Which of the former USSR, Putin did not congratulate on Victory Day?

Russian President Vladimir Putin sent congratulations on the 73 anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War to the leaders and peoples of the countries that were previously part of the Soviet Union as republics. Congratulations were not sent to the heads of the Baltic republics, as well as Ukraine and Georgia. Instead, the Russian president congratulated the Ukrainian and Georgian peoples, as he had done in previous years.

From the congratulatory material:

Vladimir Putin congratulated the leaders of Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, as well as citizens of Georgia and Ukraine on the 73 anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War.

The congratulatory messages of the head of the Russian state emphasize that Victory Day is a sacred date and a symbol of unity and unparalleled heroism of our peoples who fought shoulder to shoulder on the war fronts and worked selflessly in the rear in order to save the Motherland and all humanity from fascism.

Vladimir Putin emphasized the importance of passing the undistorted truth about the events of World War II to the younger generation, and also stressed that the duty of current generations is to prevent the repetition of the tragic events of the past.

The Russian president expressed confidence that the traditions of fraternal friendship and mutual assistance, hardened during the years of severe trials, will remain a reliable basis for the development of relations between our countries.

Vladimir Putin conveyed sincere gratitude to all war veterans and home front workers, wishing them good health, longevity, peace and prosperity.

Meanwhile, the President of Ukraine shared with Ukrainians information that his wife Marina found information about her grandfather missing (born in the Samara Region). Recall that Ukraine is not celebrating Victory Day, but “a day of remembrance and reconciliation.”

From the message Poroshenko:

It is difficult to keep tears when you find even the slightest information about your relatives who were missing on the fronts of the Second World War ...

Probably, the Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation must especially sacred power. After all, Marina found the news today that her grandfather Nadezhdin Nikolai Lukich went missing last March in 1943.

Since September, 1941, Marina’s grandmother, has been waiting for her husband, and her mother, for her father. All these long years, the family tirelessly conducted searches to find out about his real fate, find the grave and personally pay homage and memory.

Finally there was at least some clue! With God's help, we hope to find the burial place as soon as possible. Looking further ...

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Comments

[NEXUS]

Grandfather Parasha, if he fought in the Red Army, looks at him and comes out in shame. Tears welling up in him, the fascist unfinished. Ugh, an abomination.

[figwam]

What will be their overthrow when they find out that he died or was executed by Bandera.

[For example]

Marina found the news that her grandfather ...

Marina found the news that her grandfather RUSSIAN!
Petyunya boil, fascist scum. Your wife’s grandfather gave his life for Russia, and you, bastard, are ruining the Russian people. Ghoul. Burn you in hell and fry in a pan with chocolate.

[NEXUS]

Quote: For example

Burn you in hell and fry in a pan with chocolate.

You cannot help curses, as well as appeals to the conscience of this geek. Anyway, the military will have to solve the problem. And we all look to the West, afraid of reaction, sanctions, disapproval. We were designated EVIL. And Evil is subject to destruction. So what kind of dancing is it in partnership then?
Putin himself said, if you can’t avoid a fight, hit first.

[Senior manager]

Quote: NEXUS

Putin himself said, if you can’t avoid a fight, hit first.

Trump is struggling to find a reason for war, but not with Russia until it is completely destroyed, which is simpler - North Korea, Syria, now Iran. The FSA is making every effort to weaken Russia economically and politically, at the moment they are afraid of an equivalent or more powerful answer, waiting for a favorable moment. The Russian position does not imply an attack on "partners." By your post you are trying to preserve the President weakly. No words - COOL.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: NEXUS

You cannot help curses.

This is what we, educated atheists in the USSR think so, and a strongly spoken word has special power, each of us has moments in life related to words addressed to us or to those close to us, and we remember this all our lives. So the curse addressed to someone, it must find its purpose, and therefore you must be careful with the words.

[LSA57]

Quote: NEXUS

Putin himself said, if you can’t avoid a fight, beat first

have not fought for a long time? thank God you're far from the button. Did McCain accidentally invite you to a funeral? talk about war there

[just exp]

I'm more interested. and Putin brought condolences to Kaklam for the May 9 tragedy?

[LSA57]

Quote: just EXPL

I'm more interested. and Putin brought condolences to Kaklam for the May 9 tragedy?

But I was interested, and what such a tragedy occurred on May 9? and why YOU consider the President worse than yourself. YOU didn’t even in the house manager.

