Rifles by countries and continents. Part of 11. Like a ross rifle, I almost became Huot's machine gun.

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The series of articles in the series “Rifles across countries and continents” aroused great interest among HE audiences. But the more we delve into this topic, the more it reveals new and unusual designs. It is clear that not a single rifle in the world can be compared, for example, in popularity with the Mauser, and in accuracy of shooting with a Charles Ross rifle. But, nevertheless, there were interesting developments and on their basis. Mauser is mainly concerned with the use of new cartridges and calibers, such as the 6,5-mm and 7-mm, but with the Ross rifle - we recall that there was a very interesting article about this rifle, - story came out much more interesting ...


Machine gun Huota. (Army Museum in Halifax, Nova Scotia Province)



As you know, improving is easier than re-creating. As a rule, in the course of operation, many people notice the shortcomings of a particular structure and, as they are talented and able, try to correct them. But it also happens that someone’s idea inspires another person to create a structure that is already so “something new” that it deserves a fundamentally new attitude. And the need in such cases is usually the "best teacher", since it is she who makes the "gray cells" work with a voltage greater than usual!

And it was so that when Canadian units went to Europe to fight for the interests of the British crown during the First World War, it immediately turned out on the battlefields that the Ross rifle, although it was shooting accurately, was completely unsuitable for military service. Its straight gate was very sensitive to contamination, and quite often, in order to distort it, we had to beat it with the handle of the deminer blade! Many other annoying incidents happened to her, because of which Canadian soldiers simply began to steal Enfield rifles from their English "colleagues", or even to buy for money. Anything - just not Ross! Moreover, difficulties with ammunition did not arise here, since they had the same ammunition. And it ended with the fact that the Ross rifles were left only to snipers, and in the linear parts they were replaced by “Lee-Enfilds”.

But now there is a new problem. They began to miss the light machine guns. Manual Lewis machine guns were required by everyone - the British and Russian infantry, aviators, tankers (the latter, though not for long), Indian bass, as well as all other parts of the dominions. And no matter how hard the British industry tried, the output of these machine guns was not enough.

Rifles by countries and continents. Part of 11. Like a ross rifle, I almost became Huot's machine gun.

“Huot” (above) and “Lewis” (below). Views from the top. The characteristic flat “boxes” on the closures contained: the “Lewis” system of the magazine's rotation levers, the “hoot” - the gas piston damper and the details of the connection between the bolt and the piston. (Photos from the Museum Museum of the Seafort Highlanders in Vancouver)

And so it happened that the first to figure out how to get out of this difficult situation was Joseph Alphonse Hoot (Wot, Huot), a machinist and a blacksmith from Quebec. Born in 1878, he was a big and strong man (not surprising for a blacksmith), more than six feet tall and weighing 210 pounds. The man, as they write about him, he was not only strong, but also hardworking, stubborn, but unnecessarily trusting of people, which in business does not always help, but more often than not, it hurts!


Joseph Alphonse Huot (1918)

At first, he viewed his work on the automatic rifle as a hobby. But when World War I broke out, his interest in arms became more serious. He began working on his project from the middle of 1914 onwards and worked until the end of 1916 onwards, continuously improving it. Its development was protected by Canadian patents, #193 724 and #193 725 (but to my great regret, not a single text, nor images from any of them are available to the Internet through the Canadian online archive).

His idea was to attach to the rifle of Charles Ross gas tube with a gas piston on the left side of the barrel. This would allow this mechanism to be used to activate the shutter of a Ross rifle, which, as is well known, had a reloading knob on the right. Such an alteration would be technically quite simple (although the devil is always hiding in details, because you need to make such a mechanism work smoothly and reliably). In addition to the gas piston, Huot designed the ratchet and the feed mechanism of the ammunition from the drum mechanism to the 25 cartridges. He took care of the cooling system of the barrel, but he didn’t overwork, but simply took and used the ingeniously invented Lewis machine gun system: a thin-walled casing with a narrowing at the muzzle of the barrel recessed inside this casing. When fired into a “pipe” of such a design, an air draft always occurs (on which all inhalers are based), so if you install a radiator on the barrel, this air flow will cool it. On a Lewis machine gun, it was made of aluminum and had longitudinal fins. And Huot repeated it all on his model.


