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Putin to Zyuganov: the Soviet Union destroyed the CPSU

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During the discussion with the chairman of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov at a meeting related to voting on Dmitry Medvedev’s candidacy for the premiership, President Vladimir Putin declared the CPSU to play the leading role in the collapse of the Soviet Union. This conversation went after Zyuganov listed the achievements of the USSR.


From the statement of Vladimir Putin:
Under the leadership of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, our country, the Soviet Union, has reached very large heights. And Gennady Andreevich listed many of them: this is space, and the nuclear shield, etc. Gennady Andreyevich did not mention only one thing: under the strict guidance of the Communist Party, the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Here, of course, there is nothing to rejoice about, good or bad, however that may be, but historical fact. No one except the Communist Party, whose role was enshrined even in the Constitution of the USSR, was not among those who led this process.


Putin to Zyuganov: the Soviet Union destroyed the CPSU


After that, Putin added that, in the process of the collapse of the USSR, external forces also took part, adding again that it was the leaders of the CPSU who were at the head of the whole process.

It should be recalled that both Gennady Zyuganov and Vladimir Putin were in the CPSU at the time. Now they are actually taking part in the creation of the system, which at the moment is in many ways reminiscent of one-party.

Earlier, Vladimir Putin called the collapse of the Soviet Union the main geopolitical catastrophe of the XX century since the Second World War.

Today, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation refused to support Medvedev and voted with the entire faction against his appointment as head of the country's government. At the meeting, Zyuganov, appealing to the head of state, called on him to abandon the practice of closing down Lenin's mausoleum with “all kinds of veneers”. Communist Party Leader:

Lenin is the same founding father of the current state, as in the USA, for example, are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and others.


Far from all agreed with such a thesis.
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  1. taiga2018
    taiga2018 8 May 2018 18: 16
    +35
    the main thing you do not ruin your disputes Russia ...
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 8 May 2018 18: 20
      +15
      Russia has existed in this format for a thousand years.
      1. Morosha
        Morosha 8 May 2018 18: 31
        +97
        In this case, Zyuganov is absolutely right, although it is time for him to retire.
        And here the whole CPSU, leaderism and incompetence of the general secretaries destroyed the USSR, which continues now.
        And the appointment of Medvedev is a crime, he is absolutely unsuitable.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 8 May 2018 18: 40
          +12
          Quote: Morosha
          And the appointment of Medvedev is a crime, he is absolutely unsuitable.

          We in Russia have one rule, you don’t need to help, just don’t interfere. And we often have help with both that fool and the crystal genital organ ...
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 8 May 2018 21: 31
            +30
            Lenin is the same founding father of the current state, which in the USA, for example, are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and others.

            Hmm ... Compare an ordinary businessman, by chance, ascended to the top of power (this is not an insult, the "businessman" in this case is a kind of professional activity). And Lenin, who from scratch created a party that overturned power not in some kind of France, which you can drive in a tank in a day, but over Russia, and led the impoverished, devastated country to world leaders. A party in front of which all these heirs of Washington and Franklin were trembling.
            But that the CPSU is rotten is not Lenin's fault. Really, it’s time for Zyuganov to receive an honorary pension, if he began to equal the USA.
            1. Pollux
              Pollux 8 May 2018 21: 50
              +19
              Quote: Shurik70
              And Lenin, from scratch

              No need to ascribe to Lenin the merits of Ivan the Terrible. It was thanks to Lenin that Russia lost Poland, Finland, Manchuria, the Baltic states, Transcaucasia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 8 May 2018 22: 53
                +25
                Quote: Pollux
                No need to ascribe to Lenin the merits of Ivan the Terrible. It was thanks to Lenin that Russia lost Poland, Finland Manchuria, the Baltic States, Transcaucasia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan

                Wake up sir, you are raving. Despite all the variety of “dwarf republics” that arose on the revolutionary wave and even managed to print their banknotes, it was the Bolsheviks who played a unifying power role that prevented the collapse of the empire into small territorial fragments, including the elimination of Basmachism. Yes, the Finns were released under the assumption that each nation has the right to self-determination in the event that this nation has a common border with a "foreign state", thereby making it clear that there will be no independent enclaves in the RSFSR, offering them the status of republics and autonomy instead of provinces. As a matter of fact, what VIL did to stop the civil war by proposing a new device in the form of a Federation, today he is accused, saying that if he had not created the "republics", today we would still have the same Empire. Would not have, would have fought to this day.
                1. Pollux
                  Pollux 8 May 2018 23: 07
                  +8
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  it was the Bolsheviks who played a unifying power role

                  However, it was the Bolsheviks who before that played the decoupling power role. Moreover, they collected as a result less than falling apart.
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  As a matter of fact, what VIL did in order to stop the civil war

                  Yes, he also untied her.
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  proposing a new device in the form of Federation

                  The USSR was not a federation, why lie about the obvious?
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Would not have, would have fought to this day.

                  And now we are not fighting? We are fighting to this day.

                  Sir
                  1. naidas
                    naidas 8 May 2018 23: 21
                    +11
                    ..
                    Quote: Pollux
                    However, it was the Bolsheviks who before that played the decoupling power role.

                    Rave, attributing to the Bolsheviks the actions of the Provisional Government:
                    This issue has already been considered in the military review "The collapse of Russia was the result of blackmail" on April 3, 2016 on the occasion of:
                    Exactly 99 years ago, an event occurred that essentially legitimized the process of the collapse of the country: the Provisional Government announced its agreement in principle to grant independence to Poland. Following this, independence was demanded by Finland, Ukraine and other regions.
                    1. Pollux
                      Pollux 8 May 2018 23: 51
                      +3
                      Quote: naidas
                      The interim government announced its agreement in principle to grant independence to Poland. Following this, independence was demanded by Finland, Ukraine and other regions.

                      Having come to power, the Bolsheviks legitimized the "achievements" of the interim government. In addition, not everything fell in love with the provisional government, many territories on the conscience of the Bolsheviks, including the prerequisites for the collapse of the USSR.
                      It was the Bolsheviks who agreed with the collapse of the Russian Empire, agreed with the rejection of Poland, Finland, and especially Manchuria.

                      On December 18 (31), 1917, the state independence of the Republic of Finland was first recognized by the Council of People's Commissars (government) of the Russian Soviet Republic, headed by V. I. Lenin
                      1. naidas
                        naidas 9 May 2018 00: 03
                        +9
                        Quote: Pollux
                        agreed with the rejection of Poland

                        Nothing that the Bolsheviks fought with Poland and lost.
                        Documents on the independence of the territories under the Provisional Government of the sea, and the Bolsheviks had to correct:
                        March 16 (29), 1917, the Provisional Government of Russia recognized the right of Poland to independence.
                        On March 7 (20), 1917, the Provisional Government issued an Act approving the Constitution of the Grand Duchy of Finland, returning to Finland all the rights of the times of autonomy and repealing all restrictions of the period of Russification.
                        On July 2 (15), a telegram arrived from Kiev to Kiev with the text of a government declaration stating that the General Secretariat was recognized as the highest administrative body of Ukraine, and that the government would favorably respond to the development by the Ukrainian Council of a draft national-political statute of Ukraine.
                        On March 9 (22), the Estonian Tallinn Union was organized in Revel [15], which demanded that the Provisional Government join the northern counties of Livonia in the Estland province.
                        On October 8, 1917, Siberian regional workers declared Siberia autonomy and created the first Siberian government led by Potanin.
                      2. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 9 May 2018 12: 10
                        +2
                        What is Manchuria? She was not part of the Russian Empire.
                    2. Hammerlock
                      Hammerlock 9 May 2018 01: 18
                      +1
                      Exactly 99 years ago, an event took place that essentially legitimized the country's disintegration process: the Provisional Government announced its agreement in principle to grant independence to Poland.

                      and you yourself do not rave? 99 years ago Provisional Government? In the year 1919?
                      Provisional Government (March 15 - November 7, 1917) - the highest executive and legislative body of state power in Russia in the period between the February bourgeois-democratic and October socialist revolutions.
                      1. Wild_grey_wolf
                        Wild_grey_wolf 9 May 2018 13: 21
                        +3
                        "April 3, 2016 on the occasion of:
                        Exactly 99 years ago, an event occurred,


                        2016 - 99 how many 1919 will be. You need to read what they write.
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                  2. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 8 May 2018 23: 43
                    +18
                    Quote: Pollux
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    it was the Bolsheviks who played a unifying power role
                    However, it was the Bolsheviks who before that played the decoupling power role. Moreover, they collected as a result less than falling apart.
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    As a matter of fact, what VIL did in order to stop the civil war
                    Yes, he also untied her.

                    Hmm ... recourse How it all starts request
                    1. Pollux
                      Pollux 9 May 2018 00: 01
                      +6
                      Lenin with a log, oh how sweet, it's like Jews with a shovel in a famous joke. A log with a motor?
                      Remember, my young friend, it’s not the interim government that conducted subversive activities in the Russian army and throughout the country, it was done by the same forces that brought Lenin to power. The Provisional Government only held on to power a little while it was taken away by those who overthrew the tsar and brought Lenin to power.
                      1. tomket
                        tomket 9 May 2018 00: 52
                        +8
                        Quote: Pollux
                        Remember, my young friend, not a provisional government, conducted subversive activities in the Russian army and throughout the country.

                        Boy, what would you know. Recognition of Finland, Poland and others is just a statement of fact and recognition of the obvious. Ukraine, too, now does not recognize Crimea as ours, only who are interested in its opinion? So with the Bolsheviks at that time.
                    2. passerby
                      passerby 9 May 2018 05: 35
                      +6
                      Well, yes, and so Lenin was certainly for the tsar. And then the king and his whole family were also killed by the "liberals", on the orders of the "liberalist"
                      1. the lord
                        the lord 12 May 2018 22: 53
                        +1
                        It would be better if you really passed by, and did not write your stupidity in public. Lenin and the Bolsheviks were not for the tsar, but even so shamefully did not ruin the country as the temporary workers did. But then they collected and stored all these bundles of firewood. And they corrected well, given the resources of the opposite side
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 9 May 2018 01: 30
                  +5
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Would not have, would have fought to this day.

                  What are your "woulds" worth? Less than zero.
                  The war in Donbass goes without any "and this is the result of YOUR cutting off the huge Russian territories from Russia in favor of the so-called" Ukraine "that you created.
                  It was a crime against Russia.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 9 May 2018 18: 26
                    +3
                    Why small letters? laughing Why are you so modestly demonstrating your smug stupidity? Of course, I understand that it is not horse feed, but once again I will advise you to carefully re-read world history of the 20th century. And try to understand the processes that took place then in society. Maybe then you will have an understanding that Lenin essentially saved the country.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 9 May 2018 18: 34
                      0
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Maybe then you will have an understanding that Lenin essentially saved the country.

                      Intourist ruined the country: see the disaster in '91: it started in the 17th, the so-called “reader” lol world history
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 9 May 2018 18: 39
                        +5
                        As an argument, I have the story of several empires that disappeared in the 20th century, and what about you? Is there anything to object to, or do you think your opinion based on nothing is enough and the gentleman needs to take a word? laughing
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 10 May 2018 11: 02
                      0
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      As an argument, I have the story of several empires that disappeared in the 20th century, and Thuabout you? There is something to argue or do you think your neither on what an unfounded opinion already enough and the gentleman needs to take a word?

                      What is the opinion, dear man ?!
                      THE CATASTROPHE 91 years is a REALITY and it was precisely the Communist Party of the Soviet Socialist Republic that led UNIQUE to govern. They donbass "distributed to the Ukrainians.
                      These are the FACTS.
                      What's not clear?
                      1. the lord
                        the lord 12 May 2018 22: 57
                        +3
                        And since when did the internal borders of the USSR become so sacredly taken for state? Is it not from the filing of darlings of advisers to the CIA, who among the demshiza and eltsinoids was a dime a dozen. He handed out everything to everyone: “how much will fit”, or there wasn’t one.
                        Your connections of the 91st year since 1917 are so far-fetched that I won’t be surprised that you believe in ukroshumerov and digging of the seas, from the same song line))))))
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 9 May 2018 17: 03
                0
                Quote: Pollux
                Quote: Shurik70
                And Lenin, from scratch

                No need to ascribe to Lenin the merits of Ivan the Terrible. It was thanks to Lenin that Russia lost Poland, Finland, Manchuria, the Baltic states, Transcaucasia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan

                Tuva.
                1. the lord
                  the lord 12 May 2018 23: 02
                  +1
                  Together with Shoigu. When a person with a low level of mental development, this can be seen immediately and specifically.
                  But do not tell me which of these territories did not enter the USSR in 1922? The correct answer: only those that were actually recognized as independent by the interim government. What allowed them to conduct an independent policy during the civil war. And it was it - Poland, Finland and the Baltic states, but the latter did not last long
              3. gurzuf
                gurzuf 9 May 2018 17: 26
                +1
                You completely forgot one more sin of Vladimir Ilyich - the Russian national football team will never be the world champion !!! Never!!!
              4. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 9 May 2018 18: 20
                +1
                And you have lost the remnants of an already meager mind. laughing
            2. passerby
              passerby 9 May 2018 05: 33
              +4
              Lenin was a man who pushed his homeland into the abyss of the Civil War in which tens of millions of his fellow citizens died for ephemeral purposes. Was it worth it?
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 9 May 2018 05: 58
                +2
                Quote: bystander
                Was it worth it?

                Of course not, the Tsar agreed on everything! But they needed a massacre in Russia.
              2. Yu-81
                Yu-81 9 May 2018 08: 15
                +7
                No, the general war and admirals of the collapsed Russian empire unleashed a civil war with the Bolsheviks who had actually taken power, relying on the support of foreign states. If there were no white movement paid by the West, there would be no civil war. And this is a fact, because there was no white movement, there was no civil war.
                And the most heinous thing in the white movement is that at first these bastards calmly watched as the king was squeezed out, and then when they realized that the kayuk was all their power, they decided to try to win back by destroying their people with the further purpose of oppressing this people. Abomination, in a word.
                1. Sergey ippon
                  Sergey ippon 9 May 2018 11: 27
                  +2
                  rightly noticed, but how they stopped financing from behind the hillock, immediately the whole white movement was blown away.
                2. passerby
                  passerby 9 May 2018 14: 23
                  +1
                  And how did they "actually have taken power"?
                  1. Yu-81
                    Yu-81 9 May 2018 17: 22
                    +2
                    The most bloodless. After the discharge of Kerensky and Co., there were no armed seizures of power (despite the fact that the films also showed the storming of the winter palace). The Bolsheviks trite declared that the power passes to them and no one opposed anything against this. And only a few months later, Russia flared up thanks to their highlands ..
                    1. passerby
                      passerby 10 May 2018 04: 10
                      0
                      That is, if I now declare that the power over the world passes into my hands, will I seize power over the world?
                      1. Yu-81
                        Yu-81 10 May 2018 08: 23
                        +2
                        Why bullshit? At that time, the Bolsheviks represented a serious and numerous political force, which also declared that it took control under the current anarchy and political anarchy created by the temporary workers in its own hands.
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 23 May 2018 14: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: bystander
                        That is, if I declare now

                        Sir, you have already stated so much here that there is a strong conviction that you do not know anything and do not understand the issue under consideration.
                        The “Entente Plan” was adopted at a meeting in Paris 23 of December 1917 of the year and promulgated by US President Woodrow Wilson on the eve of 1918. The plan provided for the division of Russia into spheres of influence and was called the “Convention Terms”.
                        At the end of December 1917, representatives of France and Great Britain Georges Clemenceau and Robert Cecile signed a secret convention on dividing the south of Russia into areas of interest and areas of future operations of the British and French troops.

