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Experts explain the reason for the "inefficiency" of the "Shell" in Syria

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The Syrian complex “Pantsir-C1” could not repel the impact of the Israeli Spike missile, since it is not suitable for the destruction of such missiles, the opinion of Russian expert Konstantin Makienko is cited.




On Thursday, the Israeli Defense Ministry published a video of the destruction of a Spike NLOS missile of the C-1 armor complex during a recent Israeli attack on Syria.

But the C-1 Shell is simply not designed to protect against Spike. This is an anti-tank missile launched from ground complexes. A "shell" is optimized for work on air targets, but not on anti-tank missiles

- said the expert. At the same time, the expert, apparently, did not have time to get acquainted with the video, which indicates that the ZRPK was not even in combat readiness.

In the course of the Israeli attack on the positions of the Syrian army at the foot of the Golan Heights, obviously, not only aviation. Most likely, Israeli-made Pereh self-propelled guns were also involved. They are just equipped with Spike NLOS missiles. The flight range of Spikes is up to 25 km. The village of Khan-Arnaba, near which the "Shell" was destroyed, is located on the border with the Golan Heights. That is, an Israeli self-propelled gun could well "cover" the Syrian complex.

It is also impossible to exclude an option in which the complex was not alerted. Perhaps there was no crew at that moment either. At a sudden approach of the rocket, the complex could not repel the attack

- suggested the ex-commander of the 4-th Air Force Air Force and Air Defense Valery Gorbenko. Namely, this is confirmed by the Israeli video.

This option was previously considered by the Russian media. It was noted that the video frames are clearly visible, as the Syrian officer runs to the car and runs up just in time for the approach of the rocket.

In addition, the Israeli Defense Ministry reported the destruction of Buk-М1-2, С-200 and С-75 anti-aircraft complexes during strikes.

The press service said that the attack was a response to the attempts of Syria to shoot down Israeli planes.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 May 2018 13: 05
    +19
    The Syrian complex "Shell-S1" could not repel the strike of the Israeli Spike missile, because it is not suitable for the destruction of such missiles, Rambler leads the opinion of Russian expert Konstantin Makienko.

    Well ... The same expert as the RPG-7 pipette. I doubt that this expertD saw the record, not what he studied. fool
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 11 May 2018 13: 06
      +8
      Bad advertising on the Shell ..
      The C-1 Shell is simply not designed to protect against Spike.
      this is apparently due to an insufficient angle of attack, unless of course the expert understands this issue.
      And if there were attempts to bring down their planes, then why not shot down?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 11 May 2018 13: 08
        +45
        Quote: maxim947
        Bad advertising on the Shell ..

        This is not advertising and not anti-advertising ... this is a dumb vyser of a man who was heavier than a mouse and did not hold anything in his hands and squinted from the army, as Papa ordered.
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 11 May 2018 13: 11
          +19
          It is possible, but the fact of the destruction of the Shell on the face.
          1. mkop
            mkop 11 May 2018 13: 16
            +27
            Was the shell itself supposed to shoot, without a crew?
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              1. Mestny
                Mestny 11 May 2018 13: 30
                0
                Why is it unknown?
                Watch the video carefully.
                1. maxim947
                  maxim947 11 May 2018 13: 35
                  +6
                  A man runs to the complex. Who is running? Why is he running? where is the whole crew? It’s better to wait for the MO statement.
                  1. Thrall
                    Thrall 11 May 2018 13: 45
                    +10
                    Where can I learn to be an "expert" smile
                    1. sergo1914
                      sergo1914 11 May 2018 19: 05
                      +14
                      Quote: Thrall
                      Where can I learn to be an "expert" smile


                      Month of reading comments on VO.
                      1. prorab_ak
                        prorab_ak 11 May 2018 21: 22
                        +1
                        Where can I learn to be an "expert" smile

                        Quote: sergo1914
                        Month of reading comments on VO.

                        Ay good !!! laughing
                      2. lis-ik
                        lis-ik 11 May 2018 22: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: sergo1914
                        Quote: Thrall
                        Where can I learn to be an "expert" smile


                        Month of reading comments on VO.

                        + + + + + +
                  2. Galleon
                    Galleon 11 May 2018 13: 56
                    +35
                    You are told in the article that the Russian media spotted a Syrian officer in the running (it’s strange why they didn’t mention the rank).
                    In general, it was scratched to my liking - the last second of a military man’s life - that’s the whole Internet. I ran to my weapon. Kingdom of Heaven to honest soldiers.
                    1. Awaz
                      Awaz 11 May 2018 16: 25
                      +10
                      What do you dislike? I watched the video from the rocket. it clearly shows that the crew is on the left side and it is even visible that the radar antenna is not spinning. Then, it is clearly visible that someone ran to the Shell, probably noticing an approaching rocket, but was late.
                      Why this happened - you need to understand. However, this does not say at all that the Shell could not have shot down a rocket if it was in a combat situation
                      1. Dissensio
                        Dissensio 12 May 2018 15: 34
                        +2
                        If he had noticed a rocket, he would have run the other way.
                        And in general, he physically could not notice a rocket flying directly at him. Most likely, he noticed a plane that launched a rocket. And he ran to the Shell. Just at that time, the rocket flew over.
                2. lis-ik
                  lis-ik 11 May 2018 22: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Why is it unknown?
                  Watch the video carefully.

                  and I’m reminded of another video. In one of the issues of the Polygon program, as favorable conditions did not suit the Shell, he failed half of the tasks. In my non-professional opinion, “Thor” will be better.
                  1. Romka47
                    Romka47 15 May 2018 10: 27
                    +1
                    But in my non-professional opinion, the AK-47 will be much “better” than the TT-33, so what? Shell and Top, like AK and TT, are designed to perform different tasks, albeit in the same field.
              2. barclay
                barclay 11 May 2018 13: 46
                +12
                Quote: maxim947
                then the Syrians cranks starting with the letter m

                Exactly..! I completely agree. This is either the result of the carelessness of the calculation, which, being in the war zone, allows itself to “click the beak”, or the imperfections of the Syrian air defense system. If one calculation did not work, then another should have worked. I do not believe that the "Shell" can not shoot down such missiles. The video shows that the rocket is attacking from above, which means it should be in the visibility range of the air defense system. It is also seen that the car was in a stowed position.
                1. Berkut154
                  Berkut154 11 May 2018 14: 54
                  +8
                  The problem is not that the car was in a stowed position. Only a blind woman could not see her from birth! Put on the axial runway as three poplars on ivy ... .. masking zero.
                2. Doronkabilio
                  Doronkabilio 12 May 2018 09: 07
                  +3
                  Barclay sings a traditional song. This song has been heard since 1966. Each time, the Soviet (Russian) technology does not show itself in the best way, a song begins about stupid and inept Arabs who were unable to take advantage of the unique weapons of the world
                  1. barclay
                    barclay 14 May 2018 11: 23
                    +2
                    What to do, dear, "traditional song", as you say, arises from the traditional situation.
                    Quote: Doronkabilio
                    when Soviet (Russian) technology does not show itself in the best way ...

                    It is clear here as a white day that it was not the best technique that showed itself, but the organization of an air defense system.
                    “Spike” would not have reached the target if the “Carapace” was in a combat position, or it would be covered by another calculation.
                  2. tun5t
                    tun5t 14 May 2018 11: 32
                    0
                    Jews have little punishment for the crucifixion, 2000 years as a leaf in the toilet floundered, now they are waiting for the "abomination of desolation." With such ambition ....
            2. dorz
              dorz 11 May 2018 13: 26
              +8
              explained the reason for the "inefficiency" of the "Shell" in Syria

              This suggests that before the raids air defense systems will be destroyed in the first place. Only the inevitability of causing unacceptable damage guarantees against any aggression.
              1. Zina389
                Zina389 11 May 2018 17: 56
                +3
                this suggests that the Syrians were warned that the attack on Israeli aircraft would not go unanswered. When they didn’t shoot, nobody touched them either.
                1. artifact
                  artifact 11 May 2018 18: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: Zina389
                  this suggests that the Syrians were warned that the attack on Israeli aircraft would not go unanswered. When they didn’t shoot, nobody touched them either.

                  and nobody touched Israeli planes until they started to hit the Syrians
            3. otmer3
              otmer3 11 May 2018 13: 50
              0
              Well, actually there is such a function in it
            4. Lavrenti Pavlovich
              Lavrenti Pavlovich 11 May 2018 14: 23
              +12
              Quote: mkop
              Was the shell itself supposed to shoot, without a crew?

              The carapace can shoot itself only if it is turned on. I already wrote about the Arab warriors and how they relate to modern technology. You can recall all the wars of the Arabs against Israel, where, having the advantage, the Arabs always lost.
            5. Vadim237
              Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 39
              0
              But the “Shell” doesn’t have an automated work system, without a crew.
            6. den3080
              den3080 11 May 2018 15: 00
              +14
              a fairly common story for the Middle East and Arabs. Arabs are not warriors.
              how many Soviet technology was killed for no reason during the Arab-Israeli wars. for hands from w ... s are growing.
              They have at least a carapace, even a carapace - they scorn.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 11 May 2018 21: 48
                +5
                Pigs, not warriors :: the mind isn’t even enough to put the installation in shelter - but if it’s figuring a freebie itself :: they will burn it up - the Russians will give a dozen more - what to protect them ...
                And in their villages, these osloboly still live in the Stone Age, and camels are milked - that’s all their civilization ...
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 11 May 2018 13: 16
            +23
            Quote: maxim947
            It is possible, but the fact of the destruction of the Shell on the face.

