desire to send it into real combat. And in the battle from this armor, there’s no sense 0, except against the pedestrian encirclement with personal weapons like a pistol or M-4. It is better not to protrude against this enemy’s armored personnel carrier, it will be shot in both sides at any range. It floats very conditionally, i.e. when new and the barrier is not wide. During operation, especially in winter, the car starts up well with the “pusher”, which is often used by the mv. At the same time, the stand bends between the doors and they cease to keep water in the submerged state. I saw how, with such a launch, the stern door pushed through the nose of the pushing machine. This is of course an ugly violation of operating rules, but where are they not? Especially when the battery sags at low temperatures. There is no air launch, as on the BTT. KAMAZ 740.50-360, which they plan to deliver for amplification, is certainly not bad, but, I am afraid, from the turbine on it for the mine there will be stumbling blocks. RMSh on the goose grooves 600-650 mm wide, of course, is a necessary thing, and the old main gear must be changed, definitely. There is another sore - the track tension crank. It breaks down for a “one”, a fairly light blow against an obstacle when turning. If there is a margin of weight, then the reservation must be strengthened, at least until stability against 20-25 mm. But it will already be a different building, another car.
    1. alatanas
      alatanas 15 May 2018 10: 52
      +5
      Well, another drawback:
      - in the troop compartment it always stinks of diesel fuel and when riding at higher speeds the paratroopers suffer from "sea sickness" request
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 May 2018 11: 13
        +1
        And why is MT LB better than the new army tractor?
        1. tank66
          tank66 15 May 2018 11: 33
          +7
          The height of the projection in the scope and patency, I think.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 May 2018 14: 21
            +1
            This truck can carry much more than MT LB, and it’s easier to repair the truck.
            1. BAI
              BAI 15 May 2018 15: 05
              +2
              For this, the truck does not float.
        2. ARES623
          ARES623 15 May 2018 16: 48
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          And why is MT LB better than the new army tractor?

          The driver of this mastodon will be afraid to look at the road that the "metal" jokingly passes.
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 15 May 2018 16: 45
        +4
        Quote: alatanas
        in the troop compartment it always stinks of diesel fuel and when riding at higher speeds the paratroopers suffer from "sea sickness"

        Diesel fuel does not stink, it has a unique aroma wink It’s not very cool if halfway this fragrance disappears laughing But seasickness in paratroopers is temporary. As the popular infantry proverb says, it’s better to ride badly than to run well. laughing
        1. alatanas
          alatanas 16 May 2018 12: 19
          +1
          Reasonable remark! It’s better to ride under the cover of some kind of armor than to run without any cover. good
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 16 May 2018 16: 21
            0
            When you are shot at MTLB from PKM, do you have a big difference in dying from 5,45 * 45 than from 7,62 * 54? From 7,62 * 54, even if the wound is heavier, and you will die faster, or even instantly and without pain. A bullet from 7,62 * 54 when breaking through the Matalygi armor turns into a 5,56 * 45 bullet, with armor piercing.
    2. tank66
      tank66 15 May 2018 11: 28
      +3
      Yes, the KAMAZ turbines are still sores. If optimizers start saving on them, hemorrhoids are ensured. / The guarantee must be clearly framed-gygs / A lightweight goose dogs raise doubts about how thick the fingers will be, if they are eaten on a regular one, sometimes they don’t unfasten without a cutter.
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 15 May 2018 16: 50
        +2
        Quote: tank66
        what thickness the fingers will be, if they are so eaten on a regular one, sometimes you can’t unfasten it without a cutter.

        Parallel RMSh as in BMP works 4 times more, and there are less problems with it.
  4. san4es
    san4es 15 May 2018 12: 34
    0
    hi Another quite popular way to modernize MT-LB was rearmament, which meant abandoning the standard turret with a machine gun.
    soldier
  5. the47th
    the47th 15 May 2018 13: 22
    +3
    Using not the most resourceful KAMAZ-740 is a strange solution. In my opinion it is better to use the turbocharged YaMZ-238DE. Although less powerful.
  6. Curious
    Curious 15 May 2018 13: 26
    +3
    Some interesting combinations. On the one hand, there are "no analogs in the world" samples, which in nature are even scary to show and are shown only in cartoons. On the other - the modernization of the distant Soviet heritage in the form of BMP-1, MT-LB and other things. Or is it thrift?
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 15 May 2018 18: 20
      +1
      Of course thrift. It’s impossible to develop new technology, but it will not be mass soon. And what remains of the Great Ancestors must be preserved and used to the fullest.
      1. Curious
        Curious 15 May 2018 18: 43
        +1

