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Battle for the Russian Internet. Losing?

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The question of whether we need to proclaim and protect Russian sovereignty over the Russian segment of the global network is becoming increasingly obvious. But it is also clear that many unpleasant surprises await us on this way, including purely technical ones.


The latest events around the Telegram messenger clearly show how things can be difficult even in the case of "block" blockings of some program or site. Now imagine that there may be thousands of such cases! And in none of them, most likely, nobody will meet us.



In order to understand the urgency of the problem, I will give a few examples, which are completely unrelated to blocking, encrypted messages, and similar technical aspects. These examples, at first glance, may not seem very significant, but this is only at first glance. In reality, everything is exactly the opposite: the issues of culture, patriotism, and relationships are the basis of everything. And if we assume that you can find channels online that actively promote criminal romance among adolescents, for example, then all our locks will end up unnecessary ...

If you sometimes play online games, then you probably know that various events related to holidays are very popular there. Of course, they all have a commercial background. But it is also certain that for a child or teenager it is of great importance how a particular holiday is served and played up in his favorite game.

So, it is extremely strange to find that the game officially distributed by the Russian localizer will fill you with “holiday” congratulations and suggestions for some Halloween, but completely ignore our Victory Day. Moreover, it is strange even from a commercial point of view (indeed, an excellent reason for discounts and congratulations), therefore, involuntarily, thoughts of some kind of conspiracy creep in.

I myself first encountered a similar one during another important official holiday - 12 of June, the Day of Russia. When I began to find out the reasons for such indifference of the Russian (I emphasize this!) Localizers of various gaming products, I was told the following in secret.

It turns out that since quite a lot of Ukrainians play on Russian game servers, game manufacturers and localizers consider it inappropriate to at least somehow celebrate Russian state holidays - Ukrainian “onizdeti” may be offended and raise a howl. And the Russians, known for their tolerance, will quietly wipe out after another spit and continue to calmly kill their favorite game monsters.

A trifle, you say? Well, let's have a little more about the game. Moreover, it is, oddly enough, the most important part of all online traffic.

When you unanimously scold another Maru Baghdasaryan or Ruslan Shamsuarov, you need to remember not only that they are “majors”, but also that there is a whole layer of computer games, the main pastime in which are just races on stolen cars. At the same time, it is possible (and according to the game) to kill the legitimate owners of cars, police, crush pedestrians, etc. Moreover, these are very popular games, and some teenagers spend many hours in them daily.

So it is not only the fruits of young people's confidence in the omnipotence of their parents. Often this is a behavioral stereotype, literally absorbed by them over the years of hobby for computer games. And we can only rejoice that their faith in the omnipotence of their parents is still not unlimited. Otherwise, the old women would really be crushed at the crossings and the policemen would shoot at the heads ...

The most striking thing is that this area is not regulated at all. Roskomnadzor will tear anyone away for the image of the female breast, and will not say a word to anyone for the image of a human head bursting under the wheels of a car. Although sometimes it seems that it would be better the other way around: let them look at the naked "elves", but not kill the peaceful passers-by and the police. This, at least, at least does not cause aggression and does not put into the mind terrible behavioral stereotypes along with indifference to someone else’s life.

Once again, this is not regulated at all. That is, somewhere there, at the level of the game developers, there may be no convincing age limit or the opportunity to replace the red color of blood with some other one. And in the most humane cases, you will be asked to choose the level of detail of scenes of violence. True, a teenager can choose and the maximum, in which the blood will splash the walls for many meters around. But who is, in general, interested in?

Official distributors of games, if they are guided by some rules, are by no means Russian. Usually on American. Nobody wants to quarrel with the American courts! And we are compelled to be content with the belching of American justice and to expect that it will somehow take care of the moral health of our children.

Another aspect is commercial. And this is also important, since we live in an age of market economy.

Probably everyone knows the company "Wargaming" and its game "World of Tanks". Once I witnessed the network communication of German Klimenko, an adviser to the President of the Russian Federation, with one of the top managers of this company. To my surprise, it turned out that this company is not even Belarusian - legally it is a purely Cypriot company, and it pays all taxes and fees to the government and people of Cyprus.

Taking into account the fact that the company’s profit has reached, according to some data, half a billion dollars a year just recently, and also that it receives the lion’s share of its revenue from the Russian market, the question arises: what, we don’t need money ourselves? We cannot, by law, force game developers to distribute them through Russian companies that are registered with us and who pay taxes to the Russian budget? We are not able to block the outgoing games proactively until they receive permission for official distribution in the Russian Federation?

If not, then what kind of sovereignty are we talking about?

Alas, a similar situation is not only in the gaming industry. We can not exert any influence on Western video hosting sites like the well-known “YouTube”, Western social networks, instant messengers, and software developers. And if we can, then so weakly, almost imperceptibly, that one should not even talk about it.

And yet it is also extremely important. And it's not a dense security. Reason to think a lot. For example, we struggle with smoking, and on television, obeying our laws, it is very noticeable. But go to “YouTube” to some popular blogger - regular “hookah parties”, vapers, discussion of “tasty” tobacco varieties or “slurry” (the so-called e-cigarette fluids, which may contain various fillers, including nicotine ). But the aggregate audience there has long exceeded the audience of any Russian national television channel!

And we prohibit obscenities in the media. Again, go to any (well, almost) video blogger and listen for at least five minutes. Most likely, your ears will fade. And there are more than half of the audience, as a rule, children, teenagers, young people. And for them it’s not just entertainment content, no, often for them it’s an authority and an example to follow.

I deliberately talk so much on topics that rarely attract the attention of the general public. After all, with the blocking of Telegram, everything is more or less obvious: there is a court decision, there is a fact of violation of Russian law, there is a reluctance of owners to eliminate existing problems. Therefore, yes, it is necessary to block and it is desirable to do this in good faith, despite the annoying flaws and blunders. Who has a dissenting opinion on this subject, let me remind you once again: this is a court decision. Only the higher court can do something about this. And the Russian court. And who does not agree, the opponent of democracy and the rule of law.

In fact, the situation with the blocking of the Telegram messenger is interesting only as a first step towards national sovereignty over the enormous mental battlefield that we used to call Runet. This is not even a battle - it is only reconnaissance in force. And its results show that the battle is awaiting us the most serious.

While it is difficult to say which way we should go. Frankly, the pure repetition of the Chinese experience is still not very tempting ... But there is one nuance: China does not face the problems that we talked about today. So, his experience may still be useful to us if it comes to a real break in relations with the West.

But ideally, I would like to achieve a little bit different.

I would like the Russian regulatory authorities to have influence on all players in the national segment of the global network. In order for the orders of Roskomnadzor to be carried out unconditionally, and if someone wants to protest them, it would be done exclusively in a Russian court.

So that those who violate Russian laws banning the promotion of alcohol and smoking, would immediately receive huge fines. So that the “opinion leaders”, who did not keep up with their foul language, were also forced to pay for it and to remove from their channels videos with obscenities, insults, blasphemy, and the like.

So that no game would get a rental license from us until it passes a serious examination from psychologists, psychiatrists and teachers. And distributors of games like the well-known “Steam”, at the very first request, without unnecessary talk, would block access to questionable products for all their Russian accounts.

And then, of course, it is unlikely that someone will raise a hand to the freedom of the Internet. “YouTube” and “Twitch”, “Facebook” and “Twitter” will work successfully in the Russian market. Localizers of games will not think about how not to cause irritation to foreign Russophobes, but about how to comply with Russian legislation and Russian mental code.

And we, with all this magnificence, will be much less fed with kakulyami. Yes, and income will begin to share!

And if this happens, I am ready to close my eyes even to the naked "elvies". Damn them, let them peep!

As for the Telegram messenger, in this battle we simply must win.

Otherwise, the Russian flag will not rise above runet soon ...
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  1. SOF
    SOF 10 May 2018 06: 36
    +9
    .... which is true, it is true - we are tyrannical in tyrnet ... and the “new” prime minister, given his love of networks, could have made some efforts in this area ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 10 May 2018 10: 15
      +12
      The main thing is not clear, where are all these invincible “Russian hackers,” before whom the whole world trembles ?! Could not cope with some Telegram
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 May 2018 11: 24
      +16
      Quote: SOF
      what is true is true - we are tyrannous in tyrnet

      I once wrote an article about programs pushing children to suicide. These are games like the Blue Whale, Quiet House, and so on. How many kids died because there was no monitoring by law enforcement agencies of such a segment on the internet? That is, they simply missed the beat.
      As for the games for children ... here you need to clearly understand that we need not only state control and relevant services, but also parental control.
      In fact, the Internet platform has long become a place for war informs and real military operations are being conducted there.
      Even here, in VO there are a lot of people: trolls, provocateurs, just stupid people who are engaged in stuffing, incitement, distortion of information, various manipulations with understanding the real situation.
      In fact, the war on the Internet is a very serious topic, which is silly and even criminal not to notice.
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 10 May 2018 12: 00
        +12
        Quote: NEXUS
        In fact, the Internet platform has long become a place for war informs and real military operations are being conducted there.

        ANY platform, each five lands and ether is the battleground of Good (Russia) with Evil (of the rest of the world). We must admit this and be fully armed even when leaving the entrance !!! Personally, I am ready and reflect the blows in the network, on the street, at work, at home, etc., daily and hourly. It’s unforgivable to let the enemy hit the distance !!!!
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        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 May 2018 20: 32
          0
          Quote: Conserp
          Firstly, this is an idiotic fake.

          Che seriously? You look at the statistics of suicides for 15-16, but ask for operas before scribbling bullshit.
          Quote: Conserp
          VO is an enemy resource

          Hmm ... a bad case. fool
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 12 May 2018 22: 35
            -1
            Quote: NEXUS
            You look at suicide statistics for 15-16

            Correlation is not equal to causality.

            Causality has yet to be separately proved. In the meantime, even such facts are stupidly not.

            Well, let's say all this is true - well, so the Darwin Award towards.
    3. Plate
      Plate 10 May 2018 17: 20
      +2
      Efforts should be made in this area not only to the prime minister, but also to all other authorities that may be involved in this area. I think it would be nice, say, to introduce a criminal article with a real term for repeated failure to comply with important court requirements in this area (so that the same owners of Telegram could be arrested to cover their shop, if at the request of the court they do not want to cover it themselves).
      Of course, there will be a lot of dirt poured out in the style of: “dictatorship,” “totalitarianism,” “everything, an apocalypse has come,” and the like. Our task will be to clarify with thinking our position and prove in a dispute that this is not so. If the opinion of the thinker turns out to be purchased by someone from abroad by the competent services, then existing articles related to espionage and work for foreign special services can be applied against them. And there is nothing to pay attention to the “thinking” non-thinking people, they are still not getting through with anything.
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  3. Sam_gosling
    Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 06: 57
    +9
    With a telegram, of course, it turned out to be unpleasant for the authorities. So now everyones here.
    1. dSK
      dSK 10 May 2018 07: 44
      +7
      Quote: Sam_gosling
      So now everyones here.

