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Mockery of St. George ribbon. Who laughs at Victory and Russia?

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Recently, the St. George ribbon has become the favorite object of criticism and even outright attacks and mockery on the part of virtually all anti-state and anti-Russian forces. She is criticized, scolded and ridiculed by Ukrainian Nazi and Russian liberals, and some patriots echo the advocates of American “democracy”, who are convinced that the St. George ribbon is not a symbol of 1945 Victory.


Mockery of St. George ribbon. Who laughs at Victory and Russia?


Unlike the Ukrainian nations, for which the St. George ribbon is just an enemy sign (prohibited, by the way, in Ukraine), Russian patriots argue that during the Great Patriotic War the St. George ribbon was not used or was used very rarely and did not carry the semantic load that was given to it already in the post-Soviet period of domestic stories. Some of them call the St. George ribbon almost the symbol of the Russian liberation army of the traitor-general Vlasov. For example, the well-known journalist Alexander Nevzorov, speaking of St. George's ribbon, declared that it was carried by traitors General Vlasov and Ataman Shkuro, and in the Red Army she was at first unknown at all, and then rarely used and then after 1943.

They began to attack the ribbon and some communists who accuse the Russian authorities of replacing the true symbols of the Great Victory with the St. George ribbon. Having read - having listened to the revelations of these people, our fellow citizens, who are not particularly experienced in questions of the history of the Great Patriotic War, even begin to doubt the St. George ribbon as a symbol of the Great Victory. Do St. George's colors really have nothing to do with the victorious Red Army and its immortal feat in 1941-1945?

Let's start with a brief history of the St. George ribbon itself. The two-color ribbon was established by Empress Catherine II 26 on November 1769 of the year during the Russian-Turkish war, but since the 1730-s, black and yellow were considered colors of the Russian Empire. In 1913, the statute was adopted, which stated that the St. George is called “a tape of three black and two orange stripes, worn over the right shoulder.” The colors of St. George received the greatest distribution during the First World War - in connection with the massive awards of war heroes to the Order of St. George. Full St. George knights had the right to wear St. George's ribbon in winter time over the side of the overcoat.

During the Civil War, the St. George ribbon was actively used in the White Movement, which did not refuse “tsarist” awards of the pre-revolutionary type. In Soviet Russia, until the outbreak of World War II, the St. George ribbon went out of use. However, almost immediately after the outbreak of the war, the leadership of the country and the high command had a need to revive the developed system of awards for both individual military personnel and units and formations of the Red Army and the Naval fleet.

The St. George Ribbon has already become an authentic symbol of the Great Victory on May 9 of the year. It was then, the day after the signing of the Act of unconditional surrender of Hitler's Germany, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR established a new state award - the medal "For the Victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War 1945 — 1941”. As we know, it is the St. George ribbon that blocks the medal. The medal "For Victory over Germany" has become one of the most massive awards of the USSR. She was awarded 1945 millions of people, including almost all military personnel of the army, as well as those who were commissioned, demobilized or transferred to the rear for injuries or other reasons. Thus, millions of Soviet citizens, starting with 15, began to wear the St. George ribbon on their chests — on the medal “For the Victory over Germany.”

But even before the Great Victory, the St. George ribbon was actively used in the Red Army and in the navy. Let's start with the fact that even in the autumn of 1941, just a few months after the start of the war, it was decided to assign the most distinguished in battles, formations, and ships to the title of “Guards”. September 18 1941 “for combat exploits, organization, discipline and exemplary order” the name “Guards” was assigned to 100, 127, 153 and 161 rifle divisions, which were renamed 1, 2 th, 3 and 4 th guards rifle divisions.

The St. George ribbon has become the symbol of the guard. 10 June 1942 year Navy Commissar of the USSR Navy Admiral of the fleet Nikolai Kuznetsov signed an order authorizing the use of St. George ribbon on sailor caps of sailors of the Guard ships and formations and a sign in the form of a plate of St. George ribbons that was worn on the chest. Thus, from the first year of the war, the St. George ribbon was used in the Red Army and the Navy as a guards insignia. The most heroic and combat-ready units of the Red Army and Navy had the right to wear the St. George ribbon. During World War II Guards regiments, divisions, corps and army were created.

By the end of World War II, 11 armies and 6 tank armies, 40 infantry, 12 tank, 9 mechanized, 14 aviation and 7 cavalry corps, 215 divisions, 18 warships and many military units of various branches of the armed forces and branches of the armed forces. Millions of Soviet servicemen served in guards units and formations, all of them also had the right to wear the guards' distinctive sign - the St. George ribbon.

By the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR from 8 in November 1943 “On the Establishment of the Order of Glory I, II and III Degree” a new order was established - the Order of Glory. They could be rewarded for their personal merits by servicemen — privates, sergeants and foremen, and in the Air Force — junior lieutenants. The status and color of the ribbon of the Order of Glory almost completely reproduced the famous George Cross, one of the most famous and respected awards of the Russian Empire. Only the Order of Glory had three degrees, and George had four degrees. When the question arose of creating a new Soviet order, which could be awarded to soldiers, sergeants and elders of the Red Army, it was originally planned to call him the name of Bagratio. October 2 1943, the head of the rear of the Red Army, General Khrulev, presented Stalin with four options for sketching a new order. Stalin approved the idea of ​​the artist Nikolai Moskalev that the order would be worn on the St. George ribbon, and decided to introduce three degrees of the Order of Glory.



During the years of the Great Patriotic War, the Order of Glory of the 3rd degree was awarded to about a million Soviet soldiers, even more 46 thousand soldiers received the Order of Glory of the II degree and 2678 soldiers - the Order of Glory of the I degree. Full holders of the Order of Glory of three degrees were 2671 people, including four women. For the battle on the left bank of the Vistula River 14 in January 1945, all ranks, sergeants and foremen of the 1 battalion of the 215 Red Banner Regiment of the 77 Guards Chernigov Red Banned Lenin and Suvorova men’s squads were awarded orders of Glory. Glory.

The Order of Glory was truly a soldier’s order. They were awarded ordinary "workers of war", who every day risked their lives on the battlefield, performing simple, but very complex and dangerous tasks. The gentlemen of the Order of Glory respected the command, and they, privates, sergeants and sergeants, could feel a certain superiority over the officers, because they were awarded for concrete feats, for their personal contribution to the approach of the Great Victory.

The list of feats for which the possibility of awarding the Order of Glory was provided is impressive. So, they could have been rewarded with a soldier, sergeant or foreman if he first broke into the enemy's bunker, pillbox, trench or dugout of the enemy and destroyed his garrison; personally captured the officer of the enemy forces; at night he took off an enemy guard post or watch or captured him; destroyed the enemy machine gun or mortar; from personal weapons shot down an enemy plane; destroyed the enemy warehouse; captured the enemy banner in battle; saved the banner of his unit from capture by the enemy during the battle; continued to perform combat missions while in a burning tank; under the enemy’s fire, made a passage in the enemy’s wire obstacles for his unit; assisted the wounded under enemy fire for several battles; after being wounded, after bandaging he returned to the ranks for further participation in the battles.

They gave the Order of Glory and pilots with the rank of no higher than the junior lieutenant - for the fact that the fighter pilot destroyed the enemy's fighter planes from 2 to 4 or from the 3 to 6 of the enemy bombers; Assault Aviation Pilot - for the destruction of enemy tanks from 2 to 5, or of 3 to 6 of steam locomotives, or enemy echelon, or for the destruction of at least 2 aircraft on the enemy’s airfield; Assault Aviation Pilot - Destroyed enemy aircraft in 1 or 2 air combat; bomber crew - for the destruction of bridges, echelons, warehouses, headquarters, railway stations, power plants, dams, warships, enemy boats; reconnaissance crew - for successfully completing reconnaissance of enemy positions, as a result of which valuable information was obtained.

“The Order of Glory was established only in 43 year, and did not enjoy particular popularity, even fame on the front,” said Alexander Nevzorov, a critic of the St. George ribbon, in one of his speeches. Well, of course, it is better for a venerable TV presenter to know what popularity is, but they, the heroes of the front, did not even chase after popularity. They fought, killed the enemy, died, were injured and awarded the Order of Glory.



If we consider that the Order of Glory was awarded to more than a million soldiers of the Red Army, it can hardly be called "unpopular." In the army, the gentlemen of the Order of Glory, as noted above, enjoyed special respect, as after the war, in the veteran environment, revered those who received the Order of Glory, and the full Knights of the Order of Glory were almost equal to the Heroes of the Soviet Union. The Order of Glory was awarded to the most worthy and courageous warriors. All of them proudly wore an order with a ribbon of St. George flowers on their chests. And after that there are those who do not consider the St. George ribbon as a symbol of the Great Victory?

Where did the myth come from, that the St. George ribbon is almost the Vlasov symbol? Let's start with the fact that collaborators from among the Russians and other peoples of the USSR who fought on the side of the Nazis always awarded themselves with German awards themselves, as well as those specially instituted for ROA and other similar formations with the Order of Bravery and the Medal of Merit. St. George ribbons and St. George's crosses were absent in the German award system. Naturally, among the collaborators there were white emigres, including participants in the First World War and the Civil War, who could wear St. George's crosses on their uniforms, which they received while serving in the Russian Imperial Army. But this in no way means that the St. George ribbon was a regular Vlasov award or was used in other collaborationist formations. The cavaliers of St. George — the participants of the First World War — also fought in the Red Army, and there were disproportionately more of them in the RKKA than in the POA or other traitorous structures. Thus, the replicated myth of the “Vlasov St. George Ribbon” is nothing more than another attempt to blacken the history of the Great Patriotic War and the memory of Soviet citizens who fought against the Nazi invaders.



St. George's ribbon can rightfully be considered an old and very honorable symbol of Russian military glory. It is not by chance that it causes such rabies in Russophobes of all stripes. Already in the post-Soviet period, the St. George ribbon acquired new meanings. First, it became a symbol of the memory of the Great Patriotic War and tribute to her veterans. When a modern young man puts on a St. George ribbon, decorates his car with it, even at such a superficial level, he nevertheless shows respect for the memory of the heroic ancestors who defended the Soviet Union from invaders.

Secondly, a new reading of the St. George ribbon was given by the events of 2013-2014. in Ukraine. St. George ribbon has become a symbol of the Russian world, the personification of the Russian identity of those people who use it (regardless of their ethnic or religious affiliation). In the hostile countries of Russia, the St. George ribbon is interpreted unequivocally - as a symbol of Russia, and in this regard our opponents are more honest than many of our fellow citizens who invent and spread the most bizarre myths about St. George ribbon.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 14 May 2018 06: 03
    +26
    The St. George ribbon became the true symbol of the Great Victory on May 9, 1945. It was then, on the day after the signing of the Act on the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR established a new state award - the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945." As we know, it’s the St. George ribbon that fits the block of this medal.

    I think that if you do not dissemble, then the block of the Order of Glory is the St. George ribbon, no matter who says it.
    Those. They wore it until May 9, 1945.

    The ribbon is a wonderful symbol of Victory, giving the descendants a sense of ownership and continuity of the glorious deeds of their ancestors.

    Worn and will continue to wear, although it sometimes causes inconvenience. Some people beat windows on cars. They screwed and threw out two antennas with a tape.
    But these are trifles.
    1. apro
      apro 14 May 2018 08: 36
      +11
      Olgovich. IVStalin's order to the account of the St. George ribbon can you provide?
      It’s strange to hear from you about the victory of the Soviet people. Hitler is the main fighter against the Jewish Bolsheviks. And the white officers you respect did not go to serve him for fear.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 14 May 2018 08: 42
        +9
        Quote: apro
        Hitler is the main fighter against the Jewish Bolsheviks. And the white officers you respect did not go to serve him out of fear.

        Communists and red officers went to serve Hitler, in the ROA there were up to 120 thousand defectors and former white officers, there were barely hundreds of people, and Bolsheviks and other Soviet citizens in the ROA were tens of thousands!
      2. Vend
        Vend 14 May 2018 09: 01
        +6
        Quote: apro
        Olgovich. IVStalin's order to the account of the St. George ribbon can you provide?
        It’s strange to hear from you about the victory of the Soviet people. Hitler is the main fighter against the Jewish Bolsheviks. And the white officers you respect did not go to serve him for fear.

        Do not generalize. There were those who not only did not go to Germany, but also began to fight to help the USSR.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 14 May 2018 09: 38
        +10
        Quote: apro
        Olgovich. IVStalin's order to the account of the St. George ribbon can you provide?

        No... recourse request And?
        Quote: apro
        How strange it is for you to hear about the victory of the Soviet people. Hitler is the most important fighter against the liquid Bolsheviks.