                        The English "sphere of action" included the Caucasus, the Cossack regions of the Don and Kuban, Central Asia, and the French - Ukraine, Bessarabia and the Crimea.
                        London and Paris agreed that from now on they would see Russia not as an ally on the Entente, but as a territory for the realization of their interventionist plans.
                        Wilsons you see these woods closer to you?
                        https://aftershock.news/?q=node/462408&full
              3. naidas
                naidas 9 May 2018 17: 34
                +3
                Quote: bystander
                Lenin was a man who pushed his homeland into the abyss of the Civil War

                Soviet Russia actually emerged from the war by a peace decree.
                On December 23, 1917, at the Anglo-French talks in Paris, a decision was made to delimit zones of interest in the territories of the former Russian Empire and establish contacts with national democratic governments.
                In total, 14 states took part in the intervention.
                In August 1918, Americans, British and French occupied Arkhangelsk. On August 15, 1918, American troops landed in Vladivostok.
                So you, of course, if outsiders move into your apartment, then you will of course leave to live on the street, but Lenin did not allow it.
                1. passerby
                  passerby 10 May 2018 04: 12
                  0
                  Therefore, with his filing during the "Red Terror" killed a bunch of compatriots? Was it such a cunning plan that he was not evicted from the apartment?
                  1. naidas
                    naidas 10 May 2018 06: 33
                    +3
                    I wonder when you are beaten, what will you do in response.
                    Read Lenin: Red Terror Lenin's answer to White Terror (
                    Lenin really did not like when the Krasnoyarsk began to cook living Red Guards).
                    1. Yu-81
                      Yu-81 10 May 2018 08: 49
                      0
                      Absolutely right! The Bolsheviks did not start fighting from scratch, and therefore Russia tore to pieces the scum of all parts and nationalities
                      1. passerby
                        passerby 10 May 2018 16: 08
                        0
                        And that is precisely why the Bolsheviks divided all citizens into those whose “right origin” and those whose “origin is not correct” and scoffed at all those whose origin, according to the Bolsheviks, turned out to be “not right”.
                    2. passerby
                      passerby 10 May 2018 16: 06
                      0
                      They started to beat you for trying to illegally seize power, or do you think that the criminal who shoots back from the police chasing him should be rewarded for trying to defend himself? And something I did not hear that whites shot someone because of his "wrong origin."
                      1. naidas
                        naidas 10 May 2018 18: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: bystander
                        And that is why the Bolsheviks divided all citizens

                        Well, Igor, you have been educated since the 90s: assumptions and fabrications like Suvorov’s aquarium.
                        Find the definition of the correct origin (nobles) in the Russian Empire and in the USSR and you may understand that the obscure you wrote.
                        Quote: bystander
                        They started to beat for trying to illegally seize power

                        You are not familiar that from 02-10 1917 there was a dual power -
                        Judging by what you write, you know more than Prince Lvov, head of the Provisional Government: The Provisional Government was accused not only of seizing power, but also of the illegality of its very existence (Lvov G. Memoirs. M.: Russian Way).
                        according to Prince Lvov, the Provisional Government was “power without power”, while the Council of Workers' Deputies was power without power (did not take power).
                        If you know in April they laughed at Lenin about what there was such a party, but in November it happened, in short, of course, knowledge is a burden, but it explains a lot.
                      2. naidas
                        naidas 10 May 2018 18: 45
                        +2
                        And something I did not hear that whites shot someone because of his “wrong origin.” [/ Quote]
                        Well, that’s understandable, the name Lazo doesn’t tell you anything: Sergey Georgievich Lazo (February 23 [March 7] 1894 [1], the village of Pyatra, Bessarabia province - May 1920, Muravyov-Amursky station, near the city of Iman) - a Russian nobleman , second lieutenant of the Russian imperial army. (White burned alive in a locomotive firebox).
                        43% (75 thousand people) of Russian officers immediately sided with the Bolsheviks, and 57% supported the white movement. But already in 1918, from among the officers who supported the white movement, 14 thousand went over to the Reds. That is, more than half of the Russian officers supported the Soviet regime.
              4. the lord
                the lord 12 May 2018 23: 06
                +1
                White bandits from a volunteer army pushed into the abyss of a civilian country. And they resisted the inevitable, with the support of the whole world, but to no avail (just like dill) for four years. It is because of them that the loss of population in the millions. And then these villains participated in fascist campaigns and military campaigns, multiplying the losses of our troops beyond measure. And what kind of 4 pediatric tarantasses did you like? Surely, dill. There is such darkness right now
              5. badens1111
                badens1111 23 May 2018 13: 58
                0
                Quote: bystander
                Lenin was a man who pushed his homeland into the abyss of the Civil War

                Sir, please go to school, your knowledge of this issue from the category of parallel reality, in which periodically the author-fantastist R. Zlotnikov, dreaming of a monarchy.
            3. kotvov
              kotvov 9 May 2018 12: 06
              0
              it’s time for Zyuganov to receive an honorable retirement, if he started to equal the USA. First, did Putin serve in the organization that was supposed to defend the constitutional system? And then, and Putin, with his team of looters, is not going to distant countries? An iPhone is equipped in Italy, but where is the guarantor?
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 8 May 2018 23: 22
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            help is not necessary, just do not bother. And we often have help with both that fool and the crystal genital organ ...

            So, it’s not for nothing that we have the expression “bear service”. laughing
          3. Skif83
            Skif83 9 May 2018 06: 45
            +1
            Well, some if they do not bother, heaped this and already heaped up, that at the time of these crystal on the wort ...
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 8 May 2018 18: 43
          +6
          And is he the only one? And he pronounces the right words, moreover, not only Zyuganov. I’ve just looked for manna from heaven on the horizon, so much is promised, my head is spinning from perspectives.
        3. Observer2014
          Observer2014 8 May 2018 18: 46
          +11
          Morosha Maksim
          And the appointment of Medvedev is a crime, he is absolutely unsuitable.
          What are you clinging to Medvedev? Mr. Medvedev all the stars came together to be successful. Excellent, he studied in one kind of institution where Putin is. Acquaintances are needed. He didn’t hang out until the right time. He didn’t figure before the publication in political scandals of the 90s. And the appearance is just like on order. Especially growth. In general, everything is in it to supplement and replace Putin at the right time. True, following the logic of what kind of replacement Medvedev will look like belay recourse
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 8 May 2018 19: 10
            +6
            Quote: Observer2014
            True, following the logic of what kind of replacement Medvedev will look like

            Pygmies from Tumba Yumba Island
            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 9 May 2018 17: 56
              +1
              If only a crest.
            2. maxbrov74
              maxbrov74 9 May 2018 22: 03
              0
              Well, to your pygmies to him as to the nearest star.
          2. assa67
            assa67 9 May 2018 00: 54
            +5
            Sergey, good night hi ... the "teddy bear" is an average figure, (so far) obedient, executive .... but ambitions are raging .. and with the support of the liberal bloc (Nabiulin, Saluyan, etc. ... support from outside) it is quite capable of running into a guarantor. ..one eyes are worth bursting citizen laughing
            1. Sergey ippon
              Sergey ippon 9 May 2018 11: 29
              +2
              Putin-Medvedev is one and the same!
              can your left hand run into your right?
              in one organism wassat
          3. Skif83
            Skif83 9 May 2018 06: 47
            +4
            DAM is a lightning rod of GDP! And no other way!
            If it weren’t, it would be worth coming up!
            Think about it, all the failures of the twitter government are associated only with DAM, and the GDP seems to have nothing to do with it, although we all understand who is ...
        4. gladcu2
          gladcu2 8 May 2018 19: 03
          +6
          GDP said true.

          CPSU, the USSR collapsed. Guidance based on ideology cannot exist without serious external threats that constantly fuel this ideology. Therefore, having lost the “core”, the party from top to bottom has become transformed into a bourgeois party.
          And that is why GDP is against ideology. Ideology cannot be at the heart of the state. The state will be shaky.

          Although, socialism and communism is absolutely not a utopia. These are real economies. With examples of which, each of us daily encounter. But not everyone can realize this, since he does not even pay attention.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 8 May 2018 19: 11
            +25
            Quote: gladcu2
            GDP said true.

            But what did his native KGB do? Did you drink vodka? After all, if the EBN made a coup, then the KGB did nothing to stop it. Why is the SBU worse?
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 8 May 2018 19: 57
              +10
              Quote: Silvestr
              But what did his native KGB do? Did you drink vodka? After all, if the EBN made a coup, then the KGB did nothing to stop it. Why is the SBU worse?

              I will tell you what the KGB representatives in the troops did. They warned that no one should react to political changes in order to avoid trouble. For some reasons close to the authorities, it was the KGB that was the source and patron of the changes that brought its representatives to power ... You can look through and find out where the HMS appeared in the Central Committee ...
            2. vik669
              vik669 8 May 2018 21: 11
              +8
              Putin - Zyuganov: the Soviet Union collapsed the CPSU - and then Putin in which party was like the same as Zyuganov so ... ...! And it turns out: take me to the Communist Party - but you were not mistaken, maybe in the Communist Party - but no, I was already with the SS!
            3. Oleg14774
              Oleg14774 8 May 2018 21: 55
              +9
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: gladcu2
              GDP said true.

              But what did his native KGB do? Did you drink vodka? After all, if the EBN made a coup, then the KGB did nothing to stop it. Why is the SBU worse?

              The KGB was obliged to protect the state from the tyrant of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but did it decide to receive dividends? Kryuchkov, chairman of the KGB, to say that everything is profound to be not objective. He knew everything and saw everything. The KGB had an excellent analytical department. They just hoped they would also profit from the noise, grab a piece for themselves and their kids with granddaughters. So it’s not the CPSU's fault, but the KGB. The current FSB. This does not apply to linear and ordinary employees, they honestly earned and earn their bread. This refers to the top.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 9 May 2018 08: 22
                +2
                Quote: Oleg147741
                This refers to the top.

                I’ll tell you more that the modern elite is even more greedy, unprincipled, more corrupt than in the KGB
                1. Oleg14774
                  Oleg14774 9 May 2018 09: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Quote: Oleg147741
                  This refers to the top.

                  I’ll tell you more that the modern elite is even more greedy, unprincipled, more corrupt than in the KGB

                  I will not argue with you! :)
            4. maxbrov74
              maxbrov74 9 May 2018 22: 08
              +1
              SBU Ukrainian analogue of the Gestapo. You have everything as you should, your attack aircraft, your SS men. And the Führer, too, whatever. The truth is thumping ...
          2. yehat
            yehat 8 May 2018 19: 19
            +17
            ideology is an important pillar of state stability.
            moreover, it is important to have two ideologies - a simple one, so that it can be understood by everyone from the stupidly Foolish shkolota to the drunk in the gateway and the other - for the educated elite that rules the state.
            The USSR collapsed because Khrushchev sent people to the government who did not understand anything about the ideology and goals of this state. Gorbachev and Yeltsin are the clearest examples. The elite with a perception of cattle.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 9 May 2018 03: 43
              +2
              If you recall the elite, then this is the first step towards bourgeois ideology.

              Under the late, socialism, when complete and unconditional control over profit, the concept of the elite should be absent. Only recognition of professionalism or scholarship may be present.

              The elite is a characteristic of bourgeois statuality.
              1. yehat
                yehat 9 May 2018 14: 30
                +1
                the bourgeoisie and the elite are two different things.
                In the USSR, I grew up as an elite and I know what that means.
                for me it meant some privileges and privileges, but also responsibility,
                because the elite was chosen according to deeds and deeds done, and nothing else.
          3. lis-ik
            lis-ik 8 May 2018 19: 36
            +17
            Quote: gladcu2
            GDP said true.

            CPSU, the USSR collapsed. Guidance based on ideology cannot exist without serious external threats that constantly fuel this ideology. Therefore, having lost the “core”, the party from top to bottom has become transformed into a bourgeois party.
            And that is why GDP is against ideology. Ideology cannot be at the heart of the state. The state will be shaky.

            Although, socialism and communism is absolutely not a utopia. These are real economies. With examples of which, each of us daily encounter. But not everyone can realize this, since he does not even pay attention.

            And the remnants of what the USSR was successfully plundered and ruined by figures from the EP and Putin's entourage.
          4. Essex62
            Essex62 8 May 2018 19: 55
            +11
            The Soviet Union destroyed the Cossack sent by the CIA, gradually removing and removing from key posts, ideologically persistent and not going to a bourgeois compromise, leaders at key posts throughout the vast country. I was looking for socialism with a human face, pluralism of opinions. (What kind of pluralism can be, under the dictatorship of the proletariat and the main postulate of the ideology of communism, you cannot individually be rich, as a whole society, however much you want?) And how could Putin not know about this. He plowed at the very frontier, right in the den of NATO. And since the Office made a coup, to prevent which it was created, quite legitimate thoughts arise about the coordination of its representatives, with the most naty, as if to kill the Union. So that later villas, yachts, islands, kids in Cambridge and serving all these life's sweets, this is the very prolitariat, which has never once been a hegemon but which you can put up with, as you brush it up on your soul. to the threshold of life. Oh disingenuous Vladimir Vladimirovich ....
          5. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 8 May 2018 20: 52
            +15
            Quote: gladcu2
            CPSU, the USSR collapsed.

            The Soviet Union did not collapse the Communist Party and a bunch of senile, who grabbed Western "friends" for the scrotum. Putin himself was a member of the CPSU also turns out to be a participant in the collapse))
          6. TAMBU
            TAMBU 8 May 2018 23: 18
            +4
            What?
            "An ideology-based leadership cannot exist without serious external threats that constantly fuel this ideology."

            Like the Cold War ended in the 85th? This WITHOUT ideology cannot be the development of the state. The notorious "American Dream" is a form of capital ideology for the masses. Any rogue in the USA thinks that he is about to become a millionaire and does not become him only by coincidence of some ridiculous circumstances. Only owners of big capital, the ruling elite, do not think so. The picture is complemented by small entrepreneurs who think that they caught the American dream by the tail. So they think until big capital eats them. Marx writes about the ideology of capitalism very accurately ... so
            Ideology cannot be at the heart of the state
            this is not a true statement at the root ... the USSR fell apart, for other reasons. During the Great Patriotic War, most of the Communists died, who understood what they were building and how to do it. These were people who were convinced of their highest goal, who understood the model of development of society and had a very good level of knowledge of the structure of relationship systems with different systems. So, having suffered huge losses, the Bolsheviks in the party recruited very good fighters, brave and courageous guys and girls right at the front. These were wonderful people who were not so powerfully knowledgeable, and compared to the “true communists” they only had an idea of ​​what kind of bright future they were going to and how it was done. I am exaggerating, but roughly speaking, during the war, the Communists “crushed” and stopped educating people of the “new format”. As a result, the country changed course not towards achieving communism, but towards achieving capitalism. These changes are clearly manifested in the economy. As soon as the reforms of the 65th were launched and the money again received the function of a commodity, since then, in fact, the development of the country went from socialism to capitalism ...
            1. TAMBU
              TAMBU 8 May 2018 23: 35
              0
              reform of the 61st ... of course
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 9 May 2018 03: 52
              +2
              You can complain about the deceased right-wing Communists and careerists of the party who have passed the career ladder over corpses.

              There remains the final version of the party, which essentially, and not by designation, becomes bourgeois.

              Therefore, the late CPSU is bourgeois.

              By the way, a shorter working week will reduce unemployment and increase the purchasing power of the population. And the free time can be used for entrepreneurship, self-education, a hobby.
              It’s hard for me to judge, but it seems that is what is implied in the statements of I.V. Stalin.
              1. TAMBU
                TAMBU 9 May 2018 23: 22
                0
                Well, in general, I agree ... but ideology is the goal of the development of society. Without it, this is work to secure third parties ... In other words, the colonies have no ideology. As long as the colony does not have a national liberation movement, it does not have organs to develop and declare any ideology ...
          7. Skif83
            Skif83 9 May 2018 07: 08
            +1
            Ideology, as a synonym for a national idea, is an essential condition for the development of a country.
            But there is an ideology of the state, and there is an ideology of the ruling elite, which are far from synonyms.
            Another thing is that not ideological talkers should be at the helm, but managers with serious experience, brought up on the national idea.
            But after the collapse of the USSR, a vacuum arose in the ideology of the state, which quickly filled the ideology of those who came from the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Central Committee of the Komsomol. She, this ideology of "rowing for myself" still dominates.
            With this ideology, people can’t raise Putin’s spurt! THIS IS ALL TALES!
            Ancestors in the 18th century twice raised the country after devastating wars for much shorter periods, and these are at the helm of XNUMX years, some even longer, and so ...?
            Someone is seriously afraid of us in the world, is our word equal to the word of the USSR? Trump or Macron tremble before Putin, like Churchill before Stalin? Do the people in Russia believe in some kind of "mythical" (yet!) Bright future? Do people believe in justice?
            As for Putin’s position on the USSR, its collapse and its top - the Central Committee of the CPSU, in order to blame or blame someone, I must say, I was a communist, I was against the collapse of the USSR and did this and that ... Has anyone heard such words? We talk about Stalin after many decades, but our children no longer know Gorbachev, they no longer remember Yeltsin, years will pass and they will not remember the current ones, because their affairs for the people and for the greatness of the state still ridiculous compared to the Stalin era.
            Who wants to argue, answer one question when the state was more fair to the people?
        5. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 May 2018 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: Morosha
          And here the whole CPSU, leaderism and incompetence of the general secretaries destroyed the USSR

          And what did the rest do?
        6. Bok tubres
          Bok tubres 8 May 2018 19: 24
          +20
          Medvedev,just - absolutely professionalin terms of his True Employer - USA.
          He's doing greatruining Russia from the inside!
          1. Sergey ippon
            Sergey ippon 9 May 2018 11: 33
            0
            yes my goodness))
            the body is one-medveput.
        7. Genry
          Genry 8 May 2018 19: 28
          +4
          Quote: Morosha
          And the appointment of Medvedev is a crime, he is absolutely unsuitable.

