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What does the photo of the Shell in Syria tell about?

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Photos of the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex, which belonged to the Syrian government army, appeared on the web. This is the ZRPK, which was located at the Mezze military base near Damascus.


Recall that on video frames, which were previously published in the Israeli Defense Ministry, it was clear that the defeat was carried out from the air. Initially, it was possible to assume that the ZRPK was not in a state of alert. In fact, this information is confirmed.

Arab sources citing Syrian troops say that the attack was carried out using drones. It is stated that we are talking about a kamikaze UAV armed with explosive ordnance.

What does the photo of the Shell in Syria tell about?


The photo clearly shows that all ZRPK missiles are shot out (carbon deposits on the pipes), the radar is not in the active position, the hydraulic stand is raised (it is lowered when it is being made for shooting and stabilizes the position of the machine).

Thus, one of the assumptions is confirmed: the attack on the Pantsir-С1 was carried out after it became clear that he had shot his own ammunition. He had nothing to repel the attack. In all likelihood, the CAA soldiers raised the rack to go to recharge. At this point, the Israeli military and carried out an attack ZRPK, waiting for the right moment.



At the same time, as can be seen from the photo, the entire car was not destroyed by an explosion: the cab and the front wheels of the chassis were severely damaged. The power of the explosion was not sufficient to completely destroy the complex. It can be assumed that the launcher itself must be restored if it received any damage.

Earlier it was reported that as a result of the attack on the "Shell-C1", an officer of the CAA, Lieutenant Ali Mustafa, was killed. It was he who started to run to the ZRPK cab several seconds before the strike.
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    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 12 May 2018 07: 36
      +87
      Impunity is the basis of permissiveness, however.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 13
        +44
        As I said yesterday, the explosive in the spike is clearly not enough to destroy the shell, so it will be repaired. By the way, why no one but me asked this question? That the rocket is weak ...
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 12 May 2018 08: 25
          +10
          Quote: Muvka
          As I said yesterday, the explosive in the spike is clearly not enough to destroy the shell, so it will be repaired. By the way, why no one but me asked this question? That the rocket is weak ...


          And why do you think this is Spike? I have more confidence in the video and the destruction scheme. that it is Harop or its possible derivatives ...
          1. kipod
            kipod 12 May 2018 08: 28
            +17
            Quote: ZVO
            Quote: Muvka
            As I said yesterday, the explosive in the spike is clearly not enough to destroy the shell, so it will be repaired. By the way, why no one but me asked this question? That the rocket is weak ...


            And why do you think this is Spike? I have more confidence in the video and the destruction scheme. that it is Harop or its possible derivatives ...

            And why is everyone sure that the photo shows exactly the Shell hit by the rocket?
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 36
              +38
              Because your MO gave the video. And judging by where the rocket flew in the video, this is exactly that Shell.
              1. kipod
                kipod 12 May 2018 08: 41
                +5
                Quote: Muvka
                Because your MO gave the video. And judging by where the rocket flew in the video, this is exactly that Shell.

                What are you talking laughing
                That one, and how did you define it?
                What did you see on the video so specific - that you can unambiguously identify that it is that shell?
                1. Muvka
                  Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 43
                  +41
                  Well, at least his pipes look back. The radar is in the same position. There was no other evidence regarding other machines from your MO, so yes - it is he.
                  1. kipod
                    kipod 12 May 2018 08: 44
                    +7
                    Quote: Muvka
                    Well, at least his pipes look back. The radar is in the same position.

                    Serious evidence. laughing
                    1. Muvka
                      Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 47
                      +68
                      Well, at least this proof is somewhat more convincing than simple words, generally without any evidence that several shells were destroyed. Although not even more convincing, but the PPC as convincing.
                      1. krot
                        krot 12 May 2018 10: 35
                        +46
                        I don’t understand why the comrade from Israel is happy? ) Or became infected with rabies from an independent? They also carry nonsense and enjoy the "bread crumbs." Or, too, the Israeli army became the strongest on the continent after that?)) Shares the first place with Ukraine)
                      2. A good one
                        A good one 12 May 2018 10: 53
                        +12
                        Quote: Muvka
                        Well, at least this proof is somewhat more convincing than simple words, generally without any evidence that several shells were destroyed. Although not even more convincing, but the PPC as convincing.

                        Okay, this hedgehog didn’t say how many spikes on me they shot down the Shell. smile
                      3. Shurik70
                        Shurik70 12 May 2018 17: 54
                        +10
                        During the massive NATO strike on Syria, it was the "Shell-C1" that showed the most effective firing in relation to the number of missiles fired and downed targets. So from a tactical point of view, it is the “zerg rush” that is the most effective way to destroy the Shell. So the Jews did - they hit after the ammunition was shot.
                        For the crews of the Carapace - another conclusion. In a combat situation, always keep full ammunition. Shot a couple of missiles - immediately charge the empty pipes, do not be lazy, do not wait when you shoot everything.
                    2. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 12 May 2018 11: 31
                      +5
                      You were so critical of the statement of the United States Department of Defense and the United States. And then I see, but here I do not see.
                    3. Dead duck
                      Dead duck 12 May 2018 11: 42
                      +10
                      Quote: kipod
                      Serious evidence.

                      Taki, you yourself a priori declare that the wrong photo request
                      Do not like it - prove it!
                    4. Stiletto_711
                      Stiletto_711 12 May 2018 13: 11
                      +23
                      Quote: kipod
                      Serious evidence.

                      Well, bleating about the division destroyed BM "Shell" is not much. I’ll declare with the same success that 8 Israeli aircraft were destroyed during a raid fellow Even the names of some of the dead pilots are known - these are Aron, Sharon and Sauron laughing
                    5. gurzuf
                      gurzuf 12 May 2018 13: 54
                      +5
                      Are you sure that you hit the Shell, and not rubber products? hi
                    6. igorka357
                      igorka357 12 May 2018 14: 25
                      +4
                      And about the fact that there is no other evidence from your mines of defense, you decided to keep quiet modestly, that’s all your duplicity! That’s all about the Syrian Shell, they gave the video .. we agree! Where is the destruction of the other, as you say?
                    7. Vkd dvk
                      Vkd dvk 12 May 2018 20: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: kipod
                      Quote: Muvka
                      Well, at least his pipes look back. The radar is in the same position.

                      Serious evidence. laughing

                      The proof, even if it is extremely weak, is refuted by another proof, and stronger.
                      No need to behave like a capricious young lady in front of the bed.
                  2. Dissensio
                    Dissensio 12 May 2018 15: 21
                    +8
                    Most likely, the photo is not related to the destroyed Shell.
                    1. In an Israeli video, if you set the speed to 0,25, you can see that the ends of the pipes are white.
                    2. The video does not correspond to the attack of the drone - this is precisely a missile strike. Damage to the Shell in the photo does not correspond to the hit of a rocket.
                    3. No links to the source of this photo are provided. Where does it come from, when and by whom? Most likely, they took the first one.

                    An interesting fact - the video shows that shortly before the strike, one of the soldiers begins to run to the Shell. A normal reaction is to run the other way :) But he would not be physically able to see (hear) the drone or the rocket. Most likely he saw plane - and ran to the Shell. Meanwhile, the plane had already launched a missile, which hit the Shell, along with an alert military.
                    1. Shahno
                      Shahno 12 May 2018 15: 30
                      +5
                      Yes, there are many inconsistencies here ..... And the first, where the fragments of Harop, or Haropov. Not? No defense ..... And that means the last wave, 5 I ..... In this section, all the signs of a breakthrough to Damascus. Well, as an option, this is a lost UAV accidentally stumbled upon a cart in which Arabs smoked ....
                      1. the lord
                        the lord 13 May 2018 03: 59
                        +1
                        Or you again in vain and prematurely rejoiced and it's time to prepare the skis for the winter to a long run abroad))))
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                    2. mihai_md2003
                      mihai_md2003 13 May 2018 13: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Dissensio
                      that the ends of the pipes are white.

                      Isn't shooting thermal imaging? at the time of destruction?
                    3. kerosene
                      kerosene 13 May 2018 13: 06
                      +3
                      Scarecrow is illiterate. The ends of the launch tubes are white, because the video from the TELOVISION MATRIX GOS Rocket, and the ends of the tubes are heated by the torch of the departed missiles.
                      1. kipod
                        kipod 13 May 2018 13: 17
                        0
                        Quote: kerosene
                        Scarecrow is illiterate. The ends of the launch tubes are white, because the video from the TELOVISION MATRIX GOS Rocket and the ends of the pipes are heated by a torch that escaped the cancerso


                        but in theory (if shot) should be dark (on the thermal imager)
                    4. NG inform
                      NG inform 13 May 2018 23: 53
                      +1
                      The Israeli video was not made in the visible range, so the color of the pipes there does not show anything. Most likely only the temperature.
                      What’s missile there is also not very clear, wagging is uncharacteristic for her.
                      The absence of a link does not mean anything.
                2. Misha Bushmanov
                  Misha Bushmanov 16 May 2018 19: 05
                  +1
                  And why did you decide that this is not that Shell? So many shells have been blown up in us that you just upload photos?
            2. Grandfather Makar
              Grandfather Makar 12 May 2018 08: 44
              +21
              Quote: kipod
              And why is everyone sure that the photo shows exactly the Shell hit by the rocket?

              Because your brother somehow does not enthusiastically and earnestly comment on all of this .. You know that Akilla missed! And the Syrians do not hold the sky bad .. bully
              1. kipod
                kipod 12 May 2018 08: 47
                +12
                Quote: Ded-Makar
                Quote: kipod
                And why is everyone sure that the photo shows exactly the Shell hit by the rocket?

                Because your brother somehow does not enthusiastically and earnestly comment on all of this .. You know that Akilla missed! And the Syrians do not hold the sky bad .. bully

                Well done Syrians - good luck in the next holding of the sky laughing
                1. sergo1914
                  sergo1914 12 May 2018 08: 56
                  +22
                  Quote: kipod
                  Quote: Ded-Makar
                  Quote: kipod
                  And why is everyone sure that the photo shows exactly the Shell hit by the rocket?

                  Because your brother somehow does not enthusiastically and earnestly comment on all of this .. You know that Akilla missed! And the Syrians do not hold the sky bad .. bully

                  Well done Syrians - good luck in the next holding of the sky laughing


                  I can not wish the same in shooting unarmed.
                2. figwam
                  figwam 12 May 2018 09: 46
                  +44
                  Quote: kipod
                  Well done Syrians - good luck in the next holding of the sky

                  In general, if you calculate that more than a hundred American and Israeli missiles have already covered up the Shell, damage to one unit in an idle state, and it turns out just a Kamaz truck, looks ridiculous.
                3. farcop
                  farcop 12 May 2018 11: 36
                  +4
                  Quote: kipod
                  good luck in the next holding
                  or incontinence
                4. Grandfather Makar
                  Grandfather Makar 12 May 2018 12: 04
                  +17
                  Quote: kipod
                  Well done Syrians - good luck in the next holding of the sky

                  And you take off, without landing .. Boast someday .. I smell it!
                5. Bogranz
                  Bogranz 12 May 2018 12: 56
                  +3
                  The Lord heard you, lad ...
              2. Victor jnnjdfy
                Victor jnnjdfy 12 May 2018 15: 00
                +10
                For the Arab Army, Syrians are good at keeping the sky. The "Shell-C1" also has guns. The calculation relaxed ... And they got the Israeli "hotel". Jews in military affairs are better than Arabs. True, it would be interesting to see how many Jews would be enough if some Vietnamese were in place of the Arabs ...
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 12 May 2018 15: 04
                  +2
                  Why look, you think our approach has changed since the Yom Kippur War .....
                  1. Vkd dvk
                    Vkd dvk 12 May 2018 20: 56
                    +4
                    Quote: Shahno
                    Why look, you think our approach has changed since the Yom Kippur War .....

                    Look at how your fellow tribesmen will behave, be a different enemy in front of them. If you survive.
                  2. the lord
                    the lord 13 May 2018 04: 02
                    0
                    We just sincerely hope that nothing new has happened and everything is out of date)))))
                  3. Mavr-85
                    Mavr-85 15 May 2018 04: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: Shahno
                    Why look, you think our approach has changed since the Yom Kippur War .....

                    Therefore, if you drip, the attitude towards you has not changed, just say it or not.
                2. tun5t
                  tun5t 12 May 2018 19: 42
                  +2
                  Israelis in Vietnam are afraid to rest, and to fight Duc pindets them
                3. Korb
                  Korb 14 May 2018 00: 36
                  0
                  Well, if all the rockets were shot, the guns could be empty.
              3. real israeli
                real israeli 12 May 2018 17: 29
                +3
                Perhaps they hold it when they urinate, but with the sky, to put it mildly, not really!




            3. figwam
              figwam 12 May 2018 09: 23
              +15
              Quote: kipod
              And why is everyone sure that the photo shows exactly the Shell hit by the rocket?

              Well, if you approach this question this way, then why did you get the idea that the “Shell” was destroyed, and not an inflatable false target?
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 12 May 2018 09: 26
                +5
                Since the adversary showed it exactly as damaged in the confirmation video ....
            4. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 12 May 2018 09: 39
              +13
              Quote: kipod
              And why is everyone sure that the photo shows exactly the Shell hit by the rocket?

              Yeah ....... You want to say that ten "Shells" per day are destroyed?
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                1. faridg7
                  faridg7 12 May 2018 12: 22
                  +21
                  Quote: Doronkabilio
                  Okko, about subhuman people this is a purely fascist term, Uncle Adolf would be pleased with you

                  Avon, how are you sure in your uncle, family ties are a strong affair
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                3. lesnik1978
                  lesnik1978 12 May 2018 13: 05
                  +5
                  so he is of Jewish nationality, which for some reason everyone is modestly silent.
                4. gurzuf
                  gurzuf 12 May 2018 14: 00
                  +3
                  And that among your nation there were no active assistants to Uncle Adolf?
                5. Beltasir matyagu
                  Beltasir matyagu 12 May 2018 14: 11
                  +15
                  According to verified data, Israel treats the wounded isils in hospitals and releases them back. So your Adolf is proud of you.
                6. vasya.pupkin
                  vasya.pupkin 12 May 2018 15: 15
                  +7
                  Quote: Doronkabilio
                  Okko, about subhuman people this is a purely fascist term, Uncle Adolf would be pleased with you

                  Honor your beloved Talmud, where all the "non-Jews" are called "goyim", which are prescribed to destroy! What are you doing.
                  Aloizovich was a good student of the Jews.
                7. Bratkov Oleg
                  Bratkov Oleg 12 May 2018 18: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: Doronkabilio
                  Okko, about subhuman people this is a purely fascist term, Uncle Adolf would be pleased with you

                  The Jews themselves are racist, and there will be no rest for them until Palestine receives its land back.
              2. alaarsen
                alaarsen 12 May 2018 12: 02
                +12
                I support at 100 percent! Well, nothing, let them spit salute and rejoice at the destroyed Shell - the plan is to overthrow the hated Assad and Syria’s tearing apart successfully)) what remains now? Quietly pinching from around the corner, previously contacting Russia .. no matter what happens))) (
              3. figwam
                figwam 12 May 2018 12: 08
                +4
                okko077

                Yes, I agree, Israel, the FSA and a number of other neighboring countries are conducting their global affairs, in the form of redistribution of spheres of influence in the Middle East with the help of terrorists and destruction in order to rob Syria and Iran.
              4. timothy61
                timothy61 12 May 2018 14: 40
                +2
                Honestly and correctly about Israel.
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            6. Sergerius
              Sergerius 12 May 2018 13: 16
              +4
              and what do you want to say that you have flunked hundreds of armor? the anus will not crack?
            7. lekalpan
              lekalpan 12 May 2018 14: 35
              +2
              And what looks more like a concrete mixer based on Kamaz?
          2. Muvka
            Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 38
            +3
            Well let Harop. The difference is zero. Both this and that explosive are very few. True, the accuracy is not very. Or the operator is not very, just got into the cab)
            1. kipod
              kipod 12 May 2018 08: 42
              +11
              Quote: Muvka
              Well let Harop. The difference is zero. Both this and that explosive are very few. True, the accuracy is not very. Or the operator is not very, just got into the cab)

              So actually the charon was enough to destroy the tank (remember, probably use in Karabakh) - and in Syria - it didn’t even damage the cab. Your deeds are wonderful
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 12 May 2018 09: 28
                +3
                Yes, it’s strange somehow ..... And on the thermal imager it doesn’t seem like everyone has been shot recently, but here the whole type of ammunition is used up.
                1. Mestny
                  Mestny 12 May 2018 11: 42
                  +7
                  And why should someone believe your "thermal imager"?
                  I can build such a picture in a couple of hours - you can’t tell it from the real one.
                2. gurzuf
                  gurzuf 12 May 2018 14: 02
                  +1
                  You that measured a stopwatch when he used up the BC?
              2. Dead duck
                Dead duck 12 May 2018 11: 53
                +4
                Quote: kipod
                So actually the charon was enough to destroy the tank (remember, probably use in Karabakh) - and in Syria - it didn’t even damage the cab.

                apparently there was something to explode (in the tank) ...
                and "not damaged" - to say the least.
            2. ZVO
              ZVO 12 May 2018 08: 44
              +12
              Quote: Muvka
              Well let Harop. The difference is zero. Both this and that explosive are very few. True, the accuracy is not very. Or the operator is not very, just got into the cab)


              Everything is fine with the operator.
              The mouse is withdrawn from combat.
              At best, she will have a lengthy repair, but in fact, when I see the Carapace live and understand its layout, I think. that it’s easier to write off to “total”.
              1. Muvka
                Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 45
                +4
                Quote: ZVO
                Quote: Muvka
                Well let Harop. The difference is zero. Both this and that explosive are very few. True, the accuracy is not very. Or the operator is not very, just got into the cab)


                Everything is fine with the operator.
                The mouse is withdrawn from combat.
                At best, she will have a lengthy repair, but in fact, when I see the Carapace live and understand its layout, I think. that it’s easier to write off to “total”.