[just exp]

mdya. not only everyone understands sarcasm, but few can understand it.
do you think, for banderlogs, the collapse of the Third Reich is a tragedy or a day of joy?
as if hinting - I tried to suggest that May 9 was a tragedy for kaklov. and Putin could (I did not say that he SHOULD do this) pin a pig at the expense of the fact that their heroes are on the side NOT of the Soviet army, but on the side of Hitler

[just exp]

not a waltzman, but his wife.

[the most important]

Quote: NEXUS

Grandfather Parasha, if he fought in the Red Army, looks at him and comes out in shame.

Waiting for him in heaven with an aspen stake. You can not make elders wait long ..

[Maz]

He is like a different nation, is it a Woltzmann?

[Incvizitor]

Grandfather or spinning in a coffin, or he himself was fascist dirt.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Quote: Incvizitor

or fascist mud itself was

Yes, you can’t do so without any reason, now we’ll assume all the missing people

[210ox]

Am I supposed to intensify by reading a letter of the type for which Bandera and the SS men are now a model? A lying reptile!

[NEXUS]

Quote: 210ox

Lying reptile!

The time when negotiations could change something has passed. Now the output is single-power. Sooner or later, there will be a war with Ukraine, as young people grow up there on the foundations of the Third Reich, and we on patriotism and the memory of our grandfathers ... there will be a conflict of views anyway. It is better now so as not to leave the solution of this problem to our children.

[Mussasi]

I’m wondering which of the leaders will come to our parade, is there a strong foreboding that no one !?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Mussashi

I’m wondering which of the leaders will come to our parade, is there a strong foreboding that no one !?

Dodon think is coming.

[72jora72]

I’m wondering which of the leaders will come to our parade, is there a strong foreboding that no one !?

And what's the problem?

[LSA57]

Quote: Mussashi

I’m wondering which of the leaders will come to our parade, is there a strong foreboding that no one !?

and cancel Victory Day? what kind of "leaders" are these?

[Siberian1965]

On the most important holiday of MY MOTHERLAND, and my personal main holiday, do not care who comes. This is my holiday, and the holiday of my country. The most important people in this holiday are those who remember and grieve, and this is evident from our IMMORTAL. Here they come to our holiday, and that pubic louse, which YOU call leaders. I personally would, if they decide to come to my holiday, send three letters at once at the airport. There is nothing for these corpse-eaters to do on a bright holiday in my Homeland.

[Denis Obukhov]

What is his brotherly place there? Fraternal - these are Russians living in / in Ukraine. And to all Galicians and Raguli, the Tambov wolf is a fraternal people.

[hhhhhhh]

a wolf for what? Tambovsky.

[ZVO]

As a resident of the Samara region - I can say this:

1851-1928 - Samara province;
1928-1929 - Middle Volga region;
1929-1935 - The Middle Volga region;
1935-1936 - Kuibyshev region;
1936-1991 - Kuibyshev region.

Something is not beating - "Samara Region"

[Kot_Kuzya]

Ha ha :)))). Right. In 1946, Samara was called Kuibyshev, and the region, respectively, was Kuibyshev. Again the pots on a lie burned. Well stupid-ee-ee :))))).

[The Siberian barber]

You don’t understand anything!))
He has a HELP !!

[Shaber]

He was born in 1909, if I am not mistaken, so it is the Samara region.

[patsak]

The answer is not correct. or Samara province or Kuibyshev region. The certificate is from 20.08.1946/XNUMX/XNUMX. So there could not be a Samara region.

[reservist]

place of birth is spelled as it was called in the year of birth
it turns out that the head of the 3rd department, who wrote "reg.", was mistaken instead of the "province"

[Kot_Kuzya]

Then there were provinces, not regions.

[72jora72]

He was born in 1909, if I am not mistaken, so it is the Samara region.

Sorry, but in the Russian Empire was not Samara region.

[KVashentcev]

I have a grandfather’s officer ID card (Code of Criminal Procedure, completed in 1942), which states that he is a native of the Smolensk region. Grandfather was born in 1910. The provinces were canceled, they wrote the area so that everyone could understand.

[Sigizbarn]

I do not know about the province or region, but the print is a remake. Take a look at the fonts.

[figwam]

Quote: Shaber

He was born in 1909, if I am not mistaken, so it is the Samara region.

When the king of the province were.

[soldatt22]

Well ........ On whose side was Marina's grandfather? Saucepan, you are no longer listed in Russia, you are ugly pan-head!

