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Shit Explosive. Million tons for a big war

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This topic appeared, so to speak, at the request of the workers, as a continuation Articles on the military economic value of urine.


Some commentators, who were not serious enough about the question, sneered:

“But I also propose to collect liquid chairs separately. You can't make explosives out of it, but if it is poured onto the heads of the enemy, like a napalm tank, the demoralizing effect will be incredible. ”


The most interesting thing is that this commentator is not right: explosives, or rather, the most important raw materials for its manufacture, can also be obtained from shit. And we are talking about trotyl - one of the main and most common types of military explosives.

Shit Explosive. Million tons for a big war

Well-known to many TNT

TNT, or trinitrotoluene, like many military chemicals, was given to us by the Germans. This substance was discovered in the 1863 year, but its properties as an explosive were studied in the 1889 year by Karl Heussermann. In 1901, the German company Dynamit Nobel AG opened the first plant in Schlebusch (now part of the city of Leverkusen, near Cologne). Already in 1902, TNT went to replace picric acid in shells and hand grenades. TNT, as a fairly powerful explosive, but at the same time with a very low sensitivity and ability to melt at a temperature of 80,1 degrees, quickly became one of the main types of explosives used for military purposes. Production of TNT in the war reached colossal quantities. For example, Germany during the Second World War produced 18 thousand tons of TNT per month, while total production exceeded 800 thousand tons.


One of the surviving buildings of the factory for the production of explosives and shells in the vicinity of the small town of Hessisch Lichtenau, near Kassel. In secret documents it was known under the code name Friedland. From 1938 to 1945, the year 118,6 thousand tons of trotyl and 5,6 thousand tons of picric acid were produced here.

Raw materials for the production of TNT - toluene, obtained from petroleum, the process of catalytic reforming of gasoline fractions. This is the main method of obtaining a product, which in a peaceful economy is mainly used as a solvent. In small quantities, toluene can be obtained from the resin formed during the coking of black or brown coal. In Germany, both methods were used to produce toluene. But since there was little oil, and tar was used in large quantities to produce synthetic fuel, in Germany toluene was obtained by alkylation of benzene, another coking product of coal. The reaction also involved methanol and a catalyst.


Toluene - the main raw material for the production of TNT, looks quite harmless: colorless, mobile and volatile liquid, usually used as a solvent

This is one of the typical military technologies: quite complex, with a relatively low yield of toluene, but it allowed turning benzene into raw materials for the production of explosives, which was produced by chance in the production of coke and was used only as a motor fuel. Perhaps the Germans would have developed this technology, but they were clearly restrained by the lack of methanol, which in those years was obtained by dry distillation of wood, and this raw material in Germany was also not enough.

How much TNT will come out of shit?

Since all facilities for the extraction, processing and transportation of oil are included in the list of priority goals, it is necessary, in the event of a large and prolonged war, to be morally and technically prepared to remain without oil (or with a very small amount of oil). From this it follows that there must be technologies for obtaining the necessary substances and materials from some other raw material, which in any case will be available. Well, for example, manure.

It just seems incredible and impossible. In fact, it is quite possible to get the same toluene from this manure. Or, more broadly, from wastewater treatment waste, both from the city sewage system and from various animal breeding enterprises. Moreover, the difference between these types of waste is quite small.

The chemical composition of manure ... Yes, in agronomy, the chemical composition of manure is studied very carefully due to the fact that this is the most common organic fertilizer and you need to know exactly the content of nutrients for plants in it. So, the chemical composition of manure is as follows: 65-77% (depending on the type) - water, 20-30% - organic matter. A small residue is distributed between various substances that are useful for plant nutrition: nitrogen, phosphoric acid, potassium, lime, silicic acid. Their content is relatively small, say, phosphoric acid 0,2-0,3%.

For military chemical needs, the most interesting part is made up of organic substances, which are a complex conglomerate of various hydrocarbon compounds - food debris. Using pyrolysis, that is, thermal decomposition into simpler hydrocarbon compounds and simple substances (such as hydrogen, carbon monoxide, carbon), raw materials for the production of explosives can be obtained from this organic residue.


