Ka-xnumx crashed in Syria. The pilots died

The information about the crash of the Ka-52 Russian helicopter in Syria has been confirmed. The helicopter crashed the day before in the eastern part of the Syrian Arab Republic. This was reported in the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Both pilots died. According to the latest information, their bodies were delivered to the Khmeimim airbase.

This information was published the night before at one of the air forums. However, it was soon removed from publication.

The official version of the collapse of the Ka-52 is a technical failure. From the message of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:

According to preliminary information, the cause of the incident could be a technical malfunction.

However edition "Kommersant" writes that the helicopter was shot down during a patrol in the east of the country, where the troops of the so-called American coalition and the militants supported by it take their positions. The material stated that the attack on the Ka-52 was carried out using MANPADS.

Comments

[Poll_0]

Good memory to the pilots.

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

[Spartanez300]

Condolences to the families of pilots.

[210ox]

"Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us. A blessed memory to pilots.

Quote: Poll_0

Good memory to the pilots.

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

[Don]

Condolences to the family of the dead

Quote: 210ox

"Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us

And in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication, not a couple of the vast majority of others.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Donskoy

in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication

You are wrong.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

You are wrong.

Based on what did you conclude about his error? The secret for you is that the official media often ..... um, they cheat? However, all the media are lying, and the information needs to be checked.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Based on what did you conclude about his error?

Based on experience.

Quote: Ingvar 72

the official media often ..... um, they cheat?

You yourself answered:

Quote: Ingvar 72

lied to all the media

Are you bored? Pet the cat, don’t contact me, not up to you

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Based on experience

Own experience, and he is different for everyone. Some are experienced in trolling.

Quote: Golovan Jack

You answered yourself

You did not understand Kees - the keyword is OFFICIAL!

Quote: Golovan Jack

Pet cat

Dead in the winter.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Some are experienced in trolling.

You flatter yourself. You are not even an apprentice.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Keyword - OFFICIAL

Quote: Ingvar 72

lied to all the media

The "all" includes the official too, no?

Quote: Ingvar 72

Kisa

Osia

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

You flatter yourself. You are not even an apprentice.

But you are a master of the hundredth level! I am up to you, as to China .... sideways!

Quote: Golovan Jack

The "all" includes the official too, no?

About everything there was an amendment.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I am up to you, as to China .... side

Yes. And not only in the matter of kicking, ahem ... offended in the internet.

Quote: Ingvar 72

About everything there was an amendment

One more time:

Quote: Golovan Jack

The "all" includes the official too, no?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Yes. And not only in the matter of kicking, ahem ... offended in the internet

Are you still an offended specialist? Then your passion for geese, roosters and hamsters is understood!

Quote: Golovan Jack

One more time:

The "All" includes ALL Kitty. It is strange that a person who positions himself smarter than most has to explain elementary things.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You did not understand Kees - the keyword is OFFICIAL!

Do you seriously think that unofficial people don’t lie?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pollux

Do you seriously think that unofficial people don’t lie?

I wrote -

Quote: Ingvar 72

However, all the media are lying, and the information needs to be checked.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Ingvar 72

However, all the media are lying, and the information needs to be checked.

How so?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pollux

How so?

In parallel in all media and on the internet.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Based on what did you conclude about his error?

why the same question does not arise for you regarding this statement:

Quote: Ingvar 72

And in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication

?????

[1skuns1]

ahha ... YOU ARE MISLEADED ... iron argument ... add more WITH A GREATER PROBABILITY, and arguing is almost useless

[konstantin68]

As serious and knowledgeable as you are. Do not pee for an hour from there?

[Doronkabilio]

Something is amiss in the Danish kingdom, however ...

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Donskoy

Condolences to the family of the dead

Quote: 210ox

"Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us

And in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication, not a couple of the vast majority of others.

In addition, it seems to me that our MO is cunning. Since if they recognized the attack, they would have to give an answer, and there are our partners. Therefore, I begin to trust the merchant more than our officials. Well, if Putin spat in the face of almost 80% of the people, what can we say about the rest!

[Normal ok]

Quote: Oleg147741

In addition, it seems to me that our MO is cunning. Since if they recognized the attack, they would have to give an answer, and there are our partners. Therefore, I begin to trust the merchant more than our officials. Well, if Putin spat in the face of almost 80% of the people, what can we say about the rest!

With language removed.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Oleg147741

Therefore, I begin to trust the merchant more than our officials.

Believing in the enemy media is your personal choice.

[Stas Snezhin]

However, Kommersant writes

According to unconfirmed data, All working in Kommersant - non-traditional sexual orientation persons.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Stas Snezhin

However, Kommersant writes

According to unconfirmed data, All working in Kommersant - non-traditional sexual orientation persons.

Have they checked everyone? And how, a reliable way?

[Stas Snezhin]

Quote: Oleg147741

Have they checked everyone? And how, a reliable way?

Defend your own? Well, well, there have been a lot of you like that lately ..

