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Ka-xnumx crashed in Syria. The pilots died

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The information about the crash of the Ka-52 Russian helicopter in Syria has been confirmed. The helicopter crashed the day before in the eastern part of the Syrian Arab Republic. This was reported in the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Both pilots died. According to the latest information, their bodies were delivered to the Khmeimim airbase.

This information was published the night before at one of the air forums. However, it was soon removed from publication.

Ka-xnumx crashed in Syria. The pilots died


The official version of the collapse of the Ka-52 is a technical failure. From the message of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:
According to preliminary information, the cause of the incident could be a technical malfunction.


However edition "Kommersant" writes that the helicopter was shot down during a patrol in the east of the country, where the troops of the so-called American coalition and the militants supported by it take their positions. The material stated that the attack on the Ka-52 was carried out using MANPADS.
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  1. Poll_0
    Poll_0 8 May 2018 05: 40
    +58
    Good memory to the pilots.

    Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 8 May 2018 05: 55
      +30
      Condolences to the families of pilots.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 8 May 2018 06: 18
      +32
      "Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us. A blessed memory to pilots.
      Quote: Poll_0
      Good memory to the pilots.

      Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.
      1. Don
        Don 8 May 2018 07: 03
        +40
        Condolences to the family of the dead
        Quote: 210ox
        "Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us

        And in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication, not a couple of the vast majority of others.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 07: 11
          +26
          Quote: Donskoy
          in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication

          You are wrong.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 07: 26
            +26
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            You are wrong.

            Based on what did you conclude about his error? The secret for you is that the official media often ..... um, they cheat? However, all the media are lying, and the information needs to be checked.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 07: 37
              +11
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Based on what did you conclude about his error?

              Based on experience.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              the official media often ..... um, they cheat?

              You yourself answered:
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              lied to all the media

              Are you bored? Pet the cat, don’t contact me, not up to you stop
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 07: 41
                +20
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Based on experience

                Own experience, and he is different for everyone. Some are experienced in trolling. wink
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                You answered yourself

                You did not understand Kees - the keyword is OFFICIAL! good
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Pet cat

                Dead in the winter. request
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 07: 46
                  +7
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Some are experienced in trolling.

                  You flatter yourself. You are not even an apprentice.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Keyword - OFFICIAL

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  lied to all the media

                  The "all" includes the official too, no?
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Kisa

                  Osia yes
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 07: 52
                    +15
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    You flatter yourself. You are not even an apprentice.

                    But you are a master of the hundredth level! good I am up to you, as to China .... sideways! laughing
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    The "all" includes the official too, no?

                    About everything there was an amendment. wink
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 07: 57
                      +5
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I am up to you, as to China .... side

                      Yes. And not only in the matter of kicking, ahem ... offended in the internet.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      About everything there was an amendment

                      One more time:
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      The "all" includes the official too, no?
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 08: 03
                        +14
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Yes. And not only in the matter of kicking, ahem ... offended in the internet

                        Are you still an offended specialist? belay Then your passion for geese, roosters and hamsters is understood! wassat
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        One more time:

                        The "All" includes ALL Kitty. It is strange that a person who positions himself smarter than most has to explain elementary things. request
                2. Pollux
                  Pollux 8 May 2018 20: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  You did not understand Kees - the keyword is OFFICIAL!

                  Do you seriously think that unofficial people don’t lie?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 20: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Pollux
                    Do you seriously think that unofficial people don’t lie?

                    I wrote -
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    However, all the media are lying, and the information needs to be checked.
                    1. Pollux
                      Pollux 8 May 2018 21: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      However, all the media are lying, and the information needs to be checked.

                      How so?
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 21: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Pollux
                        How so?

                        In parallel in all media and on the internet.
            2. NEOZ
              NEOZ 8 May 2018 12: 22
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Based on what did you conclude about his error?

              why the same question does not arise for you regarding this statement:
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication
              ?????
          2. 1skuns1
            1skuns1 8 May 2018 08: 37
            +7
            ahha ... YOU ARE MISLEADED ... iron argument ... add more WITH A GREATER PROBABILITY, and arguing is almost useless
        2. konstantin68
          konstantin68 8 May 2018 07: 17
          +4
          As serious and knowledgeable as you are. Do not pee for an hour from there?
        3. Doronkabilio
          Doronkabilio 8 May 2018 07: 31
          +16
          Something is amiss in the Danish kingdom, however ...
        4. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 8 May 2018 08: 32
          +18
          Quote: Donskoy
          Condolences to the family of the dead
          Quote: 210ox
          "Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us

          And in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication, not a couple of the vast majority of others.

          In addition, it seems to me that our MO is cunning. Since if they recognized the attack, they would have to give an answer, and there are our partners. Therefore, I begin to trust the merchant more than our officials. Well, if Putin spat in the face of almost 80% of the people, what can we say about the rest!
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 8 May 2018 09: 53
            +5
            Quote: Oleg147741
            In addition, it seems to me that our MO is cunning. Since if they recognized the attack, they would have to give an answer, and there are our partners. Therefore, I begin to trust the merchant more than our officials. Well, if Putin spat in the face of almost 80% of the people, what can we say about the rest!

            With language removed.
          2. Pollux
            Pollux 8 May 2018 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: Oleg147741
            Therefore, I begin to trust the merchant more than our officials.

            Believing in the enemy media is your personal choice.
      2. Stas Snezhin
        Stas Snezhin 8 May 2018 07: 11
        +13
        However, Kommersant writes

        According to unconfirmed data, All working in Kommersant - non-traditional sexual orientation persons.
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 8 May 2018 08: 34
          +16
          Quote: Stas Snezhin
          However, Kommersant writes

          According to unconfirmed data, All working in Kommersant - non-traditional sexual orientation persons.