          The appointment of any sensible manager to replace Medvedev will not change anything.
          Under the current state machine, which is fundamentally defined by the Russian Constitution, the human factor plays a secondary role.
          1. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 8 May 2018 21: 06
            +5
            It is amazing how much everything was prepared in advance. Immediately the entry into the presidency, the keynote address, again the May messages, immediately the candidacy for the prime minister, he immediately had candidates for deputy posts. Everything is according to a predetermined plan. People say they were born in May, they will toil all their lives.
        8. venik
          venik 8 May 2018 19: 55
          +9
          Quote: Morosha
          And here the whole CPSU, leaderism and incompetence of the general secretaries destroyed the USSR, which continues now

          ==========
          Alas! Wrong, you my friend !!! The decisive role was played not by the "insanity general secretaries", but HIS Majesty - the "apparatus" !! Yes Yes! THAT THE MOST "pack" of officials of various ranks, which "de facto" managing the economy, "de jure" did not have legislatively fixed PROPERTY RIGHTS !!!
          This is “one time” and the second - each of the “kings” (at the local level) - dreamed of becoming "autocrat"!!! According to the principle -" it is better to be the First Guy in the village (albeit "battered"!) Than "the last in the city (albeit a big one) !!!
        9. zugunder12
          zugunder12 8 May 2018 20: 03
          +6
          I will contribute to your discussion about the reasons for the collapse of the USSR - the CPSU simply created economic laws under which self-improvement of a person in his profession became meaningless. For example, my father was an excellent surgeon. Once in the 80s, we watched a report on a unique heart operation conducted in the USA. To my father’s question: “Why don’t they do this to us?” my father answered me roughly: Son, I could borrow money, go into big debts and go to learn to be a cardiac surgeon. But !! If I had a unique heart operation or just removed the appendix, I would have received almost the same salary. " Dad was completely right.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 8 May 2018 20: 47
            +11
            I don’t want to say anything bad about your father ... But! When the DOCTOR begins to focus on the loot, and not the benefit for the patient ... Perhaps he just gave a wrong example.
            Quote: Zugunder12
            I will contribute to your discussion about the reasons for the collapse of the USSR - the CPSU simply created economic laws under which self-improvement of a person in his profession became meaningless. For example, my father was an excellent surgeon. Once in the 80s, we watched a report on a unique heart operation conducted in the USA. To my father’s question: “Why don’t they do this to us?” my father answered me roughly: Son, I could borrow money, go into big debts and go to learn to be a cardiac surgeon. But !! If I had a unique heart operation or just removed the appendix, I would have received almost the same salary. " Dad was completely right.
            1. passerby
              passerby 9 May 2018 05: 16
              +2
              And why does a person work at all? Why, instead of resting, fishing, hunting and all the other pleasures of life, does a person go to work? Everything is very simple - all these joys of life cost a certain amount of dough, which is why people go to work instead of resting. Do you think that doctors are not people? Or do they get all these joys of life for free? Why do you think that they should not go to work for the money? And for what then should they work in your opinion?
              1. venik
                venik 9 May 2018 16: 25
                +1
                Quote: bystander
                And why does a person work at all? Why, instead of resting, fishing, hunting and all the other pleasures of life, does a person go to work? Everything is very simple - all these joys of life cost a certain amount of dough, which is why people go to work instead of resting.

                =========
                On the one hand, you are RIGHT, 100% right ....
                But WITH ANOTHER ...... You probably DID NOT WORK, in those days when you worked NOT FOR MONEY!!!!
                When PEOPLE worked (risking life and health, by the way !!!) for 12-16 hours a day! Why? Yes, simply because IT was NECESSARY COUNTRY !!!!
                And absolutely "idiotic" thoughts about "rest, fishing, hunting (?) And" bablosy "did not even come to the HEAD !!!!!
                You probably did not find THIS .... And I - Caught UP !!!!! AND for days I had to "hang around" at work (without bonuses, by the way ....), and WITHOUT "extracurricular" !!!!! And I was there - NOT ONE such was! ALL "plowed" like damned "!!
                And you, dear, here about "loot".....
                In short: "Who about what, but" lousy "- about the BATH !!"
              2. the lord
                the lord 12 May 2018 23: 38
                0
                Work, of course, will always remain a way of satisfying the needs of society for various services and material benefits, but this does not mean at all that it will always be a way to feed on its results. And today there are people who carry out their work because they decide a much higher function than to feed themselves. Let us recall at least the dead doctor Lisa. This desire in the USSR is at the very least, but cultivated. There were a lot of such people. There was even a problem - many inventions of various inventors, self-taught, simply could not be realized due to the difficulty of patenting their inventions. And there were a great many of these inventors. And they did it rather for the sake of benefit and a little for the sake of their fame, inscribing themselves in history or something ... The World of the Strugatsky Noon
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 9 May 2018 08: 59
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              .But! When the DOCTOR begins to put loot at the forefront, and not benefit the patient ..

              you are right and wrong! I answer as a doctor. Your opponent is also right. Now the reality for the doctor’s self-realization is worse, because of the opportunity to earn NOBODY, young people do not teach. To get a category, and the possibility of obtaining a higher salary, the doctor must go to conferences in Moscow or St. Petersburg (or somewhere else) for his own money for points that can be obtained in this way, and without them you can’t see the category. Do you know that a conference ticket costs 2-3 thousand? And they need to visit about 4 in 50 years. Who compensates the doctor for these costs? Right patient. And who created the paid training for a doctor is right, power.
              And how many decent books on medicine cost? About 1-15 thousand (decent). And where are the big libraries now? They are not here. So you need to buy books and not one! I have my own library, I collected all my life, about 300 books.
              So money is money. And then.
              Remembering the oath of Hippocrates, for some reason everyone forgets that he lived on offerings from the sick.
              I do not condone. I'm just explaining. It is wild for me, the Soviet, to look at all this, but such is the system.
              Of course, there are many extortionists in white coats.
              But, repeating, I do not whitewash, the federal doctor received 10-12 thousand each. Do you expect enthusiasm from him at the operating table?
              The state departed from the regulation of salaries for doctors, the market came and the salary is formed on the basis of the residual principle or by proximity to the body of the head. Head doctors receive 500 thousand or more, but this does not mean that ordinary doctors receive such money.
          2. APIS
            APIS 8 May 2018 21: 13
            +5
            Quote: Zugunder12
            I will contribute to your discussion about the reasons for the collapse of the USSR - the CPSU simply created economic laws under which self-improvement of a person in his profession became meaningless. For example, my father was an excellent surgeon. Once in the 80s, we watched a report on a unique heart operation conducted in the USA. To my father’s question: “Why don’t they do this to us?” my father answered me roughly: Son, I could borrow money, go into big debts and go to learn to be a cardiac surgeon. But !! If I had a unique heart operation or just removed the appendix, I would have received almost the same salary. " Dad was completely right.

            Your dad was not an excellent surgeon, but was an ordinary greedy artisan, konoval.
            In the USSR there were, and now there are many eminent cardiac surgeons, many excellent clinics known and unknown. They did not put loot in priority.
            1. passerby
              passerby 9 May 2018 05: 20
              0
              Rather, you are an ordinary artisan who believes that someone for his sake should spend his time and energy for free. Nobody owes you anything. If you want other people to do something for you (cured for example), you should interest these people in this, and you can only interest them in money. No one should and is not obliged to spend his time and energy on treating you just like that.
              1. the lord
                the lord 12 May 2018 23: 40
                0
                Don’t bring you to be in an unpleasant situation of a seriously ill patient. Then you will sing completely different songs.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 9 May 2018 09: 02
              +1
              Quote: APIS
              They did not put loot in priority.

              and here you are wrong! I was familiar with Soviet academics,
              Quote: APIS
              In the USSR there were, and now there are many eminent heart surgeons, many excellent clinics known and unknown

              call them don't be unfounded
          3. gladcu2
            gladcu2 9 May 2018 04: 04
            0
            Under socialism there is a leveling system.
            This is approximately 3 minimum salaries for specialists of the highest category.

            In the USA, the highest specialist can and does get a lot, but cannot take full advantage of his position. Time to work, training, also takes a lot. And time is also money. No one can get the most acceptable balance. Based on the foregoing, a high salary becomes meaningless. Therefore, we recall the triple salary priority. And state benefits, equivalent for all categories of workers and employees.

            There is absolutely no meaning in life. This statement is true and indisputable.

            But there are people who devote their lives to some reason, purpose. And for this you need a balance of free time and work. Socialism is more suitable than this senile false capitalism.
          4. Sergey ippon
            Sergey ippon 9 May 2018 11: 34
            0
            with such views he needed to be not a doctor, but on a commerce.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 9 May 2018 12: 57
              0
              Quote: Sergey Ippon
              with such views he needed to be not a doctor, but on a commerce.

              so now medicine is commerce. It all came together
              1. the lord
                the lord 12 May 2018 23: 42
                0
                Not all fortunately. So it has not yet come together. Grow to certain health conditions, agree with me.
        10. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 May 2018 20: 22
          +2
          "He's totally unsuitable." So find that very professional one - you won’t find anyone - at least put someone there, the results will be the same.
        11. albert
          albert 8 May 2018 20: 51
          +3
          Quote: Morosha
          In this case, Zyuganov is absolutely right.

          Putin forgot to mention that he himself was a member of the CPSU lol
        12. passerby
          passerby 9 May 2018 05: 09
          0
          And that the general secretaries were not members of the CPSU?
          1. the lord
            the lord 12 May 2018 23: 43
            0
            Well, recently caught Ishilov’s and Russian passports have Russian ones, but are they really Russian citizens?
        13. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 9 May 2018 06: 34
          +1
          Quote: Morosha
          And here the whole CPSU leaderism and incompetence of the general secretaries destroyed the USSR, ..
          Yes, indeed, and here the Communists, who worked in factories, factories, carried out the plan, gave products. The continuation of the topic that the CPSU collapsed ---- there must be specific names and what exactly this or that character did. For example, they issued such a decree, redistributed products .... (what happened there at different levels). Most of these characters are alive. Well, then ---- the share of guilt of each can be determined.
        14. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 9 May 2018 08: 07
          +2
          Quote: Morosha
          And here the whole CPSU, leaderism and incompetence of the general secretaries destroyed the USSR, which continues now.

          I am begging you ! You have nothing to do with the CPSU! But only the "leaders and general secretaries" are to blame! General secretaries of what? And leaders? In what environment did the guilty "leaders and general secretaries" create vile things? The vicious practice in the CPSU of forming a cadre structure according to the "degree" of personal devotion, understatement, hypocrisy instead of competence in practical matters and politics has led the CPSU from the "creative force" (which it should be ...) has grown into a "cancerous tumor" that began to "corrode" socialist ideology and, in the end, "corroded"!
          1. the lord
            the lord 12 May 2018 23: 52
            0
            She did not eat her up, just greetings came from the past - the load on the country and the lack of specialists in an earlier period was reflected in the fact that people began to miss attacks ideologically against our country. The lag of the USSR from the West was assessed by the enemies as a "birthmark of the system", but in fact was the result of high costs of reconstruction after WWII and compensation of costs from all kinds of embargoes and other sabotage during the Cold War. There was not enough time to create new personnel. which in modern realities could predict new threats. The world began to erode in the meanings of the class struggle and its postulates. But to comprehend this fully lacked people. While still a schoolboy and student, he saw the depravity of the demshiza’s views and even personally told them the answers to himself and sometimes openly infuriated the stupid mooing of memorized phrases in response to them. This is not from competence. and from workload on their own line and from this unwillingness to answer, proceeding not from sources, but from the situation.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 13 May 2018 01: 30
              +2
              Quote: znavel
              She did not eat her

              Quote: znavel
              This is not from competence. and from workload on their own line and from this unwillingness to answer, proceeding not from sources, but from the situation.

              Even 2 countries were “in ruins” after the war: Germany and Japan. When did these countries recover and even surpass themselves as “pre-war” ones? Yes, the US helped them, but is it worth it to “blame” everything on America? I once believed that everyday difficulties in the USSR were due to the fact that the country had to rebuild vast territories from scratch ... until I read an “interesting” note in the newspaper .... Somewhere in 70 When clearing a place for new construction, they found basement warehouses filled with goods ... for example, clothes. I don’t remember the newspaper comments on this incident in detail, but I remember what conclusions I made then: in the country already in 50 produced enough clothing and many other goods to provide the population ... n about these goods nafik were not needed by this population! And then, the clothes were enough, but she was not fashionable and of poor quality! That is why from that time until the collapse of the Union, the people "ran" for "overseas" goods, while the country's resources were spent in vain! There were people who saw and understood the danger of the depravity of such a situation ... for example, Kosygin. He proposed to make changes in the economy, in the structure of industry, to create conditions for the interest of both directors and employees in the quality (and not only in "quantity") of their of labor. But the Politburo "laid ... its (!) understanding of socialist ideology and economics ... these people behind the" hill "could acquire beautiful, fashionable, modern things ... Soviet-could not .. (although many goods , by the quality of the like "soldier Oorfene Deuce, it was "heaps" ...) People beyond the "hill" could travel around the "civilized" world .... Soviet, they could not ... This "understanding of the difference" and "corroded" social ideology in the minds of the "Soviet people". But the basis for this, the conditions ... were created by the party leaders of the CPSU (they are also the state leaders ...) by incompetent actions or, conversely, inaction. The collapse of the Union is the result of the inability of the CPSU to govern the country, dogmatism in social ideology, its stagnation ...
              1. the lord
                the lord 13 May 2018 01: 41
                0
                You are careful with interesting notes that you probably read at the end of 80's. They wrote such a thing there, especially in Ogonyok - I’m still ready to go camping with all the Russians in short
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 13 May 2018 12: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: znavel
                  You are careful with interesting notes that you probably read at the end of 80's. They wrote such a thing there, especially in Ogonyok - I’m still ready to go camping with all the Russians in short

                  Here are the figs you guessed! Said: in 70 ... means in 70! And the conclusions are my own! Why should I regret the CPSU? I have never been in a party, and I wasn’t especially offered, because I was known as a buzotor at the enterprise ..... I often criticized meetings. True. Once the party organizer approached me with an offer, but I refused, citing that he’s “not worthy” ... But like the “true commies”, they ran out of the party. How did the rats from the sinking ship when the CPSU began to sink! That's how many “rats” it turned out that there was no one to defend the CPSU!
                  1. the lord
                    the lord 23 May 2018 13: 50
                    0
                    The CPSU was someone to defend-the Communist Party still exists, only as "RF". And the fact that members of the CPSU ran across to the other side, it’s just not “true commies,” just uncles did their own and only their career. The same theme happened with the USSR officers. As soon as the military profession became both popular and prestigious (the 70s), everything inferior was filled in there, which began to take things to the external DB theaters and in the Russian Federation itself. The first Chechen one, among other things, is a great shame for our armed forces. So crap against 30 thousand bearded men .... From this shame, all its participants do not wash off until the end of life.
        15. free
          free 9 May 2018 19: 28
          0
          Quote: Morosha
          In this case, Zyuganov is absolutely right, although it is time for him to retire.
          And here the whole CPSU, leaderism and incompetence of the general secretaries destroyed the USSR, which continues now.
          And the appointment of Medvedev is a crime, he is absolutely unsuitable.

          It is strange that Putin missed out on the fact that former members of the CPSU are now present in United Russia! What kind of merit did they end up with there? but in essence he was just the party of United Russia.
      2. Logall
        Logall 8 May 2018 19: 10
        +28
        Quote: taiga2018
        the main thing you do not ruin your disputes Russia ...

      3. Terenin
        Terenin 8 May 2018 21: 14
        +7
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Russia has existed in this format for a thousand years.

        That's right, the flexible design also has its advantages. Mankind does not exist as a single monolith. yes
      4. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 9 May 2018 07: 30
        +2
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Russia has existed for a thousand years in this format

        This is in what "such" format? In the "format" suspended for .........?
        1. the lord
          the lord 12 May 2018 23: 54
          0
          In the format of resistance around the perimeter of the borders. It was rare when it was quiet in certain directions. the opportunity always threatened from several sides
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 8 May 2018 18: 21
      +25
      And GDP is right good
      The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...
      1. rammjager
        rammjager 8 May 2018 18: 25
        +29
        But GDP was not a party member? KGB colonel, after all.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 8 May 2018 18: 28
          +15
          He personally led the country of the USSR?
          We are talking about leaders, that is, the highest leadership — the Central Committee of the Party and the Secretary General.
          1. rammjager
            rammjager 8 May 2018 18: 30
            +10
            Well, yes, bad communists and good ones. Did I understand correctly?
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 8 May 2018 18: 58
              +7
              Yes, that's right.
              In the CPSU there were both bad communists and good ones.
              Moreover, the good and the bad are in any business, in any community, organization, party, religion, whatever.
              For a normal adult, this is obvious.
              How do you know nothing about this?
              1. Chichikov
                Chichikov 8 May 2018 19: 17
                +2
                Quote: Mestny
                For a normal adult, this is obvious.

                With the boys, however, as well as with the opposition of the GDP, to conduct an objective dialogue about this, it makes no sense! Some from the list of "they are children", the second - from the clip "all delays ....".
              2. free
                free 9 May 2018 19: 40
                0
                What is bad for one, good for another and vice versa. The question must be posed correctly. There are communists (ideological), and there are careerists. For you who is bad and who is good?
          2. figwam
            figwam 8 May 2018 18: 56
            +2
            CC-ticking, CHK-ticking.
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 8 May 2018 19: 13
            +6
            Quote: Mestny
            He personally led the country of the USSR?
            We are talking about leaders, that is, the highest leadership — the Central Committee of the Party and the Secretary General.

            the excuse as at the Nuremberg Tribunal is "we did not know, the leadership was to blame, and we only obeyed the orders"
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 52
              -1
              This tribunal took place because we won. Turn it all differently - and the same thing would have to say to others.
              "Woe to the vanquished"
              This is not an excuse for anyone, by any means. It’s just that the good does not always win, as at that time.
              And those who really obey orders and believe their country are always there. And it is on them that everything rests. And from the good side, and vice versa.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 8 May 2018 20: 33
                +5
                Quote: Mestny
                And those who really obey orders and believe their country are always there.

                yes, I agree. The only question was how "courageous colonels and generals" allowed the country to be settled.
          4. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 8 May 2018 19: 41
            +5
            Quote: Mestny
            We are talking about leaders, that is, the highest leadership — the Central Committee of the Party and the Secretary General.

