Pashinyan offers talks on Karabakh. Azerbaijan's answer

Baku is ready for negotiations on the settlement of the Karabakh conflict, but calls on the new political leadership of Armenia "not to repeat the mistakes of their predecessors," reports RIA News statement by the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic Hikmet Hajiyev.

On May 8, the Armenian parliament elected Nikolai Pashinyan as prime minister. Before his election, he declared his readiness to negotiate with Azerbaijan on the settlement of the Karabakh conflict, but on condition that representatives of the Nagorny Karabakh Republic itself take part in them.

We still hope that the new political leadership of Armenia will not repeat the mistakes of its predecessors, will pursue a healthy policy and will try to create civilized relations for peaceful coexistence with its neighbors,

said Hajiyev.

According to him, “the settlement of the conflict will serve to ensure lasting peace and security in the region, creating opportunities for multilateral regional cooperation, which, first of all, will be used by the Armenian people.”

So the ball on the field of the Armenian side and you should not reinvent the wheel. Once again I want to stress that Azerbaijan is fully prepared for substantive negotiations mediated by the co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group on the basis of the existing agenda for the earliest possible resolution of the conflict,

stressed the representative of the Ministry.

Recall, negotiations on the peaceful settlement of the conflict in the framework of the OSCE Minsk Group have been conducted since 1992. No major decisions have yet been taken.

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[210ox]

And what can this Pashinyan offer Azerbaijan except to negotiate?

[Major Yurik]

Quote: 210ox

And what can this Pashinyan offer Azerbaijan except to negotiate?

To elect the President of Azerbaijan through an areal choice with songs and dances! Well, with such a "president" he has something to talk about about anything, such as a soul mate!

[maxim947]

by areal selection with songs and dances!

Therefore, the Azerbaijani response is rather arrogant, they say that everything is clear to us - the word belongs to Armenia

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: maxim947

Azerbaijani response is rather arrogant

The answer is actually predictable. For there is nothing to offer to the political bankrupt!

[Evdokim]

Quote: Major Yurik

To elect the President of Azerbaijan through an areal choice with songs and dances! Well, with such a "president" he has something to talk about

For example, what: What they will sing. What to dance.

[zugunder12]

Quote: Major Yurik

Quote: 210ox

And what can this Pashinyan offer Azerbaijan except to negotiate?

To elect the President of Azerbaijan through an areal choice with songs and dances! Well, with such a "president" he has something to talk about about anything, such as a soul mate!

And what about negotiations with Aliyev, calling for the "return" of the ancient Azerbaijani lands - Yerevan and Sevan? If you surrender Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, then no one guarantees that the Azerbaijani dictator will not unleash the genocide of the Karabakh people there. 5-6 years ago, MGIMO graduate made such statements to himself he didn’t allow. The result of the incompetent policy of the former leadership of Armenia (they themselves come from Karabakh) and the weakening of the Armenian Armed Forces and encourages the Azerbaijani leadership to make such statements. After the adoption of the new Electoral Law, new elections will be held in Armenia and a new government will be formed. elections are just around the corner; everyone in Armenia considers this government and parliament as temporary.

[Servisinzhener]

I see no reason in such negotiations. And the proposals for their implementation are just populist chatter. In style, I promised a resolution to the conflict, look, I started to do it. The pointlessness is that Azerbaijan will consider everything but the surrender of Karabakh to be a mistake.

[avt]

Quote: Zugunder12

After the adoption of the new Electoral Law, new elections will be held in Armenia and a new government will be formed. You do not hesitate - new elections are just around the corner, everyone in Armenia considers this government and parliament as temporary

Thank! Have fun in the morning! Now gather again in the square and tell Pashinyan all this.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: avt

Thank! Have fun in the morning!

This is called the Will-manifestation of the People, which is so lacking for wide layers of Russians!

[avt]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

It is called

OCHLOCRACY. Which, thank God, we drove in 1993. followed by the shooting of the rebel, de jure after the EBN referendum - “Yes, yes, no yes.” And before, well, in Veliky Novgorod it was called WILD. That NEAR has nothing to do with

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

The will of the People

carried out in held states on the basis of adopted laws on elections to government bodies.

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

which is so lacking for wide layers of Russians!

We simply don’t have so many animals running freely through the streets without muzzles - banderos banderlogus vulgaris (ordinary), jumping for any reason with shouts - ,, We are the greatest people! All the jungle are afraid of us! "Wai me! Want to surpass? Wellcome that hal, but without us. What else can I wish for you there? Well, only more of yours

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

The will of the People

in both hands. This is your country and have it as you like in any kind of perversions, and call it what you want your perversions, even

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

The will of the People

We’ll survive with God's help and our own mind, and you’re talking about

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

, which is so lacking for wide layers of Russians

envy silently. Without you, we will figure out what is missing and what is missing. That's how you get used to the idea - Russia is a sovereign state.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: avt

Russia is a sovereign state

You are sure?

Quote: avt

envy silently

What would it be? And to whom?

Quote: avt

Are we like

Who is this, We ?! The bunch of oligarchs that put the Great People on the brink of survival?

Quote: avt

in any kind of perversions

I am sorry, you are purely human. For you do not have the concept of legitimate indignation of the People with your position, you dare to compare it with sexual perversion. Read Gandhi, I assure you you will learn a lot of useful things for yourself. And most importantly, you will stop comparing the People’s protest movement with sexual perversions. World To your house!

[avt]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

You are sure?

Is the tail not wagging the dog? I’m sure, as well as in the absence of some kind of “equal rights”, which the former Soviet republics DEMAND FOR from Russia, it’s direct on the principle - pour a glass, and go on .... Again - the tail does not wag the dog.

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

What would it be? And to whom?

Wei uh-uh! Well, at least to their Karapetyans, raising money by the way in Russia, which is exactly what you are doing in Yerevan and what EVERYTHING has been convinced of the reality given to the sensation.

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Who are we?

Why do you need to know what you are not supposed to know? Engage in your Armenia, which you really put on the fake set level, but don’t bother with us. And pray God that the GDP called your new, future agent of the Kremlin, well, this is from the experience of the Ruins , Yes, I did not give in this way immediately convert to the discharge of fact state.

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Read Gandhi, I assure you will learn a lot of useful things for yourself.

He read the quote from the campaign, no more, well, take the labor to analyze his life path as well, and not refined, but together with his associates, Chandra Boss, Gandhi, Juna. Well then, aaaa really

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

many useful for myself

And finally, take my word for it, it’s personally to me deeply violet what you and your state will do there. It is YOURS and all. Yes, and I would like, again, without jokes and ruffling, wish the same

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Peace to your house!

BUT, somehow I can’t believe it, just like I actually wrote something similar on the website back in 2013, not shy by the way in expressions, then to website visitors from Ukraine. In the same way, they clicked on

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

For you have absolutely no concept, the legitimate indignation of the People with your position, you dare to compare it with sexual perversion.

in its own way, in Velikoukr.
Well ? Just don’t have to soar my brain, which, unlike the Sumerians, claiming that everything did not come from Adam and Eve, but from Taras and Galya and tse, they shook knowledge of them from them, saying that everything was all right not at all, you are the real q, Artanyans.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: avt

Wei uh-uh!

Forgive me if you can. No one is perfect. So, no matter how you aspire to the Jews, you are up to them, as I am to Kim Jong-un.

Quote: avt

Well, at least to their Karapets, raising money by the way in Russia

He is not Mine, and the share is unfastened by the Russian corrupt officials whom you are so zealously defending.

Quote: avt

what you actually do in Yerevan

Personally, I raise my Baku rubles in USA! By the way, not bad, which is what I wish for you. But you are a Patriot, so for the sake of pathos, throw out an emotional impression (I would be grateful if you specify where? When?. Money is not superfluous.

Quote: avt

Why do you need to know what you are not supposed to know?

So I understand you, rhetorical?

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Take care of your Armenia,

I will reveal the secret of the open door! In the wonderful Country of Armenia! Wonderful People live Armenians who are such generators of Brilliant Thoughts. What some old fellow because of the puddle He does not Decree!

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Chandra Boss

So your country has worthy comparisons both to the vlasov vskid ...!

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it’s deeply purple for me that you and your state will do it

Cunningly, Like Patriot and all the same, what's going on in the soft underbelly of Russia (phraseological turn of speech, which is applicable as an example: The soft underbelly of Europe "Balkans") You have practically no allies, only fellow travelers!

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discharge fak state.

In the Great and the Mighty there is a wonderful definition of this overseas phrase. Bullshit !!! Advice, do not chase overseas words to be in Trend (in demand)! Use your wonderful language. Personally, I am proud of modest knowledge!

Quote: avt

and ce knowledge shook from them the elders,

My dear be affectionate, enlighten the old man, ashamed to admit, but do not speak, this language.

[avt]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

. So, no matter how you aspire to the Jews, you are up to them, as I am to Kim Jong-un.

Or maybe Azochenway? Or, as someone said in Armenia, only the descendants of those Jews then remained who your king and families invited? Well, like Mykola, it’s not like Pashinyants, although - you know better

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

He is not Mine, and the share is unfastened by the Russian corrupt officials whom you are so zealously defending.

And candelbrom for cheating? Well, ka reference WHERE and WHEN Az sinful defended with the word repelled on the clave here on the site? So don’t sculpt YOUR thoughts on me, as you yourself rich in them.

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

What kind of an old fart because of a puddle? He’s not a decree!

Az sinful for Sevan does not live and generally more than once or twice here on the site wrote folk wisdom - ,, Fools teaches-only to spoil "and strongly adheres to this postulate, which I wrote to you about

Quote: avt

And finally, take my word for it, it’s personally to me deeply violet what you and your state will do there. It is YOURS and all.

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Dissemble, How to Patriot and anyway what is happening in the soft underbelly of Russia (

Megalomania ,, adnaka "!

Quote: avt

the tail does not wag the dog

And here

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

soft underbelly

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

You have practically no allies, only fellow travelers!

WE HAVE TWO faithful allies - our Army and Navy, all the others, because they are afraid of our vastness, will take hold at any convenient moment.

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Advice, do not chase overseas words to be in Trend (in demand)! Use your wonderful language. Personally, I am proud in modest knowledge!

But because Kolya Taraskin is a young isho. And then Kolya Taraskin does not know the six rules of Gleb Zheglov.

Or rather the Site, here, study them at your leisure and find out that there is a number 5 near the avatar. He wrote, more than once or twice.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

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don't sculpt me

Along the way, Humpbacked’s life blinded you. To see that you are from a galaxy of users to whom impunity gives courage. In communication with the opponent gives confidence to the Distance.

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Megalomania

A statement of the Fact, existence and centuries-old struggle of My People, which some cannot boast of. In the absence of such a thing!

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faithful ally - our Army and Navy

The army is not the same, and the Fleet is not the same. Yes, and there is no such country with such an Emperor.

[Monarchist]

avt, Ter-Odiyanets responded well: “there simply aren’t so many animals running freely along the streets without muzzles” .. What happened in Yerevan somehow reminds me of April 2014 in Kiev. Yes, our leader is not the best person, but not the most stupid and bad, in international chess he plays at least at the level of ms, and that means a lot. Yes, many of us are not thrilled, to put it mildly, from economic well-being, but Satan shovels my fields if ordinary Armenians or Ukrainians do not envy us.
Odiyanets is now intoxicated by Pashinyan’s victory and imagines that it’s a “triumph of democracy”: the street won the Palace tomorrow, and maybe there will be “milk rivers and jelly banks” earlier and drink for free! Hurray to Pashinyan! And I don’t believe in a “wizard on a blue helicopter” to “show a movie for free and leave 500 popsicles,” I’m so harmful, but if Pashinyan doesn’t want to show a movie for free, or vice versa, he starts to spin such a movie. “Mama Do not Cry” then “street” costs: “Atu Pashinyan!”.
In any case, I am glad that not in Yerevan, but in Russia

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

You can’t imagine the pleasure you brought to the old man, distorting My Surname. Having mocked and provoking, you didn’t make Her less significant. Unlike some users (I do not mean you at all!) I can rightfully boast about My Ancestors, Myself. For in my Kind there are no renegades, traders, lovers of Hawthorn!
PS With this post, I have achieved the main thing. All arrows of criticism, which I sought, achieved the Goal !!!

[avt]

Quote: Monarchist

What happened in Yerevan somehow reminds me of April 2014 in Kiev.

As Kiev already wrote, BUT is not 2014, but rather the “Waving” of 2004. One-on-one with voting BEFORE necessary, announced before the election by Bush junior result.

Quote: Monarchist

now intoxicated by the victory of Pashinyan and imagines that here it is "the triumph of democracy":

Well, if he really sincerely thinks so (and we can’t check either Celsius in grams or GMT in degrees ) So then

The drunken air of freedom played a cruel joke with Professor Pleischner

Actually, we have already seen this in Russia, exactly in the GKChP operetta, well, when the late Shebarshin practically refused to arrest the EBN and his airplane was planted in Kubinka, and not where the group was waiting for him, but “A” guarded him, but when he ignored Kryuchkov’s order to storm And whatever would later be said - Lebed and Karpukhin then seemed, they would have obeyed the order. Moreover, the same Lebed entered Baku hard with shooting and real corpses. But here I heard Yuryev on KP - God forbid now to take the Grachevs to action - to crush one regiment or two. Russia, without official legitimization, as in Suria, didn’t give in. If the Armenians voluntarily or unwittingly decided with their own hands that Armenia was cut off from Russia, then it’s their choice and their responsibility, all.

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free through the streets without muzzles of animals - banderos banderlogus vulgaris (ordinary)

To sincerely believing in everything good, well, just like here, those who yelled - ,, Boris! Fight! "They have grown enough not frightened idiots-aliens who do not know that there are 90s," dashing ", and for Naina Iosifovna -" saints " Let them themselves accept it if they don’t believe the word.

[rbz05]

Judging by Armenia, this is the will of the Kozlov gang. Try to block the roads of liberals from us ... I’ll tear like an ace heating pad

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

So what could be the outcome of the negotiations ?! Azerbaijan wants to return both Karabakh and the surrounding areas that also left Armenia as a result of the war ... So what can Pashinyan offer for a settlement ?! He will take it and give it back, and while the Armenians come to their senses in Karabakh, there will already be the army and police of Azerbaijan ... And then you choose whom you want and Pashinyan spend the money earned over the hill ...

Well, let's say, an idealistic scenario - Armenia gave everything back, for which the Armenians fought and for which they died, and for this Azerbaijan has now become a friend of Armenia ... Then what ?! How will this affect the Armenian economy ?! Will you trade with Azerbaijan with what? What do they not have, what do you have ?! Yes, nothing like that ...

Will you also put up with the Turks, give the same land to them yours ?!

Well, of course it’s your business ... We are spectators ...

[Brut]

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He will take it and give it back, and while the Armenians come to their senses in Karabakh, the army and police of Azerbaijan will already be ...

Nobody will give anything back. Would you at least read his statements about this issue?

[Monarchist]

Kamrad Zugunder, of course I can’t decide for you, but it seems to me: Pashinyan’s statement smacks of concessions if not capitulation
Personally, I THINK: Pashenyan is "bleeding from the nose," but you need to lure the crowd with something and show that he is better than Sargsyan. Your economic well-being is deplorable, the Karabakh “knot” cannot be solved by force, and the people are tired of previous politicians. Maybe Pashenyan’s statement is ordinary populism, or maybe a veiled hint: give a loan and take a look that I don’t know Karabakh, but the following could be: "I don’t see and don’t hear what you are doing in Karabakh." So mnp appears from my couch

[Brut]

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Kamrad Zugunder, of course I can’t decide for you, but it seems to me: Pashinyan’s statement smacks of concessions if not capitulation

You are mistaken, but it is not your fault, because the title of the article "Pashinyan offers negotiations on Karabakh. Azerbaijan’s answer" and the entire article (without signature) are written so as to mislead readers.
"Pashinyan offers negotiations on Karabakh" - to whom does he offer?
“On May XNUMX, the Parliament of Armenia elected Nikol Pashinyan as Prime Minister. Before the election, he declared readiness to negotiate with Azerbaijan to resolve the Karabakh conflict, but on the condition that representatives of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic itself will take part in them. "
He "declared readiness to negotiate", he did not offer negotiations. This is a strong distortion of facts by a journalist without a name.

