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Shooting in the educational institution of the Novosibirsk region. There are victims

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From the Novosibirsk region come news about shooting at one of the local schools. This is the Barabinsk branch of the Novosibirsk college named after N. Lunin (college of transport technologies). Information Agency TASS reports that one of the students brought a hunting rifle to the college building and, putting it on alert in the toilet of the educational institution, went into the audience and opened fire.


Shooting in the educational institution of the Novosibirsk region. There are victims


A fellow student of the gunman was injured. Several people in a panic began to jump into the windows of the study room. According to information published in the social network, two people broke limbs during the jump.

It is reported that after the shots of fellow students 16-year-old young man committed suicide.

From the message of the local administration:
The head of the Novosibirsk region, Andrei Travnikov, urgently left for the Barabinsk district, where this morning a tragedy occurred in the Barabinsk branch of the Novosibirsk College of Transport Technologies named after ON. Lunin A first-year student injured a fellow student during class, after which he committed suicide.


Specialists from the juvenile affairs inspectorate work at the site.

Eyewitnesses claim that the young man, before starting shooting, shouted words of praise to Hitler, as well as the phrase "I hate you!"

Unfortunately, the number of attacks by schoolchildren and students on their own peers and on teachers has been growing recently. In this regard, clearly the question arises again about the degree of effectiveness of the protection of educational institutions. Also, questions arise again to the education system not only in educational institutions, but also in the family.

The investigation finds out where the young man took the gunshot weapon.
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  1. tasha
    tasha 10 May 2018 09: 37
    +29
    In this regard, the question again clearly arises of the degree of effectiveness of the protection of educational institutions.

    There aren’t enough guards throughout the country ... We have to deal with the reasons.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 10 May 2018 09: 42
      +6
      Barabinsk is the former largest nodal station, the site of the famous "shackle path." Now even the station restaurant was closed there due to the lack of passengers.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 10 May 2018 10: 01
        +12
        Eyewitnesses claim that the young man shouted words of praise at Hitler, as well as the phrase "I hate you!" Before starting the shooting.

        The 16-year-old student has a clear aggravation of the falsely historically educated "youthful maximalism" after the May 9 - Victory Parade and Memory March throughout the country and abroad. In his head, the pattern clearly broke from the scale in the country of celebration by the people and the authorities of Victory Day! Yes, and the psyche of the young man is clearly also not all right.

        And the point here is not only in the family, but also in the education and training of Russian and world history in a Russian school.
        What is a sin to conceal? Let’s recall the schoolboy Kolya Desyatnichenko from Novy Urengoy with his performance in the German Bundestag!

        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 10 May 2018 10: 23
          +3
          Free access to nationalist propaganda on the Internet + unstable children's psyche, aggravated by a tendency to extreme judgments - these are the main reasons. No changes in education, without exception of the first factor, will save us from such imbecile antics from the youth.
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 10 May 2018 10: 30
            +9
            Quote: Alex-a832
            Free access to nationalist propaganda on the Internet + unstable children's psyche,

            Why go far? You can find a lot of sayings on the site every day, which are essentially fascist: cut all enemies, hang them, we are the best in the world, exceptional, etc.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 10 May 2018 10: 51
              +9
              Quote: Normal ok
              Why go far? You can find a lot of sayings on the site every day, which are essentially fascist: cut all enemies, hang them, we are the best in the world, exceptional, etc.

              This your comparison is logically absolutely incorrect!

              This is your explicit search of anti-Soviet nihilism towards a Russophobic world aggressor and usurper in power when he builds his "new - transatlantic - world order" for Russia on the part of Washington globalists.

              Do not confuse the defense of the Fatherland with the aggression of the invader of the victim country! Or do you offer the victim to irresponsibly turn his second cheek to the aggressor for a blow?

              Nihilism (from the Latin. Nihil - nothing) - a worldview position that calls into question (in its extreme form absolutely denying) generally accepted values, ideals, norms of morality, culture
              1. parma
                parma 10 May 2018 11: 55
                +5
                Even in your posts, Tatyana, very often a lot of chauvinism ... Of course you can continue to talk about your incredible patriotism, but this is not so ... You see everywhere the omnipresent hand of the Zhidomasons and reptilians ... These are they, damned Americans raised a ghoul, it was they who developed the system of upbringing and education of our country, in the end, it was he who took a gun from them ....
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 10 May 2018 12: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: parma
                  Even in your posts, Tatyana, very often a lot of chauvinism ... Of course you can continue to talk about your incredible patriotism, but this is not so ... You see everywhere the ubiquitous hand of the Zhidomasons and reptilians ...