            Putin did not get personal, he blamed the collapse of the entire CPSU. It turns out also as a member of the Party. That is, he thereby does not deny his participation in the collapse of the Union? At present, for such heroic deeds, monuments are erected, Solzhenitsyn will confirm.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 8 May 2018 21: 08
              +8
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              That is, he thereby does not deny his participation in the collapse of the Union?

              then why did Zyu rebuke? He would have taken and repented, the CPSU and we, Zu and Pu, have ruined the country. This is true.
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 8 May 2018 21: 54
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                That is, he thereby does not deny his participation in the collapse of the Union?

                then why did Zyu rebuke? He would have taken and repented, the CPSU and we, Zu and Pu, have ruined the country. This is true.

                But what about the image of a land collector? (Damansky doesn’t count, we have already forgotten and passed).
          5. free
            free 9 May 2018 19: 29
            0
            He personally handed over a membership card.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 19: 48
              0
              Quote: free
              He personally handed over a membership card ...

              ... you hike.
              1. free
                free 9 May 2018 20: 47
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: free
                He personally handed over a membership card ...

                ... you hike.

                And here he is, the garden guard.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 9 May 2018 20: 48
                  0
                  Quote: free
                  And here he is, the garden guard

                  Is this the one who passed the membership card to you, or what?
          6. the lord
            the lord 12 May 2018 23: 56
            0
            He was on guard at the organization. Not in the empire, the leader may well be the enemy. It was precisely for this reason that the KGB existed. And if the USSR was falling apart, the blame lies with it. And that means the KGB.
        2. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 8 May 2018 18: 32
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          Here the president is right. And this is a bitter science for all of us .. Here only "EP" is slowly transforming into that "CPSU of the 80-x type"

          "Earlier, Vladimir Putin called the collapse of the Soviet Union the main geopolitical catastrophe of the XNUMXth century since World War II."

          According to the results of the Second World War, there was an international court and a court verdict guilty for her ......
          When ??
        3. Serving the Fatherland
          Serving the Fatherland 8 May 2018 18: 38
          +4
          Quote: rammjager
          But GDP was not a party member? KGB colonel, after all.

          ... It must be recalled that both Gennady Zyuganov and Vladimir Putin were in the CPSU at one time.
        4. INTER
          INTER 8 May 2018 18: 56
          +5
          Quote: rammjager
          Today, 18: 25
          But GDP was not a party member? KGB colonel, after all.

          Do you believe that the KGB colonel could stop the collapse of the country, even without being on the territory of the USSR?
          1. rammjager
            rammjager 8 May 2018 19: 11
            +4
            No, unlike the GDP, Zyuganov, whatever he was, did not change his convictions. Therefore, in my opinion, the president is, to put it mildly, wrong, reproaching Zyuganov. If anything, I am not for the communist, not for liberals, democrats, etc. D. I myself :)
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 8 May 2018 19: 52
              +4
              Quote: rammjager
              Unlike GDP, Zyuganov, whatever he was, did not change his beliefs

              96th year, continue to continue .. ???
              The beginning of the 00s, an alliance with Khodorkovsky, this is so communist wink
              He was lucky that he did not fall under the distribution ..
              1. rammjager
                rammjager 8 May 2018 20: 01
                +5
                Yes, understand, to me the bulb is all-communists, democrats, etc. The question of principle. How many former party members were repainted at the moment. That's the whole thing is an abomination. And mind you, party members are far from ordinary. Examples to bring?
              2. the lord
                the lord 13 May 2018 00: 03
                0
                Oh, I somehow missed the alliance with Khodorkovsky. But about the 96th - at the level of rumors. But now the trouble is yours- the USSR in the 96th year was gone. And other realities and allies of others. at one time, the Bolsheviks with whom they just didn’t cooperate, both the Socialist-Revolutionaries, the Bundists and the Mensheviks .... All kinds of alliances are possible here in the political struggle, if only not against their conscience. So sho, all this is past Zyuganov. He has a different mistake - he does not give way to the young, although he began to correct this in the last election.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 8 May 2018 19: 15
            +4
            Quote: INTER
            Do you believe that the KGB colonel could stop the collapse of the country, even without being on the territory of the USSR?

            and how many such colonels were inside the country? and specifically on the Lubyanka? KGB consisted of such colonels
            1. INTER
              INTER 8 May 2018 22: 31
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              and how many such colonels were inside the country? and specifically on the Lubyanka? KGB consisted of such colonels

              There are posts above the colonels who were also silent.
              And how do you imagine if a colonel or group of colonels goes against the opinion of the leadership, what is it called?
              The people voted in a referendum at that time to preserve the USSR.
              And who could stop all this?
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 9 May 2018 08: 26
                +1
                Quote: INTER
                There are posts above the colonels who were also silent.

                just about SILENT. When the EBN parliament from the tanks, they were also silent. And once again they shut up, I'm sure. Because the top has become more corrupt. Look at what cars they and their children drive, what property they have. They differ from oligarchs only in that they cannot leave the cordon. Theoretically, but practically-ride.
              2. the lord
                the lord 13 May 2018 00: 05
                0
                This is called a coup, and in favor of a referendum for the preservation of the USSR. Perhaps they shot somewhere. but only then did the KGB’s reputation not be so wet ...
        5. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 8 May 2018 19: 47
          +3
          Have you been a party member? Maybe at least the Komsomol ??
          1. rammjager
            rammjager 8 May 2018 19: 53
            0
            Question to me? If something, then I was ras ... fucking :) And, they don’t take such astronauts :)
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 8 May 2018 21: 43
              +2
              Well, a pioneer, even wink
              1. rammjager
                rammjager 8 May 2018 21: 56
                +1
                Yes, I even liked to wash my tie, iron it in the mornings ... Oh, just nostalgia. I probably wouldn’t refuse to return to pioneers now :)
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 8 May 2018 21: 10
            0
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            Have you been a party member? Maybe at least the Komsomol ??

            Every conscious citizen of the USSR was a Komsomol member. An offer to join the party was made to me on the day of the State Emergency Committee. He refused. Even then everything was clear
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 8 May 2018 21: 50
              +2
              Quote: Silvestr
              Every conscious citizen of the USSR was a Komsomol member.

              But I did not have time sad There was an opportunity to join the Komsomol a year earlier. He refused that he would not look like a "black sheep" in the classroom. What I still regret recourse
              Quote: Silvestr
              Even then everything was clear

              And who is to blame, the top ... Or ordinary wink
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 9 May 2018 08: 31
                0
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                And who is to blame, the top ... Or ordinary

                all. The CPSU then enjoyed the same love as EP. Brezhnev was also loved as well as GDP, the government also thought that it pays people salaries and waited for labor productivity to rise.
                The situation is now one to one, only the stratification of the population is more significant, medicine is more affordable, education is for money. The press of authorities is more. Remembering the outcome of the USSR, I am afraid of a repeat tomorrow. After all, power is even more corrupt than then.
        6. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 8 May 2018 20: 00
          +1
          Quote: rammjager
          But GDP was not a party member? KGB colonel, after all.

          He was 18 years old and keeps his party card in the table ... (in his own words)
        7. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 May 2018 20: 23
          +1
          There were 17 million of these party members in the USSR.
        8. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 8 May 2018 23: 10
          +4
          Quote: rammjager
          Today, 18: 25
          But GDP was not a party member? KGB colonel, after all.

          And GDP, the fourth belonged ...
          I went over the tape ... People, what is happening to us ??? We are all here, adults, mostly people ... Everyone was born in the USSR, almost wink
          Remember how it all happened. Who started all this?
          I am imperialist, not a monarchist stop
          I, for the USSR !!! But understand, the time of the Communists has passed ... They themselves have denigrated themselves .. And we, all of us, will have to gather under a different idea. And it’s time to gather ... It’s time for us to reconcile, to unite ourselves ... But we argue who the Union collapsed ...
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 9 May 2018 09: 05
            0
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            And it’s time to gather ... It’s time for us to reconcile ourselves, to unite ...

            around whom? United Russia? Putin? I do not believe them.
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            I, for the USSR !!! But understand, the time of the Communists has passed ... They themselves have denigrated themselves.

            I agree one hundred percent
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            And we argue

            and what else remains!
        9. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 9 May 2018 08: 16
          +2
          Did you hear this saying: “Without a piece of paper, you are a little bug, and a piece of paper with a man!”? They entered the party, often, forcibly, in order to be able not only to make a career, but just to do the usual (and, if you like, favorite thing .. .)
      2. Grandfather
        Grandfather 8 May 2018 18: 26
        +22
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        And GDP is right good
        The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

        and the last 20 years, who is the country? also "commie" ...?
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 8 May 2018 18: 51
          +14
          Unfortunately, too, the top desk is the top. apparatus. They destroyed the Communist Party, its authority was destroyed .. I recall a feature film - the Communist. That's who these Gorbachev-Ligachev and other scum spit on!
          1. beeper
            beeper 8 May 2018 19: 08
            +16
            I was very, very lucky in my life — I personally knew Real Communists, such as in the film “Communist,” so I understood well then and understand now that all this small-grass adaptive shell-shell is by no means Communists!
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 8 May 2018 21: 11
              +3
              Quote: pishchak
              I am very, very lucky in life

              my father-in-law was a real communist. He had gratitude from Stalin, but understood that the party was stepping the wrong way.
        2. FenH
          FenH 8 May 2018 19: 12
          +2
          Quote: Dead Day
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          And GDP is right good
          The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

          and the last 20 years, who is the country? also "commie" ...?

          Former but commie hi
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 8 May 2018 19: 16
          +4
          Quote: Dead Day
          and the last 20 years, who is the country? also "commie" ...?

          former KGB colonels as well as generals
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 56
            0
            Here they’re tearing - they can’t tear at all, for 27 years now.
            Maybe all the same not so derbanyat? Well, like among them, too, there are those who need the development of a country, who relate to their work as necessary?
            1. APIS
              APIS 8 May 2018 20: 07
              +2
              Quote: Mestny
              Here they’re tearing - they can’t tear at all, for 27 years now.
              Maybe all the same not so derbanyat? Well, like among them, too, there are those who need the development of a country, who relate to their work as necessary?

              Not long left, you’ll see for yourself if you still haven’t reached 78.
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 8 May 2018 20: 19
                -1
                You see.
                So far, there is no reason to see this.
                But the fighters against the regime at rallies are certainly more visible.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 9 May 2018 08: 38
                  0
                  Quote: Mestny
                  But the fighters against the regime at rallies are certainly more visible.

                  You’ll laugh, but something the authorities are preparing to defend themselves from the electorate: the Russian Guard with planes and tanks, high salaries to the security forces. Only this did not save the USSR. Both the National Guard and the security forces are people, and they will follow the top to a certain point. And then the top people call for help will be useless. Do you think that 76% supported Putin? You are mistaken, 76% voted against America. These are different things.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 8 May 2018 20: 25
                +1
                We will see Russia developed economically.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 9 May 2018 08: 34
              +1
              Quote: Mestny
              Maybe all the same not so derbanyat?

              Are you talking about privatization and the outflow of capital?
              Quote: Mestny
              Well, like among them, too, there are those who need the development of a country, who relate to their work as necessary?

              I don’t think, if there are any, then they back up their work with a cache in their pocket.
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 8 May 2018 20: 52
            0
            !
            Quote: Silvestr
            former KGB colonels as well as generals

            Ukraine is being bombarded by former daughters-in-law and daughter-in-law of the heads of regional and city party committees-all kinds of Valtsmany and Kapitelmany ..
            Well, all sorts of oligarchs Sylvesters and Kolomoyshi .. Well, you scratch your tongue about Ukraine?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 9 May 2018 08: 41
              +1
              Quote: 30 vis
              Well, all sorts of oligarchs Sylvesters and Kolomoyshi

              in Ukraine there is not a single oligarch named Sylvester. If I decided to pin up, thanks. Here are just a Ukrainian flag shows how Russian officials and the oligarchs are implementing presidential decrees. Truncated?
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 9 May 2018 14: 52
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                in Ukraine there is not a single oligarch named Sylvester. If I decided to pin up, thanks.

                You are welcome! Previously, you did not have a Svidomo flag ... It appeared .....
      3. vladfill
        vladfill 8 May 2018 18: 33
        +2
        Of course he is right, because he was in charge of a club over a hill, and he did not steer the country.
      4. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 8 May 2018 18: 37
        +19
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        And GDP is right good
        The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

        Cunning GDP ...
        Upstairs, there have long been no communists. He understands this perfectly.
        There, upstairs, they brought the right people. Which at hour X and did their job
        The petty-bourgeois element in the leadership of the party and state swept over and washed away the country
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 8 May 2018 19: 17
          +2
          Quote: To be or not to be
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          And GDP is right good
          The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

          Cunning GDP ...
          Upstairs, there have long been no communists. He understands this perfectly.
          There, upstairs, they brought the right people. Which at hour X and did their job
          The petty-bourgeois element in the leadership of the party and state swept over and washed away the country

          And here it is not cunning. That you misunderstand the essence of what happened. Communists are not communists, someone brought someone up! The CPSU was a self-sufficient and self-regulating system, the role of the CPSU was enshrined in the Constitution of the USSR, it had power and legal structures. In theory, with such initial conditions, there were all conditions so that the Communist Party could get rid of an alien element at any stage in the career of this element, as well as make decisions according to a changing environment. If this did not happen, it means that the Communist Party has rotted from the inside out, has degenerated, was unable to keep the situation under control, and is therefore responsible for the collapse of the once great country.
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 8 May 2018 21: 03
            +4
            Hagalaz (Roman) Today, 19:17
            Read the classics of V. And. Lenin and And. In Stalin.
            They warned.
            Lenin on the petty-bourgeois elements of the new party members and officials of Stalin on the intensification of the class struggle as socialism develops
            And now the official is more alive than all living !!!
            1. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 9 May 2018 07: 01
              0
              I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yeryoma. And then read the classics? The point is that having at its disposal absolutely all state instruments and, Oh, yes, the warnings of the classics (you yourself gave me an argument!), The Communist Party could not use all this for the good of its country, which led to the collapse of this country. And therefore GUILTY.
              Stalin generally led the country in manual mode, hiding behind the party, speaking modernly, just like Putin is now partly, for which he receives fair criticism.
              1. free
                free 9 May 2018 21: 13
                0
                Quote: Hagalaz
                I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yeryoma. And then read the classics? The point is that having at its disposal absolutely all state instruments and, Oh, yes, the warnings of the classics (you yourself gave me an argument!), The Communist Party could not use all this for the good of its country, which led to the collapse of this country. And therefore GUILTY.
                Stalin generally led the country in manual mode, hiding behind the party, speaking modernly, just like Putin is now partly, for which he receives fair criticism.

                Do you think that the party is some kind of a single, monolithic organism acting in a single impulse? That's why they told you to read the classics. And Lenin and Stalin warned just about the degenerates within the party. It seems to the uninitiated party only that the party is a monolith, but in fact it is always inside the party there is a struggle between power groups.
          2. free
            free 9 May 2018 20: 58
            0
            Quote: Hagalaz
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            And GDP is right good
            The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

            Cunning GDP ...
            Upstairs, there have long been no communists. He understands this perfectly.
            There, upstairs, they brought the right people. Which at hour X and did their job
            The petty-bourgeois element in the leadership of the party and state swept over and washed away the country

            And here it is not cunning. That you misunderstand the essence of what happened. Communists are not communists, someone brought someone up! The CPSU was a self-sufficient and self-regulating system, the role of the CPSU was enshrined in the Constitution of the USSR, it had power and legal structures. In theory, with such initial conditions, there were all conditions so that the Communist Party could get rid of an alien element at any stage in the career of this element, as well as make decisions according to a changing environment. If this did not happen, means that the Communist Party has rotted inside, has degenerated, was unable to keep the situation under control, and is therefore responsible for the collapse of the once great country.

            And since it degenerated and rotted, it means it ceased to be communist, didn’t it? Of course the name remained, but the content was not what it used to be. About that conversation, the CPSU was guilty of the collapse of the country, but at that time it was no longer in the CPSU ideological, and if there were too few, the Communist cannot but be ideological, and if he is not ideological, then he is simply a careerist.
      5. PalBor
        PalBor 8 May 2018 19: 04
        +4
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        And GDP is right good
        The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

        Then the right-wing GDP forgot about the KGB’s alma mater. So who could interfere, but no, in many ways even condoned the collapse.
        So whose would-be Akita Inu growled ...
        1. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 8 May 2018 20: 01
          +2
          Even with the disbandment of the GBV, the GDP realized what was happening, how not to miss one and led fellow friends.
      6. zugunder12
        zugunder12 8 May 2018 20: 07
        +1
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        And GDP is right good
        The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

        The economic system of the USSR was vicious and ineffective. I think that no one in the CPSU specifically set out to destroy the country. It’s too primitive to explain everything with the machinations of the enemy and sent by agents of the West.
      7. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 9 May 2018 03: 09
        +1
        And GDP is right
        comm and collapsed (top) ...

