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Sobibor. The reaction to the film in a single cinema

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Recently, there was no special reason to rejoice in the quality of domestic cinema in the lighting segment. stories Great Patriotic War. Perhaps one of these relatively recent reasons was "28 Panfilov." But this is a separate topic, as the film initially began to be created in the framework of a truly popular initiative, and for a long time - and financial, too. By the way, thank you, our dear readers, for having responded to the appeal and financially supported the project to the extent possible, which the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation decided to finance later.


So, there was, frankly, not a lot of special reasons for applauding Russian cinema about the Great Patriotic War, but it seems that such an occasion appears in these days. And this reason is the film "Sobibor" by Konstantin Khabensky. Immediately make a remark: a) a purely personal opinion - in no way claiming to be the ultimate truth; b) Konstantin Khabensky does not know the author of the material, and the article on the “Military Review” (and sometimes this kind of “conspiracy claims” by individual users suddenly appear on our pages) did not pay, c) you can agree or disagree with the opinion, - the will of each of the readers, and finally, d) is, God forbid, not an advertisement for the film.

In general, about the film - for personal feelings. Although not even so much about the film as about the reaction of people in the auditorium.

Not so long ago, a discussion between Khabensky and one of the journalists after the premiere of Sobibor in St. Petersburg was discussed at VO. Then the journalist asked, in fact, not an idle question. The question of what kind of reaction can a director have to do if people come to the film (average visitors of modern cinemas) with popcorn and coke. Then Khabensky boiled over, stating whether the woman did not regard many of the visitors of the cinema as "fools". The question was something else: really, is it possible to enter this film with the same popcorn and crunch during the scene, for example, with the poisoning of women in the gas chamber ...

During the presence of your humble servant at the Sobibor show, people actually came to the cinema, in whose hands were buckets with popcorn. And one of these buckets was in the hands of a boy of years 12, who came to the cinema, probably with his mother. So it turned out that we are located on the same row. And the first thought that flashed through my head when the lights went out in the hall - will this movie really be watched, without ceasing to chew sweet corn? ..

A few minutes in the hall was really heard chewing and the sounds of soda passing through a tube ... But ... Then, no such sounds could be heard. Maybe they just finished it all? - it was thought at that moment. More on this later.

After some time, I felt some uncharacteristic tremor in the row on which I was sitting. At first I could not understand what was happening, then the reason was revealed - several people began to sob, and obviously trying to contain themselves, but it did not work out. Emotions from viewing restrain themselves are not allowed. Judging by the age - female students who decided to spend a Sunday evening in the cinema. Have you been consciously at the Sobibor? - As it turned out later: no. It turned out that what is really - students. “We saw a Russian film on a poster, they decided to watch it, but they didn’t think it would be like that ...”

“I don’t remember when I last cried at the cinema. In my opinion, when my parents took me there for the first time, it's up to school. But she started crying because the lights were turned off. Now - the film to tears ... ", - said one of the spectators.

What, in fact, the film - if from personal perception. Yes, declaratively - a film about the exploits of the officer of the Red Army to free the prisoners of the death camp "Sobibor". Yes, the film is about those Nazi atrocities that some gentlemen and ladies have somehow forgotten about. But this film has several very important, if I may say so, accompanying stories. One of them: the question of what kind of strength of mind, charisma, self-confidence must be possessed in order to lead hundreds of people who have long fallen into despair and perceive their existence under the sole of the executioners as a given, against which "one cannot go." The question of how to explain to people that they can take revenge on the executioners with their own hands, being aware of their greed, how to become a community, ceasing to perceive themselves as someone who is left alone and cannot do anything.

Lieutenant Pechersky at Sobibor did it. And today it is important that it turned out to convey this nerve from the director "Sobibor".

Another accompanying story - the role of a man who took the oath and is ready to follow it even where it would seem impossible by definition. Speech on the core of a person who (core) may be religious or other ideological. This can be regarded as a reference to the fact that a society without ideology is going nowhere, turning into a set of blinkered individualists or, rather, pseudo-individualists, who are looking for justification every time.

The film is about heroism and betrayal, about those who are not really ready to cave in, and about those who decide to find their path in opportunism.

Sobibor. The reaction to the film in a single cinema


One of the scenes in Sobibor attracted special attention: people running through the broken camp gate past the wounded camp commander Karl Frenzel (played by Christopher Lambert), still take off their caps. He is wounded, they are a step away from freedom, but still they take off and bow. Shrill ...

This once again underlines the enormous task that the Soviet officer who was in the Nazi concentration camp was solving. The task is to explain to the prisoners the very need to abandon the slave's ideology driven in and obtain for themselves the long-awaited freedom. In the film, this is one of the brightest episodes.

Returning to the above-mentioned young viewer from the cinema.

Turn on the light. He got out of his chair with his mother, holding in his hand the very thing - almost full - a bucket of popcorn ... He didn’t touch. Sniff, leaving the hall. And the reaction of other viewers also attracted attention - they walked in silence, slowly, the majority - looked somewhere on the floor.

Without pathos: the film made an impression and, judging by the reaction of the audience, not only on your humble servant. It is important - without falsehood, without procrastination, without replay. All of the case. Memory is just refreshing ... And as a history lesson for the younger generation - in the top ten. Although, once again, the opinion is purely personal and certainly not imposed on anyone. It may seem to someone that popcorn and cola are still more worthy of attention ...
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 17 May 2018 05: 34
    +13
    I prefer to watch films telling about historical events, without emphasis on steaminess, showing vile human instincts and sexual perversity. This "goodness" is still enough in the "incident chronicle." If the film doesn’t make you think about anything, then this whole scenario, this whole one, “seen from an individual perspective and with special vision, perceived by the author’s instinct”, the story is not worth a damn ...
    In addition, the director himself casts doubt, filming events in which even his parents could participate only in the form of an egg and sperm ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 May 2018 06: 21
      +85
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In addition, the director himself casts doubt, filming events in which even his parents could participate only in the form of an egg and sperm ...

      Wow! But the directors who made films about Peter 1 and Ivan the Terrible also did not live at that time, but their films remain masterpieces, which many filmmakers equal. As for Khabensky’s film, it’s great that he made a film about the feat of a Soviet officer, and in Europe he should have been shown, yes, in all countries. And then they began to forget - disagreed with popcorn. And in Russian schools - without fail. And then they are dragged to the Yeltsin Museum on an excursion, but there is no way to see such a film. But he will bring much more benefit to the younger generation. So that not only in words they remember, but they felt with all my heart.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 17 May 2018 13: 34
        +13
        They have already shot enough about this Sobibor. Having completely forgotten about Buchenwald with a much more successful rebellion. Why didn’t you think about it?
        The answer is the familiar Holocaust PR. Even the doubtfulness of the source telling the story does not stop. This is all from the words of the commander of the Red Army himself, how brave and good he is. Moreover, it was told 2 years after the war. By the way, he received the award not for the feat, but for the wound, as well as a dozen more people from the award sheet. And whether it was wounded or not - only the hospital’s archive knows ... Such fakes are a dime a dozen. But the producers grab only for the one in which the hero has the correct nationality.
        And what about Buchenwald? Well, the prisoners captured the camp, broke the guard, held on for two days. Again, these Russian Communists ...
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 17 May 2018 06: 55
      +54
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I prefer to watch films telling about historical events, without emphasis on steaminess, showing vile human instincts and sexual perversity.

      Hmm, and the movie "Ordinary Fascism" to which films do you attribute?
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In addition, the director himself is in doubt

      Che, didn’t come out with a mug?
      Quote: ROSS 42
      filming events in which even his parents could participate only in the form of an egg and a sperm ...

      Well, then you are trying to talk about historical events with such pathos, as if they themselves took part in them !!!
    3. Polkanov
      Polkanov 17 May 2018 07: 57
      +3
      ... childish maximalism, comrade. But baby ...
    4. Vend
      Vend 17 May 2018 09: 22
      +13
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I prefer to watch films telling about historical events, without emphasis on steaminess, showing vile human instincts and sexual perversity. This "goodness" is still enough in the "incident chronicle." If the film doesn’t make you think about anything, then this whole scenario, this whole one, “seen from an individual perspective and with special vision, perceived by the author’s instinct”, the story is not worth a damn ...
      In addition, the director himself casts doubt, filming events in which even his parents could participate only in the form of an egg and sperm ...

      To do this, it is necessary that the film begins with a brilliant script, and continues with a vision of a brilliant director. It is much easier to show atrocities than to invent cinematic moves hinting at what is happening. And about doubts about the director and historical events, historical films were shot before and no one lived under Peter I or Ivan the Terrible. And the films turned out to be dried by the historical atmosphere. You look and believe, but it was.
      And for the author. Well, why in modern Russia, when they say good things, they immediately justify themselves saying that I’m not bought. When will the weeds planted in 90 already be pulled out with the root? Why so shame? You should be ashamed when you pour dirt on your country, and not vice versa. Article +
      1. Alena Frolovna
        Alena Frolovna 17 May 2018 11: 30
        +30
        Quote: Ross xnumx
        In addition, the director himself is in doubt


        Khabensky about working on the film "Sobibor"
        “It was important for me to show the moment of the fracture, the transformation from SOVIET MAN в normal person.
        What's the Difference? The Soviet public is above personal».