[Kot_Kuzya]

Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation

Ugh! Traitors! Who do they want to make peace with? With Hitler's executioners and sixes, what were Bender and his punishers?
For the sake of justice, I add that Ukrainians really have little to do with the Victory over Nazism. All of Ukraine was occupied by the Germans in the fall of 1941, and the most difficult period of the USSR fought without Ukraine. Victories near Moscow, Stalingrad and the Kursk Bulge were won when the Ukrainian SSR was under the fifth of the Germans, and therefore, Ukrainians could not be drafted into the army and work in factories and fields for the front, producing weapons, equipment and bread for the army. On the contrary, Ukrainians sowed bread and worked in factories for the Nazis, as well as hundreds of thousands were recruited to work in Germany, so that the peasant Kurt or the worker Hans could call to the front, and this Kurt and Hans was replaced by a Ukrainian ostarbeiter at the machine or in the fields.

[aleks_29296]

For the sake of justice, I add that Ukrainians really have little to do with the Victory over Nazism.

Well, it’s you, my friend, who got excited. So to argue, Belarusians also have little to do with Victory, because The Byelorussian SSR was also occupied. And there, you look, and you can get to the rest. Almost the entire European part of the USSR was occupied, and so what?

[Kot_Kuzya]

The Belarusians were partisan, and not recruited into punitive battalions and SS divisions, and did not jump hundreds of thousands for recruiting for work in Germany.

[KVashentcev]

Pick up a history book and re-read. Better in publication until 1991. Recently, in the books they managed to inspire, intentionally or out of idiocy it is not clear. Your statement is a consequence of the enthusiasm for Facebook short phrases, proofs and checks that users of this rubbish do not require.

[Kot_Kuzya]

And what's so unclear? Was Ukraine fully occupied in the fall of 1941? It was. When did they start releasing her? In August 1943, and completely cleared of German evil spirits only in May 1944. So one wonders how Ukrainians, under German occupation, could help the USSR with their conscripts in the army, work in fields and factories to provide the front with bread, equipment and weapons? On the contrary, the Nazis sucked out everything they could from Ukraine, millions of Ukrainians worked for the invaders, and hundreds of thousands were hired by ostarbaiters to work in Germany, plus tens of thousands more were recruited to the SS Galichina division, to various punitive battalions and guards of concentration camps and simply to police . So here it is still necessary to calculate who the Ukrainians helped more - Germany or the USSR.

[Former Russian]

I wrote to you below, but you did not bother to read the comments of your opponents on the dialogue! I’ll write you here again because I believe that information is perceived by patients only through constant repetition.
And so, on June 22, 1941, Germany attacked the USSR, a large-scale evacuation of production from the Ukrainian SSR to the rear (in the RSFSR, the Urals) began along with personnel (workers, engineers, etc.), and so upon arrival at new places, the plants started to build roughly from scratch and as soon as the machines were installed (in the open air), they immediately began work on the production of the necessary products ("Everything for the front - everything for victory!") and the evacuated people worked there, who were brought along with the factories and such a Makar contributed to the rear! The appeal of 1940-41, served at the time the war began in the army and there were people from all over the USSR, including not a small number of Ukrainians, so a contribution was made to the victory on the fronts! In the occupied territories of the USSR, partisan units fought (they consisted of the local population, partisan workers (specially left over) and soldiers surrounded by the retreat of the Red Army, but those who could not break through to their own), partisan units were in the BSSR, the Ukrainian SSR, Crimea, the Baltic, etc., of which they consisted, I already wrote above! So if you have even a little brain, then read at least about Kovpak’s connection, about his raid into the rear of the Germans, about the operation to disrupt the transfer of Wehrmacht troops from Europe to Stalingrad, which at that time were very necessary for the Hans units! And you read only the manuals probably on the history of YOU from the big bell tower, on the grandfathers and fathers of YOU in the same way, YOU just have to insult, naughty and sow seeds of enmity between people!

[reservist]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

... Ukrainians really have little to do with the Victory over Nazism

I reread the “award” Order No. 031 / n of December 20, 1943 for the 328th Infantry Division and found in it the following names of my grandfather’s fellow soldiers:
Red Armyman TKACHENKO N.I. - Order of Glory III Degree
Lieutenant MAKHNO A.A. - Order of the Red Star
Lieutenant MERNY A.Ya. - Order of the Red Star
Corporal STARODUB GZ - Order of the Red Star
junior lieutenant UKRAINIAN D.G. - Order of the Red Star
Corporal Gorbachevsky M.M. - Medal of Honor"
junior lieutenant GLUSHKO P.E. - Medal of Honor"
Red Armyman KOVALENKO A.E. - Medal of Honor"
Red Army PASKO N.M. - Medal of Honor"
Junior Sergeant A. Ruzhansky - Medal of Honor"
In total, 26 people were awarded under this order.