      Where are we "syri" and "wretched."
    2. Conserp
      Conserp 12 May 2018 20: 32
      0
      And when they sell heroin on the streets, is that also “unpleasant for the authorities”?

      DS: Liberalism of the brain.
  4. Bastinda
    Bastinda 10 May 2018 07: 17
    +21
    Control over the Internet is necessary for power!
    The "Internet" has a memory and you can remember what he said, promised, this or that official several years ago. Moreover, on the "Internet", you can check the data that they offer! And God forbid, ask a question to the author of the article, or even discuss it.
    All these drawbacks lack TV! So, there is an urgent need for censorship on the Internet!
    And you, about some "naked elves" laughing
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 10 May 2018 07: 37
      +16
      Quote: Bastinda
      The "Internet" has a memory and you can remember ... Moreover, on the "Internet", you can check ...

      Exactly.
      And on the Internet you can bazaar unlimitedly, and no one will draw on the language (a common misconception, but many really believe in it).
      And on the Internet you can organize a "hobby club", and talented kids will jump out of the windows.
      And on the Internet you can push drugs and other goodies ...
      Quote: Bastinda
      So, urgent censorship on the Internet is needed

      Well, at least they said something clever yes
      1. Bastinda
        Bastinda 10 May 2018 07: 45
        +10
        Well, at least they said something clever

        You will be fired for incompetence! If you don’t even take sarcasm! laughing
        Watch TV ...
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 10 May 2018 09: 48
          +2
          Quote: Bastinda
          You will be fired for unsuitability

          Not "us", but "you" (c)
          Quote: Bastinda
          Watch TV

          See for yourself, me ... not enough time.
      2. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 12 May 2018 15: 19
        0
        Censorship is necessary, as well as a thoughtful attitude to everything that is the basis of state security!
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      1. Bastinda
        Bastinda 10 May 2018 07: 58
        +10
        Partly agree with you. But singing "the armor is strong, and our tanks are fast," "on a foreign land, and with little blood," prevents knowledge of history, and common sense. Moreover, in 1939-41, these slogans really served as an uplift. Today's more reminiscent of the butler’s aria "all is well, beautiful marquise, and we have good deeds!"
    3. Semen1972
      Semen1972 10 May 2018 12: 02
      +2
      Quote: Bastinda
      And you, about some "naked elves" laughing

      This is for you they are "naked elves", but for many there is a threat to national security !!!!! ))) And in the "tanks" on May 9, German technology surrendered and did not resist?)))
  5. cedar
    cedar 10 May 2018 07: 38
    +3
    Enlighten me, dear ... On whose servers is the Internet and if among them are our Russian?
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 10: 36
      +5
      Quote: cedar
      On whose servers is the Internet

      At all including and in the Russian Federation. The Internet belongs to all people, not countries, in equal shares. Just like that John Lennon song.
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 10 May 2018 12: 21
        +2
        Quote: Sam_gosling
        The Internet belongs to all people, not countries, in equal shares

        I don’t know what Lennon sang there, but I clearly understood that “Everyone” means it to anyone and it also means that everyone can do anything with such an object (nobody belongs to anyone).
        1. Sam_gosling
          Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 13: 51
          0
          Is it bad? Well, to call the Internet "object" is certainly strong.
      2. Bigbraza
        10 May 2018 13: 42
        +5
        Domain names (that is, website addresses) are distributed by Americans. Therefore, regardless of where the servers are located, the Internet is completely, completely owned by them.
        1. Sam_gosling
          Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 14: 01
          +7
          Is it all completely straight? Well, we and public services work via the Internet and voting at the elections can be remotely held. It is urgent to write to the president, otherwise they don’t know.
          Quote: BigBraza
          Domain names (i.e., website addresses) are allocated by Americans

          Dear, if you did not know the domain names are distributed by the Americans in their own domain zones .mil, .us, .cal, .tx, etc. We are sovereign in the domain zone .ru, .su, .рф. Perhaps you wanted to say about ip-addresses? But here it’s bad, IP addresses are distributed a long time ago or are delegated in an automatic manner (both static and dynamic). Any attempt to change them from the outside will violate the network architecture.
          1. Bigbraza
            10 May 2018 14: 11
            +8
            Yes Yes. But ICANN was created with the participation of the US government and is registered in California. And Americans can turn off any site, even in the zone. RF And the rest, yes, complete independence :)
            1. Sam_gosling
              Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 18: 55
              +5
              And again, you made a mistake, the routing of the network in our country (as in any other) takes place centrally at the telecom operator. As a result, "selecting" the existing ip network will give another. Already completed stage. In addition, there are always existing p2p networks (I recommend google). So do not be afraid, you are powerless. laughing
  6. lightning
    lightning 10 May 2018 07: 43
    +14
    So that those who violate Russian laws banning the promotion of alcohol and smoking, would immediately receive huge fines. So that the “opinion leaders”, who did not keep up with their foul language, were also forced to pay for it and to remove from their channels videos with obscenities, insults, blasphemy, and the like.

    And if, say, a Russian married a foreign citizen, well, he left for the wife of a spouse. And there, his child grew up and conducts his video blog, without hesitation in expressions in Russian, he talks about life in this Zimbabwe. Rosnadzor strictly tells him: Citizen, stop swearing, otherwise we'll write you a fine!
    To which the citizen answers: Who are you? Go to the forest! Here Zimbabwe is free, you understand the country! I am her citizen and you can’t finally give me a decree!
    What should Rosnadzor do? Most likely he will say that dear Russians, you are a little dumb and do not understand what you can watch. Therefore, we will solve this for you and block this insolence who you understand has thought up talking about freedom of speech. More precisely, of course, we won’t block it; our hands are too short to get to it. And here you are all nearby, here we will block you from him, since you are so unconscious. What else to do? Not to create better quality content, so that you would not be interested in climbing all kinds of garbage resources. It is necessary to think, ban easier.
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 10: 38
      +3
      This is called censorship. And it seems even forbidden by law ...
      1. The_X_Factor
        The_X_Factor 10 May 2018 17: 13
        +1
        Censorship is a very tricky concept, and you don’t need to apply to it when you say that something is prohibited by law there. Who needs it, censorship is interpreted as "prohibition of something before publication," and not as a prohibition of something at all. That is, Petya called Vasya the radish in the film. The film was released, and then it was banned, maybe even after he managed to spend a day or two at the box office. Or Petya calls Vasya a radish, but the commission says “we won’t let the movie go until the radish is removed.” Two big differences.
        1. Sam_gosling
          Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 18: 57
          0
          You confused defamation with censorship. This is a relationship of a subject exposed to power and a distributor of information in any environment
          1. The_X_Factor
            The_X_Factor 10 May 2018 19: 23
            +1
            I didn’t confuse anything. I gave you the most simple and understandable example. With their so-called censorship - when we don’t even let go out. And not when we give something to go out and we are blocking it after the fact. Agree with this tz or not - it’s your business only when you talk about censorship, do not forget that they can understand it differently.
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 10 May 2018 17: 58
        +1
        Quote: Sam_gosling
        This is called censorship.

        This begs the Law on the prohibition of the use of foul language (adopted by the State Duma on April 24, 2014)
        Quote: Sam_gosling
        And it seems even forbidden by law ...

        Censorship is forbidden, and the fact that you substitute concepts only speaks of your ostentatious bravado and the nearness.
        1. Sam_gosling
          Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 19: 03
          +1
          Quote: DenZ
          The law banning the use of foul language (adopted by the State Duma on April 24, 2014)

          The laws of the Russian Federation are valid in the Russian Federation. Cart registered in UK like.
          Quote: DenZ
          You are replacing concepts

          So in the court decision on blocking speech about swearing was not winked
          Quote: DenZ
          ostentatious bravado and nearness.

          Well, you understand ...
  7. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 10 May 2018 07: 46
    +10
    Control over the Russian segment of the Internet must necessarily be in the field of counteraction: terrorism, arms trafficking, drugs, etc. but here the main thing is that the state does not go too far with control, because under these concepts it is possible to build an iron curtain when the entire segment of the Russian Internet is controlled by the state and everything that does not fit into the interests of the state will be blocked and dissent, opposition, alternative opinions will all be banned. Here is a situation with a telegram, I don’t use it myself, but in Russia there are a lot of users who use it and this blocking violates first of all the rights of citizens themselves, today the telegram blocking is tomorrow on VKontakte, and after tomorrow Odnoklassniki. Sites with films, for example, began to block a lot, torrents again blocked (I often use them myself), so we are slowly going to the iron curtain .... is this good? definitely not, a person should have a choice in obtaining information and the state should not interfere with him in this right, provided of course that this information does not violate the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
  8. Brigadier
    Brigadier 10 May 2018 07: 47
    +19
    I also do not mind sometimes looking at the naked "elves". The Internet is like a reality and there is no getting away from it.
    It is of course possible to introduce prohibitions ... it is simpler and easier than, for example, educating young people in patriotism and the spirit of love for the Motherland. It’s easier than raising the welfare of our people ... It’s easier than really raising the country's economy ...
    This is simpler than organizing a really effective analogue of the Soviet KGB, which would realistically and quickly press any creatures working against Russia to the nail, instead of the heap of ineffective "services" available in the country today that supposedly provide our "security" ... This is easier than REALLY tackling the country's security ...
    Prohibited and all things ....
    Although in my opinion For Russia it would be much more useful if our "oligarchs" were forbidden to transfer money to offshore! But for some reason, NOBODY of our rulers wants to ban ...
    I wonder why? After all, there is nothing easier ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 May 2018 10: 19
      +5
      Quote: Brigadier
      It is of course possible to introduce prohibitions ... it is simpler and easier than, for example, educating young people in patriotism and the spirit of love for the motherland.
      - it’s just a lot more complicated, as the battle with Telegram showed
      Quote: Brigadier
      This is simpler than organizing a really effective analogue of the Soviet KGB, which would really and quickly press any creatures working against Russia to the nail,
      - God forbid, our special services will begin to work at the level of the KGB !!!
      You do not remember for an hour - like this Contra stupidly overslept the USSR in 1991 ??they REALLY DO NOT DO country security then ....
      and now there will be more abrupt problems - than in the USSR. Some terrorists are worth ...
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 10 May 2018 12: 05
        +5
        Quote: your1970
        - it’s just a lot more complicated, as the battle with Telegram showed

