A third of Russians believe that the retirement age should be reduced. And what about the Cabinet? ..

The more often the topic of the “proposals” of the government on pension reform is raised, the more often the results of sociological and other studies on the subject of how Russians relate to raising the retirement age appear in the press. So, RIA News with reference to the employment service HeadHunter summarizes a remarkable survey. HH conducted a survey among 8 thousands of users, and if you believe its results, 6% of respondents consider the initiative to raise the retirement age to be correct.

I wonder who those people who support the idea? Are those the ones who are behind the initiative? ..

53% of respondents believe that today in Russia there are optimal age limits for retirement for men and women.

35% of HeadHunter respondents were in favor of the government thinking not about raising the retirement age in Russia, but about reducing it. According to the majority of these 35 percent, men should retire in 54, women - no later than 50.

Recall that one of the first statements made by the new old chairman of the Russian government was a statement about the need to prepare a bill on the reform of the pension system. According to Medvedev, the average life expectancy (ALE) in Russia reached 72 years, and the retirement age was determined in the 30 years of the last century, when the ALE in the country was “about 40 years”. On the eve of the "Military Review" out material about that ( link), what is the cunning figures of the average life expectancy in the USSR sample of the late thirties, or rather the cunning of how it is presented today.

Comments

[210ox]

The people and the government live on different planets .. What reduction in the retirement age can be talked about? Before the eyes of the leaders, only the IMF manuals and others like him.

[Vard]

And she only ... One woman at work complained that she lives with her mother and no personal life through it ... Salary of 20 ... The boss advised her ... 000 to buy an apartment ... Like that can you or something ... In Russia, a huge gap between the rich and the poor ...

[210ox]

Where did you see the apartment at that price?

Quote: Vard

And she only ... One woman at work complained that she lives with her mother and no personal life through it ... Salary of 20 ... The boss advised her ... 000 to buy an apartment ... Like that can you or something ... In Russia, a huge gap between the rich and the poor ...

[Logall]

Dmitry, , in the town of Miaundzha, in the Magadan Region, you can buy a hut for twenty thousand. But this is not an indicator!
They - the government are winning back on us for their failed pension reform.
Forelocks always fly at lackeys.

[Vard]

200 is the salary of the boss ...

[Nick]

Quote: 210ox

Where did you see the apartment at that price?

So maybe in the currency of the European Union?

[Angara]

Quote: 210ox

Where did you see the apartment at that price?

Quote: Vard

And she only ... One woman at work complained that she lives with her mother and no personal life through it ... Salary of 20 ... The boss advised her ... 000 to buy an apartment ... Like that can you or something ... In Russia, a huge gap between the rich and the poor ...

So cu, probably

[the most important]

Quote: Vard

In Russia, a huge gap between the rich and the poor

99,999% of Russians believe that they must drive the government! But who cares about their opinion ??

[tap]

I deny it. According to the latest data, dated March 18, p. g., 76% of Russians think exactly the opposite.

[astepanov]

Sir, calculate how much you personally paid taxes, including to the pension fund from your salary for the time you work, subtract from there what went into the non-productive sphere (army, doctors, teachers, support for the disabled, etc.) and estimate how many years of life will be enough remaining. For a year? For two?
Everyone wants freebies, but they don’t want to work at least half as much as our parents did. Give everyone pensions right from birth, but a thousand bucks a day, and so that the president personally wiped his ass. Ukrainians, too, wanted to - and galloped. So go, dear sir, and work.
Amen.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: astepanov

Everyone wants freebies, but they don’t want to work at least half as much as our parents did.

Our parents had no problems with employment until the 91 year.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: astepanov

Everyone wants freebies, but they don’t want to work at least half as much as our parents did. Give everyone pensions right from birth, but a thousand bucks a day, and so that the president personally wiped his ass. Ukrainians, too, wanted to - and galloped. So go, dear sir, and work.

Well, let's just say, they want not freebies, but an old-age pension established under the USSR. This does not happen. The USSR died, and with it all the "goodies" for the workers. He is generally imprisoned for capitalism in order to squeeze the maximum possible profit out of the hard worker, at the minimum cost of its maintenance. All the guys. Get ready for what will be canceled soon and the 8 hour business day. It will be necessary to plow for 12-14 hours and up to 65 years. This is the modest fee that you have to pay for the right to take a mortgage for the purchase of housing (this was given free of charge at the advice), or a loan to educate the child, or to put in teeth, which was also on the ball with the advice. Why resent it? Does memory not let go? All together the “scoop” is scolded, but as soon as it personally touches everyone, the Soviet “vestiges” like it more and more. The time will come when the USSR will be remembered as the most advanced state in the history of mankind.