“Huot” (above) and “Lewis” (below). (Photos from the Museum Museum of the Seafort Highlanders in Vancouver)

Until September 1916, Huot refined his sample, and 8 September, 1916, met with Colonel Matish in Ottawa, after which he was hired as a civilian in the Experimental Division of Small Arms. True, although this ensured the continuation of work on his weapon, working for the government also meant a catastrophe for any of his hopes of commercial gain from this work. That is, now he could not sell his sample to the government, since he worked for him for a salary! The situation, as we know, has already taken place in Russia with Captain Mosin, who created his own rifle during working hours as well, being released from service as such.

As a result, Huot completed the creation of a prototype and in December 1916 of the year demonstrated it to military officials. 15 February The 1917 of the year was demonstrated by an improved version of the machine gun, which has an 650 firing rate per minute. Then they fired at least 11 000 cartridges from a machine gun - so he passed the test for survivability. Finally, in October, 1917 of the Year of Huot and Major Robert Blair were sent to England to be tested there, so that this machine gun was approved by the British military.

They sailed to England at the end of November, arrived in early December 1917 of the year, and the first tests were launched on 10 in January 1918 of the year at the Royal Enfield Small Arms Factory. In March, they were repeated, and they showed that Huota's light machine gun has clear advantages over Lewis, Farquar-Hill and Hotchkiss machine guns. Tests and demonstrations continued until the beginning of August 1918 of the year, although on July 11 of the year the British military officially rejected this sample.


The device automatic machine gun Huota. (Photos from the Museum Museum of the Seafort Highlanders in Vancouver)

Despite the fact that it was decided to reject the Huot machine gun, compared with the Lewis machine gun, it was recognized to be quite competitive. It was more convenient when firing from a trench and it could be quickly brought into action. Huot's machine gun was easier to disassemble. It was found that it was less accurate than the "Lewis", although this was probably due to the fact that both the sight and the front sight were attached to the cooler case, which, as it turned out, vibrated heavily when fired. In Enfield, they complained about the shape of the butt, which made it difficult to hold the weapon well (which is not surprising given the volume and location of the gas valve cover, which was far back). As a disadvantage, the store was marked for only 25 cartridges, which was empty in 3,2 seconds! To speed up store equipment, special 25 charging clips were provided, so it was easy to recharge it. True, there was no fire interpreter, so it was impossible to fire a single machine gun from a machine gun! On the other hand, it was noted that it is smaller than the “Lewis”, and can shoot in an inverted position, whereas he could not do that! It was noted that it was the only weapon tested that could remain in working condition after immersion in water. Lieutenant General Arthur Curry, commander of the Canadian Expeditionary Corps, reported that every soldier who tried the Huot automatic rifle was satisfied with it, so on October 1 1918 he wrote a request for 5000 copies, arguing that there was nothing for his soldiers oppose a large number of German light machine guns.


Huota machine gun. (Photo from the Museum of the regiment of the sittort Highlanders in Vancouver)

For production, the fact that the Huot machine gun had 33 parts that were directly interchangeable with the details of the Ross M1910 rifle, plus 11 parts of the rifle, which would have to be redone, and 56 parts that would have to be done from scratch was very beneficial. In 1918, the cost of one copy was only Canadian 50 dollars, while Lewis was worth 1000! Its mass was 5,9 kg (without cartridges) and 8,6 (with curb magazine). Length - 1190 mm, barrel length - 635 mm. Rate of fire: 475 shots / min (technical) and 155 (combat). The initial speed of the bullet 730 m / s.

But why then was the weapon rejected, despite such promising test results? The answer is simple: with all its positive data, it was not much better than Lewis to justify the cost of refitting producing enterprises and retraining soldiers. And, of course, after the end of the war, it immediately turned out that the Lewis machine guns of the army in peacetime were sufficient, and there was no need to look for additional such weapons.


Major Robert Blair with Huot's rifle, 1917 year. (Photos from the Museum Museum of the Seafort Highlanders in Vancouver)

Unfortunately, due to all these circumstances, the personal condition of Huot was in a deplorable situation. Any agreement on the payment of royalties by the Government of Canada depended on the formal adoption of weapons, so when it was rejected, he only had the salary he received while working on his brainchild. Investments in the amount of their own 35 000 dollars, which he invested in this project, in fact, flew into the tube. Huot demanded at least to return this money to him and eventually received compensation in the amount of 25 000 US dollars, but only in 1936 year. His first wife died a few days after giving birth in the 1915 year, and he married again after the war, marrying a woman with 5 children. He worked as a worker and builder in Ottawa. He lived until June 1947 of the year, continuing to be engaged in inventing, but he never achieved such success, which he achieved with his light machine gun!