        If you act globally, then it’s not harder. Like in China. Create your own filtered internet.
        Then there will be a 100% impact on the readership .. And then you see the youth stopped watching TV, these sources are cesspools only pensioners perceive. Urgently need to return the youth, ban them the Internet. Soloviev and all !!!! There is nothing to breed "libestnya" !!!!
        1. Topgun
          Topgun 12 May 2018 23: 01
          0
          China easily bypasses the "firewall" - their last wall on the Internet (you can ask anyone who has visited China)
          just ordinary Chinese have enough of their Internet, there are so many of them that they form their own self-sufficient Internet
          the Chinese worked for us (they built a factory), so when they all rested they sat on their "Internet", for all the time, even in Google, I never saw anyone go ...
  9. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 07: 56
    +26
    It’s a pity you can’t write obscenities, because it is felt that this author is a relative of either Yarovaya or Mezulina :)
    1. With what fright online games should arrange holidays that are in Russia? Are you friends with your head? Do you think it's so easy to take and make an event? Plus for every country? You are rare (then substitute any swear word yourself).
    2 Telegram lock by law? What is this law? Who did not give a damn about the Constitution of Russia, violating the secrecy of the correspondence of a citizen? Or according to the law that the blocking exit coincided purely by accident with the launch of a similar product from mail and VK that belong to Usmanov? ;) At the same time, we note that Viber and other systems do not block, although they did not give any keys. The product from VK is generally of the type (well, we understand that it is TYPE) also does not give keys to the security forces
    3. Do you think it is normal that fascist surveillance blocked more than 17 million IP addresses, putting a bunch of Internet resources? Are you friends with your head?
    4. Do you think it is normal that, according to Yarovaya’s law, all conversations and user content is stored for a month (although in fact, the most delicious will obviously be stored for life, because neural networks have long learned to recognize conf. Content)

    How much have you been paid to promote Fasciznadzor? We especially forgot to write that these Judas want to block ANY resources without trial! Or do not read the news? ;)

    Do you generally understand that the development of the IT industry is impossible in such conditions? If the country is used as a raw material appendage of the West, then yes - this is normal. But in order to develop it in other directions, there should not be such a mess, which is now happening thanks to state structures.

    You are here camouflaged in general, essentially speaking, calling for the Chinese Internet, wild censorship, criminal terms. This tin of course, as people like you hold the earth.

    You Judas, give freedom to the current, you’ll shut down the Internet altogether, and you’ll be pouring game through TV to sit in power for life, robbing the people.
    1. SOF
      SOF 10 May 2018 09: 13
      +8
      .... oooo .... how it all starts .... wassat
      Quote: Bad
      You are here camouflaged in general, essentially speaking, calling for the Chinese Internet, wild censorship, criminal terms. This tin of course, as people like you hold the earth.
      .......
      Quote: Bad
      .... Do you generally understand that the development of the IT industry is impossible in such conditions? If you use the country as a raw material appendage of the West, then yes - this is normal ....

      ..... and now tell the Chinese that the development of the IT industry in such conditions NOT POSSIBLE...
      wassat
      1. albert
        albert 10 May 2018 11: 29
        +7
        Quote: SOF
        .a now tell the Chinese that the development of the IT industry in such conditions is NOT POSSIBLE.

        In China, thieves are shot, unlike Russia.
        Quote: SOF
        Do you think it's so easy to take and make an event?

        Nevertheless, in a number of games they do this, League of Angels, for example (this is not an advertisement) lol
        1. SOF
          SOF 10 May 2018 12: 12
          +4
          Quote: albert
          In China, thieves are shot, unlike Russia

          .... III chooooo ????
          ... it follows that within the framework of the national Chinese firewall, Chinese IT technologies have bent into the bud? ... with this phrase you wanted to say it? wassat
          1. albert
            albert 10 May 2018 20: 28
            +1
            Quote: SOF
            .from this it follows that within the framework of the national Chinese firewall, Chinese IT technology has been bent in the bud? ... with this phrase you wanted to say it? wassat

            Exactly the opposite wink
    2. Hottabych
      Hottabych 10 May 2018 10: 17
      +8
      Quote: Bad
      Too bad you can’t write

      So this is a two-way stick. They can send you even tighter.
      Quote: Bad
      1. With what fright online games should arrange holidays that are in Russia? Are you friends with your head? Do you think it's so easy to take and make an event? Plus for every country? You are rare (then substitute any swear word yourself).

      Why not? Who is easy now? For promotion it would be only good. You came to a foreign market in a foreign country, so why not make you follow its rules? Indeed, this satanic helluin has already bought up and as a parent I want to clear the scoreboard to the one who promotes this nastiness with us.
      Quote: Bad
      At the same time, we note that Viber and other systems do not block, although they did not give any keys.

      Especially not given. Stop flabbering., All-knowing you are ours. Or are you one of those who think that Durov did not give the keys to Western services, living in a territory where Russia will not get it ?! laughing
      Quote: Bad
      You Judas, give freedom to the current, you’ll generally shut down the Internet,

      Just give the Jews you freedom, our children will spit in our faces on Victory Day! "Permissiveness is a great temptation that necessarily leads to sin." You’re Zluchny and don’t hide that there would be an opportunity you would obmaterit the author!
      And I mostly agree with the author ... And you, Zlyuchny, return from the Internet to Earth, otherwise it will drag out!
      1. Semen1972
        Semen1972 10 May 2018 12: 14
        +1
        Quote: Hottabych
        Just give the Jews you freedom, our children will spit in our faces on Victory Day!

        That's why liberal Putin is in power, and not the populist Zhirinovsky and Suraikin ... Do not see you such bans as his ears ...))
    3. Nikita Sotnikov
      Nikita Sotnikov 10 May 2018 13: 11
      +7
      I will subscribe to almost all of your items.
      I will add that the author complains that no one controls the game. There is an age restriction on any game, the rest is upbringing, and this is no longer the business of the state, the work of parents.
      About wargaming: everyone as they want (within the framework of laws) optimizes their taxation. Our members of the Federation Council and the State Duma hide their property in offshore and manage it (although they are not legally entitled to engage in entrepreneurial activity).
  10. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 07: 57
    +6
    Quote: cedar
    Enlighten me, dear ... On whose servers is the Internet and if among them are our Russian?


    You first read the specifics of the Internet, so as not to carry such heresy :)
  11. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 08: 05
    +7
    Quote: Brigadier
    Although in my opinion, it would be much more beneficial for Russia if our "oligarchs" were forbidden to transfer money to offshore! But for some reason, NOBODY of our rulers wants to ban ...
    I wonder why? After all, there is nothing easier ...


    Offshore companies are not for tax evasion, but so that the business is not squeezed out. When you start a business, and your net income exceeds a couple of hundred thousand bucks a month, you will also transfer your business to offshore, well, or send you to a pre-trial detention center for drug possession, and quickly transfer the business to another relative of the official.

    There is nothing easier than introducing anti-corruption rules from the series - Revenues = Expenses, you can’t prove where you got your cottage for a couple of million bucks - a fine and a prison. How it is done over the hill in many countries. But we will not have this when it will not happen, because it is beneficial for the authorities that the lower executive and power authorities have jambs on this simpler one, it is easy to manipulate them, because they will stand in a pose and sit down.
    1. Hottabych
      Hottabych 10 May 2018 09: 46
      +3
      Quote: Bad
      Offshore companies are not for tax evasion, but so that the business is not squeezed out

      And in offshore that there is no one to squeeze? lol
      1. Sam_gosling
        Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 10: 25
        +5
        For this they are done, that there is no one. Otherwise, if they squeeze it out, then why are they needed?
        1. Hottabych
          Hottabych 10 May 2018 11: 01
          +3
          To conceal taxes. wink And yes, some independence from one state, by dependence on another (more precisely - other laughing ).
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 10 May 2018 12: 15
            +2
            Quote: Hottabych
            And yes, some independence from one state, by dependence on another (more precisely, other laughing).

            Dependence on those others is better than honest weaning from one's own.
  12. Tired
    Tired 10 May 2018 08: 07
    +19
    Nonsense about angry computer games that make people commit evil deeds is chewing rubbish for a long time. Rich majors commit crimes precisely because they are rich majors. I doubt that they generally need to play games - their life itself is a game. Computer games where you can steal cars scare? What about board role-playing games where you can at least vampire, at least play a demon? What about the entire thriller genre in cinema and literature? "Silence of the Lambs" also forbid and not let go? And not only thriller. At one time, in Germany, Young Werther’s Suffering was accused of forcing young people to commit suicide. The fact that this Goethe's work only reflected the reality at that time did not occur to the prosecutors, just as it does not come to modern exposers of computer and video games. Because it’s easier to blame games, films, books, music, pictures, anything, but not a society that gives rise to juvenile suicides and frenzied males from impunity. Therefore, it’s easier to blame for the existence of such people as Baghdasaryan and Shamsuarov, not the capitalist system operating in Russia, but a computer game where you can steal cars. Easier, but it's hypocrisy. For any works of art reflect reality and do not create it. And what can a naked elf do not suit a normal guy? Does anyone really need naked elves instead?
    1. Hottabych
      Hottabych 10 May 2018 10: 35
      +5
      Quote: Tired
      Nonsense about angry computer games that make people commit evil deeds is chewing rubbish for a long time. Rich majors commit crimes precisely because they are rich majors.

      Yes, I do not care about the majors. They, this is primarily the problem of their parents. You need to think about your children, how they will grow up, when around it ...!
      1. Tired
        Tired 10 May 2018 11: 06
        +13
        Around the children, primarily their parents. Good parents and children grow up to be good people. Whatever games they play. And the children who replenish the file cabinet of the children's room of the police most often do not have a computer at all, and their parents either lead an antisocial lifestyle or simply hammer on their duties. And these same irresponsible, bad parents blame the games, the Internet and everything else except themselves when their children begin to do really bad things.

        Rich majors are the problem of the whole society because other people die because of them. And the Internet community, thanks to the ability to freely exchange information, allows you to cover their criminal acts, to attract the attention of the public and justice authorities. A vivid example here is the story of Alyosha Shimko - the online community has played a significant role in drawing attention to the vile slander of this unfortunate child. And it is precisely because of this social role of Internet communities that the rich and influential bourgeoisie wish, through censorship, to protect their children, lovers and themselves from attention to their antisocial acts. Internet censorship advocated by the author is nothing more than a whip in the hands of the bourgeoisie.
        1. Hottabych
          Hottabych 10 May 2018 11: 21
          +4
          I look at pedagogy, you have the most direct relation, right? Ask people who know this matter.
          Raising a child, I really do not want anyone to shamelessly cross out all your work.
          Quote: Tired
          Good parents and children grow up to be good people.