Typical pyrolysis installation. The photo clearly shows its main parts: a horizontal retort for pyrolysis with a loading hatch (right), a heating device with a supply of pyrolysis gas as fuel (along the yellow pipe), pipes for discharging pyrolysis products and capacitors (left).

The pyrolysis of wastes from livestock factories is a technology that is not very common today, but it has already been sufficiently developed to judge its capabilities. When heated to 400-500 degrees, the waste during pyrolysis decomposes into three main fractions: gaseous (usually a mixture of hydrogen, carbon monoxide and methane), liquid pyrolysis liquid, and solid carbon residue. The specific yield of products depends both on the nature of the material being processed and on the pyrolysis mode, but approximately the gas fraction is about 30%, the liquid - 35-40%, the rest is solid carbon.

Pyrolysis liquid, otherwise called synthetic oil, is a mixture of hydrocarbon compounds, in color and consistency very similar to fuel oil or heavy diesel fuel. It can be distilled, like oil, and a number of other products can be obtained from it: gasoline, kerosene, diesel fuel, etc.


Pyrolysis liquid is something between a diesel fuel and fuel oil.

For example, in such a pyrolysis liquid of the order of 28% of the volume falls on gasoline fractions. Yellow gasoline has an octane rating of 84,3 and contains a large amount of valuable substances: benzene - 4,2%, total aromatic hydrocarbons - 46,8%, including 12% toluene, 4,6% xylene and 17,4% ethylbenzene. Such gasoline is unsuitable for use as a motor fuel, but it is a valuable raw material for further processing.

That is, from a ton of dry shit, it is quite possible to get about 11,7 kg of toluene or 23,1 kg of TNT. Very good result. This is just what concerns the direct extraction of toluene from the pyrolysis fluid.

The result can be improved if benzene is involved in the processing, which is obtained in the pyrolysis process first at the stage of removing water from the substance to be processed (benzene with water forms an azeotropic, that is, inseparable mixture, with 91% benzene content boiling at 69 degrees). Benzene from pyrolysis water is easy to extract by distillation in the most ordinary distillation apparatus, the same as for distillation of alcohol. In the second stage, benzene can be obtained by pyrolysis of gasoline fractions of the pyrolysis liquid. The methanol required for the synthesis of toluene can be obtained in a special installation from the synthesis gas exiting during the pyrolysis.

It seems that by sharing toluene and benzene obtained from the products of the pyrolysis of shit, it is possible to bring the production of TNT to about 45-50 kg per ton of dry shit.

We will not discuss the technology in detail, but for another reason: it is very complex and interesting only for chemists and technologists. As for certain concerns, the technology is so complex that it is not reproducible in artisanal conditions. If there are hundreds, if not thousands of craftsmen who have made nitrocellulose in the kitchen, then I have never heard of a homemade chemist who was able to bungle TNT at home, even from ready-made components.

Million tons of crap for a big war

And how much of this raw material? It is also not easy to believe, but it is formed a lot. The annual volume of livestock waste is estimated at 300 mln. Tons, and the waste of sewage treatment of urban sewage is about 8,6 mln. Tons. This, of course, is a rough estimate, since no one weighs this waste, and the data are mainly an estimate by eye. But even with such imperfect methods of counting the amount of shit, it represents a very big problem for livestock farms. This is not surprising, in light of the fact that one cow gives about 55 kg of manure per day. It is easy to calculate that a livestock farm on 100 heads per day will give 5,5 tons of manure or 2 thousands of tons per year. Where to put all this - there are no definite answers. Usually, liquid manure is exported and stored in accumulators, where it is settled, composted and then turned into fertilizer, more or less suitable for export to fields.


A typical picture for many livestock farms are mountains of manure and slurry lakes.

In principle, a variety of manure disposal methods have been developed, ranging from incineration to various methods of biodegradation, including biogas production. But they are still little used. The reason is that installations for processing hundreds and thousands of tons of manure per year (say, not uncommon are farms for 4000 cattle heads that “produce” about 80 thousand tons of manure for a year) cost a lot of money, and funds for non-core investments for livestock farms, few people have manure handling. Only the largest and most profitable farms can afford long-term investments in manure processing. The rest is still being taken to the drives.