                  parma (I don’t know your name, patronymic)! But you cannot even leave me alone on holidays! Don't you have anyone else to talk to? Do not look for a speck in someone else's eye when there is a log in the eye itself!
                  I just looked at your comments on the site. It is not surprising that you were irritated by my commentary mentioning the historically inadequate performance of schoolchildren from N. Urengoy in the German Bundestag.
                  By the way, for some reason, you didn’t check in on the site on Victory Day on 9 May! Although the visits of participants with congratulations to the defenders of the country during the Second World War was a sea!
                  Yes! The inadequate performance in Germany of schoolchildren from N. Urengoy is to a large extent their teacher in gymnasium No. 1. Are you probably a teacher too?
                  It’s them, damned Americans who raised a ghoul, it’s they who developed the system of upbringing and education of our country,
                  What, don't you?
                  Did not the globalist Soros intervene in the school system in the USSR / Russia with the goal of its liberal slaughter reform under Gorbachev in 1986? Soros!
                  And what we now have in Russian education is the merit of Soros! And Russian education did not fall apart only contrary to the efforts of those who understand that the education of the younger generation is not just human personal capital, it is also the productive power of society and the country!
                  1. parma
                    parma 11 May 2018 08: 44
                    0
                    Everything is clear with you Tatyana ... Just I don’t understand. Do you use flare for the purpose of propaganda and dusting the brains of people for ZP or just for likes? I've also read your comments on the site, and the same thing is everywhere in this thread ... There is no justification and evidence, except for your opinion and appeal to stereotypes ...
                    As an example, this article - an abnormal person started shooting, and you see the pens of the evil Zhidomasons everywhere ... You are told that you are an obvious chauvinist, and you remember right away on May 9, they say, holy thing, don’t dare teach me to not be a chauvinist on this day (even the line with fascism is very thin) ... And you speak phenomenally below about fascism ... Unfortunately for you, fascism is not the death of German soldiers in the Crimea in a battle with Soviet soldiers ... Change the training manual ... Well or read, there were articles on the resource about clumsy propaganda in the USSR and do not repeat mistakes, maybe the RFP will be raised for posts ...
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 11 May 2018 10: 04
                      0
                      parma! It’s all clear to me with you too! You are spinning in a polemic, like in a frying pan! Liberally pretend that beyond your nose you see nothing. In the polemic, you use sophism - logical errors or deliberate tricks to prove that you are allegedly right, and at the same time you hang on your liberal propaganda. The history of the USSR is for you an unhappy - black - streak in your life and, apparently, the life of your relatives. You are ready to refuse from the SOVIET history of your Homeland - and, in fact, have liberally refused.
                      That's why the cries of the 16-year-old student
                      before starting the shooting, the young man shouted out words of praise at Hitler, as well as the phrase “I hate you!”
                      You do not see any ideological and political liberal background!
                      Methodological connection of determinism - i.e. the logical connection between cause and effect - you have not only been broken, but you are trying to consciously ignore it.
                      Even the pictures of great artists do not help you talk about the truth of things! Not a word or art reaches you - nothing comes!

                      Quote: parma
                      Everything is clear with you Tatyana ... Just I don’t understand. Do you use flare for the purpose of propaganda and dusting the brains of people for ZP or just for likes?
                      Change the training manual ... Well, or read, there were articles on the resource about clumsy propaganda in the USSR and do not repeat mistakes, maybe the RFP will be raised for posts ...
                      It is precisely this demagogy that you have - in your "training manual" - and comes first!
                      1. parma
                        parma 11 May 2018 11: 11
                        0
                        Shouting about Hitler or not, it is not yet known for sure! And in the end, Hitler is simply the most striking symbol of fascism for our country! You don’t blame all Muslims for doing bearded Islamists shouting like “Alla, I’m in a bar!”, But if it turns out that he was still shouting something about Hitler, blame him for Nazism, fascism, etc. without thinking that this could simply have been caused not by ideology supported by him, but by hype as it is customary to say now! Just because May 9th! Had Hanukkah - maybe he would have shouted "death to the Semites," who knows what was going on in the head of this crazy teenager ... But they do not write this in a self-instruction manual on propaganda, here you need creativity to think ... And you only about evil there is a blank of liquid mass .... By the way, will you send a map from the US school, where is Russia divided, about which you wrote the other day?
                        Can I link to at least one of my comments in which I pointed out the blackness of the Soviet period? Where did you call to abandon this? I have always believed and still believe that history is history, past is past! Refusing him is stupid, but living with him too! It is necessary to draw conclusions and apply experience!
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 11 May 2018 14: 52
                      0
                      So, let's go in order!
                      1. Remove the word "jidomasson". This is not from my vocabulary, but from yours. Do not attribute to me that I do not use. At the same time, there are learned historians-specialists - both secular and revolutionary. Do you want to delete from their circulation these scientifically sound developments? It makes me smile.
                      2. I have been dealing with national and educational reform issues since 1986 -1990. I know very well what contribution Soros made to the defeat of the Soviet and to the liberal reform of Russian education. What was this reform like, which was prevented during that period in the form in which teachers wanted to carry it out in their private property interests. Teachers and the teaching staff I know how flaky. Expertise had to write about them.
                      3. About nationalists. Do you remember the Barkashov movement? So these "fascists" - Russian nationalists - went to fight in Yugoslavia for the Serbs against the Croatian fascists, who, under the tutelage of the Pentagon and NATO, committed the Serb genocide in the historical homeland of the Serbs themselves.
                      In addition, the remnants of the Barkashovites and other Russian nationalists have been unarmed for weeks defending the House of Soviets in Moscow in 1993 from criminal liberoid shooting by Yeltsin of the legitimate legitimate legislative power in the Russian Federation. Many of them after the shooting never returned home, missing.
                      4. In addition, I will draw your attention to the existence of verbal and non-verbal signs in psychology. You find yourself as a Russophobe. Namely, when you ascribe to me "chauvinism", you thereby non-verbally ascribe the Russian people to national minorities in the Russian Federation. This is your legacy, apparently, extends from the mentality of “titular” citizens of Kazakhstan by nationality. For it is usually spoken about the "chauvinism" of Russians or some other people precisely when a given people of a given nationality either constitutes a national MINORITY in a given republic (country) or is removed from real power in a given administrative territory when divided according to the so-called. “titular” nationality, as the Bolsheviks did when the USSR was formed (federal and autonomous republics and territories or titular national states). Otherwise, in national sociology they talk about nationalism.
                      You see, parma, according to psychology, with this word “chauvinism” you are already verbally reducing the number of the Russian people in the Russian Federation in the national and political view of the whole society in the country, which is illiterate and politically unacceptable! And on the observance of the national rights of the Russian people after Vel. Oct social I don’t even speak of revolution!
                      It turns out that in this case there is no need to talk about any social justice with you.
                      Quote: parma
                      By the way, will you send a map from the US school, where is Russia divided, about which you wrote the other day?
                      It was about the Russian Federation. I can’t send. The atlas is school and has long been handed over to the school library. Also, do not ask the impossible from people! Do not want to believe the word - do not believe it! Nobody forces you to take a word! Moreover, you do not know how to analytically compare the veracity of information with current events and the political situation.
                      Quote: parma
                      Can I link to at least one of my comments in which I pointed out the blackness of the Soviet period? Where did you call to abandon this? I have always believed and still believe that history is history, past is past! Refusing him is stupid, but living with him too! It is necessary to draw conclusions and apply experience!
                      Dear parma! I tell you about the existence of non-verbal signs and linguistic logic! So you poorly convey your point of view, and it is read by people from the opposite. Just pay attention to it.
              2. Normal ok
                Normal ok 10 May 2018 22: 09
                +1
                Quote: Tatiana
                This your comparison is logically absolutely incorrect!

