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Surprise is worse than C-300. What did Mr. Netanyahu not take into account?

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The working visit of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Moscow, scheduled for 9 on May 2018, became known early in the month. As it turned out later, together with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Serbian leader Alexander Vucic, Netanyahu took part in events to mark the 73 anniversary of the Great Victory, including the military parade on Red Square, as well as the action "Immortal Regiment". But if A.Vucic’s arrival is very easily explained by the Serbian’s desire to build decent military-technical and economic cooperation with fraternal Russia, as well as to enlist military-diplomatic support for a possible resolution of the “Kosovo issue”), then the hypocrisy of the key person on the Middle East agenda is Netanyahu has long been no limit. Presentation of the Jewish state as a “reliable and trusted” partner of the Russian Federation, a firm handshake with Vladimir Putin, assurances of the deepest respect of our state, and then another “knife in the back” - this is the most colorful characteristic of the behavior of the majority of Israeli leaders towards Russia. And Bibi Netanyahu is no exception.

Initially, it was clear that his visit to the events in honor of Victory Day was only a forced formality, while the real goal was to obtain guarantees for the complete "freezing" of the delivery of anti-aircraft missile systems C-300PMU-2 "Favorite" to Syrian air defense forces, and also non-interference of the Russian military contingent in the next stage of the high-intensity Israeli-Iranian military conflict in the Golan Heights region, in which Al-Quds troops participate. Considering the fact that, at first glance, a mutually beneficial "deal" took place again, Netanyahu, for his part, could only offer the refusal of support from the an-Nusra terrorist formations and Free Syrian Army militants in the largest southern opposition springboard Dar'a - Essaouida - Quneitra, which is considered by military experts and political scientists as the main offensive "fist" on the fortifications of Syrian government forces.

The results of this visit were not long in coming. On Friday, May 11, a day after the massive Israeli air strike on the strongholds of the main ally of the Syrian army, the special forces of the IRGC Al-Quds, as well as the facilities of the Syrian air defense, Vladimir Kozhin, an assistant to the president of Russia for military-technical cooperation -or negotiations on the possible supply of C-300 complexes to the Syrian side, after which the press secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov summed up that the transfer of “three hundred” to Damascus had never been announced. Such an abrupt change of position, literally a couple of weeks later, after statements by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, as well as the First Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Sergey Rudsky about “removing Moscow’s moral obligations that previously prevented the transfer of C-300 to the Syrian army”, as well as “considering the possibility of resuming the supply of these complexes to Damascus, from a boldly patriotic point of view, may seem like another “drain” of our Middle Eastern allies in favor of the imperial ideas of Tel Aviv and Washington. Quite a large number of observers have already managed to link this situation with the military-political immaturity of the Russian leadership and inconsistency in making major decisions.

But let's evaluate what is happening not from the bell tower of the patriotic hurray-patriot, but from the point of view of the Kremlin’s foreign policy pragmatism and strategic defense of the Russian Federation’s defense department, after all, people who can predict the actions of the same Israel a dozen steps ahead lead and direct them. From this it follows that at this stage, the conditions proposed by the Israeli Prime Minister for some unofficial deal are in Russia's national and regional interests. It is also worth remembering that the current position of Moscow on C-300PMU-2 is very fragile and can quickly change in the event of an uncoordinated "movement" of the Jewish state. If the Israeli side really assured the leadership of the Russian Federation in dismissing FSA militants in the southern “semi-webs” at the Golan Heights in exchange for “freezing” the “Favorites” program (and there is no other formula visible here), this is a very winning combination.

It consists in the fact that after the final mopping up of ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation) Yarmouk (in the southern regions of Damascus), as well as the liberation from the FSA fighters of the "Rastan Cauldron" (in the Homs governorate), which are noticeably weakened in the battles by pro-government forces, including The Tiger Forces and Hezbollah units will make it much easier to break through the defensive lines of the Syrian Free Army militants if the military-technical support of the latter from the IDF finally ceases. Subsequently, the southern regions of Syria (Essaouida and Al Quneitra) can be returned to Damascus’s control several times faster than with the direct participation of Israel on the enemy’s side. Of course, the Syrian-Jordanian section of the border where the Dzharash-Dara and El-Mafraq-Dara highways can act as a “strategic loophole” for supporting the opposition-terrorist “backbone” in southern Syria. Military cargo from Saudi Arabia, as well as the United States, delivered by military transport, can be transported along them. aviation and amphibious assault ship groups of the U.S. Navy. But there’s a catch: the border sections of these highways can be taken under fire control of the Syrian army’s rocket artillery much easier than the sections of the Golan Heights covered by Iron Dome complexes.

As for the support of the anti-government group FSA, as well as the terrorist units of Dzhebhat al-Nusra in the south of the Syrian Arab Republic from Israel, this has been known since the fall of 2014, when Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem told in an interview with the television channel “ Russia Today. These data were confirmed by the statements of the then Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon, who classified "al-Nusra" as a "moderate group", despite the fact that it is included in the international list of terrorist groups. However, against the background of the continuing threat of the transfer of the Russian C-300 complexes to Damascus, the Israeli military leadership decided not to play with fire, which resulted in the absence of visible attempts to reach the rebels during the night of May 10, immediately after the attacks of Israeli tactical aviation and MLRS MLRS on the positions of the CAA and elite Iranian special forces "Quds", members of the IRGC. Only small skirmishes and artillery duels between the FSA and the CAA were recorded in the area of ​​the village of Chadder near the Golan Heights.

As you can see, the use of the C-300 anti-aircraft missile system as an instrument of military-political pressure has served an excellent service in manipulating the Israeli side, whose ultimate goal is to accelerate the restoration of Syrian sovereignty over the territories seized by the opposition. It is noteworthy that Sergey Markov, director of the NP Institute for Political Studies, also declares the existence of such a “deal” between Russia and Israel. His opinion is that "Russia as a great nation will not give Tehran; but its dominant influence in Syria is also not included in the spectrum of Russian interests. ” Agree, the idea is very strange and contradictory (especially from the position of an ally), but it can also be partially understood.

Most likely, with such statements by Sergey Alexandrovich, Moscow gently, at the media information level, gives Iran a little significant signal about the inadmissibility of playing “its own anti-Israel card” in the Syrian theater of operations, bypassing Russia's interests at this stage. As you know, the list of these interests includes the speedy destruction of the “southwestern half-coaster”, and then the slow progress on the eastern bank of the Euphrates (starting with the “Hushama pocket”), involving “Quds” and Syrian militia against the pro-American group “Army north of Syria "emerging today from the SDF soldiers and former rebels LIH. It is easy to understand that the clash between pro-Iranian forces and the IDF against the background of such a strategy only weakens the potential of the Syrian Arab Army, "pulling" its most efficient units to a new focus of tension in the Golan Heights.

Nevertheless, the existence of a tacit agreement between Russia and Israel does not in the least lessen the urgency of protecting the Syrian airspace from future massive missile strikes by the US Navy on the most important strongholds of the Syrian government forces in the Euphrates and the southern "de-escalation zone". Indeed, despite the Israeli-Russian “reconciliation of hours” on the situation in the southern part of the ATS, the ambitions of the White House and the Pentagon are much more ambitious here and are still focused at least on the seizure of large territories on the west coast of the Euphrates and in the southern outskirts of Damascus and at most the overthrow of the government of Bashar al-Assad, or his ousting from Damascus to Homs, Lattakia or Tartus.

As we have previously considered, based on information from the Ministry of Defense, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia and numerous eyewitnesses, for this purpose, military training camps have been deployed in the Hasek provinces, the 55-kilometer “security zone”, as well as the “southern de-escalation zone”, which instructors of the Marine Corps and US MTR teach Kurdish fighters "Syrian Democratic Forces", "Army of the North of Syria", as well as the "Free Syrian Army" tactics of attack on the units of the Syrian army, disorganized by numerous missile E missile and air strikes US fleet and the air force. To be able to carry out such attacks, the American aircraft carrier group led by the nuclear carrier CVN-75 USS “Harry S. Trumen” is represented by a reinforced strike, anti-submarine and anti-air component of 6 destroyers of the “Arleigh Burke” class (instead of 3-4 EM with a standard warrant) , missile cruiser URO CG-60 "Normandy" class "Ticonderoga", as well as additional German frigate F221 "Hessen" class "Saxony". On seven American Aegis rocket control ships weapons can be placed from 200 to 450 of strategic Tomahawk cruise missiles in various variants (RGM-109E, TLAM-C and TLAM-D).

And therefore, already now the Russian Defense Ministry has been tasked with finding a worthy alternative to C-300PS / PMU-2, which is able to protect the CAA from the merciless blows of coalition forces. It has long been known that an indisputable technical advantage of C-300PS / PM1 / 2, in view of the program of the first of the first edition of the program, is the installation of the ФХNUMXС container with the radar 1ХХ30 / Е6 radar complex on the 2ВXNMXMXMXMXM / 40 / 6 / 25 radar complex of the 40C with the radar complex of the illumination and guided missile systems on the 6 / 39 radar If we calculate the range of the radio horizon with the refractive index 3,57 (for DM / SM waves), we get the possibility of intercepting "Tomahawks" at distances around 45 — 47 km, because their flight altitude usually reaches 45 - 50. If it’s about AGM-158B JASSM-ER tactical long-range tactical long-range missile air attack missile (mid-flight altitude in the enemy’s air defense positions near 20-25 m), then this range is reduced to 38 - 40 km, which is quite enough to fill the gaps at low altitude chastke airspace of an area of ​​the Syrian Arab Republic.