        Abnormal people in windings and coarse overcoats
        For Soviet power, volunteers went to war
        ,
        So that normal sleep normally in normal beds,
        Seeing sweet dreams, drooling on pillows.

        Abnormal people for glory did not climb onto the stage,
        Not putting personal fame in broken pennies.
        But they paid a great price for "their friends" ...
        Crazy people! Well, what if you take abnormal
        .


        I am proud that I am abnormal, that is, I am a SOVIET MAN !!!

        And another opinion:

        "The motive for the escape of Pechersky is love for a woman ... (Khabensky)

        Here it is .... But what about the first attempt to escape? Or THERE was also love (only apparently low, and even then the “normal” person did not work out of it) ???
        Or maybe still Pechersky did not want to become a bar of soap and organized a second, successful escape? But this is my personal reasoning.
        And away we go: "he is an artist, he sees so... ".
    5. Cananecat
      Cananecat 17 May 2018 09: 25
      +7
      I prefer to think about the extreme nearness of the author of the commentary, in view of the fact that he allowed himself a statement to the director, although he was not personally acquainted with the latter. laughing
      1. Vend
        Vend 17 May 2018 12: 26
        +5
        Quote: Canecat
        I prefer to think about the extreme nearness of the author of the commentary, in view of the fact that he allowed himself a statement to the director, although he was not personally acquainted with the latter. laughing

        In your opinion, do you need to be personally acquainted in order to express your opinion?
        1. Cananecat
          Cananecat 17 May 2018 19: 02
          +1
          It could be said bluntly - "I don’t like Khabensky ..." and not make a garden about eggs and sperm ... so it would be more honest.
          And yes ... you didn’t notice sarcasm above ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 17 May 2018 21: 07
            0
            Quote: Canecat
            You could say directly - "I do not like Khabensky

            Khabensky is a brilliant actor, all his roles are alive. I do not like that he has housing in Spain, his son is studying abroad ...
            1. kaban7
              kaban7 17 May 2018 23: 08
              +2
              And I do not like your concern with this circumstance.
    6. sergo1914
      sergo1914 17 May 2018 10: 46
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In addition, the director himself casts doubt, filming events in which even his parents could participate only in the form of an egg and sperm ...


      Can you name the names of the directors "not in doubt"?
      1. romandostalo
        romandostalo 19 May 2018 00: 51
        +2
        And I do not like that Khabensky in one of his previous interviews said that he did not like the tragedy, but rather like the farce .... And still did not like his instant appearance in advertising .....
    7. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 May 2018 07: 59
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In addition, the director himself casts doubt, filming events in which even his parents could participate only in the form of an egg and sperm ...

      that is, we can’t shoot historical tapes at all?
      But what about movies about very ancient times?
  2. raw174
    raw174 17 May 2018 07: 09
    +12
    Be sure to watch the movie.
    I am glad that a good movie is starting to appear here! Based on real events - 28 Panfilovites, Legend 17, Poddubny, Upward movement. There is a good action movie - 22 minutes. From fiction - Attraction, not bad ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 20 May 2018 14: 06
      +1
      Quote: raw174
      From fiction - Attraction, not bad ...
      Threshing floor, do not watch this.
      1. raw174
        raw174 22 May 2018 09: 46
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        Threshing floor, do not watch this.

        For each film there is a spectator (someone who watches “Defenders” and “White Tiger”), and Attraction is quite a solid film in its own genre ...
        1. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth 23 May 2018 18: 55
          0
          Guano is your Attraction, it is for victims of the exam who are not even familiar with elementary logic. The same guano as Viking and others.
  3. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 17 May 2018 07: 20
    +18
    It is necessary to spit on the rental and lay out similar pictures in all available resources and all languages. For some reason, I want to hope that there are still more sane and reasoning people on the planet than single-bit zombies. Emotions - that’s what man is doing, all Western propaganda is built on negative emotions, which means our opposite task is to try to arouse positive emotions in people and make people meaningfully distinguish black and inaudible gray shades from light and universal. Pathos, of course, but
    The sun is afraid of mold
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 17 May 2018 07: 36
    +11
    Soundly made film ... and quality ...
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 May 2018 07: 54
    +17
    Steps of development of Khabensky, Kolchak, drank the globe, and finally frank dirt. And enough for us to poke a Holocaust in our nose! Many more Russians have died, and the Jewish theme is a business project and everyone has it. So Kostya kissed.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 17 May 2018 10: 30
      +23
      Quote: Gardamir
      Steps of development of Khabensky, Kolchak, drank the globe, and finally frank dirt. And enough for us to poke a Holocaust in our nose! Many more Russians have died, and the Jewish theme is a business project and everyone has it. So Kostya kissed.

      I am a Jew, part of my relatives died in the Holocaust, I didn’t receive any money from it and didn’t apply. Nobody pokes your nose into the Holocaust, and the film is about the exploit of a SOVIET officer who did not break in captivity.
      Got you with a Jewish Theme - vote with your feet and don’t go to the cinema to see this picture. Don’t use Google, Yandex and mail ru either - these are really Jewish businesses with a significant share of Jewish participation.
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 17 May 2018 10: 47
      +12
      Quote: Gardamir
      Many more Russians have died, and the Jewish theme is a business project and everyone has it.

      I would look how you would say it in the face of Caesar Kunikov or Fisanovich. Oh, it would be fun.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 17 May 2018 13: 41
        +1
        They would agree if they knew where everything had come. The number of Jews at the front was scanty. My father told me that during the 2 of the year, he had not seen a single one on the front line. And Pechersky is no exception. He is a quartermaster. For what purpose his thrifty Germans dragged him to the camps for a year and a half, only Himmler knows.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 17 May 2018 14: 06
          +9
          Quote: meandr51
          They would agree if they knew where everything had come. The number of Jews at the front was scanty. My father told me that during the 2 of the year, he had not seen a single one on the front line. And Pechersky is no exception. He is a quartermaster. For what purpose his thrifty Germans dragged him to the camps for a year and a half, only Himmler knows.

          Judging by the number of Jews who died in the ranks of the Red Army during the war, as well as the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union per capita of the Jewish population of the USSR, Jews were still at the front)))) And at least in the same proportion as representatives of other nationalities. For example, I fought both cases, both were injured, one of them is severe.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 17 May 2018 17: 19
            +6
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Quote: meandr51
            They would agree if they knew where everything had come. The number of Jews at the front was scanty. My father told me that during the 2 of the year, he had not seen a single one on the front line. And Pechersky is no exception. He is a quartermaster. For what purpose his thrifty Germans dragged him to the camps for a year and a half, only Himmler knows.

            Judging by the number of Jews who died in the ranks of the Red Army during the war, as well as the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union per capita of the Jewish population of the USSR, Jews were still at the front)))) And at least in the same proportion as representatives of other nationalities. For example, I fought both cases, both were injured, one of them is severe.

            Who are you talking to? If this could not use the Internet and read about the participation of Jews in WWII in all armies of the anti-Hitler coalition, then there is nothing to talk about.
            By the way, another of Sobibor’s fighters is still alive.

            On May 16, the Ambassador of Ukraine to Israel Gennady Nadolenko presented the Ukrainian Order of Merit of the III degree to the Israeli Semen Rosenfeld, a participant in the uprising in the Sobibor death camp.
            The award was facilitated by the appeal of the Aleksadr Pechersky Foundation to the Ukrainian authorities with a request to restore human and historical justice in the year of the 75 anniversary of the heroic uprising - to award Semen Moiseevich Rosenfeld with the Ukrainian state award.
            Last year, the President of Ukraine awarded another participant in the uprising, the Ukrainian Arkady Moiseevich Vayspapira. Arkady Moiseevich died in Kiev at the beginning of the 2018 year.
            Semyon Moiseevich Rosenfeld (born 10 October 1922, Ternovka) - a Red Army soldier, a prisoner of the death camp Sobibor, a participant in the uprising of October 14 1943, was born in 1922 in the town of Ternovka, Vinnitsa region. After leaving school in October, 1940 was drafted into the army. He served in the 150 heavy artillery regiment. At the end of July 1941, Rosenfeld was surrounded, wounded, and then captured. He was first in Minsk, in the SS arbeit camp in Shirokaya, and in September 1943, together with Alexander Pechersky, Arkady Vayspapir and others, he was sent by train to Sobibor death camp. On October 14 of 1943, he took an active part in the uprising, as a result of which part of the prisoners under the leadership of Pechersky managed to kill the 11 SS men and go on the storm of wire fences. After the uprising and until the liberation of Helm by Soviet troops in the spring of 1944, Rosenfeld, with a small group of prisoners, was hiding in the forests. He was sent to the 39-th Guards Motorized Rifle Division. In Poznan, in one of the street battles, he was wounded. In February 1945, he returned to the army and participated in the capture of Berlin. He left the inscription "Baranovichi-Sobibor-Berlin" on the wall of the Reichstag. Demobilized in October 1945, lived in the city of Gayvoron. In 1990, he went with his family to Israel. In 2013, after the appeal of the Pechersky Fund to the then President of Poland, Bronislaw Komarovsky was awarded the Order of the Cavalry Cross.