                First about logic. I did not compare anything. I stated a fact. He who has eyes, let him see. And secondly, in your comment you absolutely can’t see the understanding of what I wrote. Also, there is no understanding of the essence of fascism.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 10 May 2018 23: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Normal ok
                  I did not compare anything. I stated a fact.
                  on the site every day you can find many sayings, essentially fascist
                  I answered you this:
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Do not confuse the defense of the Fatherland with the aggression of the invader of the victim country! Or do you offer the victim to irresponsibly turn his second cheek to the aggressor for a blow?

                  Quote: Normal ok
                  And secondly, in your comment you absolutely can’t see the understanding of what I wrote. Also, not understanding the essence of fascism.

                  Here is the essence of fascism!

                  The difference between the Nazis and the defenders of the Motherland lies in which of them is the aggressor-aggressor, and who is the liberator of their land and their people from genocide by those who came to rob and kill on foreign land.
                  Probably, nobody fought at the front during the Second World War, and you yourself never served in the Armed Forces of the country!
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 10 May 2018 23: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Normal ok
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    This your comparison is logically absolutely incorrect!

                    First about logic. I did not compare anything. I stated a fact. He who has eyes, let him see. And secondly, in your comment you absolutely can’t see the understanding of what I wrote. Also, there is no understanding of the essence of fascism.
                    Yeah! I have such a "misunderstanding" that I can reach out to you and reach!
                    At first. There is no sentiment in a war!
                    And secondly, if the story repeats itself, then the enemy will get the same thing!

                    TOTAL What seems to you to be supposedly fascism among the site participants is that it can be figuratively expressed in this way.


                    Or do you know anything infantile about the international situation in the world?
        2. siberalt
          siberalt 10 May 2018 12: 29
          0
          Yes, there is now unemployment, poverty is hopeless. And you’ll not shout it out. This is in Moscow Natsik from the rage of fat. winked
      2. 210ox
        210ox 10 May 2018 10: 44
        +5
        The point is not only that there is no work. Education itself, reality, the socio-political system contributes.
        Quote: siberalt
        Barabinsk is the former largest nodal station, the site of the famous "shackle path." Now even the station restaurant was closed there due to the lack of passengers.
      3. Moore
        Moore 10 May 2018 12: 19
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Barabinsk is the former largest nodal station, the site of the famous "shackle path." Now even the station restaurant was closed there due to the lack of passengers.

        Barabinsk was never a junction station, because there is no way there except from west to east and back, nor the point of the "shackle path" that passed north through Kainsk (Kuibyshev). As they say, thanks to the redneck of the Cain merchants holding the Tomsk tract and not wanting to build the "cast iron", Barabinsk appeared.
        And the inhabitants of Barabinsk have few ways in life: either to the railway (there is a good depot), or to the storage plant, or to Novosibirsk.
    2. Vend
      Vend 10 May 2018 09: 42
      +3
      Well, if the phrase is confirmed, then it's time to think already
      Eyewitnesses claim that the young man shouted words of praise at Hitler, as well as the phrase "I hate you!" Before starting the shooting.
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        1. scrap123
          scrap123 10 May 2018 10: 00
          +1
          just explo (just explo), to see you often visitors offended once such komenty write, there are sick people, this is the whole reason.
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    3. pofigist_26_rus
      pofigist_26_rus 10 May 2018 09: 45
      +7
      The question here is not the number of guards, but the organization of the security system of the object itself, the level of authority and the degree of training of security structures. At the moment, the guard has less authority than an ordinary citizen, while he has a bunch of responsibilities, including those that are not within his direct competence. Together with low wages, these factors lead to the situation that we have.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 10 May 2018 10: 03
        +9
        I go to school for my own, there is a new guard on duty, we see each other for the first time. Trying to get through, he screams to me - they say put on shoe covers. He was not interested. what kind of an unknown unshaven guy with broken ears and a centner weight, the main thing is that he put on shoe covers, and there ... Such pies ...
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 10 May 2018 10: 08
          +5
          Well, nothing, here the "new" President and Prime Minister will restore order in the country ... fellow
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 10 May 2018 10: 09
          +7
          A mess in the country, a mess in the head .... chopping off an Internet here can not help!
          True, at the top they say that everything is fine with us ???? So guess where we have the place where everything is fine!
          1. AleBors
            AleBors 10 May 2018 14: 25
            +2
            They say that they are doing well. But they don’t care about us ..
      2. dik-nsk
        dik-nsk 10 May 2018 12: 22
        +3
        The question here is not the number of guards, but the organization of the security system of the object itself, the level of authority and the degree of preparation of security structures
        you are talking about the investigation, and not the reason .. I don’t want to see schools as zones with guards and searches .. you need to deal with the reason - so that there are no such cases, and not be covered by guards and fences
        1. pofigist_26_rus
          pofigist_26_rus 10 May 2018 14: 47
          +1
          You, apparently, have no idea how to protect objects, except for the camp type and somewhat one-sidedly interpret the rights and obligations of the individual and the state. In this situation, the problem of unhindered entry of weapons into the territory of the protected object could be solved long before the incident. Namely, the introduction by the Ministry of Education of the storage system of the second copy of the educational literature and places for the safe storage of replaceable clothes and shoes on the territory of the educational institution. In this case, a student with a large bag / bag sufficient to carry a hunting rifle and ammunition would have aroused interest from the teachers and the guard. I agree that this system will not be able to prevent the introduction of the "short barrels" and edged weapons into the building; to counter this danger, it is necessary to change the legislation in the field of rights to protect the protected object.
          1. dik-nsk
            dik-nsk 11 May 2018 05: 17
            +1
            what nonsense .. so your measures are camp ones - we don’t carry anything, we undress at the entrance and walk in formation, although we immediately agree that it will not give anything .. I repeat, it’s not a matter of protection, but a system of values ​​in society .. we went and with backpacks with a sports uniform (is there any physical education, think about it?))) and we didn’t have protection, but it didn’t occur to anyone to drag the barrel into school, and it was the 80s and the first half of the 90s .. like as already endless dashing years, but we were brought up according to Soviet standards .. although there have been all sorts of cases - hazing and fights, but all in terms of - one to one
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    5. tchoni
      tchoni 10 May 2018 11: 33
      0
      Quote: tasha
      Need to fight the reasons