          Have they checked everyone? And how, a reliable way?
          1. Stas Snezhin
            Stas Snezhin 8 May 2018 10: 54
            +2
            Quote: Oleg147741
            Have they checked everyone? And how, a reliable way?

            Defend your own? Well, well, there have been a lot of you like that lately ..
        2. Lynx33
          Lynx33 8 May 2018 13: 08
          0
          Who reads such nastiness also of the wrong sexual orientation, they usually love the brain ..., their own and those around them wassat
      3. I am Russian
        I am Russian 8 May 2018 07: 16
        +37
        By the way, Kommersant has never once given news that would not have been confirmed about the incident with our forces in Syria. So do not drive them.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 8 May 2018 11: 55
          +2
          Well, how can I say ... And the information about the raid on the airfield with supposedly a bunch of destroyed and damaged aircraft?
      4. Merold
        Merold 8 May 2018 07: 41
        +7
        Quote: 210ox
        "Kommersant" is also a garbage dump scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies.

        From what authoritative and truthful publication do you get the news, if not a secret?
      5. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 8 May 2018 07: 53
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        "Kommersant" is still garbage

        until recently, based on your materials, you discussed 71 downed tomahawk cruise missile in Syria
        pilots of the kingdom of heaven, relatives of condolences
      6. Wendigo
        Wendigo 8 May 2018 10: 12
        +10
        Quote: 210ox
        Kommersant "that still garbage news scooping up heating everywhere

        That is, he is telling the truth and in a timely manner he immediately dumps? If it weren’t for a comrade from MO you would have known this news at best in a week and even in a highly censored form.
        MO probably already doesn’t remember when the last time it was telling the truth. hi
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 10: 15
          +4
          Quote: Wendigo
          If it weren’t for a comrade from MO you would have known this news at best in a week ...

          , and it is right. As for me, so long ago it has been necessary to introduce censorship on such "news", and supporters like Kommersant - viciously fine and in general, in every possible way ... toad.
          Quote: Wendigo
          MO probably already doesn’t remember when the last time it was telling the truth

          MO, you see, does not exist at all to "tell the truth." You request
      7. tomket
        tomket 8 May 2018 10: 44
        +7
        Quote: 210ox
        "Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us. A blessed memory to pilots.

        Well, if the rest of the editions are bashfully erasing the news, so as not to overshadow the insider, then it only remains to receive information from the enemies.
    3. Titsen
      Titsen 8 May 2018 06: 20
      +30
      Quote: Poll_0
      Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.


      TU-154 - 92 people
      Su-24 - Human 2
      MiG-29 - cost
      Su-33 - cost
      An-26 - 39 people
      Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
      Ka-52 - 2 people

      Not often, but very often!

      It seems that they completely relaxed ....
      1. milling machine
        milling machine 8 May 2018 06: 24
        +8
        Quote: Titsen
        Quote: Poll_0
        Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.


        TU-154 - 92 people
        Su-24 - Human 2
        MiG-29 - cost
        Su-33 - cost
        An-26 - 39 people
        Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
        Ka-52 - 2 people

        Not often, but very often!

        It seems that they completely relaxed ....

        Forgot about mi 35
        1. Snakebyte
          Snakebyte 8 May 2018 07: 55
          +6
          Quote: frezer
          Forgot about mi 35

          And 2 more Mi-28N (one without casualties, the crew of the second died).
          1. figwam
            figwam 8 May 2018 09: 13
            +1
            More Turks Su-24m shot down -1 people.
          2. Voyager
            Voyager 8 May 2018 11: 56
            0
            I remember the Mi-28 with the victims, and the second when?
            1. Snakebyte
              Snakebyte 8 May 2018 13: 03
              0
              In October 2017, he accidentally sat down, there were no injuries.
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 8 May 2018 06: 31
        +5
        Quote: Titsen
        Quote: Poll_0
        Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.


        TU-154 - 92 people
        Su-24 - Human 2
        MiG-29 - cost
        Su-33 - cost
        An-26 - 39 people
        Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
        Ka-52 - 2 people

        Not often, but very often!

        It seems that they completely relaxed ....

        and is it all down?
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck 8 May 2018 14: 09
          +4
          Quote: LSA57
          and is it all down?

          sneaker from the sofa yes
      3. Filxnumx
        Filxnumx 8 May 2018 07: 04
        +6
        It seems that they completely relaxed ....
        Definitely! The Flight Safety Service of the Russian Federation in Syria does not catch flies, completely pohrah prophylaxis, but only deals with statistics, alas, sad. Safety rules in aviation have not yet been violated with impunity by anyone. Or began to "save" on lives?
        1. t-4
          t-4 8 May 2018 08: 28
          +6
          It seems that the infantry general commands the Air Force. Has anyone heard that the pilot after the academy was sent to command a tank regiment?
          Or was a sailor appointed to the position of commander of the Taman division, even with extensive experience in long-distance expeditions?
          Yes, this is just ridiculous! If it weren’t so sad.
          And to all the dead - eternal memory.
      4. konstantin68
        konstantin68 8 May 2018 07: 20
        +21
        Quote: Titsen
        Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird

        If the author thinks this is funny, then he is just a scoundrel!
      5. Tank hard
        Tank hard 8 May 2018 07: 53
        +10
        Still, this is war. Was there no loss in Vietnam, Angola, Korea, Afghanistan (the list goes on)? Even in exercises, shows are different losses. All this “running-in” of equipment and personnel in combat operations is unsafe. The enemy is also not simple, there are experienced and competent instructors, and the corresponding weapons.
        1. Kokarev Mikhail
          Kokarev Mikhail 8 May 2018 10: 03
          +1
          I agree! War is war. In the Soviet Army during the month of the exercises there were also not a few losses, but what is described, and with the vile support of the USA and Turkey, is even not bad. I hope only for our special services, so that they do not leave me unanswered. It’s necessary to teach the adversary unhappiness, alas, a modern war: not from a cannon direct fire, but all from a silence somehow.
          1. Wendigo
            Wendigo 8 May 2018 10: 18
            +4
            Quote: Kokarev Mikhail
            so as not to be left unanswered. The enemy must be trained