[Kot_Kuzya]

It is foolish to judge nationality by last name. Timchenko and Khristenko are Ukrainians? But Brezhnev, Khrushchev, Turchinov Ukrainians.

[reservist]

someone can be called ethnic Ukrainian, someone ethnic Russian ...
I think that in the 43rd year of those and others in the 328th Infantry Division there were about the same amount
and in many areas of Russia and Ukraine, the division into Russian and Ukrainians is quite arbitrary, in the same Kuban the descendants of the Cossacks of the Black Sea troops, who will we consider to be Russian or Ukrainian?

[Kot_Kuzya]

I think that in the 43rd year of those and others in the 328th Infantry Division there were about the same amount

Why should the Ukrainians be 50% in this division? This division was formed in Buinaksk and Beslan. Is there half the population of Ukrainians?

and in many areas of Russia and Ukraine, the division into Russian and Ukrainians is quite arbitrary, in the same Kuban the descendants of the Cossacks of the Black Sea troops, who will we consider to be Russian or Ukrainian?

There is a division, and it is very clear. There is no one who does not know who he is: Russian or Ukrainian. But there are no Cossacks now, as a class they were destroyed during the Civil War, the Red Terror and gossip, as they were the same parasites as nobles and fists. The present Cossacks are mummers who have nothing to do with the pre-revolutionary Cossacks.

[reservist]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Why should the Ukrainians be 50% in this division?

we are talking about ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, just about the same number

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

This division was formed in Buinaksk and Beslan.

and how many of the personnel of the rifle regiment 1103, completed before December 43rd?

from wikipedia:

Not having completed its formation, on August 11.08.1942, 22.08.1942, the division entered the city of Vagharshapad, Armenian SSR. Along the way, she received a new appointment - to arrive in the city of Buinaksk by XNUMX, where the division was located in the villages of Buglen, Atlanaul, Lower and Upper Dzhengutai, Kazanishche. The composition of the division along with conscripts and war veterans from hospitals included cadets of the Makhachkala and Telavsky infantry schools.

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

But there are no Cossacks now

there are no Cossacks as a class, but their descendants are

[Kot_Kuzya]

and how many of the personnel of the rifle regiment 1103, completed before December 43rd?

But is it really that Ukraine in 1942-1943 was in the Urals and was not occupied by the Germans? Therefore, in your opinion, were Ukrainians actively called in 1942-1943? Of course, I understand your desire to whitewash the Ukrainians and show them as active fighters against Hitler, who contributed to the victory of the USSR over him along with the Russians. But for your information, the Russians in the Red Army during the war were about 80%, this is counting with Belarusians, Kazakhs, the peoples of Central Asia, Caucasians and peoples of the RSFSR like Tatars, Yakuts, Buryats, etc. Ukrainians in the Red Army did not have 50% of its composition. That is, in your opinion, there were more Ukrainians in the Red Army than Russians? Are you likened to the Maydan who insist that the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Ukrainian fronts consisted entirely of Ukrainians?

[reservist]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

really Ukraine in 1942 - 1943 was in the Urals

those. in Ukraine there was no conscription in 41, 44-45?

... Russians in the Red Army during the war were about 80%
...
Are you likened to the Maydan who insist that the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Ukrainian fronts consisted entirely of Ukrainians?

Look in the mirror, you will see the same maydanuty, only painted in the colors of our flag ...

[Kot_Kuzya]

and how many of the personnel of the rifle regiment 1103, completed before December 43rd?

And what have 41 and 44 years to do with it, if the division was formed in 1942, and you wrote about the history of the division until December 1943?
And your flag is clearly bicolor, not tricolor.

[reservist]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

The division was formed in 1942, and you wrote about the history of the division until December 1943?

re-read the history of the division, it was replenished (including at the formation stage) by front-line soldiers from hospitals
and more than a year of fighting, its composition could change more than once ...

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

And your flag is clearly bicolor, not tricolor.

then your flag will be like that ...

