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Scrap the bottom of the barrel. Ukraine decided to reanimate the old Soviet air defense system

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Ukraine is going to return six types of Soviet / Russian anti-aircraft missile systems and systems from storage: these are three short-range air defense systems (self-propelled "Cube" (2К12) and "Tor" (9К330) and so far transported C-125), two medium-range ( C-300PT, transportable, close relative of the “full-time” self-propelled C-300PS, and a mobile universal anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense system, designed to cover the maneuverable combat operations of its own forces C-300B1 (SA-12 Gladiator) and, finally, “long-range”. -200B.


Scrap the bottom of the barrel. Ukraine decided to reanimate the old Soviet air defense system


Since there is no “independent” technical documentation for creating an air defense system, Ukraine will disassemble the old Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems in order to understand how they were going and what they are composed, military expert Sergey Zgurets writes in his blog.

It is not excluded that Yuzhnoye Design Bureau will undertake the resuscitation of the Dvukhsotki plant and make a rocket for this system solid-fuel. But this is unlikely to happen before the end of the year ... Given the amount of work required, technological constraints and hard lines are a difficult task. For some SA-Ns there is no repair documentation. Therefore, the actual need to conduct a reverse engineering of blocks and nodes, repair or restore them, and ensure the use of complexes for the intended purpose
- wrote an expert.

He also pointed out that the responsibility for the entire “resuscitation package” to extend the life of the missiles to the anti-aircraft missile system, which are currently in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as to those that will be put into operation in the near or medium term, with the exception of the “two hundred” entrusted to the state Kiev design bureau "Luch" in cooperation with the Kiev enterprise, "Vizar", also part of the Ukroboronprom group of companies.
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  1. RASKAT
    RASKAT 7 May 2018 17: 31
    +10
    If my memory serves me, then in Ukraine there is not a single enterprise producing a missile for the above air defense systems. So you can return to service a lot of things, where will you take rockets for them?
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 May 2018 17: 43
      +6
      Quote: RASKAT
      If my memory serves me, then in Ukraine there is not a single enterprise producing a missile for the above air defense systems.

      Yes, it’s difficult for them. apparently they will somehow restore the old ones. In general, they have experience in modernizing the Buk air defense system and successfully
      1. RASKAT
        RASKAT 7 May 2018 18: 35
        +3
        Yes, it’s difficult for them. apparently they will somehow restore the old ones. In general, they have experience in modernizing the Buk air defense system and successfully
        Well, if the iron in the rocket can also be restored and modernized, then such a fortel will not work with Solid Rocket Fuel, it has its own shelf life, it constantly undergoes chemical processes, it ages and changes its properties. Who will supply it to them, and will it be delivered separately from the missiles?
        It seems to me all this is an undertaking of Ukraine, with old air defense systems, the next adventure and nothing good it will end.
        1. venik
          venik 7 May 2018 19: 23
          +8
          Quote: RASKAT
          Well, if the iron in the rocket can also be restored and modernized, then such a fortel will not work with Solid Rocket Fuel, it has its own shelf life, it constantly undergoes chemical processes, it ages and changes its properties. Who will supply it to them, and will it be delivered separately from the missiles?

          ====
          Well, actually in Ukraine there is such a "funny" enterprise - Pavlogradsky Chemical Plant. On it, by the way, for the first time in the USSR, they started mass production of fuel "gunpowders" (in the sense of mixtures) ......
          But there is a couple of "BUT" .....
          Firstly: as far as I know, the plant has long been "lying on its side" and what exactly is it capable of producing today (and can it even?) - absolutely incomprehensible !!!
          Secondly this plant never did not produce the entire range of fuel mixtures (mainly for tactical and ballistic missiles, and not for air defense systems);
          Thirdly, he received part (and it seems to be significant!) Of raw materials and chemicals from Russia ..... So, that ......
          Given all of the above, it is easy to assume that the production of rocket fuel (for air defense systems) in Ukraine today is a MORE question than problematic!!!! hi
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 7 May 2018 21: 00
            +2
            Quote: venik
            Firstly: as far as I know, the plant has long been "lying on its side" and what exactly is it capable of producing today (and can it even be done?) - it is absolutely incomprehensible !!!