In particular, two 3 divisional regiments C-300PS, combined into a single missile defense system with the aid of the Baikal-1МЭ automated control system and located at a distance 35 km from each other, plus for each shelf from 4 to 6 "Armor-С1" to protect the "dead zone". In sum, we have 288 ZUR 5В55Р and 144 57Э6Е. Given the presence of the Pechora-2M and Osa-AKM sets, this number would be enough for protection against the most unpredictable rocket attacks. But how to replace C-300, not stipulated by the agreements?

One of the most suitable options is the transfer of additional battalions of Buk-M2E military anti-aircraft missile systems to the Syrian air defense forces. These complexes have never been the subject of military-political "bargaining" between Tel Aviv and Moscow. In the same turn, the extended range to 45 km and the height of the targets hit for the improved 25M9 anti-aircraft missile gives Buk-M317 practically the same combat potential as the S-2PS. Yes, there is no possibility of hitting the Israeli F-300I "Ra'am" and F-15I "Sufa" fighters long before the launch of guided bombs and tactical missiles from their pods, as well as American carrier-based aircraft, but there are excellent abilities to defeat those already flying at Syrian targets for precision weapons. For example, the 16S9M18-1 all-round radar detector, 3S9 illumination and guidance radars, as well as the 36S9 combat control point are equipped with an updated element base, which allows working on small targets with an EPR of about 510 - 0,05 sq. m. Therefore, the list of targets includes anti-radar missiles AGM-0,08HARM, AGM-88E AARGM, missiles of the JASSM-ER, Shtorm Shadow and Delilah families, as well as 88-mm unguided / guided missiles of the M227 / M26 family, included in ammunition MLRS MLRS and HIMARS (not to mention the larger "Tomahawks").

The maximum speed of targets hit for the Buk-M2 is 4320 km / h, which makes it possible to destroy numerous types of operational-tactical ballistic, including the promising Israeli 306-mm EXTRA missile, commercially produced by Israel Military Industries Ltd. . It is worth mentioning that back in February of this year, the head of the Israeli defense ministry Avigdor Lieberman decided to form in the AOI separate units of tactical missiles that are part of the Israeli armed forces structure along with regular artillery troops. It is these offices will adopt «EXTRA» long-range tactical missiles. Virtually all domestic and foreign media have missed this newswhile this rocket is already successfully passing the baptism of fire in the southern part of the Syrian theater of operations. The destruction of these products on the approach to the strategically important facilities of the Syrian army is of paramount importance, since the damage they cause is very high. First, the 450-kilogram OTBR of the EXTRA (the analogue of the Belarusian-Chinese Polonaise) has a range of 150 km, which allows shelling all weapons depots and command posts in the province of Damascus up to Homs.


Tactical missile "EXTRA"


Due to such possibilities are virtually no longer need to harness the impact of aviation Hel Haavir. An even more unpleasant moment can be considered a powerful 125-kilogram warhead and a small circular probable deviation in 10 m, achieved by using a GPS guidance module, as well as a control system based on small aerodynamic rudders installed in the nose of the rocket. This means that even highly protected military infrastructure can be disabled. Given the fact that the flight speed of this missile can go beyond the speed limit of the targets hit by the Artillery-C1 (more than 1000 m / s), the Buk-2E remains the only reliable means of air defense of the Syrian army that can be opposed to the high-precision jet artillery of the IDF long range. For your information, even an informed source “The Weapon of the Fatherland” with reference to the developer mentions that the Buk -M2E complex is intended for the destruction of operational-tactical ballistic missiles with a range within 150 — 200 km.

We turn to the fire performance and survivability of Buk-M2E anti-aircraft missile systems. And here the main spectrum of “surprises” begins to be seen both for the IDF with hundreds of “smart” missiles in service, and for deck tactical aircraft of the US Navy. We know that "Trohsotki / Chetyrohsotki" have quite a significant technical disadvantage. It consists in the presence of only one radar of illumination and 30H6Е / 92Н6Е radar as part of each division. Only one 155-mm “Excalibur” launched from the M109A5 ACS on the Golan with several dozens of different NURSs (targeting from the same “Rivet Joint”) and the “shovel” (the so-called 30H6E in the air defense) are destroyed, and this means , the whole complex will cease to function. Conclusion: it will be extremely difficult to work on air targets in the immediate vicinity of the Syrian-Israeli border of the Three Hundred; or you will have to act “short sorties”, with the interception of several targets and an immediate change of position. Only here the effectiveness of such combat duty leaves much to be desired.

One Buk-М2Е complex can boast the possibility of using 6 self-propelled 9А317Е self-propelled guns at once, each of which has an integrated 9CX36 radar for illumination and targeting, capable of “tying routes” simultaneously for 10 air objects in the tracking mode on the aisle and capturing airborne objects in the tracking mode on the aisle and capturing airborne objects at the same time with 4 air objects in the tracking mode on the aisle and capturing airborne objects simultaneously with 6 while tracking the airway objects auto tracking (backlight) simultaneously for 300 targets. Therefore, one complex is not 24-channel (as C-9), but 317-channel. To completely disable it, it is necessary to destroy all without exception 569А2Э self-propelled fire installations (SOW) placed on the GM-9 tracked chassis. This will be extremely difficult to implement, since (unlike the “Three Hundreds”) radars on the Buk SOU can operate according to the so-called “garland” principle. For example, having spent 317 SAM 6М20 on the target (s) in just a few seconds, one of the 2 self-propelled firing units can turn off the radiation and in 9 seconds change position; During this time, the most priority targets moving from different directions will work out more 316 SOU, and then turn off the radiation and change positions. And so without interruption, until the ammunition is finished both on the SOW and on the XNUMXAXNUMXE start-up installations.

To track down every 9А317Е self-propelled fire installation, especially under the cover of EW facilities generating response / noise and barrage interference in the X / Ku wavebands, will be almost unrealistic even to such radar reconnaissance radars as the Global Hawk RQ-4B. The target allocation to the firing units of the complex (SOU / ROM) can be received online even at the moment of changing positions, which is possible due to the system linking of the 9С510Е command post at the same time with the 9X18ХX1-3E command radar “Kupol-M1-3E”, a survey radar 4XNNXXX1-1E “Kupol-МХNUMX-50Е” -D300М30 ”and“ Baikal-6МЭ ”, which receive data on the air situation from other ground-based radar and airborne aircraft A-14U. As for the C-64, one of its anti-aircraft missile division cannot realize a full-blown reflection of a massive missile strike, since the only 300НХNUMXЕ RPN during fire work can cover only a limited sector of airspace 1X2 degrees. In terms of mobility, another C-5PS / PM / 55 / 48 disadvantage in terms of mobility is the vertical launch type of 6В2Р / 5Н85Е / XNUMX missiles: the fast change of positions of the XNUMXПXNUMXС / CE launchers is impossible for the unit to be able to change the position of XNUMXПXNUMXС / CE launchers is not possible for the unit to be able to change the 4-D, XNUMX / XNUMX / XNUMX / XNUMX XNUMXPXNUMXC / CE missile launchers is not possible in the mobility system; position (lowered onto the platform of the tractor).


Low-altitude radar illumination 9C36


If we talk about the ability to intercept low-altitude strategic and tactical cruise missiles at considerable distances, then here “V.V. Tikhomirov "did not disappoint. For the Buk-M2E complex, a specialized self-propelled radar for illumination 9С36 has been developed, the antenna post of which rises to a height of 22,5 m by means of a specialized universal telescopic mast installation. In this case, the range of action on the cruise missiles flying at an altitude of 20 and m is increased from 20 to 35 km. The capabilities of the "300" to work with "Tomahawks" have been achieved. The conclusion from the entire situation described above is this: having made serious concessions in terms of supporting the southern opposition Syrian gaddies in exchange for freezing Damascus C-300PMU-2 complexes, Israel earned a much more serious headache in the form of intensifying the supply of others, at times more dangerous air defense, as stated by our military and diplomatic source 25 April. Among them is our main military masterpiece - “Buk-М2Е”, and there is not so far to the modular “Tor-М2КМ”, which can be placed on almost any cargo platform ... Here Tel Aviv jumped around with its eternal bargaining.

Information sources:
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1075044.html
https://rueconomics.ru/324859-netanyakhu-raskryl-podrobnosti-razgovora-s-vladimirom-putinym-v-moskve
http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/zrs_s-300pmu2.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/buk-2m/buk-2m.shtml
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 14 May 2018 06: 01
    +35
    Here Tel Aviv jumped with its eternal bargaining.
    - oh, this Damantsev ....
    1. Vard
      Vard 14 May 2018 06: 33
      +23
      A very good article on the topic of the East is a delicate matter ... And if the author has calculated some aspects of the events, then this is very good. As always ... The truth is somewhere nearby. And all politics is the result of compromise. GDP loves judo. And the motto of this struggle ... First succumb, and then win.
      1. dSK
        dSK 14 May 2018 06: 59
        +22
        Quote: Vard
        East is a delicate matter...

        Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev
        the hypocrisy of the key person on the Middle East agenda - Netanyahu has long had no limit. Presentation of the Jewish state as a “reliable and trusted” partner of the Russian Federation, a firm handshake with Vladimir Putin, assurances of the deepest respect of our country, and then another "knife in the back" - this is the most colorful characteristic of the line of behavior most Israeli leaders toward Russia.
        A clear answer to Associate Professor Privalov on his “PR” on the “Opinion” branch.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 14 May 2018 19: 32
        +4
        "as well as 227 mm unguided / guided missiles of the M26 / M30 family, which are part of the MLRS MLRS ammunition"
        But if you count the number of these shells in a salvo and the cost of Buk missiles, for example, is it not too expensive to shoot down rocket artillery shells? By the way, here recently they showed a video of the destruction of the Shell from the camera of a flying rocket. In fact, it turns out that the Shell is highly advertised for the campaign ...
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        2. Conserp
          Conserp 14 May 2018 22: 52
          +24
          Quote: Pilat2009
          By the way, they recently showed a video of the destruction of the Shell from the camera of a flying rocket.
          In fact, it turns out that the Shell is highly advertised campaign ...


          And the video clearly shows that the Shell is off.

          It amuses me very much that the locals are all so “patriotic” moderators who love and take care of people like you.
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                1. ver_
                  ver_ 15 May 2018 13: 57
                  +4
                  .... * Jews, Jews, all around Jews alone .. * - so the song is sung ..
                  1. Dimachrus
                    Dimachrus 16 May 2018 11: 29
                    +13
                    Such songs by themselves do not appear out of the blue ;-)
                    1. Bratkov Oleg
                      Bratkov Oleg 30 May 2018 21: 40
                      0
                      Jews occupied Palestine, and the Arabs will never forgive them.
                  2. vasya.pupkin
                    vasya.pupkin 16 May 2018 16: 43
                    +4
                    Quote: ver_
                    .... * Jews, Jews, all around Jews alone .. * - so the song is sung ..

                    This song begins like this. Here is a tram on rails, a Jew got under a tram, Jews, e., And Jews all around. The song is long / about 15 verses /, but I personally liked this-And the father of my ideas, Karl Marx and that Jew ...
                  3. YAKOV
                    YAKOV 18 May 2018 18: 44
                    0
                    ver_ * Jews, Jews, Jews are all around .. * - it’s sung in a song .. Yes, and it’s a song that was written not by Russian idiots, but by a Jew.
                    1. Alex Nevsky
                      Alex Nevsky 22 May 2018 11: 25
                      +7
                      Are you an idiot writing to yourself?
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                3. Dam
                  Dam 16 May 2018 14: 00
                  0
                  A link to the location is possible. I dream to meet for a long time
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 15 May 2018 13: 44
            0
            Quote: Conserp
            love and patronize people like you

            First, I’m not you.
            And secondly, why take care of me if I do not violate the rules of the site.
            By the way, they moderated me a lot, don’t worry
            1. ver_
              ver_ 25 May 2018 04: 51
              0
              ..aga - then prove that you are not Jewish, ugh - that you are not a goat .., Moder is always right by definition, and everyone understands ... to the best of his abilities and mood at the moment ..
        3. Dzungar
          Dzungar 15 May 2018 17: 03
          +8
          Everyone has long known that this blow was inflicted on an air defense missile defense shell that shot its ammunition and stood unarmed, only you stay hell knows where .....
          1. antosha
            antosha 20 May 2018 18: 51
            0
            why stand in the war unarmed?
            1. Dzungar
              Dzungar 30 May 2018 13: 35
              +1
              Are you pretending ..? Or is it always like that ...?
        4. Dietrich
          Dietrich 3 June 2018 14: 36
          +1
          The shell is without a crew and I will crush one with a hammer. Which is what happened.
        5. Foxmara
          Foxmara 27 December 2018 20: 23
          0
          Without ammunition, turned off and without operators - verily, the Shell in this form is not terrible even for a tortoise crawling in the sand. Not from that rocket. In fact, what prevented the study of the issue?
      3. Skif83
        Skif83 23 May 2018 18: 43
        0
        The art of compromise is a slightly different thing than trying to please everyone at once. Well, it won’t work out. It is clear that Israel is one of the key players on the world stage, but the key ones need to be put in place.
        the hypocrisy of the key person on the Middle East agenda - Netanyahu has long had no limit. Presentation of the Jewish state as a “reliable and trusted” partner of the Russian Federation, a firm handshake with Vladimir Putin, assurances of the deepest respect of our country, and then another “knife in the back” are the most colorful characteristics of the line of behavior of most Israeli leaders towards Russia.

        As the unforgettable Osia Bender said: - Consent is a product with complete non-opposition of the parties! If Netanyahu is accepted, then the receiving side did not mind !?
        Otherwise, he would not have been here. Hence the conclusion - the parties agree ... Only in whose interests?
    2. Don
      Don 14 May 2018 06: 58
      +30
      Israel and the United States breed Russia, playing the good and the bad cop. The results of this game we see in practice. Russia's losses in manpower, military equipment, and reputational losses are growing and will continue to grow. Of course, there is progress in the victory over the terrorists, but it is really small, with such a long time (almost three years) and the effort expended with this. Iran, of course, also plays its own game. He has nowhere to rush to defeat terrorism. He, in order to gain a foothold in Syria, will try to stretch as much as possible in time, until the moment when Moscow can no longer afford to continue the same strain of its forces and means.
      Conclusion: a quick victory of government forces over terrorists is not beneficial to any country except Russia. Russia in this matter is in a losing situation. So you have to agree with someone and make big concessions, either with the United States and Israel, or with Iran. Time will tell...
      1. dSK
        dSK 14 May 2018 07: 17
        +9
        Quote: Donskoy
        either with Iran

        Iran’s loud statements that it will “wipe off” Israel do nothing but harm. We would have studied better at the expense of this from Russia.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 14 May 2018 09: 56
        +35
        Quote: Donskoy
        So you have to agree with someone and make big concessions, either with the United States and Israel, or with Iran. Time will tell...
        Is that why Netanyahu is snooping around on a picnic almost every weekend, and the United States is building a coalition from Arab states in order to get out of Syria?
        Quote: Donskoy
        The results of this game we see in practice. Russia's losses in manpower, military equipment and reputation are growing and will continue to grow.

        There are losses, but the forces of the American coalition also suffer losses. Some sources report that only in the period from May 8 to 10, Americans lost more than 20 w / s. Regarding the reputational losses of Russia, I would like to know what exactly are these losses?
        Quote: Donskoy
        Conclusion: a quick victory of government forces over terrorists is not beneficial to any country except Russia. Russia in this matter is in a losing situation.

        A quick victory over terrorists and the establishment of peace in Syria are not beneficial to only one side - the United States. As for Russia, it is not clear why you think the situation is losing for her? There was one base in Tartus, another one was added to Khmeimim - i.e. the military presence in the region has strengthened. More than 200 types of new weapons were tested, and the portfolio of orders for the purchase of Russian weapons grew to $ 50 billion, 48 thousand military units passed through Syria and gained experience not in the framework of the exercises, but in real combat conditions. The authority of Russia and Russian weapons in the world since the beginning of the operation has grown immeasurably, while the United States and Co. have really and very much damaged their reputation. You probably want to tweak the topic of loss. They are, which is regrettable, but at the same time they are also from unintentional relations and violations of the rules for handling weapons, in view of equipment failure, etc. the number of which per year probably exceeds the number of combat losses for the entire duration of the operation in Syria since 2015.
        Quote: Donskoy
        Of course, there is progress in the victory over the terrorists, but it is really small, with such a long time (almost three years) and the effort expended with this.
        Yes, of course there is! For 2,5 years, with minimal forces and their effective use, Russia has done many times more than what the American coalition from 60 countries did. Before the appearance of Russia on the Syrian theater, the territory controlled by ISIS only increased, and after the appearance of Russia, the bearded began to be crushed in boilers along with foreign advisers, as a result of which the United States and the UN demand to maintain the habitat of the subspecies of the "bearded anthropoids" in at least several Syrian provinces full of oil, Bo they only eat it.
        1. Korax71
          Korax71 14 May 2018 14: 51
          +1
          As I understand it, you are much more knowledgeable than everyone else. Therefore, if it’s not difficult, then you can bring a photo of at least one crushed adviser. Well, and frankly, the bulk of the Ishilovites were concentrated far not in Syria, but in Iraq. Without destroying these reptiles there, then in Syria, success would be much more modest.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 14 May 2018 18: 07
            +16
            Quote: Korax71
            therefore, if not difficult, then you can bring a photo of at least one crushed adviser