[astepanov]

Well, let’s say that you’ve got enough of the free apartments — I worked at the research institute for twenty years, raised three children — and never received any apartment. And the same thing - all my colleagues. So free housing was the exception rather than the rule. And about the fact that

Quote: Nyrobsky

He is generally imprisoned for capitalism in order to squeeze the maximum possible profit out of the hard worker, at the minimum cost of its maintenance.

also not entirely true: in developed countries with a social network it’s not so bad, better than ours, and the interest on the mortgage is completely different. But, envious of their pensions, we forget about their older output and the amount of taxes.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: astepanov

I worked at the research institute for twenty years

I don’t know in which research institute you worked, but at AvtoVAZ everyone received apartments. At Volgoelektromontazh, apartments were given right up to '94. Togliattiazot did not offend the same hard workers. This is for Togliatti.
Yes, there were queues for apartments, but they still gave apartments, and to everyone.
Now it’s getting ridiculous when United Russia reports on the number of square meters of housing built - developers are building for grandmas, and reporting on the “achievements” of EP!

[Sotskiy]

Quote: the most important

Quote: Vard

In Russia, a huge gap between the rich and the poor

99,999% of Russians believe that they must drive the government! But who cares about their opinion ??

And what Russians then voted for this Government in March, and earlier for the People and Party United party in the State Duma? Or does someone still believe in a fairy tale about the good "king" and the evil "boyars"?
Everything is logical, for which they voted and received. It is democracy. True, "interest" in this case is different for everyone and will be rewarded to everyone according to his "merit"
Believe brothers and sisters, believe in a "miracle" and you will be rewarded in heaven, and on sinful earth from "grateful" descendants.

[Sergey-svs]

They would have raised it right away to 90 years - and in general there would have been no problems with the payment of pensions ... And why are they needed? He worked and paid all the contributions to the PFR - die ... Carry the next one!

[lopvlad]

Quote: Sergey-svs

Would have raised immediately to 90 years

for men who are now 40 years old can only be raised to 70, boldly saying that no one will live up to retirement at 70.

[tap]

... and do not pay contributions to the FIU, respectively. Meaning?

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Sergey-svs

They would have raised it right away to 90 years - and in general there would have been no problems with the payment of pensions ...

[sabakina]

Quote: 210ox

The people and the government live on different planets .. What reduction in retirement age can we talk about?

[Skif83]

Which once again emphasizes that the government is not ours, it is in itself!
And "touched" this:

HeadHunter summarizes a noteworthy survey. HH conducted a survey among 8 thousand users, and, according to its results, 6% of respondents consider the initiative to raise the retirement age to be correct.

. This rotten office - HH, is now a measure of retirement age.
The Government, if it is the Government, and not the government, should resolve this issue as follows:
1. find out how many newly arrived non-pensioners will find a job for themselves according to their education and experience, while the country now, according to such HH, needs only “effective managers”;
2. how many people of pre-retirement age and, accordingly, their families will remain with nothing.

In the meantime, the people openly and shamelessly ROBET! Pension money is “long” money, roughly speaking, not a handout of the state, but rather, it is a loan of the state from its own (or not entirely own, or maybe not even its own?) People. It only takes it without asking, but gives it a lot of bargaining and trying to ... blow

[tap]

Only in envelopes!

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Skif83

Which once again emphasizes that the government is not ours, it is in itself!
And "touched" this:

HeadHunter summarizes a noteworthy survey. HH conducted a survey among 8 thousand users, and, according to its results, 6% of respondents consider the initiative to raise the retirement age to be correct.

. This rotten office - HH, is now a measure of retirement age.
The Government, if it is the Government, and not the government, should resolve this issue as follows:
1. find out how many newly arrived non-pensioners will find a job for themselves according to their education and experience, while the country now, according to such HH, needs only “effective managers”;
2. how many people of pre-retirement age and, accordingly, their families will remain with nothing.

In the meantime, the people openly and shamelessly ROBET! Pension money is “long” money, roughly speaking, not a handout of the state, but rather, it is a loan of the state from its own (or not entirely own, or maybe not even its own?) People. It only takes it without asking, but gives it a lot of bargaining and trying to ... blow

why didn’t anyone ask the question - why is it increasing? answer options -

1. to increase the number of employees, in order to feed pensioners.
the problem immediately arises - and where to get jobs for them ?? who (any obscene, who immediately came to mind) needs a worker with the health of a 60-year-old man ?? well, except that officials can sit at least up to 90 in their place!

2. for GDP growth (not to be confused with the president!) - there’s a whole bunch of questions! firstly, GDP growth can be achieved only by increasing labor productivity - that is, if you do not have enough workers, you should not spend resources on new workers with a salary of 20000, but maximize the production process itself, automation, robotics, etc., retrain those who is and who can wants to relearn, pay them 100000. It will still be much more profitable!

but then a toad wakes up - how so ?? to pay that kind of money for re-equipment, retraining ?? it’s easier to invite a low-skilled workers who are ready to survive on a beggarly salary ...

in the USSR there was a system of “punishment” for increasing labor productivity - for example, if a machine operator wrote “ratsukha” and made a plan for 140-150%, he received a bonus, and a month later they “cut back” the norm and he again received the same amount, although the plant became produce more products. Now the situation is the same - the working unit of the product gives in millions, but gets 20-30 sput, and the "owner" takes the "margin". Well, this is of course in a simplified form. Gosvo is not thinking about HOW to increase production volume with a small population, but WHO TAKE NOW so as not to strain

[BecmepH]

Quote: Yuyuka

why didn’t anyone ask the question - why is it increasing?