            The plant was far from dead, it simply produced conversion products. Now, thanks to the war, the plant returned to the release of gunpowder. Shostka also came to life on military orders.
            1. Antares
              Antares 8 May 2018 09: 56
              0
              Quote: Normal ok
              The plant was far from dead, it simply produced conversion products. Now, thanks to the war, the plant returned to the release of gunpowder.

              They did not stop production, as usual before the war the army did not order, but there were export supplies. And now there are. The plant just did not do (for example, the disposal of mines)
              http://ric-phz.com.ua/
              judging by the information, in 20 countries.
              one and a half thousand people work, a third are older than 50 years.
              They can produce other fuel from the fuel of ballistic missiles.
        2. svp67
          svp67 7 May 2018 20: 27
          +2
          Quote: RASKAT
          then with a Solid Rocket Fuel such a fortress will not pass, it has its own shelf life, it constantly undergoes chemical processes, it ages and changes its properties. Who will supply it to them, and will it be delivered separately from the missiles?

          They have for this the Pavlograd factory.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 7 May 2018 17: 47
      +8
      There are specialists there. There is production. Like missiles and radars. I can not say about the control system.
      Quote: RASKAT
      If my memory serves me, then in Ukraine there is not a single enterprise producing a missile for the above air defense systems. So you can return to service a lot of things, where will you take rockets for them?
      1. Antares
        Antares 8 May 2018 09: 58
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        I can not say about control systems.

        PJSC "HARTRON" Kharkov
    3. venik
      venik 7 May 2018 18: 45
      +8
      Quote: RASKAT
      So you can return to service a lot of things, where will you take rockets for them?

      =========
      How is it where? In the warehouses ..... There are a lot of things left (they are, (warehouses in the sense) are still not burned out ....). Are the "retention periods" out? Well so and what? They will collect a "commission" ... They will open the refrigerator, "pour it out", drink it - and the act of "extending the shelf life" by 25, 50 or "100 years" will be "tapped" !! (How much "will be accepted" - so much and "signed" .........). Well they (rockets) - eat (and most importantly - "DRINK") - do not prosyut! Well, still a little lie ...!
      And most importantly - EVERYTHING IN BUSINESS: the "commission" - "works", the missiles - LIE .... Business then ....... fellow
    4. URAL72
      URAL72 7 May 2018 19: 06
      +11
      Unfortunately, there will not be many problems with missiles; in Kiev, the Artyom plant continues to produce modifications of R-27 missiles, the Arsenal plant produces GOS and much more. R-73, R-77 were also assembled at Artyom, Yuzhmash is also capable of much. There is a new missile for the air defense system Stiletto. Zaporozhye has high competencies in the field of radar (Spark), Lviv produced television GOS (X-29). The list is far from complete. I hope they don’t have enough money or time. The Internet provides great opportunities, recruit Ukrainian specialists, these are basically not young Russian-speaking uncles, Russia is closer to them than Bender, go for it!
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 7 May 2018 19: 25
        +1
        Quote: URAL72
        The list is far from complete.

        But time has passed quite a lot, that's why Ukrainian experts are
        Quote: URAL72
        mostly not young russian speaking uncles
        and progress, however, does not stand still.
        Of course, you can create something, but whether there will be developments in banderlogy at the modern level or, at least, improve the old Soviet ones, is a question.
        Yes, and "Russian-speaking uncles, parsing of course need to be invited to reside, help settle down. You look who and it is great to be useful to Russia.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 7 May 2018 19: 29
        0
        Quote: URAL72
        Unfortunately, there will not be many problems with missiles; in Kiev, the Artyom plant continues to produce modifications of R-27 missiles, the Arsenal plant produces GOS and much more. R-73, R-77 were also assembled at Artyom, Yuzhmash is also capable of much. There is a new missile for the air defense system Stiletto. Zaporozhye has high competencies in the field of radar (Spark), Lviv produced television GOS (X-29). The list is far from complete. I hope they don’t have enough money or time. The Internet provides great opportunities, recruit Ukrainian specialists, these are basically not young Russian-speaking uncles, Russia is closer to them than Bender, go for it!