            Well, you are aware that because of "poor education and mossy denseness" it’s not customary to take selfies with corpses, and then bring them to the general public since it is not ethical. This is more characteristic of the "intelligent" representatives of the West, who urinate on corpses and shoot this process on camera and upload it to social networks. So be content with other sources and take their word for it, without photos. Who else would shoot them in steaming ruins if we did not participate in the ground operation and beat out “democratic radicalism” with the help of the air forces? On the ground, Syrians work and "trophies" are usually recorded by them with the transfer "where necessary." The prisoners and corpses of the representatives of the coalition and everything connected with them usually become the subject of bargaining and concessions, and graters on their extradition or exchange are conducted at a very high level without much publicity since The Russian Federation and the United States do not officially fight, although they periodically exchange "courtesies" that sometimes manifest themselves in the death of the military / colony, which, in fact, we did not start.
            Quote: Korax71
            well, and frankly, the bulk of the igilovites were concentrated far not in Syria, but in Iraq
            Well, this is a no brainer, since the Iraqi army, after the overthrow of Hussein, became the basis of ISIS, which, with the properly organized work of the United States, began to be imported into neighboring countries. After taming the main watchdogs, the American soldiers practically did not pinch despite the fact that the bulk of the contingent was withdrawn from Iraq. Obviously, both parties were interested and there was an agreement between them.
            Quote: Korax71
            without destroying these reptiles there, then in Syria, success would be much more modest.
            The destruction of the Ishilovites in Iraq is mainly carried out by the Iraqi army, which suffers the main losses in gaining a victory, which the mattresses do not hesitate to ascribe to themselves. One operation to "liberate" Mosul what it costs .... Ugh, shame.
            1. Korax71
              Korax71 16 May 2018 16: 31
              -1
              Come into YouTube and pick up in search of how Russian experts nightmare barmaleev. There are plenty of videos. Many with clearly Russian speech. Just like Donbass militias are photographed against the background of the killed "Ukro-Nazis." And this is all. You can and do not strain search. as well as mattresses there is a photo with the killed Afghans. all are good. and believe our mo-excuse me. he is exactly the same manufacturer of outspoken idle talk as the Pentagon. and how he has his miscalculations for victories, so everyone needs to to learn.
              1. Grigory_78
                Grigory_78 19 May 2018 21: 54
                +3
                Posh logic. Since he speaks Russian, it means a Russian soldier, who else ...
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 20 May 2018 11: 01
                  0
                  Paul - Ukrainian speak Russian
        2. sa-ag
          sa-ag 15 May 2018 08: 26
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          A quick victory over terrorists and the establishment of peace in Syria are not beneficial only to one side - the United States

          And also Iran, where can he put that number of people, which are now traded in Syria. so they provided for themselves, so to speak on pasture, so that a sluggish war would be good for Iran.
      3. credo
        credo 14 May 2018 11: 07
        +14
        Quote: Donskoy
        Israel and the United States breed Russia, playing the good and bad cop ...

        Indeed, it is somehow strange to read the author’s conclusions that Russia allegedly, by means of informational lifting of restrictions on the supply of S-300 to Syria, forced Israel to negotiate with Russia and possibly cease Israel’s support for a motley pack of bandits fighting against the official authorities.
        And unless Israel is engaged in these matters, because there is still the USA, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, EU countries and other interested parties. After all, they also cannot be discarded from the account yet. Since Israel and the United States are working together in Syria, it is too reckless to say that Russia has cleverly caught Israel on the hook of an information feed, even though it flatters our vanity.
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 14 May 2018 14: 16
          +3
          Well, wow the author has a presentation style!
          He substantiated the decision-making rationale in geopolitics / international relations with the tactical and technical characteristics of rocket-artillery weapons ...
          But let’s evaluate what is happening not from the bell tower of the courageous cheer patriot, but from the point of view of the Kremlin’s foreign policy pragmatism and strategic thought of the defense department of the Russian Federation, because they are led and directed by people capable of predicting Israel’s actions dozens of steps forward.

          Pragmatism, rationalism, utilitarianism? I want to believe.
          Yes, and besides Israel there are participants, already a whole coalition. How to "predict" them?
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 14 May 2018 14: 33
            +8

            Yes Yes.
      4. NEOZ
        NEOZ 14 May 2018 12: 39
        0
        Quote: Donskoy
        Moscow can no longer

        and so can Iran?
        Quote: Donskoy
        and make big concessions

        much bigger, divided Syria into the Euphrates ....
      5. Semen1972
        Semen1972 14 May 2018 12: 56
        +2
        Quote: Donskoy
        Conclusion: a quick victory of government forces over terrorists is not beneficial to any country except Russia

        This is where such a conclusion? And then what reason will remain?
      6. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 14 May 2018 12: 59
        +14
        You read the comments, as if the Israeli lobby works for the interests of Israel to the detriment of the Russian, and calling everything beneficial to both sides. I will not criticize the author of the article, because the article at the beginning is for health, and then everything is for the rest of Russian interests ... I recall where our politicians were at the past visits of the cunning Bibi Natanyahu, why they did not demand the cessation of support for terrorists and other secret deals and aggressive bombing Syrian and Iranian allies, exposing Russia as an accomplice of Israeli bombing with the deaths of high-ranking allies. And why do the Syrians need the S-300 when it is full of ours, and even the S-400 to end the Israeli aggression. Why is there no ultimatum requirement to stop all military strikes on the territory of the independent state of the SAR to the Israelis, but only a promise of concessions and betrayal of the SAA and other allies. The author either covers up essentially treacherous and negative actions on the future by the government or looks like a clear figure of pro-Israel influence, which are enough in the government and the media ...
        1. YAKOV
          YAKOV 18 May 2018 23: 29
          0
          Vladimir 5, do not like, do not read anymore. As for the tricks of Netanyahu, the big question. But actually you -. As for the Russian S-300, S-400, YOU BEST NEVER MORE WRITE.
          About this one of your pearl; "Why is there no ultimatum requirement to cease any military strikes on the territory of an independent state of the SAR to the Israelis" Answer;
          for some reason.
          Or here is your pearl 2 "The author looks like a clear figure of pro-Israeli influence, which is enough in the government and the media ... Do not tell me how many figures of pro-Israeli influence in the Russian government and the media. Otherwise, your allegations against the Russian government and the media are still Slander
          1. Zpi
            Zpi 25 May 2018 10: 15
            0
            Is it slanderous that Jews rule Russia (inveterate Zionists - essentially fascists) through their wipes, what is at the helm of Russia? So Russia is far from alone in this. The whole west has long been under the Jews. Here they are in the upper circles "spread" goys everywhere, with their own theater (which would be Putin against the West). Therefore, instead of production, science, medicine and education, Russia has built up an unnecessary (useless), outsized Bureaucracy and sport masturbation! And there are also labor migrant workers to the country, when the indigenous population has absolutely no work and earnings! And all the guest workers are from countries, respectively, where the domestic prices for everything are several times lower than in Russia! (workers' prices in Russia are abolished in addition) Maybe this is how the maternity capital programs more than cover the usefulness? After all, working for 8-10 thousand wooden does not make sense when rents exceeded 10 thousand rubles. All that remains is for the Russians to die out, especially in the remote corners of Russia. Here it is the demographic program of Russia in action - performed by liquid-liquid rulers. And maternal capitals were invented to cover up the eyes of gentiles!
        2. Zpi
          Zpi 25 May 2018 09: 46
          0
          Yes, because our rulers and the ruling (influencing) elite are entirely made up of Jews and even more shameful, venal waiters!
      7. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 14 May 2018 16: 22
        +1
        If Iran plays the game "gain a foothold in Syria", then very quickly, within a few months, it will wait for attacks on its territory aimed at destroying its infrastructure. It is no longer a question of a "fight against terrorism" (in fact, it was not about that initially), but of an attack by Israel and the United States on Iran. Through the territory of Syria and with the help of the local militants.
        So your analysis is incorrect. Iran is most interested in the speedy completion of the anti-terrorist operation in Syria. Then he will receive an ally, over whose territory it will be very problematic to organize missile launches and aircraft flights. Or a war in Syria, and everything happens in a war ...
      8. Misha
        Misha 28 December 2018 16: 42
        0
        Vasily Ivanovich, you are probably the only one out of a large number of respondents in this question who showed a real sober thought and were able to express it in text. The reality is much more complicated than you see it from Russia. The Jews of Israel do not want an open clash with Russia, and not because we were sharply afraid of your presence at our border, we have been fighting with you for 70 years. And as I understand this process is still far from complete. The USSR initially chose the Arabs as its allies and invested billions in equipping them with the latest technology and training army personnel and "fighters for independence", we call them terrorists. Therefore, Natangu tried and is trying to change the situation. Replace the friendship of the numerical superiority of billions of Arabs with a qualitative one for several million Jewish heads. Judging by the responses of your fellow tribesmen, this process of our Prime Minister is doomed to failure. Now, in essence of your formidable missile systems, the weapon is really terrible. It clearly showed recently how it can shoot down an aircraft. My condolences. 25 years. Russia did not develop its electronics, you were doing other things. For 25 years, the Jews of Israel have been advancing day and night. and in defense we are ahead of the entire planet. A future war is not far off. She will put everything in its place. Until then, Happy New Year. By the way, Jews live, fight and win 5,778 years.
    3. figwam
      figwam 14 May 2018 09: 30
      +12
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      - oh, this Damantsev ....

      The whole point of the article is that if you put Syria air defense, then Israel will try to destroy these complexes with the entire range of weapons and get out as you like. I repeat, these complexes should be covered by strike systems (tactical and missile defense) i.e. in the event of an attack on air defense, there must be a retaliatory strike at the air bases and the question will be closed.
      1. jjj
        jjj 14 May 2018 11: 02
        +10
        At the same time:
        - Israel does not allow Iran to break out
        - Iran keeps Israel tense
        - Assad cannot refuse the patronage of Russia
        - Turkey is forced to be in the orbit of Russia
        - The Armed Forces of Russia are in a constant tone
        - Sales of Russian weapons are growing
        - Russia has to take into account in existing and future arrangements.
        Well, like a cherry on a cake. Victory Day, 9 of May, is now not only the national holiday of Israel, but also religious among the Jews of the whole world. Through this prism, it’s worth looking at the events that suddenly began to take place in Ukraine
        1. Zpi
          Zpi 25 May 2018 10: 28
          0
          "Well, like a cherry on the cake. Victory Day, May 9, is now not only a national holiday in Israel, but also a religious holiday among Jews around the world." This is just a stupid joke, counting on the fact that fools (goys) will perceive it for the truth. And after all rolls ...
      2. credo
        credo 14 May 2018 11: 11
        +3
        Quote: figvam

        The whole point of the article is that if you put Syria air defense, then Israel will try to destroy these complexes with the entire range of weapons and get out as you like. I repeat, these complexes should be covered by strike systems (tactical and missile defense) i.e. in the event of an attack on air defense, there must be a retaliatory strike at the air bases and the question will be closed.