            And our belly button will not get loose by chance? Any answer will be answered on the other hand.
            I hope you obviously from whom the answers will be more painful.
            1. Kokarev Mikhail
              Kokarev Mikhail 8 May 2018 10: 41
              +2
              It’s not obvious that you wrote Andryushenka whom you mean. And so, and so you can understand! Probably still young, if you are not clearly expressing yourself.
            2. the lord
              the lord 12 May 2018 22: 18
              0
              There will be current from you. That's the principle of the answer, so that there was no desire to repeat. Look out for our PMCs avenged by SU-57 attacks on the gout, dozens of dozens of Ibonatovsky military experts there - now there is silence with this.
      6. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 8 May 2018 08: 36
        +8
        Quote: Titsen
        Quote: Poll_0
        Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.


        TU-154 - 92 people
        Su-24 - Human 2
        MiG-29 - cost
        Su-33 - cost
        An-26 - 39 people
        Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
        Ka-52 - 2 people

        Not often, but very often!

        It seems that they completely relaxed ....

        According to Tu 154, I still don’t believe (and I won’t believe) that these pilots were "lost" in space!
      7. Avis24
        Avis24 8 May 2018 08: 59
        +9
        In Afghanistan, even the official loss of 333 helicopters over 10 years. For the first Chechen 36 in 2 years. For the second Chechen from 7i to 13 per year. I believe that in Syria we are still very lucky with statistics.
        1. tforik
          tforik 8 May 2018 09: 18
          +2
          333 apparently this is taking into account Afghan cars. And the coalition’s loss is 105 vert, which in itself is also quite a bit! I’m even surprised.
      8. Dead duck
        Dead duck 8 May 2018 14: 12
        +4
        Quote: Titsen
        It seems that they completely relaxed ....

        just the sum of the factors request
        forget that now is not the time of the USSR.
        equipment, maintenance, control, people - put everything together and get the result.
    4. LSA57
      LSA57 8 May 2018 06: 29
      +4
      Quote: Poll_0
      Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft.

      and how often? when did the last fall and why?
    5. dSK
      dSK 8 May 2018 07: 50
      +3
      Quote: Poll_0
      Good memory to the pilots.

      Sincerely condolences to relatives and friends. hi
    6. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 8 May 2018 09: 20
      +2
      Rest in peace...
    7. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 8 May 2018 10: 51
      +2
      Quote: Poll_0
      Good memory to the pilots.

      Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

      And the perpetrators at least once answered or investigate, scold and forget.
  2. Terenin
    Terenin 8 May 2018 05: 41
    +12
    To our dead pilots - eternal memory and GLORY! And, without a doubt, the cause will be established. We must wait for the results of the commission.
  3. garnik
    garnik 8 May 2018 05: 44
    +5
    So shot down or due to a technical malfunction? In any case, condolences that something is not happening as we would like.
    1. konstantin68
      konstantin68 8 May 2018 07: 20
      +5
      Probably if they shot down, the bodies would not have time to evacuate so quickly.
  4. sleeve
    sleeve 8 May 2018 05: 44
    +5
    Everlasting memory. The war is on and takes its pay. With the frequency of field sorties that is present even now, statistics will be negative. And the words "not so much fell" are certainly inappropriate here. The reasons will be established, they will not be silent, this is not the situation. We’ll think about it there. I am confident that measures have already been taken in Syria.
    1. Alone
      Alone 8 May 2018 05: 59
      +13
      Quote: sleeve
      The reasons will be established, they will not be silent, this is not the situation.

      And if "our Western partners (more rudely can not be expressed about them here) knocked him down," do you think they will not keep silent?
      1. milling machine
        milling machine 8 May 2018 06: 22
        +26
        Quote: Alone
        Quote: sleeve
        The reasons will be established, they will not be silent, this is not the situation.

        And if "our Western partners (more rudely can not be expressed about them here) knocked him down," do you think they will not keep silent?

        It seems to me that they shot down. If those who shot down do not post the video, then the Ministry of Defense will until the last talk about a technical malfunction.
        There are two reasons: if the coalition is knocked down, then we need to answer, but we don’t have enough spirit (as was the case with the crumbled Wagnerites), the second reason is that our electronic warfare and helicopter protection systems do not work as we are told.
        I immediately recall the downed MI 35, about which our MO until the last claimed that it was the Syrian MI 24.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Bar1
          Bar1 8 May 2018 07: 01
          +8
          Quote: frezer
          It seems to me that they shot down. If those who shot down do not post the video, then the Ministry of Defense will until the last talk about a technical malfunction.


          or the pilots are to blame.

          Quote: frezer
          There are two reasons: if the coalition is knocked down, then we need to answer, but we don’t have enough spirit (as was the case with the crumbled Wagnerites), the second reason is that our electronic warfare and helicopter protection systems do not work as we are told.


          you can remember that 154 with the Aleksandrovtsy, even though the plane crumbled in the air, but the commission said it was overload.
          The equipment of our airplanes and helicopters with hibins is apparently in the state of a journalist showing one model, because there is no money, but you hold on.
          But now infa will float, our falcons began to brutally take revenge on the Basmachi.
          1. Berkut154
            Berkut154 8 May 2018 07: 38
            +7
            Why did he scatter in the air? Before the collision with the water surface, it was a technically sound aircraft.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 8 May 2018 08: 31
              +3
              Quote: Berkut154
              Why did he scatter in the air? Before the collision with the water surface, it was a technically sound aircraft.

              with the fact that they pulled out pieces of the plane.
              1. Berkut154
                Berkut154 8 May 2018 12: 03
                +3
                Not pieces but parts of the skin. This will happen with any aircraft when it hits the water.
        3. Mimoprohodil
          Mimoprohodil 8 May 2018 08: 50
          +3
          Quote: frezer
          I immediately recall the downed MI 35, about which our MO until the last claimed that it was the Syrian MI 24.