          Would you know how many cases where this rule does not work ...
          1. Tired
            Tired 10 May 2018 11: 32
            +10
            If all of your labors can be crossed out by a video game, then your labors are worthless. And cases when the rule "good parents = good children" does not work disappearingly little. And then these exceptions are caused by the appearance of a factor at least equal to the parents. No works of art or popular culture belong to such factors.
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 10 May 2018 14: 32
              +2
              Well, yes, walking with the child along the street and seeing a swearing, naked freak who shows bad things to all passers-by, I think the first reaction you will get is to mess up his nose, and the second is to ask the question “where is the police looking”?
              Here you are at least together with the child, but on the Internet he is most often alone and you do not know what he is doing there and where he can be drawn. About the fact that the child needs to explain all this and chew that it is possible that it is impossible, you can not tell here they are not talking about this. And about the fact that people who want to convey this muck to your child are much trickier than him and even you. Therefore, the state should also monitor this. But the problem is that our state does not have such opportunities, and if anyone can control it, then these are the States.
              And all this gorlopanstvo about freedom of speech and correspondence, which you are deprived of - all this is nonsense! The same States can see whatever they want. And if you think differently that a telegram has a network that cannot be decrypted even by the telegram itself, then you are naive!
              1. Tired
                Tired 10 May 2018 15: 36
                +7
                This is where you have to go to accidentally stumble on naked and swearing freaks? In what abandoned places I didn’t go (a couple of times I even ran into a forest or a swamp), but I didn’t see such a miracle. Your example is absurdly spherical.

                On the Internet there are browsers for minors, smartphones with parental controls and a lot of programs to control traffic. If you do not want your child, for example, to accidentally go to a porn site - just use any of these mechanisms. It only takes you five minutes. And if your child himself actively wants to climb hardcore porn sites or suicide groups, then this is for you, as a parent, you need to ask serious questions.

                The question with the telegram is not even the secret of correspondence, but the illiterate way to violate it, which Roskomnadzor chose. Just take a look at the topic.
                1. Hottabych
                  Hottabych 10 May 2018 16: 09
                  +3
                  Quote: Tired
                  This is where you have to go to accidentally stumble on naked and swearing freaks? In what abandoned places I didn’t go (a couple of times I even ran into a forest or a swamp), but I didn’t see such a miracle. Your example is absurdly spherical.

                  I’m saying that such behavior is abnormal for society and people are wondering why “such a creature” is not isolated. And for a long time such a person in this form does not resemble him, they will rather be reproached somewhere. Why should this be on the Internet? Why do you need it?
                  Quote: Tired
                  And if your child himself actively wants to climb hardcore porn sites or suicide groups, then this is for you, as a parent, you need to ask serious questions.

                  Both the parent and the state bear responsibility equally, but the state is clearly evaded in the event of a tragedy.
                  You try to understand what you are saying, you don’t need to catch drug dealers, right? If a person is hooked on a needle, then he is to blame. Guilty, I do not argue, but you have to catch the villains! And the villains will be more cunning than you, you will not know anything. Adults are being talked about children!
                  1. Tired
                    Tired 10 May 2018 16: 30
                    +4
                    On the Internet, you will not see this conditional freak unless you start actively looking for it yourself. And with children's browsers and smartphones with limited access already indicated by me, you will not find it even if you actively search. So your example is completely wrong.

                    "You don’t need to catch drug dealers" - where did you get this from? For the distribution of drugs there is a criminal article. And it’s quite enough

                    “Both the parent and the state bear responsibility” - no, parents bear primary responsibility. Parents who want to push the upbringing of their children to the state are simply irresponsible. It is the parents who raise their children and no one else is required to do this for them.
                    1. Hottabych
                      Hottabych 10 May 2018 16: 58
                      +3
                      Quote: Tired
                      On the Internet, you will not see this conditional freak unless you start actively looking for it yourself. And with children's browsers and smartphones with limited access already indicated by me, you will not find it even if you actively search. So your example is completely wrong.

                      "

                      You are very naive, Alexander.
                      Quote: Tired
                      "You don’t need to catch drug dealers" - where did you get this from? For the distribution of drugs there is a criminal article. And it’s quite enough

                      Here I am talking about too. And this is just one of the dangers that the network holds.
                      Quote: Tired
                      no, parents have primary responsibility.

                      This is indisputable, we love our children more than the state, respectively, and bear a great moral responsibility. But according to the code, as I tell you. Do not say what you do not know. If the child is in school, in sports. sections, kindergarten, etc. etc. someone who is trying to offer something illegal or life-threatening, the state bears the responsibility in the person of these institutions. Internet is harder. Firewalls, gateways, and other things you describe help you at home and with your devices. And when does he go online with a friend or from his device? Therefore, the network also needs order. But you can argue about this ad infinitum, as about allowing the sale of weapons ... wink
                      1. Tired
                        Tired 10 May 2018 17: 32
                        +5
                        And to combat this specific danger (contacts with drug dealers on the network), all the necessary tools already exist.

                        If the child is in school, in sports. sections, kindergarten, etc. etc. if someone is trying to offer something illegal or life-threatening, he will react to it because you, his parent, taught him. He will respond within the boundaries that you outlined in the culture that you instilled in him. Is he accessing the Internet from a friend or from his device? Therefore, you need to be interested in your child who his friends are - to talk with him and to have him. And most importantly: if your child can already go to another home, then he is already years old to be fed with the product of your upbringing and react to the strangeness of his close friend in accordance with what you put into his head.

                        So this whole topic all rests on the family. And finally, information for consideration: the game Mortal Kombat, at one time, was played by millions of children across Russia. But only a few of them became criminals, and more importantly, not all of the children of that time who became criminals played this game.
          2. Semen1972
            Semen1972 10 May 2018 14: 30
            +4
            Quote: Hottabych
            Would you know how many cases where this rule does not work ...

            In the USSR there were no computers and the Internet. and the criminals were ... can you explain this?
        2. Hottabych
          Hottabych 10 May 2018 14: 48
          +2
          Quote: Tired
          And it is precisely because of this social role of Internet communities that the rich and influential bourgeoisie wish, through censorship, to protect their children, lovers and themselves from attention to their antisocial acts. Internet censorship advocated by the author is nothing more than a whip in the hands of the bourgeoisie.

          This makes no sense! negative It's not about hiding something. Do you really think that the States "friendly" to us, seeing everything and everything, will be silent and cover our bourgeoisie? The point is that the special services of the country in which he works have access to instant messengers.
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 10 May 2018 15: 52
            +4
            Quote: Hottabych
            The point is that the special services of the country in which he works have access to instant messengers.

            We need to go further ... in each apartment, room and toilet, install cameras and microphones .. otherwise the terrorists will communicate, as in the old days ... and we will all die !!!
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 10 May 2018 16: 19
              +2
              C'mon, you already have so many of them, now the cameras are already in the fridges and televisions and smartphones. Soon they will put in the toilet. And they will take it, believe me. laughing
              1. Semen1972
                Semen1972 10 May 2018 17: 44
                +1
                Quote: Hottabych
                C'mon, you already have so many of them, now the cameras are already in the fridges and televisions and smartphones. Soon they will put in the toilet. And they will take, believe

                And if my push starts to block and the entire riser in the house flies ... the problem will be ...
                1. Hottabych
                  Hottabych 11 May 2018 15: 22
                  0
                  But, with a camera in the clean and jerk, you can determine hemorrhoids at an early stage. wink
                  True, they will not tell you about this, so as not to burn down !!! laughing
          2. Tired
            Tired 10 May 2018 16: 03
            +4
            Censorship on the Internet has been enjoying for quite some time and the telegram does not stand out with anything special here, except for the extremely clumsy work of Roskomnadzor.

            Are you really going to hope for the USA in the matter of covering the precedents of impunity for the bourgeoisie and their children and mistresses? For the Russians themselves, is civil control over such things necessary or not? Ask what kind of kipish was raised before attention was drawn to the completely absurd conclusion about the intoxication of Alyosha Shimko. It was thanks to this boil that this business was not covered up, although the results are still not very serious. The killer was sentenced to three years, but was given a reprieve. Forensic scientist, only charged with negligence. And if it was your child? If this was the only way for you to pay attention to this injustice was the notorious freedom of speech?

            This is exactly what the increasing pressure on the Internet community. Take an interest in the draft order "On approval of the Procedure for identifying information resources in order to take measures to limit access to information resources."
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 10 May 2018 17: 46
              +1
              In your opinion, it sounds like this: “Let's take the weapon from the police, or they will shoot someone ...” Some kind of nonsense. If we have a rotten system, this does not mean that we need to spit on everything. The Internet will protect us.
              1. Tired
                Tired 10 May 2018 17: 55
                +2
                In my opinion, it sounds like this: "Let's strictly define the boundaries of the use of force by police officers and monitor compliance with these boundaries."
      2. Semen1972
        Semen1972 10 May 2018 12: 16
        0
        Quote: Hottabych
        it’s really necessary to think about your children, how they will grow up when there is such a thing around ...!

        Which one?)))
  13. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 10 May 2018 08: 26
    +15
    Well, yes - games instill cruelty, etc. An old song that smelled of incense ...
    Firstly: how does the author generally plan to organize all these locks? Physically isolate the Russian segment?
    Secondly and most importantly, something that will never reach ethical engineers: censorship should be in one’s own head. And only so. You don’t want to eat shit - don’t whine that they shove it to you, but just don’t eat it.
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 10: 25
      +2
      the author alludes to the great Chinese firewall.
    2. Hottabych
      Hottabych 10 May 2018 10: 37
      +3
      Quote: Fedorovich
      You don’t want to eat shit - don’t whine that they shove it to you, but just don’t eat it.