        Put all this in one complex and what will it be?
        Even if there are no elementary drawings:
        Since there is no “independent” technical documentation for creating an air defense system, Ukraine will disassemble the old Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems in order to understand how they were going and what they are composed, military expert Sergey Zgurets writes in his blog.

        I'm not saying that there are no technological maps and technologies are lost.
        In fact, this is a task for years or decades. I’m not saying that you need to have stands for tuning, testing the GSN. And Ukraine is now buying a machine in Turkey for the production of missile bodies, and there’s no need to talk about more technically difficult moments
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 7 May 2018 19: 43
          +2
          If business is dealt with at the enterprises of Mr. President, business will go !!! Missiles will be bought, but for the rest ???
        2. Normal ok
          Normal ok 7 May 2018 20: 53
          +3
          Quote: APASUS
          Ukraine is now purchasing a machine in Turkey for the production of missile bodies, but we should not talk about more technically difficult moments

          Type Russia does not buy machines abroad. Surround yourself.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 7 May 2018 21: 13
            0
            Quote: Normal ok
            Type Russia does not buy machines abroad. Surround yourself.

            Type there is no technology, there is no equipment, there is no material, there is no personnel they simply are NOT!
            And can you solve this by purchasing a machine? And this is only a small part.
            And with the machines it’s not so simple as it seems, I will give you the name of the machine, can you buy?
      3. misti1973
        misti1973 8 May 2018 01: 17
        0
        Not Bender, but Bandera! And only dumb bullish people are interested in it. So there are enough dumbasses here. Nobody will go here to work! And we already have problems with the turbines for the new corvettes that were supplied from there.
  2. dr.star75
    dr.star75 7 May 2018 17: 32
    +13
    What is the range of c200? I advise all air carriers to fly around the borders of Ukraine at least at this distance
    1. den3080
      den3080 7 May 2018 18: 44
      +2
      I agree. This is much worse than banderlogs with grenades and machine guns running across the earth. Kaklyatsky air defense demonstrated their "skill" more than once.
  3. 210ox
    210ox 7 May 2018 17: 32
    +5
    We’ll scrape along the barn, we’ll mark it on the barn ...
  4. Wolka
    Wolka 7 May 2018 17: 36
    +1
    God forbid that none of this comes out ...
    1. venik
      venik 7 May 2018 18: 50
      +2
      Quote: Volka
      God forbid that none of this comes out ...

      ==========
      Come out! Coming out !! laughing As usual - “something” boo-o-lbshoe, “unkind” and terribly smelly!!!! (In short - HOW ALWAYS !!)
  5. Patriot5000
    Patriot5000 7 May 2018 17: 37
    +3
    well, s-125 and invisibility shot down
    in skilled hands and an ax of woodreuvaflya
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 7 May 2018 17: 44
      +10
      Yeah! Hit the F35 with a shovel! It’s not so much the merit of c125, but the slovenliness of the pilots helped. We flew at the same time, along the same route. Here they are attached
      1. venik
        venik 7 May 2018 19: 03
        +6
        Quote: dr.star75
        There not so much merit s125, how much sloppiness of the pilots helped. We flew at the same time, along the same route. Here they are attached

        =========
        It actually worked there cowardice и gouging amerskogo pilot - it seemed to him that he was flying "straight up the hill" - well, this "clown" and made a "candle up", substituting the "belly" directly under the radar radiation !!! And they were quite competent literate Serbian air defense officers (they studied in the Union!), They "spotted" him and didn’t lose his "contact"! And when he went into the "zone of destruction" and "wailed" with 2 missiles ("just like a fireman") .... The second missile, in general, was not needed - it was already the first "tired" ..... I had to " poor "eject .......
    2. bk316
      bk316 7 May 2018 17: 47
      +5
      in skilled hands and an ax of woodreuvaflya

      reverse engineer blocks and assemblies

      That is, they will find the air defense personnel of the personnel working on the S-125 and reverse engineer them (probably at the pathologist) belay
    3. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 7 May 2018 22: 06
      0
      Cube shot down, not C-125
    4. misti1973
      misti1973 8 May 2018 01: 39
      0
      It's not in the hands, but in the quality of these "invisibles"!
  6. BAI
    BAI 7 May 2018 17: 42
    +3
    I think civilian aircraft should stay away from Ukraine.
  7. Wolverine
    Wolverine 7 May 2018 17: 47
    +1
    But what about the cries of giving up all of Russia? lol
    1. venik
      venik 7 May 2018 19: 08
      0
      Quote: Wolverine
      But what about the cries of giving up all of Russia? lol