The drive for manure, as a rule, is very simple - a dam from an earthen dam into which liquid manure is drained. Sometimes dams are destroyed and liquid manure flows into rivers and lakes.

In wartime, one cannot pass by such a source of “military-significant materials” (I have been trying for a long time to find the most accurate and sonorous translation of the German term kriegswichtiger Stoff; the presented variant is so far the best), like all sorts of crap. From the point of view of the military economy, it is the source of the products of its pyrolysis, such as: combustible gas used as fuel or for organic synthesis; pyrolysis fluid used as fuel or for other substances, as well as coal suitable for fuel. Some of this range of products is applicable to the production of explosives.

It is easy to calculate that 300 mln. Tons of manure (75 mln. Tons of organic matter, i.e. dry shit) can produce 1,7 mln. Tons of trotyl or about 140 thousand tons per month if it is processed whole. This, of course, is a grandiose volume of a truly total war, but this is unlikely to be achieved from a purely technical point of view. However, if you aim to produce about 20 thousand tons of TNT per month (which is enough for a large enough war), then it is enough to involve about 870 thousand tons of dry shit or 3,4 million tons of manure per year. In any case, the arrival of manure far exceeds all imaginable needs for explosives that can be produced from it. Even with my rampant militaristic fantasy, it is very difficult to imagine what 140 can use thousands of tons of TNT per month.


... for example, at a massive artillery bombardment

The importance of manure for the military economy is also emphasized by the fact that oil can be exhausted from excessive production, or the oil fields can be destroyed and burned. And in any case, cows and pigs will remain, because there is no way to fight without livestock, meat and skin. If only cows and pigs remain, then inevitably there will be manure. Collect it for processing can be forced to low-working population in the order of military service. Primary, pyrolysis processing of manure can be carried out near the livestock complexes in small stationary or mobile pyrolysis plants, and the semi-products obtained, in particular pyrolysis liquid, can be sent to special factories, including for the production of TNT.
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  1. polpot
    polpot 14 May 2018 06: 18
    +12
    Thank you very interesting and informative.
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 14 May 2018 10: 32
      +3
      The author is a clear admirer of Voinovich ... PukS clearly inspired an idea for him ...
      1. MPN
        MPN 14 May 2018 13: 27
        +13
        Quote: Serge Gorely
        The author is a clear admirer of Voinovich ... PukS clearly inspired an idea for him ...

        Here, here it was inspired by me ... In this connection, I would like to ask the author (do not laugh seriously) to send the following article to the manufacture of 100 grams of people's commissars from the same components ... what
        Well, so for both articles +++ good
        1. nikoliski
          nikoliski 14 May 2018 14: 57
          +5
          After the People’s Commissariat of LSD will we do?) That way the Internet magazine will suffer the fate of a telegram belay
          1. MPN
            MPN 14 May 2018 14: 59
            +6
            Quote: nikoliski
            After the People’s Commissar LSD will we do?

            laughing And notice Nicholas, it's all out of shit! laughing
        2. Per se.
          Per se. 15 May 2018 13: 15
          +3
          Quote: MPN
          The following article should be sent to the manufacture of 100 grams of the People's Commissariat of the same components ...
          So, it is better to re-read Voinovich ("The Life and Extraordinary Adventures of Soldier Ivan Chonkin")
          - Well, Vanya, samogonochka?
          “The first thing you need to do,” Chonkin praised, wiping away his palm
          tears. - Already the spirit zashibaet.
          Gladyshev with the same smile pulled up a flat canning
          the jar that was in his place of the ashtray splashed the moonshine into it and lit it
          match Moonshine flashed blue dim flame.
          - Have you seen?
          - From bread or from beet? - asked Chonkin.
          - Out of shit, Vanya, said Gladyshev with restrained pride.
          Ivan choked.
          - How is that? he asked, moving away from the table.
          “The recipe, Vanya, is very simple,” Gladyshev explained eagerly. - you take on
          Kilo Shit Kilo Sugar ...
          Tilting a stool, Chonkin rushed to the exit. On the porch he almost
          knocked down Aphrodite with a child and two feet from the porch rested his forehead on
          log wall log hut. His kwalo and turned inside out.
          1. MPN
            MPN 15 May 2018 13: 53
            +6
            Quote: Per se.
            So, it’s better to re-read Voinovich