        What kind of American jargon is this contemptuous "commie" ?!
        You now have offended a lot of people by this, not to mention the whole historical formation, people and country that the whole world has feared and RESPECTED. The legacy and achievement of which is still shared and privatized.
        Russia now exists and develops only thanks to the Soviet basis and the groundwork for the future.
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 9 May 2018 03: 21
          +1
          And what did Putin keep silent about the role of the system state security in the collapse of the Union, about the KGB, which was obliged to protect and protect the political system?
          And, after all, there was still a referendum on conservation and its results are well known.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 8 May 2018 18: 39
      +15
      Russia will collapse the tacit consent of the people to the authorities, and quietly hated by them.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 03
        0
        Well, if so, then the Soviet Union collapsed precisely the silent hatred of the people to power with external consent.
        It seemed to many then that this was the solution to the problem. and everyone will heal now.
        However, it didn’t.
        Where is the guarantee that now, with the collapse of Russia, everyone this time will truly heal?
        Not only are there no such guarantees, but with a 100% probability we can say that this will be the final end of the country's thousand-year history.
        This is precisely what does not reach the brain of ordinary fighters with the regime.
        1. onix757
          onix757 8 May 2018 19: 13
          +7
          Quote: Mestny
          Well, if so, then the Soviet Union collapsed precisely the silent hatred of the people to power with external consent

          The people in a referendum supported the preservation of the Union. It has nothing to do with the collapse.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 8 May 2018 19: 19
          +1
          Quote: Mestny
          Well, if so, then the Soviet Union collapsed precisely the silent hatred of the people to power with external consent.

          do you think this is happening now?
          Quote: Mestny
          This is precisely what does not reach the brain of ordinary fighters with the regime.

          Well then, you need to learn from Comrade Kim. When compressing the spring, remember that it can move back.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 33
            -1
            Yes, there is always such a risk. Any head of state, including Putin, understands this perfectly. That is why everything is so difficult in the "spring compression" process.
            But Putin, judging by the results of voting in the elections, is doing just fine with this.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 8 May 2018 21: 12
              +3
              Quote: Mestny
              But Putin, judging by the results of voting in the elections, is doing just fine with this.

              it doesn’t mean anything yet. In Russia, from love to hate, one step
        3. APIS
          APIS 8 May 2018 20: 17
          0
          Quote: Mestny
          Well, if so, then the Soviet Union collapsed precisely the silent hatred of the people to power with external consent.
          It seemed to many then that this was the solution to the problem. and everyone will heal now.
          However, it didn’t.
          Where is the guarantee that now, with the collapse of Russia, everyone this time will truly heal?
          Not only are there no such guarantees, but with a 100% probability we can say that this will be the final end of the country's thousand-year history.
          This is precisely what does not reach the brain of ordinary fighters with the regime.

          The people hated just the antipodes of power: speculators, bribe takers, farcers, guild guards, etc., but for some reason believed that the authorities were to blame for their existence, and not their own tacit consent. They thought: freedom will come soon, all the reptiles will be transplanted, and we will be as rich as they are, only honest.
          Well, get it ...
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 9 May 2018 09: 07
            +1
            Quote: APIS
            The people hated just the antipodes of power: speculators, bribe takers, farmers, guild guards, etc. P

            who are now in power
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 May 2018 20: 28
          +2
          Fools step on the same rake several times, the first was in 1917, the second in 1991, the third in Ukraine in the 2014th.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 9 May 2018 09: 13
            0
            I tell you so, if people lived well, and the government didn’t steal, there wouldn’t be anything of this. For 100 years, there was no such mess in any water country in the world, but it happened in the USSR. Why? Because the government forgets that the people hired it, so that the authorities did everything for a better and dignified life. But neither in the USSR, nor in Russia and especially Ukraine, the government lived only for itself. And he lives only for himself.
            The first time is randomness, the second is coincidence, the third is regularity
            1. Pollux
              Pollux 9 May 2018 13: 15
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              For 100 years, there was no such mess in any water country in the world, but it happened in the USSR. Why?

              Someone has invested a lot of dough.
      2. zugunder12
        zugunder12 8 May 2018 20: 09
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        Russia will collapse the tacit consent of the people to the authorities, and quietly hated by them.

        Russia is unlikely to fall apart like the USSR. From it, lands on the outskirts can fall off, but this is not fatal.
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 9 May 2018 03: 33
          0
          Russia is unlikely to fall apart like the USSR. From it, lands on the outskirts can fall off, but this is not fatal.


          Here is one of the options. According to planso to speak.
          The Houston Project presents a detailed study of the Completion phase. It is connected only with Russia and there is no longer any talk of dismembering the USSR (as in the Harvard project, according to which it has already taken place). Here we are talking about the division of Russia into small states.
          According to the same plans:
          - Siberia should move to the USA;
          - Northwest - to Germany;
          - South and Volga region - to Turkey;
          - The Far East - to Japan to establish direct control over the raw materials of Siberia and the Far East.

          And maybe like this:

          Or so:


          And the most important thing! Where will the nuclear weapons go? And what will happen for his possession?
    4. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 8 May 2018 18: 57
      +3
      Just a show ...
      A show for laundering the leader of the Communist Party and its top for the mask of the show with Grudinin ... during the presidential election ..
      1. Opera
        Opera 8 May 2018 19: 22
        +7
        I seriously want to ask a question - what is there to argue about? What doubts can anyone have about what the president said? Of course, the Communist Party and the Union collapsed! Almost the entire top and the closest unit! Of course there was an external impact, but in no way, it is impossible to explain what happened to the then leaders by their interest in this! It came to the point that ordinary members of the CPSU, for the most part, honest people simply had nothing to protect! And they destroyed it with the same agility as in their time the Soviet republics were cut! Betrayal? To a certain extent, of course! Zyuganov himself had already begun talking about Khrushchev the traitor! Previously, the whole galaxy of faithful Leninists turned out to be traitors and spies, while Lenin was the founder of our state ... Not weak! Who is Andropov who brought to power Gorbachev is still a story shrouded in darkness ... But Gorbachev is a famous business who is an honorary German! You can continue but absolutely do not want to! If at least some small group of truly statist statesmen stood in power or near it, the union would have to be reformed. The people did not want the collapse of the country. Ideology by then ... I don’t know who was building communism at that time! I just don’t know such people. In order to really go further you need to stop leading these endless discussions about nothing!
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 8 May 2018 20: 02
          +6
          Quote: Oper
          If at least some small group of truly statist statesmen stood in power or near it, the union would have to be reformed. The people did not want the collapse of the country.

          Yes there were, but not many .. One of them, Nazarbayev.
          And those KGB colonels, which were discussed above, only by the 00th were able to break through to power. And only thanks to them, our country still exists.
          1. Opera
            Opera 8 May 2018 20: 07
            +7
            Which statesman Nazarbayev we see now. The rest I agree with you.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 8 May 2018 22: 10
              +3
              Quote: Oper
              Which statesman Nazarbayev we see now.

              And what do we see ??
              In Kazakhstan, there was no and was no civil war. Economic situation, side ... It could be worse ..
              The army is modernizing ...
              And most importantly, so far no revolutions. wink
        2. beeper
          beeper 8 May 2018 21: 14
          +5
          Comrade Oper, I fully support your entire post! good
          And let me put in my "5 kopecks" ?! After the Stalin era, no one thought to engage in ideology, its development and development in accordance with the current development of the “base” and “superstructure” (although in Stalin's times there were monstrous “clumsy” with theoretical “justification”)! IMHO
          Rather, the post-Stalinist imitations of such work were even invented a peculiar name at the Institute of Marxism-Leninism: "developed socialism", when the communism promised by Khrushchev was smoothly "merged" (having run out of oak wine, what ?! winked ) by 1980 ...
          “I don’t know who was building communism at that time!”? smile
          I built, as an ideological non-partisan communist, until the last day, until the very "August putsch" of 1991, built communism! On my section of the "labor front of the building of communism", which I headed, I was so funny request ( looking back yes ) All for the common good! He believed that if every Soviet person would work in his workplace as well, then we would definitely build communism, although not as fast as we would like smile !
          At that time, tens of thousands of full-fledged Soviet rubles passed through my hands and under my responsibility, and not a penny fell into my hands — that was how I was raised in the family by my father and mother, Real Workers (and my mother is also the Real Communist) , about these were shown in the best Soviet films, everything for people, for society and nothing for themselves ...
          At the same time, having an analytical and megacritical mindset, I perfectly saw and understood all the shortcomings of the Soviet system and the whole reason for it, but considered them to be surmountable and therefore did not remain silent, faced with injustice and dishonesty, regardless of ranks and positions ... and possible negative consequences for myself request
          I don’t think that I was the only builder of communism, Comrade Oper, I met people (maybe on the principle of “like attracts like”?), Who made more of mine for Soviet society! But the “upstairs” were not welcomed like that, because with me snickering party nomenclature was one “inconvenience", they loved sneaky sticks ...
          And so, "perestroika and glasnost" gave a start to their party-cooperative business under the "roof" of the CPSU and the Komsomol ... in all its glory, these rotten little ones (for the time being, hypocritically hypocritical of "caring for people"), with all the ensuing consequences for the Soviet Union, the Warsaw Treaty countries and CMEA.
          In order to move on, one must reject the destructive (that the Germans feel good, the Russian is death!) Westernized “universal values” (with their dying soul of unrestrained Covetousness and all-devouring Earnings) imposed on our multinational Russian World and embark on the path of Human Justice and Community The fate of all things! IMHO
          hi
      2. dSK
        dSK 9 May 2018 01: 04
        0
        Quote: To be or not to be
        A show for laundering the leader of the Communist Party and its top for the mask of the show with Grudinin ... during the presidential election ..

        At the meeting, Zyuganov, turning to the head of state, called on him to abandon the practice of closing the Lenin mausoleum with "all kinds of plywood." Communist Party leader: "Lenin is the same founding father of the current state, which in the USA, for example, are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and others."
        For the failure of the election campaign and given the "venerable age", they can send them to retire and choose a new one, the youth "props up."
    5. 1536
      1536 8 May 2018 20: 36
      +1
      Why the USA or, for example, Germany do not fall apart? Very simple. These states are profitable. Yes Yes. That ordinary, notorious profit, which K. Marx spoke of in his “Capital” (no matter who says, but no one has canceled the “political economy of capitalism”). And the USSR brought profit to those who really owned the means of production in it, i.e. CPSU. On one “beautiful” day, someone who was afraid of the phrase “party card on the table,” realized that his profit could be greater, but the Soviet Union and the USSR, the core of which it was, prevented this. Britain’s exit from the EU can serve as a similar example, although both of these events are not comparable in importance to millions of ordinary people, for whom the collapse of the USSR was a tragedy, doomed to poverty, war, degeneration, and a bracksite will certainly not bring the British such " costs". Although, of course, I could be wrong.
      Therefore, as long as the state brings profit to those who rule this state or receive capital gains from its functioning, the country will exist and develop. As soon as the process of profit-making is slowed down or stopped, perhaps from the point of view of someone, and this someone will put forward another model of a public education device, he will be supported by the majority of those in power who are also dissatisfied with a decrease in their profit or with what is called “freedom” today, no one will not be able to do with this process. Therefore, sanctions are so dangerous for Russia, and for any country in relation to which they are introduced, so intervention is so dangerous outside into the social, political or economic processes taking place in the state, the tricks of all kinds of chmar, and frank priests or stupid managers who annoy the masses, which are fraught with social explosions, are dangerous.
      In this regard, we can say that we have six years before 2024.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 9 May 2018 09: 15
        +1
        Quote: 1536
        In this regard, we can say that we have six years before 2024.

        there is no time for leadership
    6. Vend
      Vend 10 May 2018 09: 01
      0
      Lenin is the same founding father of the current state, which in the USA, for example, are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin.
      To hear such a comparison from Zyuganov is very funny. I would also understand the comparison with Peter I, Ivan III, etc. .... But with the founders of the United States. This clearly shows where the Communist Party leader is looking. As the saying goes, "the hat is on the thief."
  2. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 8 May 2018 18: 17
    +19
    under the strict guidance of the Communist Party, the Soviet Union ceased to exist

    It was a management mistake.
    As Comrade Beria said?
    "Each mistake has a surname a name and a middle name"
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 18: 22
      +8
      Vasya, greetings and Happy Victory Day! soldier drinks
      Quote: KOT BYUN
      As Comrade Beria said?
      "Each mistake has a surname a name and a middle name"

      The same words came to mind. good
      1. cniza
        cniza 8 May 2018 18: 31
        +9
        All on the occasion of the Great Victory and Good Time, and the collapse of the USSR is to blame for everyone who was in power and the people who swallowed everything in silence ... you need to look ahead and not sprinkle ashes on your head.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 18: 34
          +7
          Vitya, mutually! soldier drinks
          Quote: cniza
          one must look forward and not sprinkle ashes on one's head.

          "The words are not a boy, but a husband!" (from) good good good drinks
        2. Mestny
          Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 06
          +3
          The population did not swallow that you! It was overjoyed at the TVs! It then seemed to him that the last step was left before American jeans and 40 varieties of sausages. Happiness is about to come, as in American films.
          It was only later, after almost 10 years, that many began to realize what they had actually lost. And even now it cannot reach some.
          Looking forward is wonderful.
          However, it is better to look in all directions - so as not to repeat your mistakes.
          But this understanding of reliance on the past comes only with years and life experience.
          Therefore, many will say - appreciate that. what you have, and improve of course. But - carefully, do not break anything.
          1. cniza
            cniza 8 May 2018 20: 32
            +1
            Looking forward is wonderful.
            However, it is better to look in all directions - so as not to repeat your mistakes.
            But this understanding of reliance on the past comes only with years and life experience.


            I agree with you, but you need to learn from the mistakes of others, not your own, but how to achieve this? "Poor we educate today's youth ..."
      2. ANCIENT
        ANCIENT 8 May 2018 18: 37
        +3
        Yeah, the best Pavel site hi hi!!! You are the main thing there, learn from us who you do not need to admit to power! sad
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 18: 40
          +3
          Vitalyevich, I am glad to see you in a new incarnation! hi drinks
          Quote: ANCIENT
          You are the main thing there, learn from us who you do not need to admit to power!

          Yes, you yourself see that there are enough people who want to sow discord ...
      3. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 8 May 2018 18: 43
        +3
        Vasya, greetings and Happy Victory Day!

        Greetings, Pasha! hi
        And you with the holiday of VICTORY. All the best and peaceful sky above your head!
        1. ANCIENT
          ANCIENT 8 May 2018 18: 47
          +4
          Vasily, also on Victory Day !!! soldier
          1. CAT BAIYUN
            CAT BAIYUN 8 May 2018 19: 16
            +3
            Mutually, Sergey! Mutually! Happy holiday!
        2. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 18: 49
          +6
          As if some star-striped did not want: Victory Day in the hearts of not only those who won this victory with their blood. We remember and tell our children to remember !!! I kneel before those who went through the crucible of war ...
          1. ANCIENT
            ANCIENT 8 May 2018 18: 59
            +4
            Pavel, the main thing is that our children and their children not only remember this, but also honor it properly !!!! soldier soldier
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 8 May 2018 19: 03
              0
              But this already depends on how we bring up our children and how they bring up their own.
    2. PalBor
      PalBor 8 May 2018 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      under the strict guidance of the Communist Party, the Soviet Union ceased to exist

      It was a management mistake.
      As Comrade Beria said?
      "Each mistake has a surname a name and a middle name"

      This Kaganovich said: "Every accident has a full name." More precisely, comrade, without errors smile
    3. FenH
      FenH 8 May 2018 19: 14
      0
      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      under the strict guidance of the Communist Party, the Soviet Union ceased to exist

      It was a management mistake.
      As Comrade Beria said?
      "Each mistake has a surname a name and a middle name"

      Khrushchev soldier
  3. 210ox
    210ox 8 May 2018 18: 18
    +12
    Here the president is right. And this is a bitter science for all of us .. Here only "EP" is slowly transforming into that "CPSU of the 80-x type"
    1. vlad007
      vlad007 8 May 2018 18: 30
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Here the president is right. And this is a bitter science for all of us .. Here only "EP" is slowly transforming into that "CPSU of the 80-x type"

      Without defending EP, I want to note nevertheless that “That Communist Party of the Soviet Union of the 80-x type” had cells at every enterprise — there were liberated party organizers who didn’t do anything and received salaries and bonuses. It was they who were to blame for many problems of production - they did not understand anything in production, but they tried to lead!
      1. beeper
        beeper 8 May 2018 18: 50
        +9
        At our factory, the party organizer not only lounged all day drinking tea and reading newspapers in his small room at the factory office, but he was also considered a fitter at a hazardous workplace, so he retired at 55! And the sub-committee, the "lining" of the director, was listed in the foundry as a core worker, who at 50 "earned" the foundry pension.
        And there were soooo that there was no place to put samples!
        There were, of course, among the members of the CPSU idealistic idealists, real communists, but, alas, they did not do the weather (although they worked for wear) and the nomenclature party elite did not like such ... (the same in the Komsomol!)
        The CPSU and the Komsomol are rotten from the head! IMHO
        1. edmed
          edmed 8 May 2018 19: 39
          +3
          The story of life. There was a party organizer at our enterprise, which I remember, I always ran sideways with the director, other times came and headed our party organizer, a lagging enterprise, I raised it to the point that they were attracted to the shift of soldiers from the nearby unit, but then capitalism, corporatization, in general, hard workers for 3 months do not see a salary and then "bugs" appear - sell the shares and get cash. After some time, the meeting, our "hero" appears - I’m the boss here! I have a share package! Hardworking-Well, once the owner, duck pay! “Hero” -Say, you’ll plow for a bowl of balanda “Why all this, no matter what color the party scum will put in your pocket, it’s prettier, the scum will not.
      2. Flatter
        Flatter 8 May 2018 20: 02
        +1
        Just like in today's Russian government. And the chairman-lawyer.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 8 May 2018 18: 37
      +2
      In the 80s, this EP appeared in all its glory, only then no one knew about it.
      1. onix757
        onix757 8 May 2018 18: 52
        +4
        Only taxes for people did not go to the collection of dead wood and paid education with medicine did not dream of a terrible dream. And the homeless were seen only in the international panorama program.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 16
          -1
          I’ll tell you one terrible secret - there was a period in developed socialism when — attention — they paid for secondary education. In the literal sense, money. That is, the seven-year plan is free, and everything else is for the money.
          Everything was a bit more complicated with medicine. If you lived in a small provincial town, getting qualified help with a serious illness was ... difficult. It was necessary to have a certain administrative “weight” among local party members and other masters of life. Moreover, there were literally a few centers of qualified assistance throughout the country.
        2. FenH
          FenH 8 May 2018 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: onix757
          Only taxes for people did not go to the collection of dead wood and paid education with medicine did not dream of a terrible dream. And the homeless were seen only in the international panorama program.