[January]

The descendants of the Cossacks of the Black Sea (formerly Zaporizhzhya) troops can even be considered Georgians. Because any Orthodox, regardless of nationality, was accepted into it, free (not a serf or a peasant "buckwheat") and a man capable of military service. The concept of Cossacks cannot be defined on a national basis.

[Borders]

I hardly understand you .. Do you really believe that among the Ukrainians who fought on the Great Patriotic War there were no Heroes like those among the Russians?

[Former Russian]

Are you a cat? And those who were called in 1940-41? Two grandfathers fought with me, one died in 1942! Two grandmothers were driven to Germany in the conc. camps! And you are talking nonsense and provoke people! If you are not in the know, here’s what I can tell you: Heroes of the Union from the Ukrainian SSR - 2000 people, didn’t they contribute to the VICTORY? And those who evacuated with the factories to the Urals, who are they? They worked for the good of the country, and among them there were many children, women who stood at the machines! And the Kovpak partisan formation? Kovpak through the Black Forest, on orders from the center, went to Europe and carried out diversion work in the rear of the Germans, because of which the Germans could not transfer the necessary units to Stalingrad! Are you talking nonsense? Learn the mat. part, and then you will say something!

[Kot_Kuzya]

It was a minuscule. It is no secret that the Soviet Union and the Ukrainians indulged the USSR in every possible way, since both Khrushchev and Brezhnev were Ukrainians, called Ukraine "the breadbasket and the nurse," in every possible way extolled and praised the Ukrainians, and at the same time hid a lot of Ukrainians against Hitler during the war. As a result, Ukrainians began to consider themselves a special, exclusive nation, feeding the entire Union, and Russians began to be considered lazy, drunken savages with a Finno-Ugric cross.
And you probably remember how in 1990-1991 Ukrainians massively jumped for separation from the USSR, they believed that Moscow robbed them, and if they separated, they would heal better than Germans and French. And their secretary general Kravchuk, rotten, indulged in every way:

[Former Russian]

And what do you want to prove by this? Your stupidity? So you have already shown it in all its glory, don’t go any further! And who was in the army of Vlasov? What nationalities were there? Then from your words it turns out that all nationalities who were in the army of Vlasov are the same traitors !!! You are stupid and probably do not understand that traitors as well as terrorists do not have a nationality - they are simply traitors to the homeland and their people! So the cat again you sat in a puddle and nabzdel! Yes, about 1990-1991, but in Russia no one was jumping for the collapse of the union, and in Moscow they didn’t hit tanks directly in parliament in Moscow? Although probably you do not remember this because you were too small for awareness and perception of reality!

[Kot_Kuzya]

In the Vlasov Army, there were about 120 thousand people, most of course, were Russians, but there were many Ukrainians. The ROA received baptism of fire on February 9, 1945 on the Oder, and on March 28 it was already transferred to Bohemia, the present Czech Republic, as it proved unstable, where the Vlasovites ran across to the side of the Red Army, where it grumbled until May 9. So the ROA fought against the Red Army for a month and a half. And how many years did the Ukrainian units fight against the Red Army? And how many people were in them? About 80 thousand Ukrainians passed through the SS "Galicia" division alone! A little less ROA! And how many more Ukrainians served in punitive battalions, guards in concentration camps and just policemen?

Yes, about 1990-1991, but in Russia no one was jumping for the collapse of the union, and in Moscow they didn’t hit tanks directly in parliament in Moscow? Although probably you do not remember this because you were too small for awareness and perception of reality!

Actually, firstly, they beat on the Government House, and not on the Parliament building (and indeed, we have two parliaments: Upper and Lower), and secondly, it was in October 1993, and there it was not the people who rode, but there was a fight between Yeltsin and Rutsky for power. Apparently, you yourself are young and do not remember these events.

[Former Russian]

As I understand it, your installation is to pour mud on all Ukrainians, despite their views, worldview, etc.! I feel sorry for you, the money doesn't smell yes cat

[Kot_Kuzya]

Nobody pays me money, I just know the Ukrainians very well and their essence and mentality. And I will never call the Ukrainians fraternal people, they are the same enemies as the Poles.