[Lynx33]

Who reads such nastiness also of the wrong sexual orientation, they usually love the brain ..., their own and those around them

[I am Russian]

By the way, Kommersant has never once given news that would not have been confirmed about the incident with our forces in Syria. So do not drive them.

[Voyager]

Well, how can I say ... And the information about the raid on the airfield with supposedly a bunch of destroyed and damaged aircraft?

[Merold]

Quote: 210ox

"Kommersant" is also a garbage dump scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies.

From what authoritative and truthful publication do you get the news, if not a secret?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: 210ox

"Kommersant" is still garbage

until recently, based on your materials, you discussed 71 downed tomahawk cruise missile in Syria
pilots of the kingdom of heaven, relatives of condolences

[Wendigo]

Quote: 210ox

Kommersant "that still garbage news scooping up heating everywhere

That is, he is telling the truth and in a timely manner he immediately dumps? If it weren’t for a comrade from MO you would have known this news at best in a week and even in a highly censored form.
MO probably already doesn’t remember when the last time it was telling the truth.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Wendigo

If it weren’t for a comrade from MO you would have known this news at best in a week ...

, and it is right. As for me, so long ago it has been necessary to introduce censorship on such "news", and supporters like Kommersant - viciously fine and in general, in every possible way ... toad.

Quote: Wendigo

MO probably already doesn’t remember when the last time it was telling the truth

MO, you see, does not exist at all to "tell the truth." You

[tomket]

Quote: 210ox

"Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us. A blessed memory to pilots.

Well, if the rest of the editions are bashfully erasing the news, so as not to overshadow the insider, then it only remains to receive information from the enemies.

[Titsen]

Quote: Poll_0

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

TU-154 - 92 people
Su-24 - Human 2
MiG-29 - cost
Su-33 - cost
An-26 - 39 people
Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
Ka-52 - 2 people

Not often, but very often!

It seems that they completely relaxed ....

[milling machine]

Quote: Titsen

Quote: Poll_0

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

TU-154 - 92 people
Su-24 - Human 2
MiG-29 - cost
Su-33 - cost
An-26 - 39 people
Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
Ka-52 - 2 people

Not often, but very often!

It seems that they completely relaxed ....

Forgot about mi 35

[Snakebyte]

Quote: frezer

Forgot about mi 35

And 2 more Mi-28N (one without casualties, the crew of the second died).

[figwam]

More Turks Su-24m shot down -1 people.

[Voyager]

I remember the Mi-28 with the victims, and the second when?

[Snakebyte]

In October 2017, he accidentally sat down, there were no injuries.

[LSA57]

Quote: Titsen

Quote: Poll_0

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

TU-154 - 92 people
Su-24 - Human 2
MiG-29 - cost
Su-33 - cost
An-26 - 39 people
Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
Ka-52 - 2 people

Not often, but very often!

It seems that they completely relaxed ....

and is it all down?

[Dead duck]

Quote: LSA57

and is it all down?

sneaker from the sofa

[Filxnumx]

It seems that they completely relaxed ....
Definitely! The Flight Safety Service of the Russian Federation in Syria does not catch flies, completely pohrah prophylaxis, but only deals with statistics, alas, sad. Safety rules in aviation have not yet been violated with impunity by anyone. Or began to "save" on lives?

[t-4]

It seems that the infantry general commands the Air Force. Has anyone heard that the pilot after the academy was sent to command a tank regiment?
Or was a sailor appointed to the position of commander of the Taman division, even with extensive experience in long-distance expeditions?
Yes, this is just ridiculous! If it weren’t so sad.
And to all the dead - eternal memory.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Titsen

Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird

If the author thinks this is funny, then he is just a scoundrel!

[Tank hard]

Still, this is war. Was there no loss in Vietnam, Angola, Korea, Afghanistan (the list goes on)? Even in exercises, shows are different losses. All this “running-in” of equipment and personnel in combat operations is unsafe. The enemy is also not simple, there are experienced and competent instructors, and the corresponding weapons.

[Kokarev Mikhail]

I agree! War is war. In the Soviet Army during the month of the exercises there were also not a few losses, but what is described, and with the vile support of the USA and Turkey, is even not bad. I hope only for our special services, so that they do not leave me unanswered. It’s necessary to teach the adversary unhappiness, alas, a modern war: not from a cannon direct fire, but all from a silence somehow.

[Wendigo]

Quote: Kokarev Mikhail

so as not to be left unanswered. The enemy must be trained

And our belly button will not get loose by chance? Any answer will be answered on the other hand.
I hope you obviously from whom the answers will be more painful.

[Kokarev Mikhail]

It’s not obvious that you wrote Andryushenka whom you mean. And so, and so you can understand! Probably still young, if you are not clearly expressing yourself.

[the lord]

There will be current from you. That's the principle of the answer, so that there was no desire to repeat. Look out for our PMCs avenged by SU-57 attacks on the gout, dozens of dozens of Ibonatovsky military experts there - now there is silence with this.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Titsen

Quote: Poll_0

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

TU-154 - 92 people
Su-24 - Human 2
MiG-29 - cost
Su-33 - cost
An-26 - 39 people
Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
Ka-52 - 2 people

Not often, but very often!