            Destruction of NOT WORKING SHELF. Without the included radars and without calculation inside.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 11 May 2018 13: 19
              +7
              Oh sure. But why did he NOT WORK? When should have been during a massive blow.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 11 May 2018 13: 21
                +11
                Quote: Shahno
                Yes of course. But why did he NOT WORK?

                There was nothing to work, everything worked
                1. Netzah netzah
                  Netzah netzah 11 May 2018 22: 02
                  +3
                  The video was shot through a thermal imager, the trunks are cold. So he didn’t work.
              2. mkop
                mkop 11 May 2018 13: 21
                +20
                Because the crew was standing nearby, this can be seen in the video. The rest is speculation.
                What does this have to do with Shell effectiveness? This is not an autonomous decision-making robot on the go.
              3. NEXUS
                NEXUS 11 May 2018 13: 21
                +25
                Quote: Shahno
                But why did he NOT WORK?

                Because the Syrian calculation are the same air defense nicknames as this Makienko expert.
                1. maxim947
                  maxim947 11 May 2018 13: 37
                  +14
                  Because the Syrian calculation are the same air defense nicknames as this Makienko expert.
                  This is more like the truth, plus Makiyenko’s constant guest of the Echo, with all that it implies.
              4. Genry
                Genry 11 May 2018 13: 29
                +7
                Quote: Shahno
                Oh sure. But why did he NOT WORK? When should have been during a massive blow.

                Yes, he was not even in the position. He stood in the middle of the strip ... Apparently they chose a place where to deploy it and made a “smoke break”.
                1. Hammerlock
                  Hammerlock 11 May 2018 16: 14
                  +4
                  Yes, he was not even in the position. He stood in the middle of the strip ... Apparently they chose a place where to deploy it and made a “smoke break”.
                  rather prayer yes
                  1. parkello
                    parkello 11 May 2018 20: 20
                    +4
                    I thought so too from the beginning. probably went to prayer and did not have time to turn it on later. Well, as long as they bow down, they will not be smashed by Israelis for the first time. We Christians also pray and also go to services, but there is duty on duty. even on Easter, there must always be someone. who will be on duty so that others can pray or relax. and then prayer, the mall shouted from the minaret and everyone went to bow. They took out the mats. They removed the shoes ... well, they become vulnerable for any enemy. and who is that who will miss a chance while they are not at military posts?)
                2. Alekhanets
                  Alekhanets 11 May 2018 20: 18
                  +1
                  yes what a smoke break, look carefully at the video on the ground, the mats are lying, prayer time
              5. Totah155
                Totah155 11 May 2018 16: 22
                +3
                Quote: Shahno
                Oh sure. But why did he NOT WORK? When should have been during a massive blow.

                Well, how?
                They have already learned that when a raid occurs, it is better to get out of the way.
                And in no case do not turn on the device.
              6. Stiletto_711
                Stiletto_711 11 May 2018 19: 44
                0
                Quote: Shahno
                But why did he NOT WORK?

                And it was the "Carapace" which was turned upside down the other day. He is generally broken laughing
              7. Mih1974
                Mih1974 12 May 2018 09: 08
                0
                Because "it’s easy to smash the American battleships when they are in port and there’s no readiness for raiding enemy aircraft" negative fool
                Not a single tomahawk or another rocket fell on Khmeimi or Tartus = what is the reason for their "crap"?
                Do not distort, we do not care about the reasons for the inactivity of the installation of the destroyed missile, this does not characterize its capabilities or combat effectiveness. tongue
                In our hands - she’s knocking down “sudden” Turkish planes with a bang, yours will turn up and yours will be knocked down. good
                And the claims for curvature and oslomozgovost - to the Arabs we "don’t Aibolit" them.
            2. Vladimir_R
              Vladimir_R 11 May 2018 13: 23
              +23
              I am not an "expert" in air defense. I can only assume that the "Shell" was not turned on and without a combat crew inside. But for me, as a layman, a rather predictable question arises: how did the Israelis guess that there would be air defense, how did it happen that they were able to destroy the "non-luminous" air defense system very precisely? What do you think?
              1. mkop
                mkop 11 May 2018 13: 28
                +7
                But how can you destroy a standing and “not fonning”, for example, a house rocket? And how can you fight without intelligence?
                1. Vladimir_R
                  Vladimir_R 11 May 2018 13: 35
                  +11
                  Not really. I can imagine how a house (building) can be destroyed. But in the video, if it is not a fake, as they say, a wheeled, moving means. It stands there today, tomorrow not there. The video clearly shows that it is on the runway. I doubt something can stand on the runway for days, weeks, or months. How did it happen that the Israelis “guessed” that at this moment, at this particular time, this equipment would be installed?
                  1. Muxalet
                    Muxalet 11 May 2018 14: 21
                    +7
                    Drones, satellites, ground target indicators ... or a sensor somewhere under the bottom squeaked its coordinates ..
                    1. Romka47
                      Romka47 15 May 2018 10: 51
                      +1
                      Yes, everything is much simpler, just there are Israeli gunners (agents) in the ranks of the SAA, called now said there, there is a shell, there is soon prayer, the crew will go to pray .... well, or something like that, yes, I think Near the Golan heights every meter is viewed, listened, probed
                  2. keeper03
                    keeper03 11 May 2018 18: 01
                    +1
                    Before a strike, reconnaissance is usually carried out: satellites, drones, Poseidons! And who helped the Jews here and do not need to go to the forest - the USA !!! am angry
                  3. Mih1974
                    Mih1974 12 May 2018 09: 13
                    +1
                    What are you building a fool out of yourself - there is not "drying out" whose only intelligence is not grazing and the staff and ours and Yzraislkaya, maybe even whose. For a long time already these data immediately, in real time, come to the command centers - and there they "saw" that there is a "fool" without nifig and just waits for it to be bombed. negative
              2. MPN
                MPN 11 May 2018 13: 31
                +6
                Quote: Vladimir_R
                a "non-luminous" air defense installation? What do you think?

                I think that the detection of ground targets is possible, or rather carried out using a radar ... Whether it is a tank or something else ...
              3. NEXUS
                NEXUS 11 May 2018 13: 33
                +7
                Quote: Vladimir_R
                What do you think?

                UAV small size ...
                1. Vladimir_R
                  Vladimir_R 11 May 2018 13: 45
                  +7
                  UAV small size ...

                  Maybe. This is permissible, but he (UAV) had to fly there more than once, which had to be repeatedly fixed by means of air defense, which, in fact, should be in a combat situation. The same air defense, in a fighting position, “missed” (probably) a strike device the size of a UAV. Do you think that you just "squeaked"?
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 11 May 2018 13: 49
                    +5
                    Quote: Vladimir_R
                    Do you think that you just "squeaked"?

                    Judging by discipline ... yes easy. They did not even put the Shell into automatic scanning mode and left. And the Jews apparently led them, well, and waited for their finest hour.
                    1. Vladimir_R
                      Vladimir_R 11 May 2018 14: 08
                      +7
                      And the Jews apparently led them, well, and waited for their finest hour.


                      What do you mean by the phrase "have waited their finest hour"? I really hope that you are not one of those who cultivates a sense of superiority in your soul. Is it dangerous.
                      If it was as you say, then the Israelis can only applaud - an excellent operation. War is a way of deception, as a very wise Asian used to say.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 11 May 2018 14: 13
                        +5
                        Quote: Vladimir_R
                        What do you mean by the phrase "have waited their finest hour"?

                        I believe that Jews with small UAVs monitored the area in the area of ​​a possible strike. Well, they waited for the Syrians to go out for a smoke break with the air defense system turned off and the rocket went to the target. Here is the minute of glory - the Russian unkillable shell was flunked.
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 11 May 2018 14: 24
                        +7
                        Quote: Vladimir_R
                        If it was as you say, then the Israelis can only applaud - an excellent operation. War is a way of deception, as a very wise Asian used to say.

                        Israel has been fighting almost since its foundation. And for so many years, very worthy warriors have grown there. Unlike for example the Syrians.
              4. zhekazs
                zhekazs 11 May 2018 13: 45
                +6
                Intelligence by drones, perhaps ... Satellite imagery ... Observers in the area ... There are many options. The question is, what was it - negligence of the calculation / command of the SAA? After all, they are not there at the resort, in fact. There are charters, finally ...
                1. Leon68
                  Leon68 11 May 2018 18: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: zhekazs
                  Intelligence by drones, perhaps ... Satellite imagery ... Observers in the area ... There are many options. The question is, what was it - negligence of the calculation / command of the SAA? After all, they are not there at the resort, in fact. There are charters, finally ...