        "What remains of the Great Ancestors"
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 15 May 2018 18: 47
          0
          Well, this is already a museum exhibit. But in general, the Civil War was one of the stages in the formation of military art of the 20th century.
        2. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 15 May 2018 21: 57
          0
          Quote: Curious
          Curious (Victor) Today, 18:43 PM ↑ New

          "What remains of the Great Ancestors"

          If you can harness more than a hundred horses (and most importantly manage them), we will take this into service. wink
        3. kakvastam
          kakvastam 23 May 2018 18: 00
          0
          It all depends on your opponent:

          Whatever happens, we have got
          The Maxim gun, and they have not.


          Maxim is definitely there.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 15 May 2018 21: 34
      +5
      Quote: Curious
      Some interesting combinations. On the one hand, there are "no analogs in the world" samples, which in nature are even scary to show and are shown only in cartoons. On the other - the modernization of the distant Soviet heritage in the form of BMP-1, MT-LB and other things. Or is it thrift?

      There is no one of its own, democratic capitalist, and so, in order to protect its assets, it is necessary to improve the products of socialism laughing drinks
  7. BAI
    BAI 15 May 2018 15: 11
    +1
    And in 2017, it was proudly announced, and the following was quoted at VO:
    We refuse to upgrade old weapons. Although it must be said that modernization is as normal as the creation of new designs. But modernization should not be an infinite number. Three, four, no more. Otherwise it stops the creation of a new weapons program.
    - Rogozin said in an interview with the Vesti Saturday program, RIA Novosti reports.

    On the other hand, there was a program on Zvezda about the modernization of old armored vehicles. The filling completely changes and an interesting technique comes out. They made an excellent fire support robot from the BTR-60.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 15 May 2018 18: 37
      0
      Three, four, no more

      Well, after all, for MTLB this is only the first :)
    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 23 May 2018 18: 03
      0
      MT-LB is not an old car. Maximum, elderly. smile
  8. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 15 May 2018 16: 27
    +2
    The power of the Kamaz 740.50-360 engine is 265 hp. It is necessary to read the manufacturer’s website more carefully. Therefore, everything is in the article under the tail.
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 15 May 2018 16: 55
      +1
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      The power of the Kamaz 740.50-360 engine is 265 hp.

      265 is in kW and in hp - 360
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Carefully read the manufacturer's website


      https://kamaz.ru/production/related/semeystvo-kam
      az-740-50 /
    2. NF68
      NF68 15 May 2018 20: 59
      0
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      The power of the Kamaz 740.50-360 engine is 265 hp. It is necessary to read the manufacturer’s website more carefully. Therefore, everything is in the article under the tail.


      265 Qu.: 0,736 = 360 hp
  9. Armed_Aisia
    Armed_Aisia 15 May 2018 17: 07
    0
    I would like to DZ.
    1. Bad thing
      Bad thing 16 May 2018 22: 38
      +2
      His own DZ and tear.
    2. NF68
      NF68 17 May 2018 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Armed_Aisia
      I would like to DZ.


      And then how much will all this pleasure cost?
  10. gladcu2
    gladcu2 15 May 2018 19: 24
    +3
    It is reasonable to put inline 6 cylinders. They are cheaper. In order to reduce fuel consumption.

    Armament and excessive protection, the tractor is not needed.
    Speed ​​over 60 is also nonsense.

    No need to make a fighting vehicle out of a tractor. Nonsense.
    1. max702
      max702 19 May 2018 11: 16
      0
      Quote: gladcu2
      It is reasonable to put inline 6 cylinders. They are cheaper. In order to reduce fuel consumption.