            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 19 May 2018 12: 32
              +2
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Who are you talking to? If this could not use the Internet and read about the participation of Jews in WWII in all armies of the anti-Hitler coalition, then there is nothing to talk about

              It’s very clever to respond to nationalism with nationalism, and then sit and think about everything that’s all bad, and you are a wonderful good person. But this is not so.
          2. bubalik
            bubalik 17 May 2018 17: 54
            +4
            Judging by the number of Jews killed in the ranks of the Red Army during the war, as well as the number of Heroes of the Soviet Union per capita of the Jewish population of the USSR at the front, Jews were
            ,,, that is, that is, ,,,, not on the "Tashkent front" fought ,,
            Information on the awarded orders and medals of the USSR on 2 March 1942.


            Information on the awarded orders and medals of the USSR during the years of the Great Patriotic War by nationality (as of 1 on April 1946)


            Jews in the command of the Soviet Army:

            Combined Generals - 92;
            aviation generals - 26;
            Artillery generals - 33;
            generals of tank forces - 24;
            generals of communications troops - 7;
            generals of technical troops - 5;
            generals of the aviation engineering service - 18;
            generals of the engineering and artillery service - 15;
            generals of tank engineering service - 9;
            engineering generals - 34;
            quartermaster generals - 8;
            generals of justice - 6;
            Admiral Engineers - 6.

            Jews were:
            9 commanders of armies and fleets,
            8 chiefs of fronts, fleets, districts,
            12 Corps Commanders,
            64 division commander of various types of troops,
            52 Tank Commander,
            In total, during the war years, 305 Jews served as generals and admirals served in the armed forces, 219 of them (71,8 percent) took direct part in hostilities, 38 died ...
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 17 May 2018 14: 30
          +6
          Quote: meandr51
          They would agree if they knew where everything had come. .
          And let's not answer for them, okay?
          Quote: meandr51
          The number of Jews at the front was scanty.

          A bold statement requiring proof. Otherwise - nonsense.
          Quote: meandr51
          And Pechersky is no exception. He is a quartermaster.

          It is no secret, I think for the Jews themselves, that in their general national character there is an increased tendency to cunning and resourcefulness. Someone has more, someone less. But overall there is, yes. So what? So Pechersky is not a worthy person? What, in the army, quartermaster techniques are not needed? He fought as best he could, not Hercules apparently, did not break into the landing. I pulled the strap on my site. And when pressed - showed heroism. Each person must be evaluated personally. There were probably Russians who were hiding in the rear? There were. And the Jews were - one hundred percent were. I repeat - the Jews have a penchant for resourcefulness. But the same Kunikov or Fisanovich with these national features nevertheless went to the front and fought.
          PS I myself am Russian.
        3. a housewife
          a housewife 25 May 2018 00: 52
          0
          And dream up. Imagine that you were born a Jew. What do you say?
    3. sergo1914
      sergo1914 17 May 2018 10: 47
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Steps of development of Khabensky, Kolchak, drank the globe, and finally frank dirt. And enough for us to poke a Holocaust in our nose! Many more Russians have died, and the Jewish theme is a business project and everyone has it. So Kostya kissed.


      What did you dislike about the Globus?
    4. iouris
      iouris 17 May 2018 13: 23
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      And enough for us to poke a Holocaust in our nose!

      I don’t think they’re poking me in the nose. Here is the theme of the unprecedented feat of a specific Soviet man who, for various reasons, did not receive an adequate assessment during his lifetime. The topic goes beyond Jewry. This is especially true today and here.
      As for Khabensky, in my opinion, for the sake of historical truth, the execution of the role of Pechersky should have been given to another younger actor. Khabensky approached the project as a commercial one, having previously calculated the success of the picture in our politically correct society. It is impossible immediately after the start of the rental of such a film to start acting in cheap advertising yourself. This says a lot about the personality of Khabensky.
      The image of the camp commandant is too monstrous, i.e. straightforward. The modern viewer has an association with cheap horror films. I would show in this role an ordinary burgher or a very rational graduate of a German university.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 May 2018 14: 12
        +4
        I agree that I spoke a little rudely, but that is not clear from that. I am not against the Jews. I am opposed to presenting the theme of the Jews as the only most affected people since that war. Still, more Russians died, but they are silent about it, barefoot in the West. But even in Russia it is not customary to talk about the Russian people. Remember the Soviet films, then did not create an emphasis on nationality. At one time I read a book about our workers in the mines of Belgium. Fled from the camps created a partisan brigade "For the Homeland." And in this book, nationalities are mentioned in passing, for everyone fought shoulder to shoulder. These are the films to be made.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 17 May 2018 15: 29
          +3
          It is interesting to me, but maybe today there will be at least one topic where they can manage without the fact that the Jews are to blame for everything?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 17 May 2018 16: 50
            +3
            de will do without the fact that the Jews are to blame for everything?
            I feel responsible for the fact that the whole discussion has fallen on the topic of Jewry. Once again, all who participated in that guilty heroes. And the lieutenant Pechersky hero. It's about something else. About the present. About rewriting history. That supposedly the Jews are the most affected people.
            In the end, the film "Father of the Soldier" was not perceived as all Georgians are heroes. There is a story about how an old man went to fight in order to meet his son in the war. The film is about Soviet people. And in this film, as Khabensky himself said, the moment is important when the lieutenant ceased to be a Soviet person, where personal (love) is more important than public (defense of the homeland). But in modern times liberal and personal synonyms.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 17 May 2018 20: 57
              +4
              Quote: Gardamir
              I feel responsible for the fact that the whole discussion has fallen on the topic of Jewry.

              Respect It’s rare that anyone on the Internet admits their mistakes.
              Quote: Gardamir
              It's about something else. About the present. About rewriting history. That supposedly the Jews are the most affected people.

              But we can agree with this. In Western culture for sure. More than a dozen films about the Holocaust have been shot. The same "Schindler's List." The film is certainly excellent, no words. But it is noteworthy that in the same Western culture there is not a single worthy picture of the suffering of the Russian people. Who lost no less than the Jewish people, but more. But not a word about the Russians. But here the claim is again not against the Jews. And to Western media culture in general.
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 25 May 2018 01: 14
            0
            I don’t know directly. What a strange thing it would seem to be normal people. Either they are afraid of the Jews, or they envy, or are glad that they were not born Jews. Shift, in a word.
    5. kaban7
      kaban7 17 May 2018 23: 11
      +2
      You seem to be stuck on the stepping stone of unfounded criticism, in this case Khabensky.
  6. Boris55
    Boris55 17 May 2018 08: 00
    +11
    I will not watch it. Not interested. They already got their exclusivity. During the 4 years of the war, the combined forces of the West under the command of Germany in the USSR destroyed 20 millions of civilians - women, children, the elderly. 5 million a year! Where are the movies about this?
    1. victor50
      victor50 17 May 2018 08: 33
      +9
      Quote: Boris55
      I will not watch it. Not interested.

      I have a friend. He has never been to Moscow. On offers to go, he replies: "What is there to do? There are traffic jams on the streets, in the subway, and rudeness." Doesn’t resemble anything? lol
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 17 May 2018 09: 01
        +7
        Quote: victor50
        I have a friend. He has never been to Moscow

        Did you read the fairy tale "About Sister Alyonushka and Brother Ivanushka" as a child?

        Who from what hoof water (water in the Russian epos is always information) drinks, that becomes. I don’t want to be a little kid and therefore basically I don’t watch remake with the fantasies of directors claiming historical truth in the last resort, but essentially distorting it with an accuracy of a turn.
        1. victor50
          victor50 17 May 2018 09: 40
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          I don’t want to be a little kid and therefore basically I don’t watch remake with the fantasies of directors claiming historical truth in the last resort, but essentially distorting it with an accuracy of a turn.

          Also a way out. You can still filter the information. And from the session and just leave if you become unbearable.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 17 May 2018 12: 03
            +3
            Quote: victor50
            You can still filter the information.

            Filtering information is vital. Adults are capable of doing this, but children, for whom all films are mainly designed, cannot.

            Whoever said that, but the attitude towards Jews around the world, in Russia and on this forum thread, to put it mildly, is not unambiguous. The incitement of ethnic hatred in a multinational state is not permissible.
            1. victor50
              victor50 17 May 2018 15: 00
              +3
              Quote: Boris55
              Filtering information is vital. Adults are capable of doing this, but children, for whom all films are mainly designed, cannot.

              Adults nowadays absolutely need to "filter" for children. I didn’t notice that we had all the films about Jews. However, I’m more like you, God forbid I’ve been to the cinema 25 times over the past 10 years. So not an expert
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 19 May 2018 12: 04
        0
        Quote: victor50
        I have a friend. He has never been to Moscow. On offers to go, he replies: "What is there to do? There are traffic jams on the streets, in the subway, and rudeness."