      =======
      And about the rejection of ALL "soviet" ??? ......
  8. Tank hard
    Tank hard 7 May 2018 17: 47
    +2
    (Since the “independent” one does not have technical documentation for the creation of an air defense system, Ukraine will dismantle the old Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems to understand how they were assembled and what they consist of)
    Oh how! The "ascetics" of the "ancient Ukrainian" land have not yet transferred. Glory to the heroes!:)
    1. nikoliski
      nikoliski 7 May 2018 18: 48
      +1
      If they made a rocket for the MLRS SMERCH, then they will make a solid-fuel copy of the first S-300 missiles (with a range of 70 km), the difficulty is not in the rocket itself, but in how to control it — no modern design bureau of Ukraine can make a modern GOS, you can try the thermal seeker, then the SAM range will be similar to similar Israeli complexes (no more than 30 km), I would advise Ukraine to do normal things better-sell the territory of the DPR and LPR, which are still legally theirs, to Russia, because they will never be able to them anyway to return, and they would have asked for 50 billion dollars, I think ours, after persuading and bidding, would have knocked down the price and agreed (just comrade Poroshenko from the Washington regional committee still did not receive the Central Committee, but could finally go on to peaceful life and rebuild the country ...)
      1. helmi8
        helmi8 7 May 2018 22: 14
        +3
        Quote: nikoliski
        ) I would advise Ukraine to do normal things better-sell the territory of the DPR and LPR, which are still legally theirs, to Russia, because they still can’t ever return them, and they would request 50 billion dollars, I think ours were brought down after persuasion and bidding price would agree

        Why don’t you immediately advise you to pay for the Crimea, to buy the Kerch Strait? What is really small things ...
        1. nikoliski
          nikoliski 7 May 2018 22: 38
          -1
          The peninsula is already part of the Russian Federation, but the DPR with the LPR in limbo (unlike the Crimea, which had autonomy as part of Ukraine, you simply can’t attach them anymore) and we have already lost much more than the required 50 billion dollars from sanctions (although if our they don’t want to buy, Ukrainians sell Japan, they don’t have enough of their land, and the inhabitants of Donbass, despite their political views, would gladly take such a turn, finally endless bombing would end and work and confidence in tomorrow would appear)
      2. misti1973
        misti1973 8 May 2018 01: 43
        0
        And they will customize them from Sidewinder. The Javelins have already fitted.
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 7 May 2018 17: 49
    +7
    The plans, of course, are Napoleonic))) Although it would be interesting to look at the solid-fuel C-200. But it will not happen. This whole idea will end, as always, zilch. hi
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 8 May 2018 01: 13
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      It would be interesting to look at the solid fuel C-200.

      As far as I know, in the USSR (at the end of its "term" ...) a solid fuel missile system for the S-200 air defense system was created .......
  10. fa2998
    fa2998 7 May 2018 17: 57
    +2
    Quote: Volka
    God forbid that none of this comes out ...

    And it looks like it will be! Okay, ground "iron" can be sorted out, greased, painted, BUT WHERE TO TAKE "FRESH" ROCKETS? I think that all expired are stored in warehouses, is it really going to be bought in Russia? laughing hi
  11. taiga2018
    taiga2018 7 May 2018 18: 05
    +2
    it would be better if the country was reanimated ...
    1. venik
      venik 7 May 2018 19: 07
      +1
      Quote: taiga2018
      it would be better if the country was reanimated ...