      You probably do not have children who, due to their age, eat everything in a row!
      1. Fedorovich
        Fedorovich 10 May 2018 10: 46
        +6
        That is, you cannot raise children. Everything is clear with you ...
        1. Hottabych
          Hottabych 10 May 2018 11: 08
          +3
          Well yes, that’s the easiest way for you to answer ...
          1. Fedorovich
            Fedorovich 10 May 2018 11: 18
            +4
            The drain is counted, cho.
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 10 May 2018 14: 38
              +2
              I don’t know Fedorovich how old you are, but I think a little. lol I am not trying to merge you or show my superiority over you or insult anything, unlike you.
              1. The_X_Factor
                The_X_Factor 10 May 2018 19: 40
                0
                you're not trying, and he leaked you. Kagbe has nothing to say to you there.
                1. Hottabych
                  Hottabych 11 May 2018 15: 31
                  0
                  My friend, leaked and insulted - these are completely different things! Due to your age, you still do not understand this. Well, if dad doesn’t explain this to you, then I think life will teach you anyway ...
                  1. The_X_Factor
                    The_X_Factor 11 May 2018 15: 55
                    0
                    Tell me more about age, child.
      2. KERMET
        KERMET 10 May 2018 13: 03
        +3
        Have you heard such an expression - the forbidden fruit is sweet?
        It’s me that with your prohibitions you will only push young people to this
  14. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 10 May 2018 08: 30
    +13
    "- Tell me, why are you fighting for the restriction of freedom on the Internet?
    - Because he is seating bad thoughts in the heads of our children. They are used by terrorists to destroy our country!
    “Wow, have you personally observed such emancipated and disgusting behavior?”
    - What are you, I'm not on the Internet, they told me that! "

    If you start talking seriously, then to fully explain the author’s incompetence in the question, you need to create an article for the answer. For now, I will limit myself to answering as a representative of the population that I UNDERSTAND how the Internet works.
    To begin with, I want to please you, with your desire for "cleanliness" and safety, you have already ruined all domestic cinema and animation. Even in the USSR, despite all the restrictions, the state in every way encouraged the directors who created the nationwide masterpieces. Our FC (cinema fund) so far can only interfere with foreign films, instead of helping domestic ones (shifting the date of the Avengers premiere is much cheaper than investing in the education and production of cinema and animation). And even more so, I would not touch the topic of online games - simply because it is clear that the author does not even understand how the market works and the features of the genre, trying to prove something there. Again, if it comes to the response article, I will explain in more detail the reason for the nonsense.
    The Internet is an information field that helps and accelerates the development of society throughout the world. And only here in Russia, people are sitting in the government that they want to ban it, and they don’t give a damn. If anything, they will leave for their second citizenship in the same USA and Canada, where the "archaic" Internet has created their modern economy. And the whole struggle with the Internet is an attempt to burn the mill because of one rat hiding in it.
    In the meantime, I repeat, this looks like a conservative grumbling of a person in a matter in which he understands nothing.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 10 May 2018 09: 11
      +1
      The question is, is there any point in explaining this? All the same, they don’t understand.
    2. Hottabych
      Hottabych 10 May 2018 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: Mustachioed Kok
      For starters, I want to please you, with your desire for "cleanliness" and safety, you have already ruined all domestic cinema and animation.

      And what does not suit you with modern domestic animation? What are some examples?
      1. Sam_gosling
        Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 14: 05
        +2
        "Children vs. Wizards." A great example of modern domestic animation on state money. laughing
        1. Hottabych
          Hottabych 10 May 2018 14: 41
          +3
          It happens. laughing But I can tell you a lot more of our modern cartoons, which are an order of magnitude better than the imported shit that they push into the air for our children.
          1. Sam_gosling
            Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 18: 50
            +1
            I don’t argue, but note that everything where the state sticks its nose takes on grotesque forms in all manifestations, from graphics and plot to budget.
          2. Mimoprohodil
            Mimoprohodil 11 May 2018 10: 04
            0
            Is this an order of magnitude better? . It is generally necessary to do 2 cartoons per year. Three heroes and Dracula, Three heroes and chupacabra and so on.
      2. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil 11 May 2018 09: 49
        0
        Three heroes, starting from 4-5 parts
    3. The_X_Factor
      The_X_Factor 10 May 2018 19: 42
      0
      Write the answer, bro. I am pleased to read.
  15. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 10 May 2018 09: 08
    +6
    Author: Viktor Kuzovkov
    This is what happens when the cook begins to talk about what he doesn’t understand.
    Enough of all such cooks and swineherds is enough for us.
    Go and turn the cows tails once more is not enough. And don’t go wherever they ask.
    Damn found here expert. First, take your hands out of your ass, but wait until the brains are delivered to the general store.
    About smersh 2.0 and that nonsense was more interesting

    There is no point in discussing something else, for the stupidity is hopeless.
    It seems that the author decided to commit suicide by means of drowning by drowning by planting in a puddle.
  16. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 09: 18
    +4
    Quote: Mustachioed Kok
    The Internet is an information field that helps and accelerates the development of society throughout the world. And only here in Russia, people are sitting in the government that they want to ban it, and they don’t give a damn. If anything, they will leave for their second citizenship in the same USA and Canada, where the "archaic" Internet has created their modern economy. And the whole struggle with the Internet is an attempt to burn the mill because of one rat hiding in it.


    Moreover, the same Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, is the richest man on the planet, and he earned it on IT products and areas close to this industry. Not only that, his company is projected to be the first company in the world to reach $ 1 trillion in capitalization.! This is more than all Russian companies.
    Mustache Kok - please write an answer article.
  17. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 09: 21
    +2
    Quote: SOF
    .... oooo .... how it all starts .... wassat
    Quote: Bad
    You are here camouflaged in general, essentially speaking, calling for the Chinese Internet, wild censorship, criminal terms. This tin of course, as people like you hold the earth.
    .......
    Quote: Bad
    .... Do you generally understand that the development of the IT industry is impossible in such conditions? If you use the country as a raw material appendage of the West, then yes - this is normal ....

    ..... and now tell the Chinese that the development of the IT industry in such conditions NOT POSSIBLE...
    wassat


    And do you know a lot of Chinese IT companies on a global scale? I suppose you mean online games, I can list high-quality current on the fingers of one hand.
    Their IT product market consists almost entirely of clones of popular resources (Facebook, Google, Viber, etc.), and they work within their own country.
    Or hackers mean? So they are even in North Korea :)
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 10: 30
      +3
      Quote: Bad
      And do you know a lot of Chinese IT companies on a global scale?

      All these canoes and their ilk, as well as VK, Mail.ru and Yandex are clones of giants from Palo Alto and Cupertino. But they, too, are doing something. Being second is better than not being at all. Success is essentially an example of a Russian telegram. The guys rested and could.
  18. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 10 May 2018 09: 23
    +3
    It is especially remarkable that the author is dissatisfied with the fact that everyone who is on the internet writes all kinds of game.
    Bees versus honey? Not?
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 14: 06
      0
      Rather, the Hottentot ethics. This is normal for someone.
  19. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 09: 23
    +7
    Quote: Rusticolus
    The question is, is there any point in explaining this? All the same, they don’t understand.


    To the author - there is no point. But the problem is that such dodges pour a bunch of lies to readers, who will multiply this lie even later. And we get as a result:
    - all telegram users are terrorists or support terrorism;
    - all who are against censorship on the Internet, enemies of the people;
    - The USA and liberals are to blame for everything, it’s they who steal the asphalt at night
    and other game :))
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 10 May 2018 09: 35
      0
      Well, in this case, it turns out that we are already in the middle of a network civil war.
      All formal signs are there.

      Accordingly, in order to decide whether or not to lose, we must first decide which side of the barricade you are on.
      And the actions of RNA fall under the definition of WMD.
    2. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 10: 32
      +1
      I completely agree. Some network users are worth classmates.
  20. Altona
    Altona 10 May 2018 09: 32
    0
    A search on Aeroflot airplanes showed that many of our companies are not patriots, but Cypriots or berry Muds, like the ever-memorable Aeroflot. Yandex and other news portals serve as "Deutsche Wochenschau" - Russia has again gotten into a mess in about the same way.
  21. Vladimirovich_4
    Vladimirovich_4 10 May 2018 09: 41
    +1
    Internet must be destroyed
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 10 May 2018 09: 46
      +1
      Yeah. Let's cut off the tail right to the head.
      The trick is that the Internet on distributed networks may survive, but the head will decay unambiguously. laughing
  22. Whowhy
    Whowhy 10 May 2018 09: 52
    +1
    Although I, in a global sense, agree with the author, but, in fact, this is babble. While the hardware is foreign in our country, there can be no talk of any serious sovereignty, in principle. As soon as this “sovereignty” is seriously thrown to someone in the West for money, then sanctions will immediately follow for the sale of this very “iron” to Russia, and then completely different sovereignty will be covered ... you know what.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 10 May 2018 10: 18
      +2
      We have Chinese iron. Like everyone. And we seem to be friends with China.
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 13 May 2018 14: 51
        0
        Network hardware with us is mainly
        American
  23. Alex_59
    Alex_59 10 May 2018 10: 04
    +14
    With such a policy (censorship, blocking), the IT business will leave the country. Just imagine, but many have built a business on the same Cart, information for example. You spun the channel, invested, something began to work. And then again - and we are blocking you, hello. Well, tell me, why is Russian roulette such a business? For those who are younger, it’s easier to dump “there” and apply their skills and knowledge there. Outside there are 6 billion people, here only 145. Talented people who have brains, and an entrepreneurial streak in the IT sector will simply run up and you are sitting in your Russia with your braces and the Internet closed from the whole world! Well, it’s been through already. Why repeat it?
    And sooner or later, with such prohibitions, the nut breaks. When those who "were there" tell those "who are here" about how everything is free, beautiful and easy in "there", and what darkness is here. Often these stories are unnecessarily embellished, but they act! Because when people decide what to watch and what to do, they easily believe in fairy tales, because they do not know how to separate adequate content from nonsense.
    It’s not necessary to shut off, but to cooperate with the IT business, to agree, to adapt to it somewhere, and somewhere, it can really really put a little pressure on it. Attract brains to work here, not run. Be more flexible. Creating your product is better than competitors (then the people will be ours to watch, not theirs).
    But for this, the state needs to recognize that a) it is not right and often acts erroneously, b) it is noticed and forgot that it, the state, is just hired officials in the service of people, and not vice versa. c) that with people and business, even small ones, one should communicate on equal terms, and not scream from top to bottom like a policeman for a hanyu.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 10 May 2018 10: 20
      +8
      I would add also d) all the same, it is necessary to develop at least a little and follow current trends, and not just to parrot about nanotechnology and innovation.
      1. Salomet
        Salomet 10 May 2018 20: 49
        0
        The two most sane comments in the whole thread. hi
        1. Antares
          Antares 12 May 2018 13: 04
          +1
          yes the reason is in control as usual in money. The author is not shy at the same time the slogans of the "official" (They defeated Germany in 1945-We defeat Telegrams in 2018!)
          but also banal control over money in the IT sphere. They want money, sir.
          Do not develop, but control and receive money from it.
          When we begin to control for the sake of money, then everything begins to be unprofitable.
          As in that joke, in our country with such a rate, only thefts (not taxed) and the sale of drugs (high degree of profitability) are profitable
          As soon as they fully control IT, they will cut strongly. (I exaggerate, but the meaning is the same)
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 May 2018 06: 50
      0
      Damn, here I subscribe to every word. Neither add nor diminish. good
  24. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 10: 50
    +7
    Quote: Hottabych
    Especially not given. Stop flabbering., All-knowing you are ours. Or are you one of those who think that Durov did not give the keys to Western services, living in a territory where Russia will not get it ?!