        There is one. Impudent, ambitious, unprincipled personalities are generally drawn to Moscow.
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 17 May 2018 10: 44
      +5
      Quote: Boris55
      Where are the movies about this?

      Are there few films? Review “They Fought for the Homeland,” “Go and See,” “Ascent,” and many more.
    3. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 17 May 2018 13: 18
      +8
      There is a film by Roland (French) "Unknown War" under the USSR, it was sometimes shown. Look (it's multi-part, transferable), there it is reflected. Now they are not showing him, apparently they are afraid that the peoples of the former USSR will remember what they had to endure and from whom.
      1. Severomor
        Severomor 17 May 2018 14: 07
        +2
        Quote: AKuzenka
        There is a film by Roland (French) "Unknown War" under the USSR, it was sometimes shown.

        Yeah, about forty years ago, during the summer holidays, about +/- at noon we ran to a friend in the village and watched a movie.
        Now there is a digitized version on YouTube, a couple of years ago I was reviewing in the subway
      2. beeper
        beeper 17 May 2018 14: 51
        +4
        Roman Carmen, Soviet director of this domestic multi-part documentary! He was a spectator at the premiere of this series, many still quite old veterans of the Great Patriotic War were sitting next to me, watching and crying. The hall has always been "to the eyeballs"!
        French writer Romain Roland is from a completely different opera! yes
      3. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 17 May 2018 15: 32
        +4
        Quote: AKuzenka
        There is a film Rolan (French) "Unknown War"


        Opensource projects ... EGE lutes ...
        The film is like the USSR-USA, scriptwriter Roman Lazarevich Carmen / Kornman, our leading documentary film maker in the 30-70s of the last century. The film is made on his newsreel (mostly) and according to his script.
      4. Borders
        Borders 17 May 2018 23: 41
        +3
        great movie! first watched it in 1980 ...
  7. Vard
    Vard 17 May 2018 08: 07
    +14
    The film was shot by a Jew for a Jewish audience ... that says it all ... I will add that the Nazis buried alive my grandfather on the parade ground of the camp after an unsuccessful escape ... After the war, the grandmother told the man whom he saved ... This is if there are questions about the attitude to the war ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 May 2018 09: 11
      +10
      Quote: Vard
      The film was shot by a Jew for a Jewish audience

      It was shot by Jews, but not for Jews. They are to themselves and so they all know. It is filmed for us. His task is to soften the rest of the World and arouse sympathy and compassion for them.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 17 May 2018 10: 38
        +6
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Vard
        The film was shot by a Jew for a Jewish audience

        It was shot by Jews, but not for Jews. They are to themselves and so they all know. It is filmed for us. His task is to soften the rest of the World and arouse sympathy and compassion for them.

        And why do we Jews, whose pity is it? ))) It seems not the poorest, not the weakest ... rather the opposite. If you look at everything under the prism of national accessories, then people who do not like Muslims, for example, will need to compose an alternative algebra, as well as invent new methods for brain surgery, Russophobia abandon the periodic table, etc.
        And in general, like all adults, and in your head you have such a mess ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 17 May 2018 11: 44
          +4
          Quote: Krasnodar
          And why do we Jews, whose pity is it? )))

          That would be very compassionate handy to rob.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 May 2018 12: 19
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: Krasnodar
            And why do we Jews, whose pity is it? )))

            That would be very compassionate handy to rob.

            Depression and robbery seem to be not a Jewish theme at all)))
            Have you seen many Jews in uniform in Russia, or in the administration, or maybe in the organized crime group? ;)
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 17 May 2018 12: 46
              +3
              Quote: Krasnodar
              You in Russia saw a lot of Jews in uniform

              Not only saw, but also served with them. I’m still friends with some of them.
              About the rest - see the picture above and you know perfectly well what and who they pressed. :)
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 17 May 2018 13: 03
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: Krasnodar
                You in Russia saw a lot of Jews in uniform

                Not only saw, but also served with them. I’m still friends with some of them.
                About the rest - see the picture above and you know perfectly well what and who they pressed. :)

                Have you served in the FSB or the OBEP?
                In the picture you presented, 80% are not Jews, but Koch and precisely Khodorkovsky’s cross can be related to the deprivation. Benedictov, who has overcome what? ))))
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 17 May 2018 13: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  In the picture you provided, 80% are not Jews

                  We are distracted from the topic, and this is punishable by the forum moderator. hi
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 17 May 2018 13: 43
                    -1
                    I don’t argue here :)
        2. kotvov
          kotvov 17 May 2018 13: 04
          +2
          And in general, like all adults, and in your head you have such a mess .... ,,
          Dear, we don’t have any porridge. Just looking at the Wickselberg-Waltzmanns, we begin to evaluate something else, what and who is in this world. Have the Palestinians been shot, do you think your authority will increase greatly?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 17 May 2018 13: 32
            0
            Quote: kotvov
            And in general, like all adults, and in your head you have such a mess .... ,,
            Dear, we don’t have any porridge. Just looking at the Wickselberg-Waltzmanns, we begin to evaluate something else, what and who is in this world. Have the Palestinians been shot, do you think your authority will increase greatly?

            Poroshenko became Waltzman with the light hand of another great friend of Russia Tyagnibok, Vekselberg - what’s wrong with him and how he differs from Russian Potanin or Uzbek Usmanov, and what about the Palestinians ...
        3. meandr51
          meandr51 17 May 2018 13: 44
          +1
          In order not to be sent to felling for art. I am talking about representatives of the national mafia. Silent support can only be condemned morally.
      2. Yodzakura
        Yodzakura 17 May 2018 17: 17
        +1
        Maybe V, Vysotsky, he is also a Jew, but I don’t understand how sideways Sobchak is she Russian, Nadezhdin is also Kon German and you Natsik
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 May 2018 12: 06
          +1
          What does the Japanese care about family squabbles of Russians and Jews? Would you go to admire the sakura.
          1. Yodzakura
            Yodzakura 19 May 2018 19: 36
            0
            You look at your nickname
    2. beeper
      beeper 17 May 2018 10: 51
      +5
      Dad, a former prisoner of the Nazi concentration camp, told (to my children's question about escapes ...) how, in front of the prisoners lined up on the parade ground, on the fugitives caught (and in Germany they quickly caught, local nemchurs raided, as if on a hunt .. ...
      To escape from the Nazi concentration camp, very great courage, desperation, prudence and determination needed to have, and physical strength, coupled with incredible luck, to try to do it ... IMHO
      Best regards hi
      PS Although, there’s the father of the "orange" Yush, the most "Trypillian of Trypillian", who, according to his son’s recollections, "... in German captivity got used to good German coffee ...", 5-7 times (reflected in German documents “reflected ", of course, more precisely, but for a long time already not in the subject and the" texture "began to be forgotten request ) escaped from concentration camps, exclusively in group escapes, and nothing bad happened to him after the capture of the fugitives, they only transferred him from camp to camp (from which he, the restless, was directly "unsaved", such a "multi-fugitive", with a new group of prisoners of war again "escaped", but, as a rule, not far ...), but were you accustomed to a "good coffee"?
      Someone will tell me that he was probably a “goat-provocateur”, a “decoy duck” of “herbalists” Vakhmanov (who were trained at the Vakhmanov school of the Travniki concentration camp, not far from Sobibor) ?! And that even in Sobibor (where herbalist graduates underwent training practice and had to, if they had not passed in Travnik before, pass the mandatory "qualification" test with "blood" -personally kill, for starters, at least one prisoner), like would be noted with his, as if, "classmates" -demyanyuki ?! But the documents in the German archives for this period of time have been preserved a little (all, basically, the Americans dragged away to themselves, and the part that has been parsed so far ?, all these years lay in the Soviet Union, something the Poles have, but they are not very inclined to share such information, because many locals were involved, now graters with Israel arose about the exterminated Jews ?!), the evidence base is weak, completely worthless, only some kind of financial statements were found, with some miserable one and a half marks on the camp’s account of this prisoner of war, allegedly “lieutenant,” ... therefore I don’t believe any Yushchenko’s “spiteful critics” and their “idle speculations”, because the Nazis could regularly drink “good German coffee” to “get used to” prisoners of war and just to annoy the Bolsheviks, here, they say, what are we good Nazis ?!
      I don’t even know how a “wheelchair” can be excited, and especially those “educators” who “brainwash” him and his classmates when they find out that the captured Red Army man Y. Hitlerites “got used to good German coffee ?!” winked
      1. Reinhard
        Reinhard 29 May 2018 08: 52
        0
        Yes. With dad, Yushchenko is really interesting. After each escape, the coffee was getting better! wink
  8. Stas157
    Stas157 17 May 2018 08: 44
    +8
    . the journalist asked, in fact, not an idle question. The question is what kind of reaction the director might have if people with popcorn and Coke come to the film. Then Khabensky boiled
    ...