            I read it ... laughing But science is to fail ... on an industrial scale ... and here it is a tear ... laughing
            1. Evgeniy667b
              Evgeniy667b 19 May 2018 08: 11
              +2
              There are a lot of sources of organics for pyrolysis. Peat, sapropel. other plant residues, just recycle.
    2. nikoliski
      nikoliski 14 May 2018 14: 55
      -1
      Interesting yes but informative only for terrorists wink
    3. Fedor egoist
      Fedor egoist 14 May 2018 23: 49
      +6
      It turns out of shit, you can even do TNT ... It remains only to learn how to collect shit-nuclear warheads :))
  2. tasha
    tasha 14 May 2018 06: 51
    +3
    Having said “A”, you again do not say “B”. In order not to accidentally lose the idea or fall into the category of empty dreamers from the category: “If only you could make such wings so that you can fly ....”, imagine some livestock complex, estimate the yield of raw materials, processing costs, and costs transportation, etc. etc. Then the article will become more complete ...

    Even during the war, there is an economy, oddly enough ..
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 14 May 2018 10: 02
      +5
      After the last article, I teased about the cat tray. Now I am seriously considering the acquisition of the Far Eastern hectare in order to build a toilet on it as an object for the production of strategic raw materials. After the set period has passed, any representative of the government will be able to make sure that the site was used for the stated purposes.
      1. nikoliski
        nikoliski 14 May 2018 15: 00
        0
        I am surprised by people who really (and not like you jokingly) invest money in the Far East, I’m 100% sure that in the near future there will be another Chinese province (as we "squeezed" the Crimea while there was a coup and a mess in Kiev, China will do the same if we have some sort of mess started, a coup-revolution, a war with NATO, etc.
    2. wehr
      14 May 2018 12: 33
      0
      Such detailed work in itself costs money and must be paid.
      1. tasha
        tasha 14 May 2018 14: 32
        +4
        Here, here it is - the mercantile essence of modern journalists .. wink

        “Have you built the stairs?”
        - Built ..
        “Why didn't you screw the bolts?” The staircase fell apart ... People fell ..
        - Bolts are already details. But what a staircase was promising! Boltless! And in general, you have not yet grown to our stairs! Also, a specialist was found to me ... And suddenly there will be no war and bolts ... wassat
        1. wehr
          14 May 2018 21: 30
          +1
          Moloch military-industrial technology requires sacrifice.
          And thank him for taking the money: am
          1. tasha
            tasha 15 May 2018 04: 14
            0
            The military economy does not measure everything with money. Man-hours, the cost of materials and fuel, which can be used elsewhere and with greater results and less casualties in the end ...
            1. wehr
              15 May 2018 12: 45
              0
              Well, what do you mean by that? What oil is better? Well, yes, better, and the cycle is shorter by one stage. Not yet bombed.
              What not to do anything? This is a step to your own defeat.
              1. tasha
                tasha 16 May 2018 04: 08
                +1
                What oil is better?

                I want to say that your proposals are ill-conceived and unworked. This is still nothing, but with such obstinacy you defend some of your delusions that you surprise ... And think about it? smile

                It is possible that with the lack of the same TNT other explosives will be used, which are easier to obtain. Here is a topic for thought .... winked
                1. wehr
                  16 May 2018 12: 53
                  +1
                  You do not have such. In the absence of your own proposals, your position essentially boils down to the thesis: nothing needs to be done, everything is all right. And to act from the position of “do not do anything” is an approach that unambiguously leads to losing in any big war.

                  As for delusions, it is still necessary to prove that these are delusions. You have never done this, and I have some confidence that you cannot. Well, and rush peremptory assessments you also have no right.