[Safevi]

There is no "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic." There are occupying Armenian troops there and separatists leaning on them. They do not conduct such negotiations. By the way, Pashinyan proposed a dialogue with Turkey. The answer was expected- "Turkey is ready to normalize relations with Armenia only after the liberation of the occupied Azerbaijani lands"

[zugunder12]

Quote: sefevi

There is no "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic." There are occupying Armenian troops there and separatists leaning on them. They do not conduct such negotiations. By the way, Pashinyan proposed a dialogue with Turkey. The answer was expected- "Turkey is ready to normalize relations with Armenia only after the liberation of the occupied Azerbaijani lands"

If you follow your logic, then you are separatists - separated from the Soviet Union. And the United States, as a separatist state, at one time separated from England.
And the fact that Turkey said so was predictable. No one in Armenia tears his hair because of the Turkish response.

[Lekxnumx]

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If you follow your logic, then you are separatists - separated from the Soviet Union. And the United States, as a separatist state, at one time separated from England.

Well, of course, hell was compared with a finger in Soviet times, the Az-Soviet Soviet Socialist Republic and their Armenian branches were legal, the USSR was a de jure union of such republics. And NKR autonomy as part of Az-nah, compare with Chechnya after the collapse of the USSR, they also how autonomy they wanted to secede from Russia, but they were returned to it by force. Because Chechnya de jure during the USSR was part of the Russian-Soviet federal socialist republic and not a separate republic like Az-en or Armenia.

[zugunder12]

So what if Nagorno-Karabakh was an autonomy within Azerbaijan. The Soviet government in the person of comrade M. Gorbachev passed a law according to which autonomous territories, regions and republics as part of union republics leaving the USSR could hold a referendum and withdraw from such of the union republic. Here and the NKR held such a referendum on its territory in strict accordance with the legislation of the USSR. Simply, none of the Azerbaijanis remembers this at the forum - it is not profitable for you.

[Lekxnumx]

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So what if Nagorno-Karabakh was an autonomy within Azerbaijan. The Soviet government in the person of comrade M. Gorbachev passed a law according to which autonomous territories, regions and republics as part of union republics leaving the USSR could hold a referendum and withdraw from such of the union republic. Here and the NKR held such a referendum on its territory in strict accordance with the legislation of the USSR. Simply, none of the Azerbaijanis remembers this at the forum - it is not profitable for you.

What law can I throw a link?
But I was not surprised by the goal of Gorbachev to ruin and inflict maximum damage on Soviet citizens, playing on national feelings.
Are we talking about de jure? Az-an-sky SSR declared independence on August 30, 1991. And the Armenians held a referendum in Karabakh on December 1991, 10. That is, at that time Gorbachev’s “law” had no legal force, since Az-an together with Karabakh already did not recognize itself as part of the USSR .Ferstein? You are cunning Armenians, but in front of me there is the Internet and good logic in my head.

[zugunder12]

I am too lazy to delve into the search for a law adopted during the USSR, but such a law was adopted.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This was not the goal of Gorbachev, but the goal of the West and the United States, and Gorbachev simply carried out their will, as it was corrupt ****** ....

[Yujanin]

The Government of the USSR in the person of Comrade M. Gorbachev passed a law according to which autonomous territories, regions and republics as part of Union republics leaving the USSR could hold a referendum and secede from such a Union Republic

Did your grandmother Khaikanush tell you this at night or do you share with the decree of this "law?"

[zugunder12]

Quote: Yujanin

The Government of the USSR in the person of Comrade M. Gorbachev passed a law according to which autonomous territories, regions and republics as part of Union republics leaving the USSR could hold a referendum and secede from such a Union Republic

Did your grandmother Khaikanush tell you this at night or do you share with the decree of this "law?"

Your grandmother Gulchetai told you about the transfer of Victory Day from May 9 to May 8 and the announcement of this date as a day of remembrance and sorrow. All of your links to the Caucasian Knot turned out to be fake, now the unappreciated Azerbaijani government BOT!

[Yujanin]

I can throw another link http://www.rusimperia.info/news/id32859.html

PySy I'm still waiting for a link about the Gorbachev resolution

[zugunder12]

Quote: Yujanin

I can throw another link http://www.rusimperia.info/news/id32859.html

PySy I'm still waiting for a link about the Gorbachev resolution

Wait. I’m having a break now, I have to continue working. I will find the law another time - now it’s not enough time.

[Yujanin]

Wait. I’m having a break now, I have to continue working. I will find the law another time - now it’s not enough time.

Sniff in the bushes?

[avt]

Quote: Yujanin

I can throw another link http://www.rusimperia.info/news/id32859.html

Well, actually this is not a source, let’s take it as an adult - an ORDER, and even a senior official, MUST be published in quite a STATE media, otherwise it cannot come into force de jure and state bodies can simply ignore it. OR you need a direct link to a video where the person involved says it on the camera, as his longing for life, wanting to bring to life the above mentioned way. Everything else ..... well, let’s say -interTrePation on the topic

[Yujanin]

Well, actually this is not a source, let’s take it for an adult - the DECREE, and even the highest official, MUST be published in quite a state media

You are not careful. My link refers to the consequences of Maidan.

[sogdy]

Quote: Yujanin

PySy I'm still waiting for a link about the Gorbachev resolution

I would like to hear the opinion of Baku Armenians at the forum.

[Yujanin]

I would like to hear the opinion of Baku Armenians at the forum.

According to my observations, the Baku Armenians curse the Miatsum people and dream of returning to Baku.

[icant007]

Do you want to hear Baku Russian?

[Brut]

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I can throw another link http://www.rusimperia.info/news/id32859.html

how many of these fake sites you have. And on the official website not a word about it. Your propaganda is increasingly losing quality.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Yujanin

Grandma Haikanush told you this at night.

I’ll answer you, in secret to the whole world! A certain part of the male sex of My People listens to what every movement catches every movement of Azerbaijan’s First Deputy Prime Minister Mehriban Khatun "Jacqueline Kennedy" Eva Perron (please do not confuse with the place of landing of the railway station ). And then the Warriors of the Army that put your Army in the position that you deserve, will rush to the radiant Khatun to personally witness this Khatun. And this, you guessed it, is fraught with Your own knowledge. What ?!

[Yujanin]

Baku Armenians come to Baku again

Baku Armenian: I want to return and live my days in Baku

[Yujanin]

The soldiers of the Army that put your Army in the position that you deserve will rush to the radiant Khatun to personally witness this Khatun. And this, you guessed it, is fraught with Your own knowledge. What ?!

In fact, the last time a kick in the back of the zinvors was very sonorous. If necessary, we can repeat.

[jjj]

Chechnya was released. But people wanted the caliphate. I had to wet in the outhouses

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

No, it was not people who wanted it, but radicals hungry for profit and power, it was not people who staged the genocide of the Russian population in Chechnya, after the Khasavyurt agreements, Kadyrov and a number of other real leaders of the people turned to Russia for help and fought on the side of federal forces, which saved many lives Russian soldiers - this is for those who doubt that Kadyrov was given the Hero of Russia undeservedly ...

[icant007]

The position of commentators from Armenia, considering Karabakh as a separate party in the negotiations, is not clear. Armenia really fought for Karabakh, and all the way the slogans were that it was Armenian land. And where is the vaunted Armenian solidarity? Responsibility should be borne by Armenia, not NKR.

[garnik]

The main burden of the war fell on the shoulders of Ar.Tsakhtsev. Volunteers came from Armenia on a rotational basis. And the most combat-ready units consisted of local ones.

[icant007]

That is, in other words, is Karabakh itself rebelling for separation from Azerbaijan and Armenia has nothing to do with it? At the same time, was NKAO not going to be part of Armenia?

[sogdy]

Quote: icant007

is Karabakh itself rebelling for separation from Azerbaijan and Armenia has nothing to do with it? At the same time, was NKAO not going to be part of Armenia?

Yes. Are you surprised?
In response to the Baku pogroms, pogroms in Yerevan took place. And only after that the movement began in Karabakh, in which there are many mixed families.

[icant007]

A very simplified view of the problem.

[sogdy]

But it corresponds to the events.
Of course, there must be many reasons for third-party help to materialize.

[icant007]

And it does not correspond to events.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, it would be logical that there should have been more local ones in self-defense units. otherwise it would be the capture of Karabakh by Armenia ...
That is, now Karabakh is no longer Armenia and non-Armenians live there ?!

It's like in a song some grandfather and father fought, and sons and grandchildren just gave ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And why did Pashinyan’s first problem suddenly become Karabakh ?! When Armenians were killed there, he didn’t want to go there as far as I know ...

[Brut]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And why did Pashinyan’s first problem suddenly become Karabakh ?! When Armenians were killed there, he didn’t want to go there. as far as I know...

How do you know that? Share your sources.

[Weyland]

Quote: sefevi

There is no "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic." There are occupying Armenian troops there and separatists leaning on them.

"There is no" republic of Azerbaijan. "There are occupying Turkish troops there and separatists leaning on them." It is curious if such a statement is made ... no, not even Russia, but Iran, what howl will rise?

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: sefevi

There is no "Nagorno-Karabakh Republic."

You’ll forgive the old man for teaching the "enlightened" "patriots" of "Azerbaijan" But, We are already worth it in 3 hundred km. Karl !!! From the capital. (The figurative turn of speech, which I never thought would offend you! If, however, you got offended, I’m ready to apologize publicly!). And this is like Domokles Sword over criminals, in the hands of Azerbaijan.

[sabakina]

Quote: 210ox

And what can this Pashinyan offer Azerbaijan except to negotiate?

Dmitry, is that the main thing here? Conversations!

Conversations, conversations,
Word for word stretches.
Conversations will subside soon
Karabakh will remain.

[novel66]

when two parties claim the same territory - how can one agree?

[72jora72]

And what can this Pashinyan offer Azerbaijan except to negotiate?

Give them Artsakh

[Yujanin]

Give them Artsakh

There is no such territory under the given name. There is Karabakh. Please do not distort the geographical name!

[garnik]

There is no such territory under the given name. There is Karabakh. Please do not distort the geographical name!

Was and currently exists.

[Yujanin]

At the moment exist.

The correct definition.

[Weyland]

Quote: Yujanin

There is no such territory under the given name. There is Karabakh.

There is no territory called "Azerbaijan" north of Araks. There is Arran!

[Yujanin]

There is no territory called "Azerbaijan" north of Araks. There is Arran!

Well done, take a pie from the shelf!

[Brut]

Quote: Yujanin

Well done, take a pie from the shelf!

Again hallucinations?

[mgero]

Նեռվայնացա, սաղ սրանք պրոպագանդա են անում։ Նbed

[garnik]

I envy you, I’m not allowed to type without changing the name of the province of ancient Armenia.

[novel66]

your ass in support?

[Brut]

Quote: novel xnumx

your ass in support?

Rudeness is a manifestation of bad manners.

[novel66]

I also think so-so provision

[Brut]

Quote: novel xnumx

I also think so-so provision

then offer yours.

[novel66]

deal with the Azerbaijanis yourself, I'm an observer here

[Denis Obukhov]

People’s naivety in the hope that an honest and fair uncle will come over, solve all problems overnight, give everyone an elephant and a bag of money, and rule long and happily to the joy of the grateful people - periodically rolls over and marvels ... When there is no strong industry in the country and minerals, when she lives in almost a hostile environment, when her religion goes against the beliefs of the region, then the country has one way out - to stick to a strong partner and live under his umbrella ... not patriotic, but practical and vital ... otherwise they will either be devoured or they will eke out a miserable existence ...

[BZTM]

Who are you talking about now-
People’s naivety in the hope that an honest and fair uncle will come over, solve all problems overnight, give everyone an elephant and a bag of money, and rule long and happily to the joy of the grateful people - periodically rolls over and marvels ... When there is no strong industry in the country when she lives almost in a hostile environment,
I think this is not about Armenia .... This is about us .........

[Weyland]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

When a country has no strong industry and minerals,

Take an interest in the amount of copper and molybdenum in the bowels of Armenia

[icant007]

They also say there’s a little gold Especially in Karabakh

[Olezhek]

, will give everyone an elephant and a bag of money, and

Can I have a 2 bag of money ????

[Yujanin]

And what can this Pashinyan offer Azerbaijan except to negotiate?

Pashinyan is a pro-Western man. There is an installation from the USA. therefore, he will in every way torpedo negotiations. And the war will begin

Below I left a link regarding the prosperity of Pashinyan

“The first decree of the new Prime Minister of Armenia, Nikol Pashinyan, was the postponement of the Victory Day celebrations on May 8 and the renaming of the holiday as the Day of Sorrow and Reconciliation. The military leader explained his decision by saying that the Great Patriotic War was imposed on the Armenian people, expressly stating that“ it was not our war "... https://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/blogs/83772/posts/3298
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[Servisinzhener]

Sorrow is understandable, but trying on with whom? Although this is a fairly common position among individual representatives of those peoples to which the Germans did not have time to reach. But knowing the ideology of the Third Reich in the event of its victory, in a very short time in the controlled territories the issue of racial purity of the population would be completely resolved. With all the Germans inherent pedantry.

[Yujanin]

Sorrow is understandable, but trying on with whom?

According to Pashinyan, transferring Victory Day to May 8, Armenia “synchronizes national memory” with the countries of the European Union and “will take another step towards unity with the family of European peoples”.

“The surrender was signed on May 8th. The fact that the wounded pride of the Soviet leaders led to the appearance of another piece of paper the next day did not change the essence of the event - the whole of Europe and the whole world celebrate their victory over Nazism on May 8, and now Armenia is with them, ”Pashinyan explained.

[Siberian]

Cool: your victory over Nazism. In fact - the victory of the USSR over Nazi Europe

[Brut]

Page not found.

This is the answer for your link.

It’s too much to carry such a stupid lie. I understand that you need to work out your salary, but not so low.

[sogdy]

So what about May 9th?

Quote: Brut

It’s too much to carry such a stupid lie. I understand that you need to work out your salary, but not so low.

[Brut]

Quote: sogdy

So what about May 9th?

With us on May 9th, it was still a holiday. Even more than May 9, three holidays at once.

[Ren]

Quote: Yujanin

Nikola Pashinyan began the transfer of Victory Day celebrations to May 8 and the renaming of the holiday on the Day of Sorrow and Reconciliation.

May 8 losers grieve, and 9 MAY CELEBRATE WINNERS!

[Yujanin]

On May 8, the losers mourn, and on MAY 9 THE WINNERS CELEBRATE!

There is nothing to add. +

[garnik]

Impudent lie. Once again. May 9 in Armenia is a triple holiday. .

1. Victory Day 1949
2 Taking by storm Shushi.
3. The formation of the Ar.tsakh Armed Forces.
Caucasian Knot, your resource.

[icant007]

Stop, stop, stop. But after all, Ar.tsah is not Armenia. How can two Armenian holidays be connected with the Artsakh?
I will not say anything about Victory Day in 1949.

[Brut]

Quote: icant007

About Victory Day in 1949 keep silent.

This is your choice. I agree with him, keep silent.

[garnik]

1 Victory Day 1945

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: 210ox

And what can this Pashinyan offer Azerbaijan except to negotiate?

If any man is married to the woman the neighbor is longing for, then he has two choices: either to negotiate with this neighbor, if the neighbor is stronger than him, or to break the neighbor in such a way as to repel all his Wishlist.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: 210ox

And what can this Pashinyan offer Azerbaijan except to negotiate?