    Smiled!)) And how else could Khabensky react to stupid questions, and the banter of a journalist at the level of House 2? Khabensky is not a ticket clerk in the cinema hall to keep track of who goes there and with what comes in. Or maybe she meant that Khabensky needed to take the initiative so that no one would bring popcorn and Coke to his films?
    I haven’t watched the film, but I think that in Russia, first of all, it is necessary to shoot about 20 million dead Russians, or about all who inhabit Russia without intentionally singling out any one nation, even if this nation is God's chosen.
    1. Evver
      Evver 17 May 2018 09: 13
      +17
      Listen, but in the end, the film was shot on a separate episode of the Second World War - namely, the Sobibor camp! The Nazis kept (and destroyed) there predominantly Jews. Pechersky who got there is also a Jew, and, at the same time, the commander of the Red Army. And the film that the lieutenant of the Red Army, Alexander Pechersky, became the leader of the uprising, the only successful in the Nazi death camps.
      This film is primarily about the Soviet man ... and he is a Jew, or a Kazakh ... or a Tungus ...
      Fought ALL country !!!
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 17 May 2018 09: 32
        +4
        Quote: Ever
        This film is primarily about the Soviet man ... and he is a Jew, or a Kazakh ... or a Tungus ...

        Don’t be so afraid!
        Boris55, Vard, Stas157- these neocommunists are good for Russia, they’re bad, and bad for Russia, they’re happy, they can’t make good films in Jew-liberal Russia, and if they’re shooting, it’s only about Jews! !!
        So the liberal mowing under the communist Gardamir speaks about the same thing! Paradox!!! wink
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 17 May 2018 12: 23
          +7
          Quote: Serg65
          Boris55, Vard, Stas157- to these neo-communists all that is good in Russia is bad for them

          That lover to label, arrange squabbles and go to the individual appeared! What a day it did not work out without a good skirmish? For information, always voted for the Communist Party. I have nothing to do with your neo-communists. I am not writing for you, as lovers of squabble and denigration pursue other goals.
          Quote: Serg65
          That liberal mowing down under the communist

          Your reverent Putin does not even mow down under the liberal, but he is! Vidos, where does he call himself a direct text to show himself a liberal? I marvel at the Zaputintsev! Their main idol is the liberal himself, surrounded by liberals ... And the Zaputins, meanwhile, LUTO hate liberals !!! Yes, even the Communists strive to stain it! Here's how ?? I would doubt the adequacy and sanity after that.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 17 May 2018 14: 01
            +3
            Quote: Stas157
            Yes, even the Communists strive to stain it!

            laughing Why strive to dirty you, you lower yourself below the baseboard !!!!!
            Quote: Stas157
            I believe that in Russia, first of all, it is necessary to shoot about 20 million dead Russians

            Those. Do you think that 20 million Russians died in the Second World War, and if you add the remaining Soviet citizens of non-Russian nationality to them, what kind of losses did the USSR suffer ??? laughing So you my friend the most inveterate Russophobia surpassed !!!!!
            Quote: Stas157
            about all who inhabit Russia without deliberately highlighting any one nation

            Those. Films shot in Soviet times such as “Father of a Soldier”, “Four Tankmen and a Dog” (the film is of course Polish, but was very popular in the Union), “100 Soldier and One Girl” can be classified as Russophobic?
            Quote: Stas157
            I would doubt the adequacy and sanity after that

            what So I, too, somehow amuse myself in the adequacy and sanity of you and your friends!
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 17 May 2018 13: 47
        +1
        But the Tungus are at the forefront with a sniper in their hands, and the Jews were commissarized and swag distributed to the right people in the rear.
        1. Huumi
          Huumi 19 May 2018 10: 21
          0
          And also tailors, hairdressers, orderlies, deputy clerks, deputy deputy deputy ... how many I didn’t read, did not pay attention to this question: yes, Jews fought, but they were on the front lines.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 May 2018 14: 19
        0
        the film was shot in a separate episode
        there were different episodes, but chose this one.
  9. AleBors
    AleBors 17 May 2018 09: 55
    +3
    Thank you for the article. I'll watch the movie. And only then I will venture to add my opinion about him. Khabensky is certainly a talented artist and a good person. So it will be interesting how he performed as a director.
  10. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 17 May 2018 10: 42
    +6
    The task is to explain to prisoners the very need to abandon the slaughtered ideology of a slave and gain for themselves the long-awaited freedom.
    The Soviet people did not have the ideology of a slave; they did not have to give up anything. The freedom of the Soviet people was still in Civil.
    The worship of the private property and power of the rich is not freedom, but slavery
  11. kakvastam
    kakvastam 17 May 2018 11: 10
    +5
    Still, we have a shitty thing with Zionism-anti-Semitism ...

    What is the trouble if the only successful rebellion in the death camp occurred exactly where the Jews were exterminated? So it was, and that's it.

    But the Jews should think - it’s not good when they see in you a priori the main culprit of all ills.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 17 May 2018 13: 49
      +6
      Read about Buchenwald, historian. He (and other uprisings) was firmly forgotten, because the Russian Communists organized the uprising. And there was (as elsewhere) no “extermination camp”. This is stupidity, but the fascists were not fools, they knew how to count money. They made military equipment in the shops. This is what they do not want to make public.
      1. kakvastam
        kakvastam 17 May 2018 15: 17
        +1
        Learn to behave in society, baby.
        You, go, you haven’t been to Buchenwald since you write this.
  12. svp67
    svp67 17 May 2018 13: 09
    +7
    I have nothing against this film, especially since I have not watched it. History is History. But I was even more happy for our cinema if they made a film about the escape of our prisoners of war from the Nazi concentration camp Mauthausen in Austria and the "Mühlviertel hunt for hares" ... And then about the Holocaust, that some of the “irons have not yet been told” and really it seems that the rest of our people in that war died and died somehow "by accident" ... but this is not so
    1. igordok
      igordok 17 May 2018 15: 52
      +4
      There is a legend that only one Austrian family did not give out two escaped prisoners, despite the fact that several sons of this family served in the Wehrmacht. And at the end of the war, all the sons of this Austrian family, survived, returned home.
      1. beeper
        beeper 17 May 2018 22: 31
        +6
        There were Germans, comrade Igordok, who helped our captives survive, believing that good people would help their sons to survive in Soviet captivity!
        And whatever the biased "Kolisurengoy" may say, the mortality rate in Soviet prisoner-of-war camps was much, much lower than in German ones, and they ate better than many Soviet citizens who worked in the rear "for the front, for victory!", And certainly better than the Nazis fed our prisoners of war ...
        My father survived and did not starve to death from the meager camp "food (calculated by the Nazis for the slow dying-fading of Soviet prisoners)," only thanks to the kind-hearted German miner who, secretly from the Gestapo informers, shared his meager brake and acerbones ersatz "coffee (ordinary Germans didn’t drink" good German coffee "during the war, at least in its last years)," while working in a mine ...
        hi
  13. korriphila
    korriphila 17 May 2018 13: 27
    +1
    "explain to prisoners the very need to abandon the slaughtered ideology of a slave and gain for themselves the long-awaited freedom." To show the film to the inhabitants of Odessa, Kharkov, Mariupol. Here in Donetsk and Lugansk they immediately got it, without any movie ...
  14. high
    high 17 May 2018 13: 29
    +7
    Quote: kakvastam
    But the Jews should think - it’s not good when they see in you a priori the main culprit of all ills.

    Involuntarily recalls, Garik ,,:
    For all the Jews there is a judge.
    For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
    For the fact that the Jew shot at the leader.
    For the fact that she missed.

    Of course, the Jews are to blame: there would be no Internet, Google, no Intel processor (Israel developer) - there would be no terror, color revolutions, it would not be possible to receive instructions from the Center.

    The scientist Vladimir Khavkin would not have been born - who saved the lives of millions of people. from the plague and cholera, perhaps there would be no second world war, there was no one to fight.
    When hundreds of thousands of citizens died in Russia from cholera and there was no escape, Chekhov turned to the authorities: take Khavkin’s serum from cholera! But the tsarist government took Havkin’s serum with the condition to remove the name of Havkin.
    Khavkin agreed to remove his name and donated serum to his former homeland for free and millions of people were saved in Russia, possibly kakvastam, your ancestors survived thanks to the Jew Havkin.
    By the way, A. Chekhov said about V. Khavkin - the most famous Russian in the West, but little known in his homeland, in Russia ...
    In India, there is a monument to Khavkin, medical institutions are named after him, once every 10 years, on his birthday, there is a special evening where the President speaks, in India Khavkin is considered a national Hero, and in Russia this name is not known.
  15. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 17 May 2018 13: 57
    +3
    How to make a good movie for children, so our money doesn’t, Disney sponsors (The Last Bogatyr (shame and shame)) a film with Russian epic heroes. And as for something scary, military, thieves, corrupt cops and stuff, so please.
    It’s hard for the people, it’s also morally driven.
    Give a movie for life! For memory and fears, for being depressed, we already have enough ...
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  17. 1536
    1536 17 May 2018 16: 04
    +3
    Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten! And in Russia they remember what the German invaders did in the occupied Soviet territory. And in the occupied territories of other Slavic states. Techniqueyou see they let out there..., one writes here. But after all, ...!
    It is a pity that the author of the article did not give a comparison of how the Germans watch this film in German cinemas. And will it be rolled out in Germany at all? Since such a film appeared, it means that there was a danger of a repetition of these events. And indeed it is. People feel this, and artists somehow reflect the reality and feelings of people.
    1. Volodin
      18 May 2018 08: 06
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      It is a pity that the author of the article did not give a comparison of how the Germans are watching this film in German cinemas.