          The word “scourge”, you probably don’t know? Medicine was free, only you won’t put it to the doctor, they’ll kill drugs or clamp drugs on the table, and dentistry is generally the pinnacle of dreams fellow
          And at the institute without the blat, I still had to try very hard
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 8 May 2018 18: 50
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      Here the president is right. And this is a bitter science for all of us .. Here only "EP" is slowly transforming into that "CPSU of the 80-x type"

    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 May 2018 19: 18
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      That's just "EP" is slowly transforming into the "CPSU sample 80-x"

      Yeah. They laughed at Mutko the builder, but did not object.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 May 2018 20: 29
        0
        And without Mutko, construction is doing just fine - so the minister is separate, construction is separate.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 May 2018 20: 40
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          construction and without Mutko perfectly copes

          So why is he needed that? He is a candidate of economic sciences in the field of physical education and sports. And legal on the same topic. But, by the way, he will receive another education, for the first time, to a multi-worker.
  4. ARES623
    ARES623 8 May 2018 18: 23
    +6
    Zyuganov quite expectedly voted against. A very favorable position - they will nevertheless approve Medvedev, but for all the problems of the government, any setbacks and difficulties, one can and will say: "But I did not vote for him, I was always against it." This is a way to evade any responsibility for the fate of the country that he is trying to rule, as the leader of the party faction in the Duma. Zyuganov was afraid of responsibility in 1996, when he gave power to EBN, he is afraid of it today. Such is the party leader. Well, who has definitely produced nothing in his life, except for manure and bad air ...
    1. vladfill
      vladfill 8 May 2018 18: 29
      +2
      You can confirm Zyuganov’s refusal of the 1996 won elections
      documented or not? If not, then manure and bad air are your product.
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 8 May 2018 18: 44
        +4
        Quote: vladfill
        You can confirm Zyuganov’s refusal of the 1996 won elections
        documented or not?

        I do not claim that Zyuganov won the election against Yeltsin in the second round. But according to the report of Viktor Ilyukhin, there were so many violations that there were quite a lot of reasons to deal with obvious postscripts, and the judicial prospect of approving the election results was not entirely obvious. But the headquarters of Zyuganov did not initiate the activity of his party, take it to the streets, as happened in Georgia, in Ukraine. Moreover, before the second round, he almost curtailed his campaign work. Here is the EBN who came to the second round 3! stopped him and walked around. Call it Zyuganov’s honest struggle for power ... This is Zyuganov’s drain of his entire campaign, his party. Are you from the Communist Party? I sympathize.
        1. yehat
          yehat 8 May 2018 19: 27
          +6
          no matter who won. it is obvious that Zyuganov received a very large share of the vote and was obliged to somehow realize this and move Yeltsin’s team to defend those positions that he stated (in the Duma, in court, in the polls), but he didn’t do this, but simply left for side, in fact betraying voters who said at the election that Yeltsin was going very wrong.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 8 May 2018 18: 36
      +1
      That’s for sure, he circled Grudinin and everyone else in these elections, except Putin. Vile fittest.
      1. onix757
        onix757 8 May 2018 18: 40
        +2
        Is the flag on ava consistent with religion?
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck 8 May 2018 19: 31
        +5
        Quote: NordUral
        That’s for sure, he circled Grudinin and everyone else in these elections, except Putin. Vile fittest.

        not tired of believing in fairy tales about Grudinin?
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 8 May 2018 20: 49
          +2
          Better is the fairy tale about Grudinin than the tale of the iPhone Prime Minister and Mudko the Builder.
    3. beeper
      beeper 8 May 2018 19: 00
      +3
      He settled down well in life, sort of like in business, but is not responsible for anything ?! A pound was moved instead of himself ... by the "Horns and Hoofs" office? IMHO
    4. Lint64
      Lint64 8 May 2018 19: 01
      0
      And what was the pan on the head, the machine in the hands ..?
    5. Mestny
      Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 20
      0
      Today I observed the following - several cars with the flags of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and with matyugalniks proceeded along the main street. And right then, out of the ground, young people appeared with flags and signs "I'm from the society of the deaf. Help people with disabilities, buy a victory flag for 100 rubles."
      And then, after a couple of hours, these same people stood near the stall with shawarma, ate. and chatted cheerfully among themselves.
      This earnings on the Great Victory and on the feat of the people is disgusting, and the Communist Party is engaged in this.
      1. Diminisher
        Diminisher 8 May 2018 23: 40
        0
        Sorry, but how is this logically related?
        I mean "passing cars with the flags of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation" and "buy a victory flag" »
        Seriously, maybe new methods of constructing cause-effect have appeared in the world?
        Or maybe you yourself so thought of it?
  5. Lesorub
    Lesorub 8 May 2018 18: 28
    +4
    Medvedev is again the head of government))))) at this point, the logic ends.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 8 May 2018 18: 34
      +4
      There is logic, and even some - this type diligently fulfills, and in a team, the collapse of the country. And in this his actions are quite logical, as well as appointing him again to this role and chair.
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 8 May 2018 19: 05
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        this type diligently fulfills, and in a team, the collapse of the country.

        Well, demonstrate that they ruined the team there? Can you offer to rebuild your services? Here the whole Internet squeaks, which Medvedev is not good, as if everything from the Communist Party.
        1. yehat
          yehat 8 May 2018 19: 29
          +3
          to say that Medvedev could not cope, well, you need to be a member of the Communist Party.
          according to the results of the government’s work, Medvedev has had the worst performance since 2000, except for Kirienka, who was simply framed. He is simply not able to lead the growth of the economy. And the education of a lawyer is clearly not conducive to this. Command and control are two different things.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 8 May 2018 20: 23
            +1
            Quote: yehat
            according to the results of the government’s work, Medvedev has had the worst performance since 2000, except for Kirienka, who was simply framed.

            And what, Kiriyenko, too, after 2000 ....? Governor's score sheet more than 50 positions. What are your positions on Medvedev? What qualifications do you have in order to evaluate the work of top-level officials. In my opinion, if Putin is responsible for everything in the country and takes Medvedev as his assistant, then he knows much better who he is more comfortable working with. This is his assistant. You will be the president, you will choose your assistant. By the way, Putin is also a lawyer. And Sechin is a teacher of Portuguese and French. Who are you? What did you command?
            1. yehat
              yehat 8 May 2018 21: 26
              +1
              Is Medvedev the highest level?
              his level is the management of a small department in the company and this is his ceiling.
              everything above is just not qualifying
              And Putin has taken a serious course in establishing the state, how it works, in the FSB.

              ps
              and as for me, I have a specialized dual education and management experience and I'm not a lawyer.
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 8 May 2018 21: 34
                0
                Quote: yehat
                Is Medvedev the highest level?
                his level is the management of a small department in the company and this is his ceiling.

                He was president and chairman, and you - alas ... Envy does not paint ...
                1. yehat
                  yehat 9 May 2018 14: 31
                  0
                  he was listed, but was not.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 May 2018 20: 35
        +4
        Oh, how much we are ruined, that as many as several hydroelectric power stations, state district power stations, nuclear power plants are built every year, hundreds of factories and plants equip the army with new equipment and GDP grows by 10 trillion rubles every year - if this is such a strategy, I’ll just collapse "us further" Dear ".
    2. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 8 May 2018 18: 35
      +5
      They’ll give him an iPhone now, the size of him — so that he can catch more Pokemon lol!!!
      1. cedar
        cedar 8 May 2018 19: 49
        +3
        Sentinels, let's end your booth.
        There are no questions to those who believe that the USSR has "collapsed".
        Questions to those who know that the Soviet Union was defeated in the Cold War.
        It dawned on you that Russia was in occupation and that the occupier created a colonial system of government, in the person of the government, the Duma, the courts, the media, which are subordinate to the winner’s external management ... the USA? Who enshrined all this anti-system in "our" Constitution?
        According to this "our" Constitution, Putin is also obliged to comply with Washington’s instructions, but that wasn’t ...
        He led the National Liberation Movement from the "freedoms" and "democracies" of the unipolar trap world, which was especially evident when the Crimea was returned. And if earlier the invaders sucked us out slowly, but surely, now they have thrown all their forces into our destruction. Our Army and Navy does not allow them to do this. The Commander-in-Chief, who is President Putin, but he is also the Chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation. Consider ...
        The level of our aircraft, you are well known. VO constantly informs us and you must understand the conditions under which the Army and Navy are under construction, to which the West and its agents are increasingly opposing. Medvedev, according to the logic of things, was supposed to interfere with Putin, but so far this has not happened and this is his benefit and value for Putin. Come to Medvedev's place, anyone, he could not do ANYTHING for the country and people, because the colonial anti-system will not.
        It can only be broken by force, military force — the Army, which needs to be prepared for this, which Putin does, as the Commander-in-Chief and Chairman of the RF military-industrial complex, which Medvedev helps with his non-resistance ... in the context of an anti-system that the people can destroy and free themselves from the Army which she can’t. The propaganda of the enemy has washed and successfully brainwashed many wretched people, which we see ...
        We see in the root, dear ones, and we are preparing for a referendum on the Constitution on giving the President extraordinary powers, perhaps the Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation ...
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 8 May 2018 20: 09
          +5
          According to this "our" Constitution, Putin is also obliged to comply with Washington’s instructions, but that wasn’t ...

          The brain GCD is probably not being treated. Maybe the picture will help?
          1. cedar
            cedar 8 May 2018 20: 17
            +1
            Stirlitz Müller also had a lot to say, except for the most important thing, that he was a Soviet intelligence officer behind enemy lines, huh ...
            We see in the root of the brains of different brainworms from the local farce ...
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 8 May 2018 20: 39
              +3
              Quote: cedar
              Stirlitz Müller also had a lot to say, except for the most important thing, that he was a Soviet intelligence officer behind enemy lines, huh ...

              Along the way, and the picture did not help fool
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 8 May 2018 20: 58
          +3
          Oh, another one about the next great HPP. Oh, how the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is fighting with the owners of the Fed, already a sight for sore eyes. People’s money in green cut paper in the secondary school are lying, sons and daughters of individuals of the Russian oligarchy in the Sorbon and Yale study. Palaces, yachts and islands there. Well, "honestly earned loot" in offshore, where would you go without it. And eternal partnership and concern. That’s the kind of “war” between the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and the owners of the Fed.
        3. ARES623
          ARES623 8 May 2018 21: 37
          +1
          Quote: cedar
          We see in the root, dear ones, and we are preparing for a referendum on the Constitution on giving the President extraordinary powers, perhaps the Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation ...

          Ek you waved ?! Do you want to attach a president for two bets? You have everything there ... on benches, revolutionary are you ours?
          1. cedar
            cedar 9 May 2018 13: 11
            0
            Calmness, the main calmness, a matter of everyday life ...
  6. Comrade Beria
    Comrade Beria 8 May 2018 18: 30
    +7
    Quote: KOT BYUN
    As Comrade Beria said?
    "Each mistake has a surname a name and a middle name"

    Quote: bouncyhunter
    The same words came to mind.


    Due to my natural modesty, I cannot accept the authorship of this phrase. wink
    Comrade Stalin did not say it either.

    In the original, it sounds like this:
    "Every accident has a name, surname and position."
    And he said her Commissar of Railways Lazar Kaganovich.
  7. onix757
    onix757 8 May 2018 18: 31
    +4
    It must be assumed that at that time a member of the party, the guarantor, helped the liberal and the measure of St. Petersburg to preserve the Union in one person.
  8. sergo1914
    sergo1914 8 May 2018 18: 31
    +10
    And where did the deep drilling office look? Called to stand guard. Vladimir Vladimirovich, comment on this moment. You, like, were the shield and sword of this State.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 8 May 2018 18: 42
      +3
      He quit the KGB very “on time” at the very height of perestroika. And he sharply repainted as a cooperative capitalist.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 8 May 2018 20: 11
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      You, like, were a shield and a sword

      He was the head of the club.
  9. NordUral
    NordUral 8 May 2018 18: 32
    +6
    Only Putin forgot to add that the collapsed Union Communists were only formally. But the fact that ordinary members of the party accepted everything so easily is also a fact. They just did a good job on all of us, changing white to black in our heads.
    1. onix757
      onix757 8 May 2018 18: 41
      +3
      They would come out and support ordinary communists in 93 and 96. But there wasn’t
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 May 2018 20: 41
      +2
      "Only Putin forgot to add that the collapsed Union Communists were only formally." And here is a hitch, these holders of the CPSU and communism were under 70 years old everyone - a bunch of senile people who were only interested in their opinion. The beginning of the collapse was laid in the 60s.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 9 May 2018 03: 30
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        "Only Putin forgot to add that the collapsed Union Communists were only formally." And here is a hitch, these holders of the CPSU and communism were under 70 years old everyone - a bunch of senile people who were only interested in their opinion. The beginning of the collapse was laid in the 60s.


        So Vovka defended them !!!
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 9 May 2018 08: 12
      0
      Quote: NordUral
      have worked well on all of us

      Here I agree with you: Broadcasts of the congresses where they practiced, who will beat the USSR steeper, one “Korotich Spark” brought more than Goebbels!
  10. Mentat
    Mentat 8 May 2018 18: 32
    +3
    Lenin is the same founding father of the current state, as in the USA, for example, are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and others.
    Far from all agreed with such a thesis.

    This is not even populism, no matter what and why it is expressed. The Russian state is somewhat more than 100 years old. An order of magnitude.
  11. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 8 May 2018 18: 33
    +4
    I wonder who Zyuganov will give his party, if all of a sudden crying? He is not eternal! But the Soviet Union collapsed the country's main enemy-the liberals, crawled into power!
    1. Ivan Tarava
      Ivan Tarava 8 May 2018 18: 49
      +1
      No one will not give. The party will simply cease to exist.
      1. onix757
        onix757 8 May 2018 18: 58
        +4
        No one will not give. Party just ceases to exist

        the party is not Zyuganov, but ideology. There will be an idea alive.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 May 2018 21: 02
      0
      But the Soviet Union collapsed the country's main enemy-the liberals, crawled into power! The Soviet Union collapsed: a planned economy aimed at helping half the world for thanks, huge military expenses, squeezing and oppression of society and elites, scientists, writers, artists, etc., the lack of any self-realization opportunities for people at all - a complete equalization, but not all, total there was a shortage of consumer goods, and they kept the whole press by the throat - they allowed to write only what they wanted - the highest ranks, everything in the country was perfectly everything ideally - "We live in a country of utopia" The result of all this was so the USSR collapsed and no one wanted to save it , even their own citizens - who collapsed - the answer is "Together."
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 8 May 2018 22: 06
        +1
        Comrade Zyuganov, like the previous general secretaries, will leave his post only in the coffin IMHO
  12. Doliva63
    Doliva63 8 May 2018 18: 35
    +8
    Zyuganov is right - the Russian Federation called itself the successor of the Union, and its creator - Lenin. We abandon Lenin, we abandon the USSR, then whose successor is the Russian Federation? laughing What did Lavrov say there? laughing
    1. bk316
      bk316 8 May 2018 18: 49
      +4
      CPSU lovers dedicated:
      Yes, they are both right, and Sue and GDP.
      Only Zu is afraid of ALL the truth.
      True, it is possible that GDP is afraid of ALL the truth, but so far no one knows the part of which it is afraid of GDP. belay
      In general, it was not necessary to touch Stalin ....
    2. Seaflame
      Seaflame 8 May 2018 19: 19
      0
      The USSR is just a temporary form of existence of Russia. To compare Lenin, Stalin with the founders of the United States, this does not climb into any gates ...
      1. Maxnet
        Maxnet 9 May 2018 01: 47
        0
        You are phenomenally uninformed.
  13. vladfill
    vladfill 8 May 2018 18: 37
    +1
    ..... abandon the practice of closing the mausoleum of Lenin "with all kinds of plywood ....