        And who in your opinion should inflict "... a retaliatory strike against air bases ..." - Syria or maybe Russia. In Israel, so for information, in addition to air bases, there are also land units and bases, and what to do with them?
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 14 May 2018 14: 49
          +2
          And who in your opinion should inflict "... a retaliatory strike against air bases ..." - Syria or maybe Russia. In Israel, so for information, in addition to air bases, there are also land units and bases, and what to do with them?

          Well, where will they go? Which way? No aviation. They are "waiting" everywhere ...
          1. credo
            credo 14 May 2018 15: 09
            +3
            Quote: Pax tecum
            And who in your opinion should inflict "... a retaliatory strike against air bases ..." - Syria or maybe Russia. In Israel, so for information, in addition to air bases, there are also land units and bases, and what to do with them?

            Well, where will they go? Which way? No aviation. They are "waiting" everywhere ...

            It's not about where the ground units will go in case of an attack on Israeli air bases, but that for Israel this will mean the beginning of a full-scale war involving the main ally and part of the European countries on their side. So they will support from the air the "peace-loving" Israel in its war with the aggressor. It remains to solve the question of who decides to become the very "aggressor".
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 14 May 2018 22: 12
      +1
      Well, there’s nothing to say on the contrary ... And in general, all this dog barking on the Internet only makes the pros nervous.
    5. Maz
      Maz 16 May 2018 19: 12
      +2
      Damantsev, take a look at the price of oil and calm down.
    6. Maz
      Maz 18 May 2018 20: 56
      +2
      Israel is very substantively considering the purchase of 25 new F-15s in return for the acquisition of a number of previously announced F-35s.
      The choice in favor of the F-15 was made primarily due to the wider capabilities for the combat load carried by the F-15 compared to the F-35
      Who was talking about super-superfluity f -35? Tell it to your government
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 20 May 2018 11: 04
        0
        I haven’t heard about it. We were just arguing very strongly on the next branch about f-35. One of the comrades proved the super-coolness of this airplane precisely by the fact that Jews buy it. It will be necessary to upset him.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 May 2018 06: 05
    +15
    Shooting down rockets is good, but it's expensive. Destroy the media. And that would not be offended, announce loudly and firmly.
    Our missiles cost us more than their trash.
    1. kaschey
      kaschey 14 May 2018 09: 29
      +6
      You think correctly, why chase wasps if you can destroy the nest.
      But unfortunately there is no political will for this, and the mercantile interests of individual gentlemen contradict this, it is very tempting to fish in muddy waters.
      And if we talk about national interests, then you are right.
    2. Artem Popov
      Artem Popov 26 May 2018 18: 25
      -1
      Lebanon, 1982 The giant Syrian air defense group was disabled without losing a single plane. Now, with losses in the civil war, SAA cannot achieve that level of combat readiness and saturation with air defense systems, and rare deliveries from Russia will be knocked out as they arrive (starting in 2014, the process is already underway)
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  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 May 2018 06: 14
    +9
    the use of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system as an instrument of military-political pressure has served excellently in manipulating the Israeli side
    Oh well. Let's hope that this is really so and nothing else. The main thing is that in the end it does not turn out that they were manipulating the Russian side.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 May 2018 08: 49
      +4
      All these HPPs turn out to be a bluff or worse, a defeat in many matters ....
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 May 2018 06: 25
    +7
    But let’s evaluate what is happening not from the bell tower of the courageous cheer patriot, but from the point of view of the Kremlin’s foreign policy pragmatism and strategic thought of the defense department of the Russian Federation, because people who are able to predict the actions of Israel itself dozens of steps forward
    That is, it all depends on the direction of the article? That Medvedev is to blame, then Medvedev thought over everything for years. Oh yes, the article is victorious, but who is responsible for victories in Russia? So can those who are able to predict more and send to the economy?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 May 2018 06: 29
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      Oh yes the article is victorious,

      more often, Damantsev vice versa. then he threw him in the other direction ...
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 14 May 2018 15: 13
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        something threw him in the other direction ...

        Tired of enduring attacks and listening to accusations of alarmism. laughing "Carried" him here repeatedly in discussions. He fought back as best he could, but in the end he “corrected” - even the headlines show. wassat
  6. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 14 May 2018 06: 44
    +11
    D.A. Mendel and B.V.Shelomov will find common views on this issue with the leadership of Israel ... the gene is not a microbe ... you can’t crush it with a finger ...
    1. Zpi
      Zpi 25 May 2018 10: 38
      0
      Exactly...
  7. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 14 May 2018 06: 47
    +8
    And I won’t put a penny in the argument that the "exceptional" (including Israel) will stop supporting their barmaley.
    1. Departure
      Departure 14 May 2018 10: 59
      +1
      Most likely it has long been stopped. It is simply not economically viable. Previously, this was necessary as a counterweight to Assad and Iran + as a participant in a possible redistribution of the Syrian cake.
      Now Israel is fighting directly, the Syrian cake has already been roughly divided, burying money in the barmalei, who will most likely be quickly beaten or in the weapons that they will surrender in the next boiler, makes little sense.
      And in terms of weapons, somewhere there were pictures of a pair of boxes of Israeli ammunition of an outdated standard and that’s all. The rest of the weapons are either Soviet or American.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 20 May 2018 11: 07
        +1
        Do not forget that the Jews "chopped off" the Syrian Golan Heights and are not going to give. Perhaps they had the hope that with the new Syrian government they would be able to resolve this issue finally, of course in their favor.
  8. Merold
    Merold 14 May 2018 06: 53
    +11
    after all, people who are capable of predicting the actions of Israel itself dozens of steps forward lead and direct their activities.

    These people were not able to predict the actions of Turkey even one step forward, which led to the loss of the Su-24 and the death of the pilot.
  9. shinobi
    shinobi 14 May 2018 09: 03
    0
    I think the matter is different. Moscow did not like the fact that the Syrians are not able to protect and correctly use the delivered air defense systems.
    1. Dzungar
      Dzungar 14 May 2018 10: 41
      +6
      Personally, I doubt very much that the Syrians are sitting in Shells and beech trees ....
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 14 May 2018 09: 17
    +9
    As you can see, the use of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system as an instrument of military-political pressure served an excellent role in manipulating the Israeli side, whose ultimate goal is to accelerate the restoration of Syrian sovereignty over the territories occupied by the opposition.
    Stunned conclusion! wassat In my opinion, Israel simply asked Putin not to get in the way, in his showdown with Iran, and here it’s all “manipulation”
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 14 May 2018 10: 13
      +8
      You are probably right. Sometimes I watch the almost Israeli RTVi on the box, so there are few who care about these same hypothetical S-300s in Syria. Unpleasant, but nothing more. But for the second week, they have been vigorously discussing the full-scale invasion of Tzahal in Syria. That is, Syria is considered as a territory for clarifying relations with Iran. Perhaps it was precisely about this that Netanyahu talked with Putin. Interestingly, Putin may well be satisfied with a new player in this Syrian theater. Remember the Qatari gas pipeline project through Syria? So, there is a second similar project. Iranian. And from the same super-giant oil and gas field North / South Pars. Gazprom's interests are above all.
    2. Dzungar
      Dzungar 14 May 2018 10: 40
      +2
      If this is how you say, then neither Shell nor BUK-M "in Syria would exist at all ..... Why would the almighty BBC" give orders "to Putin not to get in the way, if he could give an" instruction "earlier to supply Shells and BUKs in general. Have you seen Netanyahu at the Parade ...? He didn’t look like he came from TsU. But how people who suddenly were honored for him to be there
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 14 May 2018 11: 32
        0
        Quote: Dzungar
        If this is as you say, then neither Shell nor BUK-M "in Syria would exist at all ....
        Probably, for Israeli aircraft, air defense systems of short and medium range are not dangerous, unlike the S-300. And missiles can shoot down as much as they want, they have full bins
        1. Dzungar
          Dzungar 14 May 2018 16: 25
          +2
          The revision of Jewish warehouses themselves was carried out ....? In Europe, the stock of missiles quickly ran out like during a database in Libya. Israel is certainly not Europe, but missiles also cost money, and their supply is not infinite. And for Russia it would be foolish to give the Syrians a great opportunity to practice air defense calculations in repelling massive attacks in modern conditions, and the supply of 30 mm shells is large and the production of not so expensive anti-aircraft missiles ZRPK Shell is well established ....
  11. izja
    izja 14 May 2018 09: 20
    +10
    Again the author’s wet fantasies :)

    What is the point of Russia giving the stupid Arabs new air defense systems if they continue to ruin them carelessly.
    1. farcop
      farcop 14 May 2018 13: 07
      +6
      Quote: izja
      Again the author’s wet fantasies :)
      This is not the author’s wet fantasies, this is a clear and tangible fear of losing the rocket market. Israel has demonstrated that Russia has made conclusions and will not sell the C300 to Syria. And immediately another noodle is hung out. So they live.
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 14 May 2018 21: 38
        +4
        Hey, the overseas marketer. If a builder drops a difficult instrument from DeWALT from the 5th floor, what will happen to him? Will the company lose markets because of this?
        1. farcop
          farcop 15 May 2018 14: 55
          +3
          Quote: TOR2
          If a builder drops a difficult instrument from DeWALT from the 5th floor, what will happen to him? Will the company lose markets because of this?
          If before that "DeWALT" promised that her tool would not break then yes. And that, easy cornering please.
          1. Dzungar
            Dzungar 15 May 2018 17: 07
            +4
            Of the single conclusions, "far-reaching conclusions" are made by just such "overseas marketers" with brain difficulties like you ....
          2. TOR2
            TOR2 16 May 2018 20: 50
            +1
            Quote: farcop
            And that, easy cornering please.