        Dear Oleg, you have a somewhat strange logic: after all, Hitler and the most important fighter with gays was .... Everyone should love gays now? You, by your logic, should. And they should also hate vegetarians and autobahns, for Hitler revered and built them. yes request
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        Quote: apro
        Your respectable white officers did not go to serve him for fear

        The heroes of the struggle with white communists Vlasov, Trukhin, Malyshkin and others hundreds of thousands Soviet citizens who fought for Hitler, which whites compare with THIS?
        In the Second World War this was not at all! Neither ROA, nor RONA, etc.
        hear about victory Soviet people

        Let us nevertheless write this word, as is customary, with a BIG capital letter: Victory! hi
        1. apro
          apro 14 May 2018 10: 06
          +7
          Yes, I’ve come up with it myself. I’m singing myself.
          What Hitler didn’t like or loved, his personal grief. But in the fight against the Communists he showed himself as the most consistent and cruel enemy, not like the gold followers, who were greeted by the Orthodox clergy as well.
          Vlasov is considered to be a traitor. And everyone who joined him. And they got what they deserved. And the Reds defeated in spite of everything. The strength of the united Europe. And the betrayal. They did not help Hitler.
          But whatever you say, white was on the side of Hitler. And these are your heroes.

          Quote: Olgovich
          In the Second World War this was not at all! Neither ROA, nor RONA, etc.

          What are you talking about? What is the name of the First World War? Why Polish and Finnish. Ukrainian formations? All the more, these are somewhat different wars.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 14 May 2018 10: 53
            +7
            Quote: apro
            That there Hitler did not like or loved.

            He didn’t love gays, but destroyed. But that’s no reason he loves gays.
            Quote: apro
            but in the fight against the Communists he showed himself as the most consistent and cruel enemy. not for example the gold miners. who were greeted by the Orthodox clergy as well.

            There were an order of magnitude more gold miners from the Soviet Vlasov and Zhilenkovs with little kids.
            Quote: apro
            the Reds defeated in spite of everything. the strength of a united Europe. and the betrayal. They didn’t help Hitler

            The Russian people won, as in the previous TENS of wars and the Communists were only part of it-6% The bulk of the fallen heroes are non-communists.
            Quote: apro
            and Polish.Finish.Ukrainian formations? all the more so these are somewhat different wars.

            Polish, Ukrainian formations consisted of citizens NOT of Russia, but of A-Hungary and Germany. This is common knowledge.
            I will hear from you about the Finnish armies that fought with Ingushetia with satisfaction hi
            1. apro
              apro 14 May 2018 11: 20
              +7
              Are you worried about gays? But I am only concerned about the Soviet people who suffered huge losses in the struggle for independence of the USSR.
              But the monuments of your followers put krasnovu.manergeyma.panvitsu.bortsunam with red.
              And here explain how the people won. It’s not clear. Contrary to IV Stalin. With pitchforks and hornets. With your own mind or something else? Without factories without headquarters without education without supplies?
              So, Mr. Pilsudi citizen ri? Or not. The Finnish jäger battalion Google to help you. Sich arrows as formed. Including from captive malorosov.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 14 May 2018 12: 17
                +6
                Quote: apro
                Are you gay?

                No more than your idolsyes
                I'm trying to explain to you that you cannot love or hate someone (something) just because Hitler hated or loved someone (something).
                There are many more criteria.
                Quote: apro
                And here explain how the people won. It’s not clear. Contrary to IV Stalin. With pitchforks and hornets. With your own mind or something else? Without factories without headquarters without education without supplies?

                He won the same way as before in TENS of wars for independence of the Motherland, when there were no communists: courage, selfless work, heroism, self-sacrifice.
                Remember yourself how our ancestors fought near Borodino, Molody, Red, Poltava, etc. etc.?
                Communists worthily and heroically participated? Glory to them too! But the bulk of the fallen, fighting and working heroesNon-communists. And this "party" is the most numerous. What's not clear?
                Quote: apro
                As Mr. Pilsudi citizen ri? or not. The Finnish jäger battalion Google to help you. Sich arrows as formed. Including from captive malorosov.

                Poles were formed by A-Hungary, arrows - Ukrainian Volunteer Legion (Ukrainian. Ukrainian Volunteer Legion) - military formations in the army of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, originally a brigade formed during the First World War on a national basis of Ukrainians living on tterritories of Austria-Hungary.
                About the jaeger just a battalion that took part in 2 (!) Battles, is not it a shame to recall? Against the background of ROA, RONA? request
                1. apro
                  apro 14 May 2018 12: 42
                  +7
                  No Olgovich. The red ones bother you so you can’t eat. These are really opponents of the Russian feudal and liberal elite. Judging by your comments.
                  There is one criterion. Enemy of the Soviet people or not.
                  In general, there’s nothing more to say about this issue to you. The Russian fellows are so good that they don’t need any power. There are no systems of organization. Internal interaction. A dubin of the People’s War.
                  The fact of the use of the collaborators by the Kaisers has been established.
                  1. Gopnik
                    Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 58
                    +6
                    Quote: apro
                    one criterion. enemy of the Soviet people or not.


                    The Soviet people are citizens of the USSR. During the Second World War, the vast majority were not members of the CPSU and in the majority even believers. Therefore, the adversary of the “reds” does not mean the adversary of “citizens of the USSR”
                    1. apro
                      apro 14 May 2018 13: 07
                      +5
                      And here the options are possible ..... Hitler then opened the church. He allowed private business. He legitimized prostitution. Not like a bloody scoop ...
                      1. Gopnik
                        Gopnik 14 May 2018 13: 33
                        +3
                        Yes, if churches were opened in the USSR and private business was not banned, it would be better, of course.
                      2. RUSS
                        RUSS 15 May 2018 10: 47
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        And here the options are possible ..... Hitler then opened the church. He allowed private business. He legitimized prostitution. Not like a bloody scoop ...

                        Hitler did not open the church, he generally had a cool attitude towards Christianity, the Nazis in Germany had plans that they wanted to remove crosses on Catholic churches and put a swastika in their place, but changed their minds .....
                    2. Looking for
                      Looking for 14 May 2018 20: 04
                      +1
                      You are my dear, but before the war and during the time, the honor of being a member of the CPSU (B.) Had to be earned, and often with your blood.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 14 May 2018 13: 54
                    +4
                    Quote: apro
                    No, Olgovich.

                    Yes, Oleg.
                    Quote: apro
                    There is one criterion. Enemy of the Soviet people or not.

                    I am sincerely sorry for people with this vision: they are robbing themselves ....
                    Quote: apro
                    In general, there’s nothing further to say about this matter to you. Russian fellows are so good that they don’t need any power. There are no systems of organization. Internal interaction. A dubin of the People’s War. And the Reds. Monarchists dangle

                    Tell, tell about the inspirers of the Bolshevik battles on Lake Peipsi and the Rayevsky battery, on the Devil's Bridge and in the Battle of Chesmens. You can not? Why? How did Russia defeat them WITHOUT them and, incidentally, become without them, the largest country in the world? And with them, shrunk like shagreen skin? This is all FACTS, dear.
                    Quote: apro
                    The fact of the use of the collaborators by the Kaisers was established

                    I'm sorry, but here I am laughing lol
                    1. apro
                      apro 14 May 2018 15: 09
                      +2
                      But I’m not sorry for people who can’t and do not want to learn. To know their country. Their people.
                      Stop. And where does it come from? You claim that without any guidance, you yourself are like the heroes of comics.
                      Who sold Alaska? Who refused the title of Polish king? Who refused the title of Prince of Finland?
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 15 May 2018 10: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: apro
                        And I do not feel sorry for people who can not and do not want study. know your country. your people.

                        One criterion accepted by you does not speak about your studies, for there are much more criteria, as everyone knows.
                        Quote: apro
                        Stop. And where does it come from? You claim that without any guidance, you yourself are like the heroes of comics.

                        Didn't understand anything request
                        Quote: apro
                        Who sold Alaska? Who refused the title of Polish king? Who refused the title of Prince of Finland?

                        Who sold Odessa, Nikolaev, Sevastopol, Kherson, Faithful, Kharkov, almost all of New Russia, the north of today's Kazakhstan, half Belarus to all sorts of so-called "Ukrainians"? You have sold. For power. And this is not Alaska where it is not known, but the original RUSSIAN lands for which rivers of Russian blood have been shed.
          2. Opera
            Opera 14 May 2018 10: 56
            +11
            And why are you now starting once again this weld ?! Why are you starting to reckon with, or do you really think that there are Russian people, but there are Soviet people ?! The Soviets defeated Hitler, and the Russians helped the Nazis, so what ?! White immigration has made a very big contribution to the victory over fascism! Or is it all a lie? Were the traitors? Yes, they were unconditionally! As in the Red Army, isn’t it? Love for the Motherland is an apolitical concept and you, with your statements, are not that you are not contributing to the achievement of some kind of consensus in this topic that is painful for every Russian person, but you are throwing firewood into the fire! Olgovich didn’t provoke your escapades in any way and didn’t touch white at all - red but you are right there! I can list you a lot of Russian heroes who gave their lives in the fight against fascism and they were not communists, they were not Soviet, they were not working peasants and, moreover, they had reasons not to love both the Bolsheviks and the Communists and the Soviet system as a whole, but this did not stop give them their lives for the victory of Soviet Russia over Nazi Germany! Your statements at the provocation level actually discredit the communist idea! It’s scary to think what will happen if people with similar beliefs come to power sometime!
            1. bk316
              bk316 14 May 2018 13: 08
              +4
              It’s scary to think what will happen if people with similar beliefs come to power sometime!

              Yes, they won’t come, it’s very kind of softer ... foolish people.
              If Lenin and Stalin were so near, no USSR would exist.
              In addition, they are still sectarians, you look to what they agreed: the Russian officers for them are Nazi enemies, and the Jewish partisanship is the patriotic forces of Russia.
              Read the classics must gentlemen of dogma ...
              1. Opera
                Opera 14 May 2018 13: 56
                +4
                I also think that they will not come! That's just they are active and not a few of them ... They can do things. You know how to contrast the Soviet symbols with the Russian imperial ones, bring conspiracy theories under it (everything was lost, the victory was stolen from us), divide the Russian people into Soviet patriots and actually Russian traitors, you know this very much! Apart from the Bolsheviks and other faithful Leninists, the USSR has written many glorious pages in our history and certainly was not a fiend of hell! Likewise, the Russian Empire was not a prison of peoples from the word at all! Red and white symbols (if you call them that) do not cause rejection among the masses of people! Use them as a confrontational reason or impassable stupidity or sabotage!
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 11: 33
            +5
            Quote: apro
            But whatever you say, white was on the side of Hitler

            fool During the Second World War, Denikin's attitude towards the Red Army changed dramatically. It has become the most friendly. Anton Ivanovich was very upset by defeats and was passionately happy about her victories. The essence of Denikin’s attitude to the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War is characterized by the lines from his address to the White Movement comrades, written on November 15, 1944 on the occasion of the 27th anniversary of the Volunteer Army: “We experienced pain in the days of the defeat of the army, although it is called“ Red “, not Russian, and rejoiced in the days of her victories. And now, while the world war is not over yet, we wholeheartedly wish for its victorious completion, which will protect the country from arrogant encroachments from without. "

            Nice Russian emigrants addressed the representatives of the USSR with the following petition: “We deeply mourned that at the time of the treacherous attack of Germany on our homeland we were physically deprived of the opportunity to be in the ranks of the valiant Red Army. But we helped our homeland work underground. And we, patriots, were not broken not by the dungeons of the Vichy government, nor by the murder of our people by the Gestapo. With heart, soul and sacrifice we will always be with our people. With delight, with amazement and pride, we watched his struggle, in which the heroic Red Army and its glorious leader Stalin covered themselves with immortal glory - they were the first to inflict a crushing blow to the enemy ... It became clear that there was only one way: to unite and merge with the Motherland. And that means that there is only one duty to her: to give all her strength to the restoration of her homeland and for her feasible service ”
      4. 210ox
        210ox 14 May 2018 10: 56
        +3
        Open your eyes ... Orders of "Glory" of three degrees see. On the block WHAT?
        Quote: apro
        Olgovich. IVStalin's order to the account of the St. George ribbon can you provide?
        It’s strange to hear from you about the victory of the Soviet people. Hitler is the main fighter against the Jewish Bolsheviks. And the white officers you respect did not go to serve him for fear.
      5. Weyland
        Weyland 14 May 2018 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: apro
        and your respectable white officers did not go to serve him for fear

        And how many were there - when compared with the number of former white officers who fought against Hitler (for example, in the poppies)? Only ethnic Germans, like the same Rosenberg, do not need to be included in the list!
    2. Zadayvoprosy
      Zadayvoprosy 14 May 2018 09: 15
      +4
      screwed up antennas
      Maybe because such a symbol does not stand on antennas and generally sculpt on a car? This is even such a liberal as I, with disrespect I think, what can we say about your supporters ...
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 14 May 2018 11: 03
        +8
        Quote: Zadayvoprosy
        Maybe because such a symbol does not stand on antennas and generally sculpt on a car? This is even such a liberal as I, with disrespect I think, what can we say about your supporters ...