                In this case, car repair is a replacement for the chassis, engine and cab. This is orders of magnitude less than the cost of a rocket or UAV. And this is not normal. And in time it is not very long. If there is a tap)
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 12 May 2018 08: 56
                  +23
                  Quote: Muvka

                  In this case, car repair is a replacement for the chassis, engine and cab. This is orders of magnitude less than the cost of a rocket or UAV. And this is not normal. And in time it is not very long. If there is a tap)


                  Angle of view photo taken from the opposite side from the place of impact of the UAV.

                  If you watch the video carefully carefully, then the main blow fell on the location of the fighting compartment. Those. in a combat situation - this is a 100% failure of equipment.
                  Destroyed power components avionics.
                  And yes. in the photo I don’t see at all the very same module of the location of the Battle crew.
                  His "blown away" ???

                  On Total .... Definitely.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 12 May 2018 08: 58
                  +5
                  They would have shown the photo from the side of the explosion, then it would have been more clearly.
        2. Merold
          Merold 12 May 2018 08: 38
          +13
          Quote: Muvka
          By the way, why no one but me asked this question? That the rocket is weak ...

          Because you are the smartest. It is obvious.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 44
            +7
            What does it have to do with it? Smart and judicious are a few different things. But I really did not see on the forum, not on the Internet, the assumption that the explosion is weak ...
            1. Merold
              Merold 12 May 2018 08: 46
              +2
              Quote: Muvka
              What does it have to do with it? Smart and judicious are a few different things. But I really did not see on the forum, not on the Internet, the assumption that the explosion is weak ...

              Weak for what? What kind of damage did the "Shell" get?
              1. Muvka
                Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 52
                +2
                Weak for destruction. I see that the cab was badly damaged, but the installation itself looks normal. But you yourself understand that in a spike there is little explosive for such a large object. Is not it so? Especially when entering the cab ...
                1. Merold
                  Merold 12 May 2018 09: 13
                  +7
                  Quote: Muvka
                  Weak for destruction. I see that the cab was badly damaged, but the installation itself looks normal. But you yourself understand that in a spike there is little explosive for such a large object. Is not it so? Especially when entering the cab ...

                  Here, too, the back of the car "looks normal." We decided not to restore.

                  And so yes, for dispersion into atoms, Spike is rather weak.
                  1. Muvka
                    Muvka 12 May 2018 09: 27
                    +4
                    So, for reference. Here the most expensive part of the car is the car itself. And in the Shell, 90% of the cost, if not more, is a combat module. So the comparison is inappropriate.
                    1. Merold
                      Merold 12 May 2018 09: 33
                      +4
                      Quote: Muvka
                      So, for reference. Here the most expensive part of the car is the car itself. And in the Shell, 90% of the cost, if not more, is a combat module. So the comparison is inappropriate.

                      Those. your "expert opinion" that the installation itself "looks normal" is appropriate? And if the launch containers “led” from the explosion / temperature and they are unsuitable for further use and recovery?
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 12 May 2018 12: 11
                        +4
                        The containers are interchangeable. But in general, yes, to guess from a photograph whether it is suitable for recovery is stupid.
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 12 May 2018 10: 08
                      +5
                      We can already say for sure that all electronics and radar are no longer suitable and their restoration is doubtful, since the shock wave from the explosion passed through all the electronics, drives, housings and everything else - everything is displaced and damaged.
                      1. RomanS
                        RomanS 12 May 2018 11: 58
                        +6
                        What an interesting physics!
                        the shock wave from the explosion went through all the electronics, drives, housings and everything else
                        I would like to add that I burned all the bulbs, drank all the water and smoked all that was left. Incorrectly formulated thoughts expose their source as an amateur.
                  2. Dead duck
                    Dead duck 12 May 2018 11: 56
                    +3
                    Quote: Merold
                    We decided not to restore.

                    is this insurance so decided? ... for the sake of ...
                    restore and sell (and put in your pocket) laughing
                    1. Merold
                      Merold 12 May 2018 12: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: Deadush
                      Quote: Merold
                      We decided not to restore.

                      is this insurance so decided? ... for the sake of ...
                      restore and sell (and put in your pocket) laughing

                      Well actually yes. You can "restore" it in the same way and send it to the database and the Shell. Do you want that?
                      1. Dead duck
                        Dead duck 12 May 2018 12: 58
                        +6
                        Quote: Merold
                        Do you want that?

                        No, I don’t want anything at all.
                        The sun warmed up, lepotaaaa.
                        Although no, I want world peace yes
                        and ice cream winked
                2. SSR
                  SSR 12 May 2018 10: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: Muvka
                  But you yourself understand that in a spike there is little explosive for such a large object. Is not it so?

                  No.
                  The imha in the shell was not a "land mine" but a charge that should burn through tank armor. There is probably another half meter hole in the asphalt.
                  1. Grits
                    Grits 12 May 2018 11: 29
                    +4
                    The fact that the warhead in Spike is not enough does not give the weather. There is a fact - the machine cannot be restored (the combat module is not a row crop tractor, you just can’t restore it). SAA lost a full-fledged combat unit. Jews can rejoice.
                    1. Muvka
                      Muvka 12 May 2018 12: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: Gritsa
                      The fact that the warhead in Spike is not enough does not give the weather. There is a fact - the machine cannot be restored (the combat module is not a row crop tractor, you just can’t restore it). SAA lost a full-fledged combat unit. Jews can rejoice.

                      Where does this fact come from? Did I miss something. Have you examined already and made an expert opinion? Or another couch expert analyst?
                3. farcop
                  farcop 12 May 2018 11: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Muvka
                  Weak for destruction
                  And what about annihilation of treba? Disabled, now repair, spare parts, officers to raise, and guess at whose expense? Well, a country with so many centenarians is possible.
                4. tforik
                  tforik 12 May 2018 12: 00
                  +2
                  Even if it is advisable to restore, - who in Syria will do this? Here we need qualified engineers from the factory ...
                  1. Muvka
                    Muvka 12 May 2018 12: 14
                    0
                    Sent to Russia. If the combat module and radars are intact - restoration is quite appropriate and relatively inexpensive.
        3. Grandfather Luka
          Grandfather Luka 12 May 2018 10: 44
          +1
          [/ quote] [quote = Muvka] As I said yesterday, BB in the spike is clearly not enough to destroy the shell, so it will be repaired. By the way, why no one but me asked this question? That the rocket is weak ...
          It never occurred to anyone else. You are probably the smartest. hi lol
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 12 May 2018 10: 52
            +3
            Spike I already wondered yesterday. What are the means of delivery? The blow was struck 30 km from the border. A turntable or combat vehicle was supposed to penetrate Syrian territory at 10 km (and the whole operation was to take 20 mines). Photo of armor under the mezza is not a spike job. Harop or dalla is possible, but these warheads are much more serious, especially if the UAV was used as a kamikakadze ....
        4. Corporal Pupkin
          Corporal Pupkin 12 May 2018 11: 00
          +2
          "fix it"?! wassat
          Well, something, probably, can be used (after the explosion) as a ZIP ...
          1. loki565
            loki565 12 May 2018 12: 42
            0
            So it’s also modular, spread to the Syrian cart, they’ll put a new command post into battle))) But seriously, you need to look how damaged the radar, power plant, etc.
            1. sabotage
              sabotage 12 May 2018 13: 27
              +3
              Specialists who are tasked with this will dream of shaking the throat of the director.
        5. alexmach
          alexmach 12 May 2018 12: 08
          +2
          By the way, why no one but me asked this question? That the rocket is weak ...

          And what does it matter? The carapace was disabled and for a long time, if not forever, the lieutenant died. In my opinion, it follows that there are just enough centuries there. And whether or not it will be repaired once there is already the tenth question.
        6. nafanal
          nafanal 12 May 2018 12: 12
          +1
          Spike isn’t that weak at all. In Vietnam, it destroyed installations along with calculations
        7. loki565
          loki565 12 May 2018 12: 37
          +2
          False targets in the form of inflatable mock-ups (which we had so maliciously chuckled at) with such a resolution of cameras can not make out anything, and there is no time. So if there were two three inflatable mockups nearby, the real one had a chance of survival ...
        8. Ivan Tarava
          Ivan Tarava 12 May 2018 12: 51
          +5
          And who will fix the officer?
          1. the lord
            the lord 13 May 2018 04: 15
            0
            And in the east, this resource is quickly replaced. There is no shortage of military personnel.
        9. Yarhann
          Yarhann 13 May 2018 17: 51
          -1
          This is most likely Kr Dalila (UAV) or there is another UAV there similar in size and range. The spike has a very short range. Although it’s possible they worked from a helicopter, but they have Apaches, and there it’s kind of like helpers and kind of without TV
      2. tchoni
        tchoni 12 May 2018 08: 19
        +3
        I would say: "sloppiness is the basis of the joint."
        Nadeyus will draw conclusions from the incident. Moreover, both organizational and structural hi
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 May 2018 09: 13
          +11
          Conclusions, conclusions, they will probably make .... although it was necessary to draw them then, sales can not presume to guess when!
          The Israelis have a systematic, well-planned approach to their gang activities! Good intelligence, high-tech, and cockroaches of spies / traitors in Syria and where it runs immensely!
          This can be opposed either by organized counterintelligence and other anti-measures, which is certainly expensive and difficult .... or an immense rapppp-s-guild, which is cheap, easy and the enemy’s balls can roll for rollers!
          I don’t know other methods ... can anyone suggest another?
          1. perm23
            perm23 12 May 2018 09: 30
            +2
            their intelligence works too well in Syria. Here it is necessary for us and Assad to think and search.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 May 2018 10: 04
              +7
              We cannot be helped there. NEVER, NOBODY, did not listen to our good advice in BV!
              We carry out a specific task (each military operation should have it), extinguish the “barmaley”, help / train the Syrian army! We are doing it in a high-quality manner, as far as possible with the Arabs! We cover from real arrivals from the striped and their allies, again, as far as possible!
              This task is EXECUTIVE! Do not get involved in other people's showdowns, there goals are not clear and impossible at the moment.
            2. Grits
              Grits 12 May 2018 11: 35
              +10
              For all my dislike of the gangster state of Israel, I must admit - not only intelligence is at their best. Also, the pilots are cool, aviation works competently, modern technology. Anyway, the level of planning and implementation of these plans is excellent. Notice. that in terms of the effectiveness of strikes they are much cooler than the Americans.
              1. Doronkabilio
                Doronkabilio 12 May 2018 12: 08
                +5
                Gritsa, please love us. We need your love so much. The day before yesterday they published the report of the Israeli state controller, it is written in black and white: as a result of our gangster policy, Gritsa does not like us, it is urgent to take measures ...
          2. tchoni
            tchoni 12 May 2018 10: 41
            +2
            Quote: rocket757
            I don’t know other methods ... can anyone suggest another?

            Well, I had a slightly different meaning ... For example, how the beggle suggests itself, especially taking into account the experience of the “ball”, that the air defense systems of the near boundary should work at least in pairs: one shoots - the other insures, olin recharges - the other shoots .. . etc. At least one of the pair must be in standby mode. A discharged machine should not stand. And not a car should go to TZMka, but TZMka to BM. Again, training on the speed of reloading .... But, this is so, offhand.
            Plus purely technical conclusions in the direction of further upgrading the system. Cannon and missile weapons must be separated and independent (well, sailors have long been talking about this, and even bourgeois do). and should allow independent reloading when possible using one of the weapons in this case. In practice, this may mean a return to a pair of wasp-boom-to-torus + shilka-type machines, or the crossing of the shell artillery platform with vertically launched missiles from the torus. or something like that.
            In addition, there is a need to further increase indicators such as the "resolution" of the surveillance radar, "the number of simultaneously tracked targets," increasing the automation of the machine, and improving the performance of passive reconnaissance equipment. In particular, one can think about the all-aspect ratio of the thermal imaging channel for reconnaissance of targets in the near zone and about introducing it as the main watch channel with automatic detection-recognition-defeat of a target ... etc. You can dream up a lot.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 May 2018 11: 48
              +4
              This is organizational and technical measures. the implementation of which should ensure the effective application of everything, always and everywhere!
              Everything that you offer reasonably and under certain conditions will be effective, there are no questions.
              Just at the moment, with a general lack of everything and always, only the correct operation / application of what is can provide the proper effect!
              It is necessary to teach, to teach, and to teach again. They want to win, or at least not lose. will do the right thing, and if not, here and here not.
            2. Doronkabilio
              Doronkabilio 12 May 2018 12: 10
              +2
              Tchoni, so you are a valuable shot, maybe then write an application to Wagner in our area too?
              1. tchoni
                tchoni 12 May 2018 12: 52
                +2
                Quote: Doronkabilio
                Tchoni, so you are a valuable shot, maybe then write an application to Wagner in our area too?