      For example, to allow the wearing of a short barrel for ordinary citizens by making the appropriate changes to the law on weapons and self-defense!? -) and teachers, also look into carrying weapons to school)))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 May 2018 12: 07
        +3
        Deadly dangerous games .... good will not end!
    6. Playerman
      Playerman 10 May 2018 11: 49
      +5
      The reason is one: Lack of ideology. We were born in the USSR, where the ideological component was strong. From there we are! Strong in Spirit and Word. Where does the rod come from, these pussy, If the state does not give a shit
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 May 2018 12: 31
        +4
        I left the hut
        Went to fight
        Schaub land in Grenada
        Give the peasants !!!
        Ideology, this is cool, but if you look closely, it was precisely PEASANES in Franco's troops!
        Our strength of mind is from the fact that there was an INTEGRATED, PLANNED impact on the minds of the diapers and count until the end of life! Our whole life was built in such a way as to educate the patriots of the HOMELAND, and of course the party .... but how else is it? Patriots must be raised, educated!
        When social ideology broke with real life, the USSR state ended there ... in short, MANY people put their dirty hands to it!
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 10 May 2018 09: 37
    +9
    He couldn’t buy weapons himself, which means he took them at home or from relatives. This is where you need to start. Why the weapons turned out to be in the public domain and where parents looked if their child expressed such thoughts.
  3. BZTM
    BZTM 10 May 2018 09: 38
    +10
    Unfortunately, the number of attacks by schoolchildren and students on their peers and on teachers has been growing recently.
    Just don’t say that it’s impossible for the people OFFICIALLY have a short barrel. People would at least have a chance in this situation to self-defend their lives. Let's forbid knives with stools and pans, we will ban people from them more ...
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 10 May 2018 09: 40
      +2
      You offer weapons to distribute to children. But they will not shoot each other. And not everyone has money for weapons.
      1. BZTM
        BZTM 10 May 2018 09: 46
        +13
        Andrey, don’t distort, I suggest that adults and adequate people should be allowed at the legislative level to have with them the fact that such scumbags illegally have chances to level ... hi
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 10 May 2018 09: 50
          +5
          Then an angry parent with such an apparatus will come to the school to find out the relationship, there will be things ... So far, only on the fists, basically.
        2. just exp
          just exp 10 May 2018 10: 35
          +3
          do not carry nonsense. even thugs do not want to with bagpipes because it is fraught. only for showdown and only in sparsely populated places.
          further - our youth will continue to spend all the money on iPhones and gadgets, but young people from the Caucasus and Asia will get the trunks MANDATORY.
          and if now they shoot our guys from injuries, then they will bring them down from battle trunks. and hell who after such one of ours will take up his head and buy a barrel. for still buy a new iPhone.
          and the one who wanted a weapon has long had it. not short, but enough for protection.
          1. RaptorF22
            RaptorF22 10 May 2018 11: 36
            +1
            That is, in fact, recognize that people will be killed and they will buy iPhones? sad
            1. just exp
              just exp 10 May 2018 16: 42
              +1
              Yes, and this is an objective reality.
              when injuries resolved, how many of your friends they stocked? but guests from the southern republics went through one with either a pen or an injury.
    2. Logall
      Logall 10 May 2018 09: 42
      +12
      Brother, they want to allow a short barrel, but only a limited part of the population ... I think it will not be easier for us. You also have to defend yourself against these "limited" ones!
      1. BZTM
        BZTM 10 May 2018 09: 54
        +6
        good Yes, that’s the point, Bratish ... Myself, the authorities, unknown to anyone chosen, their henchmen, can ... And the rest are untimely unworthy in their opinion,
    3. AUL
      AUL 10 May 2018 09: 45
      +9
      The answer to the supporters of the ban of the Constitutional Court - "Why does our man need a trunk, because there is a police?" So, the trunk is needed, in particular, to protect yourself from such psychopaths, and not to jump from the windows, breaking your arms and legs!
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 04
        +13
        Quote: AUL
        rather than jumping out of windows, breaking his arms and legs!
        By the way, about the hustle from the windows at the sight of a hunting rifle. In my class (1983), I think they wouldn’t jump from the windows, but would try to defend themselves at their desks, and the guys would try to intercept the trunk. Here it is, the push-button generation.
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 10 May 2018 10: 50
          +2
          Quote: sabakina
          In my class (1983), I think they wouldn’t jump from the windows, but would try to defend themselves at their desks, and the guys would try to intercept the trunk. Here it is, the push-button generation.