                  What are the Arabs charters ?! What are you talking about? Read Wagner's reviews of Arab warriors. They are at war, the time of dinner has come, they have abandoned everything and have been taken down from the position of hawking. And the Urus at this time is chopped with barmaley. So, quite possibly, the Shell could be without a crew.
                  1. UAZ 452
                    UAZ 452 12 May 2018 07: 36
                    +1
                    Think about it: should they supply more expensive air defense systems? All the same, it will be - until the first prayer, and then the crew on their rugs, and the complex is abandoned. The target, in short.
              5. DimerVladimer
                DimerVladimer 11 May 2018 13: 59
                +2
                Quote: Vladimir_R
                I am not an "expert" in air defense. I can only assume that the "Shell" was not turned on and without a combat crew inside. But for me, as a layman, a rather predictable question arises: how did the Israelis guess that there would be air defense, how did it happen that they were able to destroy the "non-luminous" air defense system very precisely? What do you think?


                Israel has been using reconnaissance drones for a long time, what is stopping now?
                The crew was caught aback - Arabs ...
                1. Genry
                  Genry 11 May 2018 14: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: DimerVladimer
                  The crew was caught aback - Arabs ..

                  In the bmpd blog, they gave the info that the Shell was already firing and was waiting for a reload.
                  https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3195003.html
              6. sabakina
                sabakina 11 May 2018 14: 09
                +3
                Quote: Vladimir_R
                but how did the Israelis guess that there would be anti-aircraft defense, how did it happen that they were able to destroy the "non-shining" anti-aircraft defense system very precisely? What do you think?
                And the second moment of copper is surprising. ATGM from self-propelled guns at 25 km. Do they see everything there like that? And yes, anti-tank systems for 25 km .... request
                1. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane 11 May 2018 16: 58
                  +1
                  Glory! hi Production video! The video was removed from the PSU ....... In any case, the Shell is not a rocket, but the drone would certainly have "landed" ...
                  1. Totah155
                    Totah155 11 May 2018 18: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Solomon Kane
                    Glory! Production video! Video shot from PSU ....... In any case, the Shell is not a rocket, but the drone would certainly have "landed" ...

                    Actually the video from the rocket ...
                    1. Solomon Kane
                      Solomon Kane 12 May 2018 11: 57
                      0
                      See the link https://topwar.ru/141369-pervoe-foto-podbitogo-ra
                      ketoy-pancirya-rasskazalo-o-prichine-porazheniya-
                      mashiny.html? utm_referrer = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yande
                      x.com
                      Amateurs ......
            3. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 11 May 2018 16: 49
              +2
              It is possible that the complex will be "drained" by our "partners" from the SAR, not several hundred thousand shekels as a "lowering" of the Russian military-industrial complex .....
          3. serg999
            serg999 11 May 2018 14: 05
            +6
            Quote: maxim947
            It is possible, but the fact of the destruction of the Shell on the face.

            Well, how on the face? If you watch the video, there we only see how some flying object equipped with a camera, at a very low (for a rocket) speed, approaches a car that looks like the Shell is turned off and crashes into it. Questions: 1) what was this flying object? 2) Was that car (similar to the Shell) destroyed? In general, it looks like some drone with a camera crashed into a kamaz ... Perhaps some kind of a children's airplane or a helicopter ... And the crew, like the SAM itself, may not even have noticed this “destruction” and continue to serve ???
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 11 May 2018 14: 08
              +4
              interesting version)) but if the general has already confirmed, then it means they still destroyed:
              The anti-aircraft missile-cannon system (ZRPK) "Shell-C1" of the Syrian army, destroyed by the Israeli military, was turned off or used up ammunition, said Lieutenant-General Aitech Bizhev, an expert in the field of air defense.
              1. serg999
                serg999 11 May 2018 14: 54
                +3
                Quote: maxim947
                interesting version)) but if the general has already confirmed, then it means they still destroyed:

                Well, judging by his words, or rather assumptions, he himself does not really own the information ...
              2. serg999
                serg999 11 May 2018 14: 56
                +3
                But can a rocket fly so slowly? I am sure that this video is not from a rocket, but rather from a drone.
            2. Muxalet
              Muxalet 11 May 2018 14: 25
              +3
              There is decent speed. 100-150m \ s + video correction for video tracking
              1. serg999
                serg999 11 May 2018 15: 14
                +3
                Quote: Muxalet
                There is decent speed. 100-150m \ s + video correction for video tracking

                Why did you get such numbers? There, from the beginning of the video, the distance to the air defense system is a maximum of 300 meters ... Not more. And this “rocket" flew to the goal of 10-11 seconds. Well, consider ... If you take your numbers, then the "rocket" during this time managed to fly a kilometer and a half ... Have you seen what the runway looks like from a height of 1,5 kilometers?
          4. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 11 May 2018 14: 39
            +16
            Quote: maxim947
            It is possible, but the fact of the destruction of the Shell on the face.

            So what? And in February, the F-16 was shot down. Does it make him a bad plane? And how many T-34 were shot down on the battlefields does this make it a bad tank? To make far-reaching conclusions from the destruction of any military equipment is simply ridiculous.
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 12 May 2018 07: 47
              0
              So what? And in February, the F-16 was shot down. Does it make him a bad plane? And how many T-34 were shot down on the battlefields does this make it a bad tank? To make far-reaching conclusions from the destruction of any military equipment is simply ridiculous.

              And not to draw any conclusions, not to work on mistakes, to accept according to the principle "in everything the will of the Almighty (Christ, Allah, Buddha - underline the necessary things) - the way to ensure that even initially excellent weapons will soon turn into a paper tiger, being obsolete already in the moment of exit from the conveyor.
              The example with the T-34 is just illustrative - if after the Battle of Kursk it would not have been radically processed at the request of the military (and the representatives of the military-industrial complex, if they are not being pulled and pushed needles under the nails, always and everywhere prefer to drive already mastered products, without any changes and upgrades), then by the end of the war the glory of this tank would compete with the T-70, to which they could not relate to a mass grave for its crew.
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 12 May 2018 09: 23
                +1
                And do you think the Germans have them, on June 22 the most massive, Ptsi-2 and Ptsi-3, not to mention the more Ptsi-1 had a different opinion?

                Who do you think is the Germans - this is MOBILE, with no options. Any Soviet Tane punches him like a cardboard in a collision.
                1. UAZ 452
                  UAZ 452 12 May 2018 09: 45
                  +2
                  Well, the Germans did not fight these tanks until the 45th year. And if the German command would have prevailed a glance from the category: “the equipment is good, it’s tankers who don’t know how to use it correctly,” our tanks would have been in Berlin much earlier than 1945.
                  1. Mih1974
                    Mih1974 12 May 2018 09: 56
                    0
                    So in general, the T-70 also covered 43 laughing . And forgive me, but really "it’s not a bad technique but they don’t know how to use it."
                    The very same fascists very rarely “beautifully” attacked our fortifications, often “rolled back” and called up artillery or aircraft. sad
                    Likewise, the T-70 should not at all storm the positions covered by artillery and tanks. It’s hard for me to say why it is needed, but for sure there is also a “niche” for it in military tasks.
                    1. UAZ 452
                      UAZ 452 12 May 2018 11: 02
                      0
                      So I do not dispute the fact that the technique must be able to be applied, and the dunce will always be able to stupidly ditch even the best fighting vehicle. But the opposite is also true: too narrowly sharpened weapons, not brought to mind, in order to reach their potential (a question is whether great or not really) will need so well trained professionals that they should be trained in a real war (lack of time, lack of material, human resources , the loss of trained specialists) will be simply unthinkable.
                      In general, these theses do not contradict each other at all (I repeat with the example of a Kalashnikov assault rifle) - the better the technique, the less unique it is for the personnel and vice versa.
          5. Leeds
            Leeds 11 May 2018 18: 49
            +1
            I saw a rocket in Patriot 9. Just in the pavilion of Syria. She is really big. And can she fight against such goals? The first commentator (he is always the first) stamped the version; he himself did not express a single clever idea in a counterargument.
          6. yehat
            yehat 12 May 2018 01: 11
            +2
            any exposed defense system can be destroyed
            the cant is not that the shell was knocked out, but that it could easily be tracked down and destroyed in an unfit condition. The Syrians, with all due respect to their desire to fight for their homeland, have little command of the art of war, and what can we say, they do not work hard, like our grandfathers did during the Second World War. But a real war is a very big job - in disguise, in organizing defense and ambushes, in counteracting drones (I think they gave a tip to the target), in regular relocation, in organizing constant duty.
            1. UAZ 452
              UAZ 452 12 May 2018 07: 58
              0
              Our grandfathers, too, of all the wisdom of the war, only by the end of the 42nd - 43rd year basically learned. Who survived. But the fact that the war in Syria is already lasting longer, you are right. However, with a technologically advanced opponent that the SAA, that the barmalei rarely encounter, which allows us to avoid heavy losses, and the same Jews to arrange unpunished shooting range at any time and wherever they want.
              The army (and indeed anyone) masters the techniques of the war that it is waging, “sharpening” it under its requirements. And the long-standing war with the rebels could not help to increase the combat effectiveness of the air defense forces. On the contrary, it provided them with staff shortages (people were needed there last, and adequate fighters would certainly be sent to combat units, and not to the calculations of idle air defense systems), underfunding (but rather a complete lack of funding), and so on. And not a month or a year to solve this problem.
      2. Hire
        Hire 11 May 2018 13: 18
        +9
        Quote: maxim947
        Bad advertising on the Shell ..