                No, my friend, about 10 years ago, maybe he would have written, but now he has become old, but weak, again his wife - burdened with children)
                1. Doronkabilio
                  Doronkabilio 12 May 2018 13: 38
                  0
                  So the wife and children this is a good reason to go to Wagner. He pays $ 5000 per month. It will be for kids on the milk
                  1. tchoni
                    tchoni 12 May 2018 17: 27
                    +1
                    I will earn them and the dumb)
          3. farcop
            farcop 12 May 2018 11: 43
            +2
            Quote: rocket757
            Israelis have a systematic, well-planned approach
            Well, duck at home, and the walls help.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 May 2018 12: 16
              +4
              They protect their house, their fact, they are bandit with their neighbors, this is also a fact.
              Anyway, it cannot last forever, there are too many on BV those who hate the chosen ones.
              Several factors coincide and .... in short, immediately emigrate to Mars.
              1. farcop
                farcop 12 May 2018 12: 21
                +2
                Quote: rocket757
                bandit with neighbors
                They are not there.
                Quote: rocket757
                Anyway, it can't last forever
                and what can?
                Quote: rocket757
                Several factors coincide and
                Well, so far, these factors coincide but in the other direction.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 12 May 2018 13: 42
                  +3
                  Lucky !, but the root word is bye!
                  1. farcop
                    farcop 12 May 2018 14: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: rocket757
                    but the root word is bye
                    It's time to explain: and if not?
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 12 May 2018 17: 54
                      +3
                      Shaw to explain that? Specifically, because I said a lot of things.
                      1. farcop
                        farcop 12 May 2018 18: 45
                        0
                        the root word is bye
                        and if not? not yet?
            2. Business trip
              Business trip 12 May 2018 12: 36
              +1
              Vernier will be not walls, but a small area of ​​database maintenance. This is an advantage and at the same time a misfortune of the Jews. Israel, like the border of Syria, is so tiny that deploying only the S-300 greatly limits Israel’s actions. And if also complexes Iskander, etc. then full seams. In the case of Israeli aggression, the retaliatory strike will be such that it will be difficult to hide it with the words "in every way" and "omnibus". hi
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 May 2018 18: 09
                +4
                Empty illusions! Yes, even at the top of the street they blocked the territory with the best technology, if there are no specialists who can combine everything into a complete system and manage this system, there will be no sense!
                It takes time, human and material resources! Assad's time pressure and resources are very modest ... and the tasks are more important than buttging with Israel.
                Iran’s actions against Israel will harm Syria and drag the way to peace.
            3. vik669
              vik669 20 May 2018 00: 08
              0
              Well, duck on VO and sofas help.
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            2. the lord
              the lord 13 May 2018 04: 22
              0
              Well, well, as they say, good luck doesn't happen twice. Americans on Cook showed their weakness in front of our electronic warfare, which means you are no longer strong at all. On occasion, we will reel you over the Gaza Strip. Ashkenazik, begiiiii !!!
            3. zoolu350
              zoolu350 13 May 2018 08: 54
              0
              Zionist (fascist) tales are in a different section. To the Arabian 1001 night.
          5. the lord
            the lord 13 May 2018 04: 18
            0
            Duck is just as long as the resources are unfastened. Serious costs will go there. you look and the jambs will increase and losses. There was also an iron dome against the Hassans. Like at first they all shot down, and then the failures went, mess. Be these samopali at least somehow different from the sewer pipes, the trouble would be ....
        2. dSK
          dSK 12 May 2018 09: 13
          +3
          Quote: tchoni
          conclusions from the incident will be made. Moreover, both organizational and structural

          "Winning a fight doesn't mean winning war.“Whoever does the“ work on mistakes ”more successfully will win it. hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 May 2018 09: 22
            +8
            Arabs and successful work on bugs ??? Are you serious?
          2. tchoni
            tchoni 12 May 2018 10: 43
            +3
            Quote: dsk
            "Winning a battle does not mean winning a war." Whoever more successfully does the “work on mistakes” will win it.

            This is what bothers me. The Jews are famous for their speed of error correction .... But here we are .... We are slow-witted ...
            1. farcop
              farcop 12 May 2018 11: 45
              +1
              Quote: tchoni
              Quote: dsk
              "Winning a battle does not mean winning a war." Whoever more successfully does the “work on mistakes” will win it.

              This is what bothers me. The Jews are famous for their speed of error correction .... But here we are .... We are slow-witted ...
              Oops, and the Syrians are not there, as it were?
              1. tchoni
                tchoni 12 May 2018 12: 54
                0
                Quote: farcop
                Quote: tchoni
                Quote: dsk
                "Winning a battle does not mean winning a war." Whoever more successfully does the “work on mistakes” will win it.

                This is what bothers me. The Jews are famous for their speed of error correction .... But here we are .... We are slow-witted ...
                Oops, and the Syrians are not there, as it were?

                And the Syrians are those in general, until they get nailed up, they scratch themselves. Although .... maybe that has changed ... out, the war has been going on for how many years.
                1. real israeli
                  real israeli 12 May 2018 19: 55
                  0
                  How many times has Putin announced that everyone won
                  1. Huumi
                    Huumi 12 May 2018 22: 44
                    +1
                    For the first time, I see that an Israeli has such a great deal of arrogance .... it’s not good to hit a country like a jackal in the back, which is already in ruins — this is a sovereign state, by the way, do you like its ruler or not. Look, again you have to shoot the film-Schindler’s List- 2. Then you don’t need to later vote on the poor innocent victims — right now I read you — I look like you are hyenas in a ruined country, like a hectic knife wounded in the back ... I don’t know so ... how would you again not be used for a place of fuel
                  2. the lord
                    the lord 13 May 2018 04: 23
                    0
                    Well, he declared those whom he defeated. Here you are throwing new current. yes substitute yourself))))))
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 12 May 2018 11: 51
              +4
              Yeah, where you don’t have to, the thinker works! Here, wide shoulder straps and big stars are not always an indicator of a great mind and progressive ideas. And a lot depends on these people!
            3. alexsipin
              alexsipin 12 May 2018 12: 21
              +1
              Quote: tchoni
              This is what bothers me. The Jews are famous for their speed of error correction .... But here we are .... We are slow-witted ...

              Oh come on you self-abase. The Russian army is full of excellent weapons, and an ordinary Russian soldier is a model of a military man.
        3. svp67
          svp67 12 May 2018 10: 11
          +2
          Quote: tchoni
          Moreover, both organizational and structural

          More organizational. How the battle was organized, that during the time the ammunition was not replenished. Why there was no overlapping of the shelling sectors and this direction was not reinforced by reserve forces? So, there are more questions not to the installation, but to those who directed it. And why didn't the crew use guns? They also shot everything?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 May 2018 10: 18
            +7
            Yes, yes, why the crew didn’t rush to hell after firing ammunition, for example rockets? The complex is MOBILE, and not every ammunition will hit a moving target !!!
            What, nobody taught them that to change position, after shooting, it is useful for LIFE!
            And there’s a lot more that they didn’t do, although ours probably taught them that!
            1. svp67
              svp67 12 May 2018 10: 21
              +4
              Quote: rocket757
              although our probably they have been taught this!

              It seems the first thing they learned is to have a smoke break ....
            2. Shahno
              Shahno 12 May 2018 10: 24
              +6
              I also initially assumed yesterday that the rockets were all shot. But then somehow it all doesn’t fit together. The thermal imager does not show a temperature increase when approaching the target, people are in no hurry to replenish, and this is during the battle .... The commander rushed into the cockpit from some ....
              1. Morosha
                Morosha 12 May 2018 13: 53
                0
                Maybe he rushed into the cockpit for the "little one"? But then it’s definitely not a Syrian, they are definitely not capable of such “feats”.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 12 May 2018 18: 16
                  +3
                  Those who are still fighting a war against the “barmalei” are already motivated enough and can commit any deeds, many, the screenings were tough!
                  So we will not state without facts who it was.
            3. Business trip
              Business trip 12 May 2018 12: 44
              +1
              These problems are also inherent in our armed forces in Syria. In January, if I’m not mistaken, the attack of the Barmalean UAVs with improvised bombs, as it were, ours also screwed up. One Shell is in the red, and the SAMs have suffered losses. More often it is necessary to change the place of carrying the database. sad
        4. Corporal Pupkin
          Corporal Pupkin 12 May 2018 11: 04
          +1
          et, what-such "structural" ? wink
          book "in ears"" Shell ", or what? ... laughing
      3. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 12 May 2018 09: 25
        0
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Impunity is the basis of permissiveness, however.

        Now this word is called in the West "tolerance." And only so, in a unilateral interpretation.
      4. siberalt
        siberalt 12 May 2018 11: 11
        0
        It would be necessary to put a battery of shells, so that at least one installation was in full combat readiness. From Israel, dirty tricks can be expected at any moment. They have such a mentality. winked
        1. farcop
          farcop 12 May 2018 11: 47
          +4
          Quote: siberalt
          It’s necessary to put a battery of shells,
          It is necessary, of course it is. Why one, many many batteries. Israel has enough missiles for everyone. And you don’t have enough money for pensioners.
          1. Huumi
            Huumi 12 May 2018 22: 46
            0
            We’ll come and collect your money, share it ...
          2. farcop
            farcop 13 May 2018 08: 21
            0
            Quote: farcop
            We’ll come and collect your money, share it ...
            Has the visor already grown? When it grows, they will tear it off. With the roots.
      5. Bar1
        Bar1 12 May 2018 11: 16
        0
        The web has photos of Israeli shells hit the anti-aircraft missile and cannon system "Shell-C1", owned by the Syrian government army


        In general, the question is, how did this photo appear on the network, who gave permission to shoot a military object? I think neither ours nor the SAA are interested in displaying examples of their low professionalism or poor quality of technology. And the fact that the Jews put out the disgusting quality of the video can be questioned, such as this is generally an inflated shell.
        The fact that we have too many planes, helicopters, and shells going astray greatly undermines our faith in our weapons and makes our society nervous, but with some constant persistence we continue to be dealt sensitive blows, and instead of being silent and sorting out what happened, all this negativity collapses on the heads of our people. Why is this done? Maybe Putin and Netanyahany agreed so?
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          1. Bar1
            Bar1 12 May 2018 13: 30
            +1
            Quote: Doronkabilio
            Belief in your weapon is undermined by your own lies and bragging. There is no need to brag about the uniquely analogous world, no need to lie about 70% of downed tomahawks, to hide data on hundreds of killed Wagnerites


            Well, the carapace is actually one that no one has, it's not bragging.
            our propaganda loves the figure of 77%.
            about the "hundreds" of Wagnerites, prove, show the corpses of the dead.
            and the picture you are showing is what is it? Nothing is clear, so this can not serve as any proof of your words.
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              1. Hog
                Hog 12 May 2018 16: 13
                +2
                Apparently your MO is the ultimate truth.
                They lie all, some more others less, because everyone has certain interests and responsibilities.
              2. TAMBU
                TAMBU 12 May 2018 16: 28
                +1
                yes yes ... don't lie ... no doubt ...
        2. real israeli
          real israeli 12 May 2018 18: 03
          0
          "And the fact that the Jews put out the disgusting quality of the video can be questioned."

          And Russian missiles have HD quality ?! You are back in the 20th century with rockets! HELLO FROM 21 CENTURY!
      6. Bar1
        Bar1 12 May 2018 11: 19
        0
        By the way, how did it happen that the Jews found out that the carapace was without ammunition? Where does all the information come from?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 May 2018 12: 29
          +5
          Infa flows from all holes! That was and always will be with the Arabs! Ours do not "rule" there, in fact, so we will have what we have!
          High losses speak for different things, from the fact that REAL combat work is going on in difficult conditions and with strong opposition from the enemy, to ...... to the poor organization of the combat process!
          Everyone will find and write what he wants!
          And our weapons are very good and very effective, with proper preparation and .... proper operation!
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 12 May 2018 13: 33
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            Infa flows from all holes! That was and always will be with the Arabs!


            it cannot be that every Arab shell would have a traitor-Arab with a camera, and as soon as the prayer or solarium was over, he would run to Israel for a report. This shell story is far from clean.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 May 2018 18: 20
              +4
              Israel has high-quality intelligence, an integrated approach ..... a vital topic is how to bask.
        2. ventel
          ventel 12 May 2018 13: 00
          +1
          HOW as on the air, after all, probably the instructors also talked to the crew about the communication means that have no analogues, so they believed.
      7. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 17 March 2020 17: 23
        0
        for today, the Turks lied that 8 shells, but nafotoshopili 3 while extremely inept. For all three, a bunch of individual issues of what and where is wrong ... in the media, all three are refuted as a gross photoshop. But in English it was said taG-2 was shown 2 refuted as photoshop because ... 2 but they recognized that XNUMX was damaged .. other clarifications by the forest. etozh free vika)
  2. Dashout
    Dashout 12 May 2018 07: 38
    +12
    Apparently, they (Armor) in a pair should work to cover each other for a reload time
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 12 May 2018 07: 46
      +22
      Quote: Dashout
      Apparently, they (Armor) in a pair should work to cover each other for a reload time

      in theory, the air defense should be layered, S-300/400 - Buk - Carapace / Tunguska and Tor / Strela 10, and, accordingly, the radar complex "Sky - NE" ... soldier
      1. The black
        The black 12 May 2018 07: 51
        +44
        If the “Shell” was not in combat readiness, then the question was not about its effectiveness, but about the human factor: where was the crew, why did the Syrians not think that they could fly from the Jews, etc. If our technology were weak, the Americans and Israelites would not be so nervous if Turkey and Iran wanted to buy our air defense systems!
        1. svp67
          svp67 12 May 2018 10: 13
          +6
          Quote: Black
          If our technology were weak, Americans and Israelis wouldn’t be so nervous

          And they will not when will not show the video shot from those missiles that were destroyed by the same "Shell"
        2. Corporal Pupkin
          Corporal Pupkin 12 May 2018 11: 07
          +2
          "Arab gouging" - IT IS UNBEATABLE!
          And, Jews perfectly use it "at ALL times" ...
        3. Doronkabilio
          Doronkabilio 12 May 2018 12: 30
          +2
          On the contrary, we calmed down from Turkey’s plans to buy S-400, and even more from America’s plans not to deliver F-35 to Perdogan
          1. faridg7
            faridg7 16 June 2018 04: 12
            0
            And I look, Bibi, like a scalded one, rode up to Putin, when they just hinted at the delivery of the S300 to Syria. But he turns out to be in a hurry to show his calmness.
        4. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 17 March 2020 17: 25
          0
          bgggg to cover the shell it is necessary that they were not 36 but 72. your cap. to leave? cool but there is almost everywhere a desert ... in general, yes they messed up but not everything is so simple)) Threat on Google Jews smashed the Arabs according to the number of damaged amshins and those and those 75% at the time of the armistice ... Air defense to the Arabs smashed the current from their Jewish there is still no, and even at the discovery of the cartoon about the Jewish persecution begins suddenly ... the bombing of the Arab air force on Jewish tanks! bgggg .. actually the troops on the front of the couple didn’t want to bomb and what else is needed?
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 12 May 2018 07: 58
      +15
      Apparently, they (Armor) in a pair should work to cover each other for a reload time

      I absolutely agree with you ... the Jews taught a good lesson ... just like the Germans did in 1941 against the Red Army.
      I would add one more suggestion ... to use inflatable models of heated armor during the combat raid of Jews in Syrian positions.
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 12 May 2018 08: 28
        +7
        Quote: The same Lech

        I absolutely agree with you ... the Jews taught a good lesson ...


        If you look at how the Israelis beat Arabs for the last 70 years, then there is the whole school of life ... Every example there is a lesson. At all levels. from lieutenant to general.

        But to Arabs these lessons do not go for the future.
        They are unable to learn military affairs in principle.
        Their destiny is karamultuki ...
        1. Pissarro
          12 May 2018 08: 30
          +6
          Over the past two years, they have learned to fight. With our help. The whole galaxy of victories and a hundred liberated cities are an example of this
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 12 May 2018 08: 47
            +9
            Quote: Pissarro
            Over the past two years, they have learned to fight. With our help. The whole galaxy of victories and a hundred liberated cities are an example of this


            What cities? which hundreds?
            there settlements are smaller than our large village ...
            Militants left the village for water - the ATS entered the village.
            Scribbled victory relay.
            Out of water at the ATS - gone. The militants came again.
            The plot is like the "Wedding in the Robin" ...