          Special Forces Class?
          1. Moore
            Moore 10 May 2018 12: 26
            +5
            Without any special forces, ordinary passers-by in Rostov of the 70s went to armed robbers (a gang of Tolstopyatovs). There was such a upbringing.
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 10 May 2018 13: 09
            +2
            Quote: AID.S
            Special Forces Class?

            You will not believe it, but as a child, when my dad took a smoothbore while drinking, I was protecting my mother. grabbed his hands on the barrel aimed at us! Apparently, children's special forces. P.S. I still don’t blame Dad. It was just .... An episode of the school of life. In contrast to what is shown in "Omsk TV. School bloggers."
      2. RaptorF22
        RaptorF22 10 May 2018 11: 40
        +2
        Unfortunately they do not care winked The main thing for them is PR No. Say, look again, these glands are scary and incomprehensible, let's ban this position of an ostrich head in the sand wink
    4. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 10 May 2018 09: 48
      +8
      Quote: BZTM
      Unfortunately, the number of attacks by schoolchildren and students on their peers and on teachers has been growing recently.
      Just don’t say that it’s impossible for the people OFFICIALLY have a short barrel. People would at least have a chance in this situation to self-defend their lives. Let's forbid knives with stools and pans, we will ban people from them more ...

      Who forbade students in this situation to run a stool, briefcase, pot, but what's at hand in the attacker? He would at least be distracted and twist. But they preferred to panic.
      It’s not a short-barrel, it’s not ready for such situations.
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 10 May 2018 09: 54
        +9
        Quote: Ecilop
        Who forbade students in this situation to run a stool, briefcase, pot, but what's at hand in the attacker? He would at least be distracted and twist. But they preferred to panic.

        And often you are discarded by stools from persons who use firearms? He flew into the classroom with a gun and began to shoot - people reacted as they were told by the feeling of fear. It lasted a second. In the same place, no paratroopers are being prepared, in the end, in order to be ready to wait for the thugs with a gun behind the door ...
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 07
          +3
          Yes Yes. He fired from a hunting rifle like a machine gun ....
          1. Volodin
            Volodin 10 May 2018 10: 11
            +3
            Quote: sabakina
            He fired a hunting rifle like a machine gun ....

            If you have data that everyone in the classroom jumped out of the windows in Barabinsk and nobody tried to hide under a desk or to offer resistance - I hope that you will share this data.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 25
              +2
              Quote: Volodin
              If you have data that everyone in the classroom jumped out of the windows in Barabinsk and nobody tried to hide under a desk or to offer resistance - I hope that you will share this data.

              Several people began to jump in panic at the study room. According to information published on the social network, two people broke limbs during the jump.
              That’s all I know. My school was three-story. And I'd rather go with a school desk but a smoothbore than a sig from the third floor. And I want to say that we were trained to act in such extreme conditions almost from the cradle. The Second World War did not allow her to forget her lessons.
          2. bk316
            bk316 10 May 2018 12: 25
            +5
            He fired a hunting rifle like a machine gun ....

            Well, firstly, maybe he has Mr
            Secondly, the desk from 12 gauge will not protect.
            Thirdly, kids in real life have never seen a gun, as if no one had ever aimed at them.
            And toss on the trunk throwing stools in a class full of children is the height of stupidity.
            In principle, the reaction to escape in this case is correct.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 10 May 2018 13: 13
              +1
              Fourth ..... Read my comment just above.
              P.S. Mr .... Mr-38-40? belay
              1. bk316
                bk316 10 May 2018 17: 44
                +4
                P.S. Mr .... Mr-38-40? [

                Hunting rifle - MP-153. From it, in a room like a classroom, 20 people can be injured in 20 seconds, if not killed.
                Learn materiel ....
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 05
        +1
        The push-button generation. See my comment above.
    5. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 10 May 2018 09: 54
      +3
      Quote: BZTM
      the number of attacks by schoolchildren and students on their peers and teachers has been growing recently

      Quote: BZTM
      Just don’t say that it’s impossible for people to OFFICIALLY have a short barrel

      No, it’s normal like that ... it’s just attacking like that, otherwise it will be - with a short barrel good

      Quote: BZTM
      Let's ban knives with stools and pans

      Let's ban whiners on the topic of legalization already ... really sickened negative
      1. BZTM
        BZTM 10 May 2018 10: 07
        +6
        You should read it more carefully if you can, I’m not about the attackers, but about the defenders. There would be more chances, not 0%, Rum, if there would be an equal answer in the defenders’s pocket. they’ll shoot, they’re unworthy, they won’t be able to use them in a difficult situation ... You are sick of your whining, thinking that our people are worthless, neither a good life, nor the right to have a LEGAL weapon am
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 May 2018 10: 49
          +2
          Quote: BZTM
          You should read it more carefully if you can, I’m not about the attackers, but about the defenders. There would be more chances, not 0%, Rum, if there would be an equal answer in the defenders’s pocket. they’ll shoot, they’re unworthy, they won’t be able to use them in a difficult situation ... You are sick of your whining, thinking that our people are worthless, neither a good life, nor the right to have a LEGAL weapon am

          He entered the hunting community - he bought a barrel - even a rifled, even smooth one, which is quite enough to protect his home and households. Who does not allow a citizen to have a trunk? The plus is that with such a "club" you hardly walk around the city or at taverns, unlike a short-barrel.
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 10 May 2018 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: BZTM
          I'm not about the attackers, but about the defenders

          And I'm all together. Or is there a guarantee that the legal COP will not get to the “attackers”? Stopudov, he will be the first to get to them.
          Quote: BZTM
          thinking that our people are worthless

          What I think is not given to you to know. Get scared yes
          Quote: BZTM
          Read carefully if you can.