It is known that all the Huot machine guns were made 5-6 pieces and today they are all in museums.

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  1. +3
    15 May 2018 16: 12
    After the end of the Civil War, they tried to make the same machine gun from the brainchild of V. G. Fedorov!
    1. +4
      15 May 2018 17: 05

      Actually, they tried to make the world's first small arms system
      1. +3
        15 May 2018 18: 52
        In which there was a place for a light machine gun

        6,5 mm light machine gun of the Fedorov-Degtyarev system, prototype 1922
        1. 0
          15 May 2018 21: 15
          Alexei, if my memory serves me, Fedorov’s line of weapons should have included both tank and aviation machine guns. It seems that even the MC-1 (T-18) tower should have been armed initially with a pair of Fedorov machine guns along with a cannon. I could be wrong! hi
          1. +1
            15 May 2018 21: 31
            You are right Nikolay!

            But I can not find information about the number of machine gun mounts made.
            1. +1
              15 May 2018 22: 00
              I think that all are prototypes, and they could be counted on the fingers .. request In general, they write about Fedorov’s assault rifle that his supplies were distributed during the Finnish War. In any case, this phrase wanders from resource to resource, and no one has posted documentary evidence of this (document!) Yet. There is even a photo .. How true it is is a question. It seems that this is the original, there are "photoshopped versions."
              1. +1
                15 May 2018 22: 41
                "KALASHNIKOV" No. 1 for 2017.
                At the "Finnish" wolves "from the Russian" bears "on August 6, 2011.
                1. +2
                  16 May 2018 02: 23

                  This is a trophy stand at the Helsinki Military Museum.
                  Below, next to the Fedorov assault rifle, judging by the name and stamp "For official use", a description of the routes for the Red Army commanders in Finland.
                  In 1922, when the ski detachment of the commander of the machine gun company of the international military school Toyvo Antikainen, made an intelligence and sabotage raid on the rear of the white Finns, such instructions were not printed explicitly. Logic suggests that he got there with the RPD, like a trophy of the Winter War.
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  2. +4
    15 May 2018 17: 06
    Attempts to make a machine gun from the “rifle” were made repeatedly. I once read a story about how, in the Civil War, the Browning hunting self-loading rifles were converted into a light machine gun ....
  3. +3
    15 May 2018 17: 12
    As you know, 1941, the Red Army was in dire need of automatic weapons, and now the time near Moscow, Stalin personally distributed machine-guns in parts. And some Red Army man came up with how to convert SVT into a light machine gun. Allegedly, Stalin, learning about this, ordered to punish and award the soldier. Where did I read this, perhaps at Shirokorad? It seems to me that this story in a certain sense resembles the case of Howth: also the need for automatic weapons and also not the most successful rifle were used as the basis, and here and there the inventor “stayed with his own”
    1. +4
      15 May 2018 17: 17
      SVT is converted into an automatic match insert, but this does not become a handbrake. ABT, incidentally, was released in a rather large batch, but naturally there was no match - they simply added a fire translator blocking disconnector.
      1. +3
        15 May 2018 18: 19

        Automatic rifle Tokarev AVT - 40
        The basis for the creation of the AVT rifle was the SVT-40, which was distinguished by the design of the trigger mechanism, which allowed firing both single shots and bursts. The creation and production of this rifle was due to a shortage of machine guns in the first months of the war. The AVT-40 rifles were manufactured in large numbers, in 1940-1942. 1296000 rifles were manufactured.
        1. 0
          16 May 2018 10: 40
          Chegoy then the toe is clearly superfluous) But by the way, civilian alterations from AVT say they met also from 1943
          1. +1
            16 May 2018 13: 01
            There are no extra zeros there. SVT-40 and AVT-40 were produced until January 1945. The hunting rifle KO-40 based on them should be made from rifles no earlier than 1944 of release. Although if in the warehouses they found the "zero" or "first" category of 1943, then they could take them.
            1. -1
              16 May 2018 17: 26
              Million two hundred ninety six thousand ABT? Cut back the sturgeon, and x all were all options made about a million eight hundred thousand)
    2. +2
      16 May 2018 01: 52
      Quote: Monarchist
      some Red Army man came up with how to convert SVT into a light machine gun.