        Come on! They could hit the “Shell” standing in the boxes on the technical territory. And what, could it say something about the combat readiness of the complex? Rather, we can talk about underestimating the arrogance of the enemy.
        1. yehat
          yehat 12 May 2018 01: 12
          +1
          How can you underestimate the Israelis when they regularly attack Damascus from the air?
          what else can they do to force the Syrians to reckon with themselves?
      3. Nick
        Nick 11 May 2018 13: 56
        0
        Quote: maxim947
        this is apparently due to an insufficient angle of attack, unless of course the expert understands this issue.

        This is due to the absence of the Razdolbaisky crew of the complex, smoking on the sidelines and not leading the complex into a combat situation.
        Quote: maxim947
        And if there were attempts to bring down their planes, then why not shot down?

        Maybe they shot down, maybe there were no attempts, maybe the Israelis dreamed about everything. There are no facts.
      4. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 11 May 2018 20: 08
        0
        Quote: maxim947
        And if there were attempts to bring down their planes, then why not shot down?

        Because the Arabs' friends went out to smoke or something, and the complex was turned off so as not to burn themselves. )))))
      5. Doronkabilio
        Doronkabilio 12 May 2018 09: 02
        0


        The shell was already shot at the time of destruction. This is clearly seen in the video installation without rockets. And this coincides with the statement of our army spokesman that only 5 air defense batteries attacking them were exposed to the Air Force. Why didn’t Shell missiles hit? Apparently, there was a magnetic storm that day.
    2. Shahno
      Shahno 11 May 2018 13: 09
      +6
      Of course not adapted .... There, like 50 km from the border was. Not otherwise f 15 went for a break across the border with a spike to the edge ....
      1. Genry
        Genry 11 May 2018 13: 36
        +5
        Quote: Shahno
        There were about 50 km from the border. Not otherwise f 15 went to a breach across the border with a spike to the edge ....

        There is the territory of your "proxy". Pickup with Spike could drive freely.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 11 May 2018 13: 50
          +1
          Well, yes, he could very well .... As an option.
          1. Zina389
            Zina389 11 May 2018 18: 07
            +2
            Could the whole complex have been taken away, like the Iranian archive
            1. yehat
              yehat 12 May 2018 01: 14
              0
              in Egypt, the Americans nearly dragged our cube complex by helicopter.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 46
        0
        The Israeli Air Force has no such bombs for an hour.
    3. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 11 May 2018 13: 28
      +15
      All of these "expert" guesses are in favor of the poor. I will drop all obscene words addressed to the leadership supplying the latest military equipment to Arabs (((, history does not teach you anything (((and praise the actions of the Israeli military, clearly in a businesslike way, without magnificent speeches, they are fighting the enemy, and very professionally. And all the moans about the wrong missiles that attacked the complex cause only a grin, what does it cost when it cannot protect itself (((.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 11 May 2018 13: 30
      +4
      The modern air defense system in the hands of non-professionals is turning into a pile of metal. It is unfortunate that our professionals weren’t there; the Jews wouldn’t have thought enough.
      1. Nick
        Nick 11 May 2018 13: 58
        +3
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        The modern air defense system in the hands of non-professionals is turning into a pile of metal. It is unfortunate that our professionals weren’t there; the Jews wouldn’t have thought enough.

        And the Jews knew this very well, so they ended up there.
      2. yehat
        yehat 12 May 2018 01: 15
        0
        Do not overestimate the shell. It's still cheap means of near air defense.
        He has mediocre opportunities. Even the helicopter link for the Shell is most likely an unrealistic task. While complexes like Buk are quite capable of repelling such an attack.
      3. UAZ 452
        UAZ 452 12 May 2018 08: 27
        0
        The modern air defense system in the hands of non-professionals is turning into a pile of metal. It is unfortunate that our professionals weren’t there; the Jews wouldn’t have thought enough.

        Hardly anyone will disagree with the first part. True, even if the crew’s lack of professionalism is not in doubt, this does not mean that the complex itself is good. Kalashnikov assault rifle won worldwide recognition primarily because it is not demanding on the "user", performing its functions even in the hands of yesterday's shepherd. The air defense system, of course, cannot be compared with a machine gun, but if it requires the crew to be seven spans in the forehead to reveal its functionality. then where, one wonders, will you have enough geniuses to organize an entire air defense system?
        But your second statement from the category "if my grandmother had a sexual organ, of a different design, would she be called a grandmother?" What makes you think that our air defense is staffed by solid professionals? If during the exercises they shoot down targets launched at a comfortable height, at a speed convenient for them, then it’s far from the fact that they will be able to shoot down a real missile, which may turn out to be the “wrong system”, but a real camouflage, use of the protective characteristics of the area, organization interaction with other branches of the armed forces - this can only be learned in a real war if you manage to survive. The teachings here are effective, God forbid, to 10% (but these percentages are much better than nothing).
        And to understand the nature of the teachings, I will cite the following fact: about a year ago, at one of the polygons in the north-west of the country, a radio mine group suffered.
        http://ifvremya.ru/pri-vzryive-na-poligone-v-leni
        ngradskoy-oblasti-postradali-lyudi-video /
        From the reports, the task of the group was to mine and undermine targets, past which the tankers missed, so as not to upset respected people watching the exercises. There are doubts that the air target will be destroyed in the exercises in any case, even if they shoot at it from a slingshot?
    5. Muvka
      Muvka 11 May 2018 13: 34
      +3
      And I have a question. Can a spike rocket weighing several tens of KG destroy the shell? There VV cat cried. And if it is cumulative, then in general it makes little sense. Can anyone make out this? It could have damaged yes, but destroyed ... Especially if it was empty, i.e. he had nothing exploding.
      1. parma
        parma 11 May 2018 13: 47
        +3
        What about undermining the BC of the complex itself? In extreme cases, damage to the electronics (radar as an example) such that the Shell can now be thrown away ...
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 11 May 2018 14: 21
          0
          So the shell was empty, as everyone writes. Where does the BC come from? And if the projectile is cumulative, you won’t hurt a lot of electronics.
      2. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil 11 May 2018 15: 11
        +1
        Not a bad cat cried, as much as 6 kg .http: //rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/spike-
        nlos / spike-nlos.shtml
        1. UAZ 452
          UAZ 452 12 May 2018 08: 33
          0
          And the truth is: since when did 6 kg of explosives cease to be enough to destroy an unarmored truck?
    6. My doctor
      My doctor 11 May 2018 14: 29
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      NEXUS (Andrey)

      Is it possible to add a citizen to the black list, and not come across further on his comments? There used to be such an opportunity.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 11 May 2018 14: 32
        +1
        Quote: MyVrach
        Is it possible to add a citizen to the black list, and not come across further on his comments? There used to be such an opportunity.

        Do you want to send me to the black list? laughing
        1. yehat
          yehat 12 May 2018 01: 18
          +1
          rather a long way off)))
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 May 2018 10: 00
            +1
            Quote: yehat
            rather a long way off)))

            Only after you. hi
    7. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 11 May 2018 18: 28
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      The Syrian complex "Shell-S1" could not repel the strike of the Israeli Spike missile, because it is not suitable for the destruction of such missiles, Rambler leads the opinion of Russian expert Konstantin Makienko.

      Well ... The same expert as the RPG-7 pipette. I doubt that this expertD saw the record, not what he studied. fool


      That's for sure! Therefore, let's give the floor to a specialist who calmly and carefully gives a balance on this case. About the author of the article:
      Mikhail Mikhailovich KhodarenokGazeta.Ru military columnist, retired colonel.
      He graduated from the Minsk Higher Engineering Anti-aircraft Missile School (1976),
      Military Command Academy of Air Defense (1986).
      Commander of the anti-aircraft missile battalion C-75 (1980 – 1983).
      Deputy commander of the anti-aircraft missile regiment (1986 – 1988).
      Senior officer of the General Staff of the Air Defense Forces (1988 – 1992).
      Officer of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff (1992 – 2000).
      Graduate of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia (1998).
      Nezavisimaya Gazeta columnist (2000 – 2003), editor-in-chief of the Military Industrial Courier newspaper (2010 – 2015).