Themselves asked
Themselves answered

officials can sit at least up to 90 in their place!

[Denis Obukhov]

Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin died at age 37.
And what have you done for your homeland?

Pension Fund of the Russian Federation

[Greg Miller]

Well, something like this.....

[naidas]

So many retire early military, northern, a number of professions.
What's wrong with them? And the amounts are different.

[210ox]

It remains for all citizens of Russia to go to military service in the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...

Quote: naidas

So many retire early military, northern, a number of professions.
What's wrong with them? And the amounts are different.

[naidas]

And there is .
There are now much more law enforcement officers in Russia than there were in the USSR
Read in full: http://yablor.ru/blogs/vse-taki-v-rossii-siloviko
v-bolshe / 1728080

[Glory1974]

There are now much more law enforcement officers in Russia than there were in the USSR

nonsense. There were 5 million people in the army, now 1 million

[tap]

This situation has developed in the DPRK. Catch up!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: naidas

Northern, a number of professions.

I have both the Nordic and the profession, so what? In the USSR, this was lured to the north, but to the sea ....
Only this health will not return ... Few of mine are left ... And those who are younger, so they have long been where there are no pensions ....

[naidas]

Stand up for the machine, at 50 our government believes that this gives health.
I partially agree with the author, where physical labor pensions ahead of schedule, and not remove the harmfulness.

[To be or not to be]

About pensions before the revolution and in Soviet times ..
http://opensii.info/pensionnyy-vozrast/v-sssr-po-
godam /
1. "In pre-revolutionary Russia, there were also pensions, they were paid to officials, gendarmes, military and other sovereign people. Of the workers, only those who worked in state-owned factories fell into this category. There was no retirement age or age limit as such, but there was only a length of service:

for 35 years of work in one place relied on a full pension,
for 25 - half.
And this is only for those entitled to a pension. "
2. In 1928, they began to appoint old-age pensions to workers in certain industries, then this spread to all workers, and the turn came to employees in 1937.

Everywhere in the world, the age limit was high, about 70 years. Against this background, the retirement age introduced in the USSR turned out to be the lowest: it is 60 for men and 55 for women.
In 1956, the State, through a law adopted by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, guaranteed its citizens material security in old age - a pension.
The Soviet pension system did without the Pension Fund. "" "

[Login_Off]

I would reduce the retirement age to 45, reduce pension payments, see a minimum pension of 2000 rubles, do not limit the funded part.
WHAT WE HAVE AS A RESULT.
People begin at an early age to think about how to save up for retirement in a short period of time.
After 45, they still receive accumulated pension while working, help children, etc.
Already in old age children can help.
If they do not have time to save up, then let the children help.
Such a policy will discipline more.

[tap]

We have 35 million poor. How can they help if they themselves need help?

[tap]

So the Soviet government is ideological for people, the current one is for mammon.

[Alex20042004]

"... The Soviet pension system did without the Pension Fund."
- The Pension Fund was previously called differently.
Now another example from life.
A man worked for us in an organization, a salary high, he waited a long time for him to retire soon.
Gone. Rested for 2,5 years. There was not enough money. I went to work. Took him to a low salary. Now regrets that he early retired.
That's the whole deal.

[72jora72]

So many retire early military, northern, a number of professions.

So in the north and die at 45-55, and who did not die, but was able to earn a pension, they leave for the mainland, where for five years they still give oak ........

[naidas]

Quote: 72jora72

So in the north and die at 45-55, and

This is your opinion, and the opinion of statistics for 2018:
Central Federal District 67,49 men 77,71 women
Southern Federal District (since 2010) 67,05 men 77,06 women
Northwestern Federal District 66,28 men 76,83 women
Tomsk region 65,94 76,46
Nenets Autonomous Okrug 65,22 76,90
Arkhangelsk Region 64,85 76,60
Ural Federal District 64,55 76,15
Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) 64,94 75,84
Murmansk region 64,48 75,72
Republic of Komi 63,26 75,66
Siberian Federal District 63,59 75,02
Kurgan region 62,82 75,51
Far Eastern Federal District 63,28 74,35
Chukotka Autonomous Okrug 59,35 69,69
Republic of Tyva 58,05 68,29
In Tver, the people are dying almost like in the Khabarovsk Territory and Magadan.
Source: Central Statistical Bureau of Rosstat

[Mountain shooter]

Why trifle? We must retire at birth ... Type the state, we ALL should "for life" by the very fact of birth ... Well, then we were not lucky ... We had to be born in Qatar ... Or in the Emirates ... Well, and if you are not lucky - you have to work to live.
And how much has worked - so much to receive in retirement ... As generally in almost all the world. In the states, the retirement age is 67 years.