          Why to the last? This is now the official version
        4. Pollux
          Pollux 8 May 2018 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: frezer
          as was the case with the crumbled Wagnerites

          How do you think the English special forces are not an answer?
  5. alexnmv5
    alexnmv5 8 May 2018 05: 47
    +15
    Well then, it's time for the Americans to fall. And wherever these worms are.
    1. 100502
      100502 8 May 2018 05: 50
      +53
      The gut is thin in our darkest guarantor, suddenly the accounts of homies will be covered
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 8 May 2018 06: 00
        +17
        if shot down, shut up, so that the Americans do not quarrel by May 9
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 8 May 2018 06: 47
          +8
          Quote: Tlauicol
          if shot down, shut up,

          Mosh there? already said
          so as not to quarrel with the Americans on May 9

          generally nonsense. what a quarrel if we are at war with them ???? or we still do not "quarrel" with a bucket?
      2. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 8 May 2018 06: 43
        +12
        And the accounts of ...
      3. The comment was deleted.
        1. AVGUST
          AVGUST 8 May 2018 07: 17
          +15
          Dear, at the moment you even led me out with your deviant behavior, you yourself don’t think that your place is near the bucket, why are you rude to everyone?
          1. SPACE59
            SPACE59 8 May 2018 07: 50
            +8
            I will support your comment, too, an inadequate rudeness of a citizen was striking.
            1. AVGUST
              AVGUST 8 May 2018 07: 57
              +6
              Hold your paw, brother, I rarely get into the comments, I try only somehow on business, and not in order to at least somehow show myself, or to earn a plus, and this subject behaves like an upstart ignored at school, throwing sorry shit on the fan .....
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 07: 37
          +14
          Quote: LSA57
          with a small intestine do not become Presidents

          Medvedev was the same president, and Yeltsin, and Gorbachev. Did everyone have a colon? wink
          I’ll tell you a secret - everyone has a thick, like a small intestine, but here are coconuts ( wink ) everyone is different. laughing
          As a supporter of Putin, you want to ask a question - how do you like the composition of the new government? wink
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 8 May 2018 07: 43
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            As a supporter of Putin, you want to ask a question - how do you like the composition of the new government?

            is he already there? and whose supporter are you?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 07: 50
              +9
              Quote: LSA57
              is he already there?

              There is Google to help.
              Quote: LSA57
              and whose supporter are you?

              Russian people.
              1. Pollux
                Pollux 8 May 2018 20: 52
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Russian people.

                You lie, the Russian people chose Putin, and for this you hate both of them.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 20: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Pollux
                  You're lying

                  For that you are a fount of truth! laughing Vova personally introduced his team to you? laughing People like you are always bad boyars, but the king is golden. What does he surround himself with political excrement? wink
                  Quote: Pollux
                  Russian people chose Putin

                  For some reason, the highest percentages were in the Caucasus, from where the Russians were kicked out in the 90s. wink
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 21: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    For that you are a fount of truth

                    Osia, it’s bad for you to worry ...
                    * but
                    * truths
                    In three and a half words, two blunders ... ay-ay-ay request
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    forever bad boyars, but the king of gold

                    And you here, I heard, are going to Maidan? Well, hold the flag ... as my grandmother used to say:
                    Go, go ... there the wolves meet

                    And for some reason I don’t feel sorry for you at all ... Osia yes
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 21: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      In three and a half words, two blunders ... ay-ay-ay

                      Do you still care about the wrapper, not the contents? Then come to Tolyatti - we recently painted garbage bins, and painted cherries on them! wink (hint yourself guess, al prompt?)
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      And for some reason I’m not at all sorry for you.

                      Strong people do not need pity. good
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 8 May 2018 21: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Strong people do not need pity

                        Are you to yourself, or what? Yes, you only do that whining here is safe, that you have little money. I don’t understand in any way when and how do you manage to earn money (even this).
                        And you whine, yes ... strongly loud, that is, that is.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Are you still worried about the wrapper, not the contents?

                        Your contents are clearly visible through your own wrapper ... Osia request
                  2. Pollux
                    Pollux 8 May 2018 21: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    For people like you

                    You clearly see hostility towards the Russian peoples in general and towards the Russian president in particular.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    the boyars are bad, but the king is golden

                    People like me do not count on others, including the king and the boyars.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    What does he surround himself with political excrement?

                    To answer this claim, you must name the names of "political excrement".
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    For some reason, the highest percentages were in the Caucasus, from where the Russians were kicked out in the 90s.

                    What were you waiting for? Do not be weak - and no one can drive you away (give birth to more children).
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 8 May 2018 21: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Pollux
                      to the Russian people in general and to the Russian president in particular.

                      It is strange that you put an equal sign between the Russian people and Putin. For some reason, the “Russian” president cares more about other nationalities of our country.
                      Quote: Pollux
                      People like me do not count on others, including the king and the boyars.

                      Read the constitution - the state is obliged to take care of its citizens.
                      Quote: Pollux
                      To answer this claim, you must name the names of "political excrement".

                      See the composition of the former / new government.
                      Quote: Pollux
                      (give birth to more children).

                      Provide you help? wink You do not see children that you throw such slogans. And I have four.
                      1. Pollux
                        Pollux 8 May 2018 21: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        It is strange that you put an equal sign between the Russian people and Putin. For some reason, the “Russian” president cares more about other nationalities of our country.

                        Poor, poor Ingvar, nobody loves him, nobody cares about him !!! laughing Do you have more serious complaints besides some abstract “doesn't care”?
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Read the constitution - the state is obliged to take care of its citizens.

