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No money, but you hold on? Ministry of Finance proposed to reduce the cost of pensions

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The Ministry of Finance proposes to reduce the cost of pensions for citizens on 51,5 billion rubles this year, follows from the draft amendments to the budget, published on the federal portal of draft regulatory legal acts.


No money, but you hold on? Ministry of Finance proposed to reduce the cost of pensions


According to the document, the costs of the section "Social Policy" as a whole will decrease by 52,93 billion rubles. Including it is proposed to reduce the pension provision for 51,5 billion rubles, reports RIA "News».

The Ministry of Finance also proposes to cut social security expenditures in 2018 for the year by 5,9 billion rubles. Thus, it is proposed to allocate 2018 billion rubles less to the state support measures for people with disabilities in 2,23 than in the past.

The topic of pension policy regulation began to sound before the government resigned. In particular, at a meeting of the State Duma, where the deputies approved the Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Medvedev, he said that he was preparing proposals for the retirement age.

Medvedev noted that the decision must be taken carefully, while emphasizing that the previous framework was established a long time ago, and life has changed. According to the Prime Minister, the existing pension framework was established in the 1930s, when life expectancy was 40 years.

The strategy presented by the Center for Strategic Development, headed by the ex-head of the Ministry of Finance Alexey Kudrin, provides for a gradual increase in the retirement age to 63 in women and 65 in men to 2034.
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  1. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 11 May 2018 12: 36
    +60
    Improving wealth has begun ....
    1. MPN
      MPN 11 May 2018 12: 43
      +18
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Improving wealth has begun ....
      Is there a reason to cry? Or is it all gone? or read ...
      The topic of pension policy regulation began to sound before the resignation of the government.
      Or we are waiting for specific actions and not liberal tantrums in the press ...
      1. Logall
        Logall 11 May 2018 12: 51
        +57
        I'll spite them until retirement! And I’ll live long in retirement ...
        Pension reform failed, and the people were to blame. But those who now deal with these issues failed ...
        They left Medvedev, returned Kudrin ... We are waiting for Gorbachev!
        A shame!
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 11 May 2018 12: 59
          +19
          Quote: Logall
          I'll spite them until retirement! And I’ll live long in retirement ...

          Sancho Hello Be a Brother! drinks I spitefully survived until retirement, but how long what living on such a pension is a big question. hi
          1. Logall
            Logall 11 May 2018 13: 03
            +19
            Volodya, hi and I told you that this is all a common sight! That nowhere Medvedev does not go anywhere ... That the iPhone is smarter than its owner, but it is already buggy ...
        2. Masya masya
          Masya masya 11 May 2018 13: 18
          +7
          Quote: Logall
          I'll spite them until retirement!

          You inspired me !!! we will not die alive!
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 11 May 2018 13: 22
          +9
          Quote: Logall
          Left Medvedev, returned Kudrin ...

          Elections, Elections
        4. Nick
          Nick 11 May 2018 13: 27
          +8
          Quote: Logall
          I'll spite them until retirement! And I’ll live long in retirement ...
          A shame!

          You may be lucky to live a long time, but the statistics are as follows, men die in 65-66 years. That is, they will be able to live up to the retirement age, but they no longer live on pension.
          1. Logall
            Logall 11 May 2018 13: 46
            +19
            Quote: Nick
            the statistics is that men die at 65-66 years old

            You have been deceived! In the 14th year, the average age of male life expectancy was 59.1g. So that in four years it has risen so high, the majority must live to 75, because youth dies a lot to forty! There is a whole formula ... They drive numbers ...
            1. RESEARCHER
              RESEARCHER 11 May 2018 15: 19
              +1
              On the question of average life expectancy in the USSR before the Second World War
              All-Union Census of 1939
              Age structure of the population of the USSR
              Total population - 170 557 093 people.
              men over 60 years old - 4 325 168 people.
              women over 55 years old - 10 009 890 people.
              persons of retirement age - 14 335 058 people. or 8,4048% of the total population.
              The question is different. HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM THIS QUANTITY RECEIVED A PENSION ???
              1. Berkut24
                Berkut24 11 May 2018 19: 09
                0
                My grandmother received nothing. She had 4 children, which is why she did not finish the experience for six months.
        5. Berkut24
          Berkut24 11 May 2018 13: 34
          +6
          I'll spite them until retirement! And I’ll live long in retirement ...

          In the USSR, it was only necessary to overfulfill the plan, as it was immediately made the norm for all other workers. So, your record will not go unnoticed by the Government. And all subsequent "accidental survivors" will curse you as they cursed Stakhanov who had drunk at one time.
          1. Logall
            Logall 11 May 2018 14: 09
            +14
            Quote: Berkut24
            And all subsequent "accidental survivors" will curse you

            Come on, now what shall I die now, for the common good?
            And I will live for a long time! - genes, you know ...
            Thanks grandfather, for everything! Sincerely thanks!
        6. aleks26
          aleks26 11 May 2018 13: 53
          +4
          Quote: Logall
          They left Medvedev, returned Kudrin ... We are waiting for Gorbachev!

          Yeah, and we must resurrect EBN!
        7. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 12 May 2018 07: 08
          +1
          Something becomes ill from these "guardians for the people"! Did Amerika squeeze Putin? Or our loot EVERYTHING !? On which genitals returned Kudrin (the favorite of the State Department) Yes, and the luntik is still the prime minister! Deceived once again? Are we really caught in love for the motherland, for Russia? I want to believe that this is all a lie!
        8. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 12 May 2018 07: 11
          +1
          Quote: Logall
          I'll spite them until retirement! And I’ll live long in retirement ...

          How are you going to live? Indeed, judging by the logic of Medvedev, you will have to live to 80, at least at first, to retire.
          According to the Prime Minister, the existing pension framework was established in the 1930s, when life expectancy was 40 years.