    .... the Guarantor cannot refuse this practice, it, this practice, is run by those who are in public
    ward sit either left or right, namely: Fedotov, Alekseev, Lukin, gerbera and other,
    other, other .....
  14. Dormidont
    Dormidont 8 May 2018 18: 38
    +2
    For after the assassination of Stalin they embarked on the path of renegade and Trotskyism
  15. Chaos
    Chaos 8 May 2018 18: 39
    +1
    Zyuganov found his warm place in the country and is engaged in his well-being, and not by the thought of the workers.
  16. ochakow703
    ochakow703 8 May 2018 18: 40
    +3
    “Under the leadership of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, our country, the Soviet Union, has reached very large peaks. And Gennady Andreevich listed many of them: this is space, and a nuclear shield, etc. Gennady Andreevich did not mention only one thing: under the strict guidance of the Communist Party The Soviet Union ceased to exist, of course, there’s nothing to rejoice about, good or bad, but this is a historical fact. There was no one except the Communist Party, whose role was enshrined even in the Constitution of the USSR, who led by this process. "
    Good words were said by an intelligent man, but everyone gets tired ... Well, the day was difficult, eventful, and here the CPSU. Well, if the question was about money in America, then it would be possible to get together, take a break, have a cup of coffee ... and KPKSS, now what to take from them! Yes, they destroyed the USSR, and the point! And Comrade Gorbachev is still a member of the party, and Comrade Yeltsin is generally a star of dancing and an honored conductor in a drunken business. They are the color of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Tired president. It would be necessary to the cottage to Shoigu, in Khakassia. Catch a fish, take a steam bath ... Only a government, it has already been formed, and nothing shines for the people from this.
    1. onix757
      onix757 8 May 2018 18: 47
      +1
      They created the USSR and the great country. They could be blamed by Stalin, but not those who are now in power.
      1. Pollux
        Pollux 8 May 2018 22: 13
        0
        Quote: onix757
        They created the USSR and the great country.

        Ivan the Terrible created a great country, what do the Communists have to do with it?
        1. Maxnet
          Maxnet 9 May 2018 01: 46
          +3
          I do not want to touch Ivan IV, for a monumental person, victory at Molodyah is worth something, but you do not need to consider it separately from Ivan III, who laid the empire. But I will touch you, for the USSR has given our history much more than any monarchist period, and the monarch has actually destroyed our country. The Communists led the troops in WWII, and went into battle themselves, do not you think that opening their mouths to them 2 hours before May 9 is already too much? My great-grandfather was a member of the party, and fought on the fronts, he is a communist, what do you say communists?
          1. ochakow703
            ochakow703 9 May 2018 04: 57
            +1
            But with you I agree one hundred percent. If you want, you can dig up a lot of dirt (or invent it) for any period, any country, but it’s criminal and mean to belittle the feat of ordinary communists and Komsomol members of the USSR. My grandfathers were communists, they fought honestly, and those who were destined to return from the war worked until the last days, and even when military wounds and age did not allow them to work actively, they did not sit still and tried their best to be useful to the country.
            Happy Victory Day!
          2. Pollux
            Pollux 9 May 2018 13: 08
            0
            Quote: MaxNet
            But I will touch you, for the USSR has given our history much more than any monarchist period, and the monarch has actually destroyed our country.

            It was not the USSR that gave our history anymore, but the twentieth century, and it gave more to everyone — to democracies and monarchies and socialist states. It is a merit of time and not a system.
            Quote: MaxNet
            The communists led the troops in WWII, and went into battle themselves, do not you think that opening their mouths to them 2 hours before May 9 is already too much?

            Non-party people also fought, and there were more of them. Victory in the Great Patriotic War is not a personal merit of the Communist Party.
            Quote: MaxNet
            My great-grandfather was a member of the party, and fought on the fronts, he is a communist, what do you say communists?

            So what? I’m not against the Communists, but I don’t need to attribute to them all the merits. I won the whole nation and the Communists are not stand out.
        2. ochakow703
          ochakow703 9 May 2018 04: 52
          +2
          "Ivan the Terrible created a great country, what have the Communists to do with it?" Let us not be likened to Ukrainian Maidan workers, they say they dug the sea, and in general, everything that happened in the 20th century is a real evil.
  17. fa2998
    fa2998 8 May 2018 18: 43
    +12
    But Putin recently flew from Mars, and now he’s rebuking everyone! Do older people remember how they used to say in the USSR, “The KGB is an armed detachment of the party.” So was the president and ranks silently in 1991? negative hi
  18. Coconut
    Coconut 8 May 2018 18: 44
    +2
    the Communists themselves snout to the nines ... winked
  19. Doliva63
    Doliva63 8 May 2018 18: 44
    +10
    "Putin - Zyuganov: The Soviet Union collapsed the CPSU"
    Putin lied. By the time of the collapse of the Union, the party did not play any role. But he also needs to make excuses - he took the oath of the USSR, was a member of the party, and then the dark past. I do not vote for the capitalists and traitors.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 25
      0
      The party at that time was the guiding and guiding force - both in fact and in accordance with the Constitution.
      Everyone was growling and opportunities were in her hands. But they used them like that.
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 8 May 2018 22: 09
        0
        you are right! the party was guiding and guiding, BUT just not responsible for anything IMHO
  20. Freeman
    Freeman 8 May 2018 18: 45
    +10
    under the strict guidance of the Communist Party, the Soviet Union ceased to exist.
    / V.V. Putin /

    Quote: LiSiCyn
    And GDP is right good
    The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

    The "top" collapsed, but the "classification" is true for the rest ...
    Quote: rammjager
    But GDP was not a party member? KGB colonel, after all.

    Information for consideration ...

    Whom to which category of the proposed LiSiCyn attributed, everyone decides for himself.
    Threat. As for me, Putin is a "namba van" (number one) wassat
    1. DPN
      DPN 8 May 2018 19: 27
      +2
      Yes, here you understand how you want, roofing felts toli are felts traitors.
      1. albert
        albert 8 May 2018 21: 03
        +2
        Quote: DPN
        Yes, here you understand how you want, roofing felts toli are felts traitors.

        Moral degeneration.
    2. yehat
      yehat 8 May 2018 19: 37
      +2
      Quote: Freeman

      Top collapsed

      and what is the tip based on? this is not a gang of 4 musketeers, but an army.
      Otherwise, such a large country cannot be ruled.
      And if the earhooks have knocked to the top, you need to understand that they rest on the pyramid of earhooks.
      And they always seeped into power, but under Stalin they were regularly put for tricks to the wall,
      and then irresponsibility began to grow.
      1. oldzek
        oldzek 8 May 2018 22: 13
        +1
        Here is another example. I think for many my age it’s not news: I was told at one time, you want to become a captain, join the party. or .... and it doesn’t matter what your political views and passions. that’s how the CPSU grew.
      2. Freeman
        Freeman 8 May 2018 22: 38
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        Quote: Freeman

        Top collapsed

        and what is the tip based on? this is not a gang of 4 musketeers, but an army.
        Otherwise, such a large country cannot be ruled.
        And if the earhooks have knocked to the top, you need to understand that they rest on the pyramid of earhooks.
        And they always seeped into power, but under Stalin they were regularly put for tricks to the wall,
        and then irresponsibility began to grow.

        I agree with you. But unfortunately, we ourselves had a hand in creating this "pyramid of tricks", although, to some extent, not through our own fault. “Negative selection,” often began back in school. When the future “opportunist careerists” came forward to the role of “Komsomol leaders”, according to the “recommendation” of the school leadership, who knew how to please the authorities with “exemplary” behavior and “excellent” study.
        1. yehat
          yehat 9 May 2018 14: 34
          0
          This is a normal selection. what else to ask with children?
          but you need to ask for actions and consequences - this responsibility has eroded
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 9 May 2018 16: 53
            0
            Quote: yehat
            This is a normal selection. what else to ask with children?
            but you need to ask for actions and consequences - this responsibility has eroded

            Find this movie on the Internet. Just about the situation that I described.
  21. kit88
    kit88 8 May 2018 18: 52
    +4
    The GDP contradicts itself, it is taking leaps and bounds the country along the path of the USSR, to the same rake. To distemper like the 90s. Again, a one-party system was created, and EP is not popular among the people. All their election victories are ensured by one person - Putin, the people vote personally for him.
    After 6 years, what will happen? Will the people be given the right to choose a president from EQUAL candidates? So there are no candidates. A stable democratic system has not been created in the country.
    So the receiver, because GDP is not eternal. But what if the receiver is weak, like Nicholas II? Then again hello 90s.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 May 2018 21: 05
      +1
      And without Putin, Russia will live and move on - to develop.
      1. Maxnet
        Maxnet 9 May 2018 01: 50
        0
        Yes it will. The only question is, how is the state independent, or how is Ukraine?
    2. yehat
      yehat 8 May 2018 21: 32
      0
      GDP contradicts itself

      but in my opinion he is consistent. Its function is to resolve the issues of the state’s work between thieves' “business” groups, and in plain sight to portray a progressive wise ruler, a philanthropist. This is exactly what I see.
  22. impostor
    impostor 8 May 2018 18: 56
    +5
    Corrupt functionaries of the party destroyed the Union, those who now live in Bavarian bungalows, those who destroyed Hegel's social spirit, those who are not enemies, but true Gaidar liberals, those who invented vouchers and CIFs for their removal from suckers (citizens, but this is legal , this is not a crime, is not subject to revision), those who are still faithful to the ideas of the eternally blue EBN, those who are not ashamed of the poor old woman, those who became tests of the oligarchs, those who sold Kursk in negotiations with the CIA director for the debts of the oligarchs, those who sold warm hearts, cold heads and clean hands, all sold for geliki, those who had been in power for 20 years, and the people were both in shit and in it
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 May 2018 21: 08
      +1
      "Which is 20 years in power, and the people were both in shit and in it." In this state at the moment there is only a layer of the people - the scum of society: criminals, drunks, loafers and drug addicts.
  23. Evgeny Gennadevich
    Evgeny Gennadevich 8 May 2018 18: 58
    +6
    The USSR did not collapse of the CPSU, but a handful of traitors clambered into its ranks, such as Humpbacked.
    1. yehat
      yehat 8 May 2018 19: 40
      +1
      you do not understand.
      A handful could not break the union. It was a process that has developed over many years.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 8 May 2018 20: 05
        0
        You are right - it was a long process, gradually dispersed from the time of Khrushchev. Until about the beginning of the 70s, it was still somehow normal and quite level. The first real signs of worsening lag were outlined precisely in the early 70s as a result of fatal reforms of the very Khrushchev leadership.
        And by 1981, we had already arrived quite ready - at the top there were a handful of ancient senility, lower corruption, nepotism and criminal groups in key areas, and at the very bottom was drinking and not believing the working population.
        1. yehat
          yehat 8 May 2018 21: 29
          0
          The first signs appeared much earlier:
          what is the recognition of the fake lunar program of the United States or
          the protection of Cuba by submarines in surface position - and these are only the most noticeable.
    2. beeper
      beeper 8 May 2018 19: 42
      +3
      Dear Evgeny Gennadievich! A rather big, however, “bunch” of opportunists, latent renegades, it was, permeating the entire CPSU from top to bottom, a sort of dense nomenclature network ... something like a mafia “camorra” - recruiting more and more new members on the basis of the “input- the ruble, and the exit is two and with a scandal, "reproducing and mercilessly cultivating the spirit of opportunism and universal approval, I’m telling you like a" screw "of that mechanism ... and like a" sticking out nail that is being hammered " yes
      As for me, in my eyes this "mass party" no longer enjoyed any moral authority, probably, since the time of the third or fourth Gertrude of the "talented Leonid Ilyich" request , although I remember Brezhnev’s time as the very best good from the Soviet and, if there was a fabulous "hot stone", I would like to return forever to that prosperous "stagnation" of the heyday of the USSR yes !
      hi
  24. New Year day
    New Year day 8 May 2018 19: 08
    +4
    But both Zyuganov and Putin have collapsed!
    The CPSU, represented by people like Zyuganov, really destroyed the USSR, and the KGB, represented by people like Putin, allowed it to be done. So both are to blame, since they were directly related to these structures
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 8 May 2018 19: 29
      +2
      Quote: Silvestr
      The CPSU, represented by people like Zyuganov, really destroyed the USSR, and the KGB, represented by people like Putin, allowed it to be done. So both are to blame, since they were directly related to these structures

      But you are absolutely right, or rather you will not say.
    2. yehat
      yehat 8 May 2018 19: 42
      +3
      Putin served in Germany as an ordinary officer. How could he prevent the collapse of a country in which he had not even been? And by what means? Rebellion around Berlin?
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 8 May 2018 20: 01
        +3
        Quote: yehat
        Putin served in Germany as an ordinary officer. How could he prevent the collapse of a country in which he had not even been? And by what means? Rebellion around Berlin?

        Putin refers to the entire system of the then KGB, which decided to surrender the USSR for the sake of capitalists and oligarchs, by the way at the time of the collapse of the USSR Zyuganov was also not known to anyone, and he headed the Ryzhkov election headquarters (1991), but Yeltsin defeated, so it’s written correctly
        So both are to blame, since they were directly related to these structures
        1. yehat
          yehat 9 May 2018 14: 41
          0
          The KGB did not decide to hand over anything. Everything is simpler - Khazin describes it well. The elite decided to transfer their status to children, privatize their position. In what form - capitalism or the slaveholding democracy of Sparta - they did not care.
          And the elite had such a goal because there were too many people there with the worldview of cattle, careerism and philistinism. But they themselves were not rightfully the elite. This is not the psychology of the elite, this is the psychology of thieving slaves. And blame for this on a couple of Khrushchev and Brezhnev, who unscrewed the nuts of personnel selection and control.

          Many say the elite and communism are incompatible. This is not true. There are people who just need to live like everyone else, and there are people who want to achieve something. the first group should never be an elite, but the second one - those who have achieved socially valuable outstanding achievements, are the real elite, but only until they have turned off this path. And, by the way, the milkmaid with the academician and the aviation captain with the janitor can be equal in this status. This is an ideal social elevator, which was gradually buried for about 30 years until the collapse of the USSR. Examples? Pugacheva has been a real elite for many years. And now she hasn’t been for a long time. Sakharov was an elite for many years, but he got involved in politics and ceased to be it.
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 8 May 2018 20: 09
        +1
        Understand that no argument will reach them.
        The main thing for them to shout is that Putin is to blame. In any case, for any reason. There is no question of any “truth” here.
        Here, another task is to minimize the legitimacy of the leadership of the state.
        This work is going on in all possible directions. with utmost care and inhuman perseverance.
        These are trying on the VO forum, others in other places.
        1. Giants
          Giants 8 May 2018 21: 00
          0
          The second day you puff out for all the local Zaputinians who are missing somewhere. Aren't you tired? Tell me, what kind of legitimacy of the leadership of the state do you say? About 77% drawn?
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 9 May 2018 08: 20
          +2
          Quote: Mestny
          Here, another task is to minimize the legitimacy of the leadership of the state.

          I respect your opinion, but by its actions the government itself reduces the legitimacy of the population. That will increase retirement age, think you will believe more Medvedev?
  25. DeusExMachina
    DeusExMachina 8 May 2018 19: 11
    0
    EMC Gorbachev + Missing, EBN, = "Happy America"
  26. Giants
    Giants 8 May 2018 19: 11
    +2
    Putin to Zyuganov: the Soviet Union destroyed the CPSU
    Putin, tell people how you, being a communist and kgbeshnik, defended our homeland - the USSR? And how did you, miracle, end up in the front ranks of those who ruined the Union?
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 8 May 2018 19: 24
      0
      Quote: Giants
      Putin to Zyuganov: the Soviet Union destroyed the CPSU
      Putin, tell people how you, being a communist and kgbeshnik, defended our homeland - the USSR? And how did you, miracle, end up in the front ranks of those who ruined the Union?

      The work of Vladimir Putin in the authorities of Leningrad and St. Petersburg was carried out from 1990 to 1996 (on May 16, 1992, Leningrad was renamed St. Petersburg [1]).
      In the course of his work, Vladimir Putin held a number of posts in the government:
      1990-1991 - Advisor to the Chairman of the Leningrad City Council A. A. Sobchak.
      1991-1992 - Chairman of the Committee on External Relations of the Mayor's Office of Leningrad (St. Petersburg)

      An example of the "work" of this authority.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 38
        +2
        How can the 1989 chronicle indicate Putin’s poor performance in 1991?
        This is called - pull the owl on the globe.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 8 May 2018 20: 17
          +2
          Quote: Mestny
          How can the 1989 chronicle indicate Putin’s poor performance in 1991?
          This is called - pull the owl on the globe.