            Stop looking at it through the prism of the first channel ...
            1. Pissarro
              12 May 2018 08: 52
              +12
              Well, where did the SAA come from recently? It is systematically liberating its cities, despite the massive foreign support of the barmalei
          2. Grandfather Makar
            Grandfather Makar 12 May 2018 08: 47
            +4
            Quote: Pissarro
            Over the past two years, they have learned to fight. With our help. The whole galaxy of victories and a hundred liberated cities are an example of this

            So for sure, it’s not without reason that such a “hitting” is going on in Syria and they are firing with axes and hammering with aviation! And Syria holds on and continues to send devils to Allah ..
          3. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 17 March 2020 17: 26
            -1
            Today, the Turks destroyed the Syrian divisions and abruptly left the polydlib along the way and gave the polydlib in vain .... what is he hinting at.
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 12 May 2018 08: 44
          +1
          But to Arabs these lessons do not go for the future.
          They are unable to learn military affairs in principle.
          Their destiny is karamultuki ...


          Let me disagree with you ...
          the very same Ishilians motivated by their bloody ideology are fighting pretty well ... but these are the same Arabs as the Syrians and Iraqis .. the truth Isilovites are led and directed by instructors from Israel, the USA, ENGLAND, France, Saudi Arabia.
          If you dilute Assad’s army with our instructors with combat experience, it’s quite possible to create a good army that can even fight the IDF on an equal footing ... well, it takes time and the political will of our leadership.
          The Syrian army has a skeleton of officers with combat experience that can be used as the basis for organizing a real combat-ready army.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 12 May 2018 09: 09
            +3
            Quote: The same Lech

            The Syrian army has a skeleton of officers with combat experience that can be used as the basis for organizing a real combat-ready army.

            I do not agree with you.
            Why am I talking about "karamultuki" - because. that their real limit is infantry units.
            They were taught by thousands in the Soviet Union and in America. And the Syrians and Egyptians and Jordanians and Iraqis and Iranians and Saudis and Kuwaitis and Qatari.
            And tactics and tanks and planes and air defense.
            everywhere the result is one.
            What about the graduates of the Soviet school. that of graduates of an American school.
            Infantry.
            not more.
            That the Syrians on the MiG-29, that the Sauddites on the F-15 - complete shit.
            That the Iraqis on the T-72, that the Kuwaitis on the Chieftains - just complete shit.

            All their military training is not able to go beyond the karamultuk ...
            Not capable of a point.
            regardless of school, age. years of application.
            1. perm23
              perm23 12 May 2018 09: 33
              0
              You are probably right. what before. they were beaten and beaten now
            2. vik669
              vik669 12 May 2018 11: 55
              +2
              Of course, you can see better from the pissed sofa!
          2. igor67
            igor67 12 May 2018 09: 22
            +7
            Quote: The same LYOKHA

            Let me disagree with you ...
            the very same Ishilians motivated by their bloody ideology are fighting pretty well ... but these are the same Arabs as the Syrians and Iraqis .. the truth Isilovites are led and directed by instructors from Israel, the USA, ENGLAND, France, Saudi Arabia.

            and here let me agree with you, if you remember who was at the origins of the organization, or it’s practically the top leadership of the Iraqi army, that is, Iraqi army officers trained in Soviet military universities, also joined the Syrian military, also trained in the USSR, they fight pretty well.
        3. Valernsky
          Valernsky 12 May 2018 08: 55
          +5
          This is from the theory of racism or Nazism.
        4. MPN
          MPN 12 May 2018 09: 31
          +5
          Quote: ZVO
          But to Arabs these lessons do not go for the future.

          This upsets ... some kind of suicides ... request or so much used to the war that it’s kind of like normal ...
        5. Professor
          Professor 12 May 2018 09: 41
          +4
          Quote: ZVO
          Quote: The same Lech

          I absolutely agree with you ... the Jews taught a good lesson ...


          If you look at how the Israelis beat Arabs for the last 70 years, then there is the whole school of life ... Every example there is a lesson. At all levels. from lieutenant to general.

          But to Arabs these lessons do not go for the future.
          They are unable to learn military affairs in principle.
          Their destiny is karamultuki ...

          It all depends on who the accountant is. The Arab Legion fought very worthily.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 12 May 2018 10: 05
            +2
            Quote: Professor

            It all depends on who the accountant is. The Arab Legion fought very worthily.


            This is the infantry ... This is their limit.
            The smart, proactive, cunning use of high-tech technology is not for them.
            Tanks, planes. Air Defense, EW, RTR - not for them.
            Here is my message.
            They are no more than foot soldiers.
            1. Professor
              Professor 12 May 2018 11: 33
              +2
              Quote: ZVO
              Quote: Professor

              It all depends on who the accountant is. The Arab Legion fought very worthily.


              This is the infantry ... This is their limit.
              The smart, proactive, cunning use of high-tech technology is not for them.
              Tanks, planes. Air Defense, EW, RTR - not for them.
              Here is my message.
              They are no more than foot soldiers.

              I do not agree. We have a lot of Intel Arabs for example. In no way inferior to the Jews. It all depends on teachers and motivation. The Syrian warriors have neither one nor the other.
        6. tracer
          tracer 12 May 2018 10: 13
          +3
          Modern weapons automatically mean the possession of equipment at the most "modern level." The TECHNOLOGICAL way of life of the Arabs is the Middle Ages close to them and understandable. And how do you not teach him ... it will be stupid. Units are normal and understanding. But the bulk ... trouble .. And yes, the state of Israel ensures the security of its people by any means. It must be strong, otherwise it will simply be torn. Any strengthening of the Arab states precisely as states is a direct threat to the existence of Israel. And here his actions are quite understandable. I think that Netanyahu didn’t just fly in with Putin to sit in the parade.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 12 May 2018 08: 26
      +1
      Quote: Dashout
      Apparently, they (Armor) in a pair should work to cover each other for a reload time

      So far, the Syrians are "not fat." Apparently, these ZRPKs are still not enough for them to cover each other. That "smear" them over a larger territory.
      1. Grits
        Grits 12 May 2018 11: 48
        +1
        Apparently, these ZRPKs are still not enough for them to cover each other.
        Before the war they delivered them 36 pieces. And how much later is unknown. It’s enough to cover at least about 15 objects
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 12 May 2018 11: 54
          0
          Quote: Gritsa
          It’s enough to cover at least about 15 objects

          This is a drop in the ocean, a war is going on across the country.
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 12 May 2018 11: 33
      0
      In theory, and electronic warfare should work ...
      Jews taught a good lesson

      It would be good if the Arabs studied at these lessons, otherwise all the lessons were not for them. laughing
  3. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 12 May 2018 07: 39
    0
    Against such drones, only electronic warfare can help.
  4. Professor
    Professor 12 May 2018 07: 41
    +21
    Arab sources citing Syrian troops say that the attack was carried out using drones. It is stated that we are talking about a kamikaze UAV armed with explosive ordnance.

    Now you have Spikes, then drones. You already decide, comrades Syrians. Collect debris of rockets or something. wink

    He had nothing to repel the attack

    Well, that justifies him. He shot ammunition in milk and got what he deserved.

    At that moment, the Israeli military carried out an attack on the ZRPK, having waited for the right moment.

    Well done. What else do you say?

    It can be assumed that the launcher itself must be repaired if it has received any damage.

    And here the author is joking. Unavailable in the world armor total lost.

    It was he who started to run to the ZRPK cockpit a few seconds before the strike.

    He forgot the cell phone in the cockpit. He ran after him into the cabin. Without a cell phone, how would he take a selfie? request

    PS
    Look again at the video shot from the thermal GOS. The video tells a lot about it. Hint - dark warm.
    1. NordOst16
      NordOst16 12 May 2018 07: 48
      +1
      What are you, he has no analogues in the world.
    2. GABALIS
      GABALIS 12 May 2018 07: 59
      +14
      Well, the damage is less than on the "Carrots" in Lebanon, and the losses too good
    3. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 12 May 2018 08: 02
      +42
      Professor, poured bile? Essentially nothing to say? Your super-high-speed missile launchers actually turned out to be baroque - even such an unarmored complex only hurt, and that’s not critical! And if it was an armored object, we were presented with a claim, why would you send equipment to Syria that we cannot destroy? ?? wassat
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 May 2018 08: 18
        +14
        Quote: ANCIENT
        Professor, poured bile? Essentially nothing to say?

        Poke it with your mom, but you will come to me.

        Quote: ANCIENT
        Your super-high-speed missile launchers actually turned out to be baroque - even such an unarmored complex only hurt, and that’s not critical!

        Definitely junk. After all, having no taxes in the world, the shell did not stop performing the combat mission, and Lieutenant Ali escaped with a slight fright. You tell him by the way that no smoking on runway.

        Quote: ANCIENT
        And if it was an armored object, we were presented with a claim, why would you send equipment to Syria that we cannot destroy? ??

        How tanks that have no analogues in the world are destroyed, I won’t show you, I don’t want to injure in the morning. However, I’ll inform you all of the 4’s alleged ammunition disrupted air defense systems have armor penetration capable of destroying any armored vehicles. Like you essentially.

        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        However, Professor, you should rejoice not because your pilots destroyed the Syrian Shell, but after that the Syrians and Iranians did not strike at the airfields in ISRAEL where your military aircraft are based ... at least it’s obvious that constantly defending in Syria is a dead end .. .need to strike at the enemy there he is based so that from the attack he goes to defense.

        The Iranians and the Syrians have a thin gut to strike at our airfields. They carefully listen to the speeches of our ministers (in particular, the Minister for Jerusalem) and know what they will receive in response.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 12 May 2018 08: 23
          +18
          The Iranians and the Syrians have a thin gut to strike at our airfields.

          Oh well ... oh oh oh now they’ll all run home.
          Apparently you professor so believed in the IDF’s invincibility that you don’t even think about defeating your army ... in vain professor ... smile however, this is good ... relax ... enjoy a one-time victory ... more likely to miss a hit in the long run of this endless war between Jews and Arabs.
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 May 2018 08: 50
            +11
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Apparently you professor believed the invincibility of the IDF so that you don’t even think about defeating your army ... in vain professor ...

            The defeat of our army means the end of the state and the total destruction of our people. We will not be captured and our smys in the "occupied territory" will not live more than one day. They’ll just be cut out. And therefore, defeat is not an option.

            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            however, this is good ... relax ... enjoy a one-time victory ... more likely to miss a hit in the long run of this endless war between Jews and Arabs.

            Well yes. We relaxed calling reservists and increasing combat readiness.
            Bahrain OPEN supported the blow of Israel. Here is a war with the Arabs. Change the training manual.

            Quote: Oper
            Such a powerful and powerful Israel, despite the "weakness of the Syrian army and Russian weapons," prefers to shoot in Syria exclusively from a Lebanese angle!

            Lebanon see the rubber times allows you to strike from its territory into the depths of Syria.


            Quote: Oper
            Why would it be if, according to the Jewish professor, all the rockets are in milk, and if Jewish planes fall, it is solely due to the wrong actions of the pilots ?!

            We have fallen 1 (ONE) aircraft from PVO funds from the 1982 year. For 35 years, CEP. Likbez. fellow

            Quote: Muvka
            How do you understand from this video that he shot everything in milk? Share with me. Very interesting.

            I understood this from the number of Israeli aircraft shot down. Your MO counted an 28 of Israeli aircraft participating in the attack.

            Quote: loki565
            What merit, professor? I don’t care about geography, professor, please remind me, Mezze base near Damascus, is this one of the suburbs of Tel Aviv?

            On the merits that the MLRS Hurricane attacked our sovereign territory. The answer was not long in coming. They sat quietly and the lieutenant would die in old age from lung cancer.

            Quote: loki565
            In fact, a man died, with his world, plans, dreams, he probably had a family. And yes! Wait a minute! "He ran after the mobile phone," he is in his own land.

            ... and would live if his the land did not shell us.
            Quote: loki565
            Well, why immediately shot it in milk, it is clear that the shell is a near-range air defense system and it cannot hit planes, but he could completely destroy the missiles. The fact that immediately after the shooting the BC did not change their position is a jamb of the crew ... If we compare it with the Israeli air defense systems of the Dome type, they are generally almost stationary, how long does it take to relocate to another place ??? one day???)))

            The shell is generally able to act on the march, i.e. in move.

            Quote: loki565
            As we see with the 20 attack of UNMISSIBLE missiles, problems already arise and this is without electronic interference, etc. And if these missiles would be fired not by area, but by specific targets: radars, launchers, command posts and flew at a minimum height with envelope relief, how long would such an air defense last?)))

            No problems arose with them. 16 did not fly, 4 were shot down. None of them reached our territory. 20 missiles intercepted, 200 no.

            Quote: loki565
            It’s just that Israel is used to waging victorious wars against “whipping boys” like the Gaza Strip and Syria weakened by terrorists)))

            Well yes. Against 7 countries immediately. Moreover, they are superior to us both in numbers and in the quantity and quality of weapons, and one of them, moreover, is 10 000 of Soviet “advisers”. I won’t even remember about such exotic things as Cuban tankers.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 12 May 2018 08: 55
              +5
              Bahrain OPENLY supported Israel's strike. Here is a war with the Arabs. Change the training manual.

              Training manual smile ... for no reason ... for I do not consider your state to be our friend ...
              I read something on Jewish sites and I see perfectly what kind of nasty things some Jews say about us. As for Bahrain ...

              2017 year
              Population: 1,418,895 people.

              Do not tell my sneakers.
            2. Opera
              Opera 12 May 2018 09: 14
              +5
              Professor, well, I’m telling you, since everything so wonderful may be enough to hide behind the Lebanese ?! You won’t fight so much! If you have chosen such a line for resolving the issue, well, then solve it ?! Though your population stop tormenting !!! When you start kicking yourself so quickly, kasama, someone is running around with your knives, something explodes, the bundles are burned and the military are thrown stones at the police ... And now the Iranians are still ... This is horror and not life! You don’t give a damn about your neighbors so even regret it! You either begin to negotiate or finish hiding! I can feel sorry for ordinary Jews ?! Tortured people! I repeat-Tsahal hiding behind the Lebanese, Netanyahu in Moscow at the parade! One you do not spare yourself! Have pity on your compatriots, I’m asking you ...
            3. perm23
              perm23 12 May 2018 09: 38
              +2
              that's just not up to about seven countries and especially about the Cubans. it is not good to lie. and those countries with which you have dealt. so there was no once normal army.
            4. Ramzaj99
              Ramzaj99 12 May 2018 10: 19
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              We have fallen 1 (ONE) aircraft from PVO funds from the 1982 year. For 35 years, CEP. Likbez.

              No one has ever sharpened the Syrian army to bring down. If there was such a task, the air defense would be updated, and not the samples of the 70s, and you would not fly there at all. At the moment, it is generally impossible to counteract competently, since there are no problems to solve on earth. I don’t know how the Jews divorced Putin, that he allows the Allies to be bombed with impunity, but the goal is definitely not worth stopping the Jews. And they, in gratitude, publish similar videos, knowing full well what resonance and damage to the image of technology they will produce .... meanly so in Hebrew (((
            5. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 12 May 2018 11: 43
              +1
              Yes, calm down, do not be nervous. I understand why it makes you so sad - they indicated that your super-duper attacked the almost defenseless ZRPK. You have already issued in the Western and lackey media that the Great Carapace has been destroyed. Did your media choke with delight? And then the gap between the Jewish and Western brains. And about the analogs - well, indicate the analogs of the Panciard with its layout and performance characteristics?
            6. perm23
              perm23 12 May 2018 12: 23
              0
              You would sometimes look at the map. You don’t even have a common border with Iran. So we still have to figure it out. who and whom is touching. maybe you should be quieter and more modest.
            7. Muvka
              Muvka 12 May 2018 17: 23
              +1
              In fact, the radius of destruction of the shell is 20 km. How could he get to the plane in principle? He worked on rockets, I'm sure. But not by plane, which is out of reach of him. The shell is a near air defense. If anything.
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 12 May 2018 08: 31
          +19
          Quote: Professor
          Poke it with your mom, but you will come to me.