          Life expectancy of 40 years — retirement at 60. Life expectancy of 78 years, as they now predict, means retirement - belay recourse sad ??
          1. viktor.
            viktor. 12 May 2018 11: 12
            0
            hiHere we wait wassat Yeah, how easy is life expectancy? laughing laughing One of the MAY decrees is fulfilled, everything turns out to be simple! wassat
        9. Separ
          Separ 12 May 2018 17: 40
          0
          and after Gorbachev-like Maidan ...
        10. StVahmistr
          StVahmistr 12 May 2018 22: 56
          +2
          They left Medvedev, returned Kudrin ... We are waiting for Gorbachev!
          A shame!

          What shame are you talking about? The dumb people once again stepped on a rake, believing Putin's promises, again once again. And he just took everyone and shod. People are taught, taught, but he doesn’t want to learn at all .... What they wanted, they got it ... There is nothing to yell now. "To promise to marry does not mean to marry." Kudrin was identified in the Accounts Chamber, but it would be necessary in Chamber No. 6. Now he will count as he is told. He cannot influence anything else. I, too, was pierced with hopes, Putin thought Prime Minister Grudinin would put out thanks to the people for choosing him. And I think so, if Putin had only 25%, it would still be 76% .....
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 11 May 2018 15: 19
        +11
        Quote: MPN
        Or we are waiting for specific actions and not liberal tantrums in the press ...

        What are you going to wait? belay From whom specifically? From Kudrin already waited during his tenure as Minister of Finance. What is the key person you are expecting milk from? You will announce your place of residence (at least the district), place of work and the size of your salary and preach here the moral of the 1th warmly arranged Russian clan. We will not have anything good either under Putin or under Rasputin, as long as the government forces us to restore feudalism in a single country. It won’t be, no matter how you draw it here ...
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 11 May 2018 17: 23
          0
          And from whom do you offer milk to wait? From Merkel? Trump? Netanyahu?
          Or "Everything is lost"?
          And not ashamed to moan?
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 11 May 2018 16: 44
        +4
        Quote: MPN
        Or we are waiting for specific actions and not liberal tantrums in the press ...

        not long to wait, be patient a bit.
    2. BZTM
      BZTM 11 May 2018 12: 47
      +25
      And someone else expected from the "popularly elected government" ...? Naive Chukchi boys ... winked
      1. freddyk
        freddyk 11 May 2018 13: 00
        +28
        Quote: BZTM
        And someone else expected from the "popularly elected government" ...? Naive Chukchi boys ... winked

        They did not wait, of course, but hope dies last. Putin had a chance to mobilize people. Rally for the construction of the country. Alas. No one needs it. Well, that means we, each for himself. Do not blame me, Mr. President.
        1. BZTM
          BZTM 11 May 2018 13: 12
          +31
          I, Sash, have been living this way for a quarter of a century, and my relatives, and neighbors, and men at work, look, they live the same way ... Despite, not thanks to ......
        2. Nasrat
          Nasrat 11 May 2018 13: 13
          +12
          Something on a patriotic site - despondency and despair .. laughing
          1. BZTM
            BZTM 11 May 2018 13: 16
            +24
            Wait a minute, the dummies will be pulled up and let there be light !!! They will open our eyes to life ... laughing laughing laughing
            1. Logall
              Logall 11 May 2018 13: 27
              +12
              No, brother, there will be no one!
              It was not tasty, but enough for everyone! They chew on everything ... And the taste of this topic is nasty-unpleasant, even nauseating.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 11 May 2018 16: 49
                +13
                Quote: Logall
                No, brother, there will be no one!

                yes, since May 7, not a single "patriot" is visible on the site. Their chosen one spat in their soul, their hopes collapsed. They sit and think- "How so? After all, we tried."
                1. Alf
                  Alf 11 May 2018 22: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  They sit and think- "How so? After all, we tried."

                  This is not what they think, but "how could it be presented as a victory"?
          2. Masya masya
            Masya masya 11 May 2018 13: 21
            +7
            Quote: Nasr
            What's on a patriotic site is despondency and despair.

            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 11 May 2018 13: 25
              +16
              And for me, so the motto of life should focus on morality. In the meantime, the people underwent an immoral bombardment, which means wait for trouble ...

          3. Vadivak
            Vadivak 11 May 2018 13: 25
            +5
            Quote: Nasr
            Something on a patriotic site - despondency and despair

            Reveal Opposition
          4. vovanpain
            vovanpain 11 May 2018 13: 29
            +9
            Quote: Nasr
            Something on a patriotic site - despondency and despair .. laughing

            Yes Colleague, what the fuck is despondency and despair, the most terrible sin of all sins. repeat You can’t help yourself, no one will help either Putin, Trump, Zyuganov and Grudinin. hi laughing
            Quote: BZTM
            They will open our eyes to all of us ...

            Yeah Lesha all blind or in kindergarten yet. laughing drinks
            1. BZTM
              BZTM 11 May 2018 13: 38
              +4
              They think so, Volodya ... laughing laughing laughing drinks We’ll break through, as always ... hi
              1. vovanpain
                vovanpain 11 May 2018 14: 41
                +6
                Quote: BZTM
                We’ll break through, as always

                Here I am talking about Lyosha too good No matter how much our perdition both external and internal comrades wish, they will not wait, they will survive in spite. drinks
        3. Bad_santa
          Bad_santa 11 May 2018 13: 29
          +16
          Well, before the election, Putin and his team often said that they would reduce military spending in the name of social. Military spending has been cut, and social spending too. And where is the money, Zin ???
          1. PFT
            PFT 11 May 2018 13: 44
            +13
            Quote: Bad_Santa
            Well, before the election, Putin and his team often said that they would reduce military spending in the name of social. Military spending has been cut, and social spending too. And where is the money, Zin ???

            Well, they themselves were convinced that Jews can not be trusted in everything that is in foreign, that in domestic politics.
          2. Galleon
            Galleon 11 May 2018 13: 48
            +6
            Against this background, the costs of supporting law enforcement agencies that ensure national security will grow by 20,3 billion rubles, and the costs of the penal system - by 4,6 billion rubles.