      The author, your humble servant, could not give such an assessment for the simple reason that he watched a movie in a Russian cinema and did not watch it in a German cinema.
  18. akunin
    akunin 17 May 2018 16: 20
    +6
    I’ll watch the movie for sure (I don’t like movies about the war). Holocaust, not the Holocaust - people died, and “the dead don't have shame”, died for us. Khabensky found a worthy topic, I hope and embodied it with dignity
    From 170 to 177 Jews received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, which puts them in 4th place after the Russians (7998 people); Ukrainians (2021 people) and Belarusians (299 people), approximately on a par with the Tatars (161 people).

    Jews were in 5th place in the number of deaths in the Red Army during the war.
    that's enough for me.
  19. bubalik
    bubalik 17 May 2018 16: 23
    +4
    And told through 2 year after the war.




    Help of the head of the 7 th branch of the political department of the 8 Guards Army Lieutenant Colonel Shelyubsky about the atrocities of the German fascist aggressors identified in Poland from 25.07.1944.

    Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, f.32, op.11306, d.486, l.335-340

    A copy of the Act of 22.07.44 on the atrocities of the German fascist invaders in the concentration camp Art. Sobibor of the Lublin Voivodeship of Kholmsk district, signed by the inhabitants of the village. Zhlobok II and representatives of the Red Army.


    Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, f.233, op.2374, d.58, l.129-130

    The article "Death factory in Sabibur" (as in the document) in the newspaper 1 of the Belarusian Front "Red Army" № 206 from 2 September 1944 g.

    Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, f.233, op.2355, d.7, l.104

    https://historyrussia.org/tsekh-istorikov/archive
    s / lager-smerti-sobibor-dokumenty-iz-tsentralnogo-
    arkhiva-ministerstva-oborony-rf.html
  20. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 May 2018 17: 24
    +5
    Maybe a little aloof, so to speak, but the article left an unpleasant aftertaste. Not she herself, but the fact that she was printed on VO. Four months ago, my acquaintances from Ukraine sent me a pirated copy of Cyborgs. I looked, made conclusions and wrote an article. As for me, neutral. So wrapped her up! With a review, they say the topic of movies on VO is not relevant ...
  21. vlad007
    vlad007 17 May 2018 20: 16
    +5
    I read all the comments - 73. I want to say that KinoMonutnik to the Russian man made S. Bondarchuk the film "The Fate of Man" back in 1959.
    1. linkor11
      linkor11 17 May 2018 22: 17
      +1
      vlad007- But what do you think, Vlad, if the main character in "The Fate of a Man" was so hated by the Nazis, as well as some members of the forum E BREJ, would the Nazis leave him alive after the famous scene with a huge amount of vodka? AND?
      1. vlad007
        vlad007 17 May 2018 22: 27
        +2
        Quote: linkor11
        vlad007- But what do you think, Vlad, if the main character in "The Fate of Man" was so hated by the Nazis, as well as some members of the forum?

        There is an episode in the film “The Fate of a Man” in which the Hebrew doctor straightens his shoulder to Sokolov (the main character), Yulik, watch the film, everyone remembers about “after the first glass I don’t bite”. Then, in the morning, this doctor is shot! Sergey Bondarchuk was making a film not only about Russians. Anti-Semitism is and always will be, but not at all! And soot honestly, there are no anti-Semitic Jews?

        For all the Jews there is a judge.
        For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
        For the fact that the Jew shot at the leader.
        For the fact that she missed.
        I. Huberman. "Gariki"
        1. linkor11
          linkor11 17 May 2018 23: 31
          +2
          Vladimir, thank you for the addition. I watched the film for a long time, and did not remember the episode with the doctor. But, frankly, after you Sergey Bondarchuk rose in my eyes. But I’ll try to see the film again.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 19 May 2018 12: 14
            +2
            Fascism prevailed, the Jewish spill.
  22. Dimmedroll
    Dimmedroll 17 May 2018 20: 47
    +4
    I watched the film, but after Khabensky’s words that he showed how they became normal from the Soviet man in the camp. Several revised views on this film.
  23. Zerkalo
    Zerkalo 17 May 2018 21: 27
    +3
    Quote: raw174
    Be sure to watch the movie.
    I am glad that a good movie is starting to appear here! Based on real events - 28 Panfilovites, Legend 17, Poddubny, Upward movement. There is a good action movie - 22 minutes. From fiction - Attraction, not bad ...

    I highly recommend it! looked in Volgograd on May 10 - there were very few people, but the output was the same as the author described ...
    I’ll add from myself that our cinema felt for the vein - something like ZhZL! I am surprised that the film about A.I. Pokryshkina - for me the best WWII pilot! I hope that we will come to this.
    Thanks to the author of the article for the review - all one-on-one as I like.
  24. linkor11
    linkor11 17 May 2018 23: 09
    +1
    Here, many are taught about the film "Sobibor". I can’t say anything about him, as I haven’t looked yet. But this film, in my opinion, is not a revelation, even despite good reviews of it. After all, if anyone does not know, in 1987 the film "Escape from Sobibor" was already released on the same topic, and with the same main character. True, the film was produced by England-Yugoslavia, with the famous Rutger Hauer as the lieutenant of the Caves. The cast was not international, which is very correct, since Jewish prisoners were from many European countries conquered by Nazi Germany. The film is quite worthy and high quality, however, as and all the films where Rutger Hauer plays. In no way do I want to compare the talent of the world superstar Hauer and the good Russian actor Khabensky, but I just want to say that in 1987 Alexander Pechersky was still alive, quietly living in the Soviet Union, where almost no one knew about his heroic act. They knew about the exploits of Devyatayev, Karbyshev and the exploits of many other, undoubtedly heroes. But it was better for the Soviet people not to know about the heroism of the Pechersky Jew. For the same reason, Pechersky was not allowed to go abroad for the premiere of the film, although Gorbachev was already in power. Why am I doing this? And besides, sooner or later everyone becomes aware of the perfect feat, and it doesn’t matter if the person who committed it has any awards or honors or not at all.
    1. beeper
      beeper 18 May 2018 20: 56
      +5
      This film "Escape from Sobibor" was shown, then, on Soviet television, in time for the date of the uprising in Sobibor. yes
      I also looked at it then. A good film, very much taking for the Soul, a film! good I always remembered him and didn’t forget, that's why I don’t rush to watch the Khabenkov’s film, because when I saw the poster of the film and the frame from it in the Article (which, in my opinion, is not appropriate at all, the Germans were very demanding of discipline and the established “order” , to the uniform and to the headdresses, and here the policemen without uniform caps, one in a graduated cap, all in such relaxed poses as if the Germans were not around? Yes, the Germans put these lackeys-Wachmans only a quarter or half step above, but considered the same "untermenschami", like the rest of the prisoners! The Germans dragged along under the Germans, strove to show official zeal, and not "relaxed" hung loose, as the director Khabensky did not seem to be imbued with in that concentration camp environment of general fear (life Vakhmanov and Kapo also depended on a German whim, they were also afraid of "screwing up" !!!) and death ?!) I was completely "afraid" of being disappointed in this (market. IMHO) "remake" request !
      The Soviet Motherland had many Heroes and no one forbade them to know, although many were not at the hearing (and many Heroes remained lying in unknown graves, without distinctions and special emphasis (and you, Linkor11, see, fad ?!) by nationality, they all laid their heads for our Soviet Motherland!) all the more because of Jewish nationality! At my former military repair factory, Jews also worked as designers and technologists, in workshops and other factory structures, many of them former military front-line soldiers who went through the war and were awarded for military valor, very respected people, like all defenders Fatherland, on solemn dates, we TOGETHER TOGETHER, went to parades and demonstrations, celebrated Victory Day and were sad at 4.00 in the morning, at the Eternal Flame of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, on the day of the beginning of World War II ...
      Jews in the South-East of Ukraine have always been treated normally, like everyone else, we had a complete international, including the Germans too, not to mention the Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, ... at my school, according to my (current "discussion" days and reading of certain "latent-xenophobic" "comments" on the Web ...) according to estimates, more than half of the students and teachers were Jewish by ethnicity, with the corresponding surnames, we were all friends, played and studied together, fell in love and got married, no one on ethnic grounds did not tread anyone!
      All of all the nationalities of the Soviet Union and many of the neighboring socialist countries lived peacefully right up to the "independence", when, at first, timid and timid, and then more and more frantic nationalist "Ukrainization" began, which turned into frank Galichinization-banderization, split into Soviet-cohesive Ukrainian population on the "nationality" ... many people, since the beginning of the "independence" and pushing, sowing ethnic strife, non-constructive ideology of the "panicky titular nation", began to disperse somewhere "behind their eyes", and under the Union on the contrary, many (especially those who have seen the most secluded corners of the world and the USSR, military retirees) sought to settle in Ukraine!
      So your, unreasonably anti-Soviet accented, personal "value judgment" about the supposedly "best-known Jew" I refer to your probable youth and "not quite knowledgeable", as well as - "gratification" by individual commentators, who are also clearly "not completely informed", , baselessly (IMHO) resting on the allegedly insufficient participation of our compatriots of Jewish nationality in the hostilities of the Great Patriotic War ?!
      hi
  25. Lyutoyar R.
    Lyutoyar R. 20 May 2018 02: 37
    +4
    The movie is crazy. The especially well-fed prisoners of the concentration camp in the person of Kozhevnikova and the second actress, whom they killed in the end, were surprised. Even Shlomo, who was told that you supposedly went drunk the third day (this is in a concentration camp!). In the concentration camps and poured it still turns out. Mines in a minefield explode after people run through them. Prisoners calmly roam around the camp, even at night. And the view of all is not particularly exhausted. The chronology is not respected, in the courtyard of October 1943, and in the camp they say that, soon, the Red Army will come, we must wait. Although even before Minsk and Kiev she did not reach. Naive Jews, who in 1943 say that the Germans are a cultural people and do not understand where they were brought. Some train with corpses, for some reason, came to this camp from another camp ... The film is very weak. It could have been much better.
  26. Bok tubres
    Bok tubres 20 May 2018 09: 07
    +1
    If so, then maybeit is this film strip "first swallow", the revival of Russian cinema, that "marker" awakening self-awareness Russian societyself identification individual Russian"cleansing" from the "Western filth" that we absorbed, like (or rather, along with it), a bucket of popcorn, from the beginning 90-x?
    It’s good. It’s time. All tired from bright, saturated ...emptiness, and in cinemas, and in the country, and in life ...
  27. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 20 May 2018 16: 35
    0
    Alexey! hi Thank you for the article! Prior to this, I doubted (a little) whether it was worth watching the film (yes, okay: I knew that I had to watch), after your article the slightest doubt disappeared. For all the seriousness of the topic (film) I can not help but recall my own thoughts (almost anecdotal). I watched in the 16-17 year the darkness of films (practically did not miss a single premiere: on a watch to do nefig, I watched everything in a row). He came, began to watch: 20 minutes - and a deep healthy sleep. Sometimes even without a bottle of beer. Especially bright when watching the "world blockbuster". Marvel Pirates, Horror, etc. Fireworks a person can watch a maximum of 5-10 minutes (and modern "movies" without an idea, with a maximum number of special effects - in fact, there are fireworks), then dullness occurs (a dream in my case). "28 Panfilov" looked from the first to the last second, not looking up. Even after the flask of "homemade" (I repent, sinful). A couple of our films are similar (I still remember the “Duelist” - it seems I’ve watched it without any sleep, like a charming, but not unambiguous, questionable for perception). The situation described by the author shows that the film touched upon and showed such topics when a person (even a child) understands: war is fear, horror and pain. This is the present. What kind of popcorn (sosa sola)? Itif we forget and suppose again - the most terrible "horror", because it Really.
    Ps As delirium (and maybe not) - it would be nice to mark some sessions (their units on the background of the sea "pops") to designate (like "18 +"): "sale of popcorn, drink is not recommended," etc. Even a simple emphasis on the seriousness of the film will allow you to "tune in" to watch it.
  28. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 20 May 2018 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: Lyutoyar R.
    The film is crazy ... The film is very weak. It could have been much better.