He will hand over Karabakh how to give. He already advocates visa-free travel between Armenia and the EU. In short, Armenia will go along the Ukkay path.

[Brut]

Quote: Nyrobsky

He will hand over Karabakh how to give. He already advocates visa-free travel between Armenia and the EU. In short, Armenia will go along the Ukkay path.

Wang?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Brut

Quote: Nyrobsky

He will hand over Karabakh how to give. He already advocates visa-free travel between Armenia and the EU. In short, Armenia will go along the Ukkay path.

Wang?

No, not Wang, not Nostradamus and not even Messing. There is no need to be clairvoyant. Your Pashinyan for Armenia will be almost like Poroshenko for Urkaina, only without torchlight processions. Under Serzhik, for you, GDP growth for 2017 amounted to 7,5% = 5,56 trillion drams (11,5 billion dollars), which is not a bad indicator for a country with a population of less than 3 million. Forget it. Now, Armenia, as well as Urkain, will be forced to break the e-ties with Russia. "Independent" Pashinyan has already consulted with US Deputy Secretary of State Wess Mitchell on foreign policy issues. Our “independent” Yeltsin also called Bush directly, after which the troubled time came and such a drop in GDP with the collapse of the economy that we are getting out to this day. But Russia, unlike Armenia, has at least resources. So Artak, don’t waste time here, and find out who is Vanga and who is Nostradamus - you need to run and change drams to dollars while the exchange rate is 1 American ruble at 500 and not at 5000 dram since hyper inflation with default will certainly visit you. Is the IMF ready to provide you its services? Do not say no. He is always ready to come to the aid of young democracies. It is he (the IMF) who later takes off his last pants from the one who used his services .. If you know, then cite as an example at least one country that, having received a leader in power with American money, suddenly shot violent economic growth and an improvement in living standards population. Do not know such a country? I do not know either.

[Brut]

Quote: Nyrobsky

"Independent" Pashinyan has already consulted with US Deputy Secretary of State Wess Mitchell on foreign policy issues.

And the same Pashinyan consulted with V. Putin.

I have such an impression that all that you wrote is your wishes to us, I will be glad to be wrong.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Now, Armenia, as well as Urkain, will be forced to break the e-ties with Russia.

Wait and see.

[Grits]

Wait and see.
Then it will be too late. It used to be necessary to think. When the State Department offered you a rogue without education, without management experience, without a program, without a team and without brains. And you all jumped together no worse than our castrolegol neighbors. Didn’t you have an example before your eyes? So the Ukrainians, unlike you, at least had a large part of intelligible adequate people. You all as one from happiness write boiling water, not including your brains at all. What a violent insanity of the nation. Now scoop shit with a full spoon. Live and see.

[Brut]

Quote: Gritsa

When the State Department offered you a rogue without education, without management experience, without a program, without a team and without brains.

I’m looking here at the place, looking, and I can’t find the ears of the State Department, but you already found it. share, kindly, facts, arguments. As one famous person said: "Names, appearances, addresses."
Just don’t need this “boiling water scripture”: without education, without management experience, without a program, without a team and without brains.
We had such (K. Karapetyan) with education, with experience, with a program, with a team, with brains (like), only he managed to fool his entire rating in one day, which really was.

[Bok tubres]

Repair shoes, for example ...

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: 210ox

And what can this Pashinyan offer to Azerbaijan

The cloudless rule of the Aliyev clan, more or less tolerable, the existence of the prestigious elite of Azerbaijan muzzled the freedom-loving peoples of Azerbaijan!

[Grandfather Makar]

They will hand over Karabakh and expel the Russians .. And then everything will begin on a new bloody path ..

[210ox]

Vitaly, stop vanging ... And God forbid that will come true ..

Quote: Ded-Makar

They will hand over Karabakh and expel the Russians .. And then everything will begin on a new bloody path ..

[bouncyhunter]

Hello Dima !

Quote: 210ox

God forbid, come true ..

The probability of such an outcome is very high, IMHO.

[novel66]

no, well, you’ll have to jump a little, and there Karabakh will leave for its native harbor

[Egorovich]

Pash, until Russia and Turkey agree among themselves on Karabakh, we will not see anything new. Pashinyan is a pawn.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Egorovich

until Russia and Turkey agree among themselves on Karabakh

I know this opinion. But something the parties are in no hurry to agree ...

[Egorovich]

It is believed that Karabakh receives wide autonomy within Azerbaijan, but a Russian military base will be created on its territory and Russian peacekeepers will be located on an ongoing basis.

[Yujanin]

It is believed that Karabakh receives wide autonomy within Azerbaijan, but a Russian military base will be created on its territory and Russian peacekeepers will be located on an ongoing basis.

All right. This is the scenario that Sarzhik refused.

Serzh Sargsyan does not see an opportunity to enter peacekeepers in Karabakh


Details: https://regnum.ru/news/2125666.html

[Egorovich]

Why is this scenario bad? Own army, own police, Armenia nearby, Russia nearby.

[Yujanin]

Why is this scenario bad? Own army, own police, Armenia nearby, Russia nearby

US diaspora interferes

[Bakht]

There are nuances. I advise you to read the Constitution of Armenia and reflect on what is written there.

[bouncyhunter]

This option is acceptable, but Armenia clearly does not want to abandon Karabakh.

[Yujanin]

This option is acceptable, but Armenia clearly does not want to abandon Karabakh.

Due to the Karabakh factor, blockade Armenia will very soon disappear from the map of the World. We do not mind. Let the process of "not peace and not war" continue on.

[Bakht]

I completely agree. My opinion is that there are two options for the development of events. Bad and very bad. Very bad is the war for Karabakh. The bad is the entry of Karabakh into Azerbaijan.
A good option for Azerbaijan is the liberation of 6 occupied regions and .... that's all. There is nothing more to negotiate about. Let it remain so. Armenia is in blockade and isolation. I like this option more.

[garnik]

Something like this, plus or minus 1 district, the agreement went serge, but yours needs everything at once. Only mutual concessions, although the Armenians have nothing to concede when the entire territory is under the control of Ar.tsakh. And without the recognition of Ar.Tsakh, things cannot move one iota forward.

[Bakht]

Levon Ter-Petrosyan agreed to such agreements. But yours replaced him right away. He removed the "Karabakh clan" led by Kocharyan and Sargsyan. So you have the wrong information. You need everything at once. Without the liberation of 6 districts, the case “will not advance one iota”
Do not put the cart in front of the horse.

[Bakht]

In a speech entitled "Peace, Reconciliation, Neighborhood": Levon Ter-Petrosyan called the Karabakh problem by the invisible part of the iceberg lying at the root of all the troubles of Armenia - the most difficult social situation, poverty of the population, mass emigration, lack of equipment of the army, illegal elections, lack of justice, violation of democracy and human rights. For him, the Karabakh problem is the preservation of the Karabakh status quo and development for another hundred years in the conditions of the blockade. Levon Ter-Petrosyan sees the solution to this problem in the return of five regions around Karabakh to Azerbaijan in exchange for guarantees of a referendum on self-determination in Nagorno-Karabakh, the outcome of which will be recognized in Baku. Levon Ter-Petrosyan said nothing about the date of the referendum, assuming that it could be held even after 50 years. The Azerbaijani and Turkish sides should open economic borders and guarantee the non-resumption of war with Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh.

As you can see, Sargsyan does not smell here.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Yujanin

blockade Armenia will very soon disappear from the map of the World.

Nothing surprising will happen. This applies to all artificial entities (like states) in the territory of the former USSR, the independent existence of which is only a short-term phenomenon.

[Egorovich]

As always, all the tops decide, and the people disentangle.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Egorovich

all the tops decide, and the people disentangle.

This is the saddest thing in stories of this kind ...

[cost 75]

Quote: Egorovich

It is believed that Karabakh receives wide autonomy within Azerbaijan, but a Russian military base will be created on its territory and Russian peacekeepers will be located on an ongoing basis.

Do we need this?

[Brut]

Quote: kos 75

Do we need this?

Here is the right question ..

[210ox]

Pash With the holiday, though it has passed! Yes, there is such a thing .. The centuries-old network of this "politician" and the former felon implies this.

Quote: bouncyhunter

Hello Dima !

Quote: 210ox

God forbid, come true ..

The probability of such an outcome is very high, IMHO.

[just exp]

well, they will not expel the Russians, because they are not there.
although if you're talking about a base, then yes, IMHO it’s there the first goal of mattresses.

[Safevi]

The first decree of the new Prime Minister of Armenia, Nikol Pashinyan, was the transfer of Victory Day to May 8 and the renaming of the holiday on the Day of Sorrow and Reconciliation, the cabinet’s press release reported.

“The last time Armenia celebrated the Victory Day imposed by the Soviet regime. It was not our war, but thousands and hundreds of thousands of Armenians perished, defending Stalin’s imperial interests in his battle with his former friends Nazi Germany, ”he said, commenting on the adoption of the bill.

According to Pashinyan, transferring Victory Day to May 8, Armenia “synchronizes the national memory” with the countries of the European Union and “will take another step towards unity with the family of European peoples”

[zugunder12]

Quote: sefevi

The first decree of the new Prime Minister of Armenia, Nikol Pashinyan, was the transfer of Victory Day to May 8 and the renaming of the holiday on the Day of Sorrow and Reconciliation, the cabinet’s press release reported.

“The last time Armenia celebrated the Victory Day imposed by the Soviet regime. It was not our war, but thousands and hundreds of thousands of Armenians perished, defending Stalin’s imperial interests in his battle with his former friends Nazi Germany, ”he said, commenting on the adoption of the bill.

According to Pashinyan, transferring Victory Day to May 8, Armenia “synchronizes the national memory” with the countries of the European Union and “will take another step towards unity with the family of European peoples”

In what mass media did you read such a dear "forum member", and even "quoted" the words of Pashinyan himself, which he did not utter from birth? Nikol Pashinyan is not such a primitive politician as you want to introduce him to the Russians. He will reform the country and not engage in cheap pseudo-effect populism. You, Azerbaijanis, are not lucky - a politician has come to power in Armenia, who enjoys a huge mandate of trust from his people. you once encountered such an Armenian politician - it was the first president of Armenia Levon Ter - Petrosyan in your first presidential term. Azerbaijanians, I hope, only have wonderful memories of him.

[Dmitry Voronov]

Well, why if an Azerbaijani is discussing a topic, he’s surely lying. Where did you distinguished read about the postponement on May 9 in Armenia. What was Pashinyan talking about! In your press? Everything is OK in Armenia on May 9th. 8th Victory Day and XNUMXth day of the capture of Shushi

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: sefevi

According to Pashinyan, transferring Victory Day to May 8, Armenia “synchronizes the national memory” with the countries of the European Union and “will take another step towards unity with the family of European peoples”

In fact, geographically and mentally, Armenia is an Asian country. Who in Europe wants to get married with Asians?

[Grits]

In fact, geographically and mentally, Armenia is an Asian country. Who in Europe wants to get married with Asians?
This is already a trend. Turkey and Israel consider themselves Europeans. One foot in Europe Georgia. Soon there will be Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, CA, UAE. From "ours" Kazakhs are ready to become Europeans. True, hardly any of their citizens of these countries will show on the map the border of Europe and Asia

[Servisinzhener]

Nowhere to take this step with such an environment as Armenia now has. Nowhere at all.

[keeper03]

No need to post fake news here!

[Brut]

Quote: sefevi

The first decree of the new Prime Minister of Armenia, Nikol Pashinyan, was the transfer of Victory Day to May 8 and the renaming of the holiday on the Day of Sorrow and Reconciliation, the cabinet’s press release reported.

Enough to carry a vile lie.

[Grits]

“The last time Armenia celebrated the Victory Day imposed by the Soviet regime. It was not our war, but thousands and hundreds of thousands of Armenians died, defending the imperial interests of Stalin in his battle with former friends - Nazi Germany. ”
Only for these words did he turn away all the Russians from himself and they now agree to strangle him.

[Brut]

Quote: Gritsa

Only for these words did he turn away all the Russians from himself and they now agree to strangle him.

One put up a fake, dozens disproved it, but for some reason you decided to believe the fake. Why?

[garnik]

They will hand over Karabakh and expel the Russians .. And then everything will begin on a new bloody path ..

Ar.tsakh was not returned in order to surrender. And there is no cause for concern about the expulsion of Russians, and never has been, and never will be, it’s not worth writing provocative comments.

[avt]

Quote: Ded-Makar

They will hand over Karabakh and expel the Russians .. And then everything will begin on a new bloody path ..

The main thing is the sequence, let it first

Quote: Ded-Makar

Russians will be kicked out

Well, the bases will be closed, then

Quote: Ded-Makar

everything will begin on a new bloody path ..

и

Quote: Ded-Makar

They will hand over Karabakh

If Azerbaijanis are smart enough, do not rush and drive Aliyev, tear the green fruit.

[Servisinzhener]

I hope he doesn’t. After that, Armenia as a state can very quickly cease to exist. You don’t have to go far for an example; the Kurdish freemen in Afrin recently ended.

[Brut]

Quote: Ded-Makar

They will hand over Karabakh and expel the Russians .. And then everything will begin on a new bloody path ..

Do you really want this? Where are such conclusions from?

[Grits]

Do you really want this? Where are such conclusions from?
Unlike you, we have learned to draw conclusions. We have before our eyes examples of some of the former Soviet republics and how we know this. Unfortunately, you have not understood this yet and you have not learned to draw conclusions from recent history.

[Dezinto]

We still hope that the new political leadership of Armenia will not repeat the mistakes of its predecessors, will pursue a healthy policy and will try to create civilized relations for peaceful coexistence with its neighbors,

Yeah, of course! for that, everything was started! To coexist peacefully with neighbors! yeah!

By the way, on May 9, by the first decree, it was moved to the 8th, already on the whole beaten track they started to drive ....

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: DEZINTO

Yeah, of course! for that, everything was started! To coexist peacefully with neighbors! yeah!
By the way, on May 9, by the first decree, it was postponed to the 8th, already on the whole beaten track they started to drive ...

Where?

[Dezinto]

May by the first decree moved to the 8th

Where?

It’s my fault that I was thrown into the stuffing, yesterday I read it today, they have already been erased, oh, these Internet.

[zugunder12]

Quote: DEZINTO

We still hope that the new political leadership of Armenia will not repeat the mistakes of its predecessors, will pursue a healthy policy and will try to create civilized relations for peaceful coexistence with its neighbors,

Yeah, of course! for that, everything was started! To coexist peacefully with neighbors! yeah!

By the way, on May 9, by the first decree, it was moved to the 8th, already on the whole beaten track they started to drive ....

This is the first time I hear from you about this decree. The Armenian media are silent about this - you see, you are a more informed dude than all the media in Armenia. Do not engage in provocations.

[Dezinto]

Do not engage in provocations

I don’t do it. I’m telling myself I was addicted. Last night on the phone I read naively believed and was indignant. I remembered. And now I checked it. - Lies! Throws they work this way.
Around the whole ........

[Yujanin]

Last night on the phone I read naively believed and was indignant. I remembered. And now I checked it.

www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/blogs/83772/posts/32985

[Brut]

Themselves wrote an article, and now here you are throwing this false link ?!

ALL premiere decrees are on the official website. So there is no need for such low-quality propaganda.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Zugunder12

you’re a more informed dude,

why are you insulting? The word - dude - abusive in the Russian Federation, and I advise you not to get on the face on the street, to find out what this word means !!!! (dude - castrated ram)

[zugunder12]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Quote: Zugunder12

you’re a more informed dude,

why are you insulting? The word - dude - abusive in the Russian Federation, and I advise you not to get on the face on the street, to find out what this word means !!!! (dude - castrated ram)

I talked to Russian guys in Russia and they used the word “dude” quite peacefully, they didn’t beat each other. My brother warned me that I wouldn’t use words when talking to Russians that compare with one pet with horns, small artiodactyl, did not compare them with this animal - for this you can really get in the face. I obeyed my brother.