            This is a continuation of news from other sources that have not been published here. for example, see https://tsargrad.tv/news/tjurmy-i-naruchniki-vmes
            to-hleba-minfin-narisoval-svetloe-budushhee-rossi
            i_131362
            1. Bad_santa
              Bad_santa 11 May 2018 13: 56
              +8
              It seems that in vain we write on the Internet about our dissatisfaction with the authorities ... They finally heard the voice of the people there and take measures:
              Against this background, the costs of supporting law enforcement agencies that ensure national security will grow by 20,3 billion rubles, and the costs of the penal system - by 4,6 billion rubles.

              This is a continuation of news from other sources that have not been published here. for example, see https://tsargrad.tv/news/tjurmy-i-naruchniki-vmes
              to-hleba-minfin-narisoval-svetloe-budushhee-rossi
              i_131362
          3. Valid benchmark
            Valid benchmark 11 May 2018 13: 58
            +3
            Well, for example: “The Ministry of Finance of Russia will more than five times increase its purchases of foreign currency in the domestic market in 2018, by sending it additional oil and gas budget revenues of 2,74 trillion rubles compared to 527,6 billion rubles planned in the current budget law.
            "The purchased currency will be credited to the special accounts of the Central Bank and sent to replenish the NWF.”
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 11 May 2018 14: 07
      +11
      That's it ... they have no choice, either Friends or retirees ....., will choose Friends.
      What nobody wants to stop the most interesting withdrawal of funds and their embezzlement, and yes, to cut off pension payments. In short, the music did not play for long.
    4. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 11 May 2018 14: 28
      +8
      The ghouls again got into the government, and where the cut money would go, the military budget was cut, pensions were cut, oil was getting more expensive, gas was getting more expensive. Are they literally eating money?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 May 2018 15: 30
        +12
        Funny, the ghouls from there never got out!
      2. Alf
        Alf 11 May 2018 22: 06
        0
        Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
        Ghouls got into the government again,

        And WHO launched them there ...
      3. Sergey ippon
        Sergey ippon 11 May 2018 22: 40
        +1
        they don’t get out of there for about 25 years.
    5. sub307
      sub307 11 May 2018 16: 32
      +2
      I see, on this site they introduce all kinds of crap, and without a signature, that is, authorship. They simply "tear out" part of the news from the context and serve it under their own "sauce", obviously trying to rekindle and read a negative attitude to what is allegedly happening. And the essence of my opus is that: “The expenses of the Pension Fund of Russia (PFR) will increase by almost 99 billion rubles in 2018, while the transfer from the federal budget will decrease by 68,3 billion, the fund reported on Friday, May 11.


      Pension background
      The abolition of the point system, business benefits and salary growth will help increase payments without raising the retirement age.
      In the morning, on the draft regulatory documents portal, amendments to the federal budget - 2018 were published, in which the Ministry of Finance proposed to reduce budget expenditures on pension provision for Russians this year by 51,5 billion rubles.

      “In accordance with the amendments to the budget of the Pension Fund of Russia made to the government, the expenditures of the PFR on the payment of pensions in 2018 will increase by almost 99 billion rubles,” the PFR reports to TASS. In addition, the fund explained that total pension spending will increase by 371 billion: they will amount to 7,35 trillion. The reduction of transfers from the federal budget to the FIU by 68,3 billion rubles reduces the dependence of the fund on the federal budget, the FIU explained.

      Earlier on Friday, it became known that more than half (53%) of Russians consider the retirement age set in the country to be optimal.

      On May 8, Dmitry Medvedev, approved by the State Duma as prime minister of Russia, said that the government would soon prepare and submit proposals for the development of a pension system. "Https://iz.ru/742152/2018-05-11/ pfr-uvelichit-ras
      khody-na-vyplatu-pensii-na-99-mlrd-rublei
      So there is no need to organize a panic without "moving" into the topic. And what will happen in reality - “we will see”, and then “cough”.
      1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
        Lavrenti Pavlovich 11 May 2018 18: 19
        +5
        Quote: sub307
        . And the essence of my opus is that: “The expenses of the Pension Fund of Russia (PFR) will increase by almost 99 billion rubles in 2018, while the transfer from the federal budget will decrease by 68,3 billion, the fund reported on Friday, May 11.

        And you did not look at how prices are rising, how much is "free" medicine? My friend's kidney was removed - the third group of disability, another friend had heart surgery - two valves are artificial, the third plastic is the third group, it is almost healthy. But the fact that medicines, which for some reason are not on the list of free ones, cost more than they pay a pension, is that normal? The reform in medicine is a failure, my nephew went to the clinic at the hospital of our "TV star" Myasnikov (GKD named after Zhadkevich) wanted to do a gastroscopy (he has had a stomach problem for a long time and he needs to be checked periodically), to which the therapist replied - you need to eat right, direction did not write out for examination (saving). They did it in paid money, but without bad advice and quickly.
        Pensions need to be raised, people have worked all their lives, and the state is obliged to ensure a decent old age.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 11 May 2018 23: 03
          +10
          Just capitalism. Just a wild stratification of society by income \ EARNINGS. on social security. I don’t want to talk about pensions for just the working and other people against the retirement contentment of “servants of the people” and high-ranking officials. Well, if the latter worked for the benefit of the people and society as a whole, HOW MUCH !!! so there’s no way to vouch for it.
          What awaits us in retirement ??? for the majority, poverty will come .... and this is for many years of honest work. No, it’s definitely not like in the country of councils.
  2. ioan-e
    ioan-e 11 May 2018 12: 36
    +15
    hands off the disabled and senior citizens!
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 11 May 2018 13: 10
      0
      Quote: ioan-e
      Soo and hands off the disabled and senior citizens!

      Take money from children and youth! wassat
      1. ioan-e
        ioan-e 11 May 2018 13: 54
        +5
        Quote: Nasr
        Quote: ioan-e
        Soo and hands off the disabled and senior citizens!