[Former Russian]

You are a sick person, you need to be treated, otherwise there is only one step from hatred to insanity!
My grandfather fought for the USSR, the second died for the USSR! Two grandmothers in a concentration camp rotted, then raised together the USSR! My mother worked all her life on Samotlor since 1973, I lived in the USSR and the Russian Federation for most of my life, my relatives are now working in the oil and gas industry in the North, and what do you want to say to me “non-brother”? Yes, all of you are not brothers, neither Belarusians, nor Ukrainians, nor Armenians, nor Chechens, nor Dagestanis, nor Chukchi, so maybe you're just sick or you're just not Russian? Or maybe you're just offended by life? I go to friends in the Russian Federation and not a single normal person carries such nonsense as you are here! Hidden behind the monitor and broadcasting all kinds of rubbish on the air, you provoke people! People have already written a lot of things to you, and they even threw off the composition of the Red Army by nationality, and you are pecking the same thing like a woodpecker! Those like you are raguli on whom you pour your anger here, exactly the same with one gyrus in your head! The USSR won thanks to the entire Soviet people, all nationalities and religions! So all the trollins are shabby arividerchi!

[Kot_Kuzya]

My relatives are now working in the oil and gas industry in the North, and what do you want to say "non-brother" to me?

Yes, I want to tell you, nebrat, that just the Ukrainians in the USSR occupied the warmest money places, and even now they occupy, but already less, thank God, in many enterprises they accept only Russian citizens. By the way, Kolya Desyatnichenko, who pities Nazi Germany soldiers who died in the USSR, is not your relative by chance? Urengoy is the capital of the gas industry. As in the army they joked, “What a crest without baststicks!”, That is, they joked about the servility of Ukrainians, by any means getting at least corporal stalls. Before that, the officers humiliated themselves in obedience, that it was already sickening to look at it. Or as they say, "When a crest was born, a Jew cried." Jews are far from your national identity to climb up and occupy the warmest places. Half of the leadership of Gazprom, Rosneft, Nornickel, Alrosa, etc. they are Ukrainians, despite the fact that the share of Ukrainians in the population of Russia is less than one and a half percent. The same Khrushchev, for example, was a clown and a clown for Stalin, at the dacha of Stalin, at a solemn party, he danced a hopak in front of the Politburo, no one took him seriously, lied to Stalin and Beria, and at the same time mortally hated them. And after the death of Stalin, betraying Beria, Malenkov and Bulgakov, with the help of his intrigues and Dubov Zhukov’s club, he stood at the top of power and began kicking and pouring mud on the dead lion.

[Borders]

and who will call the Russians fraternal people?

[January]

They say cats in the spring tear the roof. On you, my friend, this is felt especially strongly, even though spring is running out. By your logic, only those who are beyond the Volga have a relationship to victory over Nazism. From June 22, mass mobilization took place throughout the USSR, and millions of Ukrainian citizens went to the front. Partisan warfare in Ukraine and Belarus apparently also the Bashkirs and the Chuvash fought ......
He began ardently proving the stupidity of a feline statement, and then he remembered Mark Twain. "Never argue with idiots. You will go down to their level where they will crush you with their experience ...."

[Kot_Kuzya]

Well, actually, someone who is more or less familiar with history and reading documents, and not fiction, knows that the partisan detachments created saboteurs thrown by airplanes from the RSFSR, as well as agents who had been specially trained in advance behind enemy lines and regularly delivered them to the partisans by airplanes weapons, ammunition, explosives and products, etc. The center also gave them combat missions, not without reason in each partisan detachment was a radio operator. Or do you think that partisan detachments created simple townsfolk and they received weapons by killing the Germans, and the local population supplied them with products? How naive you are! The partisan movement is impossible without outside support, to think that the partisans took weapons from the Germans as a trophy is as stupid as to think that in the war the regular army will be supplied with weapons from the enemy, and to imagine that the partisans supplied the local population with food is also stupid. At that time, peasants lived half-starving, in addition, there were informers in every village who immediately reported to the Germans if they noticed that some of the villagers were carrying groceries into the forest. Those "partisans" who, on the pretext of fighting the Germans, began to requisition the products from the villagers, the Germans themselves handed over to the Germans, because they were no different from ordinary bandits. On the contrary, the Soviet partisans, supplied by the Center, took food from the local population only on a voluntary basis, and it is ridiculous to assume that a village with a population of 200-300 people can feed a detachment of 50-100 people with subsistence farming, this is impossible in principle. In the Middle Ages, when the nobility was fed at the expense of peasants, the number of nobles was about 2%, that is, 1 nobleman fed as many as 50 peasants, this counting infants, children and feeble old people! Always in the first place you need to think about the economics of the process, and not enthusiastically listen to fiction. The same Kovpak was a participant in the Civil War, a communist, an assistant to the military commissar, chairman of the city executive committee, that is, not a simple layman, and he remained behind enemy lines as an agent precisely on the instructions of the Party.