                        You decide there, you are for the constitution or against, and when you
                        not profitable - you shout "we must change, the Americans have imposed it on us", and when it is profitable shout "read the constitution."
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        See the composition of the former / new government.

                        Name Ingvar, NAME.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Provide you help? You do not see children that you throw such slogans.

                        Firstly, I have children.
                        Secondly - why should I provide for your children? Or why should the state do this?
      4. konstantin68
        konstantin68 8 May 2018 07: 22
        +2
        Quote: 100502
        The gut is thin in our darkest guarantor, suddenly the accounts of homies will be covered

        YOUR is really thin!
  6. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 8 May 2018 05: 49
    +2
    What an unhealthy tendency. Iron will be made, but people will not be returned! The earth rest in peace.
  7. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 8 May 2018 05: 51
    +4
    Condolences to the pilots and their families with friends.
    An interesting reason, given that not so long ago, two more pilots crashed on the Su-30.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 May 2018 06: 56
      +3
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      An interesting reason, given that not so long ago ...

      Explained so far this:
      The Ministry of Defense confirmed the fact of the disaster, but noted that, according to preliminary information, the car crashed due to a technical malfunction. “The search and rescue team delivered the bodies of the dead pilots to the airfield,” the department added. This is the seventh VKS helicopter loss since the start of the campaign in Syria and the first for the Ka-52.

      Machines of this type have been on combat duty on a rotational basis as part of the mixed air group of the Russian air forces at the 555th airbase in Khmeimim since March 2016, taking an active part both in the convoy convoys from the reconciliation center of the warring parties, and directly in military operations (for example, they liberated El Karyaytin point from the militants).

      Against the background of criticism of another helicopter - the Mi-28N, which Viktor Bondarev reproached the former VKS commander of the Russian Federation for "failed electronics" - the military considered the Ka-52 a de facto finished product. At least neither its guided (like "Attack") and uncontrolled (like S-80) missiles, nor the President-S electronic countermeasures system, nor the rest of the systems, questions were posed by representatives of the airborne forces.
  8. tlauicol
    tlauicol 8 May 2018 05: 52
    +11
    There is a catapult on Ka52. And the guys died ..
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 8 May 2018 06: 59
      +25
      Quote: Tlauicol
      There is a catapult on Ka52. And the guys died ..

      I will answer you as a helicopter pilot - the psychology of the helicopter pilot is such that until the very last he will try to land the car. As a rule, a helicopter leaves only when it is clear that this is impossible due to failure or damage, and if there is sufficient height. Again, we don’t know exactly what happened there - either a failure, or a shot down ...
      1. Avis24
        Avis24 8 May 2018 09: 14
        +1
        And in some situations, even if you really want to, you can’t jump out. Will spread across the cab from variable loads. Try to get up and go out in the amusement park with a children's carousel, and this is just a miserable semblance of when a couple of sections from the blade will be ripped out.
        1. helmi8
          helmi8 8 May 2018 09: 38
          +13
          Quote: Avis24
          when a couple of sections of the blade vomit.

          Nothing will happen ... I flew in Afghanistan and without three compartments in two blades (or rather, in one without two, in the other without three). Well, shook, but you can fly. wink Now, if the blade is torn off - then yes, such an imbalance will begin that you can’t do anything, even just stand up. Here you are right.
          1. Avis24
            Avis24 8 May 2018 12: 15
            0
            I forgot to clarify, a colleague, with a tail rotor. 26.01.1996/XNUMX/XNUMX Budenovsk, just part of the rotor blade was torn off. KE remained alive, ZS broken, as it turned out did not understand behind the cockpit.
    2. Beby
      Beby 8 May 2018 18: 22
      +1
      Quote: Tlauicol
      There is a catapult on Ka52. And the guys died ..
      It simply could not be enough time: before the bailout the meat grinder should be guaranteed to disappear above your head, .. and if the car began to fill up on its side, then the bailout will not work. Here is an example from the Mi-24:
      at 1:28 hit, at 1:30 the roll is already 90 degrees, and at 1:32 already in the ground ...
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 8 May 2018 20: 22
        +2
        Quote: Beby
        at 1:28 hit, at 1:30 the roll is already 90 degrees, and at 1:32 already in the ground ...

        What are we talking about ... We do not know what happened and how. We can only guess. A flight to WWI requires special attention. The slightest miscalculation - and a mouthful of earth, as we have said ...
  9. 100502
    100502 8 May 2018 05: 54
    +11
    If this is a technical failure, then why did the bailout system fail again?
    1. Ivan Tarava
      Ivan Tarava 8 May 2018 10: 40
      +2
      It can be specially turned off, so that in case of something not to be captured. After all, the Russian soldier does not give up.
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 8 May 2018 20: 28
        +2
        Quote: 100502
        If this is a technical failure, then why did the bailout system fail again?

        Quote: Ivan Tarava
        It can be specially turned off, so that in case of something not to be captured.

        The bailout system does not work automatically. It is necessary to bring it into action yourself ... A ... It may not work if safety checks are not pulled out of the squibs before the flight ...
        1. Archivist Vasya
          Archivist Vasya 28 May 2018 16: 05
          0
          But can’t you pull out a check during a flight? if not then what is the point of making a fuse in this way ...
          1. helmi8
            helmi8 28 May 2018 16: 09
            +1
            Quote: Archivist Vasya
            But can’t you pull out a check during a flight?

            The ejection chair is not a grenade, pulled out a check and drop it. Long to explain the design features, I will answer briefly - it is impossible.
  10. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 8 May 2018 06: 00
    +8
    However, Kommersant writes that the helicopter was shot down during patrols in the east of the country, where the troops of the so-called American coalition and the militants supported by it occupy their positions. The material stated that the attack on the Ka-52 was carried out using MANPADS.