        Take money from children and youth! wassat

        Not funny! To cut subsidies to the most vulnerable groups of the population? In my opinion, for such a thing you need to plant!
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 11 May 2018 13: 59
          +4
          Quote: ioan-e

          In my opinion, for such a thing you need to plant!


          caught on late ... already 27 years late ...
          1. ioan-e
            ioan-e 11 May 2018 14: 17
            +1
            Quote: Nasr
            Quote: ioan-e

            In my opinion, for such a thing you need to plant!


            caught on late ... already 27 years late ...

            I was 11 years old then, and I certainly do not have any guilt in the destruction of the USSR!
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 11 May 2018 14: 52
              +2
              Not an age affair ... all social gains just then
          2. Sergey ippon
            Sergey ippon 11 May 2018 22: 43
            +3
            late?\
            when did everyone vote remain in the USSR
            95% voted in favor!
            but it doesn’t matter who voted, they already decided over the hill.
  3. Abram
    Abram 11 May 2018 12: 39
    +20
    "Medvedev noted that the decision must be taken carefully." reminded a scene from the Diamond Hand - "I will beat accurately, but hard." smile
  4. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 11 May 2018 12: 39
    +21
    And the money saved in this way is invested in American candy wrappers.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 May 2018 13: 27
      +16
      And support financially “socially responsible businessmen” on whom the “Western partners” imposed sanctions!
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 11 May 2018 16: 23
      +2
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And the money saved in this way is invested in American candy wrappers.

      no, Putin promised to send a brigade to Mars.
      1. Sergey ippon
        Sergey ippon 11 May 2018 22: 45
        +1
        even this option would be more acceptable than the next foreign real estate of the pro-Kremlin oligarchs.
  5. Soho
    Soho 11 May 2018 12: 40
    +9
    I fully realize how much remains to be done - to make the state truly fair and caring towards citizens, to ensure the highest standards of living, so that as many people as possible can classify themselves as middle class, get a good education and quality health care services.

    from the speech of D.A. Medvedev when taking the oath of office of the President of the Russian Federation in 2008 How long ago it was, how quickly everything was forgotten ....
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 11 May 2018 12: 46
      +10
      Quote: Soho
      from the speech of D.A. Medvedev when taking the oath of office of the President of the Russian Federation in 2008 How long has it been, how quickly has everything been forgotten

      Well, he said:
      the old framework was set long ago, and life has changed
      .
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 11 May 2018 13: 12
        +9
        Life is changing:
        chocolate-Armenians
        prime minister in ecstasy
        and Russia in .... Oops! Hey Hey! I'm leaving with you!
  6. pvv113
    pvv113 11 May 2018 12: 41
    +32
    Previously, prices were reduced, but now - pensions
    1. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 11 May 2018 12: 52
      +23
      Previously, prices were reduced, but now - pensions

      We used to sit in Vorkuta or on the White Sea Canal, now in London or on Courchevel .....
      1. Nick
        Nick 11 May 2018 13: 38
        +6
        Quote: Solomon Kane
        We used to sit in Vorkuta or on the White Sea Canal

        1% of the population.
        Quote: Solomon Kane
        now in London or on Courchevel .....
        0,001% of the population
      2. pvv113
        pvv113 11 May 2018 14: 04
        +5
        Greetings, Konstantin! It inspired me with nostalgia. But you are absolutely right - they are not sitting there
      3. Separ
        Separ 12 May 2018 17: 50
        0
        Those who sat in Kolyma lived to be 90 years old, but those in London - up to 50 with a tail ..
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 11 May 2018 12: 52
      +2
      Now too. Two years ago I bought minced pork from 250 to 280 per kg, depending on the season, and now they do it right for you for 200 rubles.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 11 May 2018 17: 32
        +3
        Quote: Muvka
        Two years ago I bought minced pork from 250 to 280 per kg, depending on the season, and now they do it right for you for 200 rubles.

        That one was probably 250 meat
    3. your1970
      your1970 11 May 2018 13: 43
      +2
      Quote: pvv113
      Previously, prices were reduced, but now - pensions
      -
      just before that, the monetary reform of 1947 (1/10) took place ...
      "After the cancellation of cards at the end of 1947, with the salaries of the majority of the urban population 500-1000 rubles, a kilogram of rye bread cost 3 rubles, wheat 4 rubles 40 kopecks, buckwheat 12 rubles, sugar 15 rubles, butter 64 rubles, sunflower butter - 30 rubles, pike perch - 12 rubles, coffee - 75 rubles; a liter of milk - 3-4 rubles; a dozen eggs - 12-16 rubles (depending on the category, which was three); a bottle of Zhigulevskoe beer - 7 rubles ; a half-liter bottle of "Moscow" vodka - 60 rubles "
      And then it turned out - that in the countryside there is stupidly no money, that life does not become more fun, although it should ..... It seems Hitler won, and eating normally - there is not enough money ....
      I had to cut prices ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 11 May 2018 14: 17
        +6
        It seems Hitler won, but eating normally is not enough money ...
        What a fellow you are, rightly so burn them with a verb of the heart of people. And then it is true why Hitler was defeated?
        Just can not shake the past? When in modern times, homeless and unemployed. Is it okay to eat? Cow butter from palm trees, well, no, eat yourself.
        1. your1970
          your1970 11 May 2018 16: 11
          +3
          Quote: pvv113
          pvv113 (VLADIMIR)
          praised the price reduction under Stalin - I answered him -because of which had to cut prices.
          And the fact that the country was by no means happy with the cancellation of cards is also a fact. Cards guaranteed the availability of a product for citizens, and after their cancellation it turned out that a lot had simply gone on sale (including hucksters and speculators bought for the black market).