[Kot_Kuzya]

In the USSR, the role of the Center in the partisan movement was hushed up so that the reader had the impression that the partisan movement was popular and spontaneous. Although if you read between the lines, you can see that the commanders of the partisan detachments are all experienced combat commanders (take the same Dmitry Medvedev or agent Nikolai Kuznetsov), that U-2 constantly flew to them, supplied them with weapons, food, ammunition and explosives, they supplied replenishment and took out the wounded (for example, Maresyev was taken out this way)

For several days the collective farmers looked after Maresyev. Medical assistance was needed, but there was no doctor in the village. In early May, a plane manned by A. N. Dekhtyarenko landed near the village, and Maresyev was sent to Moscow to the hospital.

Surely in a forgotten village of God accidentally landed U-2 and took out a wounded pilot? Do you believe it yourself? Do planes often land in our wilderness in villages? Moreover, during the war, all planes were engaged in combat operations. The partisans also performed combat missions assigned to them by the Center, to take the same famous "Rail War".

[Polite Moose]

If the blessed memory of Nadezhdin Nikolai Lukich knew who his granddaughter would marry, he would last wish that

find the burial place as soon as possible. We are looking further ...

.

[Lyutoyar R.]

Quote: ZVO

As a resident of the Samara region - I can say this:

1851-1928 - Samara province;
1928-1929 - Middle Volga region;
1929-1935 - The Middle Volga region;
1935-1936 - Kuibyshev region;
1936-1991 - Kuibyshev region.

Something is not beating - "Samara Region"

Everything is right here. In 1909 this was the Samara province. He was born just in her.

[Shaitan_by]

on the photo of the document "Samara reg."
until 1928 it was "Samara province", and in 1943 the Kuibyshev region"

The authenticity of the document is in doubt.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Shaitan_by

The authenticity of the document is in doubt.

Maybe the clerk’s hand didn’t rise to write - the province, replaced with the already familiar region?
But, in general, the certificate is quite real.

[Sands Careers General]

Help can be real, but the data could well have been entered later.
For example a week ago.
And in Photoshop in general, from scratch, you can draw in a way that can not be distinguished from the real one.

[Masya masya]

the president of Ukraine, meanwhile, shared with Ukrainians information that his wife Marina found the data.

something is somehow not comfortable in such a neighborhood ... in no case didn’t want to offend her grandfather ...

[PalBor]

And the divorces on the notice - are Petenkin tears combustible?
Apparently already reached the stage of "drunken sentimentality"

[Abram]

Well, not congratulated and did not congratulate. It is like a fifth leg to a dog. Will survive

[Dormidont]

every valtsman can offend everyone

[KVashentcev]

He is not a local artist, he will write and leave ... :)

[LVMI1980]

In Kiev, the Fascist regime and no one will convince me otherwise

[Retvizan 8]

Red Army soldier Nadezhdin Nikolay ...
Bah, he fought on the side of the Soviet "acupation" army!
Poros, shame on you!
Bandera ideals violated!
Giving, for the sake of restoring justice, your spouse on the Gilyak ?!

[viktor.]

This ghoul does not even respect his relatives, he would have shut his mouth, the deceased grandfather would have slammed him without thinking!

[Lexa-149]

By the way, did he congratulate Mongolia on Victory Day? The Mongols made a huge and invaluable contribution to our victory.

[rammjager]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

The Belarusians were partisan, and not recruited into punitive battalions and SS divisions, and did not jump hundreds of thousands for recruiting for work in Germany.

But what about the connections of Kovpak and Medvedev in Ukraine? And does the Lokot Republic not tell you anything?

[Former Russian]

Glory good afternoon! You can’t prove anything like this shabby cat, because they do not know the history of the Second World War, nor want to read, etc. They can only throw their ficalia at the fan and think that they are the most intelligent! With the upcoming HOLIDAY OF VICTORY of all!

[Tanya]

Quote: AlexVas44

Quote: Shaitan_by

The authenticity of the document is in doubt.

Maybe the clerk’s hand didn’t rise to write - the province, replaced with the already familiar region?
But, in general, the certificate is quite real.

You are right, this is the incorrect work of the clerk.
Here is a document from the site "Memory of the people":

[Incvizitor]

Well, in the latter, fascism won so far with nothing to congratulate, only after the second liberation.

[Vadim Sh.]