    "Kommersant" rocking the boat "....
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 8 May 2018 08: 37
      +11
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      However, Kommersant writes that the helicopter was shot down during patrols in the east of the country, where the troops of the so-called American coalition and the militants supported by it occupy their positions. The material stated that the attack on the Ka-52 was carried out using MANPADS.

      "Kommersant" rocking the boat "....

      Putin is rocking the boat, appointing Medvedev to the post of prime minister!
      1. Antares
        Antares 8 May 2018 11: 05
        0
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Kommersant "rocking the boat" ....
        Putin is rocking the boat, appointing Medvedev to the post of prime minister!

        if you trace who appoints whom and sways, the people are to blame and he swings.
        This will not help the guys anymore, condolences to the family and friends.
        The reason is usually "assigned", let's see what the commission says. However, this is also not always accurate.
  11. ivselim
    ivselim 8 May 2018 06: 04
    +8
    Eternal memory to the pilots and condolences to relatives and friends.
  12. Mwg
    Mwg 8 May 2018 06: 10
    +6
    Land in peace flyers. Condolences to family and friends.
  13. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 8 May 2018 06: 20
    +1
    Condolences to the family. Pilots are very sorry. If they shot down from the MANPADS.? Does it seem that there is protection on all the machines? And if it’s still not a technical malfunction.? How do I decide to eject when the blades are rotating above you, I know that the blades should shoot. And if shooting It won’t work properly ... Some mysteries how and why it fell.
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 8 May 2018 07: 46
      +2
      Protection also needs to be applied. She is not a panacea for all ills, unfortunately ...
  14. nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 May 2018 06: 21
    +2
    Eternal memory and deep condolences to close relatives.
    I hope that the command will deal with all responsibility in the cause of death, which they performed on a foreign land
    your duty.
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 May 2018 06: 31
    +2
    Sincere condolences to the families of the victims.
    Kommersant, of course, is also the media, but the possibility of destroying a helicopter from the ground cannot be ruled out, although I want to believe the Moscow Region.
  16. daodejin
    daodejin 8 May 2018 06: 36
    +5
    Are there too many "technical failures" for military equipment?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 8 May 2018 07: 03
      +13
      Quote: daodejin
      Are there too many "technical failures" for military equipment?

      Eternal memory to pilots.
      PSThe more they fly, the more often they fall. In Israel, we also have accidents almost every year, and the pilots have the largest raid in the world. Technique is the technique.
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 8 May 2018 08: 39
        0
        ... and the pilots have the largest raid in the world.
        I apologize that my question is off-topic, but still, I’m curious to know What is the raid?
        The more they fly, the more often they fall ...... Technology is the technique .. The paradox is that according to the operating experience, the more often the equipment flies, the less often the equipment failures on it.
        1. Pollux
          Pollux 8 May 2018 20: 57
          0
          Quote: shura7782
          the more often the equipment flies, the less often equipment failures occur on it.

          There are fewer failures in percentage terms, and in absolute numbers - where they fly more and fall more often.
    2. Berkut154
      Berkut154 8 May 2018 07: 47
      +1
      Unfortunately, this all takes on a systemic character ..
      1. cedar
        cedar 8 May 2018 08: 21
        +2
        There is a war in Syria and if you notice it tends to escalate, so these victims, unfortunately, are far from the last. God rest their souls.
  17. Fitratovich
    Fitratovich 8 May 2018 06: 41
    0
    Only recently, the Su-30 is incomprehensible
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 8 May 2018 07: 48
      0
      Of course it’s not clear. Especially until now it is not clear who was sitting in the place of the second ...
  18. poplar in Kiev
    poplar in Kiev 8 May 2018 06: 42
    +4
    In general, 15 cars were lost. The whole squadron is not weak. Plus they were damaged by shelling the hemeini.
  19. Maz
    Maz 8 May 2018 06: 47
    +2
    Quote: Poll_0
    Good memory to the pilots.

    Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

    Oh, I don't like this sequence. Annushka, drying, now an alligator .... As if it had not grown into a pattern
  20. Dave36
    Dave36 8 May 2018 06: 52
    +2
    Any statistics with subsequent modernization is written in blood. Knocked down or not, no one will say, but if Black failed, there would already be a video. If at night, it’s rather our wonderful partners .. You won’t envy our commander in chief ... the military are people too ...
  21. Professor
    Professor 8 May 2018 07: 01
    +14
    My sincere condolences to the families of the victims. The loss is not replaceable.
  22. spirit
    spirit 8 May 2018 07: 02
    +7
    As Bismarck said: They never lie as much as before the election, during the war.
    So I would divide by 2 all the statements of the MO. But the pilots feel sorry. The second time the catapults did not work. Coincidence?
  23. jaroff
    jaroff 8 May 2018 07: 03
    +9
    It will be easy to understand a technical malfunction or knocked down by participating in the parade tomorrow. If similar helicopters are involved, fly, then in Syria a serviceable helicopter was shot down. If there was a malfunction, then usually the flights of this type of equipment are suspended. Seven dead-condolences. Pilots, the kingdom of heaven.
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 8 May 2018 07: 22
      +9
      Quote: zharyoff
      If similar helicopters are involved, fly, then in Syria a serviceable helicopter was shot down. If there was a malfunction, then usually the flights of this type of equipment are suspended.