                  Different types and compositions were used, and experience has shown that trotyl is difficult to replace. Alternatives were either weaker than TNT, or their technology was even more complex and required scarce raw materials.
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 16 May 2018 13: 47
                    0
                    Your position essentially boils down to the thesis: nothing needs to be done, everything is so good

                    You cannot understand my position and are not even trying ...
                    Demagogue you and the boor. Here is a peremptory assessment. Live now with this ....
                    1. wehr
                      16 May 2018 15: 21
                      +1
                      What, did not like my hard logic? laughing
                      I often come across the fact that people ascribe to themselves some qualities and competencies, and then they are very offended when they cannot manifest them in the befitting case.
                      I advise you to get rid of this; you cannot win a war on the competences assigned to yourself.
                      1. tasha
                        tasha 17 May 2018 04: 47
                        0
                        Read.
    3. faridg7
      faridg7 15 May 2018 16: 03
      +1
      It’s also interesting how trotyl produced by this technology will be more expensive than traditionally made from petroleum products? Or cheaper?
  3. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 14 May 2018 07: 46
    +4
    There is such an electronic magazine, "Chemistry and Chemists" (http://chemistry-chemists.com) ..... There are many interesting things for all kinds of "lovers" ... wink
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 14 May 2018 11: 57
      +5
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      There is such an electronic journal- "Chemistry and Chemists"

      Is it chemistry ... is it chemists laughing
  4. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 14 May 2018 08: 51
    +1
    the main components of human crap are indole and skatol, which give it a specific smell
  5. thinker
    thinker 14 May 2018 10: 07
    +1
    Well, we are waiting for the continuation of the extraction of gold from sea water lol
    The total amount of gold in the waters of the oceans is estimated at 25-27 million tons.

    http://absolutprom.com/tehnologii-polucheniya-zol
    ota-iz-morskoy-vodyi /
  6. garri-lin
    garri-lin 14 May 2018 10: 28
    +1
    The body of mammals still emits a whole series of waste products. What will the next article be about?
  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 14 May 2018 11: 12
    +7
    Many thanks to the author for being so sensitive and attentive to the "requests of the working people"! I think that this article on the topic: “The Importance of Poop in Strengthening the Country’s Defense Ability” is not the last in the wonderful cycle “Waste of society’s life-in-business, as a way to increase the welfare of society and the country's security!” After all, there are so many topics suitable for this cycle lying around! We will now look forward to the article: 1 "Using" used condoms and tampons in the manufacture of gas masks "; 2." Vomit as a raw material for the production of tank diesel fuel "; 3. How easy it is to equip public and apartment toilets with intestinal gas collection containers "; 4." Competition for the development of an individual gas receiver. " Institution, after applying to the government, Prizes named after Verkhoturov! The prize will be awarded to residents of those houses where they can provide heating for their homes in winter at the expense of their own resources without using "external" gas fuel! Unfortunately, the Author was ahead of the topic: "Making soles for sneakers from used chewing gum" .... Russia lost a priority! It remains only to wish the Author to switch to the 4-hour sleep and ... work, work!
  8. Vadim237
    Vadim237 14 May 2018 11: 42
    +2
    These 300 million tons of feces can be sent as fuel for biogenerating power plants - at the exit
    tens of gigawatts of electricity and millions of tons of high-quality fertilizers.
    1. wehr
      14 May 2018 12: 49
      +1
      This biogas technology has one, but a very significant disadvantage for Russia - it only works at a positive temperature.
      1. your1970
        your1970 14 May 2018 13: 16
        +3
        Quote: wehr
        This biogas technology has one, but a very significant disadvantage for Russia - it only works at a positive temperature.
        on small volumes - on large volumes there is enough heat due to decomposition.
        1. wehr
          14 May 2018 21: 32
          0
          The next minus - the production of biogas is quite slow, whereas pyrolysis - fast technology.
          Well, to the heap, the third drawback - after the production of biogas, it still remains a shit that needs to be put away somewhere, and after pyrolysis everything goes into business.
          Biogas is a development for hot and poor countries so that they do not burn dung, but use more environmentally friendly fuel.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 May 2018 11: 08
            0
            And in Russia you need to use all this to the maximum.
      2. sergeyezhov
        sergeyezhov 14 May 2018 13: 30
        +2
        Quote: wehr
        This biogas technology has one, but a very significant disadvantage for Russia - it only works at a positive temperature.