[Sergej1972]

A castrated ram is a valuha.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Sergej1972

A castrated ram is a valuha.

learn materiel

[sogdy]

Quote: Tiksi-3

find out what this word means !!!! (dude - castrated ram)

Yes, you?!? Specify the language.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: sogdy

Yes, you?!? Specify the language.

[sogdy]

Dude (dude, dude) - home soft shoes, "home", something that later came to mean "bro." Not accepted in the literary language, at all. The word is distributed throughout the post-USSR both as a name for a type of shoe and as a reference.
Often confused with chuni, but these are completely different shoes.
By the frequency of use in written works - Belarus, Volga region, northeast of the Urals, ALL Cossack lines.
The remaining interpretations of the word are local argo.

[Weyland]

Quote: Tiksi-3

dude - castrated ram

What language? "Dude" is from a slang of musicians, acc. "viewer" (Polish. czuwać = watch)

[garnik]

By the way, on May 9, by the first decree, it was moved to the 8th, already on the whole beaten track they started to drive ....

Do not carry nonsense. In Armenia May 9 is a triple holiday.

[Gnefredov]

It began ... Has anyone else doubted what this circus will lead to?
In this part of the party, I am for Azerbaijanis (Fixed by Vadivak); they will need endurance now.

[Gnefredov]

Vadivak - thanks

[mikh-korsakov]

The new leadership of Armenia wants to break up with Russia and move to the west, but the Karabakh problem prevents it. because the Azerbaijani partner is on guard. No wonder Aliyev sent congratulations to Putin two days later on his assumption of office. That's right - Armenia is an independent state and has the right to be friends with whom it wants, but why should Russia be friends with an unreliable partner. Has the Ukrainian experience taught anything?

[Brut]

Everything worked to the penny that you paid.

And if you did not pay, and you, of course, are not an ordinary liar, then it will not be difficult for you to prove your words:

Quote: mikh-korsakov

The new leadership of Armenia both wants and is pricking to break with Russia and will move west

[mikh-korsakov]

Regarding the hypothesis about working out kopecks, this is ordinary rudeness. It appears with a lack of evidence and indicates that your position in the dispute is weak, and most likely I am right. What can be seen from our Russian foreign countries. It can be seen that the whole country did not work for two weeks in an effort to overthrow its power. Our media claimed that the rush of the Armenian people took place because they wanted to get rid of corruption. But I too respect the mind and knowledge of history among the Armenian people to believe that the people do not understand that a change of power through protests in the square leads to even steeper, more hungry corrupt officials (Ukraine, Russia in 1917, many examples). The desire of the Armenian people for a better life is legitimate. But now life in the West is more satisfying and more fun than in Russia, against which, moreover, an economic and information war is being waged. Therefore, the desire of the Armenian people to move away from Russia to the west is natural and legal. But because of this, it is now impossible to sit on two chairs. Therefore, for us, your desire to go west is understood and legal. But the desire of Russia to understand this and not treat Armenia as an ally with all the ensuing consequences is also legitimate, because Russia, like Armenia, has its own road.

[Brut]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

It appears with a lack of evidence and indicates that your position in the dispute is weak, and most likely I am right.

This is true, only the exact opposite.
You wrote:

Quote: mikh-korsakov

New leadership Armenia wants to break up with Russia and will rush west

so be so kind as to provide evidence of your words. Where did the new leadership speak of the desire to "go west"?

Quote: mikh-korsakov

The desire of the Armenian people for a better life is legitimate.

Do not distort. First you talked about new leadership, and now about the Armenian people. For the Armenian people, striving for a better life does not mean becoming an enemy of Russia.

[mikh-korsakov]

I quote Brut. First you talked about leadership, and now about the Armenian peoplee. Nonsense. Nikol Pashinyan appeared in power by the will of the Armenian people, that is, the people and Pashinyan are one. Nikol Pashinyan, being in opposition, was against Armenia’s entry into the CSTO and the EAEU. Now he says differently. Most likely his present statements are a tactical ploy: he needs to look and understand what he will get from the new owners. Let me remind you the number of employees of the American Embassy in Yerevan 15+ people. However, to us what is from all this.

[Yujanin]

Most likely his current statements are a tactical ploy:

I suspect that a reversal to the West will occur after it strengthens the ground under it. By the way, the Defense Ministry of Armenia resigned yesterday, today he dismissed the chief of police and the director of the National Security Council of Armenia.

[Brut]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Likely his current statements are a tactical ploy:

You look like Theresa May - "most likely," "with a high degree of probability."
If you follow your logic, then Skripale was poisoned by order from the Kremlin, right?
What you wrote is:

Quote: mikh-korsakov

NONSENSE.

[Nikolai Petrov]

Campaign of Armenia’s caput seems to be like a “country”. I don’t have a gift, but ..... Karabakh Armenians will dry out. Then the Americans will draw their bases here. And this is a pebble in the Persian garden.

[garnik]

Campaign of Armenia’s caput seems to be like a “country”. I don’t have a gift, but ..... Karabakh Armenians will dry out. Then the Americans will draw their bases here. And this is a pebble in the Persian garden.

You geopolitics in the South Caucasus region you do not know a damn thing.
The Armenians of Artsakh will surrender only if Armenia suffers a military defeat. This happened in the 20s with the simultaneous attack of Turkish and Bolshevik Russia on Armenia.
But the Americans will certainly if, with the help of Russia, Ar.tsakh passes into the possession of the so-called Azerbaijan. And the Persians are geopolitical allies for the Armenians. They have common opponents with the Armenians.

[Grits]

And the Persians are geopolitical allies for the Armenians. They have common opponents with the Armenians.
Now, I think, no longer. Your new leader has changed the vector 180 degrees. so now you have other allies.

[Brut]

Quote: Gritsa

Now, I think, no longer. Your new leader has changed 180 degree vector. so now you have other allies.

How can you prove your words? Or an empty chatter?

[Grits]

Let the Armenians prepare for the fact that the Americans will begin to press Iran on their territory. Since Pashinyan will very quickly replace Russian bases with American ones .. That’s why everything was planned. And let them prepare to receive Iranian missiles on their heads as an answer in the event of a serious disruption between the United States and Iran. So, besides Azerbaijan, you have another foe. But a tough friend appeared. From which no country expects anything good. Except Armenia, of course.

[garnik]

Let the Armenians prepare for the fact that the Americans will begin to press Iran on their territory.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It will be so, it will be so. The fact that rapprochement with the Turks and without forecasts is fatal for Russia, I think most members of the forum understand. But the power of deaf and blind.

[Seal]

Quote: Ded-Makar

They will hand over Karabakh and expel the Russians .. And then everything will begin on a new bloody path ..

From where will they expel? From Karabakh? Yes, there seems to be besides this, as his ... well, the founder of the Alice exchange .... ah, Herman Sterligov, ours aren't there. Or maybe Sterligov had already fled from there.

[Denis Obukhov]

It seems that Baku gave the correct assessment to Pashinyan. Drove to the authorities in Armenia, he thinks that he will be able to solve other problems unceremoniously. This does not happen, especially since there is no experience.

[Seal]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Then the Americans will draw their bases here. And this is a pebble in the Persian garden.

Well, that's great. For us. The worse the Persians have relations with the States, the better for us. And the price of oil is higher
And then, the United States in the early 1990s, they themselves did not want to establish their base in Armenia, since the United States had complete love and understanding with Turkey in the early 1990s (and Turkey would be very offended by the appearance of the US base in Armenia, so as Armenia has official territorial and political claims against Turkey), so they instructed Armenia to ask the Armenians for a base from us. And we were led. Thus, the cunning Americans for decades to come laid a mine under Russian-Turkish relations. The base then appeared on the border with Turkey. And Turkey, of course, was offended. But not for the Americans, but for us. The base is ours !!!
And then we were still surprised, and what did the Turks help the Chechens in the first Chechen.

[Gnefredov]

all right laid out. I will not offer one hundred grams in the morning, but virtually, consider that I raised for your health

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

And then we were still surprised, and what did the Turks help the Chechens in the first Chechen.

So well done Turks that in the first Chechen Chechens helped?

[Seal]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

but the Karabakh problem prevents it from being done.

It is not the Karabakh problem that hinders this at all. The West and first of all the USA do not need Armenia without its "allied relations" with Russia. The USA needs Armenia precisely as a state, which by all means should pretend that it is “Russia's best friend and ally,” “outpost,” and so on. For the USA’s worst nightmare is Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO and Turkey’s alliance with Russia, to which Iran will join. The task of Armenia is to prevent such a development of events. And she (Armenia) is doing her best to appear as our best friend and ally. Since Armenia has territorial claims against Turkey. And that means the Turks can always (and alas, rightly) accuse us of a double game. How is that, the Turks have the right to ask us: "Russia offers friendship to Turkey on the one hand, and Russia, on the other hand, in Armenia (which claims to be part of Turkish territory) maintains its base, and even on the border with Turkey !!! Why ?? "
This is the real role of Armenia in big politics. Role - a huge knotty log lying on the road to improving relations between Russia and Turkey. Preventing the union of Russia, Turkey and Iran.

[zugunder12]

Armenia has no territorial problems with Turkey and all the presidents of my country have stated this more than once. Armenia recognized the Kars Agreement of 1921. So no one bothers you to develop your relations with Turkey - develop your health and do not blame the third party for your failures. They conspired here.

[mikh-korsakov]

It was not for nothing that the whole of Armenia rode in the squares, the point is not in the fight against corruption, as they imagined (Ukrainian experience has shown that the old corrupt ones will be replaced by newer, more greedy ones), but to go west, but in today's conditions go to the West means becoming an enemy of Russia, because the attack of the West is now on Russia. And the point is not in Crimea and not in pederasts, but in the fact that history teaches us that every time Europe united, whether under Napoleon or under Hitler, Europe attacked Russia. Yes, for God's sake, the Armenians wanted to the west - a good riddance, you can take Petrosyan to the road

[Brut]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

No wonder all of Armenia rode in the squares,

This is you personally jumping in your bed. All of Armenia in the squares fought (peacefully) with the arrogant king.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

(Ukrainian experience has shown that old corrupt ones will be replaced by new ones - more greedy)

You already have some kind of complex with this “Ukrainian experience”.

Quote: mikh-korsakov

For God's sake, the Armenians wanted to the west - good riddance, you can take Petrosyan to the road

Where did you see it? are there any facts?

[icant007]

Quote: Brut

This is you personally jumping in your bed. All of Armenia in the squares fought (peacefully) with the arrogant king.

Such young Yerevan girls danced, danced in the square
Seen on tv I liked

[Seal]

Quote: Zugunder12

Armenia recognized the 1921 Kars Treaty.

Really? The Kars Treaty, like any international treaty, was subject to ratification by the parties that signed it.

A rticle 20.

This agreement concluded between the Governments of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia is subject to ratification.

The exchange of ratifications will take place in Erivani as soon as possible.

This agreement will enter into force upon ratification, with the exception of Articles 6, 14, 15, 16, 18, and 19, which will enter into force immediately after signing the agreement.

All-Russian Central Executive Committee March 16, 1922 Exchange of instruments of ratification was made in Yerevan on September 11, 1922.
But Armenia did not ratify the Kars Agreement.

[zugunder12]

Quote: Seal

Quote: Zugunder12

Armenia recognized the 1921 Kars Treaty.

Really? The Kars Treaty, like any international treaty, was subject to ratification by the parties that signed it.

A rticle 20.

This agreement concluded between the Governments of Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia is subject to ratification.

The exchange of ratifications will take place in Erivani as soon as possible.

This agreement will enter into force upon ratification, with the exception of Articles 6, 14, 15, 16, 18, and 19, which will enter into force immediately after signing the agreement.

All-Russian Central Executive Committee March 16, 1922 Exchange of instruments of ratification was made in Yerevan on September 11, 1922.
But Armenia did not ratify the Kars Agreement.

You, as always, are carrying the blizzard - the Armenian government stated that it was the successor to the First Armenian Republic (1918–20) and the Second Armenian Republic (1920–91) and recognizes all the agreements signed by the previous governments of Armenia. Again, it did not make sense to recognize the Kars Agreement, since the Government of Armenia recognized it with its statement, as well as all the agreements signed before it. Well, with
that they ate, a dear American commando. Every mention of Armenia to you is like a red rag for a bull.

[Seal]

You would bother to read first, dear, before throwing accusations.
The First Armenian Republic (1918-1920) The Kars Treaty did not pee. She signed the 1920 Alexandropol Peace Treaty with Turkey.
Once again especially for those who .....
The Kars agreement of October 13, 1921 that Armenia, which you call the "Second Armenian Republic (1920 - 91)" - signed. But it is not enough to sign international treaties with representatives of the executive branch. They are still supposed to be ratified by representative bodies. I specifically cited article 20 of the Treaty. But just the ratification by the Supreme Council of Armenia in 1921-1922. and it wasn’t. The Armenians dragged on this matter, and in March 1922 the Transcaucasian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic was formed. And from that date on, de jure, the representative bodies of individual republics lost their authority.
And the representative body of the ZSFSR is not involved, as the Transcaucasian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic did not exist at the time of the conclusion of the Treaty.
Are you speaking out against your own Armenian international lawyers?
PS Not "prи", and" successor. "

[Livonetc]

So the ball is on the field of the Armenian side and you should not reinvent the wheel. I want to emphasize once again that Azerbaijan is completely ready for substantive negotiations mediated by the co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group on the basis of the existing agenda for a speedy resolution of the conflict,

"... My neighbor, not yet an old man, with a beard, leaned towards his neighbor on the left and politely asked:
- And what, comrade, this plenary meeting will be ali how?
“Plenary,” the neighbor answered casually.
“Are you,” the first one was surprised, “that's what I look at, what is it?” As if it were plenary.
“Well, be calm,” the second answered sternly. “Today it’s very plenary and a quorum has stolen up - just hold on.
- Yah? - asked the neighbor. “Is the quorum also stolen?”
“By golly,” said the second.
“And what is it, this quorum?”
“Nothing,” the neighbor answered, a little bewildered. “He got up, and that’s it.”
“Say grace,” the first neighbor shook his head with chagrin. “Why would he?”
The second neighbor spread his arms and looked sternly at the interlocutor, then added with a soft smile:
- Here you are, comrade, I suppose you do not approve of these plenary sessions ... But somehow they are closer to me. Everything somehow, you know, comes out to them minimally in essence of the day ... Although I, frankly, have lately been quite permanent in these meetings. So, you know, the industry is empty to empty ... "
M. Zoshchenko

[Gnefredov]

Here it is, she, politics ...

[Lekxnumx]

Az-en does not recognize Karabakh as a party to the conflict, therefore, it will not negotiate. Negotiations can be conducted with Armenia itself and this is logical, because Armenia itself did not recognize Karabakh as a separate entity. In fact, Karabakh is a de jure entity of Armenia. Entering the EAEU, the CSTO Armenia accepted without Karabakh, that is, organizations created by Russia also do not recognize Karabakh as part of Armenia. Therefore, the Armenians are at a crossroads, in fact their land, but at the same time no one including their strategic ally recognizes this. But having recognized the NKR, they legally refuse it legally , part of Armenia.
How can Az-Nah negotiate if there are conscripts from Armenia in the trenches opposite? And despite the fact that it’s not Donetsk or Lugansk where there are people with Russian passports, even the North wind is blowing, but this is all done secretly and is called official volunteers. In the case of Karabakh, the Armenian troops conduct exercises, draftees and officers of the Armenian army are in the trenches with the Karabakh Armenians. And then negotiate with Karabakh? Bullshit of course.