[Muvka]

I also do not understand why they whine. But I would start by equating the retirement of women with men. Moreover, according to statistics, they live longer. And retire earlier. I honestly do not see anything shameful in this, especially since they are constantly fighting for their equality)

[tap]

And even whining that you will live to retirement is a question, but pay today. And they dispose of this money, as their piggy bank. Indeed, why should the state pay pensions? It’s time to recall the phrase “travel the world”

[Volodin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And how many have gained - so much and get retired ...

Good joke for our realities. We have such a system that people who have worked for 30-40 for years at factories, mines, and schools often receive a pension a little more than those who have not worked a single day.

And, of course, it is possible to compare with the States ... On the street, to meet an 70-year-old man "on his own feet" is already a very big rarity

[Glory1974]

We have such a system that people who have worked 30-40 years in factories, mines, and schools often receive a little more pension than those who have not worked a day.

we have a system so that, God forbid, a simple citizen receives a large pension. The military has a lowering coefficient, ordinary workers have a minimum. And now everyone hid them with retirement points, you can’t determine how much the pension should be.
A neighbor, a cautorang in reserve, worked for 20 years in the national economy, last year he hit 60, went on a civilian pension. Accrued 5 thousand rubles. And to another, a drunkard, I do not know how much he worked, but they counted 11 of thousands. Conclusion: for retirement, they consider all your incomes, they won’t give much, even though you will be the CEO and you will accrue millions to yourself. But it’s impossible to die quickly, they will pay a living wage.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the states, the retirement age is 67 years.

In the United States, a mortgage cannot exceed 4% per year.

[Star]

In the states, the standard of living and medicine are different.
There is nothing to compare, for lovers of extreme comparisons you can remember about serfdom.
In general, at today's pension level, it should be a shame to talk about it at all.
It is better to discuss salaries of 400000 rubles. servants of the people and the introduction of fines and other state. levies as a percentage of their income.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the states, the retirement age is 67 years.

there live up to 88 on average, but with us?

[Terenin]

After all, how ?! Here I am, in retirement, and I believe that the retirement age can be raised, and then who will feed us. And my son (lieutenant colonel), says that you’re Dad, you’re starting to rave ...

[Vard]

You have a military pension ... not like that of hard workers ... only here is what the dog rummaged for ... I kind of entered into a discussion with the military ... he is to me, and if the war ... I'll be you to protect ... so if the war is then an automatic machine then they will give me any hands ... so we are on an equal footing ... and different pensions ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

now go outraged to the street, and you, a liberalist, a bulkier, a white pet, will be equated with a gozman and a son of an amnuel, and the Russian Guard will prepare for a "warm-up" .. both on the back ... and the back!

[tap]

As the song sings: "... there’s nothing, bastard, the people are damned ..."

[Paranoid50]

Quote: zapfen

"... there is nothing, bastard, the people are balamamut ..."

Here, in VO, by the way, there is Ivan Pomidorov.

[Glory1974]

now go outraged into the street, and you are a liberalist, a bulkier, a white pet, will be equated with the gozman and the son of an amnuel

We live in a state of law. Submit the application as it should, do not arrange mass riots, do not attract foreigners with cookies and representatives of sexual minorities to the rally, and representatives of the Russian Guard will stand and pick their nose.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Vard

You have a military pension ... not like that of hard workers ... only here is what the dog rummaged for ... I kind of entered into a discussion with the military ... he is to me, and if the war ... I'll be you to protect ... so if the war is then an automatic machine then they will give me any hands ... so we are on an equal footing ... and different pensions ...

Why aren't you in Syria? After all

we are on equal footing ...

And my pension is military. A little over 14 tr

[Vard]

I have a right foot in memory of the service three centimeters shorter ... but I am disabled due to cancer, and regarding your pension ... you have a ceiling for civilians ... people worked at the factory for forty years and such a pension ...

[BecmepH]

Quote: Vard

people worked for forty years at the factory and such a pension ...

They do not risk their lives for the sake of others, unknowns. I got my housing in retirement. And this is my ninth living space with my family. We lived with the children in a hostel and in a soldier’s dining room, which was being renovated, and in a former abandoned store. And how many times have we lived apart when you change jobs. And a year and a half. And those who are 40 years old at the plant will agree to live like this?
And I was dismissed from the Sun on disability. And I have a pension, I repeat, a little over 14 tr
Employers refused me when they found out about disability. Settled hiding his misfortune. Once every six months I am ordered to lie in the hospital. Fifth year, I avoid the hospital. Self-medication. So I would argue that it’s better to be 40 years old at the factory, or to be a military man ...

[Vard]

Well what can I say ... there are two of us fools ... one in the army ... the other in civilian life ...

[BecmepH]

Quote: Vard

Well what can I say ... there are two of us fools ... one in the army ... the other in civilian life ...

It's nice to talk to smart people. Thank you for understanding

[cold19]

about the hard workers better shut up !! Just go to the mine once !!!!

[ARES623]

Quote: Vard

and regarding your pension ... you have a ceiling for civilians ... people worked for forty years at the factory and such a pension ...