    We have been waiting for a long time. When YOU, finally, take off better. To begin: persuade Kozhevnikov on 2 monthly “diet” - 50 grams of bread per day and a glass of water. And then she will look historically reliable. fool
  29. Untermensh
    Untermensh 20 May 2018 22: 03
    +1
    I haven’t watched the film yet, but about five years ago I read a book from the library, shabby, from the 60s edition. I liked it very much. I think watching a movie and a book will be interesting. I also came across a wonderful script book from the 80s of the publication, “On a Halt”, about an episode of the liberation of Poland, without too much pathos and close to the truth, I think the film could have been a good shot, worthy. And as for the current films about the Second World War - last year on Victory Day on TV they showed the "Combat" unit, I really liked the film, I recommend everyone to watch it! ...
  30. Stils
    Stils 21 May 2018 09: 43
    +1
    I think that a movie of this format should be removed from the cinema in general. At home, on the Internet, anywhere, but most of the cinemas are located in large shopping centers, where people come to relax, with children, eat, make purchases, in general, this is not the place for such serious things. And with regards to Khabensky, I don’t know what kind of director he is there, now there are a lot of these directing actors, but as an actor in general there’s nothing ... very weak, I’ve left everything at the expense of PR, it’s not clear what place, and appearance is not acting, ears are then large, like a goblin
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 25 May 2018 01: 29
      +1
      Exactly, straight goblin. Nikulin was not handsome either, Vitsin was simply miserable, Tikhonov had a wry mouth, Rybnikov was also not pissed off his face, Abdulov was long, Jurassic nosy, Boyarsky too ... Something was not remembered by the handsome men. Why are they so loved? Well, maybe you are handsome here, then why not an actor?
  31. Lyutoyar R.
    Lyutoyar R. 21 May 2018 11: 07
    +2
    Quote: S_Baykala
    Quote: Lyutoyar R.
    The film is crazy ... The film is very weak. It could have been much better.


    We have been waiting for a long time. When YOU, finally, take off better. To begin: persuade Kozhevnikov on 2 monthly “diet” - 50 grams of bread per day and a glass of water. And then she will look historically reliable. fool

    And here I take off? I expressed my opinion as a viewer. Personal. Without touching the events to which this film is dedicated. Purely about the film. About a bunch of inconsistencies and outright nonsense, which should not be at this level. It is not necessary to make you lose weight in the age of computer technology.
  32. brigadier
    brigadier 21 May 2018 12: 22
    +2
    A bit in a different context. Not mine - therefore, as a quote.
    The truth is again left out ...
    Tatyana Ross: the story of the Sobibor death camp is not only the horrors of fascism

    ... Some heroes were invented, others, real ones, were forgotten.
    Rosenfeld and Weisspapier could not become war heroes ...

    "I didn’t read, but I’m condemning ..." So that they don’t say about me - "I didn’t look, but ..." - I will make a reservation: I’ll condemn (or rather, rather discuss) not the film "Sobibor", but what is known about this death camp wide Russian. And about why little is known. Or unknown at all. About why Weisspapier and Rosenfeld could not become heroes of the Soviet country. Why did they keep silent about the tragedy of Sobibor, and now they suddenly started talking? And what did they finally talk about?

    Have you heard much about Sobibor? Do you know much about the uprising in this camp, by the way, the only successful one in the history of the war? About who the brave souls dared to escape, and how did their life turn out after? I have not heard. This tragic story was never popular either in the USSR or later. At school we did not teach about this. And so the film came out, which is now being advertised through all kinds of channels. There was a private show in Germany, in Israel.

    Sobibor - death camp in Poland.

    It lasted a year and a half (from May 15, 1942 to October 15, 1943).

    It was created as part of Operation Reinhard with the aim of mass extermination of the Jewish population of Poland (as well as the Netherlands, France, Czechoslovakia, the USSR). About 250 thousand Jews were killed.

    The only successful uprising of suicide bombers took place in the camp ...

    THESE FACTS. BUT NOT ALL.

    So what is Sobibor movie about? I heard the answer in this video on the first channel of Russian TV to the daughter of Alexander Pechersky, the one who organized the uprising. The woman, heartbroken and Soviet-style pathos, said:

    - "... people need to know what fascism is" ...

    Truth? Is the film exclusively about what fascism is? And how terrible is he? You know, I was born 13 years after the end of that war, brought up on films, books, memoirs about these same horrors. As they say, soaked in mother’s milk. Soaked in so much that goosebumps all my life. Probably "a lot" about it does not happen. And, perhaps, another story about the horrors of fascism will not hurt. Especially in connection with the fact that "fascism is now raising its head." It's time to refresh the memories. Moreover, one more undeservedly forgotten death camp was found.

    BUT ... the history of the Sobibor death camp is not only the horrors of fascism (everything is clear with them). There is much more to tell. And it was precisely this “rest” that was the reason why they kept silent about Sobibor for so many years. But again and again ... they show us about the horrors of the Nazis. And they don’t show about this “rest” ... So what remained “behind the scenes”, which kept silence about Sobibor for many years? What does the now deeply aged daughter of Pechersky not even talk about?

    In that very tragedy there is no black (horrors of fascism) and white (heroism of the Soviet lieutenant). There is such a polyphony of gray-brown-violet that nobody can wash it. And nobody wants to launder. So they are silent.

    I tell you. In detail. The points. And, most importantly, honestly.

    First.

    To begin with, the Nazis worked in the camp 30 junior officers. And ... 120 guards from among the Red Army. Nothing belittles the guilt of those same 30 fascists. But precisely these 120 ... OUR people ... killed, scoffed, beat and raped. These were the so-called "herbalists."