      Backstab: Why the Carapace was taken by surprise
      Why the shell "SAM" in Syria was destroyed by an Israeli missile

      It is necessary to make a reservation right away, while there is very, very little information in order to make any reliable estimates and conclusions based on the results of this strike.
      Judging by the video of the Israel Defense Forces, the “Shell” at the time of the strike was not in a position technically equipped and was not even masked, even in the most elementary way.
      This suggests that the combat vehicle of the air defense system was absolutely not ready for combat work. Moreover, the complex was minimized.
      And where the "Shell" was located on the ground at that moment - it is also absolutely unclear. Whether it was a street (or freeway) with a pedestrian crossing in the background, or the end of the runway. And if this is a runway, then again the air defense system was too close to its edge.
      Specialists immediately noticed - the complex is not included and is not ready to open fire. This is clearly visible even in the Israeli video. Missiles and guns of the complex are not even deployed in the direction of the possible direction of fire. It can be assumed that the "Shell" was marching and, immediately before the Israeli rocket strike, made a stop.
      The calculation of the air defense system (and this is just three people) at the time of the Israeli rocket strike was on the street. The Syrian serviceman who ran to the combat vehicle, quite possibly, received some kind of command (to continue the march, to turn on the complex and put into combat readiness, finally, he was called by the superior commander to the means of communication). Most likely, he, like the rest of the combat crew, did not see the Israeli missile. Otherwise, the fighter would most likely not have run to the combat vehicle.
      In the course of hostilities there are no honest and dishonest methods of striking. The times of knightly confrontation, when fights were in accordance with the code of honor, are long over. All is well, which leads to the defeat of the enemy. But, by and large, the Israeli strike is a stealth strike.
      And to say in this case that the Pantsir air defense missile system did not live up to the hopes placed on it is extremely premature and unjustified. It’s more correct to say - the Syrian crew (and mainly its commanders) missed the enemy’s blow.
      Could the C1 Shell shell and hit the Spike NLOS rocket? Recall that Spike can be installed on air, sea, or land carriers. In particular, a new generation of Perae self-propelled artillery is equipped with these missiles. However, it is not a fact that our "Shell" was struck by this particular type of self-propelled guns.
      The weight of the Spike NLOS in the packaging container is 71 kg, the length is more than 1,5 m. The rocket has an average flight speed of 130-180 m / s. There is no exact data on the effective scattering surface of Spike NLOS, but there is reason to believe that it is comparable to 0,03 sq. m
      That is, as a target, it is within the capabilities of the "Shell". The complex can hit it with both missiles and cannon fire.
      With its missiles, the “Shell” can bring down a target with an even smaller reflecting surface, of the order of 0,01 sq. m and moving at a speed of 1200 m / s. In this case, especially high calculation preparation is not even required. Mid-level specialists will cope with this task.
      As regards the possibility of hitting Spike NLOS with the shell armor using a video channel, this task is feasible. But in this case, a very high level of training is required. These should be first-class shooters.
      Thus, the rumors that the Israeli Spike NLOS is located outside the TTX "Shell", has no basis.
      There are questions about the organization of anti-aircraft missile defense by the Syrian military in the area as a whole. SAMs never fight on their own. They operate as part of a unit, unit, group.
      If the hit “Shell” made a march, then it should be covered from air strikes by other complexes and systems interacting with it, fighter aircraft, high-speed small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery, and electronic warfare equipment. Apparently, this was not done. That is, the elementary interaction between the Syrian forces and air defense systems was absent as such. Only such a conclusion can be drawn from the results of a blow to the lonely Carapace.
      In this case, no, even the most advanced anti-aircraft missile systems will not help. Neither the “Armor”, nor the “Triumphs”, nor the “Torah” should be perceived as some kind of swords-knives, capable of sweeping any enemy in different directions. The listed systems are just an element of a properly organized and built-up air defense system, and the personnel should be distinguished by high skills.
      Finally, there are simply no “unkillable” air defense systems and air defense systems. Each of them has both advantages and disadvantages. And the tragedy of the loss of one combat vehicle (as well as questioning its high combat qualities) is still not worth doing. The case of this Syrian "Shell" cannot serve as a basis for discrediting the complex as a whole.

      source:
      https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2018/05/11/11747443.sh
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      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 May 2018 21: 11
        0
        Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
        And where the "Shell" was located on the ground at that moment - it is also absolutely unclear.

        Why guess then? The crew left the car and went out to smoke, deer cannot be trusted with such a technique!
  2. Guru
    Guru 11 May 2018 13: 05
    0
    It is obvious that the Syrians simply relaxed, henceforth they will always keep the complex ready.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 11 May 2018 13: 06
    +14
    since it is not suitable for the destruction of such missiles, Rambler leads the opinion of Russian expert Konstantin Makienko.
    I did not read further. Konstantin Makakenko is the same expert in air defense as the Syrian clerks.
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 11 May 2018 13: 16
      +1
      Not sure that the Shell was entrusted to the Syrians
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 May 2018 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: Imobile
        Not sure that the Shell was entrusted to the Syrians

        Syrians have already 40 pieces fit. 1 minus is
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 11 May 2018 13: 21
          +3
          I do not want to argue, minus 4.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 11 May 2018 13: 31
            +5
            Where are the rest of 3? We are waiting for the video. Or offer to take your word for it? Not.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 May 2018 14: 53
              +1
              Quote: Muvka
              Where are the rest of 3? We are waiting for the video. Or offer to take your word for it? Not.

              Well, we propose to take the word to the Israeli Israeli gentlemen about dozens of missiles shot down by the Syrians
              1. Muvka
                Muvka 11 May 2018 14: 59
                +3
                And how long have they begun to install cameras on missile defense?
          2. Santa bear
            Santa bear 11 May 2018 13: 33
            +5
            Yes, where is -4 then? What your MO said is far from a fact.
          3. vovanpain
            vovanpain 11 May 2018 13: 46
            +13
            Quote: Shahno
            I do not want to argue, minus 4.

            So I don’t want to offend you, but your compatriots at VO constantly demand evidence and videos, and they are right of course, well, so you would be so kind as to provide evidence and videos to such bold statements, otherwise you look like fighting Ukrainians who destroyed 3 Pskov divisions, Altai mountain diving brigade, a million Buryats and 150 chebureshki. hi
          4. Chertkov Oleg
            Chertkov Oleg 11 May 2018 13: 51
            +3
            Maybe after all 44? Not?
          5. NEXUS
            NEXUS 11 May 2018 14: 15
            +4
            Quote: Shahno
            I do not want to argue, minus 4.

            And is it current until lunch? Before morning coffee?
          6. serg999
            serg999 11 May 2018 14: 21
            +3
            Quote: Shahno
            I do not want to argue, minus 4.

            What are you doing? Which are -4? Actually -547 !!!! Reliable information! Even Poroshenko confirmed! And 153 ka.ts.a.p.po.v were killed !!! Glory to Ukraine!
  4. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 11 May 2018 13: 07
    +2
    "One cannot also exclude the option in which the complex was not alerted. Perhaps there was no crew there at that moment. When the rocket suddenly approached, the complex could not repel the attack,"

    Everything is obvious on the video - the Shell was obviously not put on combat alert and was in a transport position. What guesses to build - would directly explain.
  5. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 11 May 2018 13: 07
    +8
    There is a war, we must be able to calculate such options! Well, now the “Cornets” are not exportable, and the “Chrysanthemums" must in flight encounter the "merkavs" of the "namirs" of the Israeli army - "by chance", of course!
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 11 May 2018 15: 44
      +2
      Why should it? Just the opposite - they should not. Everything was agreed on May 9 in Moscow.
  6. CentDo
    CentDo 11 May 2018 13: 08
    +5
    Hmm, did these experts see the video? It seems like it’s clearly visible that the Shell was not put into combat position. Calculation generally smoked on the sidelines.
  7. sustav75
    sustav75 11 May 2018 13: 12
    +4
    Maybe even a little less on the zombies will talk on all channels about an unavailable analog world! And the parade was not so interesting anymore, when from morning till night they talk to you about terminators, uraniums and other robotic drones! In addition, in a scanty performance.
    1. mkop
      mkop 11 May 2018 13: 18
      +9
      Have you ever seen the video? Commentator ... There is no one in the car, the crew is on the sidelines.
      1. Ivan Tarava
        Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 13: 29
        0
        Dasha did not hurt the fragments?
        1. mkop
          mkop 11 May 2018 13: 34
          +2
          I have no idea, the video ends when the camera dies. I don’t want to invent something and I won’t.
        2. My doctor
          My doctor 11 May 2018 14: 59
          +3
          Quote: Ivan Tarava
          Dasha did not hurt the fragments?

          Dasha was not hurt.
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 11 May 2018 13: 34
        +1
        They are not crowing for the truth here.
        Already everyone seemed to look, it seems obvious that there is nothing to argue about.
        And these all have the same barrel organ.
    2. Genry
      Genry 11 May 2018 13: 40
      +3
      The carapace was turned off, the antenna did not rotate.
      1. Ivan Tarava
        Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 13: 49
        +2
        Could not hide in the bushes or under the net? They probably think that for a walk, and not for war.
  8. Abram
    Abram 11 May 2018 13: 12
    +1
    if the ESR of Spike is less than the working one for the Shell, then it is
  9. iouris
    iouris 11 May 2018 13: 13
    +4
    The "carapace" should be able to work automatically without a crew, otherwise you can’t even leave for a smoke. By the way, smoking is harmful.
    1. Skay
      Skay 11 May 2018 13: 22
      +9
      By the way, smoking is harmful.