    I am sure of this;) For the safety of the Telegram is the CORE, the basis of the whole product. This time.
    The second - even purely theoretically, suppose he gave the US keys. AND? I’m on the drum for it, because I trust the United States more than the thieving our officials, or security officials. Have you ever seen at least one official or security official behind a rank higher than a major who lives on a salary? I don’t, but I know there are probably more than a hundred of them :)
    Thirdly, he lives behind a hillock, precisely because they got him at one time, SURROUNDING his brainchild - Vkontakte. Or did Everyone lose their memory here, what happened when this happened?
    Fourth - if you had a flow of money, you would not have lived in Russia either :)
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 May 2018 06: 52
      0
      Quote: Bad
      if you had a flow of money, you would not live in Russia either
      In fairness, having a lot of money and not having personal protection, living in Russia is simply dangerous, especially far from Moscow and St. Petersburg.
  25. Sobol
    Sobol 10 May 2018 10: 52
    +6
    In my opinion, any game (including online) has age restrictions. If parents admit a minor child to games with a rating of 18+, then this is the fault of the parents, not the developers. As for bloggers, YouTube and more. Make all this public register as an emergency and let them pay taxes, as well as fines for obscenities, propaganda of nasty things and other violations.
  26. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 11: 01
    +10
    Quote: Hottabych
    Just give the Jews you freedom, our children will spit in our faces on Victory Day! "Permissiveness is a great temptation that necessarily leads to sin." You’re Zluchny and don’t hide that there would be an opportunity you would obmaterit the author!


    I would swear at you, and would give you a mug. For liars of current understand such a thing :) For with what fright, you started to hang your conclusions on me, from the series - about temptation, etc.? You don’t scratch me about the sins of the current here, especially knowing how our clergy live "poorly", do not give a damn about the "tormented and miserable."

    We now have permissiveness in the Government and those mongrels who look in her mouth and do not think. It is necessary to close someone - we will close it, we must plant it - we will plant it, it is necessary to ... with whips - it is easy.
    Especially the latter “liked” that rallies were dispersed by mummified Cossacks, beating people with whips, and the police stood and pretended to be out of business. THIS IS NORMAL?
    Like you, twist the LAW as you wish, and as you benefit. And not as necessary for the majority and development of the country.
    And how much game you pour into your ears through TV, it’s just marvelous - even the increase in the retirement age was given UNDERWAY. They began to live longer, so you can increase your pension. Those. before the average pensioner did not live up to retirement, and now he will not. The mob has no right to rest, not even a pension. It’s just some game, but the USSR, compared to what is happening now, is paradise.

    The main thing is that even I am a patriot of my country, a person who does not like the opposition, Navalny and others - after recent events, I do not want to identify myself with the current government, because I do not want my children to live in a country like North Korea. And I especially do not want them to live with scumbags who believe that the Law can be twisted as they please, do not give a damn about the Constitution, conscience and honor.
  27. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 10 May 2018 11: 20
    +5
    I read the article and was surprised ... I read the comments and was horrified. Too lazy to read the article, one can briefly say the essence of the full support of Roskomnadzor and hurray to tighten the screws, comments for the most part can be reduced to the thesis about the constitution and freedom of speech and about a business that cannot be developed without an Internet.
    So let's try in order:
    1) The fact is that the constitution is only a document that contains the direct will of the people. It can be adjusted. The procedure is written in it. While the constitution is that which is and there is no other.
    2) The legality of the actions of deputies when adopting the Yarovaya law does raise questions. But the law has been adopted and not repealed, therefore, it is necessary to comply.
    3) In general, for most of the business, the Internet is nothing more than a crutch, not such a large percentage of citizens of the Russian Federation are engaged exclusively in the production of IT technologies, for the majority it is simply advertising or derived from the main activity.
    4) In my opinion, freedom of speech in the internet should be, including the mat, naked “elves” who need “elves”.
    5) The issue of access to the Internet of children should be regulated by their parents; there simply should be simple means of identifying content and administering in browsers.
    6) The need for patriotic and other moral education is from the evil one. As well as the requirements for the school for education and other organizations. The Internet is just a connection, and if you want to educate something, make it interesting and you will be happy.
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 10 May 2018 11: 35
      +4
      Quote: Alex2048
      3) In general, for most of the business, the Internet is nothing more than a crutch, not such a large percentage of citizens of the Russian Federation are engaged exclusively in the production of IT technologies, for the majority it is simply advertising or derived from the main activity.

      Unfortunately, one cannot agree with this. Maybe for B2B's business this is so, because to supply steel products - social networks are not needed. But for B2C, I would say that the Internet is not even needed as such, but even more so. If you are not in the client’s smartphone, then you simply do not exist. You are absent. Without direct and social networks, it becomes simply impossible to work. No matter what you offer - baking, cross-stitching, translation services or car sales.
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 10 May 2018 20: 40
        0
        If all business companies, private users, etc. chop off the Internet at once that no one will receive competitive advantages and the status quo will be maintained. wink wink
    2. would
      would 10 May 2018 15: 53
      +3
      3) And that is why a huge number of payments are made via the Internet. Do you have a bank card? As well as the majority of the population. Precisely because it is a “crutch”, all self-respecting companies have websites, many individuals have websites, and everything and everything is sold through the Internet. Really a “crutch”, I will not even argue.
    3. Pavel Zhuravlev
      Pavel Zhuravlev 11 May 2018 11: 51
      +2
      But the law has been adopted and not repealed, therefore, it is necessary to comply.

      The Führer said, these Jews - into the gas chamber. I don’t like it, but what to do, he’s the main one, he knows better.
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 13 May 2018 22: 16
        +1
        In my opinion, the problem of legal nigelism has long been resolved. I do not like the law, choose those who pass the law that you like, and with the rest of the ideas you will probably see Novalny. Or to the thought itself, or maybe to prison ... here, as they say, it depends on the radical nature of ideas and how to implement them.
  28. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 10 May 2018 11: 40
    +5
    in the media space we are being spoiled by anyone who knows how, on the History channel, an imposing little man with a claim to science tells about hundreds of thousands of soldiers shot by the NKVD detachments (specify in the documents that they were only in the rear and caught spies and saboteurs, in mostly at the junction stations, not fate), they again bring us in the “Armory Baron”, about the delivery of Russian weapons to bandits, again a filmets, where Jackie Chan smashes crowds of stupid Russian, we have censorship on television, but not Russian, but pro-Western , about the mass disinformation and the Internet in general I am silent
  29. Semen1972
    Semen1972 10 May 2018 11: 52
    +7
    But go to "YouTube" to some popular blogger - regular "hookah parties", vape

    Afftor burns !!! )) And go to Uncle Vasya on the weekend .. There it’s smoked, booze all around, unsanitary conditions ... it will be abruptly "wipe" to you)))
    An excellent feuilleton "Wick" from the distant USSR ... They forgot to post a caricature of a blogger, one with a blue nose from a wipe))) In addition to the headings "opinion", "analytics" and "news", you need to add "humor", otherwise they can and take it seriously))) Personally, I had fun from the heart .. to the author a fat plus, an excellent parody of Caesura! )
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 10 May 2018 14: 07
      +1
      I would support you with all arms and legs.
    2. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 10 May 2018 20: 48
      0
      I would support you with arms and legs, but ... the author seems quite seriously considering that he created an analytical creation.
      In general, in people like the above-mentioned journalistic article they like to talk a lot about the mechanisms of how you can force someone to do something on the Internet and very little about what you need and by what means and methods to upload both to fragile children's minds and to yourself mature adults.
      Here, in general, the author can plus put it at least wrote something about why forcing someone on the Internet to do something.
  30. Olfred
    Olfred 10 May 2018 12: 04
    +6
    Again 25 ... Deny everything, control everything. The games are to blame - along the way the author is a tough conservative))) And what is the role of the parents? Let's take the upbringing of children to the state, there will be something new))) I agree only about patriotism ... Sorry, but if parents can not teach the child (and themselves) at least not to throw bags (and other garbage) on the street and throw into the container, and not 20 meters from it, then what kind of patriotism are we talking about? The game industry brings enormous headstock, coupled with the development of hardware, and soon will not differ from reality at all laughing I think the author does not know that there is still VR, which, over time, will reach a new level and life will become easier there))) will you also control? Virtual police, say))) hi
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 10 May 2018 16: 22
      +5
      Quote: OlfRed
      Games are to blame

      Yes, no, cover games ... Suddenly, the King in the Internet will be unhappy .. how to cover it then?))
  31. Altona
    Altona 10 May 2018 12: 21
    +3
    Quote: Alex_59
    And sooner or later, with such prohibitions, the nut breaks. When those who "were there" tell those "who are here" about how everything is free, beautiful and easy in "there", and what darkness is here. Often these stories are unnecessarily embellished, but they act! Because when people decide what to watch and what to do, they easily believe in fairy tales, because they do not know how to separate adequate content from nonsense.