        Not in Russia I live and screw not because of my "disrespectful" attitude to the tape, but because of hatred to her, to Victory and the Russians.
        And the tape on the car with us is a little different than in Russia, it is a symbol of the fact that we are not afraid and proud of the Victory.
    3. Opera
      Opera 14 May 2018 09: 19
      +11
      Hello Andrey. Of course, this is a wonderful symbol of the continuity of the glorious traditions of the Russian army! In this regard, I want to say about the dissatisfaction with the St. George ribbon not only of Nazis of all stripes in the post-Soviet space, but also of home-grown admirers of a bright communist future and their socialist past that is no less deified! Contrasting the red flag with the St. George ribbon is already from the category of paranoia with signs of irreversible processes! According to them, the only purpose of spreading the St. George ribbon is to replace Soviet symbols! I honestly don’t know at all what and why to replace if official state symbols are approved, are used at official events in the prescribed manner and simply by people who wear them with pleasure and on clothes as well! Soviet symbolism is not prohibited in Russia and is also used by people at will without any obstacles! Moreover, Soviet symbols are used officially in the celebration of the Great Victory! Let me remind you of someone else if you forgot - in 2000, at the initiative of Putin, the Soviet anthem adapted to date was returned! Well, the banner of the RF Armed Forces is a commitment to glorious traditions and a tribute to the victims of a bygone era! In 2003, a new banner of red color was created with a double-headed golden eagle inscription Fatherland duty of honor and a well-known five-pointed star! In 2013, the Russian Defense Ministry returned red stars to military aircraft and helicopters! Why and for what reason to arrange such provocations with the opposition of Soviet symbols to everyone and everything ?! The history of our state did not begin in 1917! People should know and respect their history as they are! The red banner of victory and the St. George ribbon are the symbols of acceptance and veneration of the traditions of Russian weapons!
    4. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 14 May 2018 09: 54
      +2
      I think it’s not worth putting the St. George ribbon on everything, especially where it takes on a form that does not inspire pride.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 14 May 2018 11: 10
        +8
        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
        I think it’s not worth putting the St. George ribbon on everything, especially where it takes on a form that does not inspire pride.

        Tape Flying Over a Machine we-This is beautiful and great: immediately obvious, this is my brother, comrade and like-minded person.
      2. Fayter2017
        Fayter2017 14 May 2018 11: 33
        +7
        And I think it's worth it, the shop at our Ukrainian Natsik farts vomited from rabies!
      3. bk316
        bk316 14 May 2018 13: 25
        +4
        I think you should not put the St. George ribbon on everything

        It’s not worth everything. But I don’t see anything bad if a person openly says that he remembers the feat of our people.
        In general, gentlemen, you write ABSOLUTELY the right things (both Olgovich and Igor and you Dmitry), but I have a steady feeling that you were just hard touched ....
        1. Opera
          Opera 14 May 2018 13: 41
          +3
          Seriously?) If you find that before trolling (to be honest I didn’t notice) I wrote that it would be interesting to see something else.)
    5. Proxima
      Proxima 14 May 2018 16: 48
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      Worn and will continue to wear, although it sometimes causes inconvenience. Some people beat windows on cars. They screwed and threw out two antennas with a tape.
      But these are trifles.

      Really little things! The main thing is that these scumbags in kids should not be recouped!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 15 May 2018 10: 50
        +1
        Quote: Proxima
        Really little things! The main thing is that these scumbags in kids should not be recouped!

        We also dress ribbons for grandchildren, go with the children and with them to the “Immortal” regiment, teach, tell, how else can they pass on our relay race in memory of the Victory?
  2. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 14 May 2018 06: 50
    +16
    And yet, the symbol of Victory is the red banner hung over the Reichstag. And the St. George ribbon was popularized a little earlier than the Immortal regiment.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 14 May 2018 06: 56
      +3
      Quote: forty-eighth
      And yet, the symbol of Victory is the red banner hung over the Reichstag. And the St. George ribbon was popularized a little earlier than the Immortal regiment.

      The Communists excelled again this year, and began to pin the ribbon stylized under the banner of Victory to the St. George ribbon.
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 14 May 2018 09: 27
        +7
        Why not ... It's hard to blame me for sympathy for the USSR, nevertheless I consider the drapery of the mausoleum to be hypocrisy. And I think it's right to pin the red ribbon to St. George.
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 18
          +2
          The red bow is the emblem of November 7, as far as I remember.
      2. free
        free 14 May 2018 17: 31
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: forty-eighth
        And yet, the symbol of Victory is the red banner hung over the Reichstag. And the St. George ribbon was popularized a little earlier than the Immortal regiment.

        The Communists excelled again this year, and began to pin the ribbon stylized under the banner of Victory to the St. George ribbon.

        And your friends are celebrated every year, then they rename the street, then they dismantle the monument to Stalin or Lenin, or they open / hang a museum or a plaque to some shit.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 14 May 2018 19: 23
          +1
          Quote: free
          And your friends are celebrated every year, then they rename the street, then they dismantle the monument to Stalin or Lenin, or they open / hang a museum or a plaque to some shit.

          You are wrong, the Russian Military Historical Society of Russia has opened over the past couple of years several busts to Stalin, dozens of memorial plaques to the heroes of the USSR and also a monument to the Soviet soldier, a composition dedicated to the battles near Rzhev is being prepared for implementation. Monuments to Lenin do not dismantle, do not compose, if something was dismantled then at the dawn of the 90s.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 11: 39
      +5
      Quote: forty-eighth
      And the St. George ribbon was popularized a little earlier than the Immortal regiment.






  3. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 14 May 2018 06: 53
    +6
    I do not pay any attention to enemy tricks and perversions.
    For me, the St. George ribbon is a symbol of the fact that I remember the exploits of our ancestors and I am proud of them!
  4. Yak28
    Yak28 14 May 2018 07: 09
    +16
    I didn’t like the St. George ribbon as a symbol of victory, for me it’s just black-orange flat that means nothing. I never wore it, didn’t hang it on anything. For me, the symbols of victory are a red banner with a sickle and a hammer, red stars on our technique. And I will tell my children that they would know real symbols, and not invented nonsense. And this ribbon they introduced that they would not remind people of Soviet symbols once again (such as closing the mausoleum at the parade with plywood) under which Russia was at the peak of its military and political power.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 14 May 2018 07: 46
      +4
      Each holiday has its own symbols, on May Day, red services and red ribbons, on the Day of Russia, a ribbon stylized as a Russian tricolor, on Victory Day, respectively, a St. George ribbon.
      1. Each other
        Each other 14 May 2018 08: 56
        +12
        Whose Victory is the St. George ribbon symbol? No "St. George ribbon" has ever been a symbol of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War.
        And what kind of holiday "Day of Russia" that is celebrated on this day do not tell me? laughing
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: Saling
          No "St. George ribbon" has ever been a symbol of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War.

          postcard 68 years
          1. Each other
            Each other 14 May 2018 11: 46
            +10
            In the photo, the Guards ribbon is a two-color order (medal) ribbon that was used in the USSR award system. Or do you think that the Great Patriotic War was not won by the USSR?
            1. Borders
              Borders 14 May 2018 12: 03
              +7
              I myself am surprised how people confuse the Guards with St. George ...
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 59
                +2
                dei-no, how can you mix up the same thing
                1. Each other
                  Each other 14 May 2018 15: 42
                  +3
                  Well, yes, proceeding from the same logic, it is also impossible to confuse the cockade of the ROA and the Russian police

                  1. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 14 May 2018 21: 16
                    +1
                    So the continuity with the police of the European Union No. 1.
                2. reservist
                  reservist 14 May 2018 16: 14
                  +2
                  Well, if you really "dig", then not quite the same thing


                  but because the Order of Glory actually "copied" St. George


                  and there was even a draft decree of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, according to which they planned to equate the St. George Knights with the Knights of the Order of Glory, then in everyday life one became synonymous with the other.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 14: 48
                0
                Quote: Borders
                I myself am surprised how people confuse the Guards with St. George ...

                nor who doesn’t confuse anything, or do you think that the Russian Federation has no relation either to the USSR or to RI? !!!!
                it all stems from one another
                Compare the statutes of the cross of St. George and the Order of Glory
            2. Gopnik
              Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 25
              +2
              In the photo is the St. George ribbon, which was also used by the naval guard of the USSR. But this is not the case, because there are no ships on the card.
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 14: 44
              0
              Quote: Saling
              Pictured Guard tape

              on the basis of what was it done ?!
              Do you really think that you came up with from scratch?
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 14 May 2018 17: 09
                0
                No, I just don’t think so
        2. Gopnik
          Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 22
          +2
          Quote: Saling
          No "St. George ribbon" has ever been a symbol of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War.


          In fact, the medal "For Victory over Germany", established on May 9, 1945, was worn on the St. George ribbon. That is, it was.
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 14 May 2018 09: 28
      +2
      The USSR was not Russia .. but we are direct descendants of that country, and plywood at the mausoleum is certainly sadness!
      1. Merold
        Merold 14 May 2018 09: 35
        +6
        Quote: igorka357
        The USSR was not Russia .. but we are direct descendants of that country, and plywood at the mausoleum is certainly sadness!

        Sadness, not plywood at the mausoleum, but the Supreme Commander-in-Chief taking the parade while sitting. Personally, I have not seen such a disgrace anywhere.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 14 May 2018 11: 25
      +4
      Quote: Yak28
      I don’t like the St. George ribbon as a symbol of victory, it’s just for me black-orange flat that mean nothingso

      Very sad...
      And all you need to know is the history of your country, at least the USSR:Medal "For Victory over Germany
      Order of Glory, USSR
      MILLIONS of people wore them and were proud of them.
    4. Engineer engineer
      Engineer engineer 14 May 2018 11: 36
      +7
      Quote: Yak28
      I didn’t like the St. George ribbon as a symbol of victory, for me it’s just black-orange flat that means nothing.

      I have worked as a graphic designer for over 30 years. Since the 70s of the last century. And all these 30 years by May 9, I was drawing posters and panels with a ribbon from the medal "For the victory over Germany." I was born in 51 and I remember very well the soldiers of Victory with pride who wore this medal. And for the father, called up for "retraining" on June 10, 1941 and demobilized only in December of the 45th, this medal was one of the most significant. And it was.
    5. Weyland
      Weyland 14 May 2018 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Yak28
      Soviet symbols, (such as closing the mausoleum at the parade with plywood) under which Russia was at the peak of its military and political power.

      Is it a long peak? What is growing fast is falling fast! We need a constant stable growth, not a sharp jump followed by a deep recession caused solely by the crisis of communist ideology! We must take an example from the Chinese!
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 14 May 2018 18: 26
        +6
        There was no crisis of communist ideology; there was a betrayal of the country by the ruling elite, special services, and the army, as in 1917.
    6. Gopnik
      Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 20
      +2
      well, a matter of taste. Many are contorted by Russian characters. Ukrainian "brothers" will not let lie.
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 May 2018 07: 11
    +19
    A good position, all that does not like to declare enemy intrigues. Try to argue with the updated characters now. True, by the same logic, the swastika can also be justified, especially since in the countries of the East, it has been and is being used.
    Only here is the question. If starting in May 1945 the main color of Victory was always red, now there are two, tricolor and ribbon. Purely Red seems to have not been banned yet. But the authorities really want the people to forget that the Soviet people under the Red Star were the winner.
    1. tasha
      tasha 14 May 2018 08: 06
      +4
      A good position, all that I do not like, to declare the machinations of the authorities ..
      There is no Soviet people, there is no country like that - the USSR is also gone ... We must not forget about the past, but we live in the present and reflect on the future ..

      Sorry, I could not resist .. You read your comments and the impression is that you have such hatred for our country that you can’t calmly react to absolutely everything, both good and bad .. Is it a lie?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 May 2018 13: 49
        +7
        hatred of our country
        here you are mistaken, because we agree with you that we have one story at all times.
        That's just Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov, who deserved Georgiev before the revolution, and after the revolution he served the country and earned many more awards. And one Mannerheim who also deserved George, subsequently fought against our country. So you are mistaken. I love my country, but I don’t approve of those who, under the guise of patriotism, impose false values ​​and slogans on us, to put it mildly.
        1. tasha
          tasha 14 May 2018 14: 08
          0
          Thanks for the answer. This is an impression of your comments in general, and not just this article.