          but this is especially for you Gardamir characteristic - stick labels.
          Pull quote from context
          Quote: Gardamir
          And then it is true why Hitler was defeated?
          - in order to denounce the damned liberals and others like them, this is your repertoire ...
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 11 May 2018 16: 39
            +3
            -because of which
            And now not because of what? By the way, do you remember the joke about oil and gasoline? Oil is getting more expensive and gasoline is getting more expensive, oil is getting cheaper and more expensive.
            I don’t glue, only how to understand your expression. "It seems that they defeated Hitler, and there’s not enough money to eat normally .." But I don’t give a damn about liberals like Navalny and Sobchak, they don’t do the weather, but the one who said “Russia is doomed to liberalism "
            1. your1970
              your1970 11 May 2018 18: 53
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              just how to understand your expression ". It seems Hitler won, and eating normally - there is not enough money .."
              -so directly and understand, literally.
              They won the victory, they defeated the most terrible evil, to live and enjoy life .... but there is BUT - an excess of cash in the country caused by the war (about 4 times). The state was forced to reform 1947 (1/10) - during which an array of cash It was seized from both frank crooks and honest citizens. And it turned out - that the prices are high enough for the bulk of the citizens .....
              That is why the state had to reduce food prices - a murmur began, saying that it would be better if they left the cards ..
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 11 May 2018 19: 25
                0
                BUT- an excess of cash in the country caused by the war
                it sounds differently, you just had to write in more detail right away so that there is no ambiguity. hi
  7. tap
    tap 11 May 2018 12: 42
    +7
    Why is it not surprising. You can only expect handouts from the government for the people just before the election.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 11 May 2018 14: 05
      +14
      really, why be surprised and smear the snot on the cheeks ...
      I personally want to express "sincere gratitude" to ALL the "patriots" who voted for EP and Putin ... the deepest bow to you ... you are our naive ...
      again in a Jewish classroom, a power lesson teaches us ...
      haven’t you been tired in 18 years to follow the rake-strewn road, gentlemen-comrades? ...
      Well, since we are ALL waist-deep in .. outfitted - so maybe even now we will join hands friends? ...
      maybe finally comes along with resentment and deprivation, even a small fraction of enlightenment in our brains ...
      1. Giants
        Giants 11 May 2018 20: 36
        0
        Quote: kepmor
        again in a Jewish classroom, a power lesson teaches us ...

        Well, at that, you bent a kid. The authorities simply raped us in a perverted form, as it was many times before and will continue.
  8. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 11 May 2018 12: 43
    +12
    Well, stop hysteria. It has long been clear that.
    We do not rely on uncle, but try to do something ourselves.
    Yes. Such a time. Well, what to do.
    For those who wish: ready to donate 4 tires, winter. But they say it burns no worse than the summer one.
    1. Nick
      Nick 11 May 2018 13: 40
      +5
      Quote: Ecilop
      Yes. Such a time. Well, what to do.
      For those who wish: ready to donate 4 tires, winter. But they say it burns no worse than the summer one.

      Ukraine proved to everyone who already understood that burning rubber makes life completely unbearable. Sorry for the pun. It’s more legitimate than that.
  9. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 May 2018 12: 43
    +15
    And raise the retirement age ... and why not immediately show people cookies? Why be shy then?
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 11 May 2018 12: 54
      +6
      Quote: NEXUS
      And raise the retirement age.

      The joke in justification, they say, in the 30s, the average age of leaving the other world was 40 years old ..... !!! X ... whether, raise already to 100 years! We tolerate. Curly, with a sigh, he will count the new babos, and they will give Dimon a new iPhone.
      1. Nick
        Nick 11 May 2018 13: 44
        +2
        Quote: edeligor
        The most joke in justification, they say, in the 30's, the average age of leaving for another world was 40 years ..

        These numbers are crafty. Infant mortality was many times higher. And those who survived to working age lived up to 70-80 years.
        1. your1970
          your1970 11 May 2018 16: 15
          0
          and nobody canceled natural selection, the strongest survive. If you were born in a field, drank water from a river, ate the quinoa in hunger, fought, naturally it will live for a long time, all the weak were eliminated immediately - even because of child mortality ....
          1. Nick
            Nick 12 May 2018 14: 21
            0
            Quote: your1970
            and nobody canceled natural selection, the strongest survive.

            What does it have to do with it? I do not deny this, infant mortality affects the average life expectancy, but we are talking about the age of death of the working population. The retirement age should be calculated not from the average life expectancy, but from the age of death of those who work in the good of the country and future generations. And if those who began their labor activities in 17-20 years, for the most part die in 65-66 years, then they should be assigned an old-age pension years before 10 before death and not after it. After death, a pension is therefore not assigned to anyone. In fact, Medvedev proposes depriving pensions of the bulk of the working-age population, forcing them to work until their death. Alas...
            1. your1970
              your1970 12 May 2018 17: 45
              0
              Quote: Nick
              Quote: your1970
              and nobody canceled natural selection, the strongest survive.

              Quote: Nick
              What does it have to do with it? I do not deny this, infant mortality affects the average life expectancy, but we are talking about the age of death of the working population.
              - this is despite the fact that only those who were strongest and healthiest survived among those born between 20-30-40, and by the 50s they had already begun to defeat child mortality, started nursing children with low weight and / or deviations. And now THESE children die now at the age of 60-65 years.

              And then it will be even worse - medicine nurses 0,5 kg of children, their offspring will be even more unstable
  10. freddyk
    freddyk 11 May 2018 12: 44
    +7
    Yes, everything is fine. Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning. The authorities have been hinting at this for a long time. The people cannot understand everything. So, wait, soon they will say straight. I even guess who it is.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 May 2018 13: 33
      +10
      Grudinin wanted to find means at the expense of the oligarchs, but the people did not want to, so he would have to twist his pockets
      1. SEER
        SEER 11 May 2018 14: 18
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Grudinin wanted to find means at the expense of the oligarchs, but the people did not want to, so he would have to twist his pockets

        laughing I only brought my bablishko abroad, I bought a property there.
        and so did it, so did it tongue Already could not eat ...
      2. StVahmistr
        StVahmistr 12 May 2018 23: 32
        +1
        Grudinin wanted to find means at the expense of the oligarchs, but the people did not want to, so he would have to twist his pockets