      This frame from the spike must be placed on packs of cigarettes.
    2. Genry
      Genry 11 May 2018 13: 39
      +5
      Quote: iouris
      "Shell" must be able to work automatically without crew

      It knows how to work, but it needs to be turned on (even light bulbs require turning on).
  10. sa-ag
    sa-ag 11 May 2018 13: 13
    +2
    “Yes, he has the wrong grenades” (c) “White desert sun”
  11. Bad thing
    Bad thing 11 May 2018 13: 13
    +2
    Where are such experts found? The wiki reads, or retells their drunken dreams.
  12. Kerensky
    Kerensky 11 May 2018 13: 14
    +3
    Title
    Expertы explainedи the reason for the inefficiency of the "Shell" in Syria

    Text
    opinion of Russian expert Konstantin Makienko.

    And who is the second?
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 May 2018 13: 18
      +8
      Quote: Kerensky
      And who is the second?

      Zamanukha Zadornova ... there is the first pig, the second and fourth. wink
  13. Imobile
    Imobile 11 May 2018 13: 14
    +6
    Quote: CentDo
    Hmm, did these experts see the video? It seems like it’s clearly visible that the Shell was not put into combat position. Calculation generally smoked on the sidelines.

    They do not know what are in the war? Guys anyone! Tell them they are at war!
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 11 May 2018 13: 17
      +6
      Yes, we used to warn, but now I'm tired ...
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 11 May 2018 13: 36
        +2
        We are still warning. But just about tired.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 11 May 2018 20: 26
          +1

          Quote: Mestny
          We are still warning. But just about tired.



          And what will you do?
          Would you throw your toe at the monitor screen?
    2. mkop
      mkop 11 May 2018 13: 18
      +5
      And then what? Is this a fighting vehicle problem? Did the shell become worse from this?
      1. Ivan Tarava
        Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 13: 28
        +4
        It’s just that the shells will decrease at such a pace, but they are probably not cheap.
        1. mkop
          mkop 11 May 2018 13: 33
          +6
          Not one designer can influence in any way on the training of the crew, and on the organization of troops. Not at all.
          Unless the crew was put in a car at the factory and the hatches were brewed tight so that they could not get out of there completely. Holes should be provided only for food and waste. :)
          1. Ivan Tarava
            Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 13: 40
            +1
            This is absolutely not a lesson for them. There have already been many such lessons. Do not demand much from them. They are not educated, at best they graduated from school. At the end of the war, Russia should take care of the education of the Syrians, as was the case in Afghanistan, otherwise they will cause many troubles. All of these igil and stuff is just because of the low level of education.
            1. Imobile
              Imobile 11 May 2018 13: 54
              +2
              Russia must take care of the education of the Syrians
              Let them think about their education. Let's think about the defense of Russia, our situation is no better, I would even say worse. What do conscripts do in our army? It’s clear that it’s necessary to paint the grass in front of the authorities, let them stay, but why allow weapons?
              1. Ivan Tarava
                Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 13: 56
                0
                What are we doing in Syria then? It's time to leave then. Russia (USSR) always fought, then built the entire infrastructure.
                1. Imobile
                  Imobile 11 May 2018 14: 04
                  +1
                  And then I wrote off debts ...
              2. sabakina
                sabakina 11 May 2018 14: 31
                +3
                Quote: Imobile
                Let them think about their education.
                By the way, at school I used simple pencils with a gilded inscription "Syria", and I think they also knew how to use it. Many Syrians in the USSR graduated.
  14. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 11 May 2018 13: 15
    +10
    Expert? What? Then I'm an expert. Judging by the schizoid delirium, this is not an expert, but Mr. .. Spike with a camera? Ptur flying at altitude? The shell does not work on such missiles? It can even work on skeet. In the video, the carapace was not active, in the stowed position. The people on the street crowded. One rushed to the car, two stood to the left, the fourth closed with a speck of "censorship" rushed to run away. Probably a gunner saboteur with GSM bearing. I rushed to run on the video from left to right, covered with a special effect in the form of a vague circle. He pointed the rocket at the signal of his cell phone to the cold shell. Hearing the sound rushed to the spot instantly, earlier than the one who rushed to the car. Why before? Because I was waiting for this.
    1. cedar
      cedar 11 May 2018 13: 31
      +2
      Everything goes to our piggy bank of combat experience ...
  15. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 13: 26
    +3
    Missiles of the wrong system. Now we need a complex to protect the Shell-C1.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 11 May 2018 14: 25
      +4
      Quote: Ivan Tarava
      Now we need a complex to protect the Shell-C1

      The best complex is to show the video of the defeat of the "Shell" to the entire l / s of Syrian air defense. Accompanied by a lecture on the dangers of smoking in the database and distribution during hostilities.
  16. Romanenko
    Romanenko 11 May 2018 13: 26
    +1
    It’s clear that the matter is dark ...
    So it turns out
  17. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 13: 32
    +1
    And if the Curtain stood on the Shell, would this not have happened?
    1. LMN
      LMN 11 May 2018 13: 43
      +13
      Quote: Ivan Tarava
      And if the Curtain stood on the Shell, would this not have happened?

      This would not have happened if there hadn’t been a Shell wink
      1. dali
        dali 11 May 2018 13: 52
        +1
        Ndass ... you have a mind ... ward ... belay laughing
        1. LMN
          LMN 11 May 2018 14: 06
          +4
          Quote: Dali
          Ndass ... you have a mind ... ward ... belay laughing

          It’s enough not to “puzzle” when solving a problem without having the conditions of the problem. smile
          1. dali
            dali 11 May 2018 14: 31
            +1
            Quote: LMN
            Quote: Dali
            Ndass ... you have a mind ... ward ... belay laughing

            It’s enough not to “puzzle” when solving a problem without having the conditions of the problem. smile

            And I repeat, it’s not difficult for me ...

            What kind of grass did you smoke that you don’t see a damn thing in the video ?! belay Or jammed ?! belay
            The complex was not in a combat situation, but I still hadn’t heard something about all-perspective curtains, which means that if I were, it would not be in a combat situation either ...
            In addition, the people have already noticed that there were two different movements of the Syrians, one to, the other from (and at a very interesting time) - so the version of the traitor-gunner also has a place to be ...
            1. LMN
              LMN 11 May 2018 15: 09
              +4
              Quote: Dali
              Quote: LMN
              Quote: Dali
              Ndass ... you have a mind ... ward ... belay laughing

              It’s enough not to “puzzle” when solving a problem without having the conditions of the problem. smile

              And I repeat, it’s not difficult for me ...

              What kind of grass did you smoke that you don’t see a damn thing in the video ?! belay Or jammed ?! belay
              The complex was not in a combat situation, but I still hadn’t heard something about all-perspective curtains, which means that if I were, it would not be in a combat situation either ...
              In addition, the people have already noticed that there were two different movements of the Syrians, one to, the other from (and at a very interesting time) - so the version of the traitor-gunner also has a place to be ...

              Actually, my comment in response to a question about Curtain related wink
              I myself see that the Shell was inactive lol
              But thanks for bothering hi
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 11 May 2018 13: 59
      +1
      Quote: Ivan Tarava
      And if the Curtain stood on the Shell, would this not have happened?

      In general, the air defense system itself must hunt for missiles, air targets, but since it falls into such hands, it must apparently be put something like that ... yes hi
    3. dali
      dali 11 May 2018 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Ivan Tarava
      And if the Curtain stood on the Shell, would this not have happened?


      What kind of grass did you smoke that you don’t see a damn thing in the video ?! belay Or jammed ?! belay

      The complex was not in a combat situation, but I still hadn’t heard something about all-perspective curtains, which means that if I were, it would not be in a combat situation either ...

      In addition, the people have already noticed that there were two different movements of the Syrians, one to, the other from (and at a very interesting time) - so the version of the traitor-gunner also has a place to be ...