          As for the St. George ribbon and tricolor at the holiday, I can share my opinion. Our children live in the Russian Federation. And in parades, on holidays, they should go under the Russian flag, as a symbol of our country, whether we like it or not. Because their great-grandfathers-great-grandfathers fought under the red banner, but some fathers-brothers are no longer there ... And making the confusion and confusion, claiming that the flags are wrong, the ribbons wrong, is wrong .. The victory is something ...
    2. Alone
      Alone 14 May 2018 08: 20
      +5
      I also explain to my children that the Victory Banner is a red flag with a sickle and a hammer. And the St. George ribbon is ... the St. George ribbon.
      1. freddyk
        freddyk 14 May 2018 08: 42
        +9
        Quote: Alone
        I also explain to my children that the Victory Banner is a red flag with a sickle and a hammer. And the St. George ribbon is ... the St. George ribbon.


        That's right, and the Guards tape is the Guards tape. This is the one in the Order of Glory. And they did not award Crosses in the Red Army for the “For Victory over Germany” medals.
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 31
          +3
          Quote: freddyk
          That's right, and the Guards tape is the Guards tape. This is the one in the Order of Glory. And on the medal "For the Victory over Germany"


          she is a St. George ribbon

          Quote: freddyk
          Crosses in the Red Army were not awarded.


          Although worn previously awarded
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 14 May 2018 08: 45
        +5
        Quote: Alone
        I also explain to my children that the Victory Banner is a red flag with a sickle and a hammer. And the St. George ribbon is ... the St. George ribbon.

        So no one changed the Victory Banner, it is one of the state military symbols. And lately he has been gaining more attention than in the USSR.
        1. Each other
          Each other 14 May 2018 09: 05
          +6

          Nobody changed say
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 14 May 2018 15: 38
            0
            Quote: Saling
            Nobody changed say

            Some blunder and nothing more.
          2. Alex
            Alex 15 May 2018 21: 27
            0
            And who is the name of the order? Judging by the end, Kutuzov, but the beginning is generally not associated with anyone. And what is the inscription "1 bf"? Baltic fleet? But he had the acronym CBF. In general, what is it?
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 May 2018 09: 32
          +3
          There were attempts to change. In the 2007th year, the State Duma approved the official symbol of the Victory Banner. A rectangular canvas of red color, on both sides of which a five-pointed star of white color is depicted. And this year in Volgograd, the sickle and hammer were already glossed over.
  6. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 14 May 2018 07: 36
    +4
    Hatred of the ribbon appeared after the Crimean spring. It is also perceived as a symbol, “capture” of foreign territories by Russians, in my opinion this is the main reason for hatred, and only then smoothly flows into the historical plane. But it doesn’t matter to us that old symbols forbid and hate that the "new" updated. For us nothing changes. They are afraid of us, and they are afraid. They are afraid of our vastness and unpredictability. One elderly German in a tea break nowadays answered the question "why don’t you love", answered.
    -I don’t know, we are afraid of you and I just can’t understand why, but it is.
    Symbolism is a very powerful weapon. Even Belarusians and Ukrainians urgently hastened to launch their ribbons. Personally, I don’t like this symbol in recent years. Not like the symbol itself, namely its commercialization and excessive mockery. In hypermarkets on slippers and vodka on the holiday, schoolchildren compete whoever fastens the ribbons more .. men who fasten the ribbon on the holiday day to the car’s antenna ride with it all season, from the ribbon some dirty rags ... well, you understand what I mean. And this symbol of ours already elicits feelings similar to how some Believing in God, they see how priests are driving away at Merci and singing Murka at feasts.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 14 May 2018 09: 38
      +3
      Belief in God should live in the heart of a person and in his soul, and not in observing all kinds of rituals daily! In the same way, the memory of what our grandfathers and grandmothers and fathers did ... should live in our hearts, and not sticking St. George’s ribbons on everything that came to hand! The symbol is normal, put on a parade, went through an immortal regiment, took off his suit and hung it in the closet until next year, otherwise you said correctly, all year on antennas .. rags already! People themselves discredit St. George’s tape, youngsters drunk at the entrance and then with ribbons! Is it true that our ancestors were dying! Of course, I support the President in many ways, but for the mausoleum it’s minus .. personally from me!
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 14 May 2018 12: 07
      +1
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      They are afraid of us, and they are afraid. They are afraid of our vastness and unpredictability.

      They should not be afraid - they already realized that they stepped on the same rake! laughing After the WWII, Germany was lowered below the plinth - but she rose from her knees and got VERY angry at those who “stole her victory” (google “Balfour declaration”) - and first decided to “return her” (Sudetenland and Danzig), and then already tasted - the consequences are well known! Thanks hunchback am and EBNushke am below the plinth they lowered us - and without any war. Now Russia, too, has risen from its knees and in 2014 it began to “return its own” - only now, thanks to the presence of nuclear weapons, we are now much more dangerous for them than Germany of the 1939 model!
      1. politach-delivery
        politach-delivery 4 September 2019 03: 39
        0
        How does the climb go?
  7. onix757
    onix757 14 May 2018 07: 41
    +3
    A ribbon without a reward in itself is not a symbol. This is an element of a symbol snatched from Soviet paraphernalia.
    1. Heterocapsa
      Heterocapsa 14 May 2018 07: 51
      +1
      This is an independent symbol. Ask anyone on the street what the tape means for him. Most will answer ....- Well, it symbolizes ... and then substitute options.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 14 May 2018 09: 39
        +1
        That is, if you ask young people then yes, ask the older generation .. they will definitely tell you ..!
    2. freddyk
      freddyk 14 May 2018 08: 45
      +7
      Quote: onix757
      A ribbon without a reward in itself is not a symbol. This is an element of a symbol snatched from Soviet paraphernalia.

      Tired of repeating, St. George’s tape is not Soviet paraphernalia.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 11: 50
        +6
        Quote: freddyk
        St. George ribbon is not Soviet paraphernalia.


        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 14 May 2018 21: 23
          +8
          This is a Guards tape. Already enrages the desire of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to attach the rudimentary name of the tape to the Victory in the Second World War.
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 14 May 2018 23: 33
            +4
            Come on oligarchy, here on the forum half stubborn in marshal's uniform.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 May 2018 07: 18
            0
            Quote: zoolu350
            This is a Guards tape. Already enrages the desire of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to attach the rudimentary name of the tape to the Victory in the Second World War.

            the guards tape was invented from scratch or all the same the existing character was given a new life
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 15 May 2018 07: 22
              +3
              No matter where they came up with it. If we take her connection with the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, then it is GUARD without options, no matter how much the bulkhrusts, neovlasovs and adherents of the KhPP and other slaves of the Russian oligarchy would like.
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 15 May 2018 12: 19
                0
                "Guards" tape - in the Navy of the USSR
            2. freddyk
              freddyk 15 May 2018 18: 03
              +1
              Vladimir, how do you not understand that external similarity does not make the St. George’s Ribbon out of the Guards. And even the fact that Georgievskaya is a prototype. The whole essence is precisely in the name and the essence is that it is precisely and only Soviet. For example, no one called the Soviet TU-4 Boeing, although it is a prototype. Or the Russian flag with the banner of the ROA, although color to color. So why are we confused with tape. Both tapes have the right to life. Guards and Georgievskaya, these are two different tapes, with different histories. The symbol of the victory of the Soviet, (precisely the Soviet, and not Russian, as is now being promoted) people, more precisely one of the symbols, is the order ribbon of the Order of Glory, namely the Guards.

              What tape do you think is here?
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 15 May 2018 18: 26
                0
                "Guards" tape in the Navy of the USSR. It does not apply to the Red Army and the medal "For the victory over Germany."
                1. freddyk
                  freddyk 15 May 2018 19: 24
                  +1
                  Here he dug up: “As the organizers of the action“ I remember, I am proud! ”Explained, the Order of St. George is not connected with the current St. George ribbon. Its name is symbolic, and the tapes of Soviet awards from the Second World War are taken as the basis. Thus, the organizers of the action decided to choose a universal symbol for Victory Day, which would combine the memory of the courage of Russian people both in the times of imperial Russia, there and in Soviet times. In my opinion the question is settled. The manipulation of history.
                  1. Gopnik
                    Gopnik 15 May 2018 20: 05
                    0
                    And what's new in this phrase ??? Of course, with the current St. George ribbon is not associated the Order of St. George, but the medal for the Victory over Germany and the Order of Glory, which were worn on the St. George ribbon. This, in general, was understandable.
      2. Gopnik
        Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 33
        +2
        So do not repeat. Moreover, write a lie
  8. Gepirion
    Gepirion 14 May 2018 08: 21
    +8
    How much can you chew this chewing gum? Soon treatises will begin to write about the St. George ribbon. According to sabzh, I have to say that the author cunningly wrote an article, saying that if you are against the tape, you are Russophobe and obscurantist. Author, do you seriously believe that Comrade Stalin would approve the award in any way connected with the royal award? This is the first moment. Further, the author, although giving a link to the decree of the USSR PVS, apparently did not read it himself. It is worth paying attention to the description of the award, and specifically the pads. "The edges of the ribbon are bordered by narrow orange stripes." I want to ask where is the border? This is the second point. And thirdly, the author didn’t bother to read when the so-called St. George’s tape appeared in the modern history of the Russian Federation, with which particular action and what it now turned into ...
    PS Both of my grandfathers, blessed with their memory, went through WWII from beginning to end, and one of them started with Finnish, they never mentioned the St. George ribbon.
    1. freddyk
      freddyk 14 May 2018 08: 48
      +1
      Respect for your grandfathers. Probably they did not have time to fight in the First World War. Otherwise, they would have remembered about Georgievskaya.
      1. victor50
        victor50 14 May 2018 09: 07
        +6
        Quote: freddyk
        importance to your grandfathers. Probably they did not have time to fight in the First World War. Otherwise, they would have remembered about Georgievskaya.

        And where does the First World War and the symbol of Victory? I agree with those who claim that the tape replaces the true symbol of Victory - the Banner of Victory. And this is done according to the contradictory approach of our elite to the history of the state - Victory is positive, and the USSR is negative. Idiotic position. This leads to the fact that we have a parade in honor of the parade on November 7, 1941! And in honor of what was the parade on November 7, 1941 ???? And so in everything: whether I am smart, or beautiful?
      2. Anton71
        Anton71 14 May 2018 10: 02
        0
        We are talking about the Great Patriotic War, and not about the First World War
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 11: 52
      +6
      Quote: Gepirion
      Author, do you seriously believe that Comrade Stalin would approve the award in any way connected with the royal award?

      yes approved and shoulder straps introduced
      Quote: Gepirion
      "The edges of the ribbon are bordered by narrow orange stripes." I want to ask where is the border?

      develop eyes
      1. Borders
        Borders 14 May 2018 12: 06
        0
        rampant
        http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/comment/всё-плохо-
        miscellaneous-news-schoolchildren-1723238.jpeg
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 14: 51
          0
          Quote: Borders
          rampant

          fool
          I’ll tell you more about the chevrons in the ROA there was an Andreev flag and they had POGON, when will we cancel?
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 14 May 2018 20: 08
          +2
          Another one-month period, do not pay attention to such people .. they disappear very quickly .. This is me for you .. Borya Pograntsov! Well, in the sense that you are one-month-old .. and you’ll find it for a compliment .. laughing
    3. Gopnik
      Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 36
      +3
      Quote: Gepirion
      Author, do you seriously believe that Comrade Stalin would approve the award in any way connected with the royal award?


      Without any “would,” he did just that. As approved by the "royal" epaulettes and uniforms.

      Quote: Gepirion
      It is worth paying attention to the description of the award, and specifically the pads. "The edges of the ribbon are bordered by narrow orange stripes." I want to ask where is the border?


      In the sense of "where"? Border on the St. George ribbon, of course. Was there at the time of RI and was in the USSR

      Quote: Gepirion
      if you're against the tape, you're Russophobe and obscurantist


      And there is
  9. Gepirion
    Gepirion 14 May 2018 08: 53
    0
    Quote: freddyk
    Respect for your grandfathers. Probably they did not have time to fight in the First World War. Otherwise, they would have remembered about Georgievskaya.

    Thank you Perhaps, but I'm afraid if they would have fought in the WWII, I would not have found them.
  10. Conserp
    Conserp 14 May 2018 09: 14
    +7
    "St. George Ribbon" was created liberals as the next purely anti-Soviet and Russophobian share of oblivion aimed at crowding out and replacing Soviet symbols, the alienation of Victory from the Soviet people and state.

    The main marker is the Belodel-Khrustobakny word "St. George". The criticism of the ribbon on the left (by B. Yulin, for example) is connected with this and is completely fair. As all normal people know, all the bakers - then, and now - are all on Hitler’s side.

    Only thanks to non-brothers since 2014 this ribbon has become a full-fledged, well-deserved in itself symbol of the struggle of the Russian people against neo-Nazism.