          Oleg, you’re the first to poke, you’re coming to you. yes
          Quote: Professor
          Definitely junk. Having no taxes in the world, the shell didn’t stop performing a combat mission,

          Who! Spike can and junk laughing but I still wouldn’t say that, it’s not junk, and Shell C1 isn’t junk at all, you chose the right moment simply, respect, however, these are the moments that are decided in the war.
          Quote: Professor
          How tanks that have no analogues in the world are destroyed, I won’t show you, I don’t want to injure in the morning.

          Yes yes yes IT IS DESTROYING ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING and not having any taxes in the world any tanks, even Israeli laughing people control technology, but here
          Quote: Professor
          runway smoking prohibited.

          I agree.
          Quote: Professor
          Iranians and the Syrians have a thin gut to strike at our airfields. They carefully listen to the speeches of our ministers (in particular, the Minister for Jerusalem) and know what they will receive in response.

          Well, why does Mr. Lieberman weeping say that the Persians of the 20 missiles in Israel were fooled and who to believe? laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 May 2018 09: 05
            +7
            Quote: vovanpain
            Oleg, you’re the first to poke, you’re coming to you.

            Quote: ANCIENT
            The professor, unlike you, didn’t poke you!

            Yes, I was not attentive. I apologize. hi

            Quote: vovanpain
            Who! Spike may have junk, but I still wouldn’t say it was junk, and the C1 Shell wasn’t junk at all, you just chose the right moment, respect, however, these are the moments that are decided in the war.

            Of 4's probable ammunition, Spike is the least likely. Why are you all clinging to him? Why not Nimrod, Spice, Harop, Delilah?

            Quote: vovanpain
            Well, why does Mr. Lieberman weeping say that the Persians of the 20 missiles in Israel were fooled and who to believe?

            Both. The Persians were "hinted" that if they still tucked in, then the chair under the assad would swing. They are not poking around yet. Shocking the menacing air.

            Quote: ANCIENT
            Unmatched tanks is your Merkava in South Lebanon in 2006? We saw the Cornet supernatant mercenary 4 burned by "Cornet", from here you have the "Cornetophobia" -the Palestinian, whom you give to build your state, will throw a stone at your tank, and you scream to the whole universe that 300000 shots from the "Cornet" hit the tank

            In Lebanon, 5 (FIVE) tanks, including those that were blown up by landmines, were irretrievably lost.

            Quote: ANCIENT
            ! You are afraid of this complex, and you hate Russia for it!

            We are not afraid, but we are taking measures. In an extreme conflict, we did not lose a single tacna, including from those who have no analogues in the world of Kornetov. You can supply Chrysanthemums.


            Quote: aszzz888
            .. the foolishness over the dead ... at least it's mean, inhuman

            Come on? On the day of Basayev’s death, do you put a candle behind a flask in a church? And the lieutenant is an enemy to us with all the consequences.
        3. Yeah
          Yeah 12 May 2018 08: 37
          +4
          Dear professor, you can’t tell me what Benjamin suggested to Vladimir for “the right policy”, otherwise you won’t get anything from our kajibi.
          1. Corporal Pupkin
            Corporal Pupkin 12 May 2018 11: 29
            +4
            a "list" of the tablets of Moses, a cast from an eunoe slipper (sandalwood), and ...
            Kipu "on the dark"!
            (Ah, do you ... THESE “spiritual bonds” are not enough?) wassat
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        5. ANCIENT
          ANCIENT 12 May 2018 08: 45
          +26
          The professor, unlike you, didn’t poke you! As for dad and mom, indicate to your grandmother and grandfather, otherwise you take a lot on yourself! Unmatched tanks is your Merkava in South Lebanon in 2006? We saw the Corncracker merkava 4 burned by the “Cornet”, from here you have the “Cornetophobia” —the Palestinian, whom you are giving your country to build, will throw a stone at your tank, and you scream to the whole universe that 300000 shots from the “Cornet” have hit the tank! Are you afraid of this complex, and you hate Russia for it! And I would put Syria "Chrysanthemums" so that another phobia begins! And most importantly, remember that you want to see someone at home in the mirror! Rather, they would return the minus! You’ve earned them only for today's posts! Sprinkle saliva on !
        6. Conserp
          Conserp 12 May 2018 08: 49
          +26
          Quote: Professor
          Poke it with your mom, but you will come to me.

          He came here to joyfully screech about ISIS’s military assistance, with a scattering of insults against Russians and Syrians, and he wants to be treated not like dirt.

          This is great - a joke about super impudence live.
        7. Piramidon
          Piramidon 12 May 2018 12: 03
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: ANCIENT
          Professor pouredИ bile? Essentially nothing to say?

          Poke it with your mom, but you will come to me.

          It seems to be a "professor", but did not learn to read. Where did you see the appeal to YOU? Letters need to be carefully examined (I specifically singled out for such "professors") before being rude.
        8. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 13 May 2018 19: 40
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: ANCIENT
          Professor, poured bile? Essentially nothing to say?
          Poke it with your mom, but you will come to me.

          So he seems to be like you. This is you to him on you.
    4. Same lech
      Same lech 12 May 2018 08: 04
      +24
      Look again at the video shot from the thermal GOS. The video tells a lot about it. Hint - dark warm.

      Professor's joy is immeasurable ...
      However, Professor, you should rejoice not because your operators destroyed the Syrian Shell, but after that the Syrians and Iranians did not strike at the airfields in ISRAEL where your military aircraft are based ... at least it’s obvious that constantly defending in Syria is a dead end .. .need to strike at the enemy there he is based so that from the attack he goes to defense.
      1. Opera
        Opera 12 May 2018 08: 18
        +27
        The penny of this bile is worthless! Such a powerful and powerful Israel, despite the "weakness of the Syrian army and Russian weapons," prefers to shoot in Syria exclusively from a Lebanese angle! Why would it be if, according to the Jewish professor, all the rockets are in milk, and if Jewish planes fall, it is solely due to the wrong actions of the pilots ?! Well, you already decide all your problems! What is the question ?! Teach your pilots to teach them how to fly further than Lebanon and generally fly, so that they don’t ruin the equipment! Well, it’s embarrassing to watch, Dzhekhal around the corner, and a lonely professor at the forefront with his chest to swing, like an armadillo!
        1. Grandfather Makar
          Grandfather Makar 12 May 2018 08: 51
          +9
          Quote: Oper
          The penny of this bile is worthless! Such a powerful and powerful Israel, despite the "weakness of the Syrian army and Russian weapons," prefers to shoot in Syria exclusively from a Lebanese angle!

          To act from around the corner is their eternal tactic ... Even Rosenbaum sings a song, gop-stop ..))))
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 12 May 2018 11: 46
            +2
            And get a pen for it. Secretly, in the Bochin, hehe.
          2. glavserb
            glavserb 12 May 2018 20: 51
            0
            Why did you succeed in knocking out the "Shell" in Syria? This was told by the Russian general !!! He hints that there is no toilet in the Shell, and the Syrian crews can’t stand it around the clock. It seems that the Syrian commander gave the calculation the command to LIGHTEN and everyone dumped in the landing ... turning off the "Shell"! But then the Israel rocket hit ...
            https://lenta.ru/news/2018/05/11/analogov_net/
            This is a big omission of the designers of the Russian Federation - it was necessary to make a tropical version of the "Shell" for the Syrians. This is another miscalculation of Rogozin!
            1. kipod
              kipod 12 May 2018 21: 10
              +3
              Quote: Slavserb
              Why did you succeed in knocking out the "Shell" in Syria? This was told by the Russian general !!! He hints that there is no toilet in the Shell, and the Syrian crews can’t stand it around the clock. It seems that the Syrian commander gave the calculation the command to LIGHTEN and everyone dumped in the landing ... turning off the "Shell"! But then the Israel rocket hit ...
              https://lenta.ru/news/2018/05/11/analogov_net/
              This is a big omission of the designers of the Russian Federation - it was necessary to make a tropical version of the "Shell" for the Syrians. This is another miscalculation of Rogozin!

              Delayed .. Is the shell wink
        2. Totah155
          Totah155 12 May 2018 09: 49
          +2
          Quote: Oper
          The penny of this bile is worthless! Such a powerful and powerful Israel, despite the "weakness of the Syrian army and Russian weapons," prefers to shoot in Syria exclusively from a Lebanese angle! Why would it be if, according to the Jewish professor, all the rockets are in milk, and if Jewish planes fall, it is solely due to the wrong actions of the pilots ?! Well, you already decide all your problems! What is the question ?! Teach your pilots to teach them how to fly further than Lebanon and generally fly, so that they don’t ruin the equipment! Well, it’s embarrassing to watch, Dzhekhal around the corner, and a lonely professor at the forefront with his chest to swing, like an armadillo!

          Talk about the "technical problems" of the aerospace forces in Syria?
          1. Grandfather Makar
            Grandfather Makar 12 May 2018 12: 02
            +2
            Quote: Totah155
            Talk about the "technical problems" of the aerospace forces in Syria?

            It’s you who you want to talk about TTX with? In a personal invite all talkers well, well
        3. tforik
          tforik 12 May 2018 12: 39
          0
          What difference does it make, the main thing is effective. In war, all methods are good.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 12 May 2018 08: 30
        +8
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        it is obvious that constantly defending in Syria is a dead end ... you need to strike at the enemy there he is based so that he goes on defense from an attack.

        I agree. It is necessary to fight the cause, not the effect. You need to shoot down carriers (platforms) and not a tuyev bunch of weapons. So for all of them there isn’t enough for them, and in terms of the cost of the joint venture / missile system it is a clear loss ...
    5. Muvka
      Muvka 12 May 2018 08: 15
      +15

      Well, that justifies him. He shot ammunition in milk and got what he deserved.

      How do you understand from this video that he shot everything in milk? Share with me. Very interesting.
    6. Civilian
      Civilian 12 May 2018 08: 17
      +33
      Quote: Professor
      Well, that justifies him. He shot ammunition in milk and got what he deserved.

      What merit, professor? I don’t care about geography, professor, please remind me, the base Mezze near DamascusIs this one of the suburbs of Tel Aviv?
      He forgot the cell phone in the cockpit. He ran after him into the cabin. Without a cell phone, how would he take a selfie?

      In fact, a man died, with his world, plans, dreams, he probably had a family. And yes! Wait a minute! "He ran for a cell phone" he its the earth.
      1. net0103net
        net0103net 12 May 2018 21: 10
        0
        Thank you for this comment.
    7. loki565
      loki565 12 May 2018 08: 25
      +18
      Well, why immediately shot it in milk, it is clear that the carapace is a short-range air defense system and it cannot hit planes, but he could completely destroy the missiles. The fact that immediately after the shooting the BC did not change their position is a jamb of the crew ... If we compare it with the Israeli air defense systems of the Dome type, they are generally almost stationary, how long does it take to relocate to another place ??? one day ???))) As you can see with the attack of 20 UNMISSIBLE missiles, problems already arise and this is without electronic interference, etc. And if these missiles would be fired not by area, but by specific targets: radars, launchers, command posts and flying at a minimum height with envelope relief, how long would such an air defense have lasted ???))) It’s just that Israel is used to waging victorious wars against "whipping boys" like the Gaza Strip and Syria weakened by terrorists)))
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 12 May 2018 08: 44
        +8
        Quote: loki565
        Well, why immediately shot in milk

        The professor is joking. He hints that the Shell was charged, otherwise that officer would not have pulled into the cockpit. I agree with him, but judging by the deposit - so why did they get the idea that it is fresh? What do the Syrians paint after each shot? I doubt it.
        1. loki565
          loki565 12 May 2018 08: 57
          +4
          EEEE, well, a banter, it's his own business))) Well, I hope you’re not so stupid, you have to understand: to turn on the complex, raise the radar, deploy it, you need some time. When I heard the whistle of a rocket, you don’t have time to drink Borjomi))) Perhaps I really ran to pick up something important, or decided that it was time to change the position of the fired air defense ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 12 May 2018 09: 23
            +1
            Quote: loki565
            decided that it was time to change the position of the fired air defense ...

            Too harshly and briskly he decided.
        2. ANCIENT
          ANCIENT 12 May 2018 09: 16
          +4
          Mordvin 3, and maybe, after the shot, the pipe just changes, and not a new rocket hustles into the old one? ??
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 12 May 2018 11: 46
            0
            Quote: ANCIENT
            - maybe after the shot the pipe just changes,

            And I do not know. request Anyway, the photo is one-sided.
            P.S. Zyablitsov, is it you? I don’t understand in any way ... recourse
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 12: 02
              +3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Zyablitsov, is it you?

              IMHO no:
              Quote: ANCIENT
              Composer on vacation

              Quote: ANCIENT
              with a hundredth of you on the site reincarnation!

              I only know one such laughing
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 12 May 2018 12: 10
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                I only know one such

                Ugh, damn it ... laughing Stirlitz ... wassat
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 12: 11
                  +3
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Ugh, damn it ... Stirlitz ...

                  Well, not without it repeat
    8. aszzz888
      aszzz888 12 May 2018 08: 29
      +20
      Professor (Oleg Sokolov) Today, 07: 41 ...He forgot the cell phone in the cab. He ran after him into the cabin. Without a cell phone, how would he take a selfie?

      ... foolishness over the deceased ... at least it's mean, inhuman angry ... but here for "professor (Oleg Sokolov) Today, 07: 41" there is a good reason to clown around and mock the dead - the Jews can be ... they are after the merikatos, the second "exceptional" ... angry
    9. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 12 May 2018 09: 07
      +7
      Professor, yes, in general, it doesn’t matter how they hit the broken Armor. The consequences are far worse for Israel. Long-range air defense systems, for example. Which from the territory of Syria to Ben-Gurion will get ... We must be very confident in the adequacy of the Syrian calculations. I would not rely on their discipline ...
      I understand everything about Iran, Hezbollah and other nishtyaki.
      And still enjoy their technological superiority - it is always temporary. Today you have kamikaze drones, and tomorrow? Clouds of primitive Iranian drones (possibly made in China) traveling via GPS signals at an altitude of 20 meters ... And for every kilogram of explosives with shrapnel ... and from all possible directions. As an answer option.
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 May 2018 09: 22
        +7
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Professor, yes, in general, it doesn’t matter how they hit the broken Armor. The consequences are far worse for Israel. Long-range air defense systems, for example. Which from the territory of Syria to Ben Gurion will get... One must be very confident in the adequacy of the Syrian calculations. I would not rely on their discipline ...

        That is why we are against the supply of C-300 to Syria, otherwise we accidentally knock down the Boeing of Aeroflot. They are, they can.

        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And still enjoy their technological superiority - it is always temporary. Today you have kamikaze drones, and tomorrow? Clouds of primitive Iranian drones (possibly made in China) traveling via GPS signals at an altitude of 20 meters ... And for every kilogram of explosives with shrapnel ... and from all possible directions. As an answer option.

        This blow was "not proportional" so that the Persians (and not only them) realized that it would follow the "cloud of primitive Iranian drones (possibly of Chinese origin) traveling via GPS signals at an altitude of 20 meters ... And for every kilogram of explosives with shrapnel ... and from all possible directions. " Elkin clearly outlined our intentions.