      This crazy man “remade” SVT into AVT ... There was no need for this; Tokarev, along with SVT, offered AVT from the very beginning ... We stopped at SVT. True, subsequently, they released a batch of ABT for some reason (I don’t remember!) A little earlier, ABC-36 was adopted for service ... so it was thought to be used both as a rifle and as a light machine gun. (For this, ABC equipped with a magazine on 15 cartridges and a bayonet-bipod ...) A good result from the venture did not work.
  4. +7
    15 May 2018 17: 23
    I will add a little illustrative material.

    Figure from Patent 193724 on Howth's rifle store.
    1. +6
      15 May 2018 17: 26

      Drawing from Patent 193725 on Howth's rifle.
      1. +5
        15 May 2018 17: 27

        Second drawing from Patent 193725 on the Howth rifle.
        Only two patents have three figures.
  5. +3
    16 May 2018 01: 41
    Quote: hohol95
    "KALASHNIKOV" No. 1 for 2017.
    At the "Finnish" wolves "from the Russian" bears "on August 6, 2011.


    Alexey, you are right.
    Already during the war, Fyodorov’s assault rifles were armed with “Engineering equipment”, a special unit for the destruction of Finnish pillboxes. Their commander remembered in time that a large number of these machines were stored in warehouses. And since the damned breach of cartridges for Arisaki was captured at Halkin Gol, there was no need for ammunition. They say that they wanted the PDA, but ... Only the NKVD has PDP. Such things are, but the men were very pleased with Fedorov’s cars. hi
    Here you can clearly see that in the photo no photoshop at all “smells”. hi
    1. +2
      16 May 2018 08: 09

      A fighter of the Red Army examines the captured Finnish bunker caponier in the Muurila area (currently the village of Vysokoye, Vyborgsky District, Leningrad Region).
    2. 0
      16 May 2018 10: 25
      Fighters on the roof of one of the machine-gun casemates of the Ink-6 bunker. There are only questions regarding their affiliation with the “engineering facility”; there was a Baltic Fleet coastal escort detachment operating in this area and some of the historians believe that the marines are pictured. As far as the NKVD PPDu is concerned, only a large number of PSDs from warehouses, including the NKVD warehouses, were sent to the army.
  6. 0
    16 May 2018 10: 45
    Quote: Sea Cat
    And since Halkin Gol captured a damn break of cartridges for Arisaki,

    Well, there were a lot of them in the warehouses, for the number of issued AFs, more than a lot. One problem doesn’t fit in with the recently beloved legend about the St. Petersburg cartridge, which is supposedly 30 percent weaker due to bad Russian gunpowder - it turns out that for hundreds of manufactured empires, AFs made a specially defective cartridge, forgetting about thousands of rifles " Arisaka. "
    1. 0
      16 May 2018 12: 45
      Part of the ammunition was delivered along with rifles, but this was not enough, and Russia placed orders for cartridges in both Japan and the UK. Credits were attracted, generously paid in gold, but at first the British from the Kaynok company were forced to make cartridges with an old-style bullet and even without clips, the stamping of which had not yet been established. The Russians went for this, despite the obvious reduction in the combat capabilities of rifles ... In particular, the orders for the supply of Arisaka cartridges were literally huge: 660 million Japanese 6,5 mm rifle cartridges were ordered with English credit, 124 more with Japanese credit million rounds.
      The British cartridges were marked with the letter “K” on the bottom, therefore it is impossible to confuse them with the Japanese. The Japanese cartridges did not carry markings on the sleeve at all, and the bottom had only two deep traces of punching, which secured the capsule of a slightly old-fashioned "convex" shape.