In our state, they are not forcibly driven into a plant, that they are not repaired for service in the army. All conditions are transparent, that is, everyone knows everything about the terms of service and the size of pensions and is fully enough to decide whether to serve or not to serve. In general, the state can’t be fooled; it just won’t receive a pension ahead of time for nothing. The civilian worked his 40 hours a week and 2 days off, and the soldier, especially the company-battalion unit per week, 60-70 hours and where the Motherland ordered, without milk for harm. So do not measure someone who hangs longer. Everywhere has its own - and +.

[Terenin]

Quote: Vard

You have a military pension ... not like that of hard workers ...

Right, dear Ward. Something like this happened in life, after the 10th grade with the guys, we decided to enter military schools (the 78th year, the result of the education of our military commander). He entered, served 35 years and retired. Yes, I almost forgot, I have two military injuries, one is severe ... With uv.

[g1washntwn]

Raise women to men 60 years old. They are for equal rights, live more and more blah blah blah. And the statistics, I apologize for being rude - forgive me here in the service of the Treasury.
Everyone who offers to increase the retirement age - to take by the scruff of his neck and run out into the street to run around the labor market, let them try to find a job after 40.

[naidas]

I would suggest those who offer to increase the retirement age to work on machines (turning, milling), from 40 to retirement.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: naidas

I would suggest those who offer to increase the retirement age to work on machines (turning, milling), from 40 to retirement.

yeah, my friend was out of work, he was under fifty dollars. invited him to work together on a lathe - the most primitive operation and good money. it was enough for half a day - I can’t say it, not mine and on my feet all day - it's hard ... although I was sitting without work, I was in front of this electrician ... so all these tips on increasing age ... there are no literary words

[Gardamir]

I do not understand this shaft of outrageous articles. Two months ago, the one who said that they would raise the retirement age, that would remain Medvedev and Kudrin was called a State Department official. Well, gentlemen, State Deputies, what are you dissatisfied with?

[tap]

Dissatisfied with the degree of their intellectual development. The subconscious then says: "we are not @ b @ li!

[Gardamir]

us

You1? I am always against a person whose main ideology is liberalism. A man whose tongue does not hurt from the frequent calling of the enemies of Russia as his partners. A man who is proud to have optimized medicine, but there is money throughout the country for building churches.

[Million]

Putin and the Cabinet know better when it’s time for us to retire. 80% entrusted him with the right to decide everything for us

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Million

Putin and the Cabinet know better when it’s time for us to retire. 80% entrusted him with the right to decide everything for us

Well, you can advise you to retire at the same time as the funeral - and write on the tablet "retired well-deserved" retirement date coincides with the date of burial. By the way, primitive people did not have pensions ... well, this is already in the next term of the reign of Russia, let the people get used to it so far ...

[spirit]

As economists say, in Russia people are new oil! Doi do not want to, but they still vote for you) it’s not for nothing that the GDP told the children that Russia is easy to manage

[Abram]

They will raise the retirement age and well. Fewer people in the hope / for a handout of 10-12k will vote for this power Give more financial literacy and less hope for the state!

[Strips]

В theories women need to raise their retirement age, but men who barely survive it - no.

But this is only in theory, since now for many women and men who continue to work, retirement is a good help that helps them survive.

Now a lot of pensioners are working and they will lose a lot, and the state will earn.

Raising the retirement age, it is necessary to provide work for people at such an age, which is quite difficult. Yes, and raise pensions.

Otherwise, it looks like the state is robbing its citizens.

[tap]

What does it mean to provide work? Jobs decrees and decrees not create.

[Altona]

Quote: Muvka

I also do not understand why they whine. But I would start by equating the retirement of women with men. Moreover, according to statistics, they live longer. And retire earlier. I honestly do not see anything shameful in this, especially since they are constantly fighting for their equality)

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The military and the police have retired earlier and have been working successfully, also receiving a pension. And what is worse than an engineer or a worker who also has super nervous work and has to swear every day?

[Muvka]

Well, teachers, too, begin to receive a pension earlier. My mother does not have 55 yet, but she receives a pension for at least 5 years. If you dig around, a lot of people retire much earlier. North for example. This is what I know from a personal example.

[Alex-a832]

In the service - yes, the work was nervous, I did not swear at the obscene, but talked about it, but I distributed it with orders ... Smoked like a steam locomotive.
And now I work among the engineering staff. Well, such a “nervous” job for them - what they call "everything was gone" causes me to be bewildered - "what's the problem?", And laughter. Boring, quit smoking due to lack of nervous tension, adrenaline is very lacking.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Alex-a832

adrenaline is very lacking.

listen to gdp ... smoke and drink ..

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: Alex-a832

adrenaline is very lacking.

listen to gdp ... smoke and drink ..

Just on GDP and blame for the decline in adrenaline. In the 90s and 00s (by inertia), there were disproportionately more reasons for a nervous strain. By the way, I also almost completely stopped drinking, like most of my former colleagues - a trend, however ...

[Fitratovich]

And they continue to bend their line. It is not clear why the GDP pulled back this gang for itself? Is the people testing for strength?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Fitratovich

Does the people test their strength?