          I always read carefully, professional is request
          1. BZTM
            BZTM 10 May 2018 11: 03
            +2
            Or is there a guarantee that the legal COP will not get to the “attackers”?
            There is a guarantee, they already have it, and respectable citizens do not. hi
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 10 May 2018 11: 11
          +3
          Quote: BZTM
          There would have been more chances, rather than 0%, of Rum, if there was an equal answer in the pocket of the defenders.

          Weapons are allowed in the states, but there are many times more such cases. Something I have not heard anywhere that there one of the students or teachers shot such a scumbag. Until the cops arrive, he manages to lay the floor of the class.
      2. RaptorF22
        RaptorF22 10 May 2018 11: 48
        +1
        It’s a pity that people like you can dance on the bones of the dead am Neither conscience nor honor to people like you is apparently unknown. am One on my mind to ban big brains is apparently not enough am But he set fire to people using gas offered to ban gas? Rosneft? Gazprom? It is unlikely that the spirit did not want against them to say something or demand
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 10 May 2018 09: 57
      +6
      Quote: BZTM
      Just don’t say that it’s impossible for the people to OFFICIALLY have a short barrel. People would at least have a chance in this situation to defend their own lives. Let’s forbid knives with stools and pans to ban people from dying more ...

      Oh brother Lesha hi If you knew how many weapons you have under your arms and legs, you just need to be able to use them, the same frying pan or plate can knock out quite effectively, it’s not worrying, it’s much worrying
      Eyewitnesses claim that the young man shouted words of praise at Hitler, as well as the phrase "I hate you!" Before starting the shooting.

      Where is our family and school? And
      In this connection, the question of the degree of protection effectiveness

      Pensioners on a stool and with a crossword puzzle of an armed psychopath or drug addict will not stop. hi
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 29
        +2
        Vovka, pryuvet! Pensioners on a stool cannot throw plates in the form of stars! A pan in the service is not put in the state.
    7. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 10 May 2018 10: 41
      +4
      Quote: BZTM
      Unfortunately, the number of attacks by schoolchildren and students on their peers and on teachers has been growing recently.
      Just don’t say that it’s impossible for the people OFFICIALLY have a short barrel. People would at least have a chance in this situation to self-defend their lives. Let's forbid knives with stools and pans, we will ban people from them more ...

      Empty. If the society is sick, then official permission to purchase and wear a short barrel will in no way improve the criminal background, but rather the other way around - shooting and corpses will be every day. Elementary to the bakery will have to run in a helmet and body armor. Society is not ready for such “freedom” either morally or psychologically, since today there is a large proportion of mentally disadvantaged people who are ready to use force for the slightest reason.
      1. BZTM
        BZTM 10 May 2018 10: 49
        +4
        You say you’re an idler, Dim ...? Society, you say, is not ready? And what about this unworthy and not ready for universal human rights (likeSelf-defense etc. etc. society to do? Relying on the valiant law enforcement agencies in a critical situation? I beg you ... hi
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 10 May 2018 11: 48
          +2
          Quote: BZTM
          To rely on in a critical situation ...

          ... on critical days ... laughing
          Well, there are no clear arguments for the COP. In nature, they are not. And what you preach here is already on your teeth ... and on your ears.
          I would forbid you all, completely request
          1. BZTM
            BZTM 10 May 2018 12: 00
            +2
            So they don’t forbid you, so that you don’t correspond to the popular opinion, you only read out the opinion of the authorities, who were not elected by anyone, except for you, of course. wink
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 10 May 2018 12: 40
              +1
              Quote: BZTM
              announce the opinion of the authorities

              I have my own opinion. I announce him and, ahem laughing
              Quote: BZTM
              authorities not elected by anyone except you, of course

              Right It is I who elect the authorities.
              And I can be divided into three parts, and in the full moon become invisible (c) yes
            2. bk316
              bk316 10 May 2018 12: 42
              +4
              So they don’t forbid you, so that you don’t correspond to the popular opinion, you only read out the opinion of the authorities, who were not elected by anyone, except for you, of course.

              Let's have a little test.
              He will allow to determine;
              - how much you are in the subject;
              -can you issue a license;
              You are surrounded by 3 bugs on the way from the metro to the house in the evening.
              They behave aggressively and demand a grandmother, but you have every reason to believe that this will not be limited.
              They are armed with knives.
              You have a wonderful device that allows you to work as a PM, OCA and MP 80-13T.
              Your actions?
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 10 May 2018 13: 23
                +1
                Quote: bk316
                Your actions?

                I’ll try to get the hell out of there, I still have to get all these rubberbands, but they’re all set ... Maybe I’m lucky. wink
                1. bk316
                  bk316 10 May 2018 17: 47
                  +4
                  I’ll try to get the hell out of there, I still have to get all these rubberbands, but they’re all set ... Maybe I’m lucky.