      Not true. They stop training flights (if the equipment failed), the rest go on as usual. No one will cancel combat sorties, but the parade is a separate issue in general.
      1. Grits
        Grits 8 May 2018 09: 11
        +1
        It’s good when there is a knowledgeable person
    2. jaroff
      jaroff 9 May 2018 21: 37
      +1
      Happy Victory Day! Today, the Ka-52 participated in the air parade. We can confidently say that if there was any hint at a malfunction of the fleet of these helicopters, they would not have been allowed before the parade, because. God forbid it falls on Red Square, which is the worst thing, but it can just disrupt the parade, etc. Accordingly, as it is not regrettable, everything goes to the conclusion that we were shot down. True, there is another version, it was not voiced, as in vain, this is a crew error when flying at night. In any case, it is necessary to wait for the conclusions of the commission, another thing, will these conclusions be brought to the public? Not sure.
  24. Placebo
    Placebo 8 May 2018 07: 04
    +2
    The blessed memory of the dead ... But, in the army the same situation as everywhere else in the country ...
  25. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 8 May 2018 07: 08
    +1
    Even how many Ka-52 drops nobody uses a catapult. What is the use of her.
  26. lance
    lance 8 May 2018 07: 10
    +2
    statistics of the last month are depressing. miserable men, the kingdom of heaven. the commander-in-chief has a manomach’s hat, knows everything but is silent.
  27. Nix1986
    Nix1986 8 May 2018 07: 11
    +1
    Condolences to the family. And again, it’s not clear, there was a catapult there (on ka 50 so for sure), why didn’t they use it ?!
  28. jrvp79
    jrvp79 8 May 2018 07: 12
    +4
    Well, why is it asked our latest helicopters, which work in the war, are not equipped with a complex of protection against MANPADS? Where are these unmatched protection systems in the world? It somehow smells bad from such news. Someone from the military ranks forgot that there is a war in Syria? It seems that now attack aircraft are equipped with the appropriate systems? The truth is also after the death of the pilot and the loss of the car. Kozheedovich, what order will the masses give you for this, steeper than those that you already received for the collapse of the Army and the life of the defenders of the Motherland?
  29. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 8 May 2018 07: 13
    +9
    They stopped calling the dead. Dry lines about the number. Previously, everyone was named by name. What is interesting connected? The number of losses is growing, do not want to excite public opinion? When the An 26 fell, the information was generally scarce, everything fell, and 39 people died.
    1. Soho
      Soho 8 May 2018 07: 36
      +1
      because it is a military board and the military flew. MoD, unlike the civilian sector, will almost never publish detailed data on disasters.
    2. Snakebyte
      Snakebyte 8 May 2018 07: 59
      +3
      Quote: Dr. Hub
      They stopped calling the dead. Dry lines about the number.

      KE - Gushchin Artyom,
      LS - Miroshnichenko Roman
      1. cedar
        cedar 8 May 2018 13: 11
        0
        Fatherless or something not Russian?
        Where did the middle name go?
        1. Snakebyte
          Snakebyte 8 May 2018 14: 51
          +2
          Not in the know, brought what was in the source. Source - Aviation Forum.
  30. Altona
    Altona 8 May 2018 07: 26
    +6
    Regardless of the reasons for the failure of the equipment, my condolences to the dead crew, who died during the combat mission.
  31. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 8 May 2018 07: 34
    +2
    There is a war, a real war, an eternal memory for the Heroes of the pilots ..... And reading some comments, the feeling of abomination is ... You just turn on your brain a little bit before you write something
  32. Alexander War
    Alexander War 8 May 2018 07: 35
    +2
    Condolences to family and friends. Good memory to the pilots.
  33. cat Baiyun.
    cat Baiyun. 8 May 2018 07: 38
    +9
    Strange as it may seem, the Su-30SM crashed, the crew didn’t catapult, the Ka-52 crashed (knocked out), the crew didn’t catapult request strange, maybe there is a tacit sign “don't leave the car,” of course, but there’s a strangeness, the car crashes into the sea, the crew does not escape, the other car falls to the ground, the crew does not escape ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 8 May 2018 07: 43
      +6
      Well, actually getting captured by the "thugs" (in the literal sense of the word) is just to prolong the torment and besides, what will be the hype in the foreign media when the militants show videos and photos with captured Russian pilots.
      1. cat Baiyun.
        cat Baiyun. 8 May 2018 13: 04
        +2
        But the hero pilot Roman Filipov on a downed Su-25, decided differently, he also managed to utilize the barmaley.
        Do not forget, there is also MSS!
    2. Alexsin
      Alexsin 8 May 2018 08: 06
      +1
      Can I eject from a helicopter? It seems like there is no catapult due to falling under the catapult screw? Not? You know?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 8 May 2018 08: 28
        +6
        It’s on this type of bailout that I possibly saw a video of how this happens (though on the ground, there are videos on youtube)) —the blades and side and top panels of the place where the pilots are sitting and then the pilots themselves are shot up and to the side at an angle with a delay of a fraction seconds. Only now .... usually a helicopter flies at low altitude and if something falls with a stone, it rolls over or falls sideways (if there is no auto-rotation) ..... maybe specialists know better ...
        1. cat Baiyun.
          cat Baiyun. 8 May 2018 12: 59
          +2
          The ejection seat K-36D allows you to eject from any position of the machine, google, it’s interesting, this is why mattresses were bought at hard times at the factory, two chairs were dismantled and tried to be adapted for your cars.
      2. Grits
        Grits 8 May 2018 09: 14
        +3
        Just on the Ka-52 there
      3. staviator
        staviator 8 May 2018 09: 28
        +5
        Quote: Alexsin
        Can I eject from a helicopter? It seems like there is no catapult due to falling under the catapult screw? Not? You know?