        The people simply believed in pocket media, which, by order, poured a whole tank of dirt on Grudinin. We have gullible people, dumb ...
  11. Egorovich
    Egorovich 11 May 2018 12: 46
    +7
    You need to beat Medvedev's head gently, but accurately and painfully. And every pensioner needs to hit. Though nobody will forbid to dream. angry
    1. Ivan Tarava
      Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 12: 55
      +15
      For this, Putin is holding him. That most would not fall under your blows. You stay there, all the best to you, good mood and health.
  12. q75agent
    q75agent 11 May 2018 12: 47
    +14
    and 76% shrank at once, but stability in the country, now they only choose to hold on, there’s nothing more to do, GDP both against the Syrians and their people, Benya promised a trip, if you bring us down bully
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 11 May 2018 12: 57
      +5
      Bingo! Right in the pocket)))) Yes, even here the nokhchi started pushing through the 3rd term of the presidency ... HAPPINESS to someone in the house!
  13. sabakina
    sabakina 11 May 2018 12: 48
    +5
    Ministry of Finance
    Interestingly, there is no government yet, but already offers .... Mysticism ...
    1. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 11 May 2018 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: sabakina
      Ministry of Finance
      Interestingly, there is no government yet, but already offers .... Mysticism ...

      Well, the Ministry of Finance still exists, so its proposals and developments for introducing the future Cabinet are quite real.
      But in what I completely agree with you, there is no one to initiate and consider this topic without the Minister of Finance and the government. So the little article smacks of a liberal throw for heating popular pessimism ...
    2. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 11 May 2018 13: 02
      +20
      Japanese mayor! Kostroma? !!! My regards..... hi
      Sleep well, Hometown!
      You do not need a pension .......

      And you say - mysticism .....
      Cabinet sleeps with Sov.feed ...... wink
  14. q75agent
    q75agent 11 May 2018 12: 51
    +3
    Quote: Ecilop
    For those who wish: ready to donate 4 tires, winter. But they say it burns no worse than the summer one.

    suggest starting to burn wink this is not serious laughing you need to start stocking something more seriously wink
  15. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 11 May 2018 12: 51
    +6
    The promised 10 years of great victories began. But they wanted stability.
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan 11 May 2018 14: 12
      +3
      I agree ... Stably everything is bad.
  16. AleBors
    AleBors 11 May 2018 12: 52
    +11
    Decisions are made carefully. After lunch .. Reduce pensions, raise the retirement age, it is better to immediately reach 100 years, otherwise you’ve started to live up to retirement. Increase VAT to 22%, gasoline, products in price will rise by themselves.
    And all the best and good mood ..
    1. freddyk
      freddyk 11 May 2018 13: 11
      +3
      Quote: AleBors
      Decisions are made carefully. After lunch .. Reduce pensions, raise the retirement age, it is better to immediately reach 100 years, otherwise you’ve started to live up to retirement. Increase VAT to 22%, gasoline, products in price will rise by themselves.
      And all the best and good mood ..

      You have just quoted Putin’s election program. They didn’t disclose it on TV. But it was possible to find, if interested. So why now sprinkle your head with ash. This is already a given. Live from it. The soul will immediately become easier.
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 11 May 2018 13: 38
        +2
        Excuse me, are you giving me advice? Did I ask you something? I don’t remember. request My post-statement of a fait accompli. I assumed this before the circus, called the election, in which I did not participate. So for me there is nothing unexpected.
        Accordingly, your advice is inappropriate. No.
        1. freddyk
          freddyk 11 May 2018 18: 19
          0
          Well, call me, if that.) You just didn’t succeed in getting away from this circus, you still cast your vote for Putin.
          1. AleBors
            AleBors 11 May 2018 19: 09
            0
            Sorry, with whom does not happen. And how did I vote for Putin? Although I’m not interested, the main thing is to be in harmony with one’s own conscience. I did not participate in this booth.
            1. freddyk
              freddyk 11 May 2018 19: 23
              0
              Quote: AleBors
              the main thing is to be in harmony with one’s own conscience


              That's for sure, as Comrade Sukhov said))
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 23
      0
      Look, as if the Chinese experience was not accepted at all, only 30% of pensioners receive a pension - the rest are to support relatives and do not care that the relatives will not have money for this.
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 11 May 2018 16: 35
        +1
        I have long ceased to rely on the state, so I put it off. And not in banks and currencies. So for a while, that's enough. And then, maybe the children will help.
  17. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 11 May 2018 12: 55
    +2
    Here is the question for the article. If there is a digital sign, that is, there is a justification under it, due to which there will be savings. And so - this is a pure stuffing, so that the people fantasize and swear in accordance with the depth of their "optimism" and "love" for the government.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 May 2018 09: 51
      +3
      Hi soldier
      Any stuffing is very timely now! after those appointments in the government, very many have a mood exclusively on obscene for all these decisions to express themselves.
      Although the people expressed support for GDP, they hoped for CHANGE ... like "father dear" and said \ promised \ broadcast.
      We needed symbolic actions, new faces in the government, for example! And here, hello again, everything is as before.
      No, this ban-and-n-band is not like Danko, for whom you can go for a bright future!
  18. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 11 May 2018 12: 56
    +3
    There is nothing to expect from the Vedmedevakudrinoids! Mediocrity and crooks got into power! Let the government, the Supreme Council and the Duma give up salaries and financial benefits at all!
  19. Bomb
    Bomb 11 May 2018 12: 59
    +13
    It's time to come to terms and understand that you are a sucker ..... state resources belong to the people =) I have never seen at least one ruble from the sale of these resources in my salary, but I regularly pay 13%, rent and transport tax. When will you get drunk on the creature !!! ???
  20. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 11 May 2018 13: 01
    +20
    I have a question. I have a bad habit of listening to Putin’s speeches. Unfortunately, I heard lies from him, which for me dashed the hopes for the prosperity of my country. Truly there is no stronger bond than the bonds of partnership (N, B, Gogol). Representing the iPhone in the Duma as chairman, Putin motivated his decision by saying that the team led by the iPhone worked hard for a year and a half to develop a program to implement presidential decrees, they all worked out, so that’s why they’ll hand over the cards and then ... But the next day the iPhone convened a government meeting and, with a blue eye, said that the government needed time until October to develop a program to implement the presidential decrees, he summed up his friend and boss. So there is no program? So Putin just lied, promoting his drugan to the post.
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 11 May 2018 13: 15
      +20
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      So Putin just lied, promoting his drugan