    --------------------------
    Yes, the Suslovian propaganda, with the absolute impossibility of real comparison, will work only in the red.
  32. Imobile
    Imobile 10 May 2018 12: 25
    +3
    How do I want to abandon the care of ILV and similar structures Yes, and on my money. The telegram works, but on the work of the program they constantly fall off. The router stopped updating, with YouTube there are constant problems, with a dozen more sites. MO a couple of times did not open and it is not clear whether it is connected with a telegram or not. I understand that in addition to Internet access, Russians need to pay for a VPN right away, which’s a blow to the family budget.
  33. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 12: 37
    +6
    The funniest thing will be when they make satellite Internet throughout the globe, the benefit of many companies now deal with this issue (Google, mask, etc.).
    Fascist surveillance, what will it do then? ;) Shoot the owners of the signal receivers?
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 10 May 2018 14: 17
      +1
      The hopes of the young men are nourished, you can immediately see with a question you, "on you." Buy seeds and wait.
    2. Mark9103
      Mark9103 10 May 2018 22: 05
      0
      According to the First (k) anal and Russia 1 we have "The most powerful air defense and pro in the world" (although I do not argue, it is quite possible). This is where air defense / pro comes in handy)))
  34. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 10 May 2018 14: 11
    0
    The freedom to pour dirt on our heads and keep us from fighting back? Do not confuse Altona freedom with permissiveness. We have already passed these liberal mantras. Individuals or organizations that engage in defamation, libel, violate laws should be punished by ruble, deprivation of accreditation, blocking on the Internet or finally imprisonment, depending on the severity of misconduct or crime. These are normal legal actions, and only in Russia they are practically not applied.
  35. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 10 May 2018 14: 21
    +6
    Do not block porn please !!!
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  37. The_X_Factor
    The_X_Factor 10 May 2018 15: 12
    +1
    I suggest the author to move all the same to China, whose experience he, of course, would not really want to ... But let him introduce his restrictions on his own children, and do not regulate everything with terrible force.
  38. Arkady Gaidar
    Arkady Gaidar 10 May 2018 15: 39
    +7
    For the umpteenth time in articles they talk about the Russian banner, the Russian idea, about maintaining peace and stability in the world, thanks to the Russians. But let's take it in order. Network games are business and nothing personal. This business pays taxes where it’s easier, therefore the Cyprus offshore. To the ideology, in the literal sense, the owners of network resources, to put it mildly, do not care. If a lot of money begins to pay them for the word "scum," they will make it a trend of the era, simply because it is profitable.
    Now about the information war. This is a war in which there are no cease-fires and breaks. It has been going on for millennia. People always clog their heads. Someone shooters, someone chasing, and some smart books, like Spinoza. And in games, developers understand that someone does not like blood, so you can customize the game so that the blood is not visible. And the author forgot to mention this, focusing on other extreme settings, when there is a lot of blood.
    Well, at the end of the article, the most important thing is "they can start sharing income!" And who told the author that the owners of the gaming business do not share income? Maybe they do not share with us, but unfasten to someone else? And why did the author need to touch on the theme of the rise of the Russian banner over Runet? The world is becoming global, but do we need to make this globalism Russian or something? Something more clearly can be stated what the author specifically wants?
  39. NordOst16
    NordOst16 10 May 2018 15: 48
    +4
    Well, if you do this, then from the games we will only have tic-tac-toe, and sea battle. For the most spectacular games are military subjects, and in such games censorship looks, to put it mildly, very strange.
    At the same time, any civil service likes to go too far. As for me, the entire bacchanalia with the Telegram blocking resembles a circus, while many ordinary citizens suffer, for which it is probably worth taking legal action, and large cones from ILV to be dismissed and fined.

    Our company Yandex, also in Cyprus, is registered and clearly not only because of taxes, but also because it is not uncommon for business in the Russian Federation to meet with various corruption obstacles.
  40. would
    would 10 May 2018 15: 49
    +7
    The question of whether we need to proclaim and defend Russian sovereignty over the Russian segment of the global network is becoming more and more obvious.


    In order for this question to be needed, that would be the very Russian segment of the global network. If the author does not know, then the network is global and thus it does not have clearly defined boundaries with a few exceptions. For example, such an exception in China and then it is very arbitrary. In order for there to be a certain national segment and national sovereignty, it is necessary for the network to be internal, that is, this is possible only on the intranet. Like in the DPRK.

    So, it is extremely strange to find that the game officially distributed by the Russian localizer will fill you with “holiday” congratulations and suggestions for some Halloween, but completely ignore our Victory Day. Moreover, it is strange even from a commercial point of view (indeed, an excellent reason for discounts and congratulations), therefore, involuntarily, thoughts of some kind of conspiracy creep in.
    I myself first encountered a similar one during another important official holiday - 12 of June, the Day of Russia. When I began to find out the reasons for such indifference of the Russian (I emphasize this!) Localizers of various gaming products, I was told the following in secret.
    It turns out that since quite a lot of Ukrainians play on Russian game servers, game manufacturers and localizers consider it inappropriate to at least somehow celebrate Russian state holidays - Ukrainian “onizdeti” may be offended and raise a howl. And the Russians, known for their tolerance, will quietly wipe out after another spit and continue to calmly kill their favorite game monsters.


    It’s immediately obvious that the author knows nothing at all

    1. Add a holiday to the game is not so simple. It is not easy to translate and rename, it is a direct intervention in the code of both the server and client parts of the game.
    2. They are not suitable for all games. How do you imagine on May 9th in the next MMORPG with orcs and elves? How will this even fit into the universe of the game? lol
    3. Russian-language versions are designed for the entire Russian-speaking population of the entire CIS. Accordingly, the question arises: Why should this be the day of Russia in the global game? And not for example, the Independence Day of Azerbaijan? The fact is that the publisher does not want to give privileges to any of the countries because the rest will want the same. Therefore, everything is on an equal footing and no one has state holidays in games. For example, I do not remember that in World of Warcraft would be celebrated US Independence Day.
    4. May 9 is in online games where it fits the game itself. World of Tanks and War Thunder celebrate it extremely massively.

    But instead of the reasons known to everyone, the author invented a certain “source” of his own which, purely in secret, told him that Ukrainians were to blame for everything, and the Russians would wipe themselves out. Pretty simple provocation.

    The most striking thing is that this area is not regulated at all. Roskomnadzor will tear anyone away for the image of the female breast, and will not say a word to anyone for the image of a human head bursting under the wheels of a car. Although sometimes it seems that it would be better the other way around: let them look at the naked "elves", but not kill the peaceful passers-by and the police. This, at least, at least does not cause aggression and does not put into the mind terrible behavioral stereotypes along with indifference to someone else’s life.
    Once again, this is not regulated at all. That is, somewhere there, at the level of the game developers, there may be no convincing age limit or the opportunity to replace the red color of blood with some other one. And in the most humane cases, you will be asked to choose the level of detail of scenes of violence. True, a teenager can choose and the maximum, in which the blood will splash the walls for many meters around. But who is, in general, interested in?


    And once again, the author shows that this entire article is a dummy from an illiterate scribble in question.

    1. For at least six years age-related restrictions on the sale of games. Moreover, the publishers themselves in Russia were the first to introduce them, without any law from the authorities. And such a law has been worked on in my memory of the year since 2014, including the development of our domestic rating. All this goes without saying, but it’s not at all "this sphere is not regulated at all in any way"
    2. No one is torn for the image of the female breast. Put on your site an age rating of 18+ and at least post. We de jure prohibited only pornography, not nudity.
    3. I directly see how most people sitting on violent articles played in GTA. Yeah, I believe.

    Well, this whole article was written for one single

    Indeed, with the “Telegram” blocking, everything is more or less obvious: there is a court decision, there is a fact of violation of Russian law, there is a reluctance of owners to eliminate the existing problems. Therefore, yes, it is necessary to block and it is advisable to do it in good faith, despite the annoying flaws and mistakes. Who has a dissenting opinion on this matter, let me remind you again: this is a court decision. Only a higher court can do something about this. Moreover, the Russian court. And whoever disagrees is an opponent of democracy and the rule of law.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 May 2018 06: 59
      0
      Quote: rait
      How do you imagine on May 9th in the next MMORPG with orcs and elves? How will this even fit into the universe of the game?
      The combined army of Gondor and Rohan storms Mordor with shouts "for Stalin !!!" drinks
      Quote: rait
      I just see how most of those sitting on violent articles played in GTA.
      GTAhi, by the way, in my opinion is the most serious age rating possible.
      1. would
        would 13 May 2018 07: 19
        0
        GTAhi, by the way, in my opinion is the most serious age rating possible.


        Well, this is a difficult question because the countries are different, the legislation in them is different, the rating agencies are different. GTA V has always received maximum ratings except ESRB which gave it 17+, the most stringent one is 18+.

        From myself I note that GTA V is not the most cruel game in this world. Not even close.

        The combined army of Gondor and Rohan storms Mordor shouting "for Stalin !!!"


        Exactly. And Russia’s day probably also meets good
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 13 May 2018 07: 30
          0
          Quote: rait
          GTA V has always received maximum ratings except ESRB which gave it 17+, the most stringent one is 18+.
          Hmm, for some reason I thought that in the USA they also have the maximum. Well, OK.
          Quote: rait
          GTA V is not the most cruel game in this world
          Well of course. Against the backdrop of all kinds of meat shooters and horror action games like Outlast and Alien Isolation, GTA looks like an easy post-shoot for schoolchildren.
  41. malaguena
    malaguena 10 May 2018 17: 03
    +7
    Author, would you even familiarize yourself with the materiel before writing.
    All Wargaming transactions in Russia go through the Russian branch of Game Stream LLC, which - here's a surprise - pays taxes to the Russian budget. The company’s "profit to half a billion dollars" is dripping from all regions - the CIS, America, Europe, Asia, and you will be surprised, but not 90%, or even 50% of this profit comes from the CIS region.

    Well and further:

    It turns out that quite a lot of people of Ukraine play on Russian game servers, game manufacturers and localizers find it inappropriate to somehow celebrate Russian public holidays - Ukrainian "children" can be offended and raise a howl - Excuse me, is it possible to source such information? Insider there from the depths of igrostroi, or some research. And it is still very similar to the opinion of the author himself, presented as "well, everyone knows that!"

    "A serious examination by psychologists, psychiatrists and educators" - Do we still have teachers and psychologists specializing in video games? And then you will come across an "expert", like the one with the cat tail in the figure of the male genital ** th means - and hello.

    "distributors of games like the well-known" Steam "would block access to questionable products on demand, without further ado" “I'll tell you what will happen.” Immediately, Steam will simply dump the CIS market. This means that localizations will cease to be issued, prices for games will increase two-three times (and now prices for games for the CIS in Art. Are artificially low). This will lead to the fact that players who buy games on this platform now will go to torrent trackers. Not all, but up to 90%. I’ll personally go away. That is, you directly indulge game piracy. Or what - block torrents? This sentence is very similar to a way to extinguish a fire with gasoline.

    "go to YouTube for some popular blogger - regular“ hookah parties ”, vaping, discussion of varieties of“ tasty ”tobacco or“ slurry ”(the so-called e-liquid for cigarettes, which may contain various excipients, including nicotine ) " - yeah, let the youth audience instead of vapes, in which nicotine may be added, or may not be added, go and buy cigarettes, into which nicotine is added absolutely precisely. Great idea! Is this something like an idea to ban sex lessons in schools, and then wonder why this STD and an unwanted pregnancy among young people jumped up sharply?