      ======
      Oh, latemy friend! Late! Here it’s not necessary for “resuscitation” .......
  12. evil partisan
    evil partisan 7 May 2018 18: 09
    +2
    \\ Or maybe this ... Vparit Eurosummers for normal money some of our arsenal of anti-aircraft defense, taken out of service, previously upgrading this something repeat . Well, to start - kaaaaa ... lo! belay And they will cut the loot there and we do not need to dispose ... smile
  13. Simon
    Simon 7 May 2018 18: 13
    +4
    Ukraine will dismantle the old Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems to understand how they were going --- Why didn’t I understand that they will climb and study obsolete anti-aircraft missile systems through landfills? What, before lived our "Russian brother"! They can’t come up with their own, they climbed in the last century. fool laughing
  14. Simon
    Simon 7 May 2018 18: 17
    +2
    Quote: Tank Hard
    (Since the “independent” one does not have technical documentation for the creation of an air defense system, Ukraine will dismantle the old Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems to understand how they were assembled and what they consist of)
    Oh how! The "ascetics" of the "ancient Ukrainian" land have not yet transferred. Glory to the heroes!:)

    Not ... e, these "heroes" are a shame! No.
  15. Lesorub
    Lesorub 7 May 2018 18: 35
    +3
    Scrap the bottom of the barrel. Ukraine decided to reanimate the old Soviet air defense system

    Yuzhmash has pretty good potential for upgrading missiles, it’s a matter of financing, and there may be problems with these! )
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 7 May 2018 18: 42
      +1
      Yuzhmash’s problems with personnel and funding will not do much, people are needed, and you need to prepare them for 15 years (10 at school and 5 at the institute).
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 7 May 2018 19: 03
        +4
        At Yuzhmash, they are ready to take on any order (after stopping all space "programs"), there are problems with personnel, but not so much)))) that would wait 15 years.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 8 May 2018 00: 12
          0
          Naturally, they will take up anything, even for the manufacture of artillery barrels, only the result is predictable.
  16. nikoliski
    nikoliski 7 May 2018 18: 41
    +2
    It is not a problem to make a solid-fuel unguided missile, only where do they think they will take a modern GOS for it? those technologies that are available to Ukraine will not be allowed to make an active radar seeker for a missile that will be able to hit a target with a small EPR (like Su-57), and if they think they can launch missiles only with the help of ground-based radars, just by controlling the missile the entire section, then any plane EW (yes, the same Su-34 with Khibiny) will cause such interference that their radar stations will see anything but our aircraft, so I think for today's Ukraine to make full-fledged air defense systems is like making them say to the Angolans (such things in a year- two are not done, there is a lag of 30 years, under the current realities, they will not block it (rather, we’ll learn how to make Mercedes-today Putin’s already “run in” one)
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 8 May 2018 01: 22
      +3
      Quote: nikoliski
      where are they thinking of taking the modern GOS for her? those technologies that are available to Ukraine will not be allowed to make an active radar seeker for a missile that will be able to hit a target with a small EPR

      Well ... maybe the descendants of ancient ukrov will be satisfied with the old PAR-GOS? By the way, one of the ways to ensure noise immunity of G-missiles of C-200 missiles was the high radiation power of the "backlight" radar.
    2. misti1973
      misti1973 8 May 2018 01: 54
      0
      Well, it depends on the power of the radar. And after all, after the Aegis vs Khibiny, some people think that this complex makes the aircraft invulnerable. And it does not protect it from missiles from the IKGS. What prevents it from putting the IKGSN on the rocket?
      1. nikoliski
        nikoliski 8 May 2018 11: 48
        -1
        How many kilometers is needed to the target for the infrared seeker to "firmly" capture it? talked with the Air Force lieutenant colonel on this topic, he says that even those air-to-air missiles that have a range of up to 80 km will actually capture the target at a distance several times smaller (then the captured object will simply “catch up”) so that if Ukrainians slap a passive infrared seeker (and instead of a radar imager) then at oncoming courses no more than 20km the interception range will be, then come from the sun, actively rash the heat traps and calmly shoot their battery - it will not get there.
  17. andrewkor
    andrewkor 7 May 2018 18: 59
    +1
    So they would have asked the hegemon of the Patriots for free, maybe a ride!
  18. Berkut24
    Berkut24 7 May 2018 20: 11
    +2
    Since the “independent” one does not have technical documentation for creating an air defense system, Ukraine will disassemble the old Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems in order to understand how they were assembled and what they consist of