      It took you 18 years to realize this. Well, many did not have enough of this term ...
  21. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte 11 May 2018 13: 04
    +2
    After all, one must take money from somewhere for the next “May wishes” of the Great Helmsman.
    And Roscosmos will not be able to provide the whole world with high-speed satellite Internet at its own expense - everyone goes to support the industrial production of helium-3 on the moon.
    1. impostor
      impostor 11 May 2018 13: 10
      +2
      Moreover, it’s obviously not to take managers with effective friends, otherwise you could try a progressive differentiated tax scale
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 27
      0
      “One must take money from somewhere for the next May wishes of the Great Helmsman.” So they will be so, oil above 43 bucks - for one dollar higher than the plan - in addition to the budget of 116 billion rubles, if over the next 6 years, a barrel will cost about 80 bucks - then during this time the budget will receive an additional 27 trillion rubles.
      1. Snakebyte
        Snakebyte 11 May 2018 15: 18
        +7
        Additional income from the sale of oil will find application in new megaprojects. Some golf world championships will be held.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 May 2018 16: 53
          +1
          Without golf, Russia has megaprojects - the construction of 10 nuclear power plants, 50 state district power stations, thermal power plants, hydroelectric power stations, a bridge to Sakhalin, the modernization of BAM, the construction of 14000 kilometers of railway roads, including high-speed Moscow-Kazan and its continuation together with China, Moscow-Beijing , tens of thousands of factories and factories of different profiles - the cost of trillions 50, in the long term until 2030.
          1. Separ
            Separ 12 May 2018 17: 57
            +1
            Or can people first make a decent life, and then to China?
            1. impostor
              impostor 12 May 2018 23: 03
              +2
              And she is worthy. But only in humans.
  22. impostor
    impostor 11 May 2018 13: 04
    +12
    Optimization of non-productive ballast. Lord, when will it come to 56 million people who vote?
    1. Alf
      Alf 12 May 2018 20: 28
      +1
      Quote: impostor
      Optimization of non-productive ballast. Lord, when will it come to 56 million people who vote?

      When they are directly told, Tomorrow everyone will die before dinner. They will die, but with the words, So it is necessary.
  23. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 11 May 2018 13: 11
    +7
    Genocide. But in sweet packaging and chatter.
  24. Romanenko
    Romanenko 11 May 2018 13: 11
    0
    I hope they’ll put experiments on officials first?
    Well, so that their pensions correspond to the national average and from the age of 65?
  25. Million
    Million 11 May 2018 13: 20
    +14
    Everything, as promised by the great Putin: improving the welfare of the people of Russia.
    Just did not specify exactly whose well-being.
    It turns out I didn’t even lie
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 34
      +1
      "Just did not specify exactly whose well-being." - Our condition - those who work and produce. And how can the well-being of those retired improve? 28 million pensioners - to pay everyone three subsistence minimums, the entire budget is not enough.
      1. Million
        Million 11 May 2018 14: 39
        +3
        do we produce something ??? unless oil, gas, minerals that can be sold abroad
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 May 2018 15: 08
          0
          Yes they do - from pins to reactors, satellites and rocket engines. But you do not participate in this - you are not aware of this.
          1. Million
            Million 11 May 2018 15: 21
            +7
            It can be seen. As you go to the store, some domestic goods!))))
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 11 May 2018 16: 55
              0
              And part of them is produced in Russia under foreign brands - CX is almost all domestic.
            2. StVahmistr
              StVahmistr 12 May 2018 23: 47
              +1
              It can be seen. As you go to the store, some domestic goods!))))
              The highlight is that their own, domestic goods will be more expensive than two times. Here, Nae ... ugh ..... Nabiulina steers, questions to her.
          2. Snakebyte
            Snakebyte 11 May 2018 15: 29
            +7
            Yeah, banal compressors for refrigerators have to be purchased in China, and banal resistors for the electronic filling of "reactors, satellites and rocket engines" - in Belarus.
            In the RCMP, which is for the Great Helmsman “an ideal to strive for,” dreadnoughts were built (the highest hi-tech in those days). Here are just the production of its own bearings, manometers, electric motors and other fillings in the country was not made. At best, screwdriver assembly in joint ventures. As a result, the Ishmaels were never completed.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 11 May 2018 17: 02
              0
              My enterprise and not only manufactures sliding bearings - electric motors are also produced in Russia - foreign brands, not a screwdriver, but localization, like a measuring tool. Microprocessors produce resistors transistors in Taiwan - it is cheaper and more profitable to produce them not only in Russia, but also in the USA, China, Japan and everything else.
  26. Seaflame
    Seaflame 11 May 2018 13: 20
    +11
    Attitude to the elderly (pensioners) is one of the most striking manifestations of the moral character of power. And this look disappoints me more and more.
    1. Nix1986
      Nix1986 11 May 2018 14: 02
      +4
      No matter how cynical it sounds, but pensioners have already lived their lives, Indian generics with a share of 80-90% get free for children with oncology, and this is the resistance of the therapy and, at best, relapse, in the worst, resistance and mts and scream at the same time that treat children for free and drugs available.
      1. Seaflame
        Seaflame 11 May 2018 14: 28
        +6
        Yes, do not put either-or. And old people And children in a strong country should be protected.
        1. Nix1986
          Nix1986 11 May 2018 14: 40
          +3
          I agree with you, but it is very ideal, at least they have normally taken care of those who have their whole lives ahead. And as it happens, I'm sorry, but your child’s treatment will not fall under the quota / budget program, parents sell housing to cure the child, and then the child turns 18 years old - go here, give back the debt.
          1. Seaflame
            Seaflame 11 May 2018 19: 07
            0
            This is normal for many countries and the fact that it seems to us that "it is very perfect" is the misfortune of our country and our citizens, and the guilt is on officials urging to stay.
          2. StVahmistr
            StVahmistr 12 May 2018 23: 55
            0
            but your child’s treatment will not fall under the quota / budget program, parents sell housing to cure the child, and then the child turns 18 - come here, pay back the debt.