        In general, tired of repeating. Do not touch us and we will not touch anyone. Lebanon has not fired at us for 12 years, and we will not bomb them. We do not bomb Egypt and Jordan. Yes, and Syria since the 1974 year, we haven’t touched 40 years since they didn’t touch us. However, Syria has now lost sovereignty and does not decide anything. And therefore, such blows and our responses will be again and again. Unfortunately.
        1. perm23
          perm23 12 May 2018 09: 42
          +5
          Duck why Beat in Syria and not for Isil and the like. Syria does not touch you. It does not attack you. and Iran in Syria does not attack you. Iran in Syria is fighting with bandits.
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 May 2018 09: 54
            +3
            Quote: perm23
            Duck why Beat in Syria and not for Isil and the like. Syria does not touch you. It does not attack you. and Iran in Syria does not attack you. Iran in Syria is fighting with bandits.

            100500-th time. We hit those who hit us and believe that since the Assad positions itself as a "ribo" (representative of sovereignty), it is he who is responsible for what is happening from his territory. We hit directly on the IG and on the other bearded, but only when they fired at us. We have no desire to get into disassembling assad.
            1. Guillon
              Guillon 12 May 2018 12: 54
              +3
              They hit you? Something is not visible while the falling Israeli aircraft or shelled airfields! request Probably it's time! negative
            2. Phoenix_L'vov
              Phoenix_L'vov 12 May 2018 13: 01
              +4
              During the war, the Germans also considered the inhabitants of the surrounding villages responsible for the actions of the partisans, and massively shot hostages. You, for the slightest insignificant reason and without reason, complicit the terrorists, whom, by the way, are practically not fought, but they regularly find your products, medicines, and sometimes ammunition with weapons - that’s why the whole Arab world will doubt you the same opportunity, immediately, when the United States is not up to its mongrel like your under-state.
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 12 May 2018 11: 49
          +4
          You do not touch Lebanon. You are only pirate, from its airspace (as from your own) attack Syria.
    10. Phoenix_L'vov
      Phoenix_L'vov 12 May 2018 12: 57
      0
      Meli, Emelya, your week ...
      I hope to see the destruction of your fascist state.
    11. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 May 2018 13: 19
      0
      "Professor" You already got everyone here with your Zionist propaganda. One question - where do you live? I mean, if you are a resident of the "promised land", then this is one thing (the troll is in the service of the state, which is paid for barking). And if you are a resident (I do not say a citizen) of Russia, then, I think, there will be people who will shorten your imerosemitic ambitions.
  5. Yak28
    Yak28 12 May 2018 07: 44
    +10
    What does the photo of the Shell in Syria tell about?
    Nothing, any air defense system can be destroyed, or any aircraft shot down, and how Arabs are at war, everyone knows
  6. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 12 May 2018 07: 51
    +6
    Surely they came up with some kind of new tactical device, for this they are much more likely. His Majesty, the experience of combat use, receive bloody snot.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 12 May 2018 08: 40
      +5
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      His Majesty, the experience of combat use, receive bloody snot.

      And this experience says that the installation needs to be protected. At least a couple of MANPADS like Verba ... From a three-channel MANPADS no drone will dodge!
      That characteristics of MANPADS "Verba":
      - range, m - 500 — 6000;
      - the height of the lesion, m - 10 — 4500;
      - mass of military equipment, kg - 17,25;
      - max. target speed on a collision course, m / s - 400;
      - max. target speed on a catch-up course, m / s - 320;
      - spectral channels, pcs. - 3. (visible, IR, UV).
      1. loki565
        loki565 12 May 2018 09: 10
        +2
        I wonder how the MANPADS operator will notice a small-sized object ??? this is not a plane that comes on strike several times))) As you can see from the video, it was noticed only on approach, a couple of seconds before the strike, and even then most likely heard the sound of a rocket ...
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 12 May 2018 09: 22
          +4
          Quote: loki565
          I wonder how the MANPADS operator will notice a small-sized object ???

          Two methods have long been used:
          1. guard unit in battle formations, where there are (vulgar!) CC observers. True range is small. Therefore, they are being put forward from MANPADS on 500 meters from SAM systems to the threatened direction.
          2. Willow's calculation includes a small-sized radar. The operator has a display on which the control center is issued from the radar. Efficiency increases 4 times.
          But that's all with us. Yes, on defense. On the march - they simply stick out of the hatches with a “pipe”, and the control center is issued by an operator on VHF, or an officer with a “hand with a flag” ... pointing towards the threat.
      2. loki565
        loki565 12 May 2018 09: 11
        +1
        Here you need to jam electronic warfare drone channels, and more often change the position of air defense
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 12 May 2018 09: 16
          +2
          Well, think about what the photos from other drones or spikes did not show, maybe the signal was unstable. And for whom the entire ammunition of the armor was shot ... Where is the photo of our damaged vehicles?
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 12 May 2018 09: 30
            +3
            Quote: Shahno
            Well, think about what the photos from other drones or spikes did not show, maybe the signal was unstable. And for whom the entire ammunition of the armor was shot ... Where is the photo of our damaged vehicles?

            Maybe the weather was wrong? Or did the stars not fit together? Or maybe there was simply nothing? And by the way, where is the photo of the destroyed objects? Or do not want to show because most of the missiles were shot down and the damage does not match 70 missiles fired? Radar from the S-200 can not show.
            1. Business trip
              Business trip 12 May 2018 13: 30
              +2
              Well, actually, I think the Jews threw a good advertisement for the Shell with this video. So much "noise" and "delight" after the destruction of the unarmed Shell makes an honor to this SAM
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 12 May 2018 13: 39
                +1
                Yes, the armor is good in terms of performance, according to the stories of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. But it was worth getting the real state of things, photos and videos .... It is clear that the armor is good under a huge number of conditions, a trained crew, organized interaction of all complexes and units, the absence of a large number of LCs, the absence of several waves of attack, continue? That is, it is good against an inexperienced opponent .... This is my objective assessment. And subjective, one of the best armor for the kind of tasks that must be performed.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 13: 42
                  +4
                  Quote: Shahno
                  That is, it is good against an inexperienced opponent ...

                  And here is the "sophistication" of the enemy, tell me grace?
                  In this particular case, it doesn’t matter at all what stood there: Shell, or a cart with manure. A car without a crew is always a target. Fixed besides. No more.
                  Judging by this case the advantages and disadvantages of the Shell ... IMHO is silly.
                  Like this request
                  1. Shahno
                    Shahno 12 May 2018 13: 54
                    +1
                    Well, and why does the complex, and what’s enough of a worthy adversary, becomes a cart ... Or, naively, do you think to see the battle where f 16 staged a shootout with s-200, carapace, beech. Otherwise, this story looks like the cart left the stable, the groom called the base, urgently wet it ... The UAV flew out and destroyed the cart or carts. Well, at least in your interpretation, they do not really correspond to the combat situation that was.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 14: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: Shahno
                      why the complex ... becomes a cart ...

                      I have already said why. I repeat: put in a clean field, and they went for a walk. This is in fact if.
                      Why this miracle took place - they will understand ... to whom it is supposed, and to whom it is supposed, the results will be reported.
                      Neither I, nor you, are included in the number of the said "positonists," as I understand it.
                      And to crush water in a mortar - I see no reason.
                      The only thing I want to repeat is this particular episode does not say anything about the combat properties of the machine. From the word "completely" yes
      3. Totah155
        Totah155 12 May 2018 09: 55
        +1
        And how long can this device be in readiness after connecting an ampoule (or here not like in Arrow)?
  7. ver_
    ver_ 12 May 2018 07: 53
    +4
    Quote: Yak28
    What does the photo of the Shell in Syria tell about?
    Nothing, any air defense system can be destroyed, or any aircraft shot down, and how Arabs are at war, everyone knows

    ... on camels, they succeed very well .., and the camel himself at the call of the owner * is *, he must not run away before him ..
  8. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 12 May 2018 07: 56
    +9
    The rocket, judging by its twitched flight path, was controlled by the operator on the final flight path! The complex, judging by the photo, received non-critical damage, and is clearly suitable for restoration. By the way, there was a variant of installation on the “Shell” and not only metal-ceramic armor, but they refused it, fearing that the weight of the complex would greatly increase, and this would affect driving performance. It’s in vain that they didn’t put mounted armor, or even screens, then the rocket would not have caused such damage.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 12 May 2018 14: 07
      +2
      Quote: ANCIENT
      It’s in vain that they didn’t put mounted armor, or even screens, then the rocket would not have caused such damage

      Sorry, sorry, complete.
      Quote: ANCIENT
      rehabilitated ... non-credential ... restoration ... grow

      Damn, put a spell checker already, be fooled ... nipadecki laughing
      1. Grandfather Makar
        Grandfather Makar 12 May 2018 15: 42
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Damn, put a spell checker already, be fooled ... nipadecki

        Here I am watching you ... Liberast concrete! And I’ve taken the lead straight and you will teach many here even .. Well done! hi Pure balabol! (judging that there are no publications at all))))
        Tomorrow I’ll do the Jackie Chan ...
        I like your slogan
        I do not believe in God, I do not believe in government, I do not believe in anyone. I believe only in my own strength.

        And then I look, you here began to teach members of the forum ..? Oh well ..
  9. Simon
    Simon 12 May 2018 07: 59
    +15
    It is clearly seen in the photo that all SAM missiles were fired (carbon deposits on the pipes), the radar was not in the active position, the hydraulic strut was raised (it was lowered during preparation for firing and stabilized the machine). -“It looks like they were catching air defense missile systems with fired missiles and in transport condition, and they hit him!” Otherwise, he would have shot down this drone.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 12 May 2018 09: 29
      +4
      Quote: Simon
      It is clearly seen in the photo that all SAM missiles were fired (carbon deposits on the pipes), the radar was not in the active position, the hydraulic strut was raised (it was lowered during preparation for firing and stabilized the machine). -“It looks like they were catching air defense missile systems with fired missiles and in transport condition, and they hit him!” Otherwise, he would have shot down this drone.


      It doesn’t matter what they caught and by what means they achieved destruction.
      They got the result.
      About any honor. valor. knightly rules in war should not be.
      And the one who tries to play chivalry is destroyed by the dead.
      And the one who begins to talk about the chivalrous rules of conduct during the war should be exiled to the mines for the rest of his life.
      Without the right to children - that would not continue his family more such fools.
      For war.
      Look at the history of modern wars starting from the second world war.
      All really effective operations were prepared due to the fact that the enemy destroyed the rear and communications.
      The advanced units remained on a starvation diet. In the literal and figurative sense.

      Animals have the same thing.
      Higher predators very rarely go for a direct collision.
      Wolves drive an elk to its complete exhaustion.
      Killer whales heat the whales, preventing them from breathing.
      Leopards are ambushed in the grass or on top of branches.
      Polar bears guard and holes.
      Because. that you need a result.
      Not a fight.
      The fact of a thoughtless fight can turn into a pitiable for the strong.
      People from the time of the Napoleonic Wars did understand this.
  10. Simon
    Simon 12 May 2018 08: 01
    +3
    Quote: PSih2097
    Quote: Dashout
    Apparently, they (Armor) in a pair should work to cover each other for a reload time

    in theory, the air defense should be layered, S-300/400 - Buk - Carapace / Tunguska and Tor / Strela 10, and, accordingly, the radar complex "Sky - NE" ... soldier

    Apparently he was sent alone, without cover!
  11. Essex62
    Essex62 12 May 2018 08: 05
    +8
    You can destroy any equipment. Another aspect is not clear - the Jews are attacking the sovereign territory of an ally, and ours on Red Square with their leader is vouching. Somehow not all of this.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 May 2018 08: 07
      +7
      and ours on Red Square with their leader pins. Somehow not all of this.

      And ours assesses the situation as a chess game ... sacrifice a pawn or an elephant what .
      in order to save the king ... as I understand it, Netanyahu suggested something in return for the GDP ... heh heh politics do you understand ... you tell me.
      1. I am Russian
        I am Russian 12 May 2018 08: 37
        +1
        adherent of the HSP? Oh well..
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 12 May 2018 09: 09
      +5
      Quote: Essex62
      Another aspect is not clear-the Jews attack the sovereign territory of the ally, and ours on Red Square with their leader pledges.

      And how do you know which of them two is a greater ally
  12. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 12 May 2018 08: 07
    +15
    Yesterday, a user from Israel happily sang a nightingale on the site, here we are, like 4 of your "Shells" with our super-super-powerful rockets into small particles, they smashed into the mesic atoms, and now it’s weak like we say "answer to the market"? fool am
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 May 2018 08: 17
      +9
      one user from Israel happily sang with a nightingale, here we are like 4 of your "Shells" with our super-super-powerful rockets into small particles, smashed into mesic atoms


      Yes ... Jewish sites are now celebrating ... they have covered the whole Shell ...
      But it must be assumed that the war of Israeli rockets and Syrian armor is just beginning.
      For me, the question is not so ...
      how to stop Israeli air raids on the territory of Syria ... it is obvious that one must meet Israel’s combat aircraft over Israeli territory with missiles.
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 12 May 2018 08: 22
        +9
        Alexey hi I completely agree with your conclusions! An urgent need to begin to “land forever” the aircraft of the aggressor bombing the destroyed Syria!
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 12 May 2018 11: 49
        +2
        As for me, the "Iskanders" should be sent to Syria so that they immediately send an answer and place them correctly covering and masking and not like this "carapace".
  13. BAI
    BAI 12 May 2018 08: 10
    +4
    What the photo tells about - but nothing!
    Neither "Armor", nor "Triumphs", nor "Torahs" should be perceived as some kind of kladens swords, capable of scattering any enemy in different directions. The listed systems are just an element of a properly organized and built air defense system, and personnel should be highly trained.
    Finally, there are simply no "unkillable" air defense systems and air defense systems. Each of them has both advantages and disadvantages.
    1. Merold
      Merold 12 May 2018 09: 01
      0
      Quote: BAI
      What the photo tells about - but nothing!
      Neither "Armor", nor "Triumphs", nor "Torahs" should be perceived as some kind of kladens swords, capable of scattering any enemy in different directions. The listed systems are just an element of a properly organized and built air defense system, and personnel should be highly trained.
      Finally, there are simply no "unkillable" air defense systems and air defense systems. Each of them has both advantages and disadvantages.

      This is from the article.
      Backstab: Why the Carapace was taken by surprise
      https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2018/05/11/11747443.sh
      tml? updated

      where is Mikhail Khodarenok complaining again about “dishonest Jews” who are again dishonestly fighting?
      But, by and large, the Israeli strike is a stealth strike.

      crying
  14. Hikaro
    Hikaro 12 May 2018 08: 15
    +8
    There is no doubt that the Jews worked clearly, destroying the elements of air defense of Syria! But do not forget that in Syria there is no layered system, single complexes, and even without cover, this is an excellent target. So the cheers of the professor is not an argument! The argument is different. The war with Iran is not the best scenario for Israel! And the fact that Russia postponed the supply of S-300 should be seen as a chance for Israel to maintain a balance of power. I hope the Jews will still be wise and will not escalate the situation and incite the United States to war with Iran! And yet, the last Israel and Russia in that region are not friends and partners! We have different goals! Israel is an adversary for Russia !! Cruel, cold-blooded, unprincipled, and quite dangerous! We must clearly understand this and be prepared for any development of the situation!
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 12 May 2018 08: 24
      +4
      Discover the secret - what are your conclusions drawn from? One machine without ammunition and crew inside is all Syrian air defense? And as for the policy of Israel, for a start they want to dominate the region, and they will escalate the situation like that! In essence, the US aggression against Iran becomes inevitable!
    2. impostor
      impostor 12 May 2018 08: 24
      +1
      Israel is an adversary for Russia !! Cruel, cold-blooded, unprincipled, and quite dangerous!