      The main manufacturers of Japanese cartridges for Russia were British firms - Kaynok, the Woolwich royal arsenal, and the Petrograd cartridge factory (200-300 thousand per month, according to the factory museum). 6,5 mm cartridges of Russian (Soviet) origin are often found by search engines, the characteristic differences are a sleeve without a mark, a “three-linear” powder of uneven grain.
      1. 0
        16 May 2018 13: 47
        This is all clear, everyone needed cartridges not even by millions and not even by tens of millions. Under which cartridge AF was made (redone)? Fedorov’s cartridge is not intermediate (although it’s not clear about him), “Arisaka” cartridge is not intermediate in any way - a rifle cartridge. It is confirmed that the St. Petersburg cartridge gave 1700 joules from the AF barrel versus 2700 -3100 Arisaki, even with a discount on barrel length . Was the St. Petersburg cartridge really so bad
        1. +1
          16 May 2018 16: 34
          Machine guns demanded to improve and cartridge production. The report of the head of ITOZ on July 16, 1907 indicated that when firing machine guns with ammunition from the St. Petersburg and Lugansk factories, there were frequent cases of penetration of capsules, breakthrough of gases through the capsule nest, and loss of bullets. In addition, bullet shell particles (especially in the cartridges of the Tula Cartridge Plant) quickly clogged the muzzle, and therefore in 1906 they even tested two versions of the modified muzzle, but they did not show visible advantages.
          ъ
          FEDOSEEV SEEDS
          Russian machine guns in battle
        2. +1
          16 May 2018 17: 01
          The value of the relatively young Lugansk plant has grown markedly. The productivity of the Petrograd Plant was limited by the organization of the production of foreign-made cartridges on it - Japanese for Arisaka rifles received from Japan and Austrian for Manliher rifle rifles and Schwarzlose machine guns. Increasing output again affected quality. In particular, numerous misfires of rifle cartridges made in 1915 were revealed due to the "low anvil" cartridges. And in 1916, it was still necessary to master the production of armor-piercing and incendiary bullets for the Russian cartridge.

          Bought abroad and rifle powder. Already on August 6, 1914, powder engineers were sent to Japan and the United States to place large orders and to install gunpowder production for three-line cartridges. A cash purchase was made in the United States of a finished batch of this explosive suitable for Russian ammunition. The bulk of approximately 793.000 pounds of gunpowder for rifle cartridges manufactured during the war was purchased abroad - mainly from the Americans.

          From the beginning of the war until January 1, 1917, the Russian army received 2.850.000.000 cartridges from domestic factories and 1.078.000.000 from foreign ones. If the “rifle hunger” was noticeably weakened at the beginning of 1916, then on the whole the question of the lack of rifles and ammunition was removed - only by 1917. But for the "military successes" it was already late, but for the revolution just right.

          / Semen Fedoseev, vpk-news.ru/
          1. 0
            16 May 2018 21: 38
            This is all interesting, and thanks for the quotes, but it doesn’t apply to what I’ve talked about, because of this, a cartridge with a maximum muzzle energy of 3100 does not suddenly become intermediate with an energy of 1700 due to “bad gunpowder”
            1. 0
              16 May 2018 22: 11
              Where did you get the energy of 3100 J?
              Everywhere the energy is indicated in 2615 J for the Japanese cartridge 6,5 × 50 mm Arisaka!
              7,62 mm Light Bullet Rifle Cartridge with Lead Core Model 1908 (57-H-221, 57-H-321)
              Muzzle energy of a bullet 3513,1 ... 3713,3 (Mosin rifle arr. 1891), J.
            2. 0
              17 May 2018 08: 55
              Or are you confusing the Arisak cartridge with the Fedorov 6,5mm cartridge?
              Muzzle velocity, m / s (Fedorov assault rifle, barrel length 520 mm) 660
              Muzzle energy of a bullet, J 1960,2
  7. +2
    16 May 2018 23: 42
    Quote: Blue Fox
    Fighters on the roof of one of the machine-gun casemates of the Ink-6 bunker. There are only questions regarding their affiliation with the “engineering facility”; there was a Baltic Fleet coastal escort detachment operating in this area and some of the historians believe that the marines are pictured. As far as the NKVD PPDu is concerned, only a large number of PSDs from warehouses, including the NKVD warehouses, were sent to the army.


    Good night, fellow fox!
    There is a question: did the Marines already exist as a separate branch of the armed forces in 1939–40? I can be mistaken, but, as I recall, according to Admiral Kuznetsov’s memoirs, “Towards victory,” all marines from the beginning of the Second World War are the members of the crews of warships that have gone ashore. And it was not from a "good life." And in the year 39-40 was there really such a need? Well, even if so, where did Fedorov’s assault rifles come from?

    Now about the “PDA at the NKVD”: If you have information about the transfer of PDP from warehouses to the army in the 39-40th year, share it, if not difficult. And I would like to know about the number of transmitted trunks. There is one caveat: the submachine gun is not a rifle and people had to be retrained. And in the army, to retrain fighters ... you know. hi

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