It seems that they completely relaxed ....

According to Tu 154, I still don’t believe (and I won’t believe) that these pilots were "lost" in space!

[Avis24]

In Afghanistan, even the official loss of 333 helicopters over 10 years. For the first Chechen 36 in 2 years. For the second Chechen from 7i to 13 per year. I believe that in Syria we are still very lucky with statistics.

[tforik]

333 apparently this is taking into account Afghan cars. And the coalition’s loss is 105 vert, which in itself is also quite a bit! I’m even surprised.

[Dead duck]

Quote: Titsen

It seems that they completely relaxed ....

just the sum of the factors
forget that now is not the time of the USSR.
equipment, maintenance, control, people - put everything together and get the result.

[LSA57]

Quote: Poll_0

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft.

and how often? when did the last fall and why?

[dSK]

Quote: Poll_0

Good memory to the pilots.

Sincerely condolences to relatives and friends.

[Alex_Rarog]

Rest in peace...

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Quote: Poll_0

Good memory to the pilots.

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

And the perpetrators at least once answered or investigate, scold and forget.

[Terenin]

To our dead pilots - eternal memory and GLORY! And, without a doubt, the cause will be established. We must wait for the results of the commission.

[garnik]

So shot down or due to a technical malfunction? In any case, condolences that something is not happening as we would like.

[konstantin68]

Probably if they shot down, the bodies would not have time to evacuate so quickly.

[sleeve]

Everlasting memory. The war is on and takes its pay. With the frequency of field sorties that is present even now, statistics will be negative. And the words "not so much fell" are certainly inappropriate here. The reasons will be established, they will not be silent, this is not the situation. We’ll think about it there. I am confident that measures have already been taken in Syria.

[Alone]

Quote: sleeve

The reasons will be established, they will not be silent, this is not the situation.

And if "our Western partners (more rudely can not be expressed about them here) knocked him down," do you think they will not keep silent?

[milling machine]

Quote: Alone

Quote: sleeve

The reasons will be established, they will not be silent, this is not the situation.

And if "our Western partners (more rudely can not be expressed about them here) knocked him down," do you think they will not keep silent?

It seems to me that they shot down. If those who shot down do not post the video, then the Ministry of Defense will until the last talk about a technical malfunction.
There are two reasons: if the coalition is knocked down, then we need to answer, but we don’t have enough spirit (as was the case with the crumbled Wagnerites), the second reason is that our electronic warfare and helicopter protection systems do not work as we are told.
I immediately recall the downed MI 35, about which our MO until the last claimed that it was the Syrian MI 24.

[Bar1]

Quote: frezer

It seems to me that they shot down. If those who shot down do not post the video, then the Ministry of Defense will until the last talk about a technical malfunction.

or the pilots are to blame.

Quote: frezer

There are two reasons: if the coalition is knocked down, then we need to answer, but we don’t have enough spirit (as was the case with the crumbled Wagnerites), the second reason is that our electronic warfare and helicopter protection systems do not work as we are told.

you can remember that 154 with the Aleksandrovtsy, even though the plane crumbled in the air, but the commission said it was overload.
The equipment of our airplanes and helicopters with hibins is apparently in the state of a journalist showing one model, because there is no money, but you hold on.
But now infa will float, our falcons began to brutally take revenge on the Basmachi.

[Berkut154]

Why did he scatter in the air? Before the collision with the water surface, it was a technically sound aircraft.

[Bar1]

Quote: Berkut154

Why did he scatter in the air? Before the collision with the water surface, it was a technically sound aircraft.

with the fact that they pulled out pieces of the plane.

[Berkut154]

Not pieces but parts of the skin. This will happen with any aircraft when it hits the water.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: frezer

I immediately recall the downed MI 35, about which our MO until the last claimed that it was the Syrian MI 24.

Why to the last? This is now the official version

[-Pollux]

Quote: frezer

as was the case with the crumbled Wagnerites

How do you think the English special forces are not an answer?

[alexnmv5]

Well then, it's time for the Americans to fall. And wherever these worms are.

[100502]

The gut is thin in our darkest guarantor, suddenly the accounts of homies will be covered

[tlauicol]

if shot down, shut up, so that the Americans do not quarrel by May 9

[LSA57]

Quote: Tlauicol

if shot down, shut up,

Mosh there? already said

so as not to quarrel with the Americans on May 9

generally nonsense. what a quarrel if we are at war with them ???? or we still do not "quarrel" with a bucket?

[Metallurg_2]

And the accounts of ...

[AVGUST]

Dear, at the moment you even led me out with your deviant behavior, you yourself don’t think that your place is near the bucket, why are you rude to everyone?

[SPACE59]

I will support your comment, too, an inadequate rudeness of a citizen was striking.