So this is the grandfather of the wife of this Zhid scum, the eternal memory of his grandfather and not washed away SHAME PARASH.

[Antares]

Recall that Ukraine does not celebrate Victory Day, but "the day of memory and reconciliation."

Well, for news, it will do for VO, since there are few Ukrainians left here.
On April 9, 2015, the Verkhovna Rada adopted the law "On perpetuating the victory over Nazism in the Second World War of 1939-1945." Now, May 8 is the Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation, and 9 is the day of victory over Nazism.
Well, the author probably confused with

On November 22, 2004, the UN General Assembly proclaimed May 8 and 9 as “days of remembrance and reconciliation” and proposed “marking one of these days or both of these days as a tribute to all the victims of World War II”.

[Hungary]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation

Ugh! Traitors! Who do they want to make peace with? With Hitler's executioners and sixes, what were Bender and his punishers?
For the sake of justice, I add that Ukrainians really have little to do with the Victory over Nazism. All of Ukraine was occupied by the Germans in the fall of 1941, and the most difficult period of the USSR fought without Ukraine. Victories near Moscow, Stalingrad and the Kursk Bulge were won when the Ukrainian SSR was under the fifth of the Germans, and therefore, Ukrainians could not be drafted into the army and work in factories and fields for the front, producing weapons, equipment and bread for the army. On the contrary, Ukrainians sowed bread and worked in factories for the Nazis, as well as hundreds of thousands were recruited to work in Germany, so that the peasant Kurt or the worker Hans could call to the front, and this Kurt and Hans was replaced by a Ukrainian ostarbeiter at the machine or in the fields.

Lord, there’s no brain at all to write such nonsense?

[Antares]

Quote: Wengr

Lord, there’s no brain at all to write such nonsense?

Now it’s not just nonsense. In a couple of years they will say that Ukraine as part of the Reich (voluntarily entered from 1941, having betrayed Russia and destroying the entire personnel army with a blow to the rear)
fought with Russia. Lists of Ukrainians in the Red Army say something Russian, the heroes of the USSR, were all Russian. Do you think only on one side destroy memory? No, from two. With the light hand of someone about the RSFSR, it would have won the war without the USSR and the BSSR itself.

[Kot_Kuzya]

And what is the lie written?

[Former Russian]

You wrote nonsense! Traitors were Ukrainians, and Russians, and Tatars, and Chechens, and all the nationalities of the USSR! Among any nation there are always traitors! I don’t want to be like YOU on such a day, but if I need you, I will throw out the lists of Vlasov’s army and read who and where, and where, and how he fought, maybe this will be a revelation for you? Maybe you will start to think what to write !? Although you could be - these are two different things, as I understand it!

[Kot_Kuzya]

This is a banal truth. Every nation has traitors, even there were Jews who zealously served the Nazis. But the fact that it was the Baltic states and Ukrainians among the peoples of the USSR who voluntarily served the Nazis is a fact. And you will never wash off of it! Now is not the Soviet time, when the punishers who burned Khatyn were bashfully called "fascists" rather than "Ukrainians", and in general Ukrainian cooperation was hushed up for fear of offending the "brotherly people." Your maidan has finally revealed an abscess, and all your Nazi pus has burst out, revealing your true essence. All these 5 years of insults, lies and pouring dirt on us Ukrainians were not in vain, this is not forgotten and not forgiven! You were previously nationally preoccupied, but it was from 2013 that it became obvious and openly even blind, who previously believed in the "fraternal" of the Ukrainian people.

[Former Russian]

Of course, of course, Buryats, Chechens, and Dagestanis, and all but the Russians will be enemies for people like you soon!

[Natalia777]

Judas Poroshenko sold the memory of his grandfather. Now the country is ruled by the Nazis with whom his grandfather fought and died. Poroshenko's cynicism has no limits.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

President Putin VV, of course, was the first, but if I repeat, I think it will not be superfluous, I congratulate the peoples of the fraternal Soviet republics on our common Victory Day

[kartalovkolya]

The Lord our God, if he wants to punish someone, deprives him of his mind! ... what else can I talk about ...

[Svetoslav Połocka]

He caught my eye on Poroshenko's certificate: Samara region. The Kuibyshev region became the Samara region somewhere in the period of the 90s after the massive renaming. The certificate was issued not in the 90s. My grandfather was called up by the Kuibyshev RVC ... Some kind of fake reference ...

[master2]

I think they are not very upset!