          Yes, he didn’t start. But under Sobchak, he began to work from 1990 (to 1996). And he did not stop these outrages (he did not expose, he did not report, etc.). And if he couldn’t, then why didn’t he resign? About "shot himself" I will not say anything.
          Threat. On January 10, 1992, the Leningrad City Council established a deputy working group to investigate the activities of the City Hall Committee on Foreign Relations led by Marina Salier and Yuri Gladkov. The scandal was connected with the then existing program, which was carried out by the FAC led by Putin.
  27. Seaflame
    Seaflame 8 May 2018 19: 16
    +2
    I am negative towards the Communists, but in this case they are great. Absolutely obscene and inappropriate character will again become the Prime Minister of Russia ... We will hold on to the advice of this character.
  28. DPN
    DPN 8 May 2018 19: 20
    0
    That's right, Russian bourgeois certainly will not agree with this, which one wants to stand at the machine or plow in the field. At the time, Zhirinovsky also said that you will never live like us. The Communist colonels, of course, did their best to save the USSR, which is why it fell apart.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 May 2018 21: 11
      0
      And why stand at the machine and plow - if you can give an opportunity, make money to others. Not all entrepreneurs — but everyone needs work.
  29. Mestny
    Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 23
    0
    Quote: sergo1914
    And where did the deep drilling office look? Called to stand guard. Vladimir Vladimirovich, comment on this moment. You, like, were the shield and sword of this State.

    Where did she look, you need to ask her then leaders?
    Well, to make it completely clear how this works, I recommend going to your own boss and loudly declaring to him that he is not looking there. doesn’t do that, and only you know how to do it right.
    Then write to us what came of it.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 8 May 2018 20: 17
      +2
      There was such a general, Bonaparte, of the lieutenants, so he came to disperse everyone and became emperor. He was an ideally savvy comrade., He spat on all kinds of authorities
  30. Dead duck
    Dead duck 8 May 2018 19: 27
    +4
    under the strict guidance of the Communist Party, the Soviet Union ceased to exist

    not a ....
    these are people warmed up in warm places and living for themselves and collapsed.
    with any system and system they did (do) the same thing am
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 8 May 2018 19: 40
      -1
      Up there - people are also sitting. And then they sat.
      People generally tend to create coziness.
      I do not justify anyone.
      I ask only to introduce myself in this role - would a noble impulse be crystal clear honest and dedicated to the cause?
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck 8 May 2018 20: 47
        +3
        nothing is perfect, the limits (limits) of the rational should be.
        the line is unsteady and constantly fluctuating ...
  31. Amateur
    Amateur 8 May 2018 19: 43
    +3
    Medvedev is better than Grandpa Sue. Where he was in 1994. And for how much he leaked all the people. Gorbachev No. 2
  32. Plowman
    Plowman 8 May 2018 20: 02
    +5
    It is worth reminding Putin that he was also involved in this, as a communist (at the time of the collapse of the USSR) and as an employee of the KGB, who could not ensure the security (integrity) of the country and the subsequent plunder and lawlessness, as a result of which the country lost several million of its citizens.
  33. Essex62
    Essex62 8 May 2018 20: 11
    +1
    Quote: Hagalaz
    Quote: To be or not to be
    Quote: LiSiCyn
    And GDP is right good
    The commies and collapsed (top) ... Some betrayed, others were silent, others were scared, and nobody asked the fourth ...

    Cunning GDP ...
    Upstairs, there have long been no communists. He understands this perfectly.
    There, upstairs, they brought the right people. Which at hour X and did their job
    The petty-bourgeois element in the leadership of the party and state swept over and washed away the country

    And here it is not cunning. That you misunderstand the essence of what happened. Communists are not communists, someone brought someone up! The CPSU was a self-sufficient and self-regulating system, the role of the CPSU was enshrined in the Constitution of the USSR, it had power and legal structures. In theory, with such initial conditions, there were all conditions so that the Communist Party could get rid of an alien element at any stage in the career of this element, as well as make decisions according to a changing environment. If this did not happen, it means that the Communist Party has rotted from the inside out, has degenerated, was unable to keep the situation under control, and is therefore responsible for the collapse of the once great country.

    Well, let me disagree! From the 85th to the 91st, 6th year of tireless work of the evil tandem to mow personnel, it could not but lead to the destruction of the system. submariners, says a lot. Reformat a society without a core in a centralized state, perhaps in full, as history has shown. Now there is a wave of this process.
  34. private person
    private person 8 May 2018 20: 16
    +2
    But Putin, after all, served in the KGB, and that’s the backbone of the CPSU, so what claims to the party of which he swore to serve.
  35. lopvlad
    lopvlad 8 May 2018 20: 19
    +2
    Zyuganov, turning to the head of state, called on him to abandon the practice of closing the Lenin mausoleum with "all kinds of plywood."


    I join and fully support Zyuganov in this matter. Closing the mausoleum with plywood on May 9 is the complete disgrace of the Russian authorities.
  36. Mestny
    Mestny 8 May 2018 20: 21
    +1
    Quote: Oper
    I seriously want to ask a question - what is there to argue about? What doubts can anyone have about what the president said? Of course, the Communist Party and the Union collapsed!

    Those who "argue" here do not need this. They need to prove that Putin is to blame.
    For this, they are ready to pull any owl on a globe of any size.
  37. Alexander War
    Alexander War 8 May 2018 20: 31
    +2
    Well done, GDP, so Zyuganova printed it, almost And the KGB profiled and Gorbachev received an award in the USA for the collapse of the USSR!
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 May 2018 21: 50
      +1
      GDP yes well done
      Is it a secret for you that at the time of the destruction of the Union, Putin was a member of the CPSU and the KGB?
  38. zoolu350
    zoolu350 8 May 2018 20: 31
    +5
    But Lt. Col. Putin, when he was in the KGB, was obviously in some other Communist Party that was saving the country. Also in this "other CPSU" were such "convinced communists" as the EBN, Chubais, Sobchak, Chernomyrdin and others. Opa, so these are the founding fathers of the Russian oligarchy, that is, the Neovlasovs. Uncle Sue, for his cowardice and conciliation, of course, has nowhere to put tests, but here the hired manager of the Russian oligarchy managed to spit on himself and his masters.
  39. Alexander War
    Alexander War 8 May 2018 20: 34
    +3
    Well, it's like a patriot of Medvedev, each code extends the import of Boeing aircraft without duties and taxes!
  40. Yarik
    Yarik 8 May 2018 20: 39
    +2
    Putin to Zyuganov: the Soviet Union destroyed the CPSU

    Yarik - To Putin. United Russia will destroy the Russian Federation.
  41. Weyland
    Weyland 8 May 2018 20: 41
    +2
    Lenin is the same founding father of the current state, as in the USA, for example, are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and others.

    Does the name "Rurik" Gene says nothing?
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 8 May 2018 23: 05
      0
      Quote: Weyland
      Lenin is the same founding father of the current state, as in the USA, for example, are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and others.

      Does the name "Rurik" Gene says nothing?

      "Russian - on white" is written - current state.
      Throughout its existence, the USSR refused to recognize itself as the assignee of the Russian Empire, declaring that USSR is a new statethat arose "on the ruins of the old world."
      The Russian Federation considers itself the successor of the USSR, on the basis of the agreement of the RSFSR with the CIS countries.
      The true nature of statehood directly of the Russian Federation is revealed through the content of the Law of the RSFSR of December 25, 1991 No. 2094-1 “On changing the name of the state of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic”.
      Clause 1 of this law establishes that “the Russian Federation (Russia)” is the new name of the state of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (RSFSR), and by no means a new subject of international law. That is, there is no succession between the RSFSR and the Russian Federation - it is simply one and the same subject, one and the same state. That is why in the Russian Federation the laws of the RSFSR were retained, including the Constitution (Basic Law) of the RSFSR of April 12, 1978 (valid until September 21, 1993), which was also noted in this article; the authorities of the RSFSR, including the President and the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, retained their powers; For some time (until December 6, 1993 - the day the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of November 30, 1993 No. 2050 came into force), the symbols of the RSFSR operated.

      Based on this, Lenin can be considered the "founding father" of the Russian Federation.
  42. Tomato
    Tomato 8 May 2018 20: 48
    +2
    1. Putin himself was a member of the CPSU.
    2. When it was necessary to save the USSR, he fled, threw the identity card of a KGB officer during the Emergency Committee. He ran with Sobchak to save "young Russian democracy."
    But these are trifles.
    Friends, if you see next to you a Russian person mourning for the collapse of the USSR, urgently, URGENTLY !!! call him a team of psychiatrists. He is sick. He is socially dangerous.
    Every Russian person with a flag of the USSR on an avatar should see a doctor.
    Russian scientists, research teams, are studying demographic processes in the post-Soviet space. And all came to the same conclusion. If the USSR had survived today, the Russians in it would have become part of the nat. minorities. Yes, yes, friends. You can verify this yourself. Over the past 20 years in the republics of Avg. Asia has experienced a real population explosion.
    Given the cohesion, clannishness and sometimes (why hide) aggressiveness of the Muslim community, it is not difficult to imagine the consequences.
    In the best case: redistribution of financial flows, changes in the personnel policy (understand), the corresponding processes in internal migration, etc.
    Well, at worst ....., just remember what happened where the Russians were in the minority: the same Wed. Asia, Tuva, Transcaucasia, today - Abkhazia.
    Thanks to the disbandment of the USSR, the Russian ethnos received a fresh breath, the opportunity to build a normal national state, to develop.
    But alas, for now, we are not using this opportunity. As in the old joke: everything is in the USSR, but not everyone has enough.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 8 May 2018 23: 30
      0
      Tomatoes (Ivan Tomatoes) Today, 20:48
      Russian scientists, research teams, study demographic processes in the post-Soviet space. And all came to the same conclusion. If the USSR had survived today, the Russians in it would have become part of the nat. minorities. Yes, yes, friends. You can verify this yourself. Over the past 20 years in the republics of Avg. Asia has experienced a real population explosion.

      It seems to me that scientists are still "British." You yourself indicated that the population explosion has occurred over the past 20 years. Under the USSR, this would not have happened for purely economic reasons. in the republics of Central Asia, industrialization and the concomitant urbanization of the population took place.
      Urbanization, if someone suddenly does not know, is an increase in the share (and role) of the urban population. Moving to cities radically changes the life of society and, in particular, leads to a decrease in the birth rate. On average, urban residents have far fewer children than rural children.
      After the collapse of the USSR, the process of de-industrialization and the outflow of the population to agriculture began. That's the whole secret of the "population explosion."
      1. Tomato
        Tomato 9 May 2018 08: 32
        0
        There are a lot of materials on this topic. And somehow the work of a whole scientific team looks more convincing than your fantasies.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 9 May 2018 12: 38
          0
          Quote: Tomatoes
          There are a lot of materials on this topic. And somehow the work of a whole scientific team looks more convincing than your fantasies.

          Of course. You can even recall the source - the theory of Racial hygiene.
          According to her - there are “worst” (“lower”) people with a low level of mental development, which multiply much faster than the “best” or “higher” representatives of humanity.
          And not just "scientific teams" worked on this, but "whole institutes", like the "Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Human Genetics, and Eugenics."
          And even textbooks for the SS were published (Reichsfuhrer SS. The SS officer and the issue of blood. Biological patterns and their practical use for the preservation and enhancement of Nordic blood. Elsnerdruk, Berlin, 1940).
          Threat. So, where there is "my imagination" before the "works" of such "scientific teams".
          1. Tomato
            Tomato 9 May 2018 15: 24
            0
            Schizophasia is painful? Give a link? Catch https://www.bsu.by/Cache/pdf/767813.pdf
            Institute of Economics, Ural Branch of RAS
            Institute of History and Archeology, Ural Branch of RAS
            Ural Institute of Management
            RANH and GS under the President of the Russian Federation
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            There is a good Russian proverb: if you say nothing, you will marry a smart one. Use it.
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 9 May 2018 18: 45
              0
              Tomatoes (Ivan Tomatoes) Today, 15:24
              Give a link? Catch

              And in which of these works (from your words) the conclusion is made - "If the USSR had survived today, the Russians in it would have become part of the nat. minorities."?
              If even in the article “Tskhai LA DEMOGRAPHIC WAVES IN UZBEKISTAN (HISTORY, MODERNITY AND PROSPECTS)”, a conclusion is drawn about a decrease in population growth rates?
              Or is this your own conclusion?
  43. VladGashek
    VladGashek 8 May 2018 20: 48
    0
    Each sandpiper fights for a place in the mausoleum. Zyuganov has no chance, so he defends Ilyich. And the GDP thinks of its enduring glory in Russian history, so it thinks of a place on the Red Square instead of Lenin. Like no, a quarter of the years at the trough, to blame, the power will be fed. So you need to look for a place near the Kremlin wall. And we argue about high matters, the Christian morality of respect for the dead. In fact, only ambition, the desire to surpass the predecessors, humiliating their ashes. So did NSH and LIB. So do the current rulers of Russia.
  44. Rastas
    Rastas 8 May 2018 20: 51
    +7
    Putin himself was a member of the CPSU, and disavows. And do not talk about an ordinary member. He was no ordinary. At the time of the collapse, he was already working as an assistant to Sobchak, an ardent anti-adviser. And Putin served him faithfully, and then went to work in Moscow with Chubais. These weathercocks rule the country. They were "faithful communists", then Yeltsinists, then they themselves reached the top, changing color, like chameleons.
  45. yawa63
    yawa63 8 May 2018 20: 55
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: gladcu2
    GDP said true.

    But what did his native KGB do? Did you drink vodka? After all, if the EBN made a coup, then the KGB did nothing to stop it. Why is the SBU worse?

    That's right, there was even a department for the protection of the constitutional order (or something like that) was, and now it would be worth asking the Chekists - where you looked, or maybe attract someone for the collapse of the country
  46. Mentat
    Mentat 8 May 2018 21: 10
    0
    Quote: Doliva63
    Zyuganov is right - the Russian Federation called itself the successor of the Union, and its creator - Lenin. We abandon Lenin, we abandon the USSR, then whose successor is the Russian Federation? laughing What did Lavrov say there? laughing

    Finish raving, after all. Russia existed long before the USSR, it was only one of its forms, or, if you like, it was the unifying core of this form. Go and read in the dictionary what the word "successor" means. Russia assumed the rights and obligations of the USSR, this does not mean that before the USSR the Russian Empire did not exist. Enough of the snowstorm already.
  47. yawa63
    yawa63 8 May 2018 21: 10
    +3
    What are your positions on Medvedev?

    It was enough for me that they introduced an excise tax on fuel, promised to remove the transport tax, but left both this and that ...
    Who promised? Medvedev! Remind about Serdyukov and Vasiliev? Or about Mutko? And the increase in the tax burden (taxation of garden buildings) and all kinds of excise taxes and fees? Personally, this is more than enough for me!
  48. vik669
    vik669 8 May 2018 21: 13
    +1
    Quote: Mestny
    In the CPSU there were both bad communists and good

    In EP there are both good and bad and their own proven sidekicks!
  49. Mentat
    Mentat 8 May 2018 21: 28
    0
    Quote: private person
    And Putin, after all, served in the KGB and this is the support of the CPSU

    This is the support of the state, not the CPSU. You how the KGB stands for, in the know?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 May 2018 21: 47
      0
      You how the KGB stands for, in the know?
      did you live in the union?
  50. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 May 2018 21: 46
    +3
    So I have not been to the CPSU and can make different statements. But Mr. Putin was not just a member of the CPSU, he was in the front line of the party in the KGB. But this is first. Secondly, in hindsight, you can expose anyone and whatever.
    But where does the country EdRo, the presidential apparatus and the government with the Duma lead? Poverty, homeless people, no money, optimization of medicine, delivery of migrants. So there’s nothing for Mr. President to be proud of except for Kiselev and Solovyov.
    1. Tomato
      Tomato 8 May 2018 22: 07
      0
      Let me clarify. Not in the "advance detachment, but the KGB - the armed detachment of the Party.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 May 2018 22: 21
        0
        and the KGB is an armed detachment of the Party
        You are right, the formulations have been forgotten for a long time ago.
        By the way, if you compare the one that the cat abandoned the kittens, he always has nothing to do with Zyuganov. That's what Zyuganov did in those years
        In early 1991, he called for the removal of Mikhail Gorbachev from the post of Secretary General. On May 7, 1991, the Sovetskaya Rossiya newspaper published an open letter from Zyuganov, “An Architect at the Ruins,” addressed to a former member of the Politburo, Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, senior adviser to the President of the USSR Alexander Yakovlev, which sharply criticized Perestroika’s policies.

        In the spring of 1991, he headed the election headquarters of N. I. Ryzhkov in the presidential elections in the RSFSR. These elections were won by the Chairman of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR B. N. Yeltsin.

        In July 1991, he signed, together with a number of well-known state, political and public figures, the appeal “The Word to the People”. The appeal talked about measures to prevent the collapse of the USSR and about possible tragic events. In August 1991, he was nominated as a candidate for the election of the 1st Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the RSFSR, but withdrew in favor of V. A. Kuptsov due to the lack of experience in parliamentary work. After the party was banned on November 6, 1991, Zyuganov de facto continued to work as secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the RSFSR.