        You can use biogas for heating
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 May 2018 16: 08
          +2
          One biogas boiler room is enough to heat cascades of humus tanks in the cold season.
      3. parma
        parma 14 May 2018 14: 21
        +2
        Part of the biogas for your own needs can be used ... Do you think the gas transmission system works due to what? In the same tanker, I use oil transported as fuel ...
    2. Elk
      Elk 14 May 2018 20: 52
      +3
      Shit will be electricity
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 May 2018 11: 07
        0
        For that, open sedimentation tanks for shit will disappear in Russia.
  9. cats
    cats 14 May 2018 11: 53
    +3
    The author is strange .. I already wrote about the piss, now about poop ..
    I'll go wash my hands ..
  10. tank66
    tank66 14 May 2018 12: 04
    +1
    Thank you I looked at how “I want to know everything” from the 80s. But what - shtob doesn’t download the planet at all, it's time to take a closer look at secondary products.
  11. Curious
    Curious 14 May 2018 14: 21
    +5
    Focusing on excrement, the author missed such an important resource as sweat. On average, at room temperature a person secretes 400-600 ml of sweat per day. In hot weather, as well as due to hard physical labor, up to 1,2 liters of sweat per day is possible. In wartime, due to stressful situations, perspiration can be increased. The population of Russia could produce up to 150 million liters of sweat per day. Sweat contains sulfuric acid compounds, phosphates, potassium chloride, calcium salts, as well as products of protein metabolism: urea, lactic acid, uric acid, ammonia, and some amino acids.
    I think that having established the collection of sweat, the issue of raw materials for the production of ammunition will be closed.
    1. igordok
      igordok 14 May 2018 15: 27
      +5
      They forgot about earwax.
  12. Zloy
    Zloy 14 May 2018 14: 30
    +2
    The purpose of publishing this article is not clear. Probably everything was already written about in VO, now let's talk about the production of explosives from shit and urine. What's the point? Both that and another is economically inexpedient. And for what? What, oil ran out and toluene? The volume of benzene production in the country is more than 1 million tons / year, toluene - more than 250 thousand tons / year. The author’s ideas resemble the ideas of “ingenious inventors”, who are upholding the thresholds of various departments in search of financing with completely crazy ideas and always bleating that their stupid ideas are not able to be appreciated by stupid officials.
    1. wehr
      14 May 2018 21: 38
      +2
      Benzene - 1 million tons, toluene - more than 250 thousand tons - this before rocket or air strikes on petrochemical plants. Do you think a likely adversary will overlook such goals? If it does not pass, then you have very serious problems with the production of explosives.
      And do not count on luck, as the Germans with their factories synthetic fuel. When they were bombed, the Germans arrived kirdyk. Americans in the post-war publications noted that they made a mistake and took them very late.

      You are their breed of people "no war will not", that's all, unable to understand the conditions of war.
      1. your1970
        your1970 14 May 2018 22: 15
        +2
        Quote: wehr
        Americans in post-war publications noted that they made a mistake and took up them very late.
        -ag, that’s why the Germans wrote that by April 1945 only 7% of production capacities had suffered. Toli do not go skiing, Toli felts pretend to be full collective farmers
        1. wehr
          14 May 2018 23: 31
          +1
          Rather, you do not know anything about the military-economic history. Synthetic fuel plants, oil refineries were almost completely destroyed, so in March 1945, fuel production ceased.
          Combined with the destruction of the largest railway hubs, this dealt Germany a tipping blow.

          As usual, "no war will be." There are rubbish and then they climb into a quick dispute.
          1. your1970
            your1970 15 May 2018 09: 36
            +1
            Quote: wehr
            Rather, it is you who do not know anything about military-economic history.
            I wrote about INDUSTRIES in general
            Bombing
            "Of these, the British Royal Air Force dropped 955 tons
            The United States Air Force dropped 395 tons. For 000 sorties, the British Air Force dropped in Germany:
            To cities: 430 747 tons, or 46% (including 196 335 tons of incendiary bombs)
            For industrial facilities: 153 585 tons, or 15%
            For other purposes: 380 712 tons, or 39% (according to Harris) "
            Losses of German industry from aviation operations to the time of the surrender of Germany
            1. parma
              parma 15 May 2018 09: 40
              0
              And did they consider% to be exactly the same methodology as the percentage set for lend-lease?
              1. your1970
                your1970 15 May 2018 10: 03
                0
                these are the counts Germans in April 1945.
                1. wehr
                  15 May 2018 12: 49
                  +1
                  The Germans didn’t count anything in April 1945, they didn’t even see the loss statistics. This phrase and gives you headlong.
                  In fact, this is American data compiled immediately after the war. Strategic Bombing Survey Unit.