    In general, it turned out as with the “Immortal Regiment”, which, if anyone does not know, was also conceived as a purely anti-Soviet action, which they had to go to with portraits of Vlasov and Bandera.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 14 May 2018 09: 42
      +4
      Is it possible about the immortal regiment, and the Bandera and Vlasovites are more detailed, otherwise I can’t understand something?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 11: 54
      +4
      Quote: Conserp
      The "St. George Ribbon" was created by the liberals as the next purely anti-Soviet and Russophobic action of oblivion, aimed at crowding out and replacing Soviet symbols, alienating Victory from the Soviet people and state.

      and how would they succeed?
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 14 May 2018 12: 07
        +5
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and how would they succeed?

        At the same time banning and crowding out red stars, sickles and hammers, portraits of Stalin, and so on.
        Declaring some idiotic dove a symbol of Victory, appointing Nicholas II as "spiritual supreme commander in chief", thrusting "millions of repressed" into victorious speeches.

        The ribbon was chosen deliberately - so that it smoothly passes and you swallowed it. Or do you want the enemies to always do everything stupidly, clumsily and primitively, as in cartoons?

        In the USSR, the ribbon was a decorative element on postcards. Relevant and important, but not a "mega-symbol." And, despite a clear continuity, it was not crispy.

        The substitution of historical memory - it is.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 16: 13
          +1
          Quote: Conserp
          At the same time banning and crowding out red stars, sickles and hammers, portraits of Stalin, and so on.

          fool

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            1. igorka357
              igorka357 14 May 2018 20: 12
              +1
              Where the stars have a blue border, do you have poor eyesight? I see a white border on the stars .. And the elegance in a red star on a red background without a border .. well, if you please, dear laughing And yet ... I'm still waiting for an answer about the Immortal Regiment and the Vlasovites with Bandera, otherwise you threw some poop on the ventel ... and yourself into the bushes ..
              1. Conserp
                Conserp 14 May 2018 20: 19
                +3
                Quote: igorka357
                do you have bad eyesight?

                Yes, my vision is unimportant. But what’s bad with you?
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 15 May 2018 07: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Conserp
                  Quote: igorka357
                  do you have bad eyesight?

                  Yes, my vision is unimportant. But what’s bad with you?

                  In 2015, Shoigu returned Soviet-style stars.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 21: 06
              +2
              Quote: Conserp
              homemade shit with a blue border

              are you fooling around or really like that ?!

              this is a photo of our planes in Syria
              Now the photo of the Second World War



              later time but USSR
              1. Conserp
                Conserp 14 May 2018 21: 27
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                this is a photo of our planes in Syria

                On which in high resolution it is visible the most

                Non soviet stars nifiga
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 15 May 2018 07: 50
                  +1
                  now it’s not funny anymore, you are either not quite adequate, or an ordinary troll, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY IDENTIAL TO THE SOVIET THAT THE RED STARS WITH THE WHITE RIM SHOWED THE PHOTO
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 14 May 2018 20: 10
          +2
          So what about the Immortal Regiment and the Vlasovites? Or did you decide to quietly leave the topic?
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 14 May 2018 20: 48
            +2
            Have you been banned in Google?

            Or are you so ineptly trolling?
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 15 May 2018 06: 51
              +3
              I’m not trolling, I just asked a question that for some reason you ignore! I immediately realized that there’s a blow to the fan, but you have nothing to object to .. lol
    3. Gopnik
      Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 42
      +3
      Quote: Conserp
      The "St. George Ribbon" was created by the liberals as the next purely anti-Soviet and Russophobic action of oblivion,


      The St. George ribbon cannot be Russophobic, because This is a real Russian symbol. Unlike the red banner, for example, which came to us from European leftists of the 19th century, and which I still use leftists of all stripes. In the "sickle with a hammer" and even the red five-pointed star, and even more "Russianness" - the first character was invented in Russia, the second got its filling from us and gained distribution in the world thanks to us.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 16: 17
        +2
        Quote: Gopnik
        Unlike the red banner, for example, that came to us from European leftists of the 19th century

        think before you write
        red banners and banners in the Russian army have a very ancient history
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 14 May 2018 17: 13
          +1
          Red banners, as such, have an ancient history according to all the mur. In Soviet Russia, the red flag appeared as a symbol of the revolutionary struggle of the proletariat, for the first time becoming such in France of the 19th century - the Lyon uprising and the Paris Commune.
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 14 May 2018 20: 15
          +1
          Not only in Russian .. very many armies!
      2. Conserp
        Conserp 14 May 2018 19: 54
        0
        Quote: Gopnik
        St. George ribbon cannot be Russophobic

        As an instrument in the hands of a Russophobe - it can perfectly
  11. 1970mk
    1970mk 14 May 2018 09: 21
    +7
    Weird "Patriotism". Was the St. George ribbon in Soviet times a symbol of victory? Yes, she was recently assigned to IT! The Soviet people defeated in the war! And the banners at the Victory Parade, the banners of the defeated enemy, threw to the steps of the Mausoleum actually. And he plywood is sewn up from the tolerance of the Authorities! This is called "Memory"! Stumble!
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 14 May 2018 09: 43
      +4
      Yes, that's right .. the mausoleum under the plywood is very disappointing!
    2. Gopnik
      Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: 1970mk
      Was the St. George ribbon in Soviet times a symbol of victory?


      Of course

      Quote: 1970mk
      The Soviet people defeated in the war!


      Well, yes, the people of such a state as the USSR. AND?

      Quote: 1970mk
      And he plywood is sewn up from the tolerance of the Authorities!


      I think you shouldn’t sew up, of course. It seems embarrassing that at the Victory Parade the party nickname of the German agent of influence, who advocated the defeat of Russia in the war with the Germans and capitulated to Germany, will be visible.
  12. Anton71
    Anton71 14 May 2018 09: 30
    +4
    What relation the St. George Cross (the award of the Russian imperial army) has to the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War is not clear. Probably the same as Nikolai 2.
    1. Each other
      Each other 14 May 2018 10: 58
      +6
      What are you! Everyone knows that Nicholas II passed the entire Great Patriotic War. He fought in the First Heaven. soldier I’m studying it in schools now! wassat



      Young people know this and honor his memory! wassat laughing laughing


      His portraits are worn with St. George ribbons
      1. Each other
        Each other 14 May 2018 11: 28
        +7
        By the way, can anyone explain how flags with the colors of the Bolivian football team are related to the celebration of Victory Day in World War II?

        1. Borders
          Borders 14 May 2018 12: 08
          0
          FC Shakhtar))
        2. Opera
          Opera 14 May 2018 12: 30
          +3
          Quote: Saling
          By the way, can anyone explain how flags with the colors of the Bolivian football team are related to the celebration of Victory Day in World War II?

          Bolivian football team ?! Think less than V.I. Lenin ?!
        3. Monarchist
          Monarchist 14 May 2018 16: 26
          +2
          Saling, come on without fussing. Nicholas 2 was a decent man, but the ADMINISTRATOR and this all explains. Alexander 3 was a MAN, yes, he loved his mother, and MOM is SAINT and his wife, but they could not dictate to him, and Nikolai 2 was torn between his wife and mother.
          Comrade Communists, you need to idolize Nicholas2: if Alexander 3 were on the throne and his son wasn’t sure, February would be sure, and even more so October. So Nicholas is also committed to the revolution. No joke, but seriously, Alexander 3 is unlikely to admit.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 14 May 2018 17: 01
            +5
            Quote: Monarchist
            Comrade Communists, you need to idolize Nicholas2: if Alexander 3 were on the throne and his son wasn’t sure, February would be sure, and even more so October.

            Hehe hehe .. I immediately remembered an old joke, back in 1967: smile
            The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decides: To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, award (posthumously) the Order of the October Revolution to Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov for creating a revolutionary situation in 1917.
          2. jmndslthr
            jmndslthr 14 May 2018 17: 14
            +1
            Socialist terrorists even Alexander the 2nd noticed, but somewhat late. and with Alex 3m they didn’t go anywhere .. until the civil storm itself (by the way for the whites), therefore, it is only a matter of time. after the Crimean war the process was unstoppable
          3. Each other
            Each other 15 May 2018 16: 39
            +1
            laughing Decent? And to kill cats from a gun and make diary entries about this, is this apparently a sign of exceptional decency? And after a crush on Khodynka, the "decent" king, as befits a decent continuation of the celebration .... laughing
    2. Gopnik
      Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 47
      +2
      Duc, everything is simple - the ribbon of this cross was used in the Soviet symbols of the Great Patriotic War. Yes, and he himself began to be worn by soldiers during this war.
  13. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 14 May 2018 09: 31
    +3
    Red flag symbol of victory. In battle, the Soviet people the winner walked under the Red Flags, and not St. George's ribbons.
  14. jmndslthr
    jmndslthr 14 May 2018 09: 40
    +2
    Well, if the form is the main thing, let’s give modern awards of the Russian Federation with the notorious “Iron Cross”, let's compare the form, it’s similar. In the context of the Great Patriotic War, St. George is the award of the collaborators of fascist ROA, etc.

    but there can’t be a Guards tape either, because we don’t have every Peyzanin guardsman, nor are cowards, sneakers, Mercedes and Mitsubishi guards ..

    As for the “May Day” red ribbon, the proletarian nature of the USSR, and as a consequence the economy, helped its people drive the second European Union into its original borders
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 14 May 2018 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: jmndslthr
      Look at the modern awards of the Russian Federation with the notorious “Iron Cross”, let's compare the form, it’s similar. In the context of the Great Patriotic War, St. George is the award of the collaborators of fascist ROA, etc.

      Ie do you think that modern Russia is a pro-fascist state ???
      1. jmndslthr
        jmndslthr 14 May 2018 16: 53
        +2
        “Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of financial capital ... Fascism is not superclass power and not the power of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen proletariat over financial capital. Fascism is the power of finance capital itself. This is an organization of terrorist reprisals against the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia. “Fascism in foreign policy is chauvinism in its most rude form, cultivating zoological hatred of other nations.” George Dimitrov

        do signs agree with the definition or not?
    2. Gopnik
      Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: jmndslthr
      In the context of the Great Patriotic War, St. George is the award of the collaborators of fascist ROA, etc.


      You would have told this to those soldiers of the Red Army who wore St. George crosses during the Second World War.
      And in the ROA did not reward St. George's crosses, you have to write nonsense.
      1. jmndslthr
        jmndslthr 14 May 2018 17: 16
        0
        go photoshop

        St. George's award - ROA
        "Order of Glory", "for victory over Germany" with flowers of the Guards ribbon - USSR
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 14 May 2018 17: 37
          +4
          This is NOT a St. George's award, no need to cheat here.
          1. jmndslthr
            jmndslthr 14 May 2018 17: 44
            0
            but "they didn’t come up with it themselves"
            1. Gopnik
              Gopnik 14 May 2018 18: 12
              +1
              Who, what "didn’t come up with" ??? What are you talking about ??
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 19: 17
          0
          Quote: jmndslthr
          go photoshop

          not photoshop - ROA veterans cross
          and with what fright is he St. George? !!!!
          1. jmndslthr
            jmndslthr 14 May 2018 19: 25
            +2
            there, below an article about ribbons and symbols, this one is specifically made based on the notorious "George" for the same purposes. I repeat in this discussion, there are regularly arguments that the Order of Glory is not just done, etc.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 21: 24
              0
              Quote: jmndslthr
              This one is specifically made based on the notorious "George" for the same purpose.

              a statute in the studio, by the way for the "notorious" those who received it could give you in the face

              1. jmndslthr
                jmndslthr 14 May 2018 22: 04
                +1
                immediately after getting into the marked face, by those who have boots, on “trophy” “thanks for winning” cars, on fly, etc.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 15 May 2018 07: 59
                  0
                  how do you like to translate arrows, answer for yourself
                  1. jmndslthr
                    jmndslthr 15 May 2018 09: 54
                    +1
                    For myself? I answered in the first comment chronologically in this thread that I do not think that any tape copying the award / distinctive kind / type of troops is permissible. not to mention that cheap materialization of the ideal is a way in a certain direction
                    1. Gopnik
                      Gopnik 15 May 2018 12: 23
                      0
                      In general, again from you only bubbles in a puddle. No wonder.
                      1. jmndslthr
                        jmndslthr 15 May 2018 14: 22
                        +1
                        I am so sorry (no) that I was able to disturb the peace in the monarchist puddle.
                    2. YELLOWSTONE
                      YELLOWSTONE 15 May 2018 14: 41
                      0
                      Yes, in any, just to blow bubbles
          2. zoolu350
            zoolu350 14 May 2018 21: 32
            +2
            Does the ribbon on this award badge remind anyone of nothing?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 15 May 2018 07: 35
              0
              Quote: zoolu350
              Does the ribbon on this award badge remind anyone of nothing?