      For this, these Syrian warriors need one place and a hammer, a hammer ... am
      1. Ivan Tarava
        Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 14: 23
        0
        No, I do not smoke. It is clear that you are furious, I also have a fart bombing me. It turns out that the shell can be used in tank units to protect tanks from ATGMs and other missiles? But what a good idea, since there are no KAZs.
        1. dali
          dali 11 May 2018 14: 35
          +1
          Can you imagine if you want and skill, only each complex has its own main task ... and somehow it will be too expensive ...
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 11 May 2018 14: 14
      +2
      In this case, a defeat. He would have gone on a trajectory and that’s all - it’s already possible to hang on with smoke even though you’ll dazzle the TV’s GOS Since the car was standing, it’s a defeat.
  18. senima56
    senima56 11 May 2018 13: 47
    +2
    And who called Mr. Makienko an “expert” ?! Our journalists know more about the capabilities of our technology than this "expert"! It would be better if I were silent, I would have gone for a smart one ...
  19. XXXIII
    XXXIII 11 May 2018 13: 53
    +5
    The Syrian complex “Pantsir-C1” could not repel the impact of the Israeli Spike missile, since it is not suitable for the destruction of such missiles, the opinion of Russian expert Konstantin Makienko is cited.
    C'mon, what about his guns?! .... No. .... He's a universal air defense system, it works on all available types of targets that are available for armament .... hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 47
      +3
      Just a universal machine, there was no universal crew.
  20. MIG00001
    MIG00001 11 May 2018 13: 55
    +3
    Yes, what can I talk about, the shell was not even turned on (the radar did not rotate)
    1. Ivan Tarava
      Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 14: 25
      0
      The crew mate drank tea. Didn’t the Jews know that drinking mate tea at the expense of the war did not go.
  21. Dikson
    Dikson 11 May 2018 14: 02
    +1
    Maybe it's just such a brilliant business? Well, we kind of sell the latest military equipment to the Arabs, we deliver it, then we take money from the Israelis for information about where it is, the Israelis blow everything up, we again sell the military equipment to the Arabs .. -and so on ad infinitum .. and most importantly, -all satisfied ..- our industry is working, buyers are happy, Israel is calm for its security, and everyone has their own piece of cake ..
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 11 May 2018 15: 50
      +1
      Are you sure that the equipment is paid upon delivery, and not on credit with its subsequent cancellation in 20 years? Me not.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 11 May 2018 16: 10
        +6
        Based on the experience of the years I have lived (I also remember the Daria Iranian detergent powder), all our forgiving rulers, as always, by tradition, will forgive billions of dollars in debt .. - because they have a primordially Russian soul .. Why should there be little things? We have the riches of the people - like shit after a bath! And the people are sympathetic .. All the way we feel sorry for someone who then spits in us snot purulent .. For our good stupidity .. This technique is not paid for in anything .. All this war game is a contract. This was immediately announced. And why aren't there tearful heartbreaking reports about the unfortunate murdered Syrians on our TV? Because this is not a war for the Syrian people, and not a war for the notorious Bashar .. -this is just a deadly battle of international, transnational business. Either Qatar will lay its gas pipeline to Europe (and then the Russian economy will become very sad), or we will squeeze the Syrian towers under our satellites .. (which is unlikely to happen: the demonstrative lesson taught by the Wagnerites to the Americans makes it quite clear that Syrian oil will belong to the States and a ruined and impoverished country will triumphantly be revived at our expense, that is, for nothing .. Well, something like Afghanistan happened .. -we died there, built hospitals and schools, then the Americans came and stupidly built a worldwide free drug business .. by the way, with a completely official NATO transit through our own country .. The world that one of us still remembers, the world of those who were born in the USSR, died a long time ago. And then the world we live in now is ruled by only profit ..
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  23. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 11 May 2018 14: 13
    +9
    This episode is a good reminder - in war as in war. There were always stray bullets, fragments, shells, rockets now appeared. But the Syrians are poorly trained warriors! They’ve been fighting for 7 years, but they still don’t remember that this war is not cinematic and they don’t have 7 lives, 8 levels of passage, and a prize bonus! Being in the frontline, and acting like a resort is the top of recklessness! Even at a halt, eating, setting, etc., combat protection is exhibited! If this is BM, then someone from the crew-calculation remains at the post, and provides cover! These are common truths from the time when they fought on stone axes! Who ignored them, those nameless traces have long been boldly blown by the wind of history!
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  25. Strips
    Strips 11 May 2018 14: 14
    +4
    Spike-NLOS can be launched from a helicopter, aircraft, BBM, ship, etc.
    Versatile and very accurate and powerful. good
    1. dali
      dali 11 May 2018 14: 39
      +1
      And what ... invulnerable, well ... in short, why are you doing this?
      1. Strips
        Strips 11 May 2018 14: 54
        +4
        Quote: Dali
        And what ... invulnerable, well ... in short, why are you doing this?


        It is very difficult to bring down, since it is one of the best in its class and it will continue to bear Syrian air defense if necessary.
        1. dali
          dali 11 May 2018 14: 58
          +1
          Due to what it is difficult to bring down, in comparison with others ... maybe this is not quite so ... explain why it is difficult?
        2. Dikson
          Dikson 11 May 2018 16: 31
          +4
          It is generally impossible to bring down if the calculation of the air defense system left the fighting vehicle, after turning it off .. and smokes at a safe distance .. you could stupidly drop a big stone on this Kamaz .. - you would save more money ..
  26. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 11 May 2018 14: 26
    +3
    - Hello, they call you from the FSB, we ...
    - I already guessed, ask!
    - How did you guess ?!
    - So you got me on the phone off!
    ...
    But this is the FSB - specialists, and in life, the turned off iron does not iron!
    So with the "Shell" - all this hype is described by one saying: "Give the fool a glass" bolt ", so he will break it!" (with)
  27. Muxalet
    Muxalet 11 May 2018 14: 29
    +1
    Is it very strange when a rocket flies to itself, puts on a webcam and streams live in the area of ​​coverage of electronic warfare equipment? ... the video signal passed clearly, the chances of the equipment were zero
  28. Hog
    Hog 11 May 2018 14: 36
    0
    Was the crew absent for prayer?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 49
      0
      A joke would have been if these cars were also dancing.
  29. korriphila
    korriphila 11 May 2018 14: 36
    0
    The video clearly shows that the crew smoked peacefully on the sidelines, and only at the last moment one darted to the installation, probably already saw the rocket with his eyes. In vain already, on the contrary it was necessary already ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 50
      0
      One had an eye - a diamond.
  30. Bok tubres
    Bok tubres 11 May 2018 14: 39
    +5
    What is there to hide ...screwed up. It’s sad if the officer died. Most likely, “ours”.
    Simple impossiblecomradesfight for Syria and flirt with Israel and the USA. However, as in the Donbass ...
    In the end, and in Syria,not everything is smooth and in the Donbass, as peace died people and militias, tak and die,for..."Minsk"!
  31. friend of animals
    friend of animals 11 May 2018 14: 55
    0
    There is no point in discussing the issue of efficiency, everything is clear to the amateur. The point is different, that strikes will continue, including through air defense.
  32. flicker
    flicker 11 May 2018 14: 58
    +1
    Or maybe it was an inflatable.
  33. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 11 May 2018 15: 00
    +7
    From those who are similar in the topic: - “Of course, stories about recharging - for the TV, this Shell was simply at 2 or 3 degrees of readiness (air defense systems have a gradation in readiness, which determines which devices are turned on, how many crews are on the ground, the lead time in 1st a degree on command from CP, in normal times, only on-duty forces.This technique is very tender and you need to save a resource - even turning on / off the electric circuit has its own resource, but they did not turn on in 1 degree, because there were observation and duty means they made noise ... Fortunately, there’s nothing -20-30 km to the border, the terrain is difficult to sneak up at low altitude, and then suddenly “jump”, comfortable If they were on the shell in 2 or 3 degrees, that’s about surveyors or not, whether they were suppressed or not, could only find out via the communication line. The Communist Party of Communications already notifies subordinates - in particular, to level 1 and be ready for combat work, and, I suppose, they ran to BMK, because . duty on BMK their poses heard a shaft or an alarm "On the Israeli resources slipped (so far without add. evidence) that three were killed, two were injured, and the "Shell" is Iranian.
  34. shadow
    shadow 11 May 2018 15: 05
    -1
    A rocket is a rocket. This is a physical object that the Pantsyr (and not the P-1 S-300), for those especially gifted in brackets, should be knocked down. What nonsense about the purpose of the rocket? With the same success, you can destroy an ordinary car that just stands. And what the Syrians snapped is the problem of the Syrians. What kind of S-3 are they? They won’t get anything. The complex was not even included. Yes, and more. Syria is divided into XNUMX spheres of influence: Russian, Turkish and Iranian. Here in the Iranian sphere and hollow.
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 11 May 2018 15: 20
      0
      If deep to analyze, it turns out that the rocket, which is on the shell, touched the rocket that flew, and they exploded, it turns out that this rocket was shot down. I’d have written to the end that at an altitude of only one and a half meters above the ground
  35. dojjdik
    dojjdik 11 May 2018 15: 35
    0
    the Jews themselves bought this dummy themselves installed and themselves destroyed it-wishful thinking everyone wants; Well, the Syrians and Iranians need to fight with Israel in order to displace the dictator Netanyahu and for this to continue to strike at all Israeli military facilities and finally shoot down planes and drown Jewish submarines - they will not be able to do business
  36. Govorun
    Govorun 11 May 2018 15: 38
    +2
    I don’t understand what to talk about, well, destroyed and, what next, does this show the weakness and worthlessness of the machine? And tell me what technique is invulnerable in principle ??? Probably the one that does NOT exist yet ... Well, the Israelis, well done destroyed, once again showed what gouging and slack during the war lead to, and like the Israeli Iron Dome, in which the percentage of successfully intercepted targets is estimated at 85%, but that's good, BUT it’s not 100%, which means it’s also vulnerable ... and I’ll repeat the matter not so much in technology as in those who control this technology or as our folklore says “It wasn’t in the car, it was .... I was sitting in ", or its absence so that I don’t see any reason to procrastinate on this topic ... and most importantly, draw a lesson from this. It's my personal opinion.
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 11 May 2018 20: 46
      0
      Quote: Govorun
      but like the Israeli Iron Dome, in which the percentage of successfully intercepted targets is estimated at 85%, yes that's good

      This is while the Zrailites and the Papuans are fighting, a serious adversary will quickly nullify their interest.
  37. Vladimir_R
    Vladimir_R 11 May 2018 15: 43
    0
    NEXUS,
    I believe that Jews with small UAVs monitored the area in the area of ​​a possible strike. Well, they waited for the Syrians to go out for a smoke break with the air defense system turned off and the rocket went to the target. Here is the minute of glory - the Russian unkillable shell was flunked.