            Increased clearance predisposes to accurate cornering, but no intelligent system is able to protect the car in the presence of a defective gasket between the steering wheel and the eat.
            Quote: farcop
            If before that "DeWALT" promised that her tool would not break then yes.
            Doesn't break when falling from the 5th floor? You yourself thought what you wrote.
            1. farcop
              farcop 16 May 2018 23: 56
              +1
              Quote: TOR2
              You yourself thought what you wrote
              read carefully:
              If before that "DeWALT" promised.
              But she didn’t promise anything and nothing to say. Do you need to decrypt? Do you understand?
          3. Alekhanets
            Alekhanets 24 May 2018 13: 48
            0
            another undefined orientation-forever changing flags
  12. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 14 May 2018 10: 07
    +2
    It seems the author has missed one point and I think not unimportant. 300s were going to be put which were put out of stock (they wrote about it right away), and Buki needs to be done again. And this is a matter of time and price, I think.
  13. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 14 May 2018 10: 08
    +2
    The train of thought of our Moscow Region, thanks to the article, becomes more or less clear! I just did not understand that Rudskoy succeeded Gerasimov?
  14. odometer
    odometer 14 May 2018 10: 29
    0
    Here is such a multi-path what . Well, and item 1. The commander is always right, and for other cases there is clause 2.
  15. Dzungar
    Dzungar 14 May 2018 10: 37
    +2
    Syrians already have BUK-M2 ... Or those who are called Syrians
  16. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 May 2018 11: 21
    +2
    Oh, these are under carpet games, where any defeat can be recognized as victory, and victory as defeat.
  17. Outsider
    Outsider 14 May 2018 11: 30
    +1
    Quote: shinobi
    I think the matter is different. Moscow did not like the fact that the Syrians are not able to protect and correctly use the delivered air defense systems.

    - Yes, it's just "they have the wrong system." Simple-minded guys believe that if you replace the calculations on the Syrian air defense systems with the Russian, then something will change ?!
    But by the way: they all told you that during the epic raid of US missiles on April 14, 2/3 of them were shot down by Syrian air defense - are you not enough ?!

    True, the Americans said that the Syrian air defense did not bring down any KR then - but can they be trusted ?? laughing
  18. akudr48
    akudr48 14 May 2018 11: 34
    +4
    Based on the facts of Israel’s defeat in Syria of our air defense systems (Shell, Buk, S-75, ...), the author managed to prove that by this the Jews only aggravated their already difficult situation, Here Tel Aviv jumped with its eternal bargaining.

    Namely, after the destruction of these air defense systems, it turns out Israel has earned a much more serious headache in the form of intensified shipments of other, many times more dangerous air defense systems

    That is, after the defeat noted, Russia will begin to verbally intensify the supply of more dangerous air defense systems, just like in the colloquial genre, they guaranteed 100% earlier deliveries of S-300 systems to Syria, and let the Jews be afraid ...

    After all, you need to know the measure, even if you have the high skill to prove that black is white, and vice versa.
  19. Outsider
    Outsider 14 May 2018 11: 35
    +2
    Quote: Dzungar
    If this is how you say, then neither Shell nor BUK-M "in Syria would exist at all ..... Why would the almighty BBC" give orders "to Putin not to get in the way, if he could give an" instruction "earlier supply armor and beech in general.

    - When they were given to the Syrians, the Russian side could not imagine how ineffective and vulnerable they really are ... Now they have passed a real test, now everyone knows the true price for them — what they can and what not.
    Have you seen Netanyahu at the Parade ...? He didn’t look like he came from TsU. And as a person whose suddenly they honored him to be there

    - And what, he bowed all the time, ingratiatingly looked into the Most Serene Soul and smiled with emotion ?!
    1. Dzungar
      Dzungar 14 May 2018 16: 34
      +4
      [quote = Outsider] When they were given to the Syrians, the Russian side could not imagine how ineffective and vulnerable they really are ... Now they have passed a real test, now everyone knows the true price - what they can and what not.
      Do not try to look dumber than you are ... In a single case of the defeat of the ZRPK Shell, there is no conclusion about its combat effectiveness. To do this, you need to know the number of missiles fired and shots fired, and targets hit. You don’t have this information, and your attempts to shout out quickly, faster than anyone else, look very stupid, but you can’t imagine a cancer ...? ..... The defeat of the remaining 40-year-old air defense systems is not surprising and does not say about the bad weapons of Russia, since this is a weapon of the USSR, which itself has not been 27 years old ....
  20. NEXUS
    NEXUS 14 May 2018 12: 18
    +5
    Partly, the author is right about the alternative to 300-am SAM Buk. But ... why the author did not mention the TOP-M2 complexes, whose profile is precisely the fight against the Kyrgyz Republic. And there is also an export version of BUK-M3, Viking ...

    At the same time, already in Khmeimim they are on combat duty of C2 Armor, whose range is greater than that of C1 Armor.
    Further, there is also a SAM Bagulnik.
    And all this, coupled with electronic warfare systems, is quite capable of giving the Syrians the opportunity to defend themselves against attacks by Israeli missiles and from American ones.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 May 2018 14: 53
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      Partly, the author is right about the alternative to 300-am SAM Buk. But ... why the author did not mention the TOP-M2 complexes, whose profile is precisely the fight against the Kyrgyz Republic. And there is also an export version of BUK-M3, Viking ...

      As for the "Viking" ... Why are you so petty? "Love" .... so queen! Give C-500! Why there ??! Why do we need the "morally obsolete technology of the 20 century"? Choosing laser blasters! Annihilation disintegrators! Take a walk, herbivores! What? Blasters and annihilators while dumb? What difference is it, nafik ?! All of this is purple-violet! After all, C-350 is dumb! So ... everyone is "crazy"! fellow
      Quote: NEXUS
      now in Hmeimim they are on combat duty of the C2 Shell, whose range is greater than that of the C1 Shell.

      Again you give out wishful thinking! Drawn for purchased! The C2 differs from the C1 in an improved detection and guidance system - this is what is known specifically! Nothing is said about the new zuras, except for the vague phrase: "missile nomenclature has been expanded ..." "Missile" characteristics remain the same: n.d.-20 km ; a.a.-15 km, like the 57E6 zuras ... This only allows us to assume the presence of new zuras such as “anti-aircraft nails” with an 72-80 mm caliber, or missiles with the same data as the 57E6, but, say, with a semi-active radar seeker instead of a radio command ... (I would really like this ...)
      SAM "Tor-M2" and "Buk-M3" are very good, but to send the latest products to the Arabs, who received a "jade rod" can immediately break it and cut your hands? belay fool it would be possible to send Zura 9М331Д and 9М338К to Syria, if there were ready-made 9М100М and based on P-77 with GOS ! But they are not there! Just as there is no “Ledum” ... Stop hovering in the clouds 1
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 May 2018 15: 05
        +3
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        As for the "Viking" ... Why are you so petty?

        Why did the Viking not please you? It was developed just for export. And I can argue with you anything that the Vikings, if not in Syria, will appear there very soon.
        Regarding the S-350 ... I have repeatedly said that the delay in the development and adoption of the Vityazei will come to us. And in the light of recent events, this is exactly what is happening.
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Again you give out wishful thinking! Drawn for purchased! C2 differs from C1 in an improved detection and guidance system - this is what is known specifically! Nothing is said about the new zuras, except for the vague phrase: "missile nomenclature has been expanded ...

        So what? Carapace-C2 is in any case more advanced than Carapace-C1.And what missiles does it use ... well, we must not forget that those missiles that Carapace-SM will use will perfectly suit both Carapace-C1 and C2.
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        SAM "Tor-M2" and "Buk-M3" are very good, but to send the latest products to the Arabs, who received a "jade rod" can immediately break it and cut your hands?

        And with what fright, in these new complexes, should the calculations be Arab, given their poor preparation even for working with already delivered air defense systems?
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 14 May 2018 16: 03
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          SAM "Tor-M2" and "Buk-M3" are very good, but to send the latest products to the Arabs, who received a "jade rod" can immediately break it and cut your hands?
          And with what fright, in these new complexes, should the calculations be Arab, given their poor preparation even for working with already delivered air defense systems?