[AVGUST]

Hold your paw, brother, I rarely get into the comments, I try only somehow on business, and not in order to at least somehow show myself, or to earn a plus, and this subject behaves like an upstart ignored at school, throwing sorry shit on the fan .....

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: LSA57

with a small intestine do not become Presidents

Medvedev was the same president, and Yeltsin, and Gorbachev. Did everyone have a colon?
I’ll tell you a secret - everyone has a thick, like a small intestine, but here are coconuts ( ) everyone is different.
As a supporter of Putin, you want to ask a question - how do you like the composition of the new government?

[LSA57]

Quote: Ingvar 72

As a supporter of Putin, you want to ask a question - how do you like the composition of the new government?

is he already there? and whose supporter are you?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: LSA57

is he already there?

There is Google to help.

Quote: LSA57

and whose supporter are you?

Russian people.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Russian people.

You lie, the Russian people chose Putin, and for this you hate both of them.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pollux

You're lying

For that you are a fount of truth! Vova personally introduced his team to you? People like you are always bad boyars, but the king is golden. What does he surround himself with political excrement?

Quote: Pollux

Russian people chose Putin

For some reason, the highest percentages were in the Caucasus, from where the Russians were kicked out in the 90s.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

For that you are a fount of truth

Osia, it’s bad for you to worry ...
* but
* truths
In three and a half words, two blunders ... ay-ay-ay

Quote: Ingvar 72

forever bad boyars, but the king of gold

And you here, I heard, are going to Maidan? Well, hold the flag ... as my grandmother used to say:

Go, go ... there the wolves meet

And for some reason I don’t feel sorry for you at all ... Osia

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

In three and a half words, two blunders ... ay-ay-ay

Do you still care about the wrapper, not the contents? Then come to Tolyatti - we recently painted garbage bins, and painted cherries on them! (hint yourself guess, al prompt?)

Quote: Golovan Jack

And for some reason I’m not at all sorry for you.

Strong people do not need pity.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Strong people do not need pity

Are you to yourself, or what? Yes, you only do that whining here is safe, that you have little money. I don’t understand in any way when and how do you manage to earn money (even this).
And you whine, yes ... strongly loud, that is, that is.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Are you still worried about the wrapper, not the contents?

Your contents are clearly visible through your own wrapper ... Osia

[-Pollux]

Quote: Ingvar 72

For people like you

You clearly see hostility towards the Russian peoples in general and towards the Russian president in particular.

Quote: Ingvar 72

the boyars are bad, but the king is golden

People like me do not count on others, including the king and the boyars.

Quote: Ingvar 72

What does he surround himself with political excrement?

To answer this claim, you must name the names of "political excrement".

Quote: Ingvar 72

For some reason, the highest percentages were in the Caucasus, from where the Russians were kicked out in the 90s.

What were you waiting for? Do not be weak - and no one can drive you away (give birth to more children).

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pollux

to the Russian people in general and to the Russian president in particular.

It is strange that you put an equal sign between the Russian people and Putin. For some reason, the “Russian” president cares more about other nationalities of our country.

Quote: Pollux

People like me do not count on others, including the king and the boyars.

Read the constitution - the state is obliged to take care of its citizens.

Quote: Pollux

To answer this claim, you must name the names of "political excrement".

See the composition of the former / new government.

Quote: Pollux

(give birth to more children).

Provide you help? You do not see children that you throw such slogans. And I have four.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Ingvar 72

It is strange that you put an equal sign between the Russian people and Putin. For some reason, the “Russian” president cares more about other nationalities of our country.

Poor, poor Ingvar, nobody loves him, nobody cares about him !!! Do you have more serious complaints besides some abstract “doesn't care”?

Quote: Ingvar 72

Read the constitution - the state is obliged to take care of its citizens.

You decide there, you are for the constitution or against, and when you
not profitable - you shout "we must change, the Americans have imposed it on us", and when it is profitable shout "read the constitution."

Quote: Ingvar 72

See the composition of the former / new government.

Name Ingvar, NAME.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Provide you help? You do not see children that you throw such slogans.

Firstly, I have children.
Secondly - why should I provide for your children? Or why should the state do this?

[konstantin68]

Quote: 100502

The gut is thin in our darkest guarantor, suddenly the accounts of homies will be covered

YOUR is really thin!

[demchuk.ig]

What an unhealthy tendency. Iron will be made, but people will not be returned! The earth rest in peace.

[Jack O'Neill]

Condolences to the pilots and their families with friends.
An interesting reason, given that not so long ago, two more pilots crashed on the Su-30.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

An interesting reason, given that not so long ago ...

Explained so far this:

The Ministry of Defense confirmed the fact of the disaster, but noted that, according to preliminary information, the car crashed due to a technical malfunction. “The search and rescue team delivered the bodies of the dead pilots to the airfield,” the department added. This is the seventh VKS helicopter loss since the start of the campaign in Syria and the first for the Ka-52.

Machines of this type have been on combat duty on a rotational basis as part of the mixed air group of the Russian air forces at the 555th airbase in Khmeimim since March 2016, taking an active part both in the convoy convoys from the reconciliation center of the warring parties, and directly in military operations (for example, they liberated El Karyaytin point from the militants).