    Are you kidding?
    I am a smoker, I know that on average a cigarette is smoked in 4-5 minutes. Double this time. To get to the smoking room, go back - another 5 minutes (this is if crawling, judging by the video). 15 minutes maximum. Well, 20 minutes, I hope you will not argue with this.
    That is, you seriously believe that at the time of the breakdown of the Shell operators, UAV operators recorded this fact, reported to a higher command, which in turn reported to the Air Force leadership, which ordered the pilot to change course and launch a rocket and the rocket managed to overcome a certain distance in 20 (this is the maximum) minutes? Do you really think so?
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 11 May 2018 15: 52
      +1
      No ... It was purposefully planned to strike on squares controlled by shells using spikes, false spikes and dalil. In a few waves. After the first, the UAV was more likely to control the movement of the complexes. Extra Dalil redirected to objects closer to Damascus. And finished off with spikes those who shot, they are cheaper. Joke....
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 May 2018 17: 03
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_R
      I am a smoker, I know that on average a cigarette is smoked in 4-5 minutes

      And drink ... talk? There and all half an hour will leave, they will not notice

      Quote: Vladimir_R
      That is, you seriously believe that at the time of a break of operators "Shell", UAV operators recorded this fact,

      We recorded that the calculation left the complex and left it not turned on.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 11 May 2018 17: 20
        0
        At Shahar 23 200 I am a squadron. Experimenting ....
      2. Vladimir_R
        Vladimir_R 11 May 2018 23: 54
        0
        And drink ... talk? There and all half an hour will leave, they will not notice

        I have a military specialty, but, honestly, I do not consider myself a “military” - I have never been in arms on the battlefield. But I saw all the "hardships" of military service and I know about gouging and neglect of the rules. I saw it personally, sometimes I participated in it myself. And I will never believe that the calculation of a combat complex can go out for a smoke, “pushing” it onto a combat mission. I don’t believe at all. Absolutely. But I admit that this could be.
        We recorded that the calculation left the complex and left it not turned on.

        I have the utmost respect for the Israeli armed forces. They are professionals. The history of the IDF is a continuous series of victories. I am not an expert of the Air Force, I can only express a subjective opinion, and my opinion is that if the Israeli Air Force is not the best, then at least in the top five. But even with this in mind, I will never believe that the Israelis will be able to, after finding smokers, make a decision in 20 (or, as you wrote - in 30) minutes, agree with the higher authorities, and order the pilot to change course, taking into account the time of the launch of the rocket.

        Although everything can be. But I do not believe.
  38. onix757
    onix757 11 May 2018 15: 53
    +2
    The point is not so much in the destroyed shell, but in the loss of confidence in the Russian Federation as a reliable ally. At that time, while the friendly country was being rolled out for several hours, in Moscow they were kind enough to be the Israeli representatives. And apparently the deflection was appreciated.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 11 May 2018 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: onix757
      friendly country rolled out for several hours

      I propose to ban Persophiles along with short-stemmed laughing
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 11 May 2018 16: 20
        +2
        So I can understand everything. Why they do not like us clearly .... That Iranian women are beautiful, yes. But why is there such support for Islamic Shiites, I don’t understand. There is clearly something in it.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 11 May 2018 17: 04
          +2
          Quote: Shahno
          So I can understand everything. Why they do not like us clearly .... That Iranian women are beautiful, yes. But why is there such support for Islamic Shiites, I don’t understand. There is clearly something in it.

          Yes, there is nothing ... we just don’t understand why, with such a huge Russian diaspora, you are taking the US side.
        2. MadCat
          MadCat 11 May 2018 17: 20
          +1
          Quote: Shahno
          But why is there such support for Islamic Shiites, I don’t understand. There is clearly something in it.

          Solovyov, when he was pouring on his program, he betrayed that Russia was a great Muslim country, I think not far from the truth, since he is the mouthpiece of the authorities, you yourself understand what is on the sidelines.
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  40. Grandfather Makar
    Grandfather Makar 11 May 2018 16: 15
    +4
    The shells will still show themselves ... Early Israel slams into boats and becomes bolder and bolder!
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 11 May 2018 16: 27
      +1
      And they already show themselves. The armor is a worthy, effective weapon.
  41. NordUral
    NordUral 11 May 2018 16: 24
    +1
    Maybe the "Carapace" is empty or already standing. And gouging everywhere gouging, which is also possible in this case, and ours, and the Syrians, and mattresses, and so on. by country. And it is not necessary to draw far-reaching conclusions without an accurate baseline. And the fact that the Jews were brought up is a medical fact. Or a traitor among the Syrians, or satellites (drones) staff.
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  43. Evil 55
    Evil 55 11 May 2018 16: 35
    +1
    Pray less often with all the calculation .. Israel constantly confines the blows to the time of prayer ..
  44. aikon1974
    aikon1974 11 May 2018 16: 46
    0
    Why, then, all these people who work with him?
  45. Old26
    Old26 11 May 2018 16: 47
    +1
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Shahno
    Yes of course. But why did he NOT WORK?

    There was nothing to work, everything worked

    And the whole stock of shells? The goal was not high speed. Speed ​​from 130 to 180 m / s. And the reach of the guns is 4 km in range and 3 in height ...

    Quote: Abram
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3195003.html

    We sometimes start broadcasting that the "shell" can almost intercept mortar mines, and Grad shells - without fail. And then almost a meter and a half missile and not detected

    Quote: Ivan Tarava
    Missiles of the wrong system. Now we need a complex to protect the Shell-C1.

    Yeah, and then the complex to protect the complex, designed to protect the "shell" laughing

    Quote: Dali
    In addition, the people have already noticed that there were two different movements of the Syrians, one to, the other from (and at a very interesting time) - so the version of the traitor-gunner also has a place to be ...

    Yes, versions here you can think of a carriage and a small cart. There is only one reality - the destruction of the combat vehicle of the complex. You can of course attach a traitor to this. And the fact that the Syrians, and indeed the Arabs BARDAK-know everything except themselves.
    Well, suppose even that this machine fired the entire missile ammunition. And all 1400 shells too? Did they push the trigger until the shells ran out? Unlikely. If you were waiting for a transport-loading machine, what is no need to monitor the sector, having combat-ready guns? What, the crew began a slack after the battle? So relaxed
  46. Chief Starshin
    Chief Starshin 11 May 2018 16: 48
    +1
    This is Pustozolon. The complex did not work at all. The locator is stationary. It's like beating a sleeping man with a shovel.
  47. Chief Starshin
    Chief Starshin 11 May 2018 16: 49
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    The Syrian complex "Shell-S1" could not repel the strike of the Israeli Spike missile, because it is not suitable for the destruction of such missiles, Rambler leads the opinion of Russian expert Konstantin Makienko.

    Well ... The same expert as the RPG-7 pipette. I doubt that this expertD saw the record, not what he studied. fool
    This is Pustozolon. The complex did not work at all. The locator is stationary. It's like beating a sleeping man with a shovel.
  48. Ncplc
    Ncplc 11 May 2018 16: 52
    0
    NEXUS, but we can assume that they fired back and removed from the position for reloading, and counting that off. with a radar, aside they can stop and smoke, here they caught a rocket. Is it possible?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 11 May 2018 17: 01
      +1
      Yeah. after all, they did just that, most likely .. -in garlic, as in the exercises, they landed all ammunition on targets, and, joyful, went out to smoke .. - they forgot to change their position .. The Israelis, of course, calculated the work complex, and slapped otvetku .. That's the whole story ..
    2. Oleg_2
      Oleg_2 11 May 2018 23: 24
      +1
      Maybe. Only the "Shell" alone rarely works. If they fired back and waited for vehicles to reload, then the other "Shells" were in active search mode. Why didn’t others shoot down? This is not clear ... PS In special forces, if a soldier is in great need, 2 more soldiers are going with him for cover. (There were cases when they found a scout with a throat cut) So here, one "Shell" reloads the others stand in combat mode.
  49. Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 11 May 2018 17: 07
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    . Here is the minute of glory - the Russian unkillable shell failed.

    It seems to me that the Jews also decided to humiliate Russia, immediately publishing a video. Moreover, there is nothing more than more than a hundred attacked objects, only the Shell was put into the network. Suggests bad thoughts ......
  50. LVMI1980
    LVMI1980 11 May 2018 17: 14
    +3
    if the video was shot on a thermal imager, then it appears from the video that the engine was turned off - there is no thermal contrast