              Serbia flag
              1. zoolu350
                zoolu350 15 May 2018 07: 37
                +1
                So your bulky-crunch idols from ROA are patriots of Serbia? But the men don’t know.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 15 May 2018 07: 51
              +1
              St. Andrew's flag will be banned?
              1. zoolu350
                zoolu350 15 May 2018 08: 04
                +1
                Of course, because he was tarnished by the surrender of the Nebogatov squadron under Tsushima and the use of the Vlasovites.
                1. jmndslthr
                  jmndslthr 15 May 2018 09: 56
                  0
                  here the same medals could not have been copied by the pre-revolutionaries. crosses and with do for example 3 ray stars, both radioactive and pathos
                2. Gopnik
                  Gopnik 15 May 2018 12: 30
                  0
                  Well then, red flags and five-pointed stars should be banned all the more. They were stained by the surrender of Raskolnikov’s ships to the British and the use by the Chinese in battles against our border guards at Damansky. Yes, and the Vlasov fought under them, before the surrender to the Germans.
                  1. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 15 May 2018 12: 39
                    0
                    So your masters from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation are trying to ban red flags and stars, but since they have solid plums themselves, and the biggest victories of Russia fall on the Soviet period, they have to endure, gritting their teeth, and occasionally throwing another bun crunch .... .. to test the reaction of society. I hope that I will live to see a moment when in Russia there will not be a single bulkhorst and the latter will be eliminated somewhere in Antarctica.
                    1. Gopnik
                      Gopnik 15 May 2018 12: 54
                      0
                      This is when they tried to ban red flags and five-pointed stars?
                      1. jmndslthr
                        jmndslthr 15 May 2018 14: 23
                        +1
                        https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2413199.html типа "инициатива на местах"

                        https://life.ru/829748 вбросы в ГД разных лет
                3. Gopnik
                  Gopnik 15 May 2018 12: 32
                  0
                  but in general, it is gratifying that there are practically no such repulsed Russophobes stuck in 1991 in the country
  15. Anton71
    Anton71 14 May 2018 09: 42
    +6
    And the bulk of the people are not against St. George’s ribbon, and no one mocks it, you just don’t have to wishful thinking. The Red flag with a hammer and sickle, a red star, and if the question is about the ribbon, was and remains the symbol of Victory. If we take the specific historical period of our country, namely 1941-1945. emperors, crosses, St. George the Victorious, etc. as if no one would like to have anything to do with it. The victory in the Second World War was won by the Soviet system and, accordingly, the Soviet people and exclusively Soviet symbols of victory.
  16. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 14 May 2018 09: 47
    +4
    Russophobes react to any Russian characters like hell.
    1. jmndslthr
      jmndslthr 14 May 2018 10: 05
      +1
      sympathize with CONR? there are royal symbols and Russians through the word, and even officers - the white bone of the nation!
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 14 May 2018 10: 12
        0
        Sympathize with CONR?

        No.
        1. jmndslthr
          jmndslthr 14 May 2018 10: 26
          +1
          It’s strange. By the way, apparently, Buddhistophobes around - they react aggressively to the ancient solar symbol too. - can anyone remember him?
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 14 May 2018 12: 12
            +2
            Quote: jmndslthr
            By the way, apparently, Buddhistophobes around

            then Hinduophobes, Zoroastristophobes, and Shintoistofoby - many who used the ancient solar symbol laughing . Only there is a nuance: the ancient solar symbol has its ends bent at 45 degrees, and the “forbidden symbol” is not a “good basis”, but the so-called. "gamma cross" of four "G", with a 90 degree bend!
    2. Anton71
      Anton71 14 May 2018 10: 38
      +3
      And here are Russophobes and Russian characters? We are talking about the symbols of Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, and these symbols are Soviet and in no way Russian.
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 14 May 2018 10: 44
        +2
        And which of the bands on the St. George ribbon is Soviet?
    3. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 14 May 2018 11: 12
      +3
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Russophobes react to any Russian characters like hell.

      Do you think Vlasov is a Russophobe or a Russophile?
      Having betrayed his Soviet Homeland and fought for Nazi Germany with its Jesuit ideology towards the Slavs, he was, by common sense, Russophobe.
      But on the part of the opponents of communism, socialism - Vlasov fought (by the way under the tricolor of the ROA) for a "new, free from communism" Russia. From the point of view of such "gentlemen," he is a Russophile and a patriot.
      So for what point of view do you push slogans?
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 14 May 2018 11: 29
        +1
        Do you think Vlasov is a Russophobe or a Russophile?

        Vlasov is a Soviet Russophobe.
        Vlasov fought

        Soviet Russophobe fought against Russia and the Russian people.
        under the tricolor ROA

        If Vlasov and the adventures of his militants mean more to you than Peter the Great and two centuries of Russian history, then ...
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 14 May 2018 11: 35
          +3
          Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
          Vlasov is a Soviet Russophobe.

          What is it like ?
          Destroy the Soviet Russians in concentration camps and revive, on the basis of collaborators, the new Russian nation and the times of the “French roll”?
          Oh well.
          Your idea since 90's almost worked out, but I advise you not to relax.
        2. Conserp
          Conserp 14 May 2018 12: 15
          +4
          Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
          Vlasov is a Soviet Russophobe.

          Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
          Soviet Russophobe fought against Russia and the Russian people.


          It remains only to say that Russia was not Soviet, and the Russian people were not Soviet, and the diagnosis is ready

          How are you, Natsik, fiercely sausages

          Anti-Soviet - always Russophobe
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 14 May 2018 11: 29
        +5
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Vlasov fought (by the way under the tricolor of the ROA) for a "new, free from communism" Russia

        See la ...
        The Vlasovs pass and go, but Russia remains.
        If you measure those of the bad people managed to lean against the banner - any banner is stained.
        You have a weak position, dear yes
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 14 May 2018 13: 24
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          You have a weak position, dear

          What?
          The fact that under this banner Vlasov gathered "fighters against communism"? Parallels unwittingly arise in connection with the 91 counter-revolution that took place with the demolition of monuments to Soviet leaders, the abolition of the CPSU and attempts to pour mud over its own past, in which most of the current "democrats" of a liberal sense were not in the last ranks of the very CPSU. Does their analogy with such a concept as collaborationism not wind up their actions?
          And it turns out that it was not the USSR and the Communists who defamed this very banner of Peter, but collaborators of all stripes and times who raised this banner in the struggle against their own people. Loudly said? Then explain the actions of the authorities after the referendum of the 91 year.
          And history must be known to all generations without silence and distortion, regardless of the political preferences of the ruling class. Or do you disagree with this?
          Now Soviet symbols, the meanings of Soviet ideology are washed out, and by the way successfully, since here they already say that Vlasov is a Soviet Russophobe.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 14 May 2018 23: 48
            +1
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Soviet symbols are now washed away

            Gosss ... "how stupid we are, bliiiin ..." (c)
            Symbols of the Hundred Years War Do you personally - remember well?
            This is a hint, if only ...
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 15 May 2018 00: 39
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              This is a hint, if only ...

              Annushka has already spilled the oil ...
              This is also a hint if ...
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 15 May 2018 00: 41
                +2
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                Annushka has already spilled butter ...

                Do not distort Bulgakov negative
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                This is also a hint if ...

                Dust swallow tired ... if cho laughing
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 15 May 2018 00: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Dust swallow tired ... if cho

                  Will you run so fast if what? laughing
      3. Gopnik
        Gopnik 14 May 2018 12: 52
        +3
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Do you think Vlasov is a Russophobe or a Russophile?


        Russophobe, of course. Moreover, Vlasov is a member of the CPSU and a participant in the civil war on the side of the Reds.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 14 May 2018 13: 27
          +5
          Quote: Gopnik
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Do you think Vlasov is a Russophobe or a Russophile?


          Russophobe, of course. Moreover, Vlasov is a member of the CPSU and a participant in the civil war on the side of the Reds.

          And about further adventures of this "patriot" why are we modestly keeping quiet? And who ultimately sentenced this Russophobe for his Russophobia, do not specify?
          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 14 May 2018 13: 37
            +2
            Why is "silent"? You do not know, or what? You asked - they answered you. Just remember that on the side of Hitler more Soviet citizens fought than white emigrants and kagbe no more than the former "red commanders" (many of whom were members of the CPSU) than the former "tsarist officers".
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 14 May 2018 13: 47
              +4
              Quote: Gopnik
              Just remember that on the side of Hitler more Soviet citizens fought than white emigrants and kagbe no more than the former "red commanders" (many of whom were members of the CPSU) than the former "tsarist officers".

              Oh yeah! Is this an indicator of those who disagree with the Soviet system in those days? lol As a percentage of the total population of the USSR in those years?
              Then can you give the ratio of the number of white emigrants participating in the fight against Nazism from their total number?
              And also remember how the brave tsarist troops who fought in World War I, after the 17 revolutions, massively passed under the banners of the interventionists of the same Germany in particular, with which they fought in the recent past?
        2. Conserp
          Conserp 14 May 2018 19: 59
          0
          Quote: Gopnik
          Vlasov is a member of the CPSU and a participant in the civil war on the side of the Reds.

          That is, at first he fought for the Russian people, and only then betrayed

          You, Natsik, already cringe

          Perhaps this helps to juggle?
          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 15 May 2018 12: 33
            0
            no, he always fought against the Russian people and Russia. Only, perhaps, in 1941 and early. 1942, before surrender.
    4. Borders
      Borders 14 May 2018 12: 08
      +5
      you need to know the story:
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 21: 08
        +2
        Quote: Borders
        you need to know the story:

        and?
        what is the knowledge?
    5. Conserp
      Conserp 14 May 2018 12: 19
      +2
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Russophobes react to any Russian characters like hell.

      On, react dear




      Anti-Soviet - always Russophobe
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri 14 May 2018 22: 36
        0
        Quote: Conserp
        On, react dear

        Bravo! good
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 14 May 2018 22: 55
          +2
          I’m soon banned for this forever

          VO - not our site
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 May 2018 07: 56
            +1
            Quote: Conserp
            VO - not our site

            you do not “feed” you, but directly answer questions
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 15 May 2018 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: Conserp
        Anti-Soviet - always Russophobe

        The stubborn scoop is always Russophobe, an internationalist who does not recognize nations and peoples confusing them into an amorphous Soviet people, who believe in the mythical friendship of peoples, only those who used to be "friends" in the Union after the 91st year began to kill each other, and still kill. ....
        1. jmndslthr
          jmndslthr 15 May 2018 14: 19
          +1
          needless to say, as a man of the feudal era, slaveholding and antique conventions were not recognized as essential. In your worldviews, you can backtrack arbitrarily back into nationalism, into feudalism into a primitive communal system, but fortunately, you cannot succeed in developing human development for a long time in a pleasant manner
  17. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 14 May 2018 09: 50
    +10
    The Soviet Guards tape was introduced after the appearance of the "Soviet Guard", which appeared in 1941 after the battle of Yelnya. Four infantry infantry divisions were awarded the title of “Guard Divisions”, and the Guard Badge appeared in 1942. Later, this ribbon was used to design pads for the Order of Glory and the medal "For Victory over Germany"
    The People's Commissar of the Navy, Admiral N.G. Kuznetsov, by his order No. 142 of 10 on June 1942, approved the insignia in the form of a black and orange ribbon on the visor caps of soldiers. In this order, it is called the "Guards." On May 5 of 1943 of the same year, he approved for publication the Illustrated Description of Insignia of the Personnel of the Navy of the USSR, in which her image was signed under the same name.

    "Guards" author, not "St. George". So where during the years of the war was the St. George Ribbon present as a name or symbol?
    Trying to impose pre-revolutionary symbols as “uniting” generations, while “forgetting” after “democratizing” the society about Stalin, Lenin and the USSR, which, as symbols of Soviet ideology, the Soviet system, defeated the whole united Western capitalism as a system with its ugly freaks in a terrible war - Fascism and Nazism and rewrite history for the sake of the current ruling system.
    So it really turns out that:
    "The St. George symbolism in the USSR united history, supplemented it and created a single canvas of continuity of our victories in a single thousand-year history."
    St. George symbols in the Russian Federation tore the single fabric of history, supplanted and replaced the real symbols of the Victory with tricolors, pigeons, St. George, Poklonsky with Nikoshka and black and yellow ribbons

    At the same time, one could still believe in the “good” beginnings of the ruling class, if one did not know that attempts had already been made in our country to legally ban the ruling party from historical Soviet symbols: a red banner with a hammer and sickle. How do you like it, and patriots? Victory Parade with a draped Mausoleum and without the Victory Banner, if their lawmaking "rolled"? Whose victory are we celebrating, gentlemen?
    After the failure to do it in the forehead, now we see a quite successful blow through the substitution of characters.
    1. Anton71
      Anton71 14 May 2018 10: 07
      +1
      The way it is!
  18. Barmal
    Barmal 14 May 2018 09: 51
    +2
    Thank. For support and story, for the completeness of the picture about the St. George ribbon.
  19. BAI
    BAI 14 May 2018 10: 57
    +5
    St. George and Guards ribbons are two different things.