Against the background of criticism of another helicopter - the Mi-28N, which Viktor Bondarev reproached the former VKS commander of the Russian Federation for "failed electronics" - the military considered the Ka-52 a de facto finished product. At least neither its guided (like "Attack") and uncontrolled (like S-80) missiles, nor the President-S electronic countermeasures system, nor the rest of the systems, questions were posed by representatives of the airborne forces.

[tlauicol]

There is a catapult on Ka52. And the guys died ..

[helmi8]

Quote: Tlauicol

There is a catapult on Ka52. And the guys died ..

I will answer you as a helicopter pilot - the psychology of the helicopter pilot is such that until the very last he will try to land the car. As a rule, a helicopter leaves only when it is clear that this is impossible due to failure or damage, and if there is sufficient height. Again, we don’t know exactly what happened there - either a failure, or a shot down ...

[Avis24]

And in some situations, even if you really want to, you can’t jump out. Will spread across the cab from variable loads. Try to get up and go out in the amusement park with a children's carousel, and this is just a miserable semblance of when a couple of sections from the blade will be ripped out.

[helmi8]

Quote: Avis24

when a couple of sections of the blade vomit.

Nothing will happen ... I flew in Afghanistan and without three compartments in two blades (or rather, in one without two, in the other without three). Well, shook, but you can fly. Now, if the blade is torn off - then yes, such an imbalance will begin that you can’t do anything, even just stand up. Here you are right.

[Avis24]

I forgot to clarify, a colleague, with a tail rotor. 26.01.1996/XNUMX/XNUMX Budenovsk, just part of the rotor blade was torn off. KE remained alive, ZS broken, as it turned out did not understand behind the cockpit.

[Beby]

Quote: Tlauicol

There is a catapult on Ka52. And the guys died ..

It simply could not be enough time: before the bailout the meat grinder should be guaranteed to disappear above your head, .. and if the car began to fill up on its side, then the bailout will not work. Here is an example from the Mi-24:
at 1:28 hit, at 1:30 the roll is already 90 degrees, and at 1:32 already in the ground ...

[helmi8]

Quote: Beby

at 1:28 hit, at 1:30 the roll is already 90 degrees, and at 1:32 already in the ground ...

What are we talking about ... We do not know what happened and how. We can only guess. A flight to WWI requires special attention. The slightest miscalculation - and a mouthful of earth, as we have said ...

[100502]

If this is a technical failure, then why did the bailout system fail again?

[Ivan Tarava]

It can be specially turned off, so that in case of something not to be captured. After all, the Russian soldier does not give up.

[helmi8]

Quote: 100502

If this is a technical failure, then why did the bailout system fail again?

Quote: Ivan Tarava

It can be specially turned off, so that in case of something not to be captured.

The bailout system does not work automatically. It is necessary to bring it into action yourself ... A ... It may not work if safety checks are not pulled out of the squibs before the flight ...

[Archivist Vasya]

But can’t you pull out a check during a flight? if not then what is the point of making a fuse in this way ...

[helmi8]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

But can’t you pull out a check during a flight?

The ejection chair is not a grenade, pulled out a check and drop it. Long to explain the design features, I will answer briefly - it is impossible.

[Monster_Fat]

However, Kommersant writes that the helicopter was shot down during patrols in the east of the country, where the troops of the so-called American coalition and the militants supported by it occupy their positions. The material stated that the attack on the Ka-52 was carried out using MANPADS.

"Kommersant" rocking the boat "....

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Monster_Fat

However, Kommersant writes that the helicopter was shot down during patrols in the east of the country, where the troops of the so-called American coalition and the militants supported by it occupy their positions. The material stated that the attack on the Ka-52 was carried out using MANPADS.

"Kommersant" rocking the boat "....

Putin is rocking the boat, appointing Medvedev to the post of prime minister!

[Antares]

Quote: Oleg147741

Kommersant "rocking the boat" ....
Putin is rocking the boat, appointing Medvedev to the post of prime minister!

if you trace who appoints whom and sways, the people are to blame and he swings.
This will not help the guys anymore, condolences to the family and friends.
The reason is usually "assigned", let's see what the commission says. However, this is also not always accurate.

[ivselim]

Eternal memory to the pilots and condolences to relatives and friends.

[Mwg]

Land in peace flyers. Condolences to family and friends.

[nikolas 83]

Condolences to the family. Pilots are very sorry. If they shot down from the MANPADS.? Does it seem that there is protection on all the machines? And if it’s still not a technical malfunction.? How do I decide to eject when the blades are rotating above you, I know that the blades should shoot. And if shooting It won’t work properly ... Some mysteries how and why it fell.

[Berkut154]

Protection also needs to be applied. She is not a panacea for all ills, unfortunately ...

[nikvic46]

Eternal memory and deep condolences to close relatives.
I hope that the command will deal with all responsibility in the cause of death, which they performed on a foreign land
your duty.