No... I would say tolerance. Hotz find out how much terpils can endure ...

[tap]

Do not be a child ... Holy naivety. By the way, who pulled whom?

[Dormidont]

For the Cabinet, you can raise the retirement age of years to 90-95.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dormidont

For the Cabinet, you can raise the retirement age of years to 90-95.

Yes, they, if the Government building burns down, they will come to the ashes for another forty years ... They will be happy with these upgrades ... They can’t imagine life in order to live and not to control anyone, not to command anyone ...

[BecmepH]

Quote: Dormidont

For the Cabinet, you can raise the retirement age of years to 90-95.

So they raise for themselves

[Old Horseradish]

You live too long, you need to raise your retirement age. Of course, I apologize, but maybe it's such a normal genocide. We don’t have any money. Well, you hold on. But you can not hold on. We’ll not be upset.

[Guru]

Again, about the age of "Survival" they started talking, oh this is not good.

[lopvlad]

According to Medvedev, life expectancy (LIF) in Russia has reached 72 years

Well, this is only according to them, and in the cemetery the vast majority of new graves are men of 40-60 years old. If 20-30 years ago, a death from a stroke at the age of 30 years was something out of the ordinary, now a stroke at the age of 30 years will not surprise anyone.
When as many as 60% of men do not live up to 38 years of age (among women it is only 8%), raising the retirement age now to 65 years will actually mean that the majority of men who have been hunching their whole lives will not see
your retirement. Sense of hunchbacking, looking for a "white salary" deducting to a pension fund if you don't see your retirement as a result?
At the same time, the main problem of employment still emerges if the capitalist-employer does not favor workers after 45 years, and then in fact you need to hire a 60-year-old guaranteed sick person who has no working capacity.

[spectr]

We are slowly not intrusively transferred to the Chinese model.

[albert]

Quote: spectr

We are slowly not intrusively transferred to the Chinese model.

If only. More likely to African

[Ross xnumx]

And I am for the retirement age in the government for men - 60 years, women - 55 ... For "non-celery" and "perennial grassy plant of the family Cabbage
ny "
to exhort the eyes of the people and shake relics in public. Give people a break from you ...

[AUL]

And so no more days in the civil service! Reached age - and retired, and the average in the country!

[Enoch]

Raise the power of those who hold it, tea will not be overworked, and people will not live up to your pension, especially men. First of all, to raise those who shout about it the most.

[thinker]

So already raised, from January 1, 2017

The law provides for a phased increase, annually for six months, up to 65 years for men and up to 63 years for women retirement age, giving the right to assign and pay an old-age insurance pension for persons holding state and municipal posts.

http://tass.ru/ekonomika/3910569

More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/ekonomika/3910569

[Servisinzhener]

In general, I do not care about the current changes in the pension system, calculation methods and age. Because if I live to even the current retirement age, then all this rubbish of the pension system will be completely different. And all these funded parts, co-financing, points, will interest only students of economic or sociological specialties. Well maybe historians.

[GRIGORIY76]

But the president believes that it is necessary to increase. There is nothing to rock the boat, it has a mandate of 77 percent of the population, unprecedented support.

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Now I know for sure - the more you swear at work, the sooner they will let you retire ...
Altona, if you weren’t, you would have to come up with

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I’m saying that you’ve never worked with people. Imagine yourself in the place of a master who has 20 people under his command. Imagine the PDO chief, to whom the bosses always replay the plan and who urgently need to give out another product instead of one product and he has a list of thousands in three different nomenclatures in order to release the product. This is not boorish for you to post here. And I know a lot of people who, after such a job in retirement, discarded their skates a year later.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

I’m saying that you’ve never worked with people.

About the spider - I did not understand.
About people - before the platoon of programmers, I had subordinates, mostly Indians, (censorship).
Moreover, the project was worth some lyam greens the survival of the company, and tearing it off ... was more expensive for itself, in short.
True, I was much younger then.

Quote: Altona

This is not boorish for you to post here

Move away from the mirror, break - cut yourself.

Quote: Altona

I know a lot of people who, after such a job in retirement, skated a year later

I know a lot of different people. And such, including. So what?

[Fedoslov]

Putin’s nuclear electorate (and this is a significant part of people of pre-retirement age) voted for their money to flow into the pockets of oligarchs ...
Every nation deserves its rulers!

[Altona]

Quote: Alex-a832

And now I work among the engineering staff. Well, such a “nervous” job for them - what they call "everything was gone" causes me to be bewildered - "what's the problem?", And laughter. Boring, quit smoking due to lack of nervous tension, adrenaline is very lacking.

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Come on? Try to master a new product. Then pick up a snap on it. Then organize the supply and all this with the help of a couple of people, and not a large staff. Teach the brigade from those people who are, and not from specialists. I guarantee that I have a smoke too. And at the same time you will be severely constrained in financial resources.

[Vladivostok1969]

With such a life is not something to smoke. Drink. I know for myself. The most nervous work with people.