    The confusion goes from here:
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 14 May 2018 11: 17
      +3
      On the left is the St. George ribbon of the sample of 1769, on the right - 1913.

      tape about three black and two orange stripes
    2. Opera
      Opera 14 May 2018 12: 00
      +6
      All the confusion from demagoguery! Every normal person sees perfectly what Soviet awards, insignia, traditions ... absorbed the traditions of the army of the Russian Empire! And this process is absolutely normal! Reading the comments of the current Orthodox, one has to admit that the leadership of the USSR during the war years was certainly much more sane than its followers who completely flew off the coils and saw a terrible threat to Soviet symbols in the St. George ribbon!
      In January 1943, an order of NGOs in the Red Army introduced shoulder straps! Do you know who then was indignant to disgrace ?! And the German propagandists who wrote that Stalin got scared and made concessions! Moreover, they wrote that the name of the army will be changed to Russian! Does this remind you of anything ?! And then in 1943, the Red Army not only put on epaulettes but also officers appeared in it !!! In 1942, the Order of Suvorov, the Order of Kutuzov, the Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, the Order of Alexander Nevsky appeared! On November 8, 1943, the Order of Glory was established. Someone will dispute the continuity of this award with the George Cross ?! And the sequence of rewarding (degrees only reduced to 3) And the tape ... If you really want to, you can call one St. George's. and the other guards - everything is possible! That's just the essence of this will not change! So the more I read the writings of the current Orthodox from Marxism - Leninism, the more respect the leadership of the USSR evokes during the war! Can you imagine if a friend under the nickname Sovetskiy and his ilk would occupy leading roles in the country's leadership during those war years, and say the secretary of the NPO Stalin would suggest returning shoulder straps and a bunch of orders depicting royal satraps supporting imperial tyranny?!?! Yes, Stalin would be shot right away for right opportunism and other revisionism, as an enemy of the people. a henchman of world capital and naturally espionage! In whose favor Mr. Sovetskiy will now tell us ...
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 14 May 2018 14: 43
        +2
        Oper, you are 100% right. The trouble with the current Orthodox is that they DO NOT THINK at all and do not read anything except where V.V. and the current course are scolded, and Anal and Ksenia are dropped and scolded V.V, V, what should they believe or think with their head?
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 14 May 2018 14: 23
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      St. George and Guards ribbons are two different things.

      Therefore, they made the GUARD the SAME as the St. George.
      Your hatred of everything Russian, at such moments makes you simple, sorry, funny. Like other "deniers."
      I would like Stalin to do something different (the Guards tape) from St. George’s, I would have done. But, he made her recognizable, GEORGIAN
      1. BAI
        BAI 15 May 2018 17: 29
        0
        Your hatred of everything Russian, at such moments makes you simple, sorry, funny. Like other "deniers."

        Extremely rare delirium.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 May 2018 05: 27
          +1
          Quote: BAI
          Extremely rare delirium.

          Yeah that's it
          Quote: BAI
          St. George and Guards ribbons - Different things.
          they are
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 16: 19
      +2
      that is, they took the guards tape and invented it from scratch? !!!!!!
  20. Essex62
    Essex62 14 May 2018 11: 54
    +3
    This symbol is certainly Soviet. On the banners of the guard flaunted, in caps, on orders and medals. A symbol of the Russian World for the occupied, Saki inhuman, outskirts of the Empire. Yes, in the Russian Federation the connection between generations gradually disappears, young people understand what their great-grandfathers did. And most importantly why. The joke about the Bavarian is still relevant today. There is also such a trend - it is fashionable Immortal Regiment. After all, there himself and all the tough guys are walking there. Hucksters - the bourgeois gradually turn the day of the Great Victory into a fashionable party. So far, the older generations quite sincerely commemorate the procession of those who died in that war, but time will pass and the Red Banner of Victory will not be taken to Red Square and the parade will be canceled. Because it was a victory over inhuman capitalism.
  21. NGK
    NGK 14 May 2018 12: 04
    +6
    Quote: freddyk
    Respect for your grandfathers. Probably they did not have time to fight in the First World War. Otherwise, they would have remembered about Georgievskaya.

    And one of my grandfathers, the Kuban Cossack, the real one, wore 2 "Egoria", so they called them, and 2 orders of Glory at the same time. Their pads are almost the same. He called ribbons on Egorii and Slavs Egorievsky. And his colleagues - grandfathers, old Cossacks, also said so. By the way, before the German also served in the convoy of a hundred E.I.V.
  22. Monarchist
    Monarchist 14 May 2018 14: 34
    +3
    Quote: apro
    Olgovich. IVStalin's order to the account of the St. George ribbon can you provide?
    It’s strange to hear from you about the victory of the Soviet people. Hitler is the main fighter against the Jewish Bolsheviks. And the white officers you respect did not go to serve him for fear.

    You need Stalin to write to you personally or believe Khrulev: "Stalin liked the idea of ​​the artist Nikolai Moskalev that the order would be worn on the St. George ribbon"
  23. Mariner
    Mariner 14 May 2018 15: 08
    +3
    But what is the difference or not? She appeared to her in any case and this cannot be changed. Even if thousands of professors argue with argument that it’s not a symbol at all or a symbol that I don’t care at all. Every May 9th I will wear it.
  24. Essex62
    Essex62 14 May 2018 15: 16
    +1
    Quote: Oper
    All the confusion from demagoguery! Every normal person sees perfectly what Soviet awards, insignia, traditions ... absorbed the traditions of the army of the Russian Empire! And this process is absolutely normal! Reading the comments of the current Orthodox, one has to admit that the leadership of the USSR during the war years was certainly much more sane than its followers who completely flew off the coils and saw a terrible threat to Soviet symbols in the St. George ribbon!
    In January 1943, an order of NGOs in the Red Army introduced shoulder straps! Do you know who then was indignant to disgrace ?! And the German propagandists who wrote that Stalin got scared and made concessions! Moreover, they wrote that the name of the army will be changed to Russian! Does this remind you of anything ?! And then in 1943, the Red Army not only put on epaulettes but also officers appeared in it !!! In 1942, the Order of Suvorov, the Order of Kutuzov, the Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, the Order of Alexander Nevsky appeared! On November 8, 1943, the Order of Glory was established. Someone will dispute the continuity of this award with the George Cross ?! And the sequence of rewarding (degrees only reduced to 3) And the tape ... If you really want to, you can call one St. George's. and the other guards - everything is possible! That's just the essence of this will not change! So the more I read the writings of the current Orthodox from Marxism - Leninism, the more respect the leadership of the USSR evokes during the war! Can you imagine if a friend under the nickname Sovetskiy and his ilk would occupy leading roles in the country's leadership during those war years, and say the secretary of the NPO Stalin would suggest returning shoulder straps and a bunch of orders depicting royal satraps supporting imperial tyranny?!?! Yes, Stalin would be shot right away for right opportunism and other revisionism, as an enemy of the people. a henchman of world capital and naturally espionage! In whose favor Mr. Sovetskiy will now tell us ...

    So they would have shot him if he hadn’t outpaced and cleared out all this Lenin Guard with their crazy idea of ​​a world revolution. Stalin saw a completely different way to expand the socialist system. But for starters, it was necessary to create real socialism in the 1/6 of the land. As an example for the proletariat in other countries. Which was implemented. Yes, and the masses themselves helped, unleashing WWII, expand the social camp.
  25. Monarchist
    Monarchist 14 May 2018 16: 04
    +4
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    Vlasov fought (by the way under the tricolor of the ROA) for a "new, free from communism" Russia

    See la ...
    The Vlasovs pass and go, but Russia remains.
    If you measure those of the bad people managed to lean against the banner - any banner is stained.
    You have a weak position, dear yes

    Golovan, you are 100% right: both revolutionaries and bandits fought under the black banner, the black flag was originally a symbol of Freedom. And the Nazis and the Reds had the red flag, and the swastika was in the Civil at the Reds and the Nazis. I remember once in the eighties in the magazine "Soviet Warrior" they talked about the FIRST SOVIET SYMBOLS. Wait, the star is an old Masonic symbol. In my opinion, Samsonov was also talking about swastika and more.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 14 May 2018 20: 02
      +2
      Quote: Monarchist
      star old masonic symbol


      Ooooh, damn the freemasons !!!



      The beaker-hrustobunner is a diagnosis.
  26. Monarchist
    Monarchist 14 May 2018 16: 57
    +3
    Quote: apro
    ©

    In that case, Stalin also obeyed Hitler when he received the locum tenens of the patriarchal throne, Metropolitan Sergius,? Having allowed service in churches and ordered the publishing house Atheist, by the way, it opened under Lenin, to give back to the patriarchate? Perhaps you do not know, but after the war there were many different artels — in fact, the same adjustment, but N. S. closed all the cooperatives as people worked for themselves there, he began to pin down the kings
  27. Cresta999
    Cresta999 14 May 2018 16: 57
    +5
    The article most clearly shows the substitution of concepts! The question is only consciously or not? St. George ribbon is a symbol of the Russian Empire. The battles of those years and the heroes of that time. Our parents were awarded and celebrated. guards tape. Yes, they are alike. Yes, one may be the prototype of the second. But this is not the same thing. This whole situation is caused either by the illiteracy of our media, or by the conscious desire of our government to "reconcile" us, the descendants of the Communists, with the White Guard disadvantages. As well as commemorative plaques to Mannerheim, the Yeltsin Center, etc.
  28. jmndslthr
    jmndslthr 14 May 2018 17: 02
    +2
    literally "Stockholm Syndrome" is surprising from a fair part of our population - you aren’t fooled, the monuments removed the factories destroyed, the mausoleum retouched the history was rewritten, and you joyfully look for similarities and excuses in the coffee grounds
  29. Monarchist
    Monarchist 14 May 2018 17: 17
    +4
    "declared the critic" George Ribbon Alexander Nevzorov "actually both Nevzorov and Dorenko and Kasparov and Kasyan and Anal are very close, but with their own nuances and ambitions, and Ogogo’s ambitions are there. The trouble is that they are talented and talents to the detriment of the state and people. If some of our comrades think that Nevzorov or Dorenko dream of the Soviet Union, the model of Comrade Stalin, they are deeply mistaken. He and M. S. turned out to be a harsh leader.
    You know, I won’t be surprised if they walk with a portrait of Stalin for their own greatness, Ksenia is decent in this regard, they have nothing sacred
    1. jmndslthr
      jmndslthr 14 May 2018 17: 23
      +3
      even broken mechanical watches show the correct time 2 times a day
  30. jmndslthr
    jmndslthr 14 May 2018 17: 45
    +1
    http://www.istpravda.ru/pictures/9053

    Symbols of Komuch - here is a ribbon in its pure form without planks capless orders and medals. as it is
  31. Romper Stomper
    Romper Stomper 14 May 2018 18: 30
    +6
    The St. George ribbon became the true symbol of the Great Victory on May 9, 1945. It was then, on the day after the signing of the Act on the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany, the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR established a new state award - the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945." As we know, it’s the St. George ribbon that fits the block of this medal.

    It seems that the author of the article is a propagandist of the Kremlin junta on a salary. Any normal person understands that the award ribbons bear the names of the awards, and therefore only the irresponsible or conscious manipulator with intent can be called the “St. George” ribbon of the medal “For Victory over Germany” or the Order of Glory!
    The purpose of introducing the St. George ribbon into circulation is to supplant and replace the traditional Soviet symbols of Victory with a new "old" cult - the St. George ribbon and the tricolor identical to Vlasov’s.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 15 May 2018 10: 59
      +1
      Quote: Romper Stomper
      agrarian ribbons are named after awardsand therefore call the "St. George" ribbon medal "For the victory over Germany"

      name the ribbon of this coin yes
      1. Romper Stomper
        Romper Stomper 15 May 2018 13: 42
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: Romper Stomper
        agrarian tapes bear the names of awards, and therefore name the ribbon of the medal "For Victory over Germany" as the "St. George" ribbon

        name the ribbon of this coin yes


        The medal "For the victory over Germany" with the help of an eye and a ring is connected to a pentagonal block covered with a silk moire ribbon 24 mm wide. On the tape are five longitudinal equal in width alternating stripes - three black and two orange. The edges of the ribbon are bordered by narrow orange stripes. "Black and orange ribbon of the medal" For the victory over Germany "" - is that name for the ribbon of this medal will suit you?
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 15 May 2018 15: 48
          +1
          Why bother with a garden when the name for this is “five longitudinally alternating stripes of equal width — three black and two orange. The edges of the ribbon are bordered by narrow orange stripes” of the ribbon have long existed, whether you like it or not — St. George's ribbon.
          1. Romper Stomper
            Romper Stomper 15 May 2018 17: 48
            +1
            Quote: Gopnik
            Why bother with a garden when the name for this is “five longitudinally alternating stripes of equal width — three black and two orange. The edges of the ribbon are bordered by narrow orange stripes” of the ribbon have long existed, whether you like it or not — St. George's ribbon.