[rotmistr60]

Sincere condolences to the families of the victims.
Kommersant, of course, is also the media, but the possibility of destroying a helicopter from the ground cannot be ruled out, although I want to believe the Moscow Region.

[daodejin]

Are there too many "technical failures" for military equipment?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: daodejin

Are there too many "technical failures" for military equipment?

Eternal memory to pilots.
PSThe more they fly, the more often they fall. In Israel, we also have accidents almost every year, and the pilots have the largest raid in the world. Technique is the technique.

[shura7782]

... and the pilots have the largest raid in the world.
I apologize that my question is off-topic, but still, I’m curious to know What is the raid?
The more they fly, the more often they fall ...... Technology is the technique .. The paradox is that according to the operating experience, the more often the equipment flies, the less often the equipment failures on it.

[-Pollux]

Quote: shura7782

the more often the equipment flies, the less often equipment failures occur on it.

There are fewer failures in percentage terms, and in absolute numbers - where they fly more and fall more often.

[Berkut154]

Unfortunately, this all takes on a systemic character ..

[cedar]

There is a war in Syria and if you notice it tends to escalate, so these victims, unfortunately, are far from the last. God rest their souls.

[Fitratovich]

Only recently, the Su-30 is incomprehensible

[Berkut154]

Of course it’s not clear. Especially until now it is not clear who was sitting in the place of the second ...

[poplar in Kiev]

In general, 15 cars were lost. The whole squadron is not weak. Plus they were damaged by shelling the hemeini.

[Maz]

Quote: Poll_0

Good memory to the pilots.

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

Oh, I don't like this sequence. Annushka, drying, now an alligator .... As if it had not grown into a pattern

[Dave36]

Any statistics with subsequent modernization is written in blood. Knocked down or not, no one will say, but if Black failed, there would already be a video. If at night, it’s rather our wonderful partners .. You won’t envy our commander in chief ... the military are people too ...

[Professor]

My sincere condolences to the families of the victims. The loss is not replaceable.

[spirit]

As Bismarck said: They never lie as much as before the election, during the war.
So I would divide by 2 all the statements of the MO. But the pilots feel sorry. The second time the catapults did not work. Coincidence?

[jaroff]

It will be easy to understand a technical malfunction or knocked down by participating in the parade tomorrow. If similar helicopters are involved, fly, then in Syria a serviceable helicopter was shot down. If there was a malfunction, then usually the flights of this type of equipment are suspended. Seven dead-condolences. Pilots, the kingdom of heaven.

[helmi8]

Quote: zharyoff

If similar helicopters are involved, fly, then in Syria a serviceable helicopter was shot down. If there was a malfunction, then usually the flights of this type of equipment are suspended.

Not true. They stop training flights (if the equipment failed), the rest go on as usual. No one will cancel combat sorties, but the parade is a separate issue in general.

[Grits]

It’s good when there is a knowledgeable person

[jaroff]

Happy Victory Day! Today, the Ka-52 participated in the air parade. We can confidently say that if there was any hint at a malfunction of the fleet of these helicopters, they would not have been allowed before the parade, because. God forbid it falls on Red Square, which is the worst thing, but it can just disrupt the parade, etc. Accordingly, as it is not regrettable, everything goes to the conclusion that we were shot down. True, there is another version, it was not voiced, as in vain, this is a crew error when flying at night. In any case, it is necessary to wait for the conclusions of the commission, another thing, will these conclusions be brought to the public? Not sure.

[Placebo]

The blessed memory of the dead ... But, in the army the same situation as everywhere else in the country ...

[Hole puncher]

Even how many Ka-52 drops nobody uses a catapult. What is the use of her.

[lance]

statistics of the last month are depressing. miserable men, the kingdom of heaven. the commander-in-chief has a manomach’s hat, knows everything but is silent.

[Nix1986]

Condolences to the family. And again, it’s not clear, there was a catapult there (on ka 50 so for sure), why didn’t they use it ?!

[jrvp79]

Well, why is it asked our latest helicopters, which work in the war, are not equipped with a complex of protection against MANPADS? Where are these unmatched protection systems in the world? It somehow smells bad from such news. Someone from the military ranks forgot that there is a war in Syria? It seems that now attack aircraft are equipped with the appropriate systems? The truth is also after the death of the pilot and the loss of the car. Kozheedovich, what order will the masses give you for this, steeper than those that you already received for the collapse of the Army and the life of the defenders of the Motherland?

[Dr. Hub]

They stopped calling the dead. Dry lines about the number. Previously, everyone was named by name. What is interesting connected? The number of losses is growing, do not want to excite public opinion? When the An 26 fell, the information was generally scarce, everything fell, and 39 people died.

[Soho]

because it is a military board and the military flew. MoD, unlike the civilian sector, will almost never publish detailed data on disasters.

[Snakebyte]

Quote: Dr. Hub

They stopped calling the dead. Dry lines about the number.

KE - Gushchin Artyom,
LS - Miroshnichenko Roman

[cedar]

Fatherless or something not Russian?
Where did the middle name go?