      Apparently for this reason Benya was on Red Square on May 9? Keep your friend close and your enemy even closer? And pay him (the enemy) pay regularly.
  15. Flyer_64
    Flyer_64 12 May 2018 08: 20
    +4
    The GDP and Mitonyahu are watching the parades, and the Israeli army is fighting against us in Syria. The era of double standards. The Syrian war is all against everyone.
  16. impostor
    impostor 12 May 2018 08: 21
    +4
    The most important thing here is commercial reputation, brand prestige. Therefore, he was unarmed, was not - it does not matter. It is important to disclose the IDF iron dome or patriot. Just the same, under the video.
  17. Simon
    Simon 12 May 2018 08: 22
    +2
    Quote: Yak28
    What does the photo of the Shell in Syria tell about?
    Nothing, any air defense system can be destroyed, or any aircraft shot down, and how Arabs are at war, everyone knows

    At least, the Syrians have already learned to fight well, better than when the Ishilovites captured more of the country.
  18. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 12 May 2018 08: 25
    +6
    Jews also need to understand, they always have a question of survival in the Arab Sea. Therefore, always working in anticipation is the only right decision for them.
    1. cedar
      cedar 12 May 2018 08: 36
      0
      And who is not standing next to such a toothy mouth ..?
  19. Maximys
    Maximys 12 May 2018 08: 31
    +1
    Israel feels permissiveness, not only do they calmly attack military facilities in the territory of a neighboring state. So also destroy air defense forces of Syria, right under Damascus. They have that official war with the Syrian Arab Republic. Or in this Syrian meat grinder, all means and goals for defeat are good. With all due respect to the Israelis, they must be severely punished for such actions.
  20. Rider
    Rider 12 May 2018 08: 33
    +6
    Having fired back, you must probably hide it, go to a shelter for reloading. And then arrange a smoke break.
    1. Corporal Pupkin
      Corporal Pupkin 12 May 2018 11: 43
      0
      Well, like: "Smoke break, wait until BC bring up!"
    2. Bad thing
      Bad thing 14 May 2018 15: 12
      0
      1. Could get a "hang up" command from the CP and relax.
      2. Could have been “on the wires” (communication with the control gear, powered by PES), so they stood waiting for the transformer substation.
      3. Could go to the recharge area and wait for the arrival of TZM.
      4. They could break down when changing positions and wait for technical assistance. (As an option, the module is in the stowed position, the radar antenna is operational, but does not rotate).
      As a rule, the crew is disciplined, which they will order and do more questions about the organization of hostilities by the senior commander.
  21. Samara_63
    Samara_63 12 May 2018 08: 41
    +4
    Syrians and air defense are incompatible in principle ...
    1. Bad thing
      Bad thing 14 May 2018 15: 14
      0
      Sami to air defense what side?
  22. Sarcasm
    Sarcasm 12 May 2018 08: 44
    +2
    The Israelis didn’t score the technique; they need to learn from the generosity of the Americans
    1. loki565
      loki565 12 May 2018 09: 03
      0
      Well, the United States has a different alignment, where the more money they spend, the more they may demand from Congress next year))) A freebie there constantly prints)))
  23. MadCat
    MadCat 12 May 2018 08: 46
    0
    In fact, 4 shells were destroyed, but who cares about such trifles? Why does the author think that the photo is of the same shell? wink
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 12 May 2018 09: 05
      +5
      Why not all 40? Please give a photo of all the burnt 4 complexes, otherwise there is only one with non-fatal damage. 48 hours to repair, and the complex is back in service! I look forward to the photo of the other three "Shells"!
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 12 May 2018 09: 09
        +3
        Quote: ANCIENT
        Why not all 40? Please give a photo of all the burnt 4 complexes, otherwise there is only one with non-fatal damage. 48 hours to repair, and the complex is back in service! I look forward to the photo of the other three "Shells"!

        Well, yes, behind the condemnation of the only shell of the elephant, that is, 50 objects that were successfully destroyed were not noticed ... request
        1. ANCIENT
          ANCIENT 12 May 2018 09: 45
          +4
          So what about 4 or 40 “Pantsir” complexes “spaced apart into molecules” —there’s a battery on the phone, you have an old type camera in your phone, a film camera, and you used it all for other purposes before? Photo where? And will they be from the word in general? ??
      2. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil 12 May 2018 09: 43
        0
        In 48 hours and the new fighting compartment will grow? And the near explosion on the radar probably didn’t affect
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 May 2018 10: 17
        0
        This complex cannot be restored - as everything on it is deformed by the shock wave.
        1. ANCIENT
          ANCIENT 12 May 2018 10: 31
          +3
          Vadim, were you inside the complex, saw its damage? If necessary, it can really be restored in 48 hours!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 12 May 2018 10: 54
            +1
            "If necessary, it can really be restored in 48 hours!" - It's fantastic, everything is damaged by the explosion and everything needs to be replaced - this complex will go to spare parts rather than be restored.
          2. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil 12 May 2018 11: 10
            +3
            And you can’t get inside the complex anymore, the fighting compartment is destroyed
            1. ANCIENT
              ANCIENT 12 May 2018 11: 30
              +3
              This view in the photo is unsuccessful, it is impossible to consider the exact damage to the complex! There would be a photo cleanly from the side, front and back! But they will not be laid out precisely for the reason that it was impossible to assess the damage received by the machine! I’m more than sure the “Shell” can really be restored! From the information that I have, the car, or rather its "filling" has some protection, including from light missiles! To know what beat him!
              1. Mimoprohodil
                Mimoprohodil 12 May 2018 11: 36
                +5
                Go to the optometrist. The fighting compartment is destroyed.
                1. ANCIENT
                  ANCIENT 12 May 2018 12: 32
                  +2
                  I don’t advise to be rude, because I can answer so remember for a long time! sad
                  1. Ivan Tarava
                    Ivan Tarava 12 May 2018 12: 56
                    +3
                    You would be watching yourself. There are many of us here. Then you don’t even remember who. No one was rude to you, they poked you into your untruth.
                2. ghby
                  ghby 12 May 2018 14: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Mimoprohodil
                  Go to the optometrist. The fighting compartment is destroyed.

                  In the repair, dismantled. Refute this statement.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 12 May 2018 17: 22
                    +1
                    "Under repair, dismantled." And the same crew "dismantled".
          3. Bad thing
            Bad thing 14 May 2018 22: 39
            0
            95% that according to the results of defect detection will be transferred to the 5th category and written off, because a new one will be cheaper to build.
  24. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 12 May 2018 08: 48
    0
    However, CONCERN. .... Veiled Deza
  25. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 12 May 2018 08: 50
    +10
    In any case, it is necessary to review the logistics of the spent Shell: - Arming, smoke screening, monitoring the nearest air situation, fast reloading of bk, cannon installation insurance after firing missiles, a quick change of position or even a retreat to a sheltered shelter, etc. It is not worth scattering with such equipment. And so - they did the thing, and just went to smoke.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 12 May 2018 11: 52
      0
      The USSR supplying Arabs with free equipment in huge quantities and taught them how to scatter technology.
  26. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 12 May 2018 08: 51
    0
    Are there still pictures from other angles?
    I don’t understand. Is there a cabin on the right?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2018 17: 24
      0
      Cabin - capsized.
  27. demo
    demo 12 May 2018 08: 55
    +6
    If we summarize everything that the author cited in the text, then this picture develops.
    In the sky of Syria, quite freely, without any interference, the drones of the neighboring state - Israel fly.
    At the same time, as in the exercises, someone scrupulously counted the number of missiles fired by the complex and informed the enemy of the absence of danger and the ability to defend themselves.
    Calculation of the complex is in the "clean field" for no reason and without movement.
    No one finds it necessary to find at least some shelter or create at least some kind of disguise.
    Is it only to me that with the combat and tactical training the Syrians have serious gaps?
    So they can lose a lot of things.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 12 May 2018 09: 14
      +2
      Add also that since there were no reports of Israel’s losses (and nobody seemed to have seen the Barmalean Air Force so far), the missiles were fired "nowhere." That is, the damage account turned out to be almost dry (except to add the cost of Spike to the enemy’s losses).
      1. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 12 May 2018 10: 36
        +3
        UAZ 452-Israel will never recognize its losses. Only if we say, show them downed rocket or its fragments with numbers, but they simply can’t put anything on rockets. And given the war, say the wreckage of a downed drone, it will be simply impossible to get it — it fell into the sea, or on the territory of militants!
    2. seos
      seos 12 May 2018 10: 11
      0
      The problem with them is that having an enemy state close by they could not even think out defense for 80 years ...
      Everyone knows that Israel is crammed with high-precision radio-controlled weapons .... was it really impossible to find Zamshut with a secondary technical education in all of Syria who could develop jammers to combat these weapons?
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 13 May 2018 03: 35
        0
        Quote: seos
        It was impossible for Syria to find Zamshut with a secondary technical education who could develop jammers to combat these weapons?

        How can you put it mildly, in general, Syria is a stone age in comparison with the development of the Israeli defense industry. PTUshnik with magical EW, this already applies to Scheherazade's tales.
  28. Shahno
    Shahno 12 May 2018 08: 55
    +2
    Well, other damaged shells appeared.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 12 May 2018 09: 16
      +1
      I mean - others?
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 12 May 2018 09: 21
        0
        I mean, it’s not clear whether this is a damaged armor. I think they won’t show more than one, the Syrians .... If it weren’t for our luck, they would not have shown it.
        1. Ivan Tarava
          Ivan Tarava 12 May 2018 12: 57
          0
          And what did the blow to the Shell mean in general? What were the motives? He fired at planes that flew in Israel?
    2. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 12 May 2018 09: 20
      +6
      Please show their photos from different angles, and so that numbers or other identification marks were visible! And then one complex can be photographed 100 times, and put his photo as a photo of 100 complexes! I look forward to seeing photos of the rest of the “Shells” from you! Oh, I forgot the main thing — you seemed to say yesterday that the “Shells” were DISAPPEARED, and now you’ve suddenly “DAMAGED”! ??
  29. Abram
    Abram 12 May 2018 09: 02
    +1
    the ammunition was shot, well, they would have shown the result of what they hit. on the Zvezda channel what beautiful odes sang - "hits the target a little more than a glass in size!" probably everything that arrives is always a little less than a glass smile
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 12 May 2018 09: 26
      +4
      The Syrian crew of the tank in the T90 tank "Shtora" forget to turn it on normally, they need to be reminded of everything 500 times! Therefore, if the complex does not have the heels of the included cameras, you won’t get anything! belay
  30. XXXIII
    XXXIII 12 May 2018 09: 04
    +8
    as a result of the attack on the "Shell-C1", a CAA officer was killed Ali Mustafa
    Everything is clear with the technology, they will do it, replace it, restore it, the most important question is why the lieutenant ran to the car, saw a rocket, an UAV .... request
    And Lieutenant Ali Mustafa apparently ran to save the equipment and gave his life for the fighting vehicle!
    Condolences to family and friends ...... hi.....
    Most likely there were cartridges in the trunks, I thought I’d have time to press on the automatic target shooting, I’m sorry for the guy, I gave my whole life to save the car ..... soldier
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2018 10: 19
      +1
      His death was in vain - the complex was destroyed, along with Mustafa.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 12 May 2018 10: 32
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        His death was in vain - the complex was destroyed, along with Mustafa.

        Yes, it may be so, but still he did not leave the car, but tried to save, there is always a chance, he just didn’t have time ....
    2. loki565
      loki565 12 May 2018 12: 34
      +2
      The missile launcher was shot, the radar was in the stowed position, so that everything would take time to start .. It was necessary to change the location, and false targets in the form of inflatable mockups (which we had so maliciously laughed at) with such a resolution of the cameras, and even time no. So if there were two three inflatable maetas nearby, the real one had a chance of survival ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 May 2018 14: 36
        +1
        Already passed - no man, no complex.
      2. MadCat
        MadCat 12 May 2018 16: 26
        0
        Quote: loki565
        The missile launcher was shot, the radar was in the stowed position, so that everything would take time to start .. It was necessary to change the location, and false targets in the form of inflatable mockups (which we had so maliciously laughed at) with such a resolution of the cameras, and even time no. So if there were two three inflatable maetas nearby, the real one had a chance of survival ...

        The missile is induced in a different range, you can’t make out anything, in fact the picture is more than decent both in contrast and content. In addition, it is cut when transmitting from a distance, do not you think that the communication channel is unlimited? lol
  31. Shahno
    Shahno 12 May 2018 09: 07
    0
    Harop, tamuz, or all together ... Well, the taiset and malatim (in 200 there are many different toys) worked out the interaction when overcoming the enemy’s air defense .....
  32. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 12 May 2018 09: 08
    0
    Arab sources citing Syrian troops say that the attack was carried out using drones. It is stated that we are talking about a kamikaze UAV armed with explosive ordnance.

    An UAV armed with ammunition for a volumetric explosion differs from a cruise missile in its potential reusability only if it does not find a worthy target and, accordingly, the ability to barrage over a combat area in search or expectation.
  33. q75agent
    q75agent 12 May 2018 09: 11
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    there is nothing to say?
    Poke with your mom, but you will come to me

    He turned to YOU ​​on you, although with glasses, but you don’t know how to read wink and I’m simple and not afraid of ban, in the Jewish way we will get a new acc if that bully , for your koment you not only need to speak, but also to the snout angry sit there on the couch and don’t blather
  34. APASUS
    APASUS 12 May 2018 09: 12
    +6
    I doubt about the reliability of this photo:
    1 Cab tilted, not torn apart by an explosion
    2 The image quality is reduced, which does not allow talking about real damage, although now any phone makes pictures better
    3 Apparently, the “charge" is in the opposite direction, it is just not visible.
    There is nothing to discuss so far.
  35. Normal ok
    Normal ok 12 May 2018 09: 13
    +5
    The photograph clearly shows that all missiles SAMS shot (soot on the pipes),

    Damn, because Israel immediately stated that the strike was on air defense missiles that attacked Israeli missiles. It is clear that the Shell in this case was "empty", because he had already fired at the rockets. This only confirms the Israeli version.
  36. Gepard
    Gepard 12 May 2018 09: 18
    +1
    Why didn’t the guns fire?
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 12 May 2018 09: 48
      +4
      Maybe because of the lack of ammunition, and the crew was not in the complex! They shot, as in an exercise, an empty, stationary car.
    2. LMN
      LMN 12 May 2018 10: 09
      +5
      Quote: Gepard
      Why didn’t the guns fire?

      The second day we are talking about this.
      Who was supposed to use the guns if the whole calculation was missing ?!
      1. Ivan Tarava
        Ivan Tarava 12 May 2018 13: 00
        +1
        here many say that he generally knows how to shoot everything down without people.
        1. Bad thing
          Bad thing 14 May 2018 15: 32
          0
          Depends on modification.
  37. Azazelo
    Azazelo 12 May 2018 09: 25
    +3
    It is necessary to put the Iskanders in Syria. And then all this kipesh will immediately end.
    1. Ivan Tarava
      Ivan Tarava 12 May 2018 13: 06
      +2
      Well, at best, they will just stand there, at worst they will suffer the same fate as the Shell. The Jews will say: we were scared of him, we thought that he would shoot at Tel Aviv and destroyed him. Russia has already proven that under no circumstances will Israel anger. Half of the Kremlin are Jews, what are you talking about.
  38. ventel
    ventel 12 May 2018 09: 35
    +2
    Quote: ZVO
    .