                  You really do not understand the difference between the percentage of damage throughout the industry and all industries and damage to individual enterprises? Not? Did not occur to? Then ask, for example, the Leuna-Werke plant. I will not say what kind of plant it is - if you know something about the military economy of Germany, then you will not need this.
  13. Whowhy
    Whowhy 14 May 2018 15: 51
    0
    then I’ve never heard of a homemade chemist who was able to make TNT at home, even from ready-made components

    Oh well... lol
    1. wehr
      14 May 2018 21: 38
      0
      Examples !!!! laughing
  14. Monarchist
    Monarchist 14 May 2018 18: 03
    +1
    polpot, I wouldn’t take such an odious nick for myself, the article seems very interesting. I agree with him, the article is rather curious, but I have a nasty mood (at work), and I ask: 1) WHY did the Germans have neither WWII nor him, and they widely used various ersatz, didn’t use TNT from poop? Or did the Germans not have these chemists? 2) the author is so fascinating about it that you want to ask, but you yourself tried to cook? Is there such a production somewhere in the WORLD?
    Below comrade Tascha correctly noted: how much will it cost? I used to read at school: in the Second World War someone wanted to make gunpowder from poplar fluff, but it turned out that “the sheepskin isn’t worth the candle”: to get 1 grams of full-grade gunpowder, you need almost a railway carriage of fluff. So think about it: is it profitable in wartime or not?
    1. wehr
      14 May 2018 21: 48
      +4
      Anywhere in the world there is such a production?

      And what, you need to turn off your brains as unnecessary? laughing Referring to world experience is to confess inability to think.

      1. Due to the shortage of land and the fact that ammonium nitrate went into military production, manure in Germany during the war was used for fertilizers.
      2. The technology of waste pyrolysis, as it is now, was developed relatively recently, in 80 and 90, and even in 2000. Apparently, it appeared as a by-product of technologies for processing heavy oil, bitumen, and the like.
      3. The technology of synthesis of various substances from synthesis gas also appeared only after the war. Because of this, synthesis gas had limited use (urban gas, lighting, heating, motor fuel).

      But tell me, from your point of view, it is profitable to protect the Motherland or not?
  15. Arakius
    Arakius 14 May 2018 19: 13
    +1
    Good article. And informative and fascinating, and without politoty. Today it’s such a rarity
  16. Wolka
    Wolka 14 May 2018 19: 58
    +1
    the material is clearly custom-made, well, just like a "young technician", the main idea is to properly submit ...
  17. Elk
    Elk 14 May 2018 20: 49
    +3
    Interesting article ++
    in any case, cows and pigs will remain, because without cattle, meat and skin it’s impossible to fight