[Snakebyte]

Not in the know, brought what was in the source. Source - Aviation Forum.

[Altona]

Regardless of the reasons for the failure of the equipment, my condolences to the dead crew, who died during the combat mission.

[Andrey VOV]

There is a war, a real war, an eternal memory for the Heroes of the pilots ..... And reading some comments, the feeling of abomination is ... You just turn on your brain a little bit before you write something

[Alexander War]

Condolences to family and friends. Good memory to the pilots.

[cat Baiyun.]

Strange as it may seem, the Su-30SM crashed, the crew didn’t catapult, the Ka-52 crashed (knocked out), the crew didn’t catapult strange, maybe there is a tacit sign “don't leave the car,” of course, but there’s a strangeness, the car crashes into the sea, the crew does not escape, the other car falls to the ground, the crew does not escape ...

[Monster_Fat]

Well, actually getting captured by the "thugs" (in the literal sense of the word) is just to prolong the torment and besides, what will be the hype in the foreign media when the militants show videos and photos with captured Russian pilots.

[cat Baiyun.]

But the hero pilot Roman Filipov on a downed Su-25, decided differently, he also managed to utilize the barmaley.
Do not forget, there is also MSS!

[Alexsin]

Can I eject from a helicopter? It seems like there is no catapult due to falling under the catapult screw? Not? You know?

[Monster_Fat]

It’s on this type of bailout that I possibly saw a video of how this happens (though on the ground, there are videos on youtube)) —the blades and side and top panels of the place where the pilots are sitting and then the pilots themselves are shot up and to the side at an angle with a delay of a fraction seconds. Only now .... usually a helicopter flies at low altitude and if something falls with a stone, it rolls over or falls sideways (if there is no auto-rotation) ..... maybe specialists know better ...

[cat Baiyun.]

The ejection seat K-36D allows you to eject from any position of the machine, google, it’s interesting, this is why mattresses were bought at hard times at the factory, two chairs were dismantled and tried to be adapted for your cars.

[Grits]

Just on the Ka-52 there

[staviator]

Quote: Alexsin

Can I eject from a helicopter? It seems like there is no catapult due to falling under the catapult screw? Not? You know?

Before writing nonsense, at least they would know that on the KA-50 and KA-52 there are catapults and the screws are being shot back. No? Do not know?

[Alexander War]

However, the Kommersant newspaper writes that the helicopter was shot down during patrols in the east of the country, where the troops of the so-called American coalition and the militants supported by it occupy their positions. The material stated that the attack on the Ka-52 was carried out using MANPADS. Here, while the words are not supported by anything, for example, let’s say the question is already in improving BKO and the question of why they were not catapulted, the only helicopter with such a system in the world

[Tank hard]

Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.

[Merold]

Land in peace pilots.

[Alexsin]

It is not clear why to keep silent if the Americans and the militants supported by them were involved in the death of the helicopter. The world should know who is fomenting war and wreaking havoc in Syria and the entire Middle East.

[Tank hard]

Everyone already knows who and what kindles. If shot down, they will find, and will be repaid according to their deserts.

[Grits]

And the deputy, that if you admit the fact of shelling their MANPADS by all sorts of Kurds and other pro-American bearded men, then you will have to strike at them aircraft. As it always was when they fought with ISIS. But here is not ISIS - here are American friends, and Americans protect their friends. Unlike us. And F-22 and F-15 will fly towards our planes and will shoot down ours. Therefore, our management so tightened the tail

[1 Navigator]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: 100502

Gut

with a small intestine do not become Presidents
with a small intestine on the couch stink

Well done, nobly licked

[daodejin]

Ka-52, Su-24M, Su-30SM should fly tomorrow at the parade. No one will let you make a fuss, even if shot down. Especially if it is a provocation.
Pilots bright memory

[Bok tubres]

No matter how our authorities try to disguise this word, but this - WAR.
И not fairwhen guys dying at the hands of the enemy(whatever, whoever said, and the enemy is USA) in the Syrian war, they will try to write down,as victims of a "faulty technique"!
Unfair, ugly,worthless! Whom is the Defense Ministry trying to trick?
Z.Y. And to the dead pilots,low bow and eternal memory! To the relatives of the dead,thanks for the heroes, and sincere condolences!

[Azazelo]

Well, what the hell. Ejectable chairs are. How is that?

[alexxxxz]

Maybe they just didn’t have time? (((

[dmmyak40]

Quote: Oleg147741

Quote: Titsen

Quote: Poll_0

Something often began to fall, in Syria, aircraft. There is something to ponder.

TU-154 - 92 people
Su-24 - Human 2
MiG-29 - cost
Su-33 - cost
An-26 - 39 people
Su-30SM - 2 people and a bird
Ka-52 - 2 people

Not often, but very often!

It seems that they completely relaxed ....

According to Tu 154, I still don’t believe (and I won’t believe) that these pilots were "lost" in space!