    Training camp SS "Herbalists". At first, it included Soviet prisoners of war, and in the autumn of 1942 the recruitment of volunteers from the civilian population began. These were Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Baltic and "Turkestan" volunteers, Latvians, Estonians, Slovaks and Croats.

    In total, over 5000 (five thousand!) Killers were trained at this school. From among OUR people.

    Do Russians and Ukrainians want to know about this? The fact that 120 security guards of Sobibor camp were “their own” and voluntarily became killers? Of course not. WE do not need such a truth. It’s better to forget this truth. Is not it?

    Second.

    There were 14 prisoners in the camp at the time of the uprising (October 1943, 550). 130 did not take part in the escape (they were immediately shot), 80 people died in the first minutes of the escape (the camp was mined around the perimeter and people fled along the minefield). 340 people were able to escape. The Nazis raided and caught the fugitives TWO weeks. As a result, another 170 people were killed. The rest were able to escape - some to the territory of Belarus, others remained in Poland. So, AFTER the termination of the search for escaped prisoners of Sobibor, 90 people (!!!) were surrendered to the fascist occupation authorities. Caught and ... not saved, but surrendered (!) By the locals.

    Do the Poles (most of the fugitives were given out in Poland) want to remember this? Of course not. Poles, too, "not with the hand" is such a truth.

    The third.

    After the camp guards (recall: Russians and Ukrainians) killed the fugitives caught, after local activists (recall: Poles and Belarusians) gave the authorities those who were lucky to escape - not to explode in a minefield and not be killed by bloodhounds - there was an order 50 people. These were mainly Soviet prisoners of war. At first they fought in the partisan detachments of Belarus, then when the Soviet troops arrived ... they were convicted (!!!) and sent to fight in the penal battalions "to wash away their shame with blood." Well, you know .... "There are no prisoners of war in the Red Army, there are only traitors and traitors to the motherland." Such were those ... from Sobibor ...

  33. brigadier
    brigadier 21 May 2018 12: 23
    +2
    Extension

    Do the Soviet / Russian authorities want to remember this? Of course not. And so the fate of those who survived from death in the death camp remained "outside the scope". They were former prisoners of war. Surrendered. So, traitors. What to remember about such? Is not it?

    Fourth.

    But even after the war ... those who remained alive were harassed and persecuted. You forgot - they were also Jews! And the same Alexander Pechersky, a valiant lieutenant who organized an uprising (the only one successful in the history of the war!), "Paid with blood" for "betrayal" (for captivity), fought honestly and courageously ... in the post-war USSR was fired from his job and remained five years dependent on a young wife (thank you for not being shot and sent to the Gulag), because the "doctors' case" began, which by and large was more related to Jews, and not to doctors. No wonder it bore another, more precise name: the Zionist conspiracy. In the memoirs “It Is Impossible to Forget,” Etinger writes: “the doctors’ case ”was only an introduction to the Soviet Holocaust - the mass extermination of Jews in the USSR. The plans for a "final solution of the Jewish question" in the USSR have been confirmed by many authoritative witnesses. "

    Does Russia (the successor of the USSR) want to tell about this page of its history? Are authorities (even modern Russia) interested in revealing Stalin’s plans for a “solution to the Jewish question”? Of course not. Therefore, do not tell FIGs about the life of the liberated prisoners of Sobibor after the war.

    I come back to the question: why was the history of the Sobibor camp and the feat of Pechersky pushed into the far corner? Why did the propagandists come up with fake heroes, in modern terms, and did they forget this real hero? I think you yourself understand. Was it worth it for the sake of the Jews, for the sake of these "rootless cosmopolitans" to recall Sobibor? And who are they, those Jews who ended up in the death camp? Traitors to the Soviet Motherland, once captured ... THEY are traitors. And those hundreds and thousands of people who shot their backs, those who voluntarily went to SS training centers to learn how to kill ... who are they? ah ... they didn’t happen ...

    So neither Alexander Aronovich Pechersky, nor Vayspapir Arkady Moiseevich (died in January of this year), nor Rosenfeld Semyon Moiseevich (lives in Israel) were suitable for the role of heroes. With such surnames. And middle names. Where ... in the Kalashnikovsky row ... All three of whom I have listed are former prisoners of Sobibor, have lived a fairly long life. Lived without rewards. And without honors. When Alexander Pechersky passed away (1990), no one in Rostov suspected that such a person lived next to them. He did not appear as a hero, but as a former prisoner, as a former prisoner of the camp. And nothing more. Only in 2016, Putin awarded Alexander Pechersky the Order of Courage. Posthumously.

    And so the film came out. It would seem great, finally ... But do not rush to rejoice. Everything that I wrote about, about which no one wants to remember, will not be in the film. The film will be about how Alexander Pechersky was motivated by Comrade Stalin for a feat. We read in the article by A. Alekseev, who was present at the closed viewing of the film in Israel:

    "... one of the characters in the film asks:

    - What gives Alexander Pechersky such a force that raises people after him?

    And the other hero answers:

    - Comrade Stalin"

    Like this. It turns out that Comrade Stalin inspired Alexander Pechersky to revolt. I also heard the delights of other film critics who emphasized that ONLY a Soviet officer could raise an uprising in the death camp. That’s what’s important in this movie. The fact that the Nazis is horror. And that the real heroes are Soviet officers.

    For the first time, the world learned about Sobibor in 1987 from a film by American director Jack Gold who shot "Escape from Sobibor" based on a book by Richard Raschke. Oh, again, these Yankees ... Everyone strives to put pressure on the sore spot of a Soviet man, parasites. The USSR has already contrived so as not to recall Sobibor. A "Americans" recalled. Alexander Pechersky was played by Rutger Hauer, who received the Golden Globe for this role. Pechersky himself was not at the premiere of the film, although he was invited to the United States. But ... the Soviet authorities did not give him permission to travel with his wife. Alexander Pechersky did not receive any honors from his homeland, no titles, no privileges, nor even just such a “minute of glory" ...

    In 2013, they learned about Sobibor in Russia, thanks to the documentary of Leonid Mlechin. True, the show was held on some secondary channel. And almost went unnoticed. The theme of heroes, real heroes of the TOY war, still remains of little interest to Kremlin propagandists. Let the citizens of Russia talk better about the Zionist conspiracy than about the Jewish heroes of the war. And why write a true story in which those who were already “written” as a hero can be a bastard.

    I read a lot of comments on the networks. I liked one that fully reflects my thoughts. The man asked: "when will they shoot the second series about Aronovich?" well, about how he was fined, how he was fired from his job, how he lived all his life in a communal apartment? Will not. Never will be. They will not talk about the fact that in the camps (not only in Sobibor) volunteers from OUR prisoners of war worked, about how the Poles handed over the escaped prisoners. Again and again they will talk ONLY and exclusively about the horrors of the Nazis. But they have long been condemned. And the trial was. And the German people do not cease to repent. And the rest? How is it with them? So will they keep silent? So they will pretend that TheyThereNot?

    Tatyana Ross
  34. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 21 May 2018 13: 57
    +1
    During the presence of your humble servant at the Sobibor show, people actually came to the cinema, in whose hands were buckets with popcorn. And one of these buckets was in the hands of a boy of years 12, who came to the cinema, probably with his mother. So it turned out that we are located on the same row. And the first thought that flashed through my head when the lights went out in the hall - will this movie really be watched, without ceasing to chew sweet corn? ..

    And what do you want so always has been this "entertainment" since the Middle Ages when they came to the execution to take a look! Have you been in our cemeteries for a long time? there, too, a drink, a bite over the bones of the dead (I'm not talking about myself now)
  35. dimonch
    dimonch 29 May 2018 05: 41
    +1
    Quote: brigadir
    A bit in a different context. Not mine - therefore, as a quote.
    The truth is again left out ...
    Tatyana Ross: the story of the Sobibor death camp is not only the horrors of fascism
    ... Some heroes were invented, others, real ones, were forgotten.
    Rosenfeld and Weisspapier could not become war heroes ...
    "I didn’t read, but I’m condemning ..." So that they don’t say about me - "I didn’t look, but ..." - I will make a reservation: I’ll condemn (or rather, rather discuss) not the film "Sobibor", but what is known about this death camp wide Russian. And about why little is known. Or unknown at all. About why Weisspapier and Rosenfeld could not become heroes of the Soviet country. Why did they keep silent about the tragedy of Sobibor, and now they suddenly started talking? And what did they finally talk about?
    Tatyana Ross


    The usual recipe, mix the truth with a lie and serve hot! Read her article about the Russian elite, it catches your eye right as her list of oligarchs is filtered out! Her other articles are also biased. Yasen Stump writes to create certain moods in society and such trifles as facts concern her last!
  36. Slon379
    Slon379 5 June 2018 10: 54
    0
    The film is good, played perfectly, vivid images, but due to the limited budget there is not enough scale. And this applies to everything: extras, grief, events. My opinion.
  37. varangian
    varangian 4 July 2018 12: 55
    0
    Extremely weak movie.