    and it depends on the scale of the conflict. In the Second World War and livestock, there were almost no collective farmers in the European part of the USSR, who should give meat and skin to the country.
  18. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 14 May 2018 21: 09
    +3
    Thanks to the author and PLUSER !!!
  19. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 14 May 2018 22: 33
    +2
    It turns out that the saying "How from ..... d .... bullet" is not entirely correct.
    1. realist
      realist 15 May 2018 19: 16
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      if you freeze it is a great bullet until it melts :)
  20. Ivan Petrov-Vodkin
    Ivan Petrov-Vodkin 15 May 2018 16: 37
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    Next article of the author: "Blood, sweat and tears or how to create a hydrogen bomb from biological fluids."
    1. wehr
      15 May 2018 18: 35
      +1
      Wrong!!! laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 May 2018 11: 18
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        What is the right way then?
        1. wehr
          16 May 2018 12: 55
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          See soon laughing
    2. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 19 May 2018 08: 37
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      By the way, phosphorus was first obtained from urine, i.e. urine by Geennig Brand. He kept evaporating urine and evaporating! Yes, and this got rich well.
  21. realist
    realist 15 May 2018 19: 15
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    very curious, I’m certainly a chemist, I realized not everything but interesting. and I also know that the same cows in the process of life emit methane (it seems 5 liters per day) and strongly pollute the atmosphere, destroy the ozone layer, so I would also learn how to use it ......
  22. Zloy
    Zloy 16 May 2018 12: 18
    +2
    Guys, believe me that in the event of a war and 100% destruction of petrochemical plants, explosives will not be made of shit anyway. There is no economy in this process. It's like getting gold from seawater. Yes, it is there, but calculate the cost of production. Or how to do explosives from poplar fluff - support the previous commentator.
    And about the fact that it is cost-effective to defend the homeland? This is already a distortion, a game of high phrase. Yes, it is cost-effective to protect the homeland for any normal state, since the lack of protection will lead to the loss of the entire material base. But imagine there is a concept of economics in wartime. And it says that if goals can be achieved in two ways, then a simpler and more technological one will always be chosen.
    1. wehr
      16 May 2018 13: 00
      +1
      And what will they do? laughing
      I somehow described the way in the main features. And you? And you have nothing but "guys, believe me."
      I do not believe you at all.
  23. Tarikxnumx
    Tarikxnumx 17 May 2018 00: 03
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    Your "projects" are interesting, but absolutely not thought out in terms of technical implementation and economic feasibility. How are you going to get that toluene for explosives, that urea for gunpowder? Centralized or at each farm will we set up collection and treatment stations? Or maybe we will set up full-cycle stations? How many people and equipment are needed for service in the first and second, and maybe in the third option? The same utopia as military auger rovers ...
    The generation of non-sense ideas, on the principle - I came up with, and you yourself’re breaking your brain how to implement all this ...
    1. wehr
      17 May 2018 00: 39
      +1
      Detailed thinking requires separate work and must be paid for. I have often come across hitanats who steal ideas and run to pass them off as mine.
      1. Tarikxnumx
        Tarikxnumx 17 May 2018 14: 54
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        And no one requires you to complete the project. But you can calculate the approximate economy, and after that it will immediately become clear whether the sheepskin is worth the candle, or if you should not even stutter about it ...
        1. wehr
          17 May 2018 19: 13
          +1
          If we assume that the manure is purchased, and the purchased diesel fuel is used for heating the pyrolysis unit, the cost of a kilogram of pyrolysis gasoline will be approximately 17 rubles per kilogram. Taking into account the cost of gasoline distillation, the cost of pyrolysis toluene will be approximately 20 rubles per kg. The sale price of oil toluene is 95 rubles per liter or 110 rubles per kg.
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  25. macgyver
    macgyver 20 May 2018 22: 10
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    Who gives the product a secondary one, he eats excellent! (c)
  26. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 23 May 2018 12: 41
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    Quote: wehr
    Well, what do you mean by that? What oil is better? Well, yes, better, and the cycle is shorter by one stage. Not yet bombed.
    What not to do anything? This is a step to your own defeat.


    Why is it that everyone is fixated on oil? Yes, it is also obtained from it, but toluene is mainly obtained by coking coal. Or will you say that all coal deposits will also be destroyed? It was first made of pine resin. Will all the pine trees in our country be destroyed too? reinvent the wheel? Besides, it’s from shit. Moreover, it’s already trotyl of the past, and will soon retire. In its pure form, it is currently used only in TNT blocks. Yes, it is still part of many mixed explosives. But chemistry is not stands still, most mixed explosives already use other more efficient and cheaper explosives, which are made in chemical plants that are not related to the petrochemical industry. As they once abandoned dynamite and melinite, so in the near future they will send TNT to than to develop new methods for obtaining obsolete products, the author would be better if he came up with something new
    Quote: whowhy
    then I’ve never heard of a homemade chemist who was able to make TNT at home, even from ready-made components

    Oh well... lol


    I agree that any chemist at home will easily make TNT with toluene and a pair of certain acids, and the same toluene is easily extracted from most solvents. Just because this is not advertised does not mean that it is impossible, but for the reason that it is illegal and You can go to places not so remote for a long time.
  27. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 27 May 2018 08: 09
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    I don’t even know, but everything is obvious from the chemical point of view, but why all this?