    Reverse engineering following the example of the Chinese?
    I give a hint to the Sumerians from a farm near Dikanka. There are radio components, connectors, kungs on wheels, cables and antennas. The only trouble is that all this has not been done by anyone for a long time. Especially radiolamps, Leiden banks, coils and hand-wound resistors. For the resuscitation of all this stuff, not only the construction of radio plants, but also an unmeasured amount of precious metals will have to. You can wish idiots only fortuitous fortune, for they cannot shine anything else in life.
  19. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 7 May 2018 20: 38
    0
    But these are Soviet developments and you can forget nothing.
  20. Normal ok
    Normal ok 7 May 2018 20: 50
    +1
    Since there is no “independent” technical documentation for creating an air defense system, Ukraine will disassemble the old Soviet anti-aircraft missile systems in order to understand how they were going and what they are composed, military expert Sergey Zgurets writes in his blog.

    Well, why write such nonsense. In Ukraine, there remained a large number of defense industry enterprises, including on the anti-aircraft missile topic. I know for sure that the Ukrainians modernized Soviet-made air defense systems for Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Angola, Uganda, Georgia - this is just what I remember from the publications.
  21. Slovak
    Slovak 7 May 2018 20: 55
    +1
    The independent one has a twin-cheap Old Man Lukashenko. Does it really help? Even for the money? I do not believe...
  22. Normal ok
    Normal ok 7 May 2018 21: 40
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    Type there is no technology, there is no equipment, there is no material, there is no personnel they simply are NOT!

    The modernization technologies of Soviet air defense systems have been worked out in Ukraine by numerous deliveries abroad. Equipment - basically there is. There are materials. The staff is there too. No, some important technologies. So Old Man will help.
  23. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 8 May 2018 01: 34
    +2
    Upgraded, repaired systems and missiles must be tested (verified) through launches ... And we remember how they “checked” the C-200 in 2001, ....
  24. Antares
    Antares 8 May 2018 10: 27
    0
    Well, with Buk it turned out
    Before the war, spare parts and components for the repair of complexes were purchased in Russia. Over the past few years, domestic enterprises have been able to practically from scratch set up production of the most severely deficient components and restore almost a quarter of the Buk-M1 air defense system. These components are purely Ukrainian latest digital developments. Ukrainian products, although they do not improve the performance characteristics, however, they add air defense systems reliability and ease of operation.
    Factory in the Grocery
    You can also recall the Ethiopian contract
    Radionics company - made an active homing head, as well as a port for radio correction.
    Sergey’s blog says that after his return, he will increase by a third the possibility of air defense.
    Today, two types of Soviet-developed anti-aircraft missile systems and complexes are holding a protective shield over Ukraine. These are medium-range self-propelled air defense systems S-300PS (SA-10B Grumble) and Buk-M1 (SA-11 Gadfly). “Three Hundred” and “Buk” can destroy enemy targets at maximum ranges of 75 km and 32 km, and altitudes up to 27 km and 22 km, respectively. The number of divisions of these air defense systems is about fifty.

    Two hundred want to reanimate because of range.
    Interesting moments of the message.
    As you know, during the Soviet Union, the Vizar company assembled missiles for the S-300 air defense system. At Vizar, there is a number of necessary instrumentation for checking rocket parameters.
    Projects are on complexes of short, medium and long range. And, interestingly, using the existing industrial and technological backlog. According to the developers with whom I spoke, the test result can be reached within two years. And with a very sane financing. The bet is made as much as possible on their capabilities. But help or partnerships from Western companies will be necessary to acquire a modern elemental base with the required characteristics. So far with this "breakdowns." But this is another, longer story, the details of which are next time. In the meantime, task number one is formulated simply. Shoot should be all that is

    let's see how it comes out. From my opinion, everything, of course, rests on money and opportunities / time.
    The beam is littered with anti-tank / Older works. But Dnipropetrovsk will gladly accept the projects and Pavlograd residents too.
    Lviv, Grocery, Kharkov, Zaporozhye will also help.
  25. gukoyan
    gukoyan 8 May 2018 10: 48
    0
    They glue, tint and say that they invented Nanotechnology, and these systems have no analogues in the world ... A familiar scenario.
  26. NF68
    NF68 8 May 2018 15: 10
    0
    Let them make powerful slingshots from the old ropes requisitioned from the Maidan horses, they can also be used as air defense equipment.