[Bakht]

Actually, I am not against Azerbaijan negotiating with the NKR. But in this case it is not clear what the delegations of Armenia will do there. So there is always a choice. Or negotiations with Armenia or with the NKR. Only one thing. If Yerevan claims that the NKR is an independent state, then there is nothing to meddle in the affairs of another state. The problem is that Yerevan cannot recognize the fact of annexation and claim that Armenia has captured Karabakh.
So from the point of view of international law, Pashinyan’s position is very weak. NKR is an independent state or a colony of Armenia? And what does he want - to join Karabakh to Armenia or NKR independence?
Pashinyan stated that negotiations with the President of Azerbaijan should be conducted by the NKR President. I'm not against. Then let Pashinyan have a smoke in the hallway.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Bakht

Pashinyan stated that negotiations with the President of Azerbaijan should be conducted by the NKR President. I'm not against. Then let Pashinyan have a smoke in the hallway.

It’s possible, but it turns out that in the proverb “radish is not sweeter” these negotiations will drag on again for 25 years. Az-en is in any case a loser. Pashinyan is afraid to return even the occupied lands that are not part of the NKR. Because the well-armed Karabakh clan put an end to it. And if it leads to the negotiations of the NKR, you will have to start all over again. If it is in the interests of the Armenians to exchange 5 regions for independence, there is no matter who you negotiate with.

[Bakht]

Armenia will never return either five or 6 regions. The aim of the war was aggression and expansion. Any politician who gives a hint about the return of the occupied regions will not be seated in the leadership chair for a couple of days. So Azerbaijan will have to fight. I just do not agree to fight for Karabakh. For the liberation of 6 districts - Yes, I agree with both hands. And Karabakh itself in its current composition does not need Azerbaijan. Over time, the situation may change. Here is a direct analogy with the Donbass. Kiev itself does not need Donbass. But the degree of tension to maintain is quite suitable.

[Bakht]

The goals of war must always be clearly stated. What will Azerbaijan gain if it returns Karabakh by force? And what will lose? We must first think about what exactly we want to fight for ...

[Moskovit]

Hypothetically, you won the war and took Karabakh. Only Armenians live there. What will happen to them? Refugees will return. How to share? Or stripping?

[Bakht]

The right question ... Therefore, we do not need Karabakh at the moment. We need to return the refugees there first. You can also return refugees to Baku. I even agree to the NKR within the borders of 1988. Who in the subject understands what is at stake.
Azerbaijan declares the widest autonomy within Azerbaijan. And why should the Azerbaijani guys die? For the deputies to sit in the Milli Majlis. With wild hatred of Azerbaijan.
And nobody is going to do a sweep. If Kiev is forgiven for the Russian genocide in the Donbass, then the same genocide of Europe in Karabakh will not forgive the Armenian genocide. And nobody wants to sit on a bench in The Hague.
Is Armenia in crisis? I like. In the blockade? They chose it themselves. I can repeat again - for now I like everything. There are casualties on the front line. But there are far fewer of them than in a full-scale war.

[Brut]

Quote: Bakht

Is Armenia in crisis? I like. In the blockade? They chose it themselves. I can repeat again - for now I like everything.

It’s very good that you like it, so you don’t have to do anything, let everything stay the same for another 25-125 years.

[Bakht]

If you stretch these 25-125 years. I’m not saying that this is forever. I like it at the moment. But I also say that there will still be a war. Azerbaijan will return its 6 regions and will not wait for this for so long. The purpose of the war, I see the return of the occupied regions. And there are no other opinions.

[Brut]

Quote: Bakht

If you stretch these 25-125 years.

Dont worry.

Quote: Bakht

But I also say that war will still be. Azerbaijan will return its 6 regions and will not wait for this for so long. The purpose of the war, I see the return of the occupied regions. And there are no other opinions.

For God's sake. So far, only on the Internet. The war, by the way, which you want, will not be on the Internet.

[Bakht]

I'm absolutely not worried. I am calm as a boa constrictor looking at a rabbit. Of course, the war will be in the field. But ... in war, all means are needed. And the internet too. Who does not understand this, that .... stupid person.
By the way, I just don’t want a war. The Armenians started the war and sooner or later they will reap all its fruits. I sincerely hope so.
In the meantime, they are reaping economic results. Doesn’t the events in Armenia mean that the country is in crisis? Or is it an indicator of unprecedented democracy. Does the crowd seem to demand the removal of the mayor of Yerevan? You have a full-fledged crisis of power and the state. With what I congratulate you.
https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/politics/20180510/11
954862 / Yerevan-ulicy-vnov-perekryli-demonstration-
photo.html

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Bakht

Armenia will never return either five or 6 regions. The aim of the war was aggression and expansion. Any politician who gives a hint about the return of the occupied regions will not be seated in the leadership chair for a couple of days. So Azerbaijan will have to fight. I just do not agree to fight for Karabakh. For the liberation of 6 districts - Yes, I agree with both hands. And Karabakh itself in its current composition does not need Azerbaijan. Over time, the situation may change. Here is a direct analogy with the Donbass. Kiev itself does not need Donbass. But the degree of tension to maintain is quite suitable.

You rarely see such a balanced comment from the representative of the titular nation of Az-na. I already noticed that you are a competent, well-read person, sorry for the modest question, how old are you? You can return all of Karabakh, but what can you do with it later? It’s rare to ask this question what to do with the Armenians there. Moreover, the Armenians will not agree to autonomy, as an option, cohabitation is possible. Armenians know that demographically deceive Karabakh in any cohabitation with the Az-ts. They can be considered anyone not idiots. In short, a dead end .But so far, Aliyev’s authorities, with their delusional statements by Zengesur Irevana alachayig. I doubt that 6 districts can be returned at all. Unfortunately, the authorities have become hostages of themselves. I think this conflict in itself suits our government. I don’t like blankets, I just can’t stand them , this is not serious, this cheese is boron. For example, a forum member will say this from Az-na without thinking about the consequences, this is one thing, but when a politician switches to the style of Al Zhirinovsky this is already the land.

[Bakht]

Your comment is mixed. But I do not agree with you. I may or may not like Aliyev. As a citizen of Azerbaijan, I have many complaints against him. Probably Russians do not have all-consuming love for Putin. But claims and dissatisfaction with the authorities are still different things. Aliyev said that Armenia is located on Azerbaijani lands. It seems to me that there was no question of returning Yerevan or Zangezur. But even in this form, the statement of I. Aliyev does not contribute to solving the problem. Azerbaijan and Armenia have existed since 1920. From this moment we must count down.
The Karabakh problem can be solved only in one way. That which is prescribed in the Minsk resolution of the OSCE. To which, incidentally, Pashinyan addresses and shamelessly twists her. There are only three principles: non-use of force, the right of nations to self-determination and territorial integrity. This means the demilitarization of the region, and the existence of the autonomy of Karabakh within Azerbaijan. Only on the example of the Åland Islands.
This, by the way, is the only way to resolve ALL national disputes. And Donbass and Kosovo and Karabakh. The reasons are different everywhere - everyone has one recipe. Now, if Pashinyan carefully reads the principles of the OSCE Minsk Declaration and follows them, then the problem will be solved. By the way, nothing is said there that the Karabakh communities have representation in the negotiation process. This is his next populist lie.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Bakht

Your comment is mixed. But I do not agree with you. I may or may not like Aliyev. As a citizen of Azerbaijan, I have many complaints against him. Probably Russians do not have all-consuming love for Putin. But claims and dissatisfaction with the authorities are still different things. Aliyev said that Armenia is located on Azerbaijani lands. It seems to me that there was no question of returning Yerevan or Zangezur. But even in this form, the statement of I. Aliyev does not contribute to solving the problem. Azerbaijan and Armenia have existed since 1920. From this moment we must count down.

Perhaps I am sometimes harsh in relation to the Az power. I just expect more from that and claim. In general, I also wanted to say a far-sighted statement.

Quote: Bakht

non-use of force, the right of nations to self-determination and territorial integrity.

Mutually exclusive principles they do not work. The Armenians have already determined themselves and the world community should be on the side of Azn. But as we see quiet neutrality, if not on their side. Kurds are numerous people, the world community should kind of come out on their side in terms of self-determination. But it is silent before the operations of Turkey, Erdogan openly says I won’t let them self-determine even in Syria. And where is this principle?
Russians have a statehood that has self-determined the west on the side of Ukraine. And on the Kosovo issue, the west is on the side of the Albanians, who are also self-determined, for example, against the self-determination of Abkhazians and Ossetians. And when this principle worked in international law? The same can be said about the principle of territorial integrity. International law is simply not it works, one principle works PERSONAL INTERESTS beyond the powers therefore they have the right of VETO.
Neither Russia, nor the United States, nor Britain, nor France, nor China, nor any other party respect this right.

[Bakht]

The principle of self-determination and territorial integrity are perfectly consistent. It is just necessary to clearly define the goals and objectives of any national movement from the beginning.
Buchanan's book, Issues of Secession, has been published for a long time, translated into Russian and everything is clearly stated there. It is also clearly stated in what cases separation from the state is possible. Karabakh does not fit any of the signs.
Wide autonomy within the state. This is the only way for a bloodless solution to the conflict. The problem of Kosovo and Karabakh are identical. In both cases we are talking about capture and accession. That is anschluss. This has nothing to do with self-determination. The problem of Donbass in the cultural and physical genocide on a national basis. Therefore, Donbass has the right to self-determination and secession. By the way, Russia is opposed to the accession of Donbass. The military and geopolitical factor overlapped the Crimea. Crimea had the right to self-determination and secession. But leaving it as part of Ukraine from a military point of view was criminal.
In Karabakh, the situation is identical to Kosovo. Self-determination within territorial integrity is possible. But for this it is necessary to stop the propaganda of hostility and change the Constitution of both states. Now, under the Constitution of Armenia, Karabakh is part of Armenia and there can be no talk of any self-determination. And under the Constitution of Azerbaijan, Karabakh is not autonomy.
First you need to bring the documentation back to normal.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Bakht

The principle of self-determination and territorial integrity are perfectly consistent. It is just necessary to clearly define the goals and objectives of any national movement from the beginning.

You know what the problem is, how these principles are consistent in practice, there are examples. In theory, yes, maybe the mechanisms are developed but in practice there is zero effect. Regarding the Crimea, a referendum on self-determination in country "A" under the armed control of the army of country "B". Sorry I’m not a referendum but something else. He voiced his position on the issue of cohabitation of different ethnic groups, peoples many times. Self-government and this is the only way of stability. But not in view of the Russian form of federation.
I don’t believe that these principles can solve the problem. It seems like a good thing in religion and encourages people to be merciful, fearful of human sins, but the most powerful locomotive of the split between people is religion. This is such a primitive example that expectations and reality somewhat different.

[Bakht]

In practice, these principles work great. If both sides want to live in peace. But if hate propaganda has been going on for 100 years, then of course it won’t work.
About the Crimea. Of course, this is not the place. But you are wrong about the "control of a foreign army". I can once again repeat the generally accepted norms. In violation of national rights (language, religion, history, culture), the people have the right to secession. In Ukraine, it was all. Ukrainians have asked me many times - is it because of the language it all began? The answer is yes, precisely because of the language people want to speak. The Russians did not want Yanukovych. But they were not going to give up their culture and principles. There was no infringement of the rights of Armenians in Karabakh.
What you call "self-government" is autonomy. Own language, own police, own prosecutors, police, etc. Your Supreme Council. But as part of Azerbaijan. But the conflict itself broke out precisely because of the territory. So the Armenians will not agree to it. Again, I do not mind - let them boil in their juice and in their poverty. But 6 districts must be returned.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Lek3338

But while Aliyev’s power with their delusional statements by Zengesur Irevan alachayig

Well, he said different.
Irəvan bizim tarixi torpağımızdır və biz azərbaycanlılar bu tarixi torpaqlara qayıtmalıyıq.

Irevan is our historical land and we Azerbaijanis must return to these historical lands.
He did not talk about the return of these lands, their accession to Azerbaijan or the creation of a separate quasi-state there.
If the Karabakh conflict is resolved and a peace treaty between the countries is signed, then Azerbaijanis will be able to return to these lands.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Yeraz

Irəvan bizim tarixi torpağımızdır və biz azərbaycanlılar bu tarixi torpaqlara qayıtmalıyıq.

An inappropriate statement in this historical segment, everything has its own time, and statements that are interpreted differently must be chewed before saying. All Russian-language mass media came out with the headline "Aliyev wants to return Yerevan"
A person of this status should be more responsible and should take into account that such statements can be used by Armenian and not only propaganda in the future. There is a good proverb "Söz vardır kesdirer başı, Söz vardır keser savaşı"

[Bakht]

I say it again. that phrases taken out of context distort the essence. It seems Talleyrand said: "give me any work of the classic and from his quotations I will build a staircase to the scaffold"
I understood this a bit differently than you presented here. There is no hint in the speech of I. Aliyev that Azerbaijan should return Yerevan. It is about the return of Azerbaijanis to their historical lands. There is a difference.
Similarly, we are talking about the fact that Azerbaijanis should return to Nagorno-Karabakh. There are two communities of Nagorno-Karabakh: Armenian and Azerbaijani. Both communities should be considered in the negotiation process.
https://www.president.az/articles/26998
https://ru.president.az/articles/26998
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Regarding the topic itself. Baku gave an answer for a long time and this answer has not changed
"The Armenian-Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh conflict should be resolved within the framework of the territorial integrity of our country on the basis of UN Security Council resolutions. There is no other way. We will never allow the creation of our land second Armenian state. The territorial integrity of our country is not and will never be the topic of negotiations. "
So there is no bargaining and can not be. The situation has not changed at all. And then the confrontation will continue.

[Bakht]

You have already been answered. I am also a native speaker of this language and I have not heard of territorial claims. I read that Azerbaijanis should return to their historical lands.
The way the Russian and Armenian-language media interpreted this phrase on their conscience. Although I agree that thoughts should be formulated more clearly. But I did not read about the seizure and the war with Armenia.

[gukoyan]

Something tells me that the negotiations will come to a standstill. These are two people who will insist on their own. Therefore, they will not come to a common denominator.

[Seal]

Quote: garnik

And there is no cause for concern about the expulsion of the Russians, and never has been, and never will be; do not write provocative comments.

Yes, perhaps you're right. There really is no concern about the expulsion of Russians. For there is no one to expel. Almost everyone was expelled .. oh, let's just say, hugged so tightly in their friendly arms that almost all of us prefer to leave.
Of all the Transcaucasian republics, in the percentage reduction of Russians to the number of those who previously lived there, even according to official figures, Armenia is confidently leading. The once tolerant Erivan province of our Russian Empire, where Armenians made up just over 50% of the population, and hundreds of other nationalities lived with them in the province, has now become the most mono-ethnic country in the world, where the number of titular population is 98,8%. The peace-loving Armenians drove out all the rest, squeezed out or squeezed out, squeezing in their warm friendly embrace. Yes, even from Tajikistan, where not only, like in Armenia, there was no water or light for years, but there was also a civil war, and less of ours left in percentage terms than from Armenia. Even the most unpretentious in everyday life MOLOKANES who escaped using electricity as a sin, escaped from Armenia. Under Soviet rule, there were about (or slightly more) 50 purely Molokan villages in Armenia. Now there are only 2 (two) left - Lermontovo and Violetovo, and they are already half Armenian. The Armenians began to look at the well-cultivated for over 150 years hardworking Molokans of their land. And they began to take the land from the Molokans. Moreover, you succeeded, since you translated all the paperwork into Armenian. The Molokans did not understand how they lost their land. Hitler did not even dream of achieving such a “Germans / non-Germans” ratio for his Nazi Germany, which the “most peaceful, friendliest” Armenians have now achieved. Armenians, as practice shows, are Hitler’s most consistent students regarding national politics. The Armenians even surpassed Hitler himself in Hitlerism. Since Hitler allowed the existence in Germany of a sufficiently large number of nations, except for the Germans themselves. And the Armenians, from their independent Armenia, "drove all non-Armenians almost to the comb. To loud songs about the friendliness of the Armenians, to songs and dances about the friendship and love of Armenians for the Great Russian people.