            Yes, because the garden is fortunate, the St. George ribbon has nothing to do with the symbols of Victory, it only has to do with the awards of collaborators and traitors to the Motherland who served Hitler! In particular, the symbol of the collaborationist Union of the Struggle against Bolshevism created in Bobruisk in 1944 was the St. George Banner with the St. George Cross in the Middle Embroidered with Silver. That is why tying the concept of "St. George's Ribbon" to the Victory of Soviet soldiers in the Second World War is a mockery of their memory!
            1. Gopnik
              Gopnik 15 May 2018 17: 56
              0
              has-has, no matter how you would like the opposite. And this was perfectly understood by contemporaries, in particular the famous writer Vishnevsky V.V., who wrote in 1943: "The Soviet" George "was introduced - the Order of Glory for the rank and file, sergeant and junior lieutenants of aviation: a silver star on the St. George ribbon."
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 May 2018 05: 31
          +1
          Quote: Romper Stomper
          "Black and orange ribbon of the medal" For the victory over Germany "" - is that name for the ribbon of this medal will suit you?

          No, of course: You said that
          Quote: Romper Stomper
          award ribbons are called awards
          but they couldn’t prove it. There is NO such thing. request
    2. Gopnik
      Gopnik 15 May 2018 12: 38
      +1
      Quote: Romper Stomper
      Any normal person understands that award ribbons bear the names of awards


      any normal person understands and knows that medals could be worn and worn, for example, at Vladimirskaya, Georgievskaya, Andreevskaya, etc. tapes. Here is the same case.
      In addition, there are names for well-known well-known symbols - "St. Andrew's Cross", "Maltese Cross" and "St. George Ribbon"
      1. Romper Stomper
        Romper Stomper 15 May 2018 17: 20
        +1
        Quote: Gopnik

        any normal person understands and knows that medals could be worn and worn, for example, at Vladimirskaya, Georgievskaya, Andreevskaya, etc. tapes. Here is the same case.

        No, not the same case. Not every black-and-orange ribbon on a medal or order is St. George's, but only that with which the order of St. George, the St. George Cross, the St. George Medal was worn. All other ribbons for other awards similar to St. George's are NOT St. George's and are just black and orange ribbons, which you can read in the statute or description of the corresponding order or medal.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 May 2018 05: 36
          +1
          Quote: Romper Stomper
          . Not every black-and-orange ribbon on a medal or order is St. George's, but only the one with which the order of St. George was worn

          And how many ONE AND SAME names have? belay
          Quote: Romper Stomper
          other ribbons for other awards similar to St. George are NOT St. George are just black and orange ribbons

          But all the black and orange ribbons are St. George's. yes
  32. Yak28
    Yak28 14 May 2018 18: 40
    +4
    Quote: Gardamir
    If starting in May 1945 the main color of Victory was always red, now there are two, tricolor and ribbon. Pure Red seems to have not been banned yet. But the authorities really want the people to forget that the Soviet people under the Red Star were the winner.

    Our authorities rewrite history better than Ukrainian, they are ashamed of Lenin, they cover the mausoleum with a cardboard, the stupid tsar who scammed everything, almost a saint, Stalin who lived very modestly, who did not hide children from the war, and with it the most difficult war was won in the history of mankind, it’s also bad, even a bad taste to remember about it. Soviet victory symbols, a sickle and a hammer, a red star, a flag, are replaced by a black-and-orange cloth. The White Guards who fought for money from the West against heroes, a criminal, an emigrant Solzhenitsyn who watered his country from abroad also turned out to be a hero. And this list of lies can go on for a very long time wink
  33. mamchuralex
    mamchuralex 14 May 2018 20: 24
    +10
    Those who called the all-Russian action “St. George Ribbon” do not contribute to memory, but to oblivion of the feat of our people. During the years of World War II, they did not award anyone with the George Cross, and this award has nothing to do with the defeat of Nazi Germany. It relates only to the wars of the Russian Empire.

    Since 1917, it was not used at any Soviet state award, after the abolition of the award system of the Russian Republic, the St. George ribbon continued to be used in the award systems of the White armies. During World War II in the Russian Corps (part of the ROA and the Wehrmacht), who fought on the side of Germany.

    In the USSR award system, there was an order ribbon called the “Guard Ribbon”. The guards tape was used in the design of the pads of the Order of Glory and the medal “For Victory over Germany”. In addition, the image of the guards tape was placed on the banners of the guards associations, formations and units (ships). The Guards tape is related to the USSR and the Great Patriotic War, but is not related to the Russian Empire. The Soviet Guard was born during the Great Patriotic War during the Smolensk battle near Yelnya in September 1941. By order of the People’s Commissar of Defense, four motorized rifle divisions “for combat feats, organization, discipline and an approximate order” were awarded the title of Guards ”. In May 1942, the Guards badge was established. “The guards tape is an orange tape with three longitudinal black stripes printed on it.”

    With the start of the campaign, the St. George Ribbon in the Russian media began to call the Soviet “Guards Ribbon” the “St. George Ribbon,” which is wrong from both historical and heraldic points of view.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 May 2018 21: 17
      +3
      Quote: mamchuralex
      Since 1917 it has not been used at any Soviet state award

    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 14 May 2018 21: 17
      +3
      St. George cross on the guards tape ... smile

      ... and the Order of Glory on St. George's. smile
      1. jmndslthr
        jmndslthr 14 May 2018 22: 12
        0
        http://shayma.ru/katalog/ даж коммерсанты планки различают , им то бизнес , а не вера
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 15 May 2018 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: mamchuralex
      In the USSR award system, there was an order ribbon called the “Guard Ribbon”

      WHY is she a copy of St. George? What, another could not come up with?
    4. Gopnik
      Gopnik 15 May 2018 12: 41
      0
      Quote: mamchuralex
      In the USSR award system, there was an order ribbon called the “Guard Ribbon”. The guards tape was used in the design of the pads of the Order of Glory and the medal “For Victory over Germany”.


      Where in the official description of these awards is this tape called "guards" ??
      1. 1970mk
        1970mk 15 May 2018 13: 03
        +2
        The guards tape is a silk rep moire ribbon of golden orange color with three longitudinal black stripes printed on it. The width of the tape is 32,5 mm, the length is 1420 mm. The width of the black stripes is 6 mm, the width of the orange gaps between them is 6,25 mm, the edging width is 1 mm.

        The guards tape is laid along the edge of the Red Navy caps (capless) of the rank and file of the guard ships and units and is fixed at the rear seam with the ends of the tape remaining free. On guards ribbons, in the place located in front of the cap, the name of the ship, part or compound is superimposed with gold stamping, and on the free ends - anchors.
  34. Alex
    Alex 15 May 2018 21: 50
    0
    There is some confusion:
    During the years of the Great Patriotic War, about a million Soviet soldiers were awarded orders of Glory of the 3rd degree, more than 46 thousand soldiers received the Order of Glory of the II degree and 2678 military - Order of Glory I degree. Holders of the Order of Glory of the three degrees of steel 2671 human,

    A full cavalier is a person who has orders of all three degrees. But the award was made only consistently and exceptions, as far as I know, were not. So how is it that the orders of the I degree were awarded more than were full cavaliers.
    The same discrepancy in numbers and in Wikipedia, but there before the number 2671 is an important postscript: "according to updated data". If the author simply stupidly copied the information from Wikipedia, then why so carelessly?
  35. BAI
    BAI 15 May 2018 21: 55
    0
    Here, in my opinion, everything is correctly stated.
    https://yvision.kz/post/514466
    If anyone is too lazy to read, I will quote the main points:
    1.
    On the eve of the holiday, I watched videos of the Victory Parades in Moscow 1985, 1990, 2000-2007. and drew attention to the fact that for the first time the fashion for wearing black and orange ribbons on lapels of jackets among members of the Government appeared only at the 2007 parade. Undoubtedly, the Guards tape was depicted on posters and postcards since the Soviet times, but it was precisely in modern Russia that began to be worn on the chest and tied to the details of cars 8-10 years ago.

    Can anyone living in the Soviet Union recall such traditions?

    Please note that the disputes do not affect the wearing of the Orders of Glory or medals “For Victory over Germany” by war veterans, and do not at all concern the Guards ribbon depicted on posters and postcards, but, by and large, we are talking about a promoted trend that appeared on the initiative RIA Novosti and ROOSPM Student Community in 2005.

    2.
    But, if not the Guards tape, then what in reality is the official symbol of Victory? According to Article 1 of the Federal Law “On the Banner of Victory” adopted by the State Duma on April 25, 2007 and approved by the Federation Council on May 4, 2007:

    "1. The banner of the Victory is the assault flag of the 150th Order of Kutuzov, 1nd Class, by the Idritskaya Rifle Division, hoisted on May 1945, XNUMX on the Reichstag building in the city of Berlin.

    2. The Victory Banner is the official symbol of the victory of the Soviet people and their Armed Forces over fascist Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, the state relic of Russia. "

    Conclusion 4. The Guards ribbon is not an official symbol of Victory.

    3.
    History shows that different symbolism has always been used to rally like-minded people around a common idea. You are well acquainted with red bows, orange ribbons, roses, tulips, yellow umbrellas.

    St. George's (guards) tape - a PR move aimed at a good goal - the unity of the people, the search for the so-called "Russian Idea".
    On the one hand, it can be blasphemous, on the other hand, everything logically explains, including various inconsistencies (what else can you expect from modern political strategists).
  36. gsev
    gsev 16 May 2018 02: 49
    0
    It seems that the color of the St. George ribbon is fire and smoke. That is, the right to wear this sign has a person who has proved his courage, who was in battle under fire. Therefore, anger at this symbol among those who want to see Russians as obedient slaves, and not individuals who are able to protect their rights. And there is always the temptation to check whether he is worthy to wear the St. George ribbon.
  37. Sagan_bator
    Sagan_bator 16 May 2018 07: 57
    +1
    Do not lose sight of the fact that the authors of the "Immortal Regiment" campaign call the ribbon the St. George's, not the Guards. So, we can conclude that the ribbon in the minds of the organizers is not related to the Soviet Union. But each for himself is free to call her guards if he understands why our Soviet ancestors sacrificed their lives.
    But those who are behind this action, held on Victory Day, are supporters of a completely different future for us. Do not forget that attempts are being made to turn the "Immortal Regiment" into a procession. And if there is a procession, it means they will make us pay and repent.
  38. Sagan_bator
    Sagan_bator 16 May 2018 08: 14
    +1
    I personally don’t understand what kind of unity Putin is talking about. Over the course of 33 years, we have been building a class society, we are more and more divided into strata. Even if you look at the comments under the article, you can see a split in society. The ruling regime is actively rewriting history, do you really think that they are achieving universal prosperity? Their children, homes, property and money are abroad, and here we are swarming like spiders in a bank, and by the way, we live in the pre-war era! Personally, I do not see a peaceful resolution of the contradictions that have accumulated in our society. Maybe you will convince me, and I will become calm, but I have no reason for this yet.
  39. Sagan_bator
    Sagan_bator 16 May 2018 08: 55
    0
    To consider how many specific bands and what shades I consider a waste of time, the main thing is to figure out what meanings are behind the St. George and Guards ribbons. St. George personifies the tsarist regime and feudal society with its inherent lack of social justice and imperialist wars. Behind the Guards tape is the Socialist Fatherland, the ideas of progress, freedom and equality. So, comrades, make a choice on whose side you are, on the side of gentlemen, priests, or whether the ideas of equality and brotherhood are close to you.
  40. Antares
    Antares 18 May 2018 22: 29
    0
    I understand that the Guards (and not St. George's) ribbon / color refers to Victory (and by the way, it is not prohibited on orders of veterans, also on Orders of memorial plaques)
    It should be clarified that it is precisely because of symbolism that it is banned in Ukraine (it was used by ORDILO). If this was not a ban, the same would not be. Repeat on orders wear-free. Naturally not fakes.
    Our law specified the Guards / Georgievskaya, in order to exclude a dispute what tape is there.
    However, this has little effect on the symbol of Victory. All that with the colors of the Guards ribbon on the orders is allowed.
    And it’s worthless to sculpt symbols in all sorts of places.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 21 May 2018 11: 46
      0
      The red banner under which they went into battle will develop over Kiev.
      Bandera will again kneel and beg for mercy.
  41. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb 28 March 2019 17: 15
    0
    The symbol of our victory is the red banner over the Reichstag and I.V. Stalin!