    I put you + and then I read some comments and apart from stupid answers and can’t write anything, everyone repeats the same thing. But literally half a year ago, here, one commentator revealed that artillery and anti-aircraft schools are full of Syrian cadets. And I'm sure to be a Russian calculation, it would also be itself after all you read the commentators a lot of arguments, excuses, but not one did not ask what students are and accountants.
  39. Makso melan
    Makso melan 12 May 2018 09: 38
    0
    Well, I went for BK or where else but what about the 30mm gun? Why didn’t they shoot back? Well, and yet after all, someone had to cover up? While one is on reload. Well, among other things, it would be nice to provide a shell With a smoke screen. Or helicopter protection "president" with laser interference.
    1. Ivan Tarava
      Ivan Tarava 12 May 2018 13: 13
      0
      They rested. Well, they do not know how to fight, well, demand a lot from them. They were told to go in helmets and body armor, they told us hard, they were told not to open the hatches in the tanks, it’s hot for us, carry first-aid kits, and then put a thermos with tea mate where to put it.
  40. Strips
    Strips 12 May 2018 09: 49
    +5
    Shell-C1 - Ammunition:
    12 missiles 57E6-E, 1400 shells.

    Where did he shoot 12 rockets?
    Maybe even part of the shells?

    Shot in the air and went to smoke? If there are such sculptures, then the air defense will not last long and it is not surprising that Israel claims to have hit a lot of targets, and Russia's statements about so many Israeli missiles shot down do not hold water.

    However, Iran’s statement also speaks of this:
    . “Iran is not interested in new tensions in the region,” Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said in a telephone conversation with German Chancellor Angela Merkel today.


    That is, Iran received well.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 12 May 2018 10: 20
      +3
      Quote: Tiras
      That is, Iran received well.

      All believe in fairy tales .... laughing
      They began to trust Iran ??? wassat
      Quote: Tiras
      “Iran is not interested in new tensions in the region,” Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said in a telephone conversation with German Chancellor Angela Merkel today.

      This talk was about a nuclear deal ... fellow
      The goals were amazed, since there are no missiles, just the supply in Syria of such weapons is not so large that it works more broadly .. For you, this is not the best option if Assad builds defense, and Iran takes advantage and attacks Israel secretly. Thus, Iran will win in Syria, and the Germans or you, Iran will wage war on foreign territory against you, we do not need this alignment. Therefore, we criticize you and at the same time have a dialogue, it’s good that it turns out. hi
      1. Strips
        Strips 12 May 2018 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: XXXIII
        All believe in fairy tales ....
        They began to trust Iran ???


        When the one who is least interested in this cries, then yes.


        Quote: XXXIII
        This talk was about a nuclear deal ...


        No. You probably missed the word "region" and when it was said wassat



        Quote: XXXIII
        The goals hit, since there are no missiles


        Yes of course.
        Hit the target.
        Here Israel hit the target. So much so that the Iranians strained and a lot.


        Quote: XXXIII
        The goals were amazed, since there are no missiles, just the stock in Syria of such weapons is not so large as to work more widely ..


        Really? Syria still has enough air defense

        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Войска_противовоз
        Syria’s stuffy defense

        . How much shell is there?
      2. Strips
        Strips 12 May 2018 11: 07
        +1
        By the way, Russia said that Israel hit 70 missiles.
        Even imagine a fantastic story about half shot down, that is 35 shot down.

        Look at the map of Israel’s attacks, look at the range of the Carapace and it will also become clear that even if the carapace fired at targets, very few missiles flew into its range, if at all it worked all 12 missiles into milk, if not all.
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 12 May 2018 11: 49
          +2
          Quote: Tiras
          By the way, Russia said that Israel hit 70 missiles.
          Even imagine a fantastic story about half shot down, that is 35 shot down.

          Well, when attacking one target, they usually shoot two, for a hundred percent probability of defeat. Perhaps there weren’t enough missiles or little was prepared for reflection, I know about 36 SAM Shell1 and 700 missiles bought by Syria, how many were in combat order is unknown. request
  41. Baby sitter
    Baby sitter 12 May 2018 09: 52
    +1
    And this is exactly the Shell, and not a dummy rubber (wooden)? The desert .... and in the middle - the armor! ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 May 2018 10: 20
      +1
      The most real ZRPK - or rather it was them.
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 12 May 2018 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Baby sitter
      And this is exactly the Carapace, not dummy rubber (wood)? The desert .... and in the middle - the armor! ..

      Yes, Photoshop technologists are now much better now, everything can be, but who can say this ..... yes
  42. Shahno
    Shahno 12 May 2018 10: 03
    0
    This complex was located at the Mezze, 30 km from the Golan .... I wonder how the harop penetrated there, without suppressing other armor? Or did they enthusiastically carry the UAV to Damascus?
  43. Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 12 May 2018 10: 04
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    The defeat of our army means the end of the state and the total destruction of our people. We will not be captured and our smys in the "occupied territory" will not live more than one day. They’ll just be cut out. And therefore, defeat is not an option.


    Hey, you, dofiga, have you resisted in your entire history? Only now, having a roof, you blather and jackal. You’ll be the first to slander under the Arab if the army runs away and you watch women and children being cut out.
    1. Strips
      Strips 12 May 2018 10: 06
      +3
      Do not judge people by yourself hi
    2. Merold
      Merold 12 May 2018 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: Absurdidat

      Only now, having a roof, you blather and jackal.

      Can you even have ONE example of how the “roof” helped Israel in the database? Just don't merge quickly.
    3. XXXIII
      XXXIII 12 May 2018 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: Absurdidat
      Quote: Professor
      The defeat of our army means the end of the state and the total destruction of our people. We will not be captured and our smys in the "occupied territory" will not live more than one day. They’ll just be cut out. And therefore, defeat is not an option.


      Hey, you, dofiga, have you resisted in your entire history? Only now, having a roof, you blather and jackal. You’ll be the first to slander under the Arab if the army runs away and you watch women and children being cut out.

      In some ways, there is some truth, not all Jews consider Israel their home ..... crying
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 May 2018 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: XXXIII
        In some ways, there is some truth, not all Jews consider Israel their home .....

        Tell you in which direction to get tickets when the war in Israel begins. By the way, millions of Russians who left Russia do not consider it their home ... Will we draw conclusions?
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 12 May 2018 12: 17
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Tell you in which direction to get tickets when the war in Israel begins. By the way, millions of Russians who left Russia do not consider it their home ... Will we draw conclusions?
          Do you want to say that there are no deserters in the Jewish army, and indeed in Israel ?! I don’t blame you for anything yet, but you have deserters .... yes
          Laws, that is, they apply .... hi
          One of the most important mitigating circumstances is the status of the accused, that is, the type of service with which he defected - the usual urgent (“share the sir”), the usual reservist (“share the miluim”) or urgent, but shortened (called “slam bet” in the army jargon ").
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 May 2018 14: 34
            +4
            Quote: XXXIII
            Do you want to say that there are no deserters in the Jewish army, and indeed in Israel ?! I don’t blame you for anything yet, but you have deserters ....

            There are deserters in all armies. Thank you for not blaming me. I’ll sleep better now. By the way, during the mobilization in our battalion, 2006% of the staff arrived at 110. Even those who did not appear at the 16 training camp for years have arrived.

            Quote: farcop
            The Arab worldview is pure, the only question is whether you Arabs taught this to you or they you or you are an Arab.

            ... or we know who we are dealing with. The Vogel family is an example to you.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 12 May 2018 15: 17
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Thank you for not blaming me.
              You are welcome.... hi
              His among his ....
              Scandal: David Friedman financed terrorists before being appointed ambassador to Israel
              The Komimit organization unites followers Rava Kahanebeing the successor to a banned terrorist organization in Israel Kahane Hai. The US State Department website provides a long list of other names and incarnations of Kahane Hai, including the Comedy Movement. https://news.israelinfo.co.il/politics/72122

              The Kah Movement (Hebrew כ"ך) is a radical religious-nationalist political movement in Israel. The Kah and Kahane Hai were outlawed in connection with the expression of approval of the attack in the cave of Machpela by Baruch Goldstein, representing “Kakh” in the local council. Subsequently, both movements were recognized as terrorist in a number of countries and ceased to exist.
              1. Professor
                Professor 12 May 2018 18: 14
                +1
                Quote: XXXIII
                The Kah Movement (Hebrew כ"ך) is a radical religious-nationalist political movement in Israel. The Kah and Kahane Hai were outlawed in connection with the expression of approval of the attack in the cave of Machpela by Baruch Goldstein, representing “Kakh” in the local council. Subsequently, both movements were recognized as terrorist in a number of countries and ceased to exist.

                What Please"?
                1. This movement is not recognized by Russia as terrorist.
                2. He collaborated with this movement before it was outlawed in Israel. Not "terrorist", but only outlawed.
                3. What is the connection with the topic under discussion?
    4. farcop
      farcop 12 May 2018 12: 23
      0
      Quote: Absurdidat
      Quote: Professor
      The defeat of our army means the end of the state and the total destruction of our people. We will not be captured and our smys in the "occupied territory" will not live more than one day. They’ll just be cut out. And therefore, defeat is not an option.


      Hey, you, dofiga, have you resisted in your entire history? Only now, having a roof, you blather and jackal. You’ll be the first to slander under the Arab if the army runs away and you watch women and children being cut out.

      The Arab worldview is pure, the only question is whether you Arabs taught this to you or they you or you are an Arab.
  44. The comment was deleted.
    1. Strips
      Strips 12 May 2018 10: 09
      +1
      The wild joy of the Jews, about which the Jews themselves are not aware, is spread unclear by whom and it is not clear why. Although no, why is it clear that against this background there is something to write negative about Israel.
      1. dojjdik
        dojjdik 12 May 2018 10: 25
        +4
        and you Jews get tombs too, among the igilovites you are many; and your lackeys americans also already got a lot of coffins
        1. Strips
          Strips 12 May 2018 11: 40
          +1
          Quote: dojjdik
          among the igilovites you are many; and


          And as usual empty words and zero facts lol


          Quote: dojjdik
          and your lackeys americans also already got a lot of coffins


          Many have received the coffins in Syria.
  45. Zina389
    Zina389 12 May 2018 10: 14
    +1
    Why did Mustafa run to the car if the ammunition was used up? Forgot Assad's portrait?
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 12 May 2018 10: 17
      0
      I don’t know either. Probably wanted to immediately die a hero .. And then Harop .. by the way. Arabs. All at the wrong time.
    2. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 12 May 2018 10: 41
      +8
      Is it possible without stupid sacrilege towards the dead man? Though both people didn’t try to stay in something?
  46. AshiSolo
    AshiSolo 12 May 2018 10: 18
    +4
    Quote: Professor


    He had nothing to repel the attack

    Well, that justifies him. He shot ammunition in milk and got what he deserved.

    At that moment, the Israeli military carried out an attack on the ZRPK, having waited for the right moment.

    Well done. What else do you say?



    Syrian air defense system, which shot ammunition from Syrian land on Israeli missiles. According to merit. I had a better opinion of you.

    When you "get what you deserve", dear "well done", do not shout, "Are we for what?"
  47. Old26
    Old26 12 May 2018 10: 49
    +2
    Quote: Muvka
    As I said yesterday, the explosive in the spike is clearly not enough to destroy the shell, so it will be repaired. By the way, why no one but me asked this question? That the rocket is weak ...

    Namesake! 6 kg of explosives (while it is not known which one) is possible, taking into account TNTE and not 6 kg will be, but more for an unarmored vehicle is enough. After all, no one says that it is necessary that the car be smashed into rubbish. It is enough to strike at, say, the radar block of this machine so that it is incapacitated.

    Thus, one of the assumptions is confirmed: the attack on the Pantsir-С1 was carried out after it became clear that he had shot his own ammunition. He had nothing to repel the attack. In all likelihood, the CAA soldiers raised the rack to go to recharge. At this point, the Israeli military and carried out an attack ZRPK, waiting for the right moment.

    No one denies that at that moment the machine was "Inactive", but immediately a bunch of questions arise. Okay, you shot at targets and are waiting for TZM. But you just left the battlefield. And so the questions are:
    1. Why the car is "like in parade", the combat module in transport position. As I understand it, "in sausage scraps" a combat vehicle after its ammunition has been used up should not ride recharged.. For this, batteries from 4 combat vehicles exist TWO transport and loading vehicles That is, she should have been in position, waiting for the TZM approach in a combat position.
    2. In this situation, at least the radar should have been activated for her. I do not believe that they not only shot all the rockets, but almost 3 thousand shells were fired before the last shell (2800 to be exact).

    The car is standing on the strip of the airfield as if nothing was happening around, everything is quiet and the crew decided to arrange a smoke break for themselves. Is this not a mess. All the conversations that the Israelis shot at an unprepared installation and all the rest - or as someone in one of the topics wrote that shooting at an unprepared installation is the same as hitting a lying shovel - all this is talk and nothing more. Countries are at war and destroy enemy equipment when it is beneficial to them. This, alas, is an axiom. No one will wait. Your opponent will recharge and only then attack him ...

    Quote: Ded-Makar
    Because your brother somehow does not enthusiastically and earnestly comment on all of this .. You know that Akilla missed! And the Syrians do not hold the sky bad ..

    With their checker Vitaliy, with a checker. probably you will believe them only if you yourself will be sitting in the affected car ....
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 12 May 2018 12: 22
      +1
      Why the car is "like in parade", the combat module in transport position. As far as I understand, “in sausage scraps”, a combat vehicle should not go recharged after using its ammunition load. For this, TWO transport-loading vehicles exist in batteries from 4 combat vehicles. That is, it should have been in position, waiting for the approach TZM.

      I will venture to dream:
      Perhaps there was no TZM, and there was nothing to recharge it with either. And there wasn’t any battery capable of covering either - either they all fired, or they are all standing alone there ... there are only 44 of them ... well, 11 batteries, not a few at all.
  48. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 12 May 2018 10: 54
    +1
    those. not destroyed but damaged and is subject to restoration repair (!)
    1. Strips
      Strips 12 May 2018 11: 08
      0
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      Today, 10: 54
      those. not destroyed but damaged and is subject to restoration repair (!)


      According to whom? wink
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 12 May 2018 11: 12
      +8
      It is doubtful - half of the module was demolished, and in the remaining one it almost certainly burned out.

      This one is not in the photo.


      Well, they will not be restored for another reason. It is much more valuable in this form. Most likely his first flight will be taken to KBP. For this is a unique example of a real combat defeat, on the basis of which, you can make real changes in survivability. Watch what fell apart - what remains. Well, etc. As a real scientific platform, he is now standing a couple of dozen new Shells.
      1. Svat
        Svat 12 May 2018 12: 20
        +1
        A seditious thought - maybe he was standing there for this ??? Although, on the other hand, it was possible to themselves dart along it. But maybe it was necessary that something was snapped up that we don’t have. Or maybe it was necessary that Israel was blown away.
      2. loki565
        loki565 12 May 2018 12: 35
        +2
        False targets in the form of inflatable mock-ups (which we had so maliciously chuckled at) with such a resolution of cameras can not make out anything, and there is no time. So if there were two three inflatable mockups nearby, the real one had a chance of survival ...
  49. viktor.
    viktor. 12 May 2018 11: 02
    +3
    The shell was overwhelmed, but it doesn’t matter in a fighting position or in transport, you need to bring down everything that crosses the Syrian border! Israel, in spite of it, on an imaginary pretext, supports Terror!
    1. Grits
      Grits 12 May 2018 12: 30
      +1
      Most likely his first flight will be taken to KBP. For this is a unique example of a real combat defeat, on the basis of which, you can make real changes in survivability.
      But this is a true remark. So we are waiting for Russian transport vehicles and further to Tartus.
  50. q75agent
    q75agent 12 May 2018 11: 18
    +1
    Forum users read the article in the analytics section "Neighbors Fought in a Syrian House: Iran and Israel"