[zugunder12]

Engaged in provocations, the Armenians are not to blame for the fact that there are few Russians in Armenia. Russian sectarians - Molokans live here in compact villages. If you are so interested in the fate of the Russians, ask where tens of thousands of Russian sectarians - Molokans who lived in the Kars region of the Russian Empire, which entered the the composition of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1878 and surrendered to Turkey under the Kars Treaty of 1921? Where are these Molokans? My great-grandfather served in the Russian Imperial Army in WWI, after the collapse of the front and leaving the war, Russia volunteered for the newly formed Armenian army, which retreated with heavy fighting .A great-grandfather told my father that as a result of one counterattack, their military unit was able to recapture one village in the Kara region inhabited by Molokans. I will briefly describe what my great-grandfather told me - the whole village was standing on the vine. After that, great-grandfather, if the Armenian army left the village inhabited by the Molokans, forced everyone to evacuate, because he knew about the "mercy" of the Turks.

[icant007]

Armenia is not the only example of mono-ethnicity - Poland, Albania .....
Well, and then, the Armenians will most likely answer that this does not mean that all Armenians are bad and they are all fleeing from them, but rather that Armenia strictly protects its national identity, identity and culture from the penetration of foreign corrupting cultures.

[zugunder12]

Quote: icant007

Armenia is not the only example of mono-ethnicity - Poland, Albania .....
Well, and then, the Armenians will most likely answer that this does not mean that all Armenians are bad and they are all fleeing from them, but rather that Armenia strictly protects its national identity, identity and culture from the penetration of foreign corrupting cultures.

You can’t even imagine that the present territory of Armenia is just a splinter from Greater Armenia. Armenia is now mono-ethnic, since as a result of the massacre of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, many thousands of Armenians moved here, and after the collapse of the USSR, many Russians returned to their homeland because of domestic problems.

[icant007]

Far from it, I very well imagine. I looked at many ancient maps of the world. But just an attempt to restore historical states within the ancient borders is a way to nowhere.
An example is Karabakh. Raising the issue of the Armenian affiliation of Karabakh was a great strategic mistake of Armenia, which led to great casualties and economic losses.
And as for the Russians, as far as I know with the Russian language in Armenia, everything is bad. Signs are in Armenian and, at best, in English where tourists roam.

[Brut]

Quote: icant007

An example is Karabakh. Raising the issue of the Armenian affiliation of Karabakh was a great strategic mistake of Armenia, leading to great sacrifices and economic losses.

You can’t even imagine how many victims there would be if it were not for “raising the question.” The second genocide, but already in Karabakh we will not allow, the rest is lyrics.

[icant007]

Stop speculating on genocide, creating an image of the enemy from the neighbors. The chanting of one’s own exceptionalism has long turned into a form of chauvinism and paranoia.
And with their atrocities on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border in the 90s, your militants put themselves on a par with the perpetrators of the genocide 100 years ago.
The greatness of the people is not to constantly cry over the past, but to stand up and go forward, take the first step, establishing peaceful relations with neighboring peoples. I emphasize exactly peoples
And as long as these female lamentations, you cause only self-pity and irritation that is poorly hidden in the majority.
And in order to take such a step, you need a new leader who can overcome national pride, and an idea that is not based on Greater Armenia from sea to sea.

[Brut]

Quote: icant007

And as long as these female lamentations, you cause only self-pity and irritation that is poorly hidden in the majority.

Do you have problems reading or reading?
I wrote: "The second genocide, but we will not allow it in Karabakh, the rest is lyrics," where are the "female lamentations"?

Quote: icant007

The greatness of the people is not to constantly cry over the past, but to stand up and go forward, take the first step, establishing peaceful relations with neighboring peoples. I emphasize, it is the peoples

That is what you did with the Ukrainians? Have a peaceful relationship ?!

Quote: icant007

Stop speculating on genocide, creating an image of the enemy from the neighbors. The chanting of one’s own exceptionalism has long turned into a form of chauvinism and paranoia.
And with their atrocities on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border in the 90s, your militants put themselves on a par with the perpetrators of the genocide 100 years ago.

Quote: icant007

And in order to take such a step, you need a new leader who can overcome national pride, and an idea that is not based on Greater Armenia from sea to sea.

I said the rest is lyrics.

[icant007]

That's right, an eternal appeal to genocide - this is women's lamentations.
Well, if crimes in Karabakh and on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border are lyrics, then genocide is also lyrics that has nothing to do with today.
And we are not at war with Ukraine. She has about the same problem as you. Awareness of their own exclusivity and resentment. What results in aggression against the inhabitants of Donbass.

[Brut]

Quote: icant007

Well, if the crimes in Karabakh and on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border

And can you prove these crimes?

Quote: icant007

And we are not at war with Ukraine.

According to your "do not fight," is this "building peaceful relations with neighboring peoples"?

A smart face is not a sign of the mind. (C)

[icant007]

Quote: Brut

And can you prove these crimes?

I believe that the Azerbaijani authorities have enough evidence and evidence on the crimes of the Armenian militants during the years of conflict.

Quote: Brut

According to your "do not fight," is this "building peaceful relations with neighboring peoples"?

You will not be forcibly sweet. Ukraine itself does not want. Do you offer us to kiss them with kisses?

[Brut]

Quote: icant007

You will not be forcibly sweet. Ukraine itself does not want. Do you offer us to kiss them with kisses?

Well, we are about the same. Our neighbors do not want to live in peace. Every second word "war will necessarily be." Well, it will be so.

Quote: icant007

I suppose the Azerbaijani authorities have enough evidence and evidence on the crimes of Armenian militants during the years of conflict.

At first you left the impression of a serious person.

[Gnefredov]

If no jokes, then for Russia there is a terrible situation. We cannot lose an outpost in Armenia without kicking our partners ass.

[Tank hard]

Explain to me what this outpost of Russia gives? Or maybe someone knows better?

[brosai_kurit]

The first decree of the new Prime Minister of Armenia, Nikol Pashinyan, was the transfer of Victory Day to May 8 and the renaming of the holiday on the Day of Sorrow and Reconciliation, the cabinet’s press release reported.

“The last time Armenia celebrated the Victory Day imposed by the Soviet regime. It was not our war, but thousands and hundreds of thousands of Armenians perished, defending Stalin’s imperial interests in his battle with his former friends Nazi Germany, ”he said, commenting on the adoption of the bill.

Baghramyan spins in his grave like a dynamo ... Trouble!

[Strashila]

What Armenia and Azerbaijan actually argue about ... which historically did not belong to them ... Karabakh has every right to demand joining Russia by joining any of them.
The governor of Karabakh, Ibrahim Khalil Khan, in 1805 decided to conclude an "Oath of Promise" with Russia - an agreement that actually became the first legal document on the path of Karabakh’s accession to Russia. A treaty between the Karabakh khanate and the Russian Empire on the transfer of the khanate to Russian power was signed on May 14, 1805 in the Kurekchay military camp, and therefore went down in history under the name "Kurekchay Treaty". The document consisted of 11 articles (articles) and gave frankly unilateral advantages to Russia. From now on, the Karabakh khanate passed under the auspices of Russia and refused any independent international relations with third countries. Moreover, it was especially noted that the Karabakh khanate loses the right to communicate independently with neighboring khanates. In addition, the Karabakh khan was obliged to annually contribute to the treasury of Russia a very large sum at that time - 8.000 chervonets (24.000 Russian rubles), as well as to pay the costs of maintaining his grandson, who was in Tiflis, in the residence of the commander in chief as a hostage. One of the most difficult terms of the agreement was the consent to place 500 Russian soldiers with guns in the Shusha fortress.
The only article of the Kurekchay treaty that can be interpreted in favor of Ibrahim Khalil Khan was the obligation of Russia not to interfere in the internal affairs of the khanate.
Armenia and Azerbaijan forgot what they were at the time of joining Russia ... by the khanates within Persia, there was no dependence on them as states, and Russia gave them statehood and borders.

[nivander]

Yerevan has already lost Stepanakert --- then only agony.

[Playerman]

Latin (sorry Armenian), well, straight Kazakh. By chance, Kazakhs and Armenians did not hobble. Or the teachers are the same

[Brut]

Quote: PlayerMan

Latin (sorry Armenian), well, straight Kazakh. By chance, Kazakhs and Armenians did not hobble. Or the teachers are the same

Lost in space-time?

[Weyland]

Quote: PlayerMan

Latin (sorry Armenian)

what nonsense? Armenians have their own alphabet for 16 centuries, never with the Latin one!

[Playerman]

Most likely the teachers for one mug

[Seal]

Quote: Egorovich

As always, all the tops decide, and the people disentangle.

And, even more sad, is that the "tops" do not fly to anyone .. well, from Mars. And they grow out of the very people, who then “dissolve” them.

[mikh-korsakov]

Quote: Seal

Quote: mikh-korsakov

but the Karabakh problem prevents it from being done.

It is not the Karabakh problem that hinders this at all. The West and first of all the USA do not need Armenia without its "allied relations" with Russia. The USA needs Armenia precisely as a state, which by all means should pretend that it is “Russia's best friend and ally,” “outpost,” and so on. For the USA’s worst nightmare is Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO and Turkey’s alliance with Russia, to which Iran will join. The task of Armenia is to prevent such a development of events. And she (Armenia) is doing her best to appear as our best friend and ally. Since Armenia has territorial claims against Turkey. And that means the Turks can always (and alas, rightly) accuse us of a double game. How is that, the Turks have the right to ask us: "Russia offers friendship to Turkey on the one hand, and Russia, on the other hand, in Armenia (which claims to be part of Turkish territory) maintains its base, and even on the border with Turkey !!! Why ?? "
This is the real role of Armenia in big politics. Role - a huge knotty log lying on the road to improving relations between Russia and Turkey. Preventing the union of Russia, Turkey and Iran.

Hello, Well, yes, you are right. Armenia really has territorial claims against Turkey. But is it serious for Turkey? Monaco also may have territorial claims against France, so what?

[Seal]

Quote: brosai_kurit

but thousands and hundreds of thousands of Armenians died defending the imperial interests of Stalin in his battle with former friends - Nazi Germany ”

As always, Armenians juggle with numbers. Based on the total number of the Armenian population in the USSR and the fact that the industry and agriculture of the Armenian SSR worked during the war and even gave them something “beyond the plan” (which means that the working hands in Armenia still remained in sufficient quantities), it turns out that 150-170 thousand Armenians could be called up or voluntarily go to war. Moreover, a huge number of Armenians came to serve in the army, which were introduced to Persia. That is, those who did not fight. If every fifth Armenian among those called up died in the war, the number of Armenians who died at the front will not exceed 30-34 thousand people.

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

it turns out that 150-170 thousand Armenians could be called up or voluntarily go to war.

How did you find that?

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

How did you find that?

Elementary. With the help of numbers and normal, not Armenian, arithmetic.
According to the 1939 census, there were 2.152.860 people in all Armenians throughout the USSR. There are no data as of June 22.06.1941, 2, but I believe that the number of Armenians in the USSR at this date was unlikely to exceed 200. It is believed that the population is approximately halved: men and women. Consequently, there were 000 million 1 thousand people of Armenian nationality from 110 day to 1 years old throughout the USSR. According to the ratio of ages in the USSR before the war, it is estimated that about a third of the population are minors, and 100 percent are people over the age of 20 years. True, among mountainous and Transcaucasian peoples the percentage of older people is higher. Well, okay, we can do without this correction factor. In total, out of 60 million 1 thousand men of Armenian nationality, from 100 day to 1 years old, there were 110 thousand children and 330 thousand old people. Total 220 thousand. The number of women of Armenian nationality drafted into the army was so small that they could be neglected. However, if we add 550 thousand drafted Armenian men to 550 thousand children and the elderly, then we reach the figure of 600 people. Forgive me, even MORE than the total number of men of Armenian ethnicity in the USSR :) Why are Armenians trying to give us a FALSE !!! Namely, FALSE ABOUT that in the Great Patriotic War all 1% of men of draft age of Armenian nationality were called up, and even somewhat more than that.
So, senior researcher at the Institute of History of the NAS RA, Doctor of Historical Sciences G.S. Avramyan, who calculated that the number of Armenians drafted to the front from the USSR could not exceed 370 thousand, not only RIGHTS, but I am afraid that he EXCEEDED the appeal. If called to the front even half of Armenian men of military age The USSR - even then this figure cannot exceed 275 thousand people. But it goes without saying that 50% of Armenian men of draft age did not call. Moreover, there was no call from the Transcaucasian republics in the second half of 1943.
Most likely, about 150-170 thousand Armenians were called up and left voluntarily.

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

Rather, About 150-170 thousand Armenians were called up for war and left voluntarily.

Another Teresa May. I will tell you the secret mathematics is an exact science and there is no "most likely" in it.

[garnik]

If every fifth Armenian among those called up died in the war, the number of Armenians who died at the front will not exceed 30-34 thousand people.

You crossed the red line. You do not bend the Turks. My mother worked hard for the front during the war for days at age 13. has medals, of the men there were only cripples. My father, at 17, was taken to the front. It was rarely possible to meet a healthy man.
More than half a million Armenians living in the USSR were called up during the Second World War. About 300 thousand did not return from the front. You tell us about your cavturs. How many Azerbaijanis were awarded the title of Hero of the USSR. Just over 40 people.

Just on the border of Armenia with Turkey, Georgian national units were located.
I don’t know about Iran, and you don’t know, people who like to wear noodles on their ears are enough on the site to swallow.

[Monarchist]

"my mother .. whipped up everything for the front during the war" and my mother as a child popped up: "everything for the front, everything for the Victory", but excuse me then most worked like that IN THE NAME OF VICTORY

[Monarchist]

"Georgian national units were located on the border of Armenia with Turkey" from this place please in more detail. This interested me, because the Georgian SSR was part of the USSR as well as the ArmSSR and the Az SSR and they did not have national armies, and the former army of the Georgian Republic is doubtful

[garnik]

There were national military units included in the Red Army.

[Seal]

Quote: Strashila

Armenia and Azerbaijan forgot what they were at the time of joining Russia ... by the khanates within Persia

With respect to the territory on which Armenia is now located, which became part of the Russian Empire in 1828, it is fair. For in 1828, Persia, as a state, certainly was. And the state is strong enough.
But we took Baku in that period (during the Persian campaign of Peter the Great), when Persia, as a state, did not exist.
Persia at that time was occupied by Afghans.

Entering Isfahan in 1722, the Afghan leader Mir Mahmud Shah announced that he would keep all prominent Iranian dignitaries and officials in their former places. However, he did not intend to fulfill his promise. In January 1723, Mir Mahmud Shah arranged a large feast in the palace, at which he invited the relatives of Shah Hussein and the Kyzylbash nobility. At the height of the holiday, Afghans attacked the guests and slaughtered three hundred prominent Iranian nobles along with their families. After that, the Afghans staged a massacre and pogroms in Isfahan. Having ravaged Isfahan, the Afghans subjugated all Central Iran to their power, capturing Kashan, Qazvin and many other cities. The Afghan invasion was accompanied by mass killings, robberies and violence against the local population, abuse of the faith and customs of the Persians.

Something like that.

[Seal]

Quote: garnik

But the Americans will certainly if, with the help of Russia, Ar.tsakh passes into the possession of the so-called Azerbaijan.

Threaten? Us? Well, by the way, I always told you that no matter how you would be a “pro-Russian” Armenian, you would not expose yourself - for you, all the same, the interests of Armenia are in the first place. And Armenia, I remind you, is still not Russia.
But, the most interesting thing is that if what you write about happens - if Azerbaijan restores its de facto jurisdiction in Karabakh, and for this a US base appears in Armenia - it will be for our benefit.
Since the US base in Armenia does not threaten us in any way. The US base in Armenia is a threat primarily to Iran. And secondly, this is a huge and annoying nuisance for Turkey. And in some ways, even a threat to Turkey.
Both are good for us. For the worse the US has relations with Iran and Turkey, the better the relations between Iran and Turkey (and Azerbaijan) with us.
So, God forbid, that what you wrote about will come true.