          Yeah! We’ll remove the Arab anti-aircraft gunners ... pilots ... and then tankmen, artillerymen ... (most importantly, get started!)
          ... Airborne divisions will send ... shock motorized riflemen ... Kantemirov tankers and we will fight directly with Turkey, Israel, and Arabs-warriors in the teahouse tea and coffee clearly and drink cold beer "from under the floor" to drink .... Lepota ! For whom ? Not Seriously This!
          Quote: NEXUS
          the rockets that the Shell-SM will use are perfect for both the Shell-S1 and S2.

          May be !? Although, at 100% it is not "guaranteed" ... (there may be a different combat module on the same construct ...) But for any .... zuras for SM are still being developed, and here is the "way to dinner spoon!" ..


          Quote: NEXUS
          About C-350

          I agree ! Totally!
          Quote: NEXUS
          Why did the Viking not please you?

          And for the "Viking" I apologize! Inattention! Confused with the "Knight"! fool Escho is not used to the export name "Beech ..."! In this case, I agree with you! hi
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 14 May 2018 16: 09
            +1
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            We will remove the Arab anti-aircraft gunners ... pilots ...

            Leave the Arab anti-aircraft gunners and pilots alone. They have something to fight for. I am talking about the grouping of a new type of air defense systems in an amount sufficient to test and test these systems in combat conditions. Nobody will trust the Syrians to control the air defense system of the BUK M3 SAM, for they stupidly do not know how to work with it.
            But this does not mean that our specialists should not continue to train Syrians to work at their existing complexes.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 14 May 2018 16: 31
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              in an amount sufficient to test and test these systems in combat conditions. Nobody will trust the Syrians to control the air defense system of the Buk M3 air defense missile system, since they stupidly do not know how to work with it.

              A very vague explanation! Do you want to test "in combat" and do not touch the Israelis? belay What are these “fighting” conditions? request Shoot down only their missiles? what But this is not a complete abdemacht! No.
              Quote: NEXUS
              Nobody will trust the Syrians to control the air defense system of the Buk M3 air defense missile system, since they stupidly do not know how to work with it.

              And then the export option "Buka" to create? For whom? request For the elite? And where to get them for economic feasibility? request
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 14 May 2018 16: 36
                0
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                And then the export option "Buka" to create? For whom? For the elite? And where to get them for economic feasibility?

                I’m talking specifically about the BUK-M3 air defense system ... as for its export version in the form of a Viking, I don’t see any problems putting Syrians in for them and training them. hi
              2. Alekhanets
                Alekhanets 24 May 2018 14: 15
                +1
                and what's the point of stupid to supply equipment if there is no way to quickly train staff? Yes, just ditch this very technique. I’ll give an example, when several years ago they sent new armor to the Pskov division, but there were no skilled craftsmen to use it, we decided to turn it back, first train the officers in schools so that they could already train soldiers and sergeants and only then return the equipment to troops ... armor will be simpler than air defense systems in technical terms, and there is no war there .... so why was this decision made, and not some other? once again, air defense systems — a complex technical “unit” and personnel training time on it, not a month or 2, ... in Syria there are intense military operations with a constantly changing situation and putting green crews on sophisticated equipment is just 100 % lose this technique ... about image losses I don’t even stutter
          2. sa-ag
            sa-ag 15 May 2018 08: 32
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            For whom ?

            For Gazprom
  21. Outsider
    Outsider 14 May 2018 12: 31
    +8
    Quote: Dzungar
    Have you seen Netanyahu at the Parade ...? He didn’t look like he came from TsU. And as a person whose suddenly they honored him to be there

    - Truth??
    1. Opera
      Opera 14 May 2018 15: 08
      +2
      The pure truth!
    2. Dzungar
      Dzungar 14 May 2018 16: 29
      +2
      He looks like a younger man humbly listening to an older .....
  22. arsen69
    arsen69 14 May 2018 13: 03
    +2
    The unacceptability of the S-300 for Tel Aviv is that the range of this complex allows you to shoot down Israeli aircraft over Israeli territory, and immediately after takeoff, and not just the military. If such a weapon is in the hands of the Syrian "shooters", such a development of events cannot be ruled out. It is clear that for Israel such a prospect of death is similar, and it is unlikely that this is beneficial to Russia. Therefore, the supply of CAA advanced air defense systems, but of a shorter range, can be considered an acceptable solution. By the way, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are already equipped with the Buk M3 with completely crazy characteristics.
  23. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 14 May 2018 13: 29
    +1
    Damantsev completely lowered below the baseboard S-300 and S-400 ....... lol
  24. Outsider
    Outsider 14 May 2018 13: 33
    +3
    Quote: arsen69
    The unacceptability of the S-300 for Tel Aviv is that the range of this complex allows you to shoot down Israeli aircraft over Israeli territory, and immediately after take-off ...

    - How many times do illiterate ignoramuses need to be repeated, that the earth is round! Therefore, it is impossible to shoot down an “airplane immediately after take-off” if it is UNDER the radio horizon. fool lol
  25. Guru
    Guru 14 May 2018 13: 34
    +9
    Full article G, Really nonsense for children.
  26. 1536
    1536 14 May 2018 13: 34
    +1
    Quote: Such a sharp change of position, literally a couple of weeks after the statements by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, as well as Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia Sergey Rudsky (?!) about "lifting from Moscow moral obligations that previously impeded the transfer of C-300 to the Syrian army"

    And with what is the chief of the main operational department combining his position with the post of chief of the General Staff?
  27. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 May 2018 13: 46
    0
    I don’t know about you, but I have a certain feeling of dejavu ... I experienced the same when reading reports with a party-political bias ... do not be surprised ... about the winter Soviet-Finnish war.
    It seems impossible to compare, but from the mass of constantly coinciding small details the anxiety only intensifies.
    It would be possible to experience a certain sense of satisfaction (although this is not quite the right word) if ... if you did not know that after the Finnish there was a domestic war.
    And this feeling of satisfaction, the nascent hope for our own "Red" army - is replaced by anxiety and even confusion.
    Each of us sees the advantages and disadvantages ... and seems to be done a lot to improve the situation.
    And it came on June 22 and it turned out - not BG ...
  28. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 14 May 2018 13: 51
    +3
    No matter how they scolded Damantsev, the “opponents” ... Nevertheless, I agree with him on some issues ... Because. I have previously expressed the opinion that C-300 in Syria will be "not so hot"! Just like Damantsev, I argued that the Buk, Tor-M ..., and Shell shells would be more effective in Syria! Therefore, I express to the author "approvals"! good
  29. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 14 May 2018 13: 52
    +4
    Well, why wonder? Zion "sages" as always in their repertoire .. It would be strange to expect otherwise. Yes, after all, Lenin was right about the Zionists, and Comrade Stalin too ..
  30. trump
    trump 14 May 2018 13: 58
    +3
    "rebel", "warrant" - the author, write your own articles in English - why are you embarrassed? By the way, English is already not so popular
  31. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 14 May 2018 14: 04
    -1
    Quote: NEXUS
    able to give the Syrians the opportunity to defend themselves against attacks by Israeli missiles and from the US.

    capable ... but does not give ...
    We constantly have to listen: now, if THAT stood here, we would show them! And in another place - if THIS was .. then then the enemy would not be inadvertently !!!
    Constantly THAT and THIS are in the wrong place. Something that knocks down cruise missiles for some reason (?) Is attacked by gliding bombs, and “superbly” reflecting bomb attacks — shatters from cruise missiles to smithereens.
    Our adversary is a bum. And eternal!
    Or "grenades" they have the wrong system?
  32. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 14 May 2018 14: 33
    0
    Quote: Outsider
    Therefore, it is impossible to shoot down an “airplane immediately after take-off” if it is UNDER the radio horizon.

    It can and cannot be shot down, but it can be destroyed on the ground (before or during take-off) with ballistic and krillat missiles.
  33. Metlik
    Metlik 14 May 2018 15: 03
    +3
    Israel’s attempts to destroy the anti-terrorist alliance are obvious. Divide and conquer is an old strategy. Statements are constantly being thrown in that Russia needs to fight Iran for influence in Syria. It’s not so important for the Israelis what kind of equipment Russia supplies with SAA, it’s much more important to drive a wedge — to show that Putin is ready to betray the allies for his own benefit. The very fact of separate negotiations behind Syria and Iraq is the achievement of Israel and a mistake, if not the negligence of our government.
  34. Mikhail Anokhin_2
    Mikhail Anokhin_2 14 May 2018 16: 09
    +1
    In-in! Smart ass! "But let's evaluate what is happening not from the bell tower of the couch cheer patriot, but from the point of view of foreign policy pragmatism ..."
    Who told you that the Kremlin and Putin personally are guided by pragmatism?
    Where did you get this?
    This is exactly what should be proved, and not throw as obvious: twice two four!
    How tired of you are the Kremlin sing-alongs !! No mind, no fantasy!
  35. Dzungar
    Dzungar 14 May 2018 16: 27
    0
    Quote: Outsider
    - And what, he bowed all the time, ingratiatingly looked into the Most Serene Soul and smiled with emotion ?!


    A couple of times was enough
  36. Dzungar
    Dzungar 14 May 2018 16: 43
    +3
    Damantsev iksperd still that ......
  37. race
    race 14 May 2018 19: 21
    +1
    The conclusion from the whole situation described above is this: having made serious concessions in terms of supporting the southern opposition “vipers” of Syria in exchange for “freezing” the supplies of S-300PMU-2 systems to Damascus, Israel earned a much more serious headache in the form of intensifying the supplies of others, at times more dangerous means of air defense, as stated by our military-diplomatic source as early as April 25. Among them, our main military masterpiece is Buk-M2E, and there it is not that far to the modular Tor-M2KM, which can be placed on almost any cargo platform ... Here Tel Aviv jumped with its eternal bargaining.