    In short, I got the impression that the author is a classic "watchman" who has only one way to respond to something: "PROHIBIT! DO NOT PUSH !!" I wonder if the author is sitting on a bench near the house, and if he is, does Manka from the 34th apartment call a prostitute because she wears a miniskirt?
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 12 May 2018 21: 13
      -1
      After one passage about video games, the author can be diagnosed.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 May 2018 07: 02
      0
      Quote: malaguena
      Or what - block torrents?
      So already blocked, aha. Yesterday, I downloaded a fresh build of Windows 10 with nnm-club, and then I sit there and think, "but how I did it, they blocked the torrents!" request
  42. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 17: 31
    +3
    Quote: Semen1972
    Quote: Hottabych
    The point is that the special services of the country in which he works have access to instant messengers.

    We need to go further ... in each apartment, room and toilet, install cameras and microphones .. otherwise the terrorists will communicate, as in the old days ... and we will all die !!!


    Phones need to be banned simply, and people pull out languages ​​and break their fingers - they will not be able to speak and write. Terrorism is defeated
  43. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 10 May 2018 17: 42
    +3
    Ignorance is truly a demonic force, and we are confident that it will cause many tragedies. (c) Karl Marx
  44. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 10 May 2018 18: 00
    +4
    Freedom is not permissiveness, freedom is responsibility.
    Bans do not solve the problem. Society itself is not the healthiest now. And on a global scale.
    No Goal.
    This is when a person lives, earns .. But at some point a spleen will flood .. But for what all this? What for? And my heart aches in incomprehensible longing ..
    When there is ideology, then there will be a pivot in people, because one must always believe in something. Someone believes in God. someone in the country, someone in the people, someone in the money, and someone only in themselves.
    And each seeks his own truth to the extent of his understanding.
  45. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 18: 16
    +5
    Quote: malaguena
    In short, I got the impression that the author is a classic "watchman" who has only one way to respond to something: "PROHIBIT! DO NOT PUSH !!" I wonder if the author is sitting on a bench near the house, and if he is, does Manka from the 34th apartment call a prostitute because she wears a miniskirt?


    Yes, everything is simpler, Roskomnadzor launched a public relations company to whiten its sins.
    For they have jambs:
    1. Some of the top officials there took bribes and embezzlement in due time
    2. They worked too clumsy to block the cart, and the government does not like it when they don’t succeed
    3. More than 17 million IP addresses per block, many companies have suffered - suits by the way Roskomnadzor will obviously arrive soon
    4. They wanted to make corrections here in order to block resources without trial, but UNTIL they were allowed to, because the people are already yelling at these cormorants

    So do not be surprised at articles of this kind in many sources of information, and comments that support their actions. There will be more and more.
  46. Hottabych
    Hottabych 10 May 2018 18: 54
    0
    Quote: Tired
    And to combat this specific danger (contacts with drug dealers on the network), all the necessary tools already exist.

    What kind? If everything was so simple, how do you argue !!!
    You do not want to understand what I am telling you and repeat the same thing I have no desire ... God bless you, Tired! You and your children!
  47. Clueless
    Clueless 10 May 2018 20: 36
    +6
    Quote: Hottabych
    Quote: Tired
    And to combat this specific danger (contacts with drug dealers on the network), all the necessary tools already exist.

    What kind? If everything was so simple, how do you argue !!!
    You do not want to understand what I am telling you and repeat the same thing I have no desire ... God bless you, Tired! You and your children!


    Man, are you really that short-sighted, or are you just working out the money? :)
    Contacts with drug dealers can also be made via telephone, pigeon mail, personal meetings, etc. Even through regular Skype or e-mail, there is nothing stopping you from encrypting CAM TEXT messages to users from different ends, as was done in paper mail before. Yes, actually even telephone conversations are encrypted, both speakers have an encryptor / decoder and speak on any topic, putting a bolt on the security services.

    Plus, the shadow Internet also allows you to communicate, even China cannot block it, even though it tries constantly.

    You can prove here for a long time that censorship and surveillance are good, but we all know that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And here they’re not even shy about the fact that everything is done to follow ALL of their citizens.

    Just understand - we live in the digital age, and trying to put things in order there using analogue methods is the same as shooting a sparrow from a cannon. You won’t hit the sparrows, but the granny who feeds them will clearly kill you.

    ANY attempt by retired officials to clean up the network (from their point of view) leads to the rejection of the country's youth and their transfer to a destructive channel (in fact, the opposition and the revolutionary masses), because young people, unlike you and the government, want to live in a global world, not an island.

    I’ll even tell you more - all this bacchanalia with the Internet is being done for the sake of one simple and miserable goal - after 4 years the race will start for the new president’s place, and young people remember how they are treated, and ordinary people too (pension increase no one will be happy about anyone) - they are trying to take the Internet in their hands and introduce strict censorship in order to dictate their party policies. For the elections will not be so simple;)
    1. Hottabych
      Hottabych 10 May 2018 23: 52
      +1
      Quote: Bad
      Man, are you really that short-sighted, or are you just working out the money? :)

      I do not work out any money, I calmly try to reassure you on this topic. But you, I’m sorry, are tearing your ass as if you are being salted with a bonus ...
      Quote: Bad
      Contacts with drug dealers can also be made via telephone, pigeon mail, personal meetings, etc.

      Did I write something about contacts between drug dealers? This is your fabulous fiction! But for example, finding retail customers is the very thing. And there are many such examples ...
      Quote: Bad
      Just understand - we live in the digital age, and trying to put things in order there using analogue methods is the same as shooting a sparrow from a cannon. You won’t hit the sparrows, but the granny who feeds them will clearly kill you.

      Do not make yourself an evil genius. We heard a ringing and do not understand where. You are the very victim of the Internet who, after reading an article on zen, scratching the back of his head - I realized that it turns out to have super-mega-insider information !!! And now you can go to some forum to teach the mind local bosom.
      Quote: Bad
      I’ll even tell you more - all this bacchanalia with the Internet is being done for the sake of one simple and miserable goal - after 4 years the race will start for the new president’s place, and young people remember how they are treated, and ordinary people too (pension increase no one will be happy about anyone) - they are trying to take the Internet in their hands and introduce strict censorship in order to dictate their party policies. For the elections will not be so simple;)

      lol An amazing conclusion, as I had not thought about this before. One consolation, one evil genius told me here that nothing will come of them. It's like shooting a sparrow with a gun. laughing
      Guy.... lol
  48. jmndslthr
    jmndslthr 10 May 2018 21: 42
    +2
    I am wildly sorry, but did the scarers notice the Chinese firewall that is behind it? those IT monsters that pedicivia, VK and YouTube on 1, sorry, a tooth? Do we have something similar? Let's get wider - 1 large CAD compass? 89,5 clones of Linux, different skill translation documentation? we don’t have IT in general. igrodelskih offices one hand count enough fingers. We are sorry, the same Wikipedia articles cannot be translated without losing 3/4 of the information and without adding a known ideology. With whom and what are you going to butt?
  49. Mark9103
    Mark9103 10 May 2018 21: 52
    +2
    There should be freedom of speech on the Internet, for some reason nowhere in the world do they block anything and live normally. And we suddenly need censorship, cart blocking, etc. Wake up people, the authorities just need complete control over everything that happens, and the complete blocking of communication between the Russian Federation and the rest of the world, and telegrams is only the beginning.
    1. Andrey Grinberg
      Andrey Grinberg 11 May 2018 00: 41
      +6
      When will the Russians get rid of children's naivety and stop believing in the tale of endless freedom in the west? You’ll live at least half a year in the EU and experience this freedom for yourself, a 700 euro fine for a cartoon downloaded from a torrent comes with a bill from a provider, a statement to the police and a drive for a red star on an avatar, two days in the basement of special services for a post in the facebook letter of recommendation to the employer (watch company) to dismiss the unreliable employee.
      1. Mark9103
        Mark9103 11 May 2018 03: 41
        +5
        Listen, I don’t know how in the EU, I live in Canada and no one will do anything for you on the avatar star. A torrent is an illegal site all over the world, since downloading from it you get for free what you have to pay money under the law (that is, theft). In the EU and North America, they don’t put people on posts at the FB against the president and the government as a whole, they do not block messengers in a row supposedly to “fight terrorism”, and they don’t pay conservative cowboys (analogues of our “Cossacks”) to go out and provoke people who left to a peaceful rally because of disagreement with the authorities (after Trump’s victory, thousands went out in all cities and the police did not disperse or detain people in large numbers, isolated arrests happen at any rally). I'm not talking about complete freedom (maybe it would be anarchy), but about the freedom to express one’s point of view and actions within the constitutional order, however, people in Russia are already starting to deprive people of this.
        1. Uranimus
          Uranimus 11 May 2018 08: 31
          +2
          Quote: Mark9103
          those who went to a peaceful rally because of disagreement with the authorities (after Trump’s victory, thousands came out in all cities and the police did not disperse or detain people en masse, isolated arrests happen at any rally). I AM

          Zadolbali you already with your tramp clowning! Do you not understand that Trump, that Obama are the presidents who came to power (or rather brought them) to power on the same wave. They were "chosen by the people" as the previous authorities did not try to prevent this. The triumph of American democracy and the signal to the whole world (for unrest in countries with a receiving power): "You see what kind of democracy we have, whom the people want, they choose. And the previous government can’t do anything !!!"
          Only all this bullshit, I tell you. What a trump, that Obama is brought by the same people. And the bullshit looks at all this and pisses from the triumph of democracy.
          1. Mark9103
            Mark9103 11 May 2018 17: 49
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            We are not talking about how people come to power, but about the freedom of peaceful expression of their point of view. I don’t like Trump came to power, but I see that thousands of dissenters are protesting peacefully on the main streets of the cities and they are not beaten by Cossacks and the police, because they haven’t lost their power and are not afraid to give their word people regardless of whether it changes something or not.
            1. Uranimus
              Uranimus 12 May 2018 06: 28
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              You do not disperse people? No. Yes worse than ours ... Rubber bullets and water cannons. And also gas.
    2. Hottabych
      Hottabych 11 May 2018 09: 58
      +2
      Quote: Mark9103
      And we suddenly need censorship, cart blocking, etc.

      So you wrote in your next comment that you live in Canada! Or do you also have a cart blocked there ?!
      1. Mark9103
        Mark9103 11 May 2018 17: 45
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        And you can’t answer anything sensible, just build a fool and find fault with words? You understand what I mean what this kindergarten is about? No in Canada do not block the cart or other messengers.
  50. NG inform
    NG inform 10 May 2018 23: 23
    0
    Viva la Telegram, hands off runet. Do not like it - do not use.