[Altona]

Quote: lopvlad

At the same time, the main problem of employment still emerges if the capitalist-employer does not favor workers after 45 years, and then in fact you need to hire a 60-year-old guaranteed sick person who has no working capacity.

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The fashionable Head hunters now, instead of totalitarian personnel officers, say that after 40 years, a person says that motivation to work decreases.

[Denis Obukhov]

6% of House No. 6 agree with an increase in the retirement age.

[albert]

And these 6% are members of our government

[Whowhy]

What is the point of raising the retirement age if you aren’t getting anywhere after 45? This means cynically dooming starvation to a huge number of people.
Let them then adopt a really effective law that provides decent work for people after 45 years and pay the country's average salary, if for some reason it is not possible to provide such work.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: whowhy

What is the point of raising the retirement age if you aren’t getting anywhere after 45?

Ahem ... I'm 56, a year ago, changed jobs. More precisely, found. Searched, yes, for two years. But work is not a janitor, and the place is not the first one that came across.
I'm fastidious

Quote: whowhy

Let them then adopt a really valid law that provides decent work for people after 45 years and pay the country's average salary

If you are able to work and are in demand, you will work. And "pay average" for the fact that you go to work and there, ahem, get tired, no one else will ever be.
And it is right

[Whowhy]

Well, well, only the mountains are cooler .... Everywhere, in all the job advertisements they write "till 45 years old ...

[Vadim237]

And after 45 years, you need to think how to work for yourself - and not for someone else.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

after 45 years you have to think

Then I agree with you. Up to 45, it is also, incidentally, useful.

[Alex Justice]

My pension will be at 67. I think this is right. Who was born later will go to 68, etc.

[Ivan Tarava]

There is less and less money in the country, so raising the retirement age is a matter of the near future. Soon, the state will simply take away all the income of citizens and simply give out food in such quantity that the person would not die, but could continue to carry out his work.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Ivan Tarava

Less and less money in the country

money in the country is immeasurable, only this money is used to support billionaires and oligarchs, as well as the excess profit from the sale of natural resources.
If during the USSR the excess profits from the sale of oil and gas all 100% went to the budget, now only 13% will go to the budget.
It is unnecessary for me to fill in fairy tales about China, since it is impossible to pay pensions for such a population as there (one and a half billion people) and the lack of pension resources.

Quote: Ivan Tarava

Soon, the state will simply take away all the income of citizens and simply give out food in such quantity so that a person does not die

But why does it need such a state and how does it differ from slavery?

[Tektor]

Before raising the retirement age, you need to calculate what benefits the pension fund can get from such a "structural maneuver." It turns out that it is scanty, and not now, but in the medium term. Approximately 4% savings in 24 years and beyond. Well, then why is this hemorrhoids? The question is purely political: increase - do not increase, the effect is minimal, and the level of confidence will fall.

[NG inform]

False statement of the question. There is no need for a pension fund to receive any kind of benefit. The general task is to make people stay productive longer, and real pensioners and people with disabilities would get many times more (optimizing their number, for example, by increasing the retirement period for women by 5 years, we will reduce the number of applicants for pension money by a quarter, and this a third increase the benefits of the really needy).

[lopvlad]

Quote: NG inform

and real pensioners and people with disabilities would receive many times more (by optimizing their number, for example, by raising the retirement period for women by 5 years, we will reduce the number of applicants for retirement money by a quarter, and this will increase benefits to those in need by a third).

such as you need to raise your retirement age to 75 years, and if you do not live out, then the money from which you paid all your life in the FIU will go to those who really need it, namely to retire officials.
To rejoice at the large size of the pension after a certain age does not make sense if you can not live to this age.

It's like a fairy tale about how a pop worker hired

"In a year I will pay one ruble, one hundred years one hundred rubles, you will become a rich woman."

[NG inform]

Russia has the lowest retirement age. This is abnormal and extremely difficult for the economy and the psyche of people. I understand that you do not pay taxes, otherwise you would not offer to increase them.

[lopvlad]

Quote: NG inform

I understand that you do not pay taxes, otherwise you would not offer to increase them.

Russia is the only capitalist country where the billionaire and the one working for the minimum wage pay the same taxes of 13%.
You are probably an oligarch for whom a pension does not matter since he can quit working when he wants. For an ordinary person, retirement is the only source of survival
when you don’t have the strength to work, well-deserved rest. And this rest should not be in the cemetery under the tombstone, but you should receive the pension and not the officials of the pension fund. This is your money and from your salary it is transferred to the Pension Fund every month all the years while you you work.
I believe that all the money that a person transferred to a pension fund but did not live up to receiving a pension should be given to his heirs. Maybe then the state will change its attitude towards pensioners and they will finally be treated normally and not rejoice that there is little surviving before the set retirement time and their money can be divided.