                  The test is not for you, you judging by your posts will pass it. bully But the direction of thought is right.
                  This is for BZTM
        2. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 10 May 2018 11: 53
          +2
          The rescue of drowning is the work of the drowning themselves wink When they kill then come fellow
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 May 2018 12: 01
          +4
          Quote: BZTM
          You say you’re an idler, Dim ...? Society, you say, is not ready? And what about this unworthy and not ready for universal human rights (likeSelf-defense etc. etc. society to do? Relying on the valiant law enforcement agencies in a critical situation? I beg you ... hi
          Now permitted trauma appears in crime reports almost more often than basic household stabbing. Well, then, in fact, are you not happy with the same injury? That there is no 100% chance of a fatal disassembly? Often there is a completely complete slaughter, with all the ensuing consequences. You need to understand that if you had at least an injury, even a war barrel, you must use it in such a way as to inflict minimal damage to the health of the attacker and arrange all your action according to the scenario -, demonstrated, warned, shot in the air, applied. After application, a big “love” will begin with the investigator, prosecutor and lawyer, since with almost a 100% guarantee you can be charged with exceeding self-defense, and even intentional - the line is small. So I don’t see much difference in which trunk and which “quality mark” the legal hemorrhoids will be acquired. hi
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 10 May 2018 12: 15
            +3
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            After application, a big “love” will begin with the investigator, prosecutor and lawyer

            The second episode will begin, about the "wrong laws" request
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 10 May 2018 12: 19
              +3
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              After application, a big “love” will begin with the investigator, prosecutor and lawyer

              The second episode will begin, about the "wrong laws" request

              More likely definitely yes than probably no hi . Have not shot yet soldier
            2. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 10 May 2018 12: 44
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              The second series will begin, about the "wrong laws" request

              Further according to the scheme - dumb power, to shoot everyone - we need a short barrel. The circle is closed. laughing laughing laughing
      2. RaptorF22
        RaptorF22 10 May 2018 11: 52
        +1
        It’s clear society people he doesn’t like everything according to the standard template savages drunks society is sick No. At least the training manual was changed fool
    8. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 10 May 2018 11: 32
      +1
      Prohibitions will now howl to ban everything No. Guilty weapons and not upbringing, I wonder if what if he used napalm with the help of gasoline? Would they immediately scream gasoline to ban Rosneft Gazprom? belay
  4. Proxima
    Proxima 10 May 2018 09: 39
    +3
    Eyewitnesses claim that the young man shouted the words before starting the shooting praise of Hitleras well as the phrase “I hate you!” (from text)
    There are plenty of uniform ideas .. there is nothing to be done. There is only one way, to identify with the help of psychiatrists at an early stage and not to allow firearms.
    1. Vard
      Vard 10 May 2018 10: 03
      +4
      There is such a thing ... lying as an eyewitness ... riley go all class, and now scandal ...
  5. Tank hard
    Tank hard 10 May 2018 09: 39
    +3
    So, it is necessary to prepare protection, which means investing money. And nobody wants to do this. On the watch are powerless old men and women for a small fraction. At present, even in mousetraps you can’t find free cheese.
    1. Vard
      Vard 10 May 2018 10: 04
      0
      As for the cooking ... I agree ... but about the old people ... at the school of the grandson, a two-meter bull ... sitting on the phone playing ...
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 10 May 2018 10: 09
        +2
        Yes, to hell do not cook. GBR happens to travel without trunks, and who didn’t ask, they’re not doing shooting training anywhere, they are shaking money ...
  6. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 10 May 2018 09: 39
    +3
    Security is good, of course ...
    Children, at school, need not only to give knowledge, but also to educate them! Now, school, abstracted from this process, unfortunately ...
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 May 2018 09: 44
      +3
      If they are not brought up in a family, they are unlikely to be corrected at school ...
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 10 May 2018 09: 50
        +2
        I agree, but I think that the experience of Soviet schools in this matter will not be superfluous)
        I remembered myself, red, from shame, for some misconduct that condemned the whole class laughing
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 10 May 2018 09: 54
          +2
          In Soviet schools, different things were happening, and the schools were different, and upbringing. not so publicized as now.
        2. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 10 May 2018 09: 55
          +1
          Previously, education began in the family, continued in kindergarten, then in school, etc. And now ? Young people are sitting on the uncontrolled Internet and watching everything. It is possible that this blockhead had seen enough of the shooting at American schools and decided to give it a try. sad
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 10 May 2018 10: 15
            +2
            In fact, it is necessary to analyze the situation there, just like that, they can’t decide on this, so there were reasons, where are school psychologists? A lot of things can come up ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 10 May 2018 10: 16
              0
              Quote: Tank Hard
              there it is necessary to analyze the situation

              Undoubtedly. And not only to disassemble, but also to seek out the reasons and draw conclusions.
          2. RaptorF22
            RaptorF22 10 May 2018 11: 54
            0
            Well, yes or he has Kumir Yevsyukov
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 10 May 2018 09: 51
      +4
      Today's school is not an institution of noble maidens, it is obliged to educate. Education at school was when there was an ideology-Octoberism, pioneering, Komsomol.
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 10 May 2018 09: 56
        +1
        Yes, but value guidelines should be! Where did the children get them from?
        Family- I agree, but this is not enough, for various reasons
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 11
          +2
          I agree, this is not enough, but where to get landmarks? Pavka Korchagin? Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya? The Young Guard? .... Yes, they don’t even know who they are, and most importantly, they don’t want to know.
          1. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 10 May 2018 10: 31
            +3
            Maybe they don’t want to know because they don’t really want to “convey” it? For all, stupidly, are busy earning money)
            And the more enthusiasm, in this matter, the less time and effort for children ..
            Regarding the Young Guard ..
            In our conversation, we smoothly came to the main problem: the lack of a clear definition of "who are we and what are we striving for? What are our ideals? What do we condemn? And so on .."
            The state, nevertheless, needs to decide on this issue, and clearly state it, sooner or later) Today, we only hear a slurred grunt.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 43
              +2
              Alexei agrees, we are right now like a boat without a rudder and without sails.
  7. Lars971a
    Lars971a 10 May 2018 09: 45
    +3
    You need to bring up in the family first of all. But now parents are mostly engaged in making money for their children. You understand, the mother, the market ....... him. And so it turns out ................
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 16
      +4
      I agree. I am a driver in the state office. Officially, work from 9.00 to 18.00, plus or minus bring / take the boss. I leave at 8.00, I arrive 20.30-21.00 .... It happens later. And what normal education can I give? Read a bedtime story?
  8. Vard
    Vard 10 May 2018 10: 02
    +3
    Young people are more resolute than us ... as the history of events has shown ... does not tolerate bullying ... They can throw an adult out of work with a wolf ticket and risk nothing at all ...
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 May 2018 10: 20
      +1
      Apparently tired of enduring ...
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 34
      +1
      These are yard show-offs, but not decisiveness. Once we were afraid that we would thunder in the army in Afghanistan. They were afraid, but the homeland said they had to go. Would today's young go there? Yes, they will go, those whose name is "Vanka Village".
  9. Seal
    Seal 10 May 2018 10: 23
    +1
    Quote: sabakina
    In my class (1983) I think