    All of the above is an unconfirmed conjecture and Wishlist of the author, nothing more. The entire article can be described as an attempt to justify the inconsistent policy of the Russian Federation, constantly betraying its allies. The question is, what prevents the Russian Federation from placing the S-300 or S-400 air defense systems under the same Damascus without transferring their SAA, as well as in Latakia? And thereby guarantee the safety of at least the capital. But this does not happen.
    In any case, if Israel’s attacks on Syria continue, it means that there are simply no agreements between Putin and Netanyahu, which the artist colorfully painted here.
  38. Outsider
    Outsider 14 May 2018 19: 25
    0
    Quote: Metlik
    Israel’s attempts to destroy the anti-terrorist alliance are obvious. Divide and conquer is an old strategy. Statements are constantly being thrown in that Russia needs to fight Iran for influence in Syria. It’s not so important for the Israelis what kind of equipment Russia supplies with SAA, it’s much more important to drive a wedge — to show that Putin is ready to betray the allies for his own benefit. The very fact of separate negotiations behind Syria and Iraq is the achievement of Israel and a mistake, if not the negligence of our government.

    - Indeed, there is historical experience: Stalin concluded a pact with Hitler (which they bashfully continue to call the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact"), - who prevents the conclusion of such a pact with Iran ?!
    Hitler called for the extermination of all Jews — Iran openly calls for the destruction of Israel.
    Tell the Most Holy One to conclude such a pact as soon as possible?
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 14 May 2018 20: 12
      +3
      In my memory, the destruction of many states - Yugoslavia, East Germany, the USSR - their disappearance on the conscience of the United States. Does this mean that Bush must be equated with Hitler? Perhaps Israel will suffer the same fate. But not Iran will be the reason for this, but Israel’s unwillingness to recognize any rights other than the right of power.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 8 July 2018 15: 17
        0
        ... the hell over there - big and dirty - the Jews are indestructible - they have been trying to destroy them for many thousands of years and they .. though that ... the pharaohs mustache she died out, and they are like * four cockroaches and a cricket * ..
    2. Dzungar
      Dzungar 15 May 2018 17: 10
      +2
      For those who are especially smart, one can cite the fact that similar "pacts" were concluded with Hitler BEFORE almost ALL European countries. The Molotov-Ribentrop Pact was concluded the last of all .... Hitler could not call to kill ALL Jews, since he served 150 thousand Jews. That you too for some reason do not know. Or try not to remember
    3. SEER
      SEER 22 May 2018 23: 41
      0
      Quote: Outsider
      - Indeed, there is a historical experience: Stalin concluded a pact with Hitler (which they bashfully continue to call the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact")

      oh, how cool I jerked, radish.
      to remind again that before the USSR and Hitler Germany, similar pacts were concluded by all at least something significant European countries? and the first England in 34. Are they not bashful? All the case, huh?
      answer the radish, KNEW? so kogogo ... shadow on the wattle fence, radish
      Quote: Outsider
      Tell the Most Holy One to conclude such a pact as soon as possible?
      close ... offer your bene - he will agree.
      I am waiting for an answer to my question above
  39. Outsider
    Outsider 14 May 2018 19: 30
    +1
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Quote: Outsider
    Therefore, it is impossible to shoot down an “airplane immediately after take-off” if it is UNDER the radio horizon.

    It can and cannot be shot down, but it can be destroyed on the ground (before or during take-off) with ballistic and krillat missiles.

    - Bulgarian anti-Semite, is some kind of new kind of Bulgarians ...
    1. Dzungar
      Dzungar 15 May 2018 17: 14
      +3
      Anti-Semites are everywhere ... But they are not to blame
  40. NordOst16
    NordOst16 14 May 2018 20: 09
    +2
    This is all cool except for one thing - it will all be expensive targets for Israeli aviation until a sufficient number of aircraft and cruise / ballistic missiles are delivered to Syrian armaments to destroy airfields and air defense systems / about Israel. Without all this, air defense systems are practically defenseless against aviation because only aviation can deal effectively with aviation. Fortunately, the examples of the breakthrough of the Kyrgyz Republic before her in Syria and the recent destruction of the Shell are only proof of this.
    Well, it’s time for us to call Syria an ally for allies are not left to be torn to pieces by enemies. Shame for a country that considers itself a great power, for there are examples of Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, where the West really faced retaliatory actions worthy of a great power, and what’s happening now, laughter through tears and that’s all.
  41. SHAH
    SHAH 14 May 2018 21: 10
    +1
    Kremlin "foresight" or couch pragmatism, but the authorities play along with Israel according to the raven principle
    the crow will not peck the eye. And ultimately it will be [i] [/ i] detrimental to Russia's real interests.
  42. steelmaker
    steelmaker 14 May 2018 22: 05
    +1
    You can justify anything! And in order not to make excuses, you need to shuffle less, and think more about what will happen later.
  43. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 14 May 2018 22: 10
    +1
    This whole story is exclusively about Iran. Contrary to what the Russian patriots believe, he does not at all seek alliance with Russia. In Syria, they were even before Russia, and they have their own goals there, which are unacceptable to Israel.
    Iran will enter into closer relations with Russia only if it weakens, which is what Natanyahu is doing now. The only contradiction between Putin and the Israeli prime minister is in relation to Assad, but it seems Putin has pushed his position, Israel will not attack the Syrians if they do not cover those Iranians who want to stay in Syria forever
  44. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 14 May 2018 22: 29
    +1
    Eugene, I really ask you, but you can more concisely and not spread your thoughts on the tree,
  45. TOR2
    TOR2 14 May 2018 22: 43
    +1
    The author discusses the organization of the Syrian air defense system. What is there to argue, take the last sensational case with the “Shell”. Was this air defense system part of the echelon? Good in the band? And if it were, then the result was different. Near the line of contact with the "virtues", electronic reconnaissance was carried out - again an ambush. If there is only one left and 0 lights are shining around, go down into the greenhouse, and so that the dust from under the hooves will fly and the higher the greenhouse the better. No green stuff, look for any shelter that impedes the visual detection of the complex.
    And what instead? What respect and trust warriors who deserted their weapons deserve
    And now, if something needs to be done, it is to paralyze the operation of the UAV and other reconnaissance systems near the line of contact.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 16 May 2018 17: 18
      0
      The article is not about Syria.
  46. Dart
    Dart 14 May 2018 23: 14
    +1
    An article is all the author’s fabrications. In fact, we have what we have .....
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 16 May 2018 17: 19
      +1
      Yes, we have a very fat fifth point.
  47. Outsider
    Outsider 15 May 2018 00: 30
    +2
    Quote: Alexey-74
    Damantsev completely lowered below the baseboard S-300 and S-400 ....... lol

    - If the S-400 is quietly sold to anyone without getting hit, then what is there to “lower it”?
  48. Boris Ustyuzhanin
    Boris Ustyuzhanin 15 May 2018 00: 43
    +2
    Thank you, good article, a lot of clarification.
    But, I would like to draw the attention of the author to some terms.
    According to the laws of the Russian language, "height" cannot be "low." Therefore, the term "low-altitude" is of the type "cold-hot," which, of course, happens, but not so often. Height cannot be high. It can be either large or small. Or just something can be low, for example a flight path: a low path, a high path. And if the rocket flies at some height, then only at "high altitude" or at "low altitude". Then the target from a wonderful "low altitude" turns into a normal "low altitude". Crooked, of course, but it’s alright for a technical text.
    After all, the Tomahoki fly at a “low altitude with an envelope of terrain folds” or along a low-altitude trajectory with an envelope ... hereinafter.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 16 May 2018 17: 17
      +1
      Boris! The height can be two points from the pot. Do not confuse the people, please.
  49. Vdi73
    Vdi73 15 May 2018 01: 57
    0
    To put it mildly, a Jew ... Russian Vanka, once again. Argentina -Jamaica 5-0 I'm not a fascist and I respect Jews, the smartest people, but damn they do everything for themselves, Uncle Vova wake up, is it enough to play with Israel or are you paying your pension there? Thank you for your support in relation to May 9th, and then as US allies on the head and it hurts ...
  50. Mechanikistanka
    Mechanikistanka 15 May 2018 04: 50
    +2
    A very strange article. It looks like a desire to at least somehow explain things incomprehensible to the author. The visit of the Israeli president was planned long ago and it is clear that he had nothing to do with the Syrian events. Attempts to pull an owl on the globe can be logical from one side, they look ridiculously objective. Solving the problem with Iran or Israel alone is tantamount to concluding a separate peace between the BSSR and Bavaria in 1941 ... And there are always two opinions: Russia all bent or all bent Russia. What is the work of the Foreign Ministry and diplomacy, no one suspects. Naturally, any president must personally meet and "decide"! There are no other ways. It is surprising, from the point of view of such "tearing covers", why the round of presidents does not hang around in Moscow continuously, and the Kremlin does not stamp statements about the delivery of air defense systems to all countries of the world ?!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 16 May 2018 17: 16
      0
      Pull the owl on .... just you, Alex.