[NG inform]

When I hear that "Russia is the only one" or "all over the world" I understand that a person has never been anywhere and does not know anything.
> For an ordinary person, pension is the only source of survival
What kind of nonsense? For an ordinary person, the main source of survival is his income / salary.
> when there is no strength to work
Ok, I don’t offer to work after 65. And before that - you need to plow, and not sit on my neck, there is so little space.
> the person transferred to the pension fund
Would be ashamed. You do not understand the most basic things. In a civilized society, it is not customary to speak out on topics that you don’t understand.
> pensions must be issued to his heirs
Pensions are not accumulated when a working person contributes to a pension fund - in the same year money is distributed among current pensioners. There is nothing to give, and it makes no sense.

[lopvlad]

Quote: NG inform

What kind of nonsense?

this is nonsense with you. And for us, for an ordinary person who has retired, this same pension is the only source of income.

Quote: NG inform

Ok, I do not suggest working after 65

you are our benefactor, so work up to 65, and we ourselves will figure out how to live.
Although I suspect that you are from a cohort of speculators (those who take goods cheaper and sell two, three times more expensive and require that they be called entrepreneurs).
Such entrepreneurs will not disappear, and others will come to the place of some gypsies.

Quote: NG inform

you need to plow, and not sit on my neck, there is so little space.

in a capitalist state with a flat tax rate of 13%, only your family and relatives can sit on your neck, but not anyone else.
Well, if you are, the more you earned, the higher the percentage of tax you unfastened in the state treasury, then you could safely stutter about it and this is nonsense.
In general, even if you paid a larger percentage of the tax, I would not be able to sit on your neck, since those who have already reached retirement age and receive a pension are sitting on the neck of working people.

Quote: NG inform

Pensions are not accumulated when a working person contributes to a pension fund - in the same year money is distributed among current pensioners.

all right. Your earned money goes to retirees of current pensioners and to pay money to you on retirement the money of employees is deducted to you.
Attention is the question: Where does the money deducted by workers on your pension go if you stupidly died, because regardless of whether you are alive or not, working people are deducted to a pension fund?
That's right, the pension fund and the state will stupidly assign this money to you.

The purpose of introducing pension contributions is that the state takes money from you now to give it to you later when you are unable to work. The FIU calculates the age of 18 years (78 years) until this age you should have enough of your pension contributions to pay you a pension without climbing to contributions of other payers and without making a deficit in the accounts of the FIU.
That is, due to the fact that in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kazan and other large cities, pensioners began to live longer, the FIU does not have enough money to pay pensions, the government raises the retirement age and the hard worker must work at the plant for 5 years more.

[82т11]

Instead of working, the government imitates it (

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

About people - before the platoon of programmers, I had subordinates, mostly Indians, (censorship).

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So what? Before the platoon, I had untrained workers who needed to be taught, shown, and told how to assemble a semi-trailer from scratch. In which there is welding, and pneumatics, and electronics (ABS, TEBS), and hydraulics for lifting something or making a turn. And people need to show literally a lot. And there is programming, imagine laser or plasma cutting with CNC, lathes. And imagine, if you still need to do the axis? Let them be simple, let’s say. And you’ll even buy a drum-and-hub group. The same thing in general in the engineering industry. Many enterprises that carry out the final assembly and make a complex product, as they say now with “high added value”, do not always thrive, not everyone’s Putin’s friend Kostin pays money for development like the Tver factory, where Putin arrived before the elections, for example, UVZ. So your indoprogrammers are not the worst option, I don’t know what kind of IT product you released there.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

I don’t know what IT product you released there

I note - you don’t know much at all, but rarely talk about it. I am surprised

Quote: Altona

... Putin's friend Kostin throws money into development as a Tver factory ...

Demagogy again? Well, you do not have real information on financing "the same UVZ, for example." And you cannot have it

Quote: Altona

Before platoon, I had untrained workers who needed to be taught, shown, and told how to assemble a semi-trailer from scratch

You see ... amiable:
- the semitrailer is, of course, cool
- sorting through the ERP system (very old, you don’t have any OOP) regarding the transition to the Euro compared to your semi-trailer - this is complete garbage, of course.
- a lot of people really participated in this, including up to three dozen Indians from Bangalore ... who think that they can do something ... br-rrrr
- At the same time, I was responsible for the Currency Engine, that is, the very crap that was supposed to chew on the Euro. And also because the system as a whole will work no worse than it worked before. And also for the converter for switching to a new version of the system (it was there that the Indians grazed).
Here is such garbage

[Shelest2000]

according to its results, 6% of respondents consider the initiative to raise the retirement age to be correct.
I wonder who are these people who support the idea?

Yes, we see and hear them every day. The same for 18 years. They all think about the people, about Russia ...

[NG inform]

Reducing the retirement age is nonsense beyond the reasonable. Now there are 42 million pensioners in the country, this is a paragraph. 55 years is not the age when a person becomes non-functional, nowhere is there such a low retirement age. Such a low retirement age not only puts pressure on young people and the economy, but also deprives people of age of motivation, which reduces the average life expectancy.

[tank64rus]

The question is one. As they work in our government, they can work up to 75 as notaries. after all, none of the notaries has not protested this age bar. Why questions for naive children. There are all other judges, prosecutors, etc. etc. But the miner with the pickaxe should work on questions and questions.