            I wrote about this to Mr. Medvedev on the site where the cop reform was discussed. They didn’t live for a day, they deleted it ... But they still did the reform, although 80% of the respondents reacted to this sharply negative and suggested several programs where it would be possible to invest this money, cut down all the same ...
  27. Galleon
    Galleon 11 May 2018 13: 41
    +9
    The news is not entirely complete - spending on the penitentiary system is increasing by 4,6 billion, and by 20,5 billion for the police. here is the link https://tsargrad.tv/news/tjurmy-i-naruchniki-vmes
    to-hleba-minfin-narisoval-svetloe-budushhee-rossi
    i_131362
    What did you want, that they’ll just take it away? No, they’re also telling in the face, which will open your mouth!
  28. Enoch
    Enoch 11 May 2018 13: 44
    +2
    Do not want to raise the age, so we ruble you!
  29. Vard
    Vard 11 May 2018 13: 48
    +1
    Everything is known by comparison ... we compare ourselves with Europe ... and the Chinese envy our pensioners ...
  30. Nix1986
    Nix1986 11 May 2018 13: 59
    +1
    Why, someone else seriously hopes to live on a pension ?! I miss this news, I earn capital for myself, so that there is something to live on in later life. And if you, as Zaputinians, hope everything, it means whining all the time.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 35
      +1
      There is only one way out, for those that work - start putting off as early as yesterday.
  31. RUSS
    RUSS 11 May 2018 14: 00
    +3
    I’m not surprised how people cheated on March 18, 2018.
  32. gukoyan
    gukoyan 11 May 2018 14: 02
    +6
    I look forward to when the Maidan breaks out in our country, how much can you endure this crap ???
    Maybe enough already all debts to forgive and feed need a freebie ??? You look and money will appear, and if they stop stealing, the economy will creep up rapidly.
    If we reduce payments and increase age, can taxes be paid less then?
    Really already tired that in this rich country everything grows except welfare.
    1. Bomb
      Bomb 11 May 2018 14: 36
      +3
      GDP is not stupid, do not wait. Run on a short leash .... as soon as the poop begins to boil the leash will be released and so on until the end of time. The people themselves are to blame - so reap the benefits of the 90s.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 14: 37
      +1
      Do not wait - it will not break out, everyone will be busy with work - work and look for work to feed themselves.
  33. Gardamir
    Gardamir 11 May 2018 14: 25
    +1
    Ministry of Finance proposed to reduce pension costs
    But the president doesn’t know.
  34. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 11 May 2018 14: 29
    0
    Quote: kepmor
    express "sincere gratitude" to ALL "patriots" who voted for EP and Putin ...

    The whole catch is that vote - do not vote, but as they consider, it will be so. This time they counted 76%.
    It remains to do with pensioners and people with disabilities, as in a joke: Have you tried them with dust?
  35. sub307
    sub307 11 May 2018 14: 55
    +2
    Quote: Logall
    Volodya, hi and I told you that this is all a common sight! That nowhere Medvedev does not go anywhere ... That the iPhone is smarter than its owner, but it is already buggy ...

    Maybe, maybe .... Only here is the "stupid" prime minister "in the saddle" and "with his" ..., unlike the current and future pensioners. Maybe it’s time for pensioners, as well as for the rest of the population, to be “kept by God” wiser, and vote not with “the heart”, but more with the “brains”.
  36. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 May 2018 15: 01
    +2
    to disperse the Duma, and the high work like in the Union, arrived decided and all the rest of the time on the ground
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 May 2018 15: 11
      0
      In Russia, on the ground, they mostly beat people - at all and at all, and then they are surprised that the regions are in debt and stagnation.
  37. Wolverine
    Wolverine 11 May 2018 15: 32
    +2
    Quote: Solomon Kane
    Japanese mayor! Kostroma? !!! My regards..... hi
    Sleep well, Hometown!
    You do not need a pension .......

    And you say - mysticism .....
    Cabinet sleeps with Sov.feed ...... wink

    More like a zombie gang, these leaned back from the buzz, and the rest of the eyes were unkind. belay
    1. 22 dmdc
      22 dmdc 11 May 2018 19: 11
      0
      Like a domino!
  38. nikolaev
    nikolaev 11 May 2018 15: 50
    +1
    you didn’t understand anything. They sincerely care for you: they will raise the retirement age - so now you will have to live longer to enjoy this paradise - pension a little. So in this way they will increase life expectancy (and bring people to 100 by the age of 24) and the budget is again good (American, of course).
  39. aikon1974
    aikon1974 11 May 2018 16: 53
    +3
    I remember here for the sun, many who prayed. You just did not believe the Far East that would be even worse. Although I'm not a pensioner yet, I'm worried about my old people. I will help them, but who else will help others.
  40. Evil 55
    Evil 55 11 May 2018 17: 18
    +2
    And when they propose to reduce the costs of the bureaucracy, various siphons and settlers of the nomenclature, I would like to know ....
  41. APASUS
    APASUS 11 May 2018 21: 22
    +2
    Medvedev is burning!
    My darkest forebodings were confirmed.
  42. Dmitry Khromkov
    Dmitry Khromkov 11 May 2018 21: 23
    0
    All these innovations will only push people away from the president. And this is what Medvedev and his team are seeking.
    1. Skarpzd
      Skarpzd 12 May 2018 03: 14
      +1
      came such a Medvedev, it is not clear where, with his team, and soooo let people push the president away ...
    2. Seaflame
      Seaflame 12 May 2018 18: 45
      +1
      The king is good, the boyars are bad ... Old song!
    3. StVahmistr
      StVahmistr 13 May 2018 00: 01
      0
      All these innovations will only push people away from the president. And this is what Medvedev and his team are seeking.
      You are so naive .... lol
  43. Separ
    Separ 12 May 2018 17: 39
    0
    The crystal dream of our government is that all pensioners would die out as mammoths - all at once. wassat