[zugunder12]

Quote: Seal

Quote: garnik

But the Americans will certainly if, with the help of Russia, Ar.tsakh passes into the possession of the so-called Azerbaijan.

Threaten? Us? Well, by the way, I always told you that no matter how you would be a “pro-Russian” Armenian, you would not expose yourself - for you, all the same, the interests of Armenia are in the first place. And Armenia, I remind you, is still not Russia.
But, the most interesting thing is that if what you write about happens - if Azerbaijan restores its de facto jurisdiction in Karabakh, and for this a US base appears in Armenia - it will be for our benefit.
Since the US base in Armenia does not threaten us in any way. The US base in Armenia is a threat primarily to Iran. And secondly, this is a huge and annoying nuisance for Turkey. And in some ways, even a threat to Turkey.
Both are good for us. For the worse the US has relations with Iran and Turkey, the better the relations between Iran and Turkey (and Azerbaijan) with us.
So, God forbid, that what you wrote about will come true.

It is not surprising that the dude under the nickname of American commandos (seal) argues that it would be great for Russia if Russia withdrew its bases from Armenia and instead of them the Americans set up their bases in Armenia. Whose mill do you pour water on, dear? Dreams of idiots sometimes come true, but everyone will benefit from this, but not the Russian Federation.

[garnik]

Where did you see the threat to you Azerbaijanis ..

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Brut

Page not found.

This is the answer for your link.

It’s too much to carry such a stupid lie. I understand that you need to work out your salary, but not so low.

https://altervision.org/2018/05/pervy-m-ukazom-no
vogo-prem-era-armenii-stal-perenos-dnya-pobedy-na
-8-maya / Did not find that link - it happens, it’s hard to search in Google, letters do not print - here is another link - working ...

[Brut]

ALL premiere decrees are on the official website. So there is no need for such low-quality propaganda.

[zugunder12]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Quote: Brut

Page not found.

This is the answer for your link.

It’s too much to carry such a stupid lie. I understand that you need to work out your salary, but not so low.

https://altervision.org/2018/05/pervy-m-ukazom-no
vogo-prem-era-armenii-stal-perenos-dnya-pobedy-na
-8-maya / Did not find that link - it happens, it’s hard to search in Google, letters do not print - here is another link - working ...

Today, all Azerbaijani BOTS are connected, they give idiotic links to cheap websites that don’t open. I respect other people's labor, but, alas, you are doing manure scattering, not useful work.

[garnik]

And this link to the link is endless.

[tap]

"So the ball is on the field of the Armenian side and you should not reinvent the wheel." Some kind of cyclobal ...

[Seal]

Quote: Zugunder12

Engage in provocations

One who is engaged in provocations, you can see in the mirror. Every morning. When shaving. If you shave, of course. How many times have I noted the national Armenian habit of hiding behind someone. You say to the Armenians that the Armenians commit many crimes in Russia, and you answered: "And the Azerbaijanis have 0,1% more crimes !!!". It is as if the fact that someone has a percent more crimes gives the Armenians indulgence from mentioning Armenian crime. Yes, let them have at least 10% of crimes will be more. To us as "friends" and "allies", after all, they are not stuffed, but you !!! Is there a difference between Armenians and Azerbaijanis ???
You are told that the Molokans are being expelled from Armenia. And you ...... and the Molokans were cut out in Turkey.
It is as if the fact that the Molokans were cut out in Turkey at the beginning of the 20th century frees the Armenians from responsibility for the expulsion of the Molokans in the late 20th and early 21st centuries from Armenia.

[zugunder12]

Quote: Seal

Quote: Zugunder12

Engage in provocations

One who is engaged in provocations, you can see in the mirror. Every morning. When shaving. If you shave, of course. How many times have I noted the national Armenian habit of hiding behind someone. You say to the Armenians that the Armenians commit many crimes in Russia, and you answered: "And the Azerbaijanis have 0,1% more crimes !!!". It is as if the fact that someone has a percent more crimes gives the Armenians indulgence from mentioning Armenian crime. Yes, let them have at least 10% of crimes will be more. To us as "friends" and "allies", after all, they are not stuffed, but you !!! Is there a difference between Armenians and Azerbaijanis ???
You are told that the Molokans are being expelled from Armenia. And you ...... and the Molokans were cut out in Turkey.
It is as if the fact that the Molokans were cut out in Turkey at the beginning of the 20th century frees the Armenians from responsibility for the expulsion of the Molokans in the late 20th and early 21st centuries from Armenia.

I will answer briefly on the idiotic accusations of Armenians of expelling Russian sectarians - provide links to reputable newspapers and the site. Only, chur, not to the ones that the Azerbaijani bots give today, trying to prove the unprovable. Until then, I will consider you a provocateur and a scoundrel.

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

You are told that Molokan expelled from Armenia. And you ...... and the Molokans were cut out in Turkey.

Is there any evidence, or again "most likely"?

[Seal]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

But is it serious for Turkey? Monaco also may have territorial claims against France, so what?

Monaco has no territorial claims against France.
In fact, Turkey does not care about the claims of the Armenians. But Turkey’s awareness of the fact that Armenia has territorial claims against Turkey is far from appeasing to Turkey itself.
Doesn’t the fact that Ukraine has territorial claims against us in Crimea hurt you at all?
But Ukraine extends its territorial claims not only to the Crimea, but also to the Kuban. Don't you care too?

[shirkoled]

Who did the Armenians believe in? Nicole has no stake or yard! Behind the term for a hooligan, and he was pulled into power there. He rules, the Armenians will not rake to the end of the world !!!

[Seal]

Quote: icant007

Far from it, I very well imagine. I looked at many ancient maps of the world. But just an attempt to restore historical states within the ancient borders is a way to nowhere.

This is true. It should only be realized that the oldest of the maps that have survived to the New Age in the original is the Catalan Atlas of the world dating from 1375. AD, of course. All other so-called "ancient maps" appeared in the Middle Ages from nowhere. Everyone has a standard story about an ancient original allegedly found in some monastery, printed a map from it, after which no one has ever met the same “original”. Therefore, even if there was an original, which should be barely distinguishable, written in a language that is not difficult to understand, it’s difficult to understand, not the fact that everything was painted and written on it, as depicted and written on a map, supposedly with of this "original" printed.

[icant007]

I completely agree with you. Forgot to put the "ancient" in quotation marks. I did not appeal to the old maps, as to the truth in the primary instance.

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

So well done Turks that in the first Chechen Chechens helped?

Well, you have your own, Armenian logic. According to this Armenian logic, there may be well done.
And in our opinion, it’s certainly bad that they helped. But why helped, alas, is understandable.

[zugunder12]

Quote: Seal

Quote: Brut

So well done Turks that in the first Chechen Chechens helped?

Well, you have your own, Armenian logic. According to this Armenian logic, there may be well done.
And in our opinion, it’s certainly bad that they helped. But why helped, alas, is understandable.

If you follow your sick logic, if there weren’t a Russian base in Armenia, then the Turks would kiss the Russians’s ass all your life. You need to be treated, you just need treatment.

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

Well, you have your own, Armenian logic. According to this Armenian logic, there may be well done.

What would you say about logic ... this is your phrase: "the Turks shot down only the plane itself," so you answered me about the Russian combat aircraft shot down by the Turks performing a combat mission. By my logic, this is an act of aggression, and according to yours, the "Turks shot down only the plane itself," so please keep silent about the logic.

[Yeraz]

Well, what did Pashinyan say new ?? The Karabakh issue will move exactly in the same direction as before.

[Seal]

Quote: icant007

Armenia is not the only example of mono-ethnicity - Poland, Albania .....

In Poland, the factor of the First World War and especially the Second World War should be taken into account.
The Poles do not deny that after the end of World War II they forcibly deported about a million Germans to Germany. And another two million Germans fled, fled themselves, during the offensive of our troops (and the Polish Army).
Of the 1939 million Jews living in Poland at the beginning of September 3,3, 2,8 million were killed during the war, i.e. 85%
And after the war in Poland there was a series of Jewish pogroms in which Jews who survived in German concentration camps were killed. After these Jewish pogroms, almost all the remaining Jews left Poland.
The Ukrainian and Belarusian population of Poland with the USSR officially changed. Those who considered themselves Poles moved from Poland to territories of the USSR, and the Ukrainian and Byelorussian population were exported from Poland to Ukraine and Belarus.

There were massive evacuations from the Kingdom of Poland to the First World War. Mostly Russians were leaving.

In Albania, Albanians themselves account for 82,6% of the population. Against 98,8% of the titular population among Armenians.

[icant007]

Quote: Seal

And after the war in Poland there was a series of Jewish pogroms in which Jews who survived in German concentration camps were killed. After these Jewish pogroms, almost all the remaining Jews left Poland.

You know, according to my feelings, in Poland there are still a lot of Jews left. I really was there a long time ago - already 30 years ago.
Despite the officer. statistics at 98 percent for the Poles.
It’s just that they were so assimilated with the Poles that it’s not clear where the Jew is and where the Pole

[Seal]

Quote: Zugunder12

On whose mill do you pour water, dear?

Exclusively on ours, on Russian !!!!
Do you actually have anything to object to? I understand that you (voluntarily or involuntarily) are fulfilling the task set by the States - to show Turkey with all your strength that Armenia is a great friend and ally of Russia so that, God forbid, not leave NATO.
But besides your naked rejection of facts and logic, you should have the arguments.
And without arguments, your Western curators will not pay you

[Butchcassidy]

The reaction of the Azerbaijani side, from my point of view, is not a reaction in essence, but a kind of intermediate stage. In the understanding of the Azerbaijani side, "do not repeat the mistakes of the previous leadership" is a usual statement from Baku, followed by a position in which Yerevan is invited to make concessions.

However, the position expressed by Pashinyan about the need to involve Stepanakert in the negotiations was actually left without assessment by H. Hajiyev. Obviously, the question, as they say, is “not for his salary,” and the position of the Baku Foreign Ministry on this issue will be worked out after consultations with the leadership of Az.R.

From my point of view, leaving Stepanakert’s negotiation process was Yerevan’s mistake and on this basis allowed Baku to make a statement about Stepanakert’s lack of subjectivity, although the ceasefire agreement of 1994 was commissioned by both Heydar Aliyev and Yerevan, both with Yerevan and Stepanakert , i.e. it is obvious that the subjectivity of Stepanakert at the stage of warfare was unconditionally recognized by Baku.

[sogdy]

icant007,

Quote: icant007

Do you want to hear Baku Russian?

Highly. No bulldozer.

[icant007]

Well ask Born in Lankaran in 1975. He lived in Baku 79-81, 88-91.
During the Armenian pogroms in January 1990, they went to the cinema with the father in the city center. Like in Araz. It was quiet and calm. Even the patrol of the internal troops of 2 soldiers and an officer was without weapons, only with batons.
We learned about the pogroms in the evening on TV.

[kotdavin4i]

I was born in 1978 and still live here - the site guards know me - they won’t let me lie (according to the father of Malokan) - there weren’t any problems in 91 even now.

[icant007]

Very nice, we will be friends

[garnik]

Are you laughing

Black January (Azeri Qara Yanvar) or Bloody January (Azeri Qanlı Yanvar) - suppression of political opposition by units of the Soviet Army on the night of January 20, 1990 in the capital of the Azerbaijan SSR - the city of Baku, which ended in the deaths of more than a hundred civilians, mainly Azerbaijanis [4]. The protests of the Azerbaijani opposition were preceded by violence against the Armenian population of Baku.from Wiki.

[icant007]

What am I laughing at? Well, yes, I know that there were pogroms in the city. But in that part of the city where I was was quietly calm. Neither the police nor the flashing lights - quiet. When they came home in the evening and watched TV, looked at each other in surprise.
And the shooting went on the night from 19 to 20 almost a week later.
And at the same time, Armenian militants raged on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border and in Karabakh, well, also on the border with Nakhichevan and on the Meghrinsky section of the railway.

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

ALL premiere decrees are on the official website. So there is no need for such low-quality propaganda.

A rare case when I agree with you. Speech about this decree of the Chairman of the Government of Armenia is growing from the Ukrainian news agency Ua .. something is there.
It is not a fact that the Prime Minister generally has the right to issue decrees.
Decrees are usually the prerogative of presidents, not prime ministers.

But ... but, nevertheless, perhaps there is no smoke without fire. Theoretically, maybe it was just a statement by Pashinyan? And not even an official statement, but simply a statement. In any case, in less than a year we will all see ....

[Brut]

Quote: Seal

Theoretically, maybe it was just a statement by Pashinyan?

Wow, you can ask questions, and not just make "scientific" statements? Or all the same mixed up punctuation marks?
Nevertheless, if I have a question, I’ll answer: we have a triple holiday on May 9, and if Pashinyan made such a statement, it would immediately spread to the local media, and we have a lot of them.

[Yujanin]

icant007,

Do you want to hear Baku Russian?

Among my friends there are Russians. There is also a desire to meet new ones.

[icant007]

No question, have a smoke?

[Yujanin]

No question, have a smoke?

Haha smoked such) They went on sale after the tobacco crisis. Remember the difference between the filter of this cigarette from the previous ones?)

[icant007]

Nope, I didn’t smoke them. When I was in Baku, I was still a schoolboy, I did not dabble. And in adulthood for 8 years I do not smoke

[Seal]

Quote: icant007

Stop speculating on genocide

I absolutely agree that all these requirements for the recognition of "genocide" and the "recognition" themselves are just political games. Moreover, indirectly directed against us, Russia. Well, or so to speak, directed "with a margin" against us.
Looking at its neighbors rushing around the world with the idea of ​​the Armenian "genocide", the Parliament of Georgia on Friday, May 20, 2011 adopted a resolution recognizing the genocide of the Circassians by the Russian Empire during the war in the Caucasus.
Then, most likely, this so-called "Circassian genocide" is recognized by Ukraine. There are prerequisites for this. So on June 16, 2014, the leader of the Radical Party Lyashko announced the registration in the Verkhovna Rada of the draft resolution “On the recognition of the genocide of the Circassians, carried out by the Russian tsars and their troops in the 10th and XNUMXth centuries”. There are still all kinds of “public organizations” that have also recognized the “Circassian genocide”. A lot of people in the world want us, Russia, to recognize the "genocide of the Chechens". And then these recognition of the "Circassian genocide" and the "genocide of the Chechens" around the world will be trampled on exponentially - if only we could spoof it. Balts recognize immediately. Ukrainians - those already XNUMX years old demand that we repent of the genocide of Ukrainians in the form of the so-called "famine".
Or 100 of these genocides must be recognized at once. Both the genocide of the Indians by Anglo-Saxons and Spaniards, and the genocide of blacks in Africa by the Germans, Portuguese, Anglo-Saxons and French, and the genocide of the Armenians by the Turks, and the genocide of the Armenians by the Armenians, and the genocide of the Kurds and Kurds by the Armenians, and the genocide Australians by Anglo-Saxons, and the genocide of the Vietnamese by the Americans, and the genocide of the Philistines by the Jews, and the genocide of the Trojans by the Greeks, and the genocide of the Hurrit by the Armenians, and the genocide of the Mamelukes by the French, and the genocide of us, Russians, Germans, and the genocide of the Chinese by the Japanese, and the genocide of the Chinese by Tibet and dozens and dozens of genocides. So that no one would be offended that his genocide was “forgotten”.
By the way, the deportation of Armenians (and Greeks) from Crimea in 1778 by A.V. Suvorov, during which about half of the resettled Armenians died, including the main Armenian Crimean Metropolitan Petros, some Armenians also began to call "genocide."

[icant007]

Quote: Seal

By the way, the deportation of Armenians (and Greeks) from Crimea in 1778 by A.V. Suvorov, during which about half of the resettled Armenians died, including the main Armenian Crimean Metropolitan Petros, some Armenians also began to call "genocide."

Well this is unlikely. It is believed that Suvorov has Armenian roots too Therefore, I do not see the prospects for the genocide of this historical event.

[Seal]

Quote: Zugunder12

if there wouldn’t be a Russian base in Armenia, then the Turks would kiss the ass of the Russians all their lives

Well, I can not and will not argue with you about kissing asses. Unlike you, apparently a great specialist in this business, I have no experience kissing asses.
But, nevertheless, I believe that the Turks would not kiss our ass. But I also believe that many misunderstandings and misunderstandings between our countries could be avoided.

[Seal]

Quote: garnik

You stepped over the red line. You do not bend the Turks.

Well, the hackneyed record that the opponent of the Turks turned on again. By the way, why are the Turks now? You used to call me Azeri?
Well, this is a national Armenian disease, everyone who disagrees with them is called Turks or Azerbaijanis.
About the red line. You are so mired in a lie that you have become color blind long ago. And do not distinguish colors. Therefore, green seems red to you.
Again. Even the senior researcher at the Institute of History of the NAS RA, Doctor of Historical Sciences G. S. Avramyan, calculated that the number of Armenians drafted to the front from the USSR could not exceed 370 thousand.
I have shown you convincingly that this figure is too high.
Do you have any evidence of your fantastic numbers? As usual, "I swear by my mother who worked that ..."
Well, your mother worked, well, they called on your dad ..... is that proof? These are special cases that quite fit into the figures I have quoted.
The dissertation of KHACHATRYAN GOAR AGAYEKOVNA "INDUSTRY AND WORKING CLASS OF ARMENIA IN THE YEAR OF THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR" says that:

"The republic’s industry also provided the front with clothing, uniforms, knitwear, 53 types of products. And if the results of the republic are in the field of arms and ammunition production were modest, then in the field of issuing uniforms and clothing items were different. A significant part of these products was produced in the republic throughout the war. "

And on what specific production did your mother work? If on sewing or knitting - it is quite logical. If you say chemical or metalworking - 99% of what you lied here.
So, where is the information of the Armenian military registration and enlistment offices about the call of Armenians to the front, even from Armenia itself? The front did not reach Armenia. Armenia was not bombed. So all the archives of the Armenian military commissariats should have survived. Where are they ??? Why do you have again only one blah blah blah ???

[icant007]

Quote: Seal

Well, this is a national Armenian disease, everyone who disagrees with them is called Turks or Azerbaijanis.

More Persians, Kavturki, Zavturka, etc.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Yujanin,

Quote: Yujanin

I would like to hear the opinion of Baku Armenians at the forum.

According to my observations, the Baku Armenians curse the Miatsum people and dream of returning to Baku.

You would be very disappointed if you heard that your Baku people, in a coupe with south Azerbaijanis, are writing about the current audience who usurped power in the wonderful city of BakuNashKyand.

[Seal]

Quote: Zugunder12

Until then, I will consider you a provocateur and a scoundrel.

Yesterday the dog barked at me. A year ago, a macaque grimaced before me at the zoo and also yelled something. Maybe they consider me as someone? Me, that they too take offense? If you take offense at everyone who barks, there will not be enough nerves. So that I do not care who and whom you will consider.
Nevertheless, about the evidence base.
Is this one for you? http://kavkaztimes.com/?p=5140
Or here.
However, according to this source (written approximately in 2006-2007)
http://lratvakan.com/news/71252.html

half of the Russian diaspora of Armenia are Molokans. Of these, 1500 people live in Violetovo, a thousand in Lermontovo, 300-350 in Vanadzor (formerly Kirovakan).

We will consider, as it is written, that in total in Armenia there are about 5 thousand people of the Molokan religion. That is, if the Molokans are half and there are 5 thousand of them, it means that already then, in 2006-2007. there were a maximum of ours in Armenia - 10 thousand people (a 1979-fold decrease by 7). Now (2011), most likely now of us, Russians, or rather, Russian-speakers, there are about 6 thousand people in Armenia. The decrease compared to 1979 is almost 12 times.
Who can be a greater specialist in Molokans than the executive director of the public organization “Fund for Assistance and Assistance to Russian Compatriots in Armenia” Ivan Semenov ???

[Seal]

Here's another.
http://www.molokane.org/places/FSU/Armenia/2007_D
ec_Last_Molokans.html
What is interesting here.
“I love Molokan cucumbers,” says Ashot, a buyer. Their goods are always fresh, and the women themselves are friendly. Treat, do not cheat. It's nice to look at such people: they are always dressed in clean, ironed clothes. But mostly Yerevanians take from their own Armenians. Not because of nationalism - because of friendly feelings, they want to help friends and acquaintances. ”
Well, we will consider that not because of nationalism. Although for the Molokans it was indifferent.

Olga not so long ago married a Molokan, but urban. Lives now in Yerevan. There are not many Molokans in the city - several hundred. All in all, in Armenia - more than five thousand.

Again, the figure of 5 thousand. And in Yerevan - only a few (how many is a few? Well, probably 2-3 hundred) hundreds.

Next.
http://molokans.info/bibliography/publications/mo
lokanstvo-v-ukraine-rossii-i-ne-tolko-ot-istorii-
puti-k-verbal-nosti
What is interesting here? Well...

During the collection of ethnographic material in Armenia (2011), communicating with the Head of the village administration in s. Shorzha of the Republic of Armenia S. Sh. Shushanyan told us that Molokans, the Erzya, have long lived in Shorzha. In 1992, we traveled across Russia, including the city of Salsk, Rostov Region, but they all keep in close contact with each other

Hmm, here the expression "Molokans - Erzya have long lived in Shorzh" should be understood as "Molokans - Erzya have long lived in Shorzh." But in 1992, everyone left.

[Alex1117]

Something is wrong. If you add all the numbers Semenov, then 5 thousand is not typed. Look: 1500 + 1000+ 350 = 2850. Well, let's add a few hundred that are in Yerevan. Well let it be 4 hundreds. Total 3250. Even if somewhere else in Armenia a couple of hundred and a half Molokans lived, then all the same it will not be 5 thousand, but only 3 and a half thousand. Here is 3500 - this is half of the entire Russian-speaking population of Armenia for the required period. So, the entire population = 7000 people.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Yujanin,
Here is the opinion of the Baku Armenian, whose ancestors are from Garabagh! My Surname is well-known in Azerbaijan! I can enter into a polemic with you to prove who I am on facts! And so, catch. Whatever you bargained with the current regime in Yerevan, Such as I never !!! We will not be with you in the same state education. If necessary, I will be back! That would again instruct you with a weapon. And remember Never !!! We will not be together. If necessary, we will shed Your and Our Blood to prove it. I have passed more than one hot spot. I have nothing to lose except My Liberty.

[23424636]

as Prokhanov wrote, “Zakharova at some banquet,” she shouted, “Armavir (the secret capital of Great Armenia) was with you. Therefore, the Bachin commissars are very worried that they can be sent home to Turkmenistan when Pashinyan starts moving to the sea — everyone’s secret dream good Erivan

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: 23424636

as Prokhanov-Zakharova wrote at a banquet

Notably, sat to see.

Quote: 23424636

(the secret capital of Great Armenia)

Wow, conspiracy theology, you see you enter the High Cabins if you have the protocols of the Sevan Sages (if you do not understand the anology, I will explain), by secret annexation of the territory of the Union State.

Quote: 23424636

Bachin commissars

I can’t decipher you. I see that your curators are in solidarity with me. They celebrated the May Holidays, otherwise your not articulate, meaningless sets of Bukoff, no way to explain. Mikoyan, you would have been “pinned down” for the Bachin commissars!

[Seal]

Quote: icant007

Well this is unlikely.

You are welcome. Armenian magazine "Noah's Ark".
http://noev-kovcheg.ru/mag/2012-02/3039.html

Quote: icant007

It is believed that Suvorov also has Armenian roots wink Therefore, I do not see the prospects of genocide of this historical event.

This opinion is utter nonsense. It is based only on the coincidence of the sound of surnames.
The mother of Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov - Manukov Avdotya Fedoseevna, has nothing to do with the Armenians. Her father (grandfather of Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov) - Manukov Feodosiy Semenovich - RUSSIAN. He was born tentatively until 1660. He died before 1739. In the sovereign service since 1679. He works as a scribe of the Local Order. Since 1690 - the uplifting of the Local Order. From 1699 to 1708 - clerk of the same order. In 1704, on behalf of Peter I, he was engaged in the census of the yards and peasants of Moscow County. From 1708 to 1711 - Landrat (elected representative) from the nobility of the Luga district in the St. Petersburg provincial office. In 1709-1710 he keeps records of the labor force employed in the construction of St. Petersburg. In the years 1710-1711, by decree of Peter I, he describes the Ingermanlad province according to natural boundaries (in other words, compiles a physical map of the region). From 1711 to 1719 - landrichter of the St. Petersburg province. And those Manukians, from whom the Armenian-Russian Manukovs came, appeared in Russia at the beginning of the 19th century. If you do not know, then I explain that the founder of the Manukyan (Manukov) family is Manuk-bey Mirzoyan (born in 1769, died in 1817).
http://noev-kovcheg.ru/mag/2010-11/2259.html
Prior to moving to Russia Manuk-bey-Mirzoyan, there were no Manukovs in Russia at all. Not even in Turkey. There were Mirzoyans. So how could the mother of Alexander Vasilievich be an Armenian-Manukova if the Mirzoyans at that time still did not think to move to Russia and become Manukov?

[icant007]

You do not save this information for me. And for representatives of sunny Armenia. I do not argue with you. Armenians simply have such an opinion.

[Seal]

Quote: garnik

Just on the border of Armenia with Turkey, Georgian national units were located.

The numbers of the Georgian national units located on the border of Armenia (and not even Armenia, but the Armenian SSR) with Turkey are in the studio !!!

[Seal]

Quote: garnik

Today, 15: 06 Are you turkish do not go too far.

Today you have the most active struggle between the hemispheres of your brain?

Quote: garnik

Today, 15:20 Where did you see the threat to you Azerbaijanis..

Maybe take off your pants so that more oxygen enters the hemispheres of your brain?

[Monarchist]

Quote: Yujanin

I would like to hear the opinion of Baku Armenians at the forum.

According to my observations, the Baku Armenians curse the Miatsum people and dream of returning to Baku.

I don’t want to offend anyone, but after your words: “they dream of returning to Baku” I remembered once when there was a song in the Reich about blacks who dream of the Reich

[Monarchist]

Quote: kotdavin4i

I was born in 1978 and still live here - the site guards know me - they won’t let me lie (according to the father of Malokan) - there weren’t any problems in 91 even now.

I can’t see from here who your father is, and you can’t see who my father is, but I’ll say that he’s a Capoblanca and you’ll believe it. Joke

[avt]

Vladimir Ter-Odiyants,

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Along the way, Humpbacked’s life blinded you. To see that you are from a galaxy of users to whom impunity gives courage. In communication with the opponent gives confidence to the Distance.

And in the “dashing” or “saints” of the 90s, you had to fall under the lads, or under a cop’s boot, in order to present it. Or are you just trying to show off your naked show off?

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

The army is not the same, and the Fleet is not the same. Yes, and there is no such country with such an Emperor.

Wai Mae! Azohenway! And the boys didn’t even know that they weren’t there! Don’t worry, we weren’t buried like that, but we live, and neither do you

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

, the existence and centuries-old struggle of My People, which some cannot boast of. In the absence of such!

We don’t interfere with the fight or get into trouble. Your business is independent. For a sinner, this is violet in the face. Well, if you want specifics.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: avt

the choice of the 90s had to fall under the brothers

I had to shed the blood of the enemy.

Quote: avt

phallus

Apparently, they are not indifferent to ... designs. Congratulations on that. You!!! Enjoy.

[avt]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

I had to shed the blood of the enemy.

Oh, don't lie! You are lying to the king!

Well, I don’t believe that the one who got into trouble, even as part of the regular army, expressed himself so pathetically about himself. It’s more like “Town”, where Soyanov scattered a piece of paper in the kitchen and - “I’m writing to you mom on the armor of a burning tank.”

[garnik]

Bakht,
Ter-Petrosyan generally wanted to surrender everything, while Sargsyan was ready to surrender 5 districts for recognition of Artsakh. I was afraid to say the truth out loud. The people of Artsakh themselves are categorically against any concessions.

[vladimirasha]

Gentlemen, the Armenians sold you for the promise of a good life without Russia. Well, it’s your choice, but Karabakh is unlikely to want to go back to Azerbaijan. Prepare your ardent youth for a big war. Turkey will also remind you of the genocide of 1915. Or rather, it will make you forget about him. To put the loudmouths bought by Soros into this war first to fight. This is a surprise for you from rich American relatives, I think they also helped here, or rather through them.

[icant007]

Water wears away stones. Need to work.
Another frightening thing is that the formation of the Russian school of Oriental studies (I mean mainly the Caucasus and the Middle East) was significantly influenced by immigrants from Armenia for obvious reasons.
If there is now an active distortion of the modern history of Armenian-Azerbaijani relations and its propaganda in a pro-Armenian vein, then how can we trust the history of the Caucasus of ancient centuries.
How many seeds of interethnic hostility were sown in the past.

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

I’ll tell you a secret: mathematics is an exact science and there is no “most likely” in it.

I'll tell you an even bigger secret. Mathematics is an exact science when it has the ability to operate with exact numbers. And when there are no exact numbers, then there is no exact mathematics.
After all, as I understand it, you don’t want to open the data of your Armenian military registration and enlistment offices, right? The front did not reach Armenia; Armenia was not even bombed. This means that all archives about those called up for military service during the Great Patriotic War must be preserved. So why has none of the Armenians ever provided accurate data on the number of conscripts from the territory of the Armenian SSR with reference to accurate data from military commissariats?

That is why it is necessary to write that “Approximately 150-170 thousand were called up.”

[Brut]

At first:

Quote: Seal

Quote: Brut
How did you find that?
Elementary. With the help of numbers and normal, not Armenian, arithmetic.

Later:

Quote: Seal

Quote: Brut
I’ll tell you a secret: mathematics is an exact science and there is no “most likely” in it.
I'll tell you an even bigger secret. Mathematics is an exact science when it has the ability to operate with exact numbers. And when there are no exact numbers, then there is no exact mathematics.

Well, if there is no exact data, do not use mathematics as proof. You have no logical train of thought at all, you are driven only by Armenophobia.

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

your phrase: “the Turks only shot down the plane itself”

My. And I will repeat it. Only in full context, and not as you quote, taking the phrase out of context.

Search Google for "Lieutenant Shapovalov did not betray his weapons." And what ? Turkey apologized and offered compensation to the family of our deceased pilot, although formally the Turks only shot down the plane itself, from which our pilots (both) successfully ejected over Syrian territory. And these people didn’t even reprimand any of their own for Lieutenant Shapovalov’s group without reprimanding them. Well, it goes without saying that they still don’t even think about apologizing. And yet they're like, "our best friends and allies."

I reminded you that, unlike the Turks, who themselves formally did not even hit any of the pilots, but who after half a year brought us an official apology, the Armenians have not been able to apologize for their vile shooting of our five paratroopers for more than 25 years. More precisely, they can, of course, but refuse on principle. Considering that Armenian servicemen had the right to shoot our servicemen.

[Seal]

Quote: Brut

if Pashinyan had made such a statement, it would have instantly gone viral in the local media, and we have a lot of them.

Since, as I understand it, the main primary source of this information was the Ukrainian media, one could assume that the statement was made face-to-face in a conversation with one of the Ukrainians. Well, at least with the Ukrainian ambassador, for example.

[Brut]

Here one comrade talked about a Soviet political officer who could immediately, without preparation, “justify” even a tactical nuclear strike on his troops.

I remembered something.

[icant007]

Brut,
And you continue to leave the impression of a person who puts his nationality above others.