      Do you mean YaMZ-536? I agree an excellent engine, especially in the Euro-0 version 451l \ s .. But there is a problem in it half of the imported components, and very high fuel requirements .. And so yes, 536 should be the main army engine ..
  11. garri-lin
    garri-lin 15 May 2018 20: 20
    +7
    I think it's not worth changing the engine for a more powerful one. Yes, and with such a difference. For moto league the main resource and maintainability. Deliver chtoit within the limits of old power but lively and economical. No frills. Replacing the transmission and tracks will already increase the cross-country ability and ease of use. Add reverse to the transmission. So that all transfers are forward and backward.
    Armor reinforce this nonsense. Let's reserve field kitchens then. The only thing you need is mine protection. The driver’s armchair to the ceiling p to extinguish the shock wave to the floor. The machine gun should not be removed. The crew is calmer with him. (Psychological factor).
    Plus regular PNV to the mechvod. And a rear view camera.
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 15 May 2018 21: 24
      +2
      Yeah. Only here the KAMAZ engines for repair in PARM are of little use.
    2. ARES623
      ARES623 15 May 2018 21: 41
      +1
      Quote: garri-lin
      For moto league the main resource and maintainability.

      MT-LB is primarily a tractor for non-self-propelled artillery. One of the main qualities of the armored tractor is the saving of the life of the calculation of the gun. Given modern technical means, counter-battery fire will be very fast. Hence the conclusion - the armor should be at least anti-shatter from 155 mm OFS.
      Quote: garri-lin
      Add reverse to the transmission. So that all transfers are forward and backward.

      What for? He doesn’t see very well forward, but generally blind back. Why does he need 50 km / h reverse? The main gear today allows it to unfold at the point of the center of mass, one lump forward, the other back. This quality is very convenient.
      Quote: garri-lin
      Armor reinforce this nonsense. Let's reserve field kitchens then.

      Let's remove “lightly armored” from the name and cover it with a tarpaulin awning, like a GTT.
      Quote: garri-lin
      Chair of the driver to the ceiling n to dampen the shock-absorbing wave to the floor

      Yeah, and the catapult through the hatch (at the mine usually a hatch instead of the ceiling, on my “Bulgarians” it was like that, on the ukrov hatch between the mine and the shooter) so that the eggs fell into the hole in the floor (floor - 5 mm of iron )
      1. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 16 May 2018 12: 51
        +1
        Can even abandon non-self-propelled artillery? Given the speed of opening counter-battery fire. Because It takes time to put the gun into the stowed position. And this time may no longer be. It will remain only to drop into the tractor and leave by throwing a gun or mortar.
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 16 May 2018 13: 11
        +2
        1.
        How is the fit and counter-battery fire of the enemy connected? No way. For calculations of towed guns, not the armor will matter but the speed of leaving the position. And in towed with this, everything is very bad. Nobody will wait for the shelling at the position in the box either. Only underground. Verified.
        2.
        About the reverse, you are probably right. I don’t argue here.
        3.
        Native armor on a motor league is not much but not a little. Just for non-military equipment. Strengthening the armor will lead to weighting. Shards and rifle holding? You can say that it holds. That's enough. They do not attack them.
        4.
        I did not understand about kakapulbtu.
    3. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 16 May 2018 13: 03
      0
      I agree that reinforcing armor can do a disservice. And with the strengthening of reservations and weapons, the illusion that it can be fought at the forefront may arise. Although in the Middle East they were used at the forefront by all parties, this is from "lack of fish". I think the best option is a complete transition to self-propelled artillery made on the basis of old MTLB hulls. As well as air defense systems and anti-tank systems. This increases mobility and reduces the time for a change of position.
      1. Bad thing
        Bad thing 16 May 2018 22: 43
        +2
        That’s all there is, CJSC “Host” of the Strela-10 air defense system is now experiencing Bagulnik, the Sturm-S anti-aircraft missile system.
  12. kordon332
    kordon332 17 May 2018 10: 00
    +2
    We’ll break our spears in vain. We are not able to carry out a full-fledged modernization of the MT-LM plant of the Remdiesel type due to the lack of specialists, technology and finances. There’s no one to shoot a machine gun at all, it’s not possible to install another engine. We’ve repaired the engines, let’s continue continue to repair.
  13. Dead hand
    Dead hand 18 May 2018 19: 05
    0
    Kamaz in the furnace .. there with YaMZ it’s normal ... a harp with a closed hinge ... a harrow of an RMSh .......))) Will they put the GT? ... helm helm)))
  14. nikoliski
    nikoliski 31 July 2018 09: 39
    -1
    In! and then give them armats for 10 lyam euros apiece, right now we’ll equip the old men with moto-rods with cornet, they can still be more dangerous than armats wink By the way, in the conditions of the war with China, somewhere in the swampy Siberia, among the deep snowdrifts, clearly passable than the tank will be