        Before writing nonsense, at least they would know that on the KA-50 and KA-52 there are catapults and the screws are being shot back. No? Do not know?
  34. Alexander War
    Alexander War 8 May 2018 07: 39
    +2
    However, the Kommersant newspaper writes that the helicopter was shot down during patrols in the east of the country, where the troops of the so-called American coalition and the militants supported by it occupy their positions. The material stated that the attack on the Ka-52 was carried out using MANPADS. Here, while the words are not supported by anything, for example, let’s say the question is already in improving BKO and the question of why they were not catapulted, the only helicopter with such a system in the world
  35. Tank hard
    Tank hard 8 May 2018 07: 43
    +3
    Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.
  36. Merold
    Merold 8 May 2018 07: 50
    +4
    Land in peace pilots.
  37. Alexsin
    Alexsin 8 May 2018 08: 03
    +3
    It is not clear why to keep silent if the Americans and the militants supported by them were involved in the death of the helicopter. The world should know who is fomenting war and wreaking havoc in Syria and the entire Middle East.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 8 May 2018 09: 15
      0
      Everyone already knows who and what kindles. If shot down, they will find, and will be repaid according to their deserts.
    2. Grits
      Grits 8 May 2018 09: 18
      +8
      And the deputy, that if you admit the fact of shelling their MANPADS by all sorts of Kurds and other pro-American bearded men, then you will have to strike at them aircraft. As it always was when they fought with ISIS. But here is not ISIS - here are American friends, and Americans protect their friends. Unlike us. And F-22 and F-15 will fly towards our planes and will shoot down ours. Therefore, our management so tightened the tail
  38. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 8 May 2018 08: 20
    +8
    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: 100502
    Gut

    with a small intestine do not become Presidents
    with a small intestine on the couch stink

    Well done, nobly licked laughing
  39. daodejin
    daodejin 8 May 2018 08: 24
    +3
    Ka-52, Su-24M, Su-30SM should fly tomorrow at the parade. No one will let you make a fuss, even if shot down. Especially if it is a provocation.
    Pilots bright memory
  40. Bok tubres
    Bok tubres 8 May 2018 08: 29
    +2
    No matter how our authorities try to disguise this word, but this - WAR.
    И not fairwhen guys dying at the hands of the enemy(whatever, whoever said, and the enemy is USA) in the Syrian war, they will try to write down,as victims of a "faulty technique"!
    Unfair, ugly,worthless! Whom is the Defense Ministry trying to trick?
    Z.Y. And to the dead pilots,low bow and eternal memory! To the relatives of the dead,thanks for the heroes, and sincere condolences!
  41. Azazelo
    Azazelo 8 May 2018 08: 42
    +1
    Well, what the hell. Ejectable chairs are. How is that?
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 8 May 2018 14: 33
      +1
      Maybe they just didn’t have time? (((
  42. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 8 May 2018 08: 53
    +1
    Quote: Oleg147741
    Quote: Titsen
    Quote: Poll_0
    Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.


    TU-154 - 92 people
    Su-24 - Human 2
    MiG-29 - cost
    Su-33 - cost
    An-26 - 39 people
    Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
    Ka-52 - 2 people

    Not often, but very often!

    It seems that they completely relaxed ....

    According to Tu 154, I still don’t believe (and I won’t believe) that these pilots were "lost" in space!

    Faith is in no way an empirical concept. If the facts are for you about anything, trust your feelings. And read the investigation materials: everything is there. Sapienti sat.
  43. staviator
    staviator 8 May 2018 09: 10
    +7
    It’s strange somehow, neither in the su-30 nor in the ka-52 the pilots ejected. It seems that the car is more expensive than life. I recall the words of the pilot convicted of a wrecked car, to whom the court ordered several million damages- "My fault is that I survived. "It's a shame when the pilots die from banal damage. Eternal memory.
  44. Cop
    Cop 8 May 2018 09: 19
    +2
    I think that these are only flowers ...... The Russian VVB Khmeimim is located extremely unsuccessfully. A village adjoins it on one side, and a road passes nearby. The road is full of buildings. In general, there is where to hide. And I just see a bearded “babai” who drives up a toyota tundra, drives a car into the yard, takes his time out of the back of a truck carrying a case in which, for example, Truvelo CMS 20x110 mm, collects it, equips the store with special sniper cartridges or shells, installs it to the machine, takes a cup of coffee, pushes the chair to the machine ... and waits for the SU-30SM to take off. Well, or as an option, not a “bogeyman”, but a regular military man in a suit from Ghillie Desert, reconnaissance battalion of the 101st division of the US MTR.
  45. cache
    cache 8 May 2018 09: 44
    +4
    the Yankees used a new top-secret weapon that disables electronics.
    1. igorserg
      igorserg 8 May 2018 09: 56
      0
      also thought about it, maybe some kind of
  46. Imobile
    Imobile 8 May 2018 09: 53
    +4
    With such losses of people, it’s not only that all the bosses in Syria need to be changed, but here it’s time to change the head of the Ministry of Defense At first I wanted to write if there was a version with a bird, but now there is no place for sarcasm
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 8 May 2018 10: 23
      +4
      And put you up? Or maybe right away as president?
    2. smolenin.
      smolenin. 8 May 2018 13: 49
      +1
      not everything is so apparently good in our army ....
  47. Andrey Konev
    Andrey Konev 8 May 2018 10: 25
    +3
    Nobody wants a nuclear war, so any military casualties on either our or the American side will always be presented as a technical malfunction. Such news should be read between the lines. Nuclear superpowers can only fight diplomatically, economically, with propaganda, sabotage wars, or with the hands of small allies in their territories as avatars. One thing is upsetting, something from the enemy’s side is not heard of the fall of their aircraft and helicopters due to birds or technical malfunctions. Condolences to close and dear pilots.
  48. Ivan Tarava
    Ivan Tarava 8 May 2018 10: 41
    +4
    Forgive me, but there is no more condolences.
  49. Imobile
    Imobile 8 May 2018 10: 52
    +3
    Quote: Tank Hard
    And put you up? Or maybe right away as president?

    Looking at the actions of our Defense Ministry, it is possible for me, but I think there are people in the Army more worthy of me. The main thing is to break nepotism, then it will be better
  50. Sedoy
    Sedoy 8 May 2018 11: 20
    +1
    and the catapult didn’t work?