Faith is in no way an empirical concept. If the facts are for you about anything, trust your feelings. And read the investigation materials: everything is there. Sapienti sat.

[staviator]

It’s strange somehow, neither in the su-30 nor in the ka-52 the pilots ejected. It seems that the car is more expensive than life. I recall the words of the pilot convicted of a wrecked car, to whom the court ordered several million damages- "My fault is that I survived. "It's a shame when the pilots die from banal damage. Eternal memory.

[Cop]

I think that these are only flowers ...... The Russian VVB Khmeimim is located extremely unsuccessfully. A village adjoins it on one side, and a road passes nearby. The road is full of buildings. In general, there is where to hide. And I just see a bearded “babai” who drives up a toyota tundra, drives a car into the yard, takes his time out of the back of a truck carrying a case in which, for example, Truvelo CMS 20x110 mm, collects it, equips the store with special sniper cartridges or shells, installs it to the machine, takes a cup of coffee, pushes the chair to the machine ... and waits for the SU-30SM to take off. Well, or as an option, not a “bogeyman”, but a regular military man in a suit from Ghillie Desert, reconnaissance battalion of the 101st division of the US MTR.

[cache]

the Yankees used a new top-secret weapon that disables electronics.

[igorserg]

also thought about it, maybe some kind of

[Imobile]

With such losses of people, it’s not only that all the bosses in Syria need to be changed, but here it’s time to change the head of the Ministry of Defense At first I wanted to write if there was a version with a bird, but now there is no place for sarcasm

[Tank hard]

And put you up? Or maybe right away as president?

[smolenin.]

not everything is so apparently good in our army ....

[Andrey Konev]

Nobody wants a nuclear war, so any military casualties on either our or the American side will always be presented as a technical malfunction. Such news should be read between the lines. Nuclear superpowers can only fight diplomatically, economically, with propaganda, sabotage wars, or with the hands of small allies in their territories as avatars. One thing is upsetting, something from the enemy’s side is not heard of the fall of their aircraft and helicopters due to birds or technical malfunctions. Condolences to close and dear pilots.

[Ivan Tarava]

Forgive me, but there is no more condolences.

[Imobile]

Quote: Tank Hard

And put you up? Or maybe right away as president?

Looking at the actions of our Defense Ministry, it is possible for me, but I think there are people in the Army more worthy of me. The main thing is to break nepotism, then it will be better

[Sedoy]

and the catapult didn’t work?

[_Ugene_]

Yes, our helicopters do not shine with quality, the seventh has already fallen, and this is not the first time that pilots have died, where is the vaunted ejection? if they put those responsible for the marriage in prison for 20 years, you’ll see that things would change

[Suharik.inline]

Eternal memory to those who died......
I really don’t like it when they lie to me, Vladimir Vladimirovich said that we won and how can it be that the victory turns out to be somehow strange.
It's a shame for myself and people.

[Voyager]

VVP spoke about ISIS as such, but besides him, evil spirits are a dime a dozen

[ZVS]

Sorry guys. May their memory be blessed.
But there are questions for the Moscow Region:
- Where are the Vitebsk airborne systems?
If they were standing, then why didn’t they work?
- Why did the helicopter work alone and not in pairs?
- How did the group’s PSO system work?

[Avis24]

People, there is no absolute protection from anything. Yes, and there must be a pilot with brains, but believe me, there are dull ones in tactics and understanding of the principle of anti-aircraft maneuver. Sometimes you simply don’t have time to understand what happened and are late in making a decision. And in the end you just won't be lucky.

[Alexander S.]

Either our planes and helicopters are still of such poor quality...or they are shot down. There is no third.

[Lynx33]

The equipment began to fall apart without normal maintenance. I don’t believe in being hit by a bird or accidentally falling. This is either sabotage related to fuel, or the specifics of long-term operation in desert conditions, for example, sand dust suspended in the air getting into the engines. It’s time to rotate the equipment, and disassemble and defect the equipment that was there.

[dojjdik]

Well, the Syrians and I kicked them out of the Duma - will we soon go south to Israel - then the losses will increase significantly - or will we not go? in general it’s not afraid of the current - but if we don’t them, then they will us

[parkello]

I'm saddened by the news :(

[Simon]

Quote: Donskoy

Condolences to the family of the dead

Quote: 210ox

"Kommersant" is also a garbage can of news scooping up heating everywhere, including from obvious enemies. And becoming this very enemy with us

And in my opinion this is a very knowledgeable serious publication, not a couple of the vast majority of others.

Under this “informed, serious publication” you can always spread ordinary misinformation, as most American media do.

[Flyer_64]

Video from the Ka-52 crash site https://lenta.ru/news/2018/05/09/ka52_video/?utm_
referrer = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.com

[Archivist Vasya]

I can't even believe it! There hasn’t been a single case in Syria with Ka-52s in all this time, but here it is... HOW IS THIS?!!!!! I'm shocked , this is a mega-reliable helicopter, damn it, and the pilots, why didn’t they eject???? Sorry guys. It's a bad start to the day.