    The main thing here is "I think." And in fact .... ???
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 10 May 2018 10: 46
      +2
      Unfortunately, I can’t go back in time and check. In my youth, "I think" meant "surely."
  10. Azazelo
    Azazelo 10 May 2018 10: 30
    +1
    Craps checked badly
  11. bogart047
    bogart047 10 May 2018 10: 37
    +5
    I'm sure the guy was bullied - classmates and / or teachers. Like bullying in the army, in educational institutions, many people assert themselves in this way. You need to start with the responsibility of people for their behavior.
  12. AID.S
    AID.S 10 May 2018 10: 54
    +2
    It seems to me that everything is not there as described. It looks like revenge on specific individuals. Otherwise, there would be more victims and there would be no suicide. Maybe I'm wrong.
  13. HMR333
    HMR333 10 May 2018 11: 12
    0
    this is anger normally shtatovskaya this topic is not ours well, nothing! it is necessary to identify the reason how he came to such what is the reason who influenced it can
    1. askort154
      askort154 10 May 2018 12: 12
      0
      HMR333 ....this is anger normally shtatovskaya this topic is not ours well, nothing! it is necessary to identify the reason how he came to such what is the reason who influenced it can

      This problem has always been, and still remains in all countries. Youthful maximalism, an excess of adrenaline, an unformed psychological perception of the realities of the world. In Soviet times, there was a steady percentage of suicide in the army, losses in exercises, shootings of colleagues in the guard. The numbers were classified, but they guided them in determining the combat effectiveness of the unit in combat and political readiness. A first-year cadet, a physically very healthy guy, hanged himself in our school. The reason is a letter from home about the betrayal of his beloved. Conclusion - physically healthy, the psyche is not stable. Here, not a political officer or psychologist will help. This is the weakness of the human soul. Even God does not accept such. Previously, in Russia they were not buried in a common cemetery.
  14. gaura
    gaura 10 May 2018 11: 39
    +1
    Not a month has passed since the last such event. I remember how then, in the comments, some comrades shouted that everything was that the firearm was not legalized in Russia. They say that with hunting rifles no one goes to school to shoot, although they are allowed. And voila!
  15. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 13: 00
    +3
    And there will be more and more cases of youth disobedience, for when the government thinks in patterns from the 80s and does not understand modern realities. We must not tighten the nuts of youth, but work with it.
    By work is meant not a system formation under the flag of United Russia, by the way.
  16. Bort radist
    Bort radist 11 May 2018 11: 48
    0
    Quote: Teberii
    He couldn’t buy weapons himself, which means he took them at home or from relatives. This is where you need to start. Why the weapons turned out to be in the public domain and where parents looked if their child expressed such thoughts.

    He stole his father, they write. Father hunter guy with a gun knew how to manage. He brought it apart, collected it in the toilet.
  17. Imobile
    Imobile 11 May 2018 12: 45
    0
    Where the logic is more correct:
    Where there was a shootout and it was forbidden to carry weapons - a ban on carrying in other places, tightening (Russia)
    Where there was a shootout and it was forbidden to carry weapons - permission to carry weapons in a given place (USA)
    In the states, it was found out that mass killings take place mainly where weapons are prohibited (concerts, cinemas, schools) and in this regard, they introduce permission to carry weapons in these places. Teachers will be able to carry weapons. But we do not know how to analyze and extinguish the fire with gasoline
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 11 May 2018 12: 50
      0
      Quote: Imobile
      we do not know how to analyze and extinguish the fire with gasoline

      You - yes, do not know how.
      Your today's "songs about the Mask" are proof of this.
      1. Imobile
        Imobile 11 May 2018 12: 54
        0
        About Mask, you can ask a question in the relevant topic, if you do not agree. And on this topic I did not draw conclusions, I asked you to make them.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 11 May 2018 13: 00
          0
          Quote: Imobile
          I asked you to make them

          Yes, I just said everything already that I think:
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Let's ban whiners on the topic of legalization already ... really sickened
          1. Imobile
            Imobile 11 May 2018 13: 06
            0
            I can also say - let's ban whiners on the topic of banning legalization ... (I will not quote the latter, I treat you and everyone who has a different point of view with respect) Simple logic for allowing the use of weapons, here as 2 + 2 you to me 7
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 11 May 2018 15: 03
              0
              Quote: Imobile
              Simple logic for allowing weapons to be carried

              There is no "logic" here, except the desire of some to blink the trunk.
              It’s already boring to argue something on this topic, to “amateurs,” as practice shows, arguments ... to one place.
              Therefore - completely ban them all stop fellow laughing
  18. Loki_2
    Loki_2 13 May 2018 15: 45
    0
    But if the teachers had